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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 24, 2017, 06:53:13 pm
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As a practical matter, he's probably right. If you grant some form of amnesty to people who were brought here as children and are now 18 or older, in exchange for border security and enforcing the laws against everyone else, that's a good tradeoff.
Only caveat I'd add is that nobody who came here illegally should be eligible for citizenship. Ever.
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As a practical matter, he's probably right. If you grant some form of amnesty to people who were brought here as children and are now 18 or older, in exchange for border security and enforcing the laws against everyone else, that's a good tradeoff.
Only caveat I'd add is that nobody who came here illegally should be eligible for citizenship. Ever.
Which means, no voting rights.
It seems to me.... that if the GOP just passed a bill and made it illegal for those dreamers (having been here illegally) to ever vote in US elections, that would solve much of the problem. If the illegals can't vote, the Democrats won't be so gung-ho to get them into the US. Take away the main leftist incentive for illegal immigration and things would quickly change. Right?
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Then you get into "taxation without representation" and it would take congress about 5 seconds to change that.
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Then you get into "taxation without representation" and it would take congress about 5 seconds to change that.
Well..... flooding the country with illegals.... ie people that will vote Democrat (for more free stuff) is essentially creating a "taxation without representation" scenario for anyone that is not a leftist Democrat. Just sayin....
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Then you get into "taxation without representation" and it would take congress about 5 seconds to change that.
You'd need Congress to pass a bill in the first place. And "no taxation without representation" only applies to citizens anyway. Otherwise, even legal immigrants wouldn't have to pay taxes, and clearly the Constiuttion doesn't require that everyone who pays taxes be given the ight to vote.
Hmmm. Come to think of it, maybe the best way to do this is to propose a Constitutional Amendment stating that no person who entered the country illegally can be granted citizenship or the right to vote. Make that the amnesty tradeoff, so it requires a supermajority to reverse, and Democrats can't get rid of just because they get control of Congress and the Presidency.
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Which means, no voting rights.
It seems to me.... that if the GOP just passed a bill and made it illegal for those dreamers (having been here illegally) to ever vote in US elections, that would solve much of the problem. If the illegals can't vote, the Democrats won't be so gung-ho to get them into the US. Take away the main leftist incentive for illegal immigration and things would quickly change. Right?
Illegals aren't supposed to vote anyway, we don't need a law for that.
If they are US citizens you cannot prevent them from voting. You cannot create a whole new second-class citizen category and think the courts wouldn't throw it out on arrival. I would toss that without a second thought.
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Then you get into "taxation without representation" and it would take congress about 5 seconds to change that.
or a court
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Then you get into "taxation without representation" and it would take congress about 5 seconds to change that.
That's my fear. We open the door just a little and they burst right in.
I can hear them now, "It is unfair to have them work and pay taxes, but not give them the right to vote".
Incrementalism.
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Plus we all saw the betrayal of his key promises coming a light-year away. The trumpslaining has begun early on this one.
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Illegals aren't supposed to vote anyway, we don't need a law for that.
If they are US citizens you cannot prevent them from voting. You cannot create a whole new second-class citizen category and think the courts wouldn't throw it out on arrival. I would toss that without a second thought.
Then don't give them citizenship, make the deal either leave the U.S. for nation of birth, apply for legal entry and then follow the same requirements as any other legal immigrant to apply for Citizenship OR accept the status of Permanent Legal Resident without the possibility of American Citizenship, ever. I'm kind of fed up with all the dual citizens from Mexico that vote in America and Mexico, people shouldn't have the right to vote in a foreign country whose policies affect Americans while being an American Citizen.
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Illegals aren't supposed to vote anyway, we don't need a law for that.
If they are US citizens you cannot prevent them from voting. You cannot create a whole new second-class citizen category and think the courts wouldn't throw it out on arrival. I would toss that without a second thought.
Newt Gingrich tried pushing the non voting citizen thing too. He was lying when he said it and yes, the supreme court would rule them eligible to vote inside of 6 months.
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Newt Gingrich tried pushing the non voting citizen thing too. He was lying when he said it and yes, the supreme court would rule them eligible to vote inside of 6 months.
even a conservative judge would have tossed that out
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Which means, no voting rights.
It seems to me.... that if the GOP just passed a bill and made it illegal for those dreamers (having been here illegally) to ever vote in US elections, that would solve much of the problem. If the illegals can't vote, the Democrats won't be so gung-ho to get them into the US. Take away the main leftist incentive for illegal immigration and things would quickly change. Right?
Right. IN fact, totally right. The left is always trolling for voters...the more ignorant and gullible the better.
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Then you get into "taxation without representation" and it would take congress about 5 seconds to change that.
Absolutely correct. They cannot ever be legitimized in any manner.
In the current political environment any such legitimization, regardless of the promises & guarantees made by its advocates, will lead them down a path that leads to only one place - citizenship and the vote.
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To be fair, this is closer to the Jeb! and McCain plan.
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Rush can try peddling this garbage, but it ain't going to sell.
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It's not really much of a surprise. Whatever Trump decided, Limbaugh would have gone with it.
Is he ever going to retire? I haven't listened to him in over a year, but he'd become unbelievably boring and repetitive. There's nothing fresh coming from him anymore.
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It's not really much of a surprise. Whatever Trump decided, Limbaugh would have gone with it.
Is he ever going to retire? I haven't listened to him in over a year, but he'd become unbelievably boring and repetitive. There's nothing fresh coming from him anymore.
My wife, who likes Trump a lot more than I do, has become a huge Rush fan. We are now both retired and mostly at home. If I don't turn him on, she will ask that I go do so. If I am downstairs on the treadmill when Rush comes on, she will ask me to stop and come upstairs to tune in to the website his show is on.
Rush has turned his show into a Trump adoration site. Adore Trump all the time. It's a wonder Rush occasionally loosens his lips from Trump's posterior to talk about other topics.
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We need a clickbait headline:
Limbaugh endorses SICK plan to replace Americans with Mexicans!
or something like that.
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As a practical matter, he's probably right. If you grant .., in exchange for ...
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As a practical matter, he's probably right. If you grant some form of amnesty to people who were brought here as children and are now 18 or older, in exchange for border security and enforcing the laws against everyone else, that's a good tradeoff.
Only caveat I'd add is that nobody who came here illegally should be eligible for citizenship. Ever.
I would not favor allowing them to stay. Have you seen the two caste systems created in the Middle Eastern countries, citizens who do little work and the immigrants who work and get little pay?
That is not the America we need. We have it now and it is no good for us. A festering sore that will only get worse as the workers watch the welfare recipients do little work in their laziness.
The only way I would allow any of them to stay is to allow them the opportunity to earn citizenship by military service to prove patriotism.
I would say it is likely the best indoctrination into being a US citizen as anything.
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It's not really much of a surprise. Whatever Trump decided, Limbaugh would have gone with it.
Is he ever going to retire? I haven't listened to him in over a year, but he'd become unbelievably boring and repetitive. There's nothing fresh coming from him anymore.
I dumped Limbaugh last year during the primaries and canceled my 24/7 when it became obvious that Trump was the one he was waiting for. Rush excoriated a caller who said she could never vote for him if he was the nominee. Rush actually accused her of voting for Hillary - and that is when the dial was changed and I never went back.
I've actually killed all of talk radio in my house and canceled Levin's TV subscription also.
I'm done with shock jocks that talk a big game, then comes election it's push for the Plantation - or be declared a traitor.
The whole nation has gone batshiite crazy and I have no desire to be propagandized by any of them.
I only read my information now and make sure my own opinions are my own and not regurgitated from some entertainment blowhard who has succumbed to Leftism and or deceived his audience of their true principles.
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I dumped Limbaugh last year during the primaries and canceled my 24/7 when it became obvious that Trump was the one he was waiting for. Rush excoriated a caller who said she could never vote for him if he was the nominee. Rush actually accused her of voting for Hillary - and that is when the dial was changed and I never went back.
I've actually killed all of talk radio in my house and canceled Levin's TV subscription also.
I'm done with shock jocks that talk a big game, then comes election it's push for the Plantation - or be declared a traitor.
The whole nation has gone batshiite crazy and I have no desire to be propagandized by any of them.
I only read my information now and make sure my own opinions are my own and not regurgitated from some entertainment blowhard who has succumbed to Leftism and or deceived his audience of their true principles.
I prefer the rational people that I might disagree with to the irrational who can't accept disagreement. (Tom Nichols is a good follow on twitter https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom)
I see people quoting infowars and calling everything else "Fake news" and I have to laugh at such utter stupidity. FOX news went straight to the bottom of the barrel when they gave Trump a platform to lie without question. Nothing disgusts me more than Trump supporters who know full well that Trump is a compulsive and blatant liar but have abandoned their ethics and attack those who tell them unpopular truths.
Despite the appearance of confidence in the media and in congress, I know for a fact that concern is growing fast and support for Trump in congress is about as solid as jello.
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I dumped Limbaugh last year during the primaries and canceled my 24/7 when it became obvious that Trump was the one he was waiting for. Rush excoriated a caller who said she could never vote for him if he was the nominee. Rush actually accused her of voting for Hillary - and that is when the dial was changed and I never went back.
I've actually killed all of talk radio in my house and canceled Levin's TV subscription also.
I'm done with shock jocks that talk a big game, then comes election it's push for the Plantation - or be declared a traitor.
The whole nation has gone batshiite crazy and I have no desire to be propagandized by any of them.
I only read my information now and make sure my own opinions are my own and not regurgitated from some entertainment blowhard who has succumbed to Leftism and or deceived his audience of their true principles.
Lost access to the talking heads networks when I downgraded my cable to the bare minimum. And no more talk radio either. I'm a much happier, calmer person as a result.
A number of these talkers who are in the tank for Trump now are in for a rude awakening when they realize their savior has conned them. Rush is probably financially solvent enough to retire, but for most of the others, their livelihood will be severely impaired. They might actually have to work at a real job.
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I see people quoting infowars . . .
Side note here - I apologize for getting off track.
What does it mean when Alex Jones suddenly doesn't seem so crazy anymore? It's one of those trends I've noticed lately and it causes a person to stop give the situation some serious thought. It could mean people are simply paying more attention lately and they've come to the realization big government is not all they claimed it would be. On the other hand it could mean more and more people are gravitating toward the extreme. Maybe a combination of the two, I don't know, but it sure makes a guy wonder.
Sorry for the diversion, just a thought.
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Side note here - I apologize for getting off track.
What does it mean when Alex Jones suddenly doesn't seem so crazy anymore? It's one of those trends I've noticed lately and it causes a person to stop give the situation some serious thought. It could mean people are simply paying more attention lately and they've come to the realization big government is not all they claimed it would be. On the other hand it could mean more and more people are gravitating toward the extreme. Maybe a combination of the two, I don't know, but it sure makes a guy wonder.
Sorry for the diversion, just a thought.
He seems just as crazy as he always has because he is.
Cultural degeneration only seems normal to those who have decided to embrace it and ride it to the bottom.
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The idea that there is no objective truth anymore is imo a recipe for disaster.
And yes, liberals started it.
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The idea that there is no objective truth anymore is imo a recipe for disaster.
And yes, liberals started it.
I remember when less than a decade ago conservatives had a field day with Michael Moore's comment about "His version of the truth" and today we have a GOP white house spouting "alternative facts".
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Dreamers - The Numbers Game
I have no doubt Liberals are playing a numbers game. If you import hundreds of thousands of future Democrat voters you guarantee a sustained power base for years to come. Some estimates show that by 2022 these new voters will have created a Brick Wall voting block impossible to defeat if we continue along at the current trend.
It's all about the Electoral College at the end of the day. Take a state like Texas that one would think would always vote Republican. But if you look at a county by county map of voting record you see the major cities voted blue, as did the Rio Grande valley. Area-wise the blue spots are a small percentage, but numbers-wise they are huge.
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Democrats can read a map too. If they load up the blue areas with imported voters they will overpower the red areas by sheer numbers. By 2022 Texas is not a sure lock to vote red.
The same is true with the United States as a whole. The US map looks similar to the Texas map in that it is predominantly red area-wise. But the blue specks scattered here and there have monster numbers. It's all a big numbers game.
Every time you hear the bleeding hearts cry about compassion, charity and tolerance just think about the map. That's exactly what the Democrats are doing. In my opinion they don't give a flying duck about compassion, charity and tolerance. They're simply playing the numbers game.