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Senate to vote on $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill this week
By Jordain Carney - 03/01/21 03:45 PM EST
The Senate will vote this week on a sweeping $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill, as Democrats try to get the legislation signed into law before federal unemployment benefits expire.
"The Senate will take up the American Rescue Plan this week. I expect a hardy debate and some late nights, but the American people sent us here with a job to do, to help the country through this moment of extraordinary challenge," Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said from the Senate floor.
The House passed the bill early Saturday morning, sending it to the Senate.
The Senate is expected to make changes to the bill, including stripping out language increasing the minimum wage to $15 per hour after the Senate parliamentarian advised that it didn't comply with budget rules that govern what can be included in the coronavirus bill.
The Senate will also have to go through a marathon voting session known as vote-a-rama, where any senator who wants to force an amendment vote will be able to do so. Senators are mulling potential changes to the bill, including changing the phase-out structure of a third round of stimulus checks.
Republicans were able to successfully get amendments added to last month's budget resolution, which teed up the coronavirus bill. But those changes were non-binding, while any successful effort by Senate Republicans will change the House-passed coronavirus bill.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/541059-senate-to-vote-on-19-trillion-coronavirus-relief-bill-this-week
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We all know they don't want to give all the 'momentum' back to the Democrats by voting against this $1.9 Trillion Democrat Slush Fund.
What to do...what to do... ???
Think I'll go and ask @roamer_1 :silly:
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The GOP Senators need to vote against it. Who cares if they ping pong it back and forth. The GOP shouldn't vote in favor of anything that the DEMS want. Make it as difficult for them as possible -- the DEMS declared this war on our Republic. Give them nothing.
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We all know they don't want to give all the 'momentum' back to the Democrats by voting against this $1.9 Trillion Democrat Slush Fund.
What to do...what to do... ???
Think I'll go and ask @roamer_1 :silly:
@DCPatriot
NOW you're worried about a couple trillion bucks? :silly:
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@DCPatriot
NOW you're worried about a couple trillion bucks? :silly:
LOL!
No, sir! At this point, it isn't real money.
But what about my original point...voting against it automatically reinforces the perception that the GOP doesn't give a shit about the little average guy....going into the all important mid-terms.
For the most part, we can deal with Pres. Biden's ruling by Executive Order. Just like he's dealing with Pres. Trump's. Stroke of a pen....gone!
What we can't have is a Democrat Majority come 2023.
Sign it. I would like an Nikon 85mm 1.4 G Keep the economy going strong!! @roamer_1
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LOL!
No, sir! At this point, it isn't real money.
But what about my original point...voting against it automatically reinforces the perception that the GOP doesn't give a shit about the little average guy....going into the all important mid-terms.
For the most part, we can deal with Pres. Biden's ruling by Executive Order. Just like he's dealing with Pres. Trump's. Stroke of a pen....gone!
What we can't have is a Democrat Majority come 2023.
Sign it. I would like an Nikon 85mm 1.4 G Keep the economy going strong!! @roamer_1
The first thing, @DCPatriot , is to admit you have a problem. Then comes the credit-card-cutting ceremony... Sober as a judge, hoping you can get the electricity turned back on by next month.
NO, DAMMIT. We ain't got the damn money!!!
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LOL!
No, sir! At this point, it isn't real money.
But what about my original point...voting against it automatically reinforces the perception that the GOP doesn't give a shit about the little average guy....going into the all important mid-terms.
For the most part, we can deal with Pres. Biden's ruling by Executive Order. Just like he's dealing with Pres. Trump's. Stroke of a pen....gone!
What we can't have is a Democrat Majority come 2023.
Sign it. I would like an Nikon 85mm 1.4 G Keep the economy going strong!! @roamer_1
IF some serious changes aren't made to the ballot box and amnesty, we WILL continue to have a DEM majority. Guarantee it!
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The first thing, @DCPatriot , is to admit you have a problem. Then comes the credit-card-cutting ceremony... Sober as a judge, hoping you can get the electricity turned back on by next month.
NO, DAMMIT. We ain't got the damn money!!!
Nope, we don't have the dang money, but right now that's the least of our problems; Biden, Harris, Middle East, oil dependency, going green, amnesty, attack on 2A, etc.
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Nope, we don't have the dang money, but right now that's the least of our problems; Biden, Harris, Middle East, oil dependency, going green, amnesty, attack on 2A, etc.
It's the money. The money makes all the rest go round. It is, and always will be, the worst of our problems.
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Senate Democrats negotiating changes to coronavirus bill
Senate Democrats are discussing potential changes to a $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package, saying they want to further target the House-passed legislation.
A group of Democrats met with President Biden on Monday to talk about the path forward on the legislation, which is expected to come to a vote on the Senate floor in a matter of days.
"We talked about the package and we talked about some ... targeting, targeting dollars," said Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.).
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Democrats have no room for error as they try to pass the bill in the Senate.
Because no Republicans are expected to support the coronavirus-relief legislation, that means Biden will need all 50 members of the Senate Democratic caucus to support the legislation in order to get it through the chamber.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/541134-senate-democrats-negotiating-changes-to-coronavirus-bill
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Somebody was extremely critical of Trump's spending and is still glad to give democrats a pass on any amount of fiscal responsibilities. 'Real Conservatives' only reserve circular firing squads for Conservatives, and give democrats a pass, so democrats can rule with ease. It worked last election, didn't it!
:smokin: :silly: :smokin:
A 'Real conservative' attacks Conservatives, and give democrats a pass, and now we have seen just how that works.
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Somebody was extremely critical of Trump's spending and is still glad to give democrats a pass on any amount of fiscal responsibilities. 'Real Conservatives' only reserve circular firing squads for Conservatives, and give democrats a pass, so democrats can rule with ease. It worked last election, didn't it!
:smokin: :silly: :smokin:
A 'Real conservative' attacks Conservatives, and give democrats a pass, and now we have seen just how that works.
Just what part of 'NO DAMMIT, we ain't got the damn money!' didn't you understand?
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You obviously mean Republicans don't have the money, democrats however, it doesn't matter what they do, so they can spend all they want. The 'game' is understood.
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@roamer_1
@christian
"Economic Stimulus" anyone? "Shovel-ready jobs" for needed infrastructure??
$687 BILLION which was serious $$$ back in 2009.
They restocked the retirement/pension funds and union coffers who paid somebody somewhere "10 Percent for the Big Guy!"
Then the SOB had the temerity...the tenacity to laugh about its obvious failure on national television
Now, twelve years later, the sum has tripled. So yeah, it's 'Monopoly Money'.
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You obviously mean Republicans don't have the money, democrats however, it doesn't matter what they do, so they can spend all they want. The 'game' is understood.
Get out your crayons and draw another picture.
I meant exactly what I said. We ain't got the damn money. I have never wavered a single damn moment on that for anyone.
But would I expect Republicans to save trillions instead of spending tens of trillions? Not any more (spit). There ain't a dime's worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats.
The difference is that you defend it. I will not.
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@roamer_1
@christian
"Economic Stimulus" anyone? "Shovel-ready jobs" for needed infrastructure??
$687 BILLION which was serious $$$ back in 2009.
They restocked the retirement/pension funds and union coffers who paid somebody somewhere "10 Percent for the Big Guy!"
Then the SOB had the temerity...the tenacity to laugh about its obvious failure on national television
Now, twelve years later, the sum has tripled. So yeah, it's 'Monopoly Money'.
You didn't see me trying to justify spending under ANY circumstance. I was TEA long before there was TEA. There is NO number other than negatives that I will vote for. PERIOD.
And I have said exactly that consistently. No, it is NOT monopoly money. It is the difference between survival and destruction. And you ain't helping, @DCPatriot ... And neither did Tumpy. But at least you're honest about it.
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If I get the $1,400, I will give it back to them, plus more, when I pay income tax.
I have a severe problem - before covid - I went to casinos and a number of times, won so much I had to report it and pay income tax on it. Now, I can't go to casinos, so my income amount has dropped. It is not my fault casinos had to close so it seems to me, the government should pay me the approximate amount I used to win since it was not my fault, right?
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If I get the $1,400, I will give it back to them, plus more, when I pay income tax.
I have a severe problem - before covid - I went to casinos and a number of times, won so much I had to report it and pay income tax on it. Now, I can't go to casinos, so my income amount has dropped. It is not my fault casinos had to close so it seems to me, the government should pay me the approximate amount I used to win since it was not my fault, right?
If only that were the case @Victoria33 :laugh: You are fortunate to have some luck at the casinos. Hubby and I used to take just $20.00 each with us on the casino ships (years ago) and we would play till that $20.00 ran out -- we never came home with $20.00 -- empty pockets. At least we didn't lose a lot. We had a nice dinner on the water and gambled a bit for some fun. That worked out fine for us.
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It's the money. The money makes all the rest go round. It is, and always will be, the worst of our problems.
Well the way I see it, the gov't starts confiscating our guns and incarcerating people for lack of compliance and an all out civil war or revolution erupts -- the national debt is the least of our worries.
Harris and Biden are bent on gun control, granting amnesty, climate change restrictions, etc...and you think our debt is going to matter to them one iota? They don't care how much debt they put us under. Again, once they implement those things, our debt is the least of our concerns -- us city folk will have bigger problems just trying to survive under their thumb.
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Well the way I see it, the gov't starts confiscating our guns and incarcerating people for lack of compliance and an all out civil war or revolution erupts -- the national debt is the least of our worries.
If they didn't have the money they could not afford to. The government big enough to 'help' you is big enough to enslave you. AND THEY WILL. Every time.
Harris and Biden are bent on gun control, granting amnesty, climate change restrictions, etc...and you think our debt is going to matter to them one iota? They don't care how much debt they put us under. Again, once they implement those things, our debt is the least of our concerns -- us city folk will have bigger problems just trying to survive under their thumb.
It doesn't matter what they're bent on. What matters is what stands in their way. Which currently is next to nothing. Even so... It is but a symptom. The reason it can is because it is big enough to. And the reason it is big enough to is because of money. All the way across the board it starts with putting them back in the fiscal box. The rest will certainly follow.
And libertarianism and fiscal conservatism are the two things that are NEVER defended. There is a reason for that.
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Trump resorted a great deal of America that Obama was bringing down. Obama spent Trillions and damaged the nation, just as Biden is furthering the desolation spending to Americas detriment. Trump was restoring the nation and reviving it, Obama and Biden are killing America, and doing it with reckless spending making bad situations worse.
You ignore Trump was helping America recover, while Obama and Biden play Dr. Kevorkian. You think the good doctor spends too much, so never him, but murderous doctors get a pass on what they do, even their insane spending, the problem is a mental one. Get help!
:smokin: 9999hair out0000 9999hair out0000 9999hair out0000 :smokin:
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Trump resorted a great deal of America that Obama was bringing down. Obama spent Trillions and damaged the nation, just as Biden is furthering the desolation spending to Americas detriment. Trump was restoring the nation and reviving it, Obama and Biden are killing America, and doing it with reckless spending making bad situations worse.
You ignore Trump was helping America recover, while Obama and Biden play Dr. Kevorkian. You think the good doctor spends too much, so never him, but murderous doctors get a pass on what they do, even their insane spending, the problem is a mental one. Get help!
:smokin: 9999hair out0000 9999hair out0000 9999hair out0000 :smokin:
Utter idiocy!
Tumpy spent at TWICE the rate of Obummer. And you got *NOTHING*. Nothing is fixed, nothing is changed. Nothing. All gone! Poof, no eyebrows! More money spent than in the entire history of mankind, without a damn thing to show for it. 'Good doctor', my ass.
Y'all are gonna have to do a helluva lot better than this messianic fanboi crap if anything is going to get fixed. With the bar so dang low as yourn this country is DOOMED.
And dems get no pass from me. I know what they are. But what matters is that there is opposition against them. Something raised up to stop them. And that sure as hell wasn't Tumpy. Not by a long, long shot. Four years of giggling and throwing poo. Nothing changed.
That isn't giving Dems a pass. that's just not giving Pubs a pass for doing nothing *AT ALL* to oppose them - To include Tumpy the Clown.
You got nothing. The ball went left. And it cost twenty friggin trillion dollars. That's LOSING, bigtime. And still you cling to your rah, rah nonsense, gleefully ready to throw more monkey-sh*t instead of taking the loss and finding something real to do.
What an utter waste of time.
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When you opposed Trump,you helped give the election to Biden and the democrats. Denying you did is a lie, and now what happens is all on you and those that aided the democrats to win. IT IS ALL ON YOU AND THOSE THAT FOLLOW YOUR PIED PIPERING. YOU BOUGHT IT, YOU OWN IT!
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When you opposed Trump,you helped give the election to Biden and the democrats. Denying you did is a lie, and now what happens is all on you and those that aided the democrats to win. IT IS ALL ON YOU AND THOSE THAT FOLLOW YOUR PIED PIPERING. YOU BOUGHT IT, YOU OWN IT!
Bullshit. There ain't no damn way I will support twenty friggin trillion dollars... MASSIVE friggin debt coming from the so-called RIGHT... And folks like you, with your shallow thinking and lack of standards are exactly why the Republicans can't fight a damn thing. Because you let em. You'll give em passes till we're all in chains.
None for me thanks. The term 'Conservative' comes with a set of principles. Throw away those principles and it ain't conservatism anymore. So a hard pass on your big spending NYC liberal. And a hard pass on the Republicans that helped him spend it.
You voted for it. YOU own it. I walked off years ago and don't have a damn thing to do with any of it, from any which way.
You want my vote, try acting like a Conservative. It ain't hard. Everyone knows what is required to get conservative votes.
Because what you're selling I sure as hell ain't buying, and the customer is always right. But then, you would prefer to coerce my vote than give me something to vote *FOR*, which makes y'all no damn different than the democrats. So go point your gun at somebody else's head. I won't play.
I will continue to defend conservatism. And I will do it right here, and will not be swayed... Certainly not by one with so puerile and shallow a thought process as yours.
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Get ready for the new numeric term of our debt future.... "Quadrillions"
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Get ready for the new numeric term of our debt future.... "Quadrillions"
So true. Today we are so acclimated to trillions...we don't blink an eye at billions. What comes after quadrillions...(rhetorical)
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You supported far worse with more years of Obama/Biden and all the chaos we as a nation are now being subjected to. man up, the consequences go with YOU getting your way.
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I walked off years ago and don't have a damn thing to do with any of it
christian:
In the contest between Biden and Trump you chose sides, you went Never Trumper. That only benefited Biden, give up the lie/deny routine, it doesn't sell.
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You supported far worse with more years of Obama/Biden and all the chaos we as a nation are now being subjected to. man up, the consequences go with YOU getting your way.
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I walked off years ago and don't have a damn thing to do with any of it
christian:
In the contest between Biden and Trump you chose sides, you went Never Trumper. That only benefited Biden, give up the lie/deny routine, it doesn't sell.
Nah. I refuse to support a party that neither supports Conservatism nor has it given a single win to Conservatism in my entire life. In the mean time, Democrats advance liberalism year after year. The reality is, y'all don't do sh*t, and never have. As the official purported home to Conservatism and declared opposition party to liberalism, y'all actually do neither.
That liberalism is winning is precisely and only because it has no opposition.
Opposition. That's supposed to be y'all. And you SUCK at it.
christian:
In the contest between Biden and Trump you chose sides, you went Never Trumper. That only benefited Biden, give up the lie/deny routine, it doesn't sell.
In the contest between Tumpy and Biteme, I also chose sides and went Never Biteme too... Which only benefited Tumpy.
Your argument is asinine. You do not own my vote, nor do you deserve it. The ONLY way my vote benefits anyone is when I vote *FOR* that person. It is an affirmative assent, an endorsement, and that is ALL it can be.
Since I did not vote (lend my endorsement) for Tumpy, and I did not lend my endorsement to Biteme, my vote is exactly a null, having NO effect between the two. My vote is in NEITHER column.
And rightly so.
Math. You should try it sometime.
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Hmmm....Donald Trump was a win for America.
Donald Trump's first year tax reform was a conservative masterpiece, greatly reducing the federal deductability of state taxes, something the Rodents are still freaking out over.
The judges Trump appointed, on the USSC and the lower courts, will have a cumulative conservative impact, so much so the Rodents have desperately renamed "court packing" as "court reform".
And for a pure conservative victory, the RINOs no longer have any place to hide, the Americans see them all for what they are.
And the Rodents are not "liberals" and "liberalism" is not being advanced by the Rodents and their puppet Usurper. Liberals endorse the rights of man over the power of government. Rodents have never been liberals. They are socialists, usually in the more extreme variants of socialism known as fascism and communism.
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Hmmm....Donald Trump was a win for America.
No, he was not. He was a twenety trillion dollar LOSS for America. And nothing gained.
Donald Trump's first year tax reform was a conservative masterpiece, greatly reducing the federal deductability of state taxes, something the Rodents are still freaking out over.
Again, no it was not a 'conservative masterpiece'. Conservatism dictates tax cuts accompanied by spending cuts. Cutting taxes while increasing spending (by double) only means one thing: Printing money, and inflationary taxation instead.
The judges Trump appointed, on the USSC and the lower courts, will have a cumulative conservative impact, so much so the Rodents have desperately renamed "court packing" as "court reform".
Nonsense. There has been no massive move to the right, because those are not conservative judges, as is already proving true.
And for a pure conservative victory, the RINOs no longer have any place to hide, the Americans see them all for what they are.
LOL! And voted them in again. Just as they always do.
The ball moved LEFT. Spending went drastically upward. Y'all got nothing. As usual.
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Who you voted for counts for little. I don't remember you mentioning it before this. Your demanding people here go Never Trumper is your stance and it went against one party and advantaged the other. Obvious as that is, your throwing a fit, changes nothing of that. From Never Trump, democrats/Biden you don't care about, to now Never Trump, Never Biden, that's quite a shift in your position. AFTER THE ELECTION How liberal of you!
You can have a promising career in the democrat party.
****slapping :yowsa: ****slapping
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Who you voted for counts for little. I don't remember you mentioning it before this. Your demanding people here go Never Trumper is your stance and it went against one party and advantaged the other.
I really could not care less about Tumpy himself. He's a friggin joke. And I don't give a sh*t about hero based messianic bullcrap.
What I encourage is adhering to the Conservative Coalition - Which is why we al purport to be here in the first place. That means NO conservative principles go under the bus. That means you vote for folks that actually abide by conservative principles. That's how you get Conservatives instead of RINOs - Voting with conviction instead of fear, and in not settling for less.
Using Consevative principle as the touchstone, of course Tumpy is a poor choice. A dreadful choice. He cannot be defended wrt fiscal conservatism or libertarianism - The two most important factors of Conservatism wrt controlling an out of control federal government - BOTH went under the bus with Tumpy, and especially fiscal conservatism.
So in voting *FOR* Tumpy, you are literally voting *against* fiscal conservatism and libertarianism, because if the Right will not defend those principles, no one will - You are quite literally disenfranchising those conservatives, that as a Conservative as defined under Goldwater and Reagan, we all vowed never to do.
I will not do that. EVER. Neither will I encourage others to. Because that is exactly why the Republican party is a feckless worthless party, unable to win a single thing in all my life. Because all y'all continue to do damage to the very coalition that we all purport to uphold. And I will be right here to remind all y'all of that bare FACT.
Obvious as that is, your throwing a fit, changes nothing of that. From Never Trump, democrats/Biden you don't care about, to now Never Trump, Never Biden, that's quite a shift in your position. AFTER THE ELECTION How liberal of you!
You can have a promising career in the democrat party.
****slapping :yowsa: ****slapping
I have not shifted any position since Reagan was in the Whitehouse. I have stood right here where I am. Your perceptions of where I am are your own.
I don't care about Democrats. Never have. I have no control over the left. They will do what they do. What I care about is the Right, which is supposed to defend against the Democrats, and never do.
Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition. FACT.
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What I encourage is adhering to the Conservative Coalition - Which is why we al purport to be here in the first place. That means NO conservative principles go under the bus. That means you vote for folks that actually abide by conservative principles. That's how you get Conservatives instead of RINOs - Voting with conviction instead of fear, and in not settling for less.
Looks like you'll be holding the first convention for this new group --- as you've defined it --- in the trunk of your car, including candidates.
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Looks like you'll be holding the first convention for this new group --- as you've defined it --- in the trunk of your car, including candidates.
Then so be it. Still better than adding to the feckless chorus. At least I am doing no harm.
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Then so be it. Still better than adding to the feckless chorus. At least I am doing no harm.
You're your own worst enemy, Roamer. You raise one important issue over and over again, collect an audience engaged with you, and then go flying off into crazy land.
You're unserious about forming the most effective coalition -- one that can WIN an election -- but you enjoy the fight and thinking your POV is superior. In reality, you know one thing and one thing only: Debt is bad. That's it. I'd call this a pretty feckless chorus, most especially now.
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You're your own worst enemy, Roamer. You raise one important issue over and over again, collect an audience engaged with you, and then go flying off into crazy land.
You're unserious about forming the most effective coalition -- one that can WIN an election -- but you enjoy the fight and thinking your POV is superior. In reality, you know one thing and one thing only: Debt is bad. That's it. I'd call this a pretty feckless chorus, most especially now.
Nah. Debt is just the least defensible. I can go on.
I am deadly serious about coalition - The difference being that the purpose FOR the coalition cannot be lost in the vagaries of compromise...
And that coalition is already formed... Was formed as early as Goldwater. Nothing has changed.
If you want to win - and actually WIN - What that will take is Conservatism. And ONLY Conservatism will do. Every compromise that nullifies those basic principles is a coalition that has already lost - Because it will fix nothing in the end.
Winning the election is not the point. RINOs win all the time.
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The GOP Senators need to vote against it. Who cares if they ping pong it back and forth. The GOP shouldn't vote in favor of anything that the DEMS want. Make it as difficult for them as possible -- the DEMS declared this war on our Republic. Give them nothing.
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But what about my original point...voting against it automatically reinforces the perception that the GOP doesn't give a shit about the little average guy....going into the all important mid-terms.
I don't think so, DC.
The little guy is solidly behind Trump now. They saw that he created jobs, bigger paychecks and stood up for them when no one else would. They saw the election stolen right before their eyes. They're onto the ocrats who do nothing for them.
There are seriously nasty provisions that must be defeated. The only question I have is how many of the Rrats want the NWO and will make certain our nation will be permanently under it's boot.
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You're your own worst enemy, Roamer. You raise one important issue over and over again
Deficit spending is the ONLY issue. Fix that, and you will find everything else fixed automatically. Deficit spending is the only thing that empowers Democrats. And for some crazy reason, we continue to support their empowerment.
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Looks like you'll be holding the first convention for this new group --- as you've defined it --- in the trunk of your car, including candidates.
@roamer_1 has a very large trunk.
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As for the corona virus, Biden demands dictatorial powers over the American people to supposedly fight the war against the corona virus. 2/3rd of his corona virus spending bill is pork, not fighting the virus at all. As for the desperate need to fight the corona virus from spreading, Biden is taking the NY Coumo tactic of spreading the infected among-st the uninfected, sending foreigners coming into the Country throughout Country knowing they are infected and letting them spread, uninhibited amongst the populace. In NY we know at least 15,000 needlessly died from this practice. How many more will now die because Biden is utilizing that practice to spread the disease across the entire nation? Democrats butcher/murder the populace while proclaiming they are saviors out to save the people, (whom they are very hostile towards).
Their butcher humanity abortions of humanity is spreading to other butcher humanity endeavors.
Defeating the evil Trump has given democrats the power to run wild and do these Nazi like exterminations of mankind. Expect more and worse to come. It's what happens when Satans servants are empowered!
****slapping :smokin: ****slapping
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You're your own worst enemy, Roamer. You raise one important issue over and over again, collect an audience engaged with you, and then go flying off into crazy land.
You're unserious about forming the most effective coalition -- one that can WIN an election -- but you enjoy the fight and thinking your POV is superior. In reality, you know one thing and one thing only: Debt is bad. That's it. I'd call this a pretty feckless chorus, most especially now.
My vote for "Post of the Week". :beer:
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Deficit spending is the ONLY issue. Fix that, and you will find everything else fixed automatically. Deficit spending is the only thing that empowers Democrats.
Really? Fix deficit spending and we fix the cancel culture, stop tearing down statues of our legacy, stop burning books?
Fix deficit spending and we stop insisting white people be less white, pay reparations, get on the back of every line, and apologize for their genetic code?
Fix deficit spending and we fix election and voter fraud so our votes reflect the will of actual, living American citizens and our government is no longer for sale?
Fix deficit spending and we reattach our justice system and rule of law to the United States Constitution?
Fix deficit spending and the Dreamers aren't rewarded with citizenship, unaccompanied minors are not moved into your neighborhood, and red states are not intentionally overrun by a new majority voting bloc?
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! By God, I think you have found the magic wand we've all been looking for. Why didn't anyone think of this before?? :pondering:
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And that coalition is already formed... Was formed as early as Goldwater. Nothing has changed. If you want to win
I see you posted directly from Crazy Land. Tell me again what President Goldwater's margin of victory was .... I forget.
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Deficit spending is the ONLY issue. Fix that, and you will find everything else fixed automatically. Deficit spending is the only thing that empowers Democrats. And for some crazy reason, we continue to support their empowerment.
It is certainly THE central one. As I said upthread... libertarianism and fiscal conservatism are always under the bus - And undoubtedly the tools most needed to put the federal behemoth back in its Constitutional box.
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@roamer_1 has a very large trunk.
You know that, and so do I... But really it doesn't matter. What matters is the truth, and the undeniable truth is that there is no win if one sacrifices the very principles you are fighting for...
And NOTHING gets fixed when those principles are sacrificed anyway.
So what the hell did you win?
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My vote for "Post of the Week". :beer:
Yeah, but you don't know sh*t anyway... happy77
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Really? Fix deficit spending and we fix the cancel culture, stop tearing down statues of our legacy, stop burning books?
Fixing deficit spending is not the same thing s fiscal conservatism - But:
YES.
Fix deficit spending and we stop insisting white people be less white, pay reparations, get on the back of every line, and apologize for their genetic code?
YES.
Fix deficit spending and we fix election and voter fraud so our votes reflect the will of actual, living American citizens and our government is no longer for sale?
YES.
Fix deficit spending and we reattach our justice system and rule of law to the United States Constitution?
YES.
Fix deficit spending and the Dreamers aren't rewarded with citizenship, unaccompanied minors are not moved into your neighborhood, and red states are not intentionally overrun by a new majority voting bloc?
YES.
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! By God, I think you have found the magic wand we've all been looking for. Why didn't anyone think of this before?? :pondering:
They did. y'all just left it behind. Sh*t, you should know it just from doing your checkbook at the kitchen table. Somehow it must be different when it's other peoples' money :whistle:
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I see you posted directly from Crazy Land. Tell me again what President Goldwater's margin of victory was .... I forget.
Again, you think your winning happens at the polls. It does not. The last four years are a lesson, if you will stop to learn it.
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Fixing deficit spending is not the same thing s fiscal conservatism - But:
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A lot of stuttering, but not one shred of proof.
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Biden announces payments of $1,400 will begin this month
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/541969-biden-announces-payments-of-1400-will-begin-in-march
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A lot of stuttering, but not one shred of proof.
Every single thing you offered is either funded by the government for the government, Or is funded by the lobby seeking same.
Turn off the money hose and see what happens. Power goes away. government necessarily grows smaller... And less powerful, and less of an attraction to those seeking power.
It ALL starts in the money. The very best guardian of liberty is a government too small to take it from you. That IS fiscal conservatism, and to a degree, libertarianism.
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LOL!
No, sir! At this point, it isn't real money.
But what about my original point...voting against it automatically reinforces the perception that the GOP doesn't give a shit about the little average guy....going into the all important mid-terms.
@DCPatriot
The alleged Republican and Democrat games remind me a lot of the games played by the Washington Generals,and the Harlem Globetrotters. There is always a lot of jumping,throwing the ball around,and shouting,but we all know who is going to win.
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Biden announces payments of $1,400 will begin this month
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/541969-biden-announces-payments-of-1400-will-begin-in-march
Taxable? This is a very small band-aid as to what's needed; job creation. Instead Sloe Joe is creating more debt, raising taxes, and more and more people will be out of work as he allows hundreds of thousands of illegals and refugees into the country while hiking the minimum wage, destroying jobs.
Inflation, skyrocketing prices, and a system designed to cater to the newbies in this country is what we have to look forward to. Good luck with holding onto your wallets; he's already taken it out of your back pockets.
Meanwhile, the GOP completely died along with our Republic when SCOTUS looked the other way.
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LOL!
No, sir! At this point, it isn't real money.
But what about my original point...voting against it automatically reinforces the perception that the GOP doesn't give a shit about the little average guy....going into the all important mid-terms.
For the most part, we can deal with Pres. Biden's ruling by Executive Order. Just like he's dealing with Pres. Trump's. Stroke of a pen....gone!
What we can't have is a Democrat Majority come 2023.
Sign it. I would like an Nikon 85mm 1.4 G Keep the economy going strong!! @roamer_1
Seriously? Worried about the GOP appearing not to give a shic*t about the average Joe??
#1 They need to be getting their act together to ensure a fair election or every single one of them except perhaps for the RINO's will be ousted.
#2 How about the GOP actually opposing the DEM runaway spending and work on proposing a JOBS bill??
#3 The GOP is DOA; SCOTUS destroyed our Republic.
3rd Party/insert new gov't Yep, I get it, that's not what Trump wants. Big deal. That IS what's needed; otherwise the same old swamp creatures will continue to rule.
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I think the Senate Parliamentarian took the minimum wage $hit out of the bill.
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Again, you think your winning happens at the polls. It does not. The last four years are a lesson, if you will stop to learn it.
I am as big of a defict hawk as you are, but still haven't heard one solution.
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I am as big of a defict hawk as you are, but still haven't heard one solution.
Anyone else see a plausible solution other than inserting a new party/gov't? The ballot box is broken folks and '22 will be a repeat of the past stolen election.
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I think the Senate Parliamentarian took the minimum wage $hit out of the bill.
Ok ... plain and simple. The GOP should OPPOSE everything that the DEMS propose. You know darn well that anything the DEMS are planning is going to further destroy this country.
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Seriously? Worried about the GOP appearing not to give a shic*t about the average Joe??
#1 They need to be getting their act together to ensure a fair election or every single one of them except perhaps for the RINO's will be ousted.
#2 How about the GOP actually opposing the DEM runaway spending and work on proposing a JOBS bill??
#3 The GOP is DOA; SCOTUS destroyed our Republic.
3rd Party/insert new gov't Yep, I get it, that's not what Trump wants. Big deal. That IS what's needed; otherwise the same old swamp creatures will continue to rule.
Whatever it is, it won't succeed with Trump sucking the air out of every room, the 2016 GOP campaign proved that.
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Biden announces payments of $1,400 will begin this month
So they could have had $2,000 from Trump but voted instead for $1,400 from Biden? Idiots.
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So they could have had $2,000 from Trump but voted instead for $1,400 from Biden? Idiots.
If they just went for broke they could change it to $3.8 and fix it.
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Really? Fix deficit spending and we fix the cancel culture, stop tearing down statues of our legacy, stop burning books?
Yes. The ones tearing down statues, canceling culture, and burning books are being subsidized with freshly printed federal dolllars.
Fix deficit spending and we stop insisting white people be less white, pay reparations, get on the back of every line, and apologize for their genetic code?
Yes. The ones advocating those things are being subsidized with freshly printed federal dollars.
Fix deficit spending and we fix election and voter fraud so our votes reflect the will of actual, living American citizens and our government is no longer for sale?
Vote fraud is a State issue, made possible with the influx of freshly printed federal dollars.
Fix deficit spending and we reattach our justice system and rule of law to the United States Constitution?
Our justice system is in tatters because our federal government funds the challenges to it with freshly printed federal dollars. Where do you think Planned Parenthood lawyers get their money?
Fix deficit spending and the Dreamers aren't rewarded with citizenship, unaccompanied minors are not moved into your neighborhood, and red states are not intentionally overrun by a new majority voting bloc?
Dreamers are being rewarded and unaccompanied minors are being moved with freshly printed federal dollars.
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I am as big of a defict hawk as you are, but still haven't heard one solution.
Give instruction to every department head that they can pocket 1% of every unspent dollar at the end of the fiscal year, from which they pay out bonuses accordingly.
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Give instruction to every department head that they can pocket 1% of every unspent dollar at the end of the fiscal year, from which they pay out bonuses accordingly.
Can't we just cancel departments instead?
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I am as big of a defict hawk as you are, but still haven't heard one solution.
The solution is to stand on what is true and fight for it.
Somehow Republicans got it sold to em that they must compromise to win. And somehow now, self identified conservatives are saying the same. The same tired old bullcrap... There IS NO Republican platform - it changes like the wind. There is no basis for unity beyond candy thrown from the front of the parade.
It has been exactly thus since Reagan's left foot stepped across the threshold for the last time.
Then look at the Democrats - They don't compromise for sh*t. Every time they get a chance they are swinging for the bleachers. And they are successful - Not through compromise. Through standing their damn ground. There are damn few moderates in the democrat party. End to end liberal all the way, with the far left going full on commie.
They are winning. And the reason they are winning is because y'all let em. Because your party is full to brimming with people that will not fight for what you want. There is no orthodoxy. there is no banner. There is no focus... Because it really ain't your damn party at all. And STILL y'all compromise. And STILL y'all mumble bullsh*t and believe bullsh*t about how Conservatism can't win. That you must swallow your pride and selfishess and toe some line or the other that AIN'T but a pittance of what you believe. The starving pavlovian dog taking treats from his master's hand, afraid of the democrat stick...
Have the balls to stand. Live or die, I will be standing right damn here. You know it. I know you do because you have been right alongside me going on decades. Not just in fiscal matters, but in all matters.
Compromise does not win. When has it ever? Did flushing our fiscal brethren under the bus gain anything? How about libertarianism? Looking the other way while big government does whatever it will from both sides of the aisle? How is there gain in that? For a few morsels, temporary sugary treats, y'all have lost the will to stand upon your birthright and fight for what is right and TRUE.
And therein lies the lesson. What did you win REALLY? A fist full of moderate judges, a dug in moderate hierarchy, A bunch of EOs, now all gone, and all it cost was 20 trillion bucks. And four more years of lollygagging. Where is the win? Did the ball move to the right? NO. Did the government grow less powerful and less intrusive? NO. Are you paying less? NO.
You got nothing. How much better to actually be standing on principle and lose anyway. At least you go down fighting for hallowed ground. At least you do no harm.
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The art of the steal is the base.
The base is selfishness.
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The art of the steal is the base.
The base is selfishness.
The way to herd cats is to put out a plate of tuna.
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The way to herd cats is to put out a plate of tuna.
is one of those how to disguise a claymore things
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy8HPSIFXEM
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Ok ... plain and simple. The GOP should OPPOSE everything that the DEMS propose.
@libertybele
I think we all understand that as much as we understand they are not going to do it because it would be "bad for their business" of selling favors for cash and other prizes.
Been WAAAY too much "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours"going on for that to happen.
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Ok ... plain and simple. The GOP should OPPOSE everything that the DEMS propose. You know darn well that anything the DEMS are planning is going to further destroy this country.
Are you kidding? We couldn't even get them to oppose $1.9 trillion in taxpayer-funded political payoffs to Democrat interest groups for the next two Presidential elections.
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The nasty part is they have a TRILLION DOLLARS left over from the last bill that went for 5.9 Trillion. This is an America hating democrat party utilizing the cloward Piven maneuver to stress the system until it is irreparably broken. It worked to seize dictatorial power to turn Germany over to the Nazis. Gun control and a ruthless dictatorship followed, the Nazi party. From what i am seeing of Pelosi and associates, they want a more extreme government than the Nazi's had. With the ultra-rich, they want to create food rationing too.
The inhuman monsters are in charge, denial accomplished this along with turning away from God.
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Can't we just cancel departments instead?
Eliminating departments would require legislative action. Refusing to spend money would not. I see no hope in a legislative solution. It is up to the Executive Branch to hold the line.
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Eliminating departments would require legislative action. Refusing to spend money would not. I see no hope in a legislative solution. It is up to the Executive Branch to hold the line.
@Hooda
Me,either. Eliminating departments would result in the job loss of too many relatives for that to ever happen.
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Eliminating departments would require legislative action. Refusing to spend money would not. I see no hope in a legislative solution. It is up to the Executive Branch to hold the line.
Actually, in the end, the ONLY thing that can truly fix it is a Congress with a Republican CONSERVATIVE super-majority, jealous of Congressional power... And that across several election cycles.
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Yes. The ones tearing down statues, canceling culture, and burning books are being subsidized with freshly printed federal dolllars.
Yes. The ones advocating those things are being subsidized with freshly printed federal dollars.
Vote fraud is a State issue, made possible with the influx of freshly printed federal dollars.
Our justice system is in tatters because our federal government funds the challenges to it with freshly printed federal dollars. Where do you think Planned Parenthood lawyers get their money?
Dreamers are being rewarded and unaccompanied minors are being moved with freshly printed federal dollars.
So, is your plan to stop -- cold turkey -- every dollar spent by the federal government to assist a citizen of the United States?
Two questions for you: 1. What's the campaign slogan for this pointing-up and 2. Why hasn't any conservative politician, at any level, from any state, ever proposed this?
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Eliminating departments would require legislative action. Refusing to spend money would not. I see no hope in a legislative solution. It is up to the Executive Branch to hold the line.
Like Reagan did?
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Like Reagan did?
Uh, no. Reagan never did that. Wish he would have. But he didn't.