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Fox News contributor quits, slams network as 'propaganda machine' for Trump
By Jacqueline Thomsen and Joe Concha - 03/20/18 04:39 PM EDT
A Fox News contributor has quit the network, blasting the channel as a “propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration†in an email announcing his departure.
Retired Lt. Col. Ralph Peters announced that he was quitting Fox News as a strategic analyst on Tuesday in a fiery email to colleagues, BuzzFeed News reported.
"Over my decade with Fox, I long was proud of the association. Now I am ashamed," Peters wrote.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/media/379385-fox-news-contributor-quits-slams-network-as-propaganda-machine-for-trump (http://thehill.com/homenews/media/379385-fox-news-contributor-quits-slams-network-as-propaganda-machine-for-trump)
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Wow! I always liked Peters. Wonder what got him all agitated?
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After decades of watching FOX (and enjoying Peters), I can no longer watch it.
For the same reason that Peters is quitting.
It's a Trump propaganda machine, and cannot be trusted.
(I almost gagged watching Laura whatserface's worship service when I watched it a few weeks ago. Unfortunately, I was at someone else's house and couldn't turn the TV off).
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Wow! I always liked Peters. Wonder what got him all agitated?
Ralph Peters: I Have to Vote for ‘Despicable,’ ‘Corrupt’ Clinton Over Putin-Loving Trump: http://freebeacon.com/politics/ralph-peters-vote-despicable-corrupt-clinton-trump/ (http://freebeacon.com/politics/ralph-peters-vote-despicable-corrupt-clinton-trump/)
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Ralph Peters: I Have to Vote for ‘Despicable,’ ‘Corrupt’ Clinton Over Putin-Loving Trump: http://freebeacon.com/politics/ralph-peters-vote-despicable-corrupt-clinton-trump/ (http://freebeacon.com/politics/ralph-peters-vote-despicable-corrupt-clinton-trump/)
"November 7, 2016 11:55 am
Retired Lt. Col. Ralph Peters said Monday he still plans to vote for Hillary Clinton despite calling her "greedy," "corrupt," "awful," and "despicable" because Donald Trump is more unacceptable.
Peters, who has previously stated he would support Clinton in spite of her flaws, was asked by Fox Business host Stuart Varney if he stood by that choice. Peters had just finished railing against her handling of classified information.
"Stuart, I think Hillary Clinton is despicable," he said. "She has committed criminal acts. She's greedy, she's corrupt, and yes, I'm going to vote for her. I'm going to vote for Republicans down the ballot, but I'm voting for Hillary Clinton because it's a vote against Donald Trump. I don't want Moscow's man in the White House."
Peters, acknowledging his conservative-leaning audience, said he would be more popular if he chose to vote for Trump, but he said the Republican nominee is too cozy with Russian President Vladimir Putin and has made "crazy" remarks on foreign policy and trade."
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"November 7, 2016 11:55 am
Retired Lt. Col. Ralph Peters said Monday he still plans to vote for Hillary Clinton despite calling her "greedy," "corrupt," "awful," and "despicable" because Donald Trump is more unacceptable.
Peters, who has previously stated he would support Clinton in spite of her flaws, was asked by Fox Business host Stuart Varney if he stood by that choice. Peters had just finished railing against her handling of classified information.
"Stuart, I think Hillary Clinton is despicable," he said. "She has committed criminal acts. She's greedy, she's corrupt, and yes, I'm going to vote for her. I'm going to vote for Republicans down the ballot, but I'm voting for Hillary Clinton because it's a vote against Donald Trump. I don't want Moscow's man in the White House."
Peters, acknowledging his conservative-leaning audience, said he would be more popular if he chose to vote for Trump, but he said the Republican nominee is too cozy with Russian President Vladimir Putin and has made "crazy" remarks on foreign policy and trade."
Thanks for posting this @truth_seeker
A NT leaves Fox. This pleases me. ^-^
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Isn't Peters a Hitlary supporter? He is also a cracked pot loser with conspiracy theories out the ass.
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Thanks for posting this @truth_seeker
A NT leaves Fox. This pleases me. ^-^
LTC Ralph Peters Ret., sounds incompetent, bad judgement and Fox benefits from him leaving.
Ret. LTCs willing to babble on TV, are a dime a dozen.
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Isn't Peters a Hitlary supporter? He is also a cracked pot loser with conspiracy theories out the ass.
You might be thinking of Lt. General Thomas McInerney on the theories. He swore MH370 was hijacked to Pakistan.
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Peters is right about Fox. But now he is the enemy and will be accused of everything from causing climate change to being the zodiac killer.
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Peters is right about Fox. But now he is the enemy and will be accused of everything from causing climate change to being the zodiac killer.
An enemy of what/who? @Applewood
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Peters is right about Fox. But now he is the enemy and will be accused of everything from causing climate change to being the zodiac killer.
LOL. Could be that no one gives a shit about him and his quitting won't even be noticed.
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LOL. Could be that no one gives a shit about him and his quitting won't even be noticed.
@FrankCannon
Well,I sure won't miss him. I never watch any of these network spin shows.
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He’s not wrong.
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Thanks for posting this @truth_seeker
A NT leaves Fox. This pleases me. ^-^
@Right_in_Virginia
Yep, can’t have any dissenting voices on Fox. You just illustrated Peters’ point.
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Yep, can’t have any dissenting voices on Fox. You just illustrated Peters’ point.
As best I can tell, Fox is the ONLY network with dissenting voices. I don't know of a conservative on any other network.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Yep, can’t have any dissenting voices on Fox. You just illustrated Peters’ point.
I suspect your St. Peter will show up on MSNBC soon enough --- and in a higher tax bracket.
Keep the faith, dear. Keep the faith.
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Ralph Peters: I Have to Vote for ‘Despicable,’ ‘Corrupt’ Clinton Over Putin-Loving Trump: http://freebeacon.com/politics/ralph-peters-vote-despicable-corrupt-clinton-trump/ (http://freebeacon.com/politics/ralph-peters-vote-despicable-corrupt-clinton-trump/)
And..... he just outted himself as the moronic leftist (willing to vote for crooked Hillary) that he truly is. Good riddance, I say.
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I suspect your St. Peter will show up on MSNBC soon enough --- and in a higher tax bracket.
Keep the faith, dear. Keep the faith.
He might be more CNN's flavor. He could join Jack Kingston, Rick Santorum, and Andre Bauer. I know Jeffrey Lord was fired, and there's always room for more.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Yep, can’t have any dissenting voices on Fox. You just illustrated Peters’ point.
What are you talking about? Do you ever even watch Fox? They have dissenting voices all the time. Can't stand that idiot Juan Williams, to name just one. Tamara Holder is another annoying one. And a few past and present ones....
Alan Colmes
Susan Estrich
Bob Beckel
Mara Laiason
Mort Kondrache
Kirsten Powers
Sally Kohn
James Carville
Kirsten Powers
Arthel Neville
I sure as hell don't know of any leftist lamestream media outlet that allows that many "dissenting voices" from the right on their shows. Do you?
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Wow! I always liked Peters. Wonder what got him all agitated?
I used to like him but lately he has said some things that made me change my mind. Can't think of specifics off the top of my head, but I started to turn the channel when he was on.
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What are you talking about? Do you ever even watch Fox? They have dissenting voices all the time. Can't stand that idiot Juan Williams, to name just one. Tamara Holder is another annoying one. And a few past and present ones....
Alan Colmes
Susan Estrich
Bob Beckel
Mara Laiason
Mort Kondrache
Kirsten Powers
Sally Kohn
James Carville
Kirsten Powers
Arthel Neville
I sure as hell don't know of any leftist lamestream media outlet that allows that many "dissenting voices" from the right on their shows. Do you?
You forgot Maria Harf formerly of the State Department, famous for saying the poor fellas in ISIS only need jobs, and Juan Williams, Eboni K. Williams, Geraldo Rivera, Adam Lashinsky, Moe Eliason(sp?) not to mention the parade of leftists Tucker Carlson debates each night.
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LTC Ralph Peters Ret., sounds incompetent, bad judgement and Fox benefits from him leaving.
Ret. LTCs willing to babble on TV, are a dime a dozen.
He only made to Major as a career officer. (IIRC, You get to retire one grade higher) Not very talented, likely competent. I won't miss him.
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You forgot Maria Harf formerly of the State Department, famous for saying the poor fellas in ISIS only need jobs, and Juan Williams, Eboni K. Williams, Geraldo Rivera, Adam Lashinsky, Moe Eliason(sp?) not to mention the parade of leftists Tucker Carlson debates each night.
Yeah, well... I'm still working on my first cup of java this am, so I'm not fully functional 'yet'...lol.
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Don't forget Sheppie Smith
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You forgot Maria Harf formerly of the State Department, famous for saying the poor fellas in ISIS only need jobs, and Juan Williams, Eboni K. Williams, Geraldo Rivera, Adam Lashinsky, Moe Eliason(sp?) not to mention the parade of leftists Tucker Carlson debates each night.
I was just about to add these names to the list... especially Juan Williams.
I'd also add Chris Wallace.
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I agree with him on one point: FNC is not worth watching, while FBN is about as good as it gets.
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After decades of watching FOX (and enjoying Peters), I can no longer watch it.
For the same reason that Peters is quitting.
It's a Trump propaganda machine, and cannot be trusted.
(I almost gagged watching Laura whatserface's worship service when I watched it a few weeks ago. Unfortunately, I was at someone else's house and couldn't turn the TV off).
@musiclady
Yeah,it was MUCH better when it blindly supported the Bush Crime Family,McLunatic,and Romney,huh?
The only difference between devout Republicans and devout Dims are the names of the criminals you worship and support.
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He might be more CNN's flavor. He could join Jack Kingston, Rick Santorum, and Andre Bauer. I know Jeffrey Lord was fired, and there's always room for more.
@LauraTXNM
Is there really any practical difference? If ANY network were to report the actual truth with no spin it would be by accident,and chances are that producer would be fired.
They ALL lie,and they lie because that is how they get subscribers and how they sell their products to a targeted audience of braindead partisan loons.
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@LauraTXNM
Is there really any practical difference? If ANY network were to report the actual truth with no spin it would be by accident,and chances are that producer would be fired.
They ALL lie,and they lie because that is how they get subscribers and how they sell their products to a targeted audience of braindead partisan loons.
I think you're pretty much right on. The most honest reporters, IMHO, are those who recognize they have a bias and actively try to present the "other side".
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I recently lost a couple of friends when they both mentioned that even though they have a sat dish their favorite tv show is "hannity and friends",and that "I GOT to have me some Hannity every night. If my sat dish is down,I will go somewhere else to watch it!" I started laughing and said "Dayum! And here I was thinking MY life is boring!" They were insulted beyond belief. They just KNEW I would be a Fox News groupie,too.
I can't help it. They literally have hundreds of movies and cable tv shows to watch,yet they had rather watch that gas bag spin politics every night. They could be watching Game of Thrones,Breaking Bad,The Walking Dead,Homeland,Shameless,The Blacklist,Vikings,Deadwood,etc,etc,etc,but they would rather use up a couple of hours of their life watching that nonsense.
To make it worse they still make snide remarks about Fox News every time I see them,and I just laugh. Which seems to make it worse.
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What are you talking about? Do you ever even watch Fox? They have dissenting voices all the time. Can't stand that idiot Juan Williams, to name just one. Tamara Holder is another annoying one. And a few past and present ones....
Alan Colmes
Susan Estrich
Bob Beckel
Mara Laiason
Mort Kondrache
Kirsten Powers
Sally Kohn
James Carville
Kirsten Powers
Arthel Neville
I sure as hell don't know of any leftist lamestream media outlet that allows that many "dissenting voices" from the right on their shows. Do you?
@XenaLee
Why don't you calm down. My post referred to @Right_in_Virginia's wishes.
God no, I don't watch Fox. If I did, would I agree with Peters?
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LTC Ralph Peters Ret., sounds incompetent, bad judgement and Fox benefits from him leaving.
Ret. LTCs willing to babble on TV, are a dime a dozen.
Peters was MI (Military Intelligence)...they're all a bit wacko.
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Peters was MI (Military Intelligence)...they're all a bit wacko.
My non-college grad uncle retired at LTC with 27 yrs. spanning WWII, Korea and Vietnam.
Great guy, but yes some whackiness for sure.
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@XenaLee
Why don't you calm down. My post referred to @Right_in_Virginia's wishes.
God no, I don't watch Fox. If I did, would I agree with Peters?
What makes you think I'm not calm? Its just that.... when I see someone make an outright BS comment like that....
I have to chime in. :laugh:
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What makes you think I'm not calm? Its just that.... when I see someone make an outright BS comment like that....
I have to chime in. :laugh:
@XenaLee
Wasn’t BS. Most of the people on your list aren’t current. Fox has become a joke. Next time Trump gets in hot water for something, you can depend on Hannity to ignore it and do a show about Hillary.
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@XenaLee
Wasn’t BS. Most of the people on your list aren’t current. Fox has become a joke. Next time Trump gets in hot water for something, you can depend on Hannity to ignore it and do a show about Hillary.
Well... you certainly have a right to your opinion. And mine is.... Fox is still the ONLY network that even attempts to be 'fair and balanced' by allowing the idiot left to present their side too... unlike all of the other lamestream media outlets.... which are all leftist-leaning.
I get it that you despise Trump. I'm not exactly a rabid fan, myself. But try not to let your bias against him color other important things here. Mainly and most importantly.... that we MUST defeat the left in November and again in 2020. Our very survival as a free (free of liberal idiocy) nation is at stake. If the Democrats get their way and win again.... we are, quite simply...
SCREWED.
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Well... you certainly have a right to your opinion. And mine is.... Fox is still the ONLY network that even attempts to be 'fair and balanced' by allowing the idiot left to present their side too... unlike all of the other lamestream media outlets.... which are all leftist-leaning.
As I mentioned above, every panel I see on CNN includes Jack Kingston, Andre Bauer, Rick Santorum, or at least 1-2 Conservatives or Republicans out of 3-4 panelists.
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They all Suck, it's been downhill since these Guys (Huntley & Brinkley) pretended that they too were Reality TV Stars.
(http://pdxretro.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/NBCs-HuntleyBrinkley_1956.jpg)
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They all Suck, it's been downhill since these Guys (Huntley & Brinkley) pretended that they too were Reality TV Stars.
(http://pdxretro.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/NBCs-HuntleyBrinkley_1956.jpg)
@corbe Oh, wow, so that it what David Brinkley looked like when he was young! And I don't think I've ever seen Chet(?) Huntley before!
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@XenaLee
Wasn’t BS. Most of the people on your list aren’t current. Fox has become a joke. Next time Trump gets in hot water for something, you can depend on Hannity to ignore it and do a show about Hillary.
@CatherineofAragon
So,you object about them dumping on Hillary,and applaud them for dumping on Trump. "Gurl power" hypocrisy?
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Well... you certainly have a right to your opinion. And mine is.... Fox is still the ONLY network that even attempts to be 'fair and balanced' by allowing the idiot left to present their side too... unlike all of the other lamestream media outlets.... which are all leftist-leaning.
I get it that you despise Trump. I'm not exactly a rabid fan, myself. But try not to let your bias against him color other important things here. Mainly and most importantly.... that we MUST defeat the left in November and again in 2020. Our very survival as a free (free of liberal idiocy) nation is at stake. If the Democrats get their way and win again.... we are, quite simply...
SCREWED.
@XenaLee
You don't seriously think the NT loons care about something as frivolous as the survival of the nation,do you? WAKE UP! RINO POWER IS AT RISK! They are Party People who put party and their favorite RINO's ahead of of the survival of the nation because they just "gots to have me some Bush or McLunatic!"
It doesn't bother them that Hillary has most likely grabbed more snatch than Trump or that half the alleged males in the Bush Crime Family,as well as Lady Lindsey have without grabbed more penis than Hillary. What matters to them is their familiar and comfortable traitors have had their careers harmed by an outsider.
The two biggest problems this country faces is the Dim Party and the alleged Republican Party. Both are populated by self-serving traitors.
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As I mentioned above, every panel I see on CNN includes Jack Kingston, Andre Bauer, Rick Santorum, or at least 1-2 Conservatives or Republicans out of 3-4 panelists.
And former Trump advisers and spokesmen such as Stephen Moore and Jason Miller are on CNN panels several times a week along with current spokesmen and Administration members. Just last night I watched an interview that Erin Burnett had with Peter Navarro, Trump’s National Trade Council, where Navarro tried to defend the new tariffs. CNN has plenty of Trump supporters, defenders, and current and former advisers on. To say CNN doesn’t allow this Administration’s side to be presented is just factually untrue.
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Well... you certainly have a right to your opinion. And mine is.... Fox is still the ONLY network that even attempts to be 'fair and balanced' by allowing the idiot left to present their side too... unlike all of the other lamestream media outlets.... which are all leftist-leaning.
I get it that you despise Trump. I'm not exactly a rabid fan, myself. But try not to let your bias against him color other important things here. Mainly and most importantly.... that we MUST defeat the left in November and again in 2020. Our very survival as a free (free of liberal idiocy) nation is at stake. If the Democrats get their way and win again.... we are, quite simply...
SCREWED.
@XenaLee, really? You’re part of the crowd that accuses people of Trump hate now? Have to admit, you surprise me.
I can’t think of anyone I actually despise in my real life, so why would some politician I’ve never met inspire a such powerful emotion? I wish we could get back to the days when conservatives respected word definitions and understood nuance, instead of slinging around hate accusations.
Do I like Trump? No, and why would I? I don’t think he has any character. That said, I laugh at some of the things he says, which are funny. Others are cringeworthy. Beyond that, he’s just a public servant with a job to do. He ends up getting in his own way too often.
I don’t know of anyone who still thinks Fox is fair and balanced, but okay. I’ve been getting my news online for the past couple of years.
I’m sorry, but I’ve heard all of the dramatic “this is our last election†doomsday stuff before, and I’m over it. If you expect the GOP to save the country, you haven’t been paying attention.
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@XenaLee, really? You’re part of the crowd that accuses people of Trump hate now? Have to admit, you surprise me.
I wish we could get back to the days when conservatives respected word definitions and understood nuance, instead of slinging around hate accusations.
@CatherineofAragon
I wish we could get back to the days,assuming they really existed,where people who called themselves concervatives WERE conservative,and not just card-carrying party members willing to follow any fool with an R behind his or her name,like sheep following a sheep herder.
We have had several presidents and presidential candidates since Reagan that had a "Big Red R" behind their names,and every damn one of them was a "go along to get along" career political creature with all the character of a pimp.
Now we have a president with an R behind his name that didn't come up through the ranks,kissing rings and owing favors all the way that is the most conservative president we have had since Reagan,and all the Party People shitheads are horrified and hate him worse than the Clintons or those evil Bush bastards,and are doing everything they CAN do to try to destroy any chances he might have of getting conservative legislation passed and leftist legislation repealed.
And the primary reason is because he beat JEB and Cruz out for the nomination. These people are not conservatives,and they aren't even Americans. They are human drones that think this is some sort of sporting event,and by GAWD days agaona root for de home team and dey favorite players!
Apparently you did not see that 3 page thread
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,308154.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,308154.0.html)
consider this your first warning
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@XenaLee, really? You’re part of the crowd that accuses people of Trump hate now? Have to admit, you surprise me.
I can’t think of anyone I actually despise in my real life, so why would some politician I’ve never met inspire a such powerful emotion? I wish we could get back to the days when conservatives respected word definitions and understood nuance, instead of slinging around hate accusations.
Ehhh.... despise vs. dislike... what's the difference? Just a lot of silly parsing of words, IMO. Please don't insult our intelligence and try to say here that disliking Trump, which you admit to, is that different from despising Trump. And I didn't mention the word "hate".... you did.
Do I like Trump? No, and why would I? I don’t think he has any character. That said, I laugh at some of the things he says, which are funny. Others are cringeworthy. Beyond that, he’s just a public servant with a job to do. He ends up getting in his own way too often.
Well, truthfully.... I don't like him either. But that's beside the point. He's the CIC we have, not the one we wanted. And right now he's the only thing standing between us and a radical leftist/totalitarian rule of America. And I have to admit.... that the fact that the establishment and radical left now hates, loathes and despises (no parsing here...lol) him with every atom in their bodies.... tickles the hell out of me. Of course, that's just my humble opinion, which I am entitled to.
I don’t know of anyone who still thinks Fox is fair and balanced, but okay. I’ve been getting my news online for the past couple of years.
You must hang with a lot of lefties then. Compared to the leftist media outlets, Fox is the ONLY one that is not leftist-biased. Just sayin.....
I’m sorry, but I’ve heard all of the dramatic “this is our last election†doomsday stuff before, and I’m over it. If you expect the GOP to save the country, you haven’t been paying attention.
Yeah, yeah. You can call it dramatic and doomsday. Feel free. I call it REALITY. And the reality is.... if the radical left manages to destroy and eliminate Trump, that will equate to their win in the next two (or more) elections.
Oh... and by the way....
welcome back! ^-^
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@CatherineofAragon
So,you object about them dumping on Hillary,and applaud them for dumping on Trump. "Gurl power" hypocrisy?
@sneakypete
Yes, you have me pegged. That is 100% my take on the situation.
Very brief hijack---do you think there would be any interest in a Vikings thread, whenever the show comes back?
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Just for the record, @XenaLee ..... I know plenty of people who no longer watch Fox because they are too liberal.
That happened when they lost all objectivity, and along with the GOPe abandoned all conservatism whatsoever to support and adore trump.
If you can name any Fox commentator who objects to Trump from the right as we do here, I will accede to their ‘fair and balanced’ claim.
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Just for the record, @XenaLee ..... I know plenty of people who no longer watch Fox because they are too liberal.
That happened when they lost all objectivity, and along with the GOPe abandoned all conservatism whatsoever to support and adore trump.
If you can name any Fox commentator who objects to Trump from the right as we do here, I will accede to their ‘fair and balanced’ claim.
Too liberal? But the point remains.... that they are the only media outlet/network that is not rabidly slanted to the left. I can't believe you guys are actually trying to dispute that. Seriously?
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@XenaLee
Ehhh.... despise vs. dislike... what's the difference? Just a lot of silly parsing of words, IMO. Please don't insult our intelligence and try to say here that disliking Trump, which you admit to, is that different from despising Trump. And I didn't mention the word "hate".... you did.
Sorry, but your opinion doesn't matter when it comes to the meanings of words, and you don't get to redefine them anymore than a leftist. If you want to check the dictionary, I encourage it.
Well, truthfully.... I don't like him either. But that's beside the point. He's the CIC we have, not the one we wanted. And right now he's the only thing standing between us and a radical leftist/totalitarian rule of America. And I have to admit.... that the fact that the establishment and radical left now hates, loathes and despises (no parsing here...lol) him with every atom in their bodies.... tickles the hell out of me. Of course, that's just my humble opinion, which I am entitled to.
So you despise Trump? Strong emotion for someone you've never even met.
I don't agree that Trump is the single heroic figure standing in the way of ruin. He isn't a monarch. Yeah, he's the president we have, so what do you think I should do with that? Stop criticizing him? Limit myself to praise? I'm not exactly out in the street yelling for him to be impeached, you know.
Yeah, liberals are mad, big deal. They're always mad about something. There are a hell of a lot more important things to worry about, unless you think looking back and saying "well, but we owned the libs!" will be enough of a legacy. I don't.
You must hang with a lot of lefties then. Compared to the leftist media outlets, Fox is the ONLY one that is not leftist-biased. Just sayin.....
Nailed again. Linda Sarsour and I are pretty tight, actually. And I do love me a good Antifa rally.
You misunderstand me. Fox puts out a different type of propaganda than MSNBC and CNN, but it's still propaganda, and I don't want it. I can think for myself. Just present me with the facts.
Yeah, yeah. You can call it dramatic and doomsday. Feel free. I call it REALITY. And the reality is.... if the radical left manages to destroy and eliminate Trump, that will equate to their win in the next two (or more) elections.
I don't think they will. If he runs, I think he'll be re-elected.
Oh... and by the way....
welcome back! ^-^
Hey, thanks!
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Too liberal? But the point remains.... that they are the only media outlet/network that is not rabidly slanted to the left. I can't believe you guys are actually trying to dispute that. Seriously?
I am not refuting that they have more diverse opinions than cnn, et al (I didn’t say anything remotely like that).
What I am saying is that there is no consistent opinion more conservative than Trump, and a lot of downright worship of him (Hannity, Ingraham).
And he’s still a liberal, despite his campaign rhetoric.
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@XenaLee
Sorry, but your opinion doesn't matter when it comes to the meanings of words, and you don't get to redefine them anymore than a leftist. If you want to check the dictionary, I encourage it.
Au contraire. My opinion matters a great deal..... to me....lol. Great snark there, btw.
So you despise Trump? Strong emotion for someone you've never even met.
At times.... you could say I do dislike (or dispise) him. Every single time he lurches left, in fact. And I've been right here voicing that dislike every time he lurches left on an issue. Which is why I'm so confused about your apparent extreme sensitivity about someone pointing out your feelings about Trump.
I don't agree that Trump is the single heroic figure standing in the way of ruin. He isn't a monarch. Yeah, he's the president we have, so what do you think I should do with that? Stop criticizing him? Limit myself to praise? I'm not exactly out in the street yelling for him to be impeached, you know.
You can disagree that his presidency is standing in the way of our nations' descent into leftist control all you want to. It doesn't change the FACT. And for the record, nobody is saying he's a "heroic figure". But....it really is an "us vs. them" scenario re: the deep state's attempt to take down Trump and his presidency. That you don't see that... or won't see and/or admit it... is very troubling.
Yeah, liberals are mad, big deal. They're always mad about something. There are a hell of a lot more important things to worry about, unless you think looking back and saying "well, but we owned the libs!" will be enough of a legacy. I don't.
You misunderstood me. I'm happy... gleeful, in fact... any time the idiot left is unhappy or mad about something. I can't help it. :shrug:
Nailed again. Linda Sarsour and I are pretty tight, actually. And I do love me a good Antifa rally.
You jest, yet... your words here on Fox and on Trump say otherwise....lol.
You misunderstand me. Fox puts out a different type of propaganda than MSNBC and CNN, but it's still propaganda, and I don't want it. I can think for myself. Just present me with the facts.
You can think for yourself by reading opinions posted on the internet by biased sources? What makes you think that what you're reading isn't also a form of propaganda? I can research and make judgments for myself re: what is truth and what is BS. It's called discernment. And it's not hard to discern extreme bias.
I don't think they will. If he runs, I think he'll be re-elected.
Hey, thanks!
I'm not all that sure that he will be able to run in 2020, much less be re-elected. I guess we'll see, won't we. And YW.
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I am not refuting that they have more diverse opinions than cnn, et al (I didn’t say anything remotely like that).
What I am saying is that there is no consistent opinion more conservative than Trump, and a lot of downright worship of him (Hannity, Ingraham).
And he’s still a liberal, despite his campaign rhetoric.
Well, I stopped watching Hannity last year...lol. I get what you're saying. Extreme bias FOR Trump can be just as nauseating as that against Trump.
And yeah, he's a liberal at heart (he just announced he'll be signing the porkulus bill). Which is the scary part... that a liberal-at-heart is all that's standing between our descent into radical leftist total control of the nation.
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Too liberal? But the point remains.... that they are the only media outlet/network that is not rabidly slanted to the left. I can't believe you guys are actually trying to dispute that. Seriously?
Outlets for objective news, other than FOX, are mostly obscure with limited audiences. But, only FOX has the name recognition and audience reach to actually matter. In total viewers they routinely whip CNN and MSNBC. Broadcast news stations are all heavily biased Left and a lost cause.
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Outlets for objective news, other than FOX, are mostly obscure with limited audiences. But, only FOX has the name recognition and audience reach to actually matter. In total viewers they routinely whip CNN and MSNBC. Broadcast news stations are all heavily biased Left and a lost cause.
And the fact that Fox whips the main leftist outlets via viewership is reassuring. That there's still enough mainstream Americans out there that watch and support Fox and that ergo don't want to see this nation fall to the extreme/radical leftists. It's a lifeline. I'll take it.
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Well, I stopped watching Hannity last year...lol. I get what you're saying. Extreme bias FOR Trump can be just as nauseating as that against Trump.
And yeah, he's a liberal at heart (he just announced he'll be signing the porkulus bill). Which is the scary part... that a liberal-at-heart is all that's standing between our descent into radical leftist total control of the nation.
Scary indeed. I just hope that what he’s doing doesn’t plunge us even further into the socialist abyss. The left is emboldened by the fact that he’s a total wreck of a human being. They’re now able to say that this is what Republicans are like and have a modicum of credibility.
Sad days for America and for all of us party-less Conservatives.
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Au contraire. My opinion matters a great deal..... to me....lol. Great snark there, btw.
Snark is always welcome.
At times.... you could say I do dislike (or dispise) him. Every single time he lurches left, in fact. And I've been right here voicing that dislike every time he lurches left on an issue. Which is why I'm so confused about your apparent extreme sensitivity about someone pointing out your feelings about Trump.
Okay, fair enough, for you. I just don't care enough to despise him. However, I've never liked the man and I don't see a reason to change, even though I can acknowledge it when he does something right.
But that last....no, babe, lol. You tell me I despise Trump, and when I explain otherwise, it's "extreme sensitivity". YOU know my feelings better than I do. That's the game played by a few others, and you're not getting away with it, either. And I say that nicely. ^-^
You can disagree that his presidency is standing in the way of our nations' descent into leftist control all you want to. It doesn't change the FACT. And for the record, nobody is saying he's a "heroic figure". But....it really is an "us vs. them" scenario re: the deep state's attempt to take down Trump and his presidency. That you don't see that... or won't see and/or admit it... is very troubling.
No offense, but everything you said could have come straight from Hannity's show. Us vs. them? The GOP has control, so look at what we get. We get a tax break from Trump, then he turns around and enacts tariffs that will throw people out of work. We get a $1.3 trillion dollar spending bill----Planned Parenthood is still funded, Obamacare regulations are still in place, sanctuary cities are funded, no wall, no reciprocity for gun owners. That's not "me." And I'm sorry if you expect me to feel loyalty to that kind of crap. I'm over it.
You misunderstood me. I'm happy... gleeful, in fact... any time the idiot left is unhappy or mad about something. I can't help it. :shrug:
Okay. For me, there are more important things---which will probably never get done, anyway.
You jest, yet... your words here on Fox and on Trump say otherwise....lol.
Okay, so you believe I'm a leftist because I criticize Trump and Fox. Fine with me.
You can think for yourself by reading opinions posted on the internet by biased sources? What makes you think that what you're reading isn't also a form of propaganda? I can research and make judgments for myself re: what is truth and what is BS. It's called discernment. And it's not hard to discern extreme bias.
The sources I use are conservative but fair. Not cheerleaders. Some prefer the Fox bubble...knock yourself out.
I'm not all that sure that he will be able to run in 2020, much less be re-elected. I guess we'll see, won't we. And YW.
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Snark is always welcome.
True dat.
Okay, fair enough, for you. I just don't care enough to despise him. However, I've never liked the man and I don't see a reason to change, even though I can acknowledge it when he does something right.
But that last....no, babe, lol. You tell me I despise Trump, and when I explain otherwise, it's "extreme sensitivity". YOU know my feelings better than I do. That's the game played by a few others, and you're not getting away with it, either. And I say that nicely. ^-^
Well, let the parsing continue then! And let the readers judge for themselves. Right?
And yeah, we can always agree to disagree... but do it nicely. :beer:
No offense, but everything you said could have come straight from Hannity's show. Us vs. them? The GOP has control, so look at what we get. We get a tax break from Trump, then he turns around and enacts tariffs that will throw people out of work. We get a $1.3 trillion dollar spending bill----Planned Parenthood is still funded, Obamacare regulations are still in place, sanctuary cities are funded, no wall, no reciprocity for gun owners. That's not "me." And I'm sorry if you expect me to feel loyalty to that kind of crap. I'm over it.
I can't help it if Hannity occasionally gets things right (even a stopped clock, etc....). When I said "them" re: vs. "them"....I also include the ahole RINOs and establishment GOPer elitists (See: Jeb Effing Bush; No mo Bushes!). It really is a case of us Conservatives vs. the leftists AND the RINOs/GOPe.
And fair warning... you're about to see some extreme dislike coming from me about Trump signing this crapulous bill. He should have acquired some guts and vetoed the damned thing, IMO. It's not a case of disloyalty. It's a case of discerning what is right/good for the country... vs. what is a disaster for the nation. And this latest piece of crap legislation is bad to the nth.
Okay. For me, there are more important things---which will probably never get done, anyway.
Maybe not... but that doesn't mean you just give up on those things.
Okay, so you believe I'm a leftist because I criticize Trump and Fox. Fine with me.
Uh... where, exactly, did I say that you are a leftist???
The sources I use are conservative but fair. Not cheerleaders. Some prefer the Fox bubble...knock yourself out.
What sources do you use?
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@sneakypete
Yes, you have me pegged. That is 100% my take on the situation.
Very brief hijack---do you think there would be any interest in a Vikings thread, whenever the show comes back?
@CatherineofAragon
Oh,yeah. I've been waiting for the new episodes since the day the last episode aired.
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Just for the record, @XenaLee ..... I know plenty of people who no longer watch Fox because they are too liberal.
That happened when they lost all objectivity, and along with the GOPe abandoned all conservatism whatsoever to support and adore trump.
If you can name any Fox commentator who objects to Trump from the right as we do here, I will accede to their ‘fair and balanced’ claim. Stalin went to Divinity School to become a RO Priest before discovering his new religion,communism.
@musiclady
You don't object to Trump from the right. You object to him from the left. Organized religion is communism. You DEMAND everybody think and act like you think and act.
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@musiclady
You don't object to Trump from the right. You object to him from the left. Organized religion is communism. You DEMAND everybody think and act like you think and act.
I dunno about that, Pete. God only asks for 10% of what I make.
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@musiclady
You don't object to Trump from the right. You object to him from the left. Organized religion is communism. You DEMAND everybody think and act like you think and act.
None of that is true, of course, but I expect angry falsehoods and anti-Christian drivel from you and you never disappoint. **nononono*
I am, however, enjoying that you have become a Trump lackey.
If you have to make it personal it's probably not a good argument to start with.
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None of that is true, of course, but I expect angry falsehoods and anti-Christian drivel from you and you never disappoint. **nononono*
I am, however, enjoying that you have become a Trump lackey.
If you have to make it personal it's probably not a good argument to start with.
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Sorry about that!
The reason I have pete on Ignore is that every single thing he says to me is a personal attack. Every single thing
This time I saw his post quoted and slipped by returning the volley.
I should have known better because he always fights back with even uglier smears than he starts with, and I end up just walking away anyway.
I promise I'll be good, as the reality is that he is his own worst enemy.
@Mod1 (or whoever)
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Musiclady, it doesn't help that you reply with personal attacks.
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The mysterious case of the disappearing posts..... :pondering:
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Mainly and most importantly.... that we MUST defeat the left in November and again in 2020. Our very survival as a free (free of liberal idiocy) nation is at stake. If the Democrats get their way and win again.... we are, quite simply...
SCREWED.
In the Republican v. Democrat paradigm, there is no difference, and we are already screwed.
Start preaching Conservatism v. liberalism and I'll come a running. But a mere Republican will not get a damn dime, and not a moment of my time.
And if Tump is the offering in 2020, it's a non-starter. Y'all are on your own.
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@CatherineofAragon
Oh,yeah. I've been waiting for the new episodes since the day the last episode aired.
@sneakypete
Okay, I’ll do one. I just checked, and there’s no definite date for the return...speculation is late summer or early fall. Damn.
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True dat.
Well, let the parsing continue then! And let the readers judge for themselves. Right?
And yeah, we can always agree to disagree... but do it nicely. :beer:
I can't help it if Hannity occasionally gets things right (even a stopped clock, etc....). When I said "them" re: vs. "them"....I also include the ahole RINOs and establishment GOPer elitists (See: Jeb Effing Bush; No mo Bushes!). It really is a case of us Conservatives vs. the leftists AND the RINOs/GOPe.
And fair warning... you're about to see some extreme dislike coming from me about Trump signing this crapulous bill. He should have acquired some guts and vetoed the damned thing, IMO. It's not a case of disloyalty. It's a case of discerning what is right/good for the country... vs. what is a disaster for the nation. And this latest piece of crap legislation is bad to the nth.
Maybe not... but that doesn't mean you just give up on those things.
Uh... where, exactly, did I say that you are a leftist???
What sources do you use?
@XenaLee
I’ll respond later when I’m not on my phone...trying to format quotes on this thing would drive me officially nuts.
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@XenaLee
And fair warning... you're about to see some extreme dislike coming from me about Trump signing this crapulous bill. He should have acquired some guts and vetoed the damned thing, IMO. It's not a case of disloyalty. It's a case of discerning what is right/good for the country... vs. what is a disaster for the nation. And this latest piece of crap legislation is bad to the nth.
@CatherineofAragon
I don't know what kind of backdoor deal the alleged Republicans and their Dim twins put together to offer him if he would sign off on this budget,but it pretty much had to be something like promises to build the border wall. Which,of course,is a promise they never had ANY intention of keeping.
Presidents have to have give and take. They are Presidents,not dictators unless their name is FDR. This is especially true for a President that wants to "rock the establishment boat". The problem is as I have stated,the alleged Republicans and their Dim Twins will stab him in the back and have a lot of fun calling him a fool for trusting them. They will just leave off the "for trusting them" part.
Trump ain't exactly a virgin at making deals where everybody else thinks they won,and when the dust settles,he is the one that got his way.
I can only hope he wins YUGE on this one because he's going to need it. Government regulations and government spending at THE two biggest horrors we face because for all practical purposes they are co-joined and end up being THE prime evil. He's going to have a tough time getting anything else done if they get away with punking him on this.
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@sneakypete
Trump ain't exactly a virgin at making deals where everybody else thinks they won,and when the dust settles,he is the one that got his way.
The way he did that in business was to welch on payment. It doesn't really apply here.
I can only hope he wins YUGE on this one because he's going to need it. Government regulations and government spending at THE two biggest horrors we face because for all practical purposes they are co-joined and end up being THE prime evil. He's going to have a tough time getting anything else done if they get away with punking him on this.
I think it's all the military spending. That's what he got.
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@CatherineofAragon
I don't know what kind of backdoor deal the alleged Republicans and their Dim twins put together to offer him if he would sign off on this budget,but it pretty much had to be something like promises to build the border wall. Which,of course,is a promise they never had ANY intention of keeping.
Presidents have to have give and take. They are Presidents,not dictators unless their name is FDR. This is especially true for a President that wants to "rock the establishment boat". The problem is as I have stated,the alleged Republicans and their Dim Twins will stab him in the back and have a lot of fun calling him a fool for trusting them. They will just leave off the "for trusting them" part.
Trump ain't exactly a virgin at making deals where everybody else thinks they won,and when the dust settles,he is the one that got his way.
I can only hope he wins YUGE on this one because he's going to need it. Government regulations and government spending at THE two biggest horrors we face because for all practical purposes they are co-joined and end up being THE prime evil. He's going to have a tough time getting anything else done if they get away with punking him on this.
@sneakypete, that was @XenaLee's post.
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@XenaLee
Okay, haven't been able to get to my laptop today, but you asked where did I call you a leftist...
Looking back, you said my opinion about Fox means that I apparently hang with leftists. Not the same thing, so I apologize. But I don't hang with them, either. ^-^ Many to most conservatives recognize Fox's bias. I mean, I think it was last night, after Trump signed the bill, and Tucker Carlson was talking about UFOs.
You asked what online news sources I use...
The Daily Wire and this place are my go-tos. They're good for telling me what's happening. Then I like various Twitters for analysis and commentary---Ben Shapiro, Jonah Goldberg, Dana Loesch, Reagan Battalion, Allahpundit, Ben Sasse, Amanda Carpenter. I read Bill Kristol, too. Yes, he's a NT and a moderate, but I like his nerdy history posts. And for laughs I like Sonny Bunch and Comfortably Smug.
Yes, I agree that you and I can always disagree nicely. Or we should, anyway. :beer:
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@XenaLee
I read Bill Kristol, too. Yes, he's a NT and a moderate, but I like his nerdy history posts.
@CatherineofAragon
You know what they call someone that ignores what his enemy is saying?
A fool.
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@CatherineofAragon
You know what they call someone that ignores what his enemy is saying?
A fool.
@sneakypete
Ignores what now?
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@sneakypete
Ignores what now?
@CatherineofAragon
Sorry,I thought it was obvious. Only a fool ignores what is said by "sages" he disagrees with. You can't hope to defeat your enemy or his philosophy if you don't understand either.
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@CatherineofAragon
Sorry,I thought it was obvious. Only a fool ignores what is said by "sages" he disagrees with. You can't hope to defeat your enemy or his philosophy if you don't understand either.
@sneakypete
Kristol's a sage? I just thought he was a nerdy, occasionally humorous political guy.
I wouldn't know he's a moderate if I ignored what he said. I read his Twitter sometimes and check out some of the historical articles he links to. If he says something I disagree with, well...it doesn't poison me. I pass it by.
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@sneakypete
I wouldn't know he's a moderate if I ignored what he said. I read his Twitter sometimes and check out some of the historical articles he links to. If he says something I disagree with, well...it doesn't poison me. I pass it by.
@CatherineofAragon
There is nothing even the tiniest bit moderate about him. He started out as a dedicated commie from a commie family,and morphed into a globalists. In other words,a commie that loves profits as well as state control over the serfs.
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He’s not wrong.
@CatherineofAragon he's just saying what a lot of is have known and felt about Fox News for awhile now.
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@CatherineofAragon he's just saying what a lot of is have known and felt about Fox News for awhile now.
@txradioguy
Agreed. It's pretty obvious, really.
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@CatherineofAragon
There is nothing even the tiniest bit moderate about him. He started out as a dedicated commie from a commie family,and morphed into a globalists. In other words,a commie that loves profits as well as state control over the serfs.
@sneakypete
Well, this serf is just reading his Twitter for fun, so no harm. He won't change my political opinions.
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FOX news used to be the only TV that I watched. I stopped during the campaign when I realized that Hannity and Trump were joined at the hip. So much for fair and balanced.
I don't watch TV at all anymore, unless I want to watch a movie on Amazon or Netflix.
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FOX news used to be the only TV that I watched. I stopped during the campaign when I realized that Hannity and Trump were joined at the hip. So much for fair and balanced.
I don't watch TV at all anymore, unless I want to watch a movie on Amazon or Netflix.
FOX News has clearly defined division between hard news (the reporting of news events ie. “what happenedâ€) and opinion (editorial interpretation of events). Hannity doesn’t pretend to be a reporter of News events, rather he unambiguously tells his audience he interprets events from his perspective as a conservative political commentator.
Every other mainstream News outfit blurs and conflates the two.
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FOX News has clearly defined division between hard news (the reporting of news events ie. “what happenedâ€) and opinion (editorial interpretation of events). Hannity doesn’t pretend to be a reporter of News events, rather he unambiguously tells his audience he interprets events from his perspective as a conservative political commentator.
Every other mainstream News outfit blurs and conflates the two.
They used to have a division between the two. They blurred the likes like the rest of the cable new outlets a couple years ago.
They sold out and are really no better than MSNBC or CNN these days.