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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: SirLinksALot on February 14, 2017, 04:03:08 am
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SOURCE: CNN
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TWEET FROM BRIAN STELTER, CNN HOST OF @ReliableSources:
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MORE HERE: http://www.kmbc.com/article/michael-flynn-resigns-amid-russia-controversy/8777525 (http://www.kmbc.com/article/michael-flynn-resigns-amid-russia-controversy/8777525)
National Security Adviser Michael Flynn resigns over contacts with Russia
Embattled White House national security adviser Michael Flynn resigned Monday night, two sources tell CNN.
His departure came just after reports surfaced the Justice Department warned the Trump administration last month that Flynn misled administration officials regarding his communications with the Russian ambassador to the United States and was potentially vulnerable to blackmail by the Russians.
The move comes less than a month into the job, making him one of the shortest-serving senior presidential advisers in modern history.
The sudden exit marks the most public display yet of disarray at the highest levels of the new administration, which has faced repeated questions over a slew of controversies and reports of infighting among senior aides during its first three weeks.
The shakeup now leaves Trump without one of his closest and longest-serving advisers. Flynn had counseled Trump on foreign policy and national security matters since early in the 2016 presidential race.
Flynn was not able to definitively refute a Washington Post story late last week that his conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak included communication about the sanctions. It is illegal for unauthorized private citizens to negotiate with foreign governments on behalf of the US.
The controversy intensified after the report put Pence and several senior White House advisers in an uncomfortable position, as they had denied in TV interviews weeks earlier that Flynn discussed sanctions with the ambassador. Some administration officials said Flynn must have misled Pence and others.
"The knives are out," a White House official told CNN on Friday, noting that "there's a lot of unhappiness about this."
Many expressed concern at the idea that Flynn, a retired lieutenant general who headed the Defense Intelligence Agency, would discuss sanctions with a foreign official whose calls are regularly monitored by US intelligence and law enforcement agencies.
A US official confirmed to CNN on Friday that Flynn and Kislyak did speak about sanctions, among other matters, during a December call.
But after the call was made public, Pence told CBS News on January 15 that Flynn did not talk with Kislyak about the sanctions, which the Obama administration recently levied due to Russia's alleged interference in the 2016 elections.
"They did not discuss anything having to do with the United States' decision to expel diplomats or impose censure against Russia," Pence told CBS News.
On Friday, an aide close to the national security adviser told CNN that Flynn could not rule out that he spoke about sanctions on the call.
The White House official blamed much of the outcry against Flynn on a Washington culture always in search of a scalp, but people within Trump's orbit did little to defend Flynn during appearances on Sunday news shows.
Stephen Miller, White House policy director, was asked directly about Flynn's future on a number of Sunday talk shows. Miller responded by saying he was not the appropriate official to ask.
"I don't have any answers today," Miller said in response to questions about whether Flynn misled the vice president. "I don't have any information one way or another to add anything to the conversation."
CNN's Jim Acosta and Dan Merica contributed to this report.
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Now this (linked from the CNN resignation banner).
White House was warned Flynn could be blackmailed by Russia
The Justice Department warned the Trump administration last month that Michael Flynn misled administration officials regarding his communications with the Russian ambassador to the United States and was potentially vulnerable to blackmail by the Russians, a person familiar with the matter told CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/michael-flynn-justice-department-warning/index.html
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Things sure move fast, cause 3 hours ago, he was fine.
KELLYANNE CONWAY: Yes, General Flynn does enjoy the full confidence of the president. This is a big leap for General Flynn, he is the point of contact for many of these foreign visits. If you look at the official schedule today we had the Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau here. Obviously for bilateral meetings. On Wednesday, we're welcoming [Prime Minister of Israel] Benjamin Netanyhau here to the White House.
And behind the scenes they are doing a number of different meetings where they are doing trade, they are talking about terrorism, security, the fact that Canada and the U.S. are very important neighbors to each other and will continue to be and obviously that the National Security Advisor is a point person in those discussions.
General Flynn has said that he cannot recall and that he had about 30 phone calls with leaders at the time and since then 70, I am told, with different leaders. And I will just leave it at that.
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MORE HERE: National security adviser Flynn resigns, reports say
http://www.ktre.com/story/32414943/national-security-adviser-flynn-resigns-reports-say (http://www.ktre.com/story/32414943/national-security-adviser-flynn-resigns-reports-say)
(RNN) - Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the president's national security adviser, has resigned, CNN is reporting.
On Friday, The Washington Post reported that Flynn addressed sanctions against Russia in a call with Russian's ambassador to the U.S.
The report contradicted Trump officials, including Vice President Mike Pence, who vouched for Flynn in a television interview based off information given to him by Flynn.
Flynn later apologized to Pence, accord to the Associated Press.
Flynn admitted to some administration officials that sanctions may have come up in the calls, which came in at the same time that the Obama administration was slapping penalties on Russia for election-related hacking.
The AP reported that Justice Department officials told the White House weeks ago that Flynn's contacts could leave him in a "compromised position."
Flynn was chosen by Donald Trump for the national security adviser position shortly after the election, and he bypassed Senate confirmation, taking on the job immediately after inauguration.
He was one of Trump’s biggest backers and spoke on his behalf at the Republican National Convention.
Flynn worked in the Obama Administration and was considered as a running mate for Trump before the billionaire selected Mike Pence.
The retired three-star general, a registered Democrat, served as Trump's adviser on Islamic State, Iran and the military. His 2012 to 2014 tenure at the Defense Intelligence Agency, which functions as the main foreign U.S. military espionage organization, was troubled, and he butted heads with the Obama administration before being forced out.
A 33-year veteran of the U.S. Army, Flynn served several tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He was commissioned in 1981 as a second lieutenant in military intelligence.
While head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, he was also commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance and the chair of the Military Intelligence Board.
Flynn advised Gen. Stanley McChrystal in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to his Leading Authorities speaking biography. He also served as the assistant director of National Intelligence for Partner Engagement; the director of intelligence for the Joint Special Operations Command; and the senior intelligence adviser for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Admiral Mike Mullen.
He held assignments supporting the Cold War; operations Urgent Fury, Uphold Democracy, Desert Shield, Desert Storm, Desert Thunder II, Desert Fox, Enduring Freedom, Iraqi Freedom and other classified operations.
Flynn is the author of The Field of Fight: How We Can Win the Global War Against Radical Islam and Its Allies.
He graduated from the University of Rhode Island in 1981.
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"The retired three-star general, a registered Democrat,"
There's the problem.
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Even the Ruskies tried to save his hide with an earlier statement denying sanctions were discussed.
That still leaves at least Bannon and Tillerson as possible contacts within the administration.
Chock 1 up for Pelosi, who was calling for his resignation/firing this morning.
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Even the Ruskies tried to save his hide with an earlier statement denying sanctions were discussed.
That still leaves at least Bannon and Tillerson as possible contacts within the administration.
Chock 1 up for Pelosi, who was calling for his resignation/firing this morning.
Yea but she only did that because he left the reservation and went to work for a non DNC member. It's like a union. They call out the kneecappers when you don't stay loyal.
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- BREAKING NEWS -
TRUMP'S NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER MICHAEL FLYNN RESIGNS; TRUMP NAMES LT. GEN. JOSEPH KEITH KELLOGG JR. AS ACTING NATIONAL SECURTIY ADVISER
Fox.
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Flynn brought all this on himself and the President did the right thing. An advisor cannot lie to his/her bosses. Period.
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To: Steven W. Zeke Miller @ZekeJMiller · 1m1 minute ago More BREAKING: POTUS names Keith Kellogg as acting National Security Advisor
“Keith Kellogg Jr., known as Keith Kellogg, is a retired general officer in the United States Army. President Donald Trump put Kellogg in charge of the presidential transition agency action team for defense.” -- Wikepedia
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You'd think of all people the head of the NSA would 'know' his conversations with the Ruskies were being recorded, he is indeed a DEM bulb.
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You'd think of all people the head of the NSA would 'know' his conversations with the Ruskies were being recorded, he is indeed a DEM bulb.
Two possibilities:
1: He is a Dem so he's an idiot by definition that got promoted up through the ranks on the Peter Principle as most Democrats do.
2: He's a Dem so maybe it was his job to sabotage a non DNC president. They often put party before country. Sorry, did I say 'often'? I meant "ALWAYS".
Being a Dem it really could go either way.
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FWIW at this point:
Fox News - 3m3 minutes ago UPDATE: U.S. Navy Vice Admiral Bob Harward is the leading candidate to replace Flynn as national security adviser, @johnrobertsFox reports
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/bios/navybio.asp?bioID=338
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This guy has been a loose cannon and all around moron for a while. Glad he's gone.
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Flynn brought all this on himself and the President did the right thing. An advisor cannot lie to his/her bosses. Period.
Zero disagreement here. Right thing to do.
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Two possibilities:
1: He is a Dem so he's an idiot by definition that got promoted up through the ranks on the Peter Principle as most Democrats do.
2: He's a Dem so maybe it was his job to sabotage a non DNC president. They often put party before country. Sorry, did I say 'often'? I meant "ALWAYS".
Being a Dem it really could go either way.
It's 1.
Though it wasn't really the Peter Principle at work - he's a smooth bastard, very charming, and very good at stealing credit.
(Yes, I have worked with - or rather despite - him)
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"The retired three-star general, a registered Democrat,"
There's the problem.
Because Trump is a Democrat.
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He saved the administration a lot of wasted time if this had to go through a whole ethics process
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Because Trump is a Democrat.
I'm so glad for this. I was so sick of winning!
The humiliating immigration-ban defeat had helped a bit, but it just wasn't enough.
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Chock 1 up for Pelosi, who was calling for his resignation/firing this morning.
People on the inside probably knew it was coming, she probably knew it when she "called for it"
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Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn resigns (https://www.yahoo.com/news/embattled-national-security-advisers-fate-uncertain-082522705--politics.html)
By JULIE PACE, ERIC TUCKER and JILL COLVIN
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump's embattled national security adviser Michael Flynn resigned late Monday night,
following reports that he had misled Vice President Mike Pence and other officials about his contacts with Russia. His departure upends
Trump's senior team after less than one month in office.
In a resignation letter, Flynn said he gave Vice President Mike Pence and others "incomplete information" about his calls with Russia's
ambassador to the U.S. The vice president, apparently relying on information from Flynn, initially said the national security adviser
had not discussed sanctions with the Russian envoy, though Flynn later conceded the issue may have come up.
Trump named retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg as the acting national security adviser. Kellogg had previously been appointed the National
Security Council chief of staff and advised Trump during the campaign. Trump is also considering former CIA Director David Petraeus
and Vice Admiral Robert Harward, a U.S. Navy SEAL, for the post, according to a senior administration official.
The Trump team's account of Flynn's discussions with the Russian envoy changed repeatedly over several weeks, including the number
of contacts, the dates of those contacts and ultimately, the content of the conversations.
Late last month, the Justice Department warned the White House that Flynn could be in a compromised position as a result of the
contradictions between the public depictions of the calls and what intelligence officials knew to be true based on recordings of the
conversations, which were picked up as part of routine monitoring of foreign officials communications in the U.S.
A U.S. official told The Associated Press that Flynn was in frequent contact with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak on the day the Obama
administration slapped sanctions on Russia for election-related hacking, as well as at other times during the transition.
An administration official and two people with knowledge of the situation confirmed the Justice Department warnings on the condition
of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. It was unclear when Trump and Pence learned about
the Justice Department outreach.
The Washington Post was the first to report the communication between former acting attorney general Sally Yates, a holdover from
the Obama administration, and the Trump White House. The Post also first reported last week that Flynn had indeed spoken about
sanctions with the Russian ambassador.
Trump never voiced public support for Flynn after that initial report, but continued to keep his national security adviser close. Flynn
spent the weekend at Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate and was in the president's daily briefing and calls with foreign leaders Monday. He
sat in the front row of Trump's news conference with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau Monday afternoon.
White House officials sent contradictory messages about Flynn's status throughout the day. Counselor Kellyanne Conway said Trump
had "full confidence" in Flynn, while spokesman Sean Spicer said the president was "evaluating the situation" and consulting with
Pence about his conversations with the national security adviser.
Asked whether the president had been aware that Flynn might have planned to discuss sanctions with the Russian envoy, Spicer said,
"No, absolutely not."
Flynn's discussions with the Russian raised questions about whether he offered assurances about the incoming administration's new
approach. Such conversations would breach diplomatic protocol and possibly violate the Logan Act, a law aimed at keeping citizens from
conducting diplomacy.
Administration officials said misleading Pence was ultimately Flynn's downfall, though they insisted he resigned and was not fired by
Trump.
Flynn was spotted near the Oval Office just after 10 p.m. Monday. As uncertainty about his future swirled, several of the president's
top advisers, including chief of staff Reince Priebus and counsel Don McGahn, ducked in and out of late-night meetings in the West
Wing.
California Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said Flynn's resignation "does not end questions
over his contacts with the Russians." He said the White House has yet to be forthcoming about whether Flynn was acting at the behest
of the president or others.
Flynn's resignation comes as Trump and his top advisers seek to steady the White House after a rocky start. The president, who seeks
input from a wide range of business associates, friends and colleagues, has been asking people their opinions on his senior team,
including Spicer and chief of staff Reince Priebus.
Advisers have privately conceded that the White House spit out too many disparate messages in the first few weeks, though they also
note that the president's own tweets sometimes muddy the day's plans before most of the White House staff has arrived for work.
Trump voiced support for Priebus Monday, saying the chief of staff was doing, "not a good job, a great job." But he did not make a
similar show of support for his national security adviser.
Over the weekend, Trump told associates he was troubled by Flynn's situation, but did not say whether he planned to ask him to step
down, according to a person who spoke with him recently. Flynn was a loyal Trump supporter during the campaign, but he was viewed
skeptically by some in the administration's national security circles, in part because of his ties to Russia.
In 2015, Flynn was paid to attend a gala dinner for Russia Today, a Kremlin-backed television station, and sat next to Russian President
Vladimir Putin during the event.
Flynn apologized to Pence about the matter on Friday, according to an administration official. The official said Pence was relying on
information from Flynn when he went on television and denied that sanctions were discussed with Kislyak.
Kellogg takes the helm of the National Security Council at a time when the young administration is grappling with a series of national
security challenges, including North Korea's reported ballistic missile launch. The president, who was joined at his Mar-a-Lago estate
by Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe over the weekend, voiced solidarity with Japan.
The White House is also dealing with fallout from the rocky rollout of Trump's immigration executive order, which has been blocked by
the courts. The order was intended to suspend the nation's refugee program and bar citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries from
entering the United States.
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Associated Press writers Catherine Lucey and Matthew Daly in Washington and Jonathan Lemire in New York contributed to this report.
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Discussion here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,249106.msg1227318.html#msg1227318
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He's a security risk
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Is it really breaking if we have already been talking about it all night?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,249106.msg1227318.html#msg1227318
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Discussion here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,249106.msg1227318.html#msg1227318
That'll learn me to look in National News/Current Events first!
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Flynn brought all this on himself and the President did the right thing. An advisor cannot lie to his/her bosses. Period.
:thumbsup:
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What about KAC? Didn't she say Trump was 100% behind him?
Stephen Miller is next IMO. Little pipsqueak was sounding like a Bond Villian over the weekend.
Amateur hour.
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Some moron on here was calling him a good patriotic man or some such, too. They're apoplectic at FR.
Fools.
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I'm so glad for this. I was so sick of winning!
The humiliating immigration-ban defeat had helped a bit, but it just wasn't enough.
It would have been nice if someone had warned President Trump that leading the world might be a little challenging. Fortunately this will all be yesterday's news when President Trump proves Clinton stole New Hampshire.
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Presidents Bannon and Putin accepted?
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Flynn was wrong in what he did, but he should look upon this incident and job loss as a blessing. I doubt Trump would have paid much attention to his advice anyway.
This morning, David Petraeus was mentioned as a possible replacement. Half expected Steve Bannon to be named Not sure which would be worse.
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Presidents Bannon and Putin accepted?
000hehehehe
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Merged two threads on same topic.
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Some moron on here was calling him a good patriotic man or some such, too. They're apoplectic at FR.
Fools.
He is good patriotic man and you are the fool and moron. You all disgust me. I am done with you and your miserable ilk.
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He is good patriotic man and you are the fool and moron. You all disgust me. I am done with you and your miserable ilk.
Go back to your ready made safespace at FreeRepublic, Snowflake.
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That's enough. Cut out the namecalling.
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This guy has been a loose cannon and all around moron for a while. Glad he's gone.
He always reminded me of Colonel Flagg from MASH.
@Mod1 - was that out of bounds?
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He is good patriotic man and you are the fool and moron. You all disgust me. I am done with you and your miserable ilk.
I understand your feelings @beandog. This "Trump Resistance" here is getting sickening - we have a President that is trying to fix the things we've been complaining about for years - and the NoFlakes here just can't let it go. This site is polluted with them - and they serve no useful purpose, except to eventually run people off.
Criticize the president when he does something wrong - but to use left-wing sources to fuel their hatred - to do nothing but slop the same old tiring, childish mantras - over and over and over and over.....
What admirer of Ronald Reagan wants to wade through that garbage every day and on almost every thread?
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I understand your feelings @beandog. This "Trump Resistance" here is getting sickening - we have a President that is trying to fix the things we've been complaining about for years - and the NoFlakes here just can't let it go. This site is polluted with them - and they serve no useful purpose, except to eventually run people off.
Criticize the president when he does something wrong - but to use left-wing sources to fuel their hatred - to do nothing but slop the same old tiring, childish mantras - over and over and over and over.....
What admirer of Ronald Reagan wants to wade through that garbage every day and on almost every thread?
/snicker
Run out of material to use to slander TBR and @mystery-ak again?
Truly pathetic.
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/snicker
Run out of material to use to slander TBR and @mystery-ak again?
Truly pathetic.
As pathetic as claiming criticism of a few is an attack on @mystery-ak?
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Can someone tell me just what exactly Flynn did wrong? It seems to me he his a victim of fake news. I am disappointed that Trump canned him over fake news. There must be something that I am missing.
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Can someone tell me just what exactly Flynn did wrong? It seems to me he his a victim of fake news. I am disappointed that Trump canned him over fake news. There must be something that I am missing.
Talked out of turn to some extent or other, then lied about it.
Pretty open and shut.
And please don't use the "Well, the Dems did it" excuse. We're not Dems.
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Can someone tell me just what exactly Flynn did wrong? It seems to me he his a victim of fake news. I am disappointed that Trump canned him over fake news. There must be something that I am missing.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/cia_broke_the_law_to_take_out_its_critic_general_flynn.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/cia_broke_the_law_to_take_out_its_critic_general_flynn.html)
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Talked out of turn to some extent or other, then lied about it.
Pretty open and shut.
And please don't use the "Well, the Dems did it" excuse. We're not Dems.
I didn't see him use that excuse.
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Can someone tell me just what exactly Flynn did wrong? It seems to me he his a victim of fake news. I am disappointed that Trump canned him over fake news. There must be something that I am missing.
He potentially violated the Logan Act. A law that's been on the books for almost as long as there has been a USA.
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Talked out of turn to some extent or other, then lied about it.
Pretty open and shut.
And please don't use the "Well, the Dems did it" excuse. We're not Dems.
And the lied about it is what did him in! As usual!
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As pathetic as claiming criticism of a few is an attack on @mystery-ak?
It's the old stand-by canard used by several in here whenever truth is spoken to power.
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He is good patriotic man and you are the fool and moron. You all disgust me. I am done with you and your miserable ilk.
He is a warrior! And we will get some REMF as a replacement. If you don't know what an REMF is google it!
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He is a warrior! And we will get some REMF as a replacement. If you don't know what an REMF is google it!
Geez....one would think there is more than one qualified individual out there that would make a terrific National Security Advisor.
What's the big deal here?
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Can someone tell me just what exactly Flynn did wrong? It seems to me he his a victim of fake news. I am disappointed that Trump canned him over fake news. There must be something that I am missing.
If it is fake news, then he just lied in his resignation letter where he admits what was accused. You can't just throw the accusation of 'fake news' out there every time you don't like something. His own words should be the end of the guesses, speculation, and arm chair punditry.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2017/02/13/text-of-national-security-advisor-mike-flynns-resignation-letter/
February 13, 2017
In the course of my duties as the incoming National Security Advisor, I held numerous phone calls with foreign counterparts, ministers, and ambassadors. These calls were to facilitate a smooth transition and begin to build the necessary relationships between the President, his advisors and foreign leaders. Such calls are standard practice in any transition of this magnitude.
Unfortunately, because of the fast pace of events, I inadvertently briefed the Vice President Elect and others with incomplete information regarding my phone calls with the Russian Ambassador. I have sincerely apologized to the President and the Vice President, and they have accepted my apology
Throughout my over thirty three years of honorable military service, and my tenure as the National Security Advisor, I have always performed my duties with the utmost of integrity and honesty to those I have served, to include the President of the United States.
I am tendering my resignation, honored to have served our nation and the American people in such a distinguished way.
I am also extremely honored to have served President Trump, who in just three weeks, has reoriented American foreign policy in fundamental ways to restore America's leadership position in the world.
As I step away once again from serving my nation in this current capacity, I wish to thank President Trump for his personal loyalty, the friendship of those who I worked with throughout the hard fought campaign, the challenging period of transition, and during the early days of his presidency.
I know with the strong leadership of President Donald J. Trump and Vice President Mike Pence and the superb team they are assembling, this team will go down in history as one of the greatest presidencies in U.S. history, and I firmly believe the American people will be well served as they all work together to help Make America Great Again.
Michael T. Flynn, LTG (Ret)
Assistant to the President/National Security Advisor
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He is a warrior! And we will get some REMF as a replacement. If you don't know what an REMF is google it!
They better not! I want to hear what Trump has to say about this - this is how they will destroy anyone in his adminstration that they really fear - how much you want to bet that Steve Bannon is next on their list?
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Geez....one would think there is more than one qualified individual out there that would make a terrific National Security Advisor.
What's the big deal here?
I've spelled it out as plainly as I'm going to! If you don't know what an REMF is try google!
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They better not! I want to hear what Trump has to say about this - this is how they will destroy anyone in his adminstration that they really fear - how much you want to bet that Steve Bannon is next on their list?
Flynn destroyed himself. Bannon is an incompetent boob and should go next, but Trump will probably keep him for a little longer.
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They better not! I want to hear what Trump has to say about this - this is how they will destroy anyone in his adminstration that they really fear - how much you want to bet that Steve Bannon is next on their list?
Now that there is blood in the water the assault will be relentless 24/7/365.
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I've spelled it out as plainly as I'm going to! If you don't know what an REMF is try google!
My post wasn't to you....it was just an opinion. :patriot:
And I'm aware of what an REMF is.
Flynn isn't the only saving Grace out there for this position.
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Now that there is blood in the water the assault will be relentless 24/7/365.
Totally agree!
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He is a warrior! And we will get some REMF as a replacement. If you don't know what an REMF is google it!
Okay, I looked it up @Bigun Can't tell if this would be good or bad news :laugh:
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I understand your feelings @beandog. This "Trump Resistance" here is getting sickening - we have a President that is trying to fix the things we've been complaining about for years - and the NoFlakes here just can't let it go. This site is polluted with them - and they serve no useful purpose, except to eventually run people off.
Criticize the president when he does something wrong - but to use left-wing sources to fuel their hatred - to do nothing but slop the same old tiring, childish mantras - over and over and over and over.....
What admirer of Ronald Reagan wants to wade through that garbage every day and on almost every thread?
Bump! Bump! Bump! What she said!
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Now that there is blood in the water the assault will be relentless 24/7/365.
Like the assaults weren't already relentless 24/7/365?
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Flynn destroyed himself.
Nothing more needs to be said.
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Bump! Bump! Bump! What she said!
:beer:
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Okay, I looked it up @Bigun Can't tell if this would be good or bad news :laugh:
It's not so much about Flynn as it is about how the media will see it. Farting too loud in Church will now be a firing offence and the assault will be never ending!
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I understand your feelings @beandog. This "Trump Resistance" here is getting sickening - we have a President that is trying to fix the things we've been complaining about for years - and the NoFlakes here just can't let it go. This site is polluted with them - and they serve no useful purpose, except to eventually run people off.
Criticize the president when he does something wrong - but to use left-wing sources to fuel their hatred - to do nothing but slop the same old tiring, childish mantras - over and over and over and over.....
What admirer of Ronald Reagan wants to wade through that garbage every day and on almost every thread?
:thumbsup3: @alicewonders
Please, @beandog stay. Your voice is needed.
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I've spelled it out as plainly as I'm going to! If you don't know what an REMF is try google!
While I share your general amusement at mocking REMF's, the truth is that some REMF's are pretty sharp. One of the pre-eminent military thinkers relied upon by the Marine Corps in revising (and manifestly improving) tactical/strategic doctrine in the late 80's - early 90's was Bill Lind, who was basically a squishy slob of a civilian. But the dude knew his sh*t, as they say. I was with a group of other tactics instructors (which I think may even have included the current Sec'y of Homeland Security) when we met with the guy. We were skeptical of this civilian having anything of value to say, but...he did. Quite an eye-opener, to say the least.
Anyway, my point is that in terms of the National Security Advisor, I don't care if they're a REMF, civilian, or the reincarnation of Chesty Puller himself. The only thing that matters is if they're sharp, and know what they're talking about.
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Okay, I looked it up @Bigun Can't tell if this would be good or bad news :laugh:
A bit O/T, but in my world, calling you an REMF is by far the worst pejorative I throw at anyone. I had the "pleasure" of serving with several REMFs during my time in the Army, officers who should never have been allowed near troops. Most were excellent staff officers, but disasters when put in a leadership position.
A (hopefully) brief example: My battery was a composite Chaparral/towed Vulcan platoon. Vulcans had a maximum effective range of 1000 meters. During an ARTEP, my battery commander improperly encoded coordinates for a mission, resulting in a 10KM long route defense for a Vulcan platoon (4 guns). The platoon leader, another REMF, did not question the mission, even though it violated every precept of air defense artillery tactics. That same platoon missed their morning mission by 30 minutes, thanks to the lack of leadership of that same lieutenant.
Had that been real world, people would have most assuredly died. As it was, it almost (could have/should have) flunked the entire battery. I was already irritable, not having slept for a few days leading up to that evaluation, and pressed in service as the XO in addition to my job as the Maintenance Officer. When I learned what had happened, I blew up...I had taken 3 of those 4 platoons successfully through evaluations during my first 18 months in the battery, and these yay-hoos were blowing it.
There's my example of an REMF (or two). The BC came from battalion staff, where he was excellent. He was simply unable to translate those skills into commanding a battery. The Platoon Leader was simply lost, and didn't respond well to guidance from any of us...he knew it all, or so he thought.
Hope that helps.
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Talked out of turn to some extent or other, then lied about it.
Pretty open and shut.
And please don't use the "Well, the Dems did it" excuse. We're not Dems.
@EC
I have not really dug into this story but my brief investigation leads me to believe that Flynn has a conservation about improving relations with the Russia ambassador. Sanctions came up in the conversation along with a lot of other stuff. Sanctions were not discussed in detail, the ambassador just said they were an obstacle to improving relations.
Next the Washington Post (I will never buy from Amazon again) runs a fake news story that Flynn violated a 1799 law that prohibits a private individual from conducting foreign policy. Totally fabricated story. No one has ever been prosecuted for this and Flynn was a high ranking member of the transition team hardly a private citizen. VP Pence asked Flynn about the bogus story and Flynn rightly answered no I did not discuss sanctions. Why did the VP stick his nose into this in this fake news story first place? Stupid move by the VP. This administration better wise up, the entire media, the entire establishment along with all the NeverTrumpers are out to damage this admin at every and any turn.
So it turns out that sanctions did come up, but were not really discussed. One could say Flynn lied (he really didn't) so Flynn gets nailed for lying about a fake news story that the VP had no business sticking his nose into and gets the boot.
If my interpretation is correct. Then we can expect many more fake news stories and the admin better learn not to take the bait. And the VP needs to learn mind his own business. I blame Pence for this mess.
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Hope that helps.
It does. Thanks.
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Talked out of turn to some extent or other, then lied about it.
Pretty open and shut.
And please don't use the "Well, the Dems did it" excuse. We're not Dems.
Peering down the rabbit hole, it seems a bit more to it than that. There is a strange obsession for this admin to shoot from the hip with any and everything that flashes anywhere. Take a breath once in a while.
The messaging shop makes the Keystone Kops and Three Stooges look like paragons of competence and efficiency. This thing originated with a leaked transcript of an alleged phone conversation.
The action plan should be that there is no comment on anonymous accusations for some period of time. Take the time to try to ascertain the facts and to try to ID the leaker.
Most importantly, get 100% solid and consistent on message. Trump needs to settle on ONE person to vet all comm, including his own.
@EC
@LonestarDream
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Will the Moderator please reset the Trump impeachment clock from 2 years to ONE YEAR. Thank you....
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While I share your general amusement at mocking REMF's, the truth is that some REMF's are pretty sharp. One of the pre-eminent military thinkers relied upon by the Marine Corps in revising (and manifestly improving) tactical/strategic doctrine in the late 80's - early 90's was Bill Lind, who was basically a squishy slob of a civilian. But the dude knew his sh*t, as they say. I was with a group of other tactics instructors (which I think may even have included the current Sec'y of Homeland Security) when we met with the guy. We were skeptical of this civilian having anything of value to say, but...he did. Quite an eye-opener, to say the least.
Anyway, my point is that in terms of the National Security Advisor, I don't care if they're a REMF, civilian, or the reincarnation of Chesty Puller himself. The only thing that matters is if they're sharp, and know what they're talking about.
Your last sentence is key and the sad fact is that most REMF's know a lot of S%^& that just isn't true! And they tend to talk about it FAR too much!
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@EC
I have not really dug into this story but my brief investigation leads me to believe that Flynn has a conservation about improving relations with the Russia ambassador. Sanctions came up in the conversation along with a lot of other stuff. Sanctions were not discussed in detail, the ambassador just said they were an obstacle to improving relations.
Next the Washington Post (I will never buy from Amazon again) runs a fake news story that Flynn violated a 1799 law that prohibits a private individual from conducting foreign policy. Totally fabricated story. No one has ever been prosecuted for this and Flynn was a high ranking member of the transition team hardly a private citizen. VP Pence asked Flynn about the bogus story and Flynn rightly answered no I did not discuss sanctions. Why did the VP stick his nose into this in this fake news story first place? Stupid move by the VP. This administration better wise up, the entire media, the entire establishment along with all the NeverTrumpers are out to damage this admin at every and any turn.
So it turns out that sanctions did come up, but were not really discussed. One could say Flynn lied (he really didn't) so Flynn gets nailed for lying about a fake news story that the VP had no business sticking his nose into and gets the boot.
If my interpretation is correct. Then we can expect many more fake news stories and the admin better learn not to take the bait. And the VP needs to learn mind his own business. I blame Pence for this mess.
Flynn was a civvie at the time. A transition team has exactly zero legal power. Nat Security Advisor is not a post that has any authority to treat with foreign nations in any way shape or form, even officially. Any discussion of sanctions, beyond listening to the Russian Ambassador and not replying would have been prohibited - and Flynn KNOWS that. He's been in the exact same circumstances before, albeit with a different government.
Then he did not tell the VP the extent of the discussion - his job, regardless of what was discussed.
While I appreciate it opens the door to further attacks by the left - Flynn resigning was the correct thing to do. Sometimes doing the right thing makes just as much a mess as doing the wrong thing.
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@EC
I have not really dug into this story but my brief investigation leads me to believe that Flynn has a conservation about improving relations with the Russia ambassador. Sanctions came up in the conversation along with a lot of other stuff. Sanctions were not discussed in detail, the ambassador just said they were an obstacle to improving relations.
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So it turns out that sanctions did come up, but were not really discussed. One could say Flynn lied (he really didn't) so Flynn gets nailed for lying about a fake news story that the VP had no business sticking his nose into and gets the boot.
If my interpretation is correct. Then we can expect many more fake news stories and the admin better learn not to take the bait. And the VP needs to learn mind his own business. I blame Pence for this mess.
"So it turns out that sanctions did come up" is the problem @jpsb
The administration circled the wagons around Flynn based on what he told them. The VP was the tip of the spear defending Flynn.
Had Flynn told the full truth ... I am sure the administration would still have defended him and fought for him--and won.
Flynn turned a non-issue into his own undoing. Flynn chose to hide the full truth--Flynn and Flynn alone is responsible for the outcome.
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@EC
If my interpretation is correct. Then we can expect many more fake news stories and the admin better learn not to take the bait. And the VP needs to learn mind his own business. I blame Pence for this mess.
Spot on.
In private business, a CEO can use competing factions and agendas to the business' ultimate advantage. Trump cannot transfer that to Political World.
Edit: The term "fake news has quickly become passe'. I propose propagit for a more accurate replacement... propaganda + agitation.
@jpsb
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Flynn was a civvie at the time. A transition team has exactly zero legal power. Nat Security Advisor is not a post that has any authority to treat with foreign nations in any way shape or form, even officially. Any discussion of sanctions, beyond listening to the Russian Ambassador and not replying would have been prohibited - and Flynn KNOWS that. He's been in the exact same circumstances before, albeit with a different government.
Then he did not tell the VP the extent of the discussion - his job, regardless of what was discussed.
While I appreciate it opens the door to further attacks by the left - Flynn resigning was the correct thing to do. Sometimes doing the right thing makes just as much a mess as doing the wrong thing.
@EC
I completely agree with what you just said! Every word of it. The fact is that it is very much in line with what our current SCOTUS nominee said during his remarks at the nomination ceremony about judges who like all of their rulings.
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Flynn was a civvie at the time. A transition team has exactly zero legal power. Nat Security Advisor is not a post that has any authority to treat with foreign nations in any way shape or form, even officially. Any discussion of sanctions, beyond listening to the Russian Ambassador and not replying would have been prohibited - and Flynn KNOWS that. He's been in the exact same circumstances before, albeit with a different government.
Then he did not tell the VP the extent of the discussion - his job, regardless of what was discussed.
While I appreciate it opens the door to further attacks by the left - Flynn resigning was the correct thing to do. Sometimes doing the right thing makes just as much a mess as doing the wrong thing.
Well if heads are going to roll for the slightest of mistakes then his administration will not last very long, the globalist uniparty will be back in charge and the United States as we know it will be thrown on the ash heap of history. Just like the USSR.
I know that is what all the Marxist Democrats, the Globalist neocons and NeverTrumpers are rooting for but I would kinda like to keep the USA the USA.
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I'd like to know who leaked the call to Sally Yates at the Justice Department.
President Donald Trump fired acting Attorney General Sally Yates in January after she refused to defend his immigration order and touched off a major drama in the opening days of his presidency.
"The acting Attorney General, Sally Yates, has betrayed the Department of Justice by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States," White House press secretary Sean Spicer said in a statement.
But the former Justice Department official re-entered the news cycle Monday after a White House official confirmed that Yates warned the Trump administration last month that former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn misled administration officials regarding his communications with Russia before entering the White House.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/who-is-sally-yates/index.html
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I'd like to know who leaked the call to Sally Yates at the Justice Department.
THAT is, or should be, a priority for this administration. Too many damned "anonymous sources" running around flapping their gums.
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Flynn was a civvie at the time. A transition team has exactly zero legal power. Nat Security Advisor is not a post that has any authority to treat with foreign nations in any way shape or form, even officially. Any discussion of sanctions, beyond listening to the Russian Ambassador and not replying would have been prohibited - and Flynn KNOWS that. He's been in the exact same circumstances before, albeit with a different government.
I more or less disagree with that. The First Amendment is the authority for anyone to express their opinion on anything - no statutory authorization is required. And yes, Flynn was a civilian. So was Trump. Yet, it would be perfectly legal if Trump said -- either during the campaign or after the election -- "if elected, I intend to negotiate the following deal with Russia...." So what's the difference if that message is conveyed publicly or privately, or directly by Trump himself or indirectly by a designated subordinate?
It is technically a violation of the Logan Act for anyone not in the government to "negotiate" with a foreign government, but nobody has been prosecuted under the Logan Act in the more than 200 years of its existence even though there have been many violations, and for very good reason. Just for starters, it is likely unconstitutional. And yes, neither Flynn, Trump, nor even a run of the mill civilian has legal authority to enter into binding agreements with a foreign government. But that's not what he did. There was no legal agreement reached on anything precisely because Flynn didn't have any authority to enter into such agreements. You don't need statutory authority simply to talk.
I really don't have a problem -- at all -- with an incoming senior security official having preliminary discussions with foreign counterparts prior to taking office, including laying out the groundwork for a future agreement. I don't see the harm.
Then he did not tell the VP the extent of the discussion - his job, regardless of what was discussed.
That's where I think he made a significant error.
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I more or less disagree with that. The First Amendment is the authority for anyone to express their opinion on anything - no statutory authorization is required.
It is technically a violation of the Logan Act for anyone not in the government to "negotiate" with a foreign government, but nobody has been prosecuted under the Logan Act in the more than 200 years of its existence even though there have been many violations, and for very good reason. Just for starters, it is likely unconstitutional. And yes, neither Flynn, Trump, nor even a run of the mill civilian has legal authority to enter into binding agreements with a foreign government. But that's not what he did. There was no legal agreement reached on anything precisely because Flynn didn't have any authority to enter into such agreements.
I really don't have a problem -- at all -- with an incoming senior security official having preliminary discussions with foreign counterparts prior to taking office. Frankly, I don't see the harm. A President-elect is perfectly entitled to say whatever he wants publicly about foreign policy between the election and inauguration, and if he is permitted to do that, so to should his underlings.
That's where I think he made a significant error.
Totally agree!
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That's where I think he made a significant error.
I don't disagree with you on your assessment of what he did. He should have been upfront about it, period.
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He is good patriotic man and you are the fool and moron. You all disgust me. I am done with you and your miserable ilk.
Another day, another threat to leave TBR if it's not what one wants it to be.
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@Bigun
@EC
I completely agree with what you just said! Every word of it. The fact is that it is very much in line with what our current SCOTUS nominee said during his remarks at the nomination ceremony about judges who like all of their rulings.
Totally agree!
You just confused the hell out of me with that. First, you "completely agreed with "every word" of what @EC said, then "totally agreed" with me disagreeing with @EC .
I mean, it's nice that you're so agreeable, but I'm confused as hell!
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Another day, another threat to leave TBR if it's not what one wants it to be.
He should go sign up with FR, I hear JimRob is getting low on funds.
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Flynn was a civvie at the time. A transition team has exactly zero legal power. Nat Security Advisor is not a post that has any authority to treat with foreign nations in any way shape or form, even officially. Any discussion of sanctions, beyond listening to the Russian Ambassador and not replying would have been prohibited - and Flynn KNOWS that. He's been in the exact same circumstances before, albeit with a different government.
Then he did not tell the VP the extent of the discussion - his job, regardless of what was discussed.
While I appreciate it opens the door to further attacks by the left - Flynn resigning was the correct thing to do. Sometimes doing the right thing makes just as much a mess as doing the wrong thing.
You are relying on the news media to tell you what really happened? I have no such confidence anymore. I want to hear it straight out of the horse's mouth - with my own ears and eyes - that's how little confidence I have in ANYTHING the media tells me now.
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Can someone tell me just what exactly Flynn did wrong? It seems to me he his a victim of fake news. I am disappointed that Trump canned him over fake news. There must be something that I am missing.
From the link that EC posted:
This last point is critical. The entire "scandal" is based on innuendo. Flynn tripped over his own feet by misinforming Vice President Pence on the nature of his call and allowing the veep to issue a too sweeping denial of any discussion. If Flynn had said in his conversation with the Russian ambassador that we will discuss the sanctions after Trump takes office, he might well have told Pence that they did not discuss the sanctions. And the CIA leakers could have used the appearance of the word "sanctions" in their transcript to brand Pence a liar. We don't know, and for some reason, nobody is gaining access to the actual transcripts so that we may see the content. Perhaps the congressional investigations to come will gain access. But Flynn is now gone, and media memes have been firmly planted in the public mind.
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You are relying on the news media to tell you what really happened? I have no such confidence anymore. I want to hear it straight out of the horse's mouth - with my own ears and eyes - that's how little confidence I have in ANYTHING the media tells me now.
Flynn admitted in his own resignation letter that he gave the VP inaccurate information about the content of his conversations with the Russians, and nobody -- including Flynn -- is disputing that the resignation letter is authentic.
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And now Roy Blunt is calling for widespread investigations into Russian Ties with Trump.
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@Bigun
You just confused the hell out of me with that. First, you "completely agreed with "every word" of what @EC said, then "totally agreed" with me disagreeing with @EC .
I mean, it's nice that you're so agreeable, but I'm confused as hell!
We all seem to agree that the problem here was with the lying and not the act itself.
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He should go sign up with FR, I hear JimRob is getting low on funds.
No worries...Freepathon will be completed within a few days (+/-) of March 10th. That's how the others have gone for the past year. JimRob's a big fan of accrual accounting. He's got a good thing going...no revenues, just gifts, no taxable income.
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Flynn admitted in his own resignation letter that he gave the VP inaccurate information about the content of his conversations with the Russians, and nobody -- including Flynn -- is disputing that the resignation letter is authentic.
One thing to give inaccurate info - another to lie. One is premeditated, and the other could be a case of semantics, or a faulty memory. Flynn's resignation letter could be that of a patriotic man that is taking the bullet for his army.
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And now Roy Blunt is calling for widespread investigations into Russian Ties with Trump.
So, Dems call for investigations into Russian ties with Trump because they think he's soft on them (therefore they helped him win), and Blunt thinks there should be investigations because somebody working for Trump may have threatened to give them the back of the hand? Remember the day when Dems were soft on the Soviets and Reps were firm?
I'm so confused.
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This is a dangerous game, placing the United States in a dangerous position. Y'all need to know this.
While everyone melts down over Flynn, I believe there’s a much BIGGER PLOT in the works to…
http://www.allenbwest.com/allen/everyone-melts-flynn-believe-theres-much-bigger-plot-works
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One thing to give inaccurate info - another to lie. One is premeditated, and the other could be a case of semantics, or a faulty memory. Flynn's resignation letter could be that of a patriotic man that is taking the bullet for his army.
I believe the answer will be found during the investigations to come.
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So, Dems call for investigations into Russian ties with Trump because they think he's soft on them (therefore they helped him win), and Blunt thinks there should be investigations because somebody working for Trump may have threatened to give them the back of the hand? Remember the day when Dems were soft on the Soviets and Reps were firm?
I'm so confused.
Let me see if I can help you with that.
It's not just one side of the isle that wants to destroy Trump inside the beltway! They like the swamp just like it is and do not wish it to be drained!
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The only thing that matters is if they're sharp, and know what they're talking about.
I agree with this. Civilian, military doesn't matter for this job.
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One thing to give inaccurate info - another to lie. One is premeditated, and the other could be a case of semantics, or a faulty memory. Flynn's resignation letter could be that of a patriotic man that is taking the bullet for his army.
@alicewonders
He was canned for a very minor offense at best. As I've said before if this administration is going to fire senior officials for the slightest of reasons to placate the "media" then this administration is functionally finished. I would not work for a boss that did not have my back and expected me to make every call 100% correct.
Trump better get a handle on things and quickly. STOP FALLING FOR FAKE NEWS, START DEFENDING YOUR TOP PEOPLE.
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One thing to give inaccurate info - another to lie.
If he was asked directly about discussing sanctions, Flynn could have just as easily said "I honestly do not remember" instead of "no".
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@alicewonders
He was canned for a very minor offense at best. As I've said before if this administration is going to fire senior officials for the slightest of reasons to placate the "media" then this administration is functionally finished. I would not work for a boss that did not have my back and expected me to make every call 100% correct.
Trump better get a handle on things and quickly. STOP FALLING FOR FAKE NEWS, START DEFENDING YOUR TOP PEOPLE.
THIS!
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@alicewonders
He was canned for a very minor offense at best. As I've said before if this administration is going to fire senior officials for the slightest of reasons to placate the "media" then this administration is functionally finished. I would not work for a boss that did not have my back and expected me to make every call 100% correct.
Trump better get a handle on things and quickly. STOP FALLING FOR FAKE NEWS, START DEFENDING YOUR TOP PEOPLE.
He lied to the VP. That is a "minor offense"?
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@alicewonders
I would not work for a boss that did not have my back and expected me to make every call 100% correct.
Ah, come on. Trump and his administration HAD Flynn's back. And yes, it was Flynn's responsibility to relay the contents of the conversation fully and honestly. An "I don't remember" would have better served Flynn than his denial.
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He lied to the VP. That is a "minor offense"?
At least he never lied to the "Big Guy." 22222frying pan
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Ah, come on. Trump and his administration HAD Flynn's back. And yes, it was Flynn's responsibility to relay the contents of the conversation fully and honestly. An "I don't remember" would have better served Flynn than his denial.
Shocked to find myself agreeing with RiV! 888high58888
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It's one thing to allegedly "lie" if that happened, it's another thing, if the one you lied too, Pence in this case, goes on public record recounting what you said as if it was the truth, that Flynn did not discuss sanctions with the Russians. I think that is more of what we are looking at.
I believe that is how it shakes out, Pence publicly said this as well.
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At least he never lied to the "Big Guy." 22222frying pan
He'd not have got chance to resign if he had.
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I guess he won't be getting any Putin payolla now
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He lied to the VP. That is a "minor offense"?
To make matters worse, this is the 3rd person forced to resign from team Trump after Russian ties were revealed. (Manafort, Page, Flynn) I know for a fact that republicans are getting worried.
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To make matters worse, this is the 3rd person forced to resign from team Trump after Russian ties were revealed. (Manafort, Page, Flynn) I know for a fact that republicans are getting worried.
:shrug:
I don' t know what their options are. IMO unless Trump has concretely broken the law, he's in there for the long haul.
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THIS!
@alicewonders
Another high Trump official canned over a Fake News story. The enemy now has two Trump heads on their wall, who is next?
After Plagiarism Reports, Monica Crowley Won’t Take White House Job (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/us/politics/monica-crowley-plagiarism.html)
The real story
Rising to Monica Crowley’s defense (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/12/monica-crowley-plagiarism-defended-by-colleagues/)
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To make matters worse, this is the 3rd person forced to resign from team Trump after Russian ties were revealed. (Manafort, Page, Flynn) I know for a fact that republicans are getting worried.
ALL swamp critters are worried! They are worried that their swamp might actually see some draining and won't stand for that!
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ALL swamp critters are worried! They are worried that their swamp might actually see some draining and won't stand of that!
It's a conspiracy!
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Let me see if I can help you with that.
It's not just one side of the isle that wants to destroy Trump inside the beltway! They like the swamp just like it is and do not wish it to be drained!
Yeah, I can agree with that. These are people who tried to sabotage Trump even after the Convention. A whole lot of us here didn't like him from the get-go (he was pretty close to 17 on my list), but DeeCee swamp-dwellers lost sight of the fact that the worst of the Republican candidates was still better than the best of the Rats.
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At least he never lied to the "Big Guy." 22222frying pan
He did not lie. The entire story is a fabrication. Fake News. But since the left has managed to get two high officials canned by using fake news more heads are going to roll. You and the other NeverTrumpers will probably get your wish and see the administration fail. I hope you will be happy with open borders, no border security, massive Muslim immigration, endless wars, no Obama care repeal, no tax reform, etc etc. Guess you like business as usual huh?
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Yeah, I can agree with that. These are people who tried to sabotage Trump even after the Convention.
So why is Flynn trying to sabotage Trump? Or maybe Trump is trying to sabotage himself by hiring these kind of people?
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It's a conspiracy!
Or maybe just a culture! A culture of corruption!
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He did not lie. The entire story is a fabrication. Fake News.
Flynn admitted to it. He lied about having discussions with a foreign power about changing US policy toward them before he even got the job. Not only is he in thrall to Putin, but he is willing to lie to his own government to favor a foreign despot.
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So why is Flynn trying to sabotage Trump? Or maybe Trump is trying to sabotage himself by hiring these kind of people?
I was referring to Blunt and other Congresscritters.
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Flynn admitted to it. He lied about having discussions with a foreign power about changing US policy toward them before he even got the job. Not only is he in thrall to Putin, but he is willing to lie to his own government to favor a foreign despot.
I am not going to engage in the idiocy of talking to you about anything Trump.
Now the uniparty (D's and R's) is on the "What did the president know and when did he know it"
Democrats demand that Flynn’s resignation spur broader Russia investigation
Democrats hold no levers of power in Washington, but they have pulled out their megaphones to demand that Mr. Flynn’s resignation open the first chapter — not the last — of investigations into contacts between Trump aides and Moscow — during and after Mr. Trump’s campaign for president.
“Nothing about this resignation, or resignations that could occur in the future, precludes the Senate Intelligence Committee from continuing to investigate Gen. Flynn, or any other campaign official who may have had inappropriate and improper contacts with Russian officials prior to the election,” said Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. “It is clear that our task is more urgent than ever.”
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It's a conspiracy!
Collusion.
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I am not going to engage in the idiocy of talking to you about anything Trump.
Now the uniparty (D's and R's) is on the "What did the president know and when did he know it"
Democrats demand that Flynn’s resignation spur broader Russia investigation
Democrats hold no levers of power in Washington, but they have pulled out their megaphones to demand that Mr. Flynn’s resignation open the first chapter — not the last — of investigations into contacts between Trump aides and Moscow — during and after Mr. Trump’s campaign for president.
“Nothing about this resignation, or resignations that could occur in the future, precludes the Senate Intelligence Committee from continuing to investigate Gen. Flynn, or any other campaign official who may have had inappropriate and improper contacts with Russian officials prior to the election,” said Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. “It is clear that our task is more urgent than ever.”
God help us!
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You and the other NeverTrumpers will probably get your wish and see the administration fail. I hope you will be happy with open borders, no border security, massive Muslim immigration, endless wars, no Obama care repeal, no tax reform, etc etc. Guess you like business as usual huh?
As long as they can say they were holy.
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So why is Flynn trying to sabotage Trump? Or maybe Trump is trying to sabotage himself by hiring these kind of people?
Or, maybe the Dems wish to sabotage an R president? Or, the establishment types on both sides wish to maintain their power? Or, both.
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As long as they can say they were holy.
That is why I despise NeverTrumpers. They would rather see the in country ruins than see Trump successful. Just so they can say I told you so, NeverTrumpers work hand in hand with the Marxist Globalist Democrats to take down Trump. Well guess who will be running things when they succeed in taking down Trump. Hint it won't be Ted Cruz on that you can bet.
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Or, maybe the Dems wish to sabotage an R president? Or, the establishment types on both sides wish to maintain their power? Or, both.
I vote "both."
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Collusion.
Exactly that! 888high58888
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That is why I despise NeverTrumpers. They would rather see the in country ruins than see Trump successful. Just so they can say I told you so, NeverTrumpers work hand in hand with the Marxist Globalist Democrats to take down Trump. Well guess who will be running things when they succeed in taking down Trump. Hint it won't be Ted Cruz on that you can bet.
Two points - I don't think some/many of the #NeverTrumpers want to take Trump down or see him fail. (And, I know it's dangerous to say what other people think, but to be fair, I'm responding to your effort to do just that.) They do think that Trump will fail, and in doing so damage our nation even more.
Personally, I find the #EverTrump to be the flip side of #NeverTrump. Both sides feel that their position is justified, and both sides can present a pretty good argument to that end.
And, secondly, I find it very interesting that so many of the "I dispise #NeverTrumpers because ... Ted Cruz". What does Ted Cruz have to do with this? Why are you all so fixated on him? What's the deal?
@jpsp
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He did not lie. The entire story is a fabrication. Fake News. But since the left has managed to get two high officials canned by using fake news more heads are going to roll. You and the other NeverTrumpers will probably get your wish and see the administration fail. I hope you will be happy with open borders, no border security, massive Muslim immigration, endless wars, no Obama care repeal, no tax reform, etc etc. Guess you like business as usual huh?
Where have I ever said I want the Trump administration to fail? Good luck in trying to substantiate that.
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@jpsb
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Two points - I don't think some/many of the #NeverTrumpers want to take Trump down or see him fail. (And, I know it's dangerous to say what other people think, but to be fair, I'm responding to your effort to do just that.) They do think that Trump will fail, and in doing so damage our nation even more.
Personally, I find the #EverTrump to be the flip side of #NeverTrump. Both sides feel that their position is justified, and both sides can present a pretty good argument to that end.
And, secondly, I find it very interesting that so many of the "I dispise #NeverTrumpers because ... Ted Cruz". What does Ted Cruz have to do with this? Why are you all so fixated on him? What's the deal?
@jpsp
Their are a number of NeverTrumpers that are overjoyed that the "deep state" is picking the new administration apart. Taking out Flynn was major victory and please notice how the R's in DC are not defending the Trump administration in the least. In fact the R's are joining the D's in calling for investigations into "what did the President know and when did he know it".
This is a coup attempt and lots and lots of NeverTrumper are all in favor of it.
I mentioned Cruz since he was the fav of more then a few NTers and still pissed at Trump for beating him in the primaries.
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Their are a number of NeverTrumpers that are overjoyed that the "deep state" is picking the new administration apart. Taking out Flynn was major victory and please notice how the R's in DC are not defending the Trump administration in the least. In fact the R's are joining the D's in calling for investigations into "what did the President know and when did he know it".
This is a coup attempt and lots and lots of NeverTrumper are all in favor of it.
I mentioned Cruz since he was the fav of more then a few NTers and still pissed at Trump for beating him in the primaries.
There you go again...assuming you know the thoughts of others.
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Their are a number of NeverTrumpers that are overjoyed that the "deep state" is picking the new administration apart. Taking out Flynn was major victory and please notice how the R's in DC are not defending the Trump administration in the least. In fact the R's are joining the D's in calling for investigations into "what did the President know and when did he know it".
This is a coup attempt and lots and lots of NeverTrumper are all in favor of it.
I mentioned Cruz since he was the fav of more then a few NTers and still pissed at Trump for beating him in the primaries.
I thought of you as being much less emotionally-driven than this.
I think you misunderstand the motives of our NeverTrumpers in this matter. And, the Cruz matter, while not relevant to this story, is much less clear-cut than your statement above would imply.
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Two points - I don't think some/many of the #NeverTrumpers want to take Trump down or see him fail. (And, I know it's dangerous to say what other people think, but to be fair, I'm responding to your effort to do just that.) They do think that Trump will fail, and in doing so damage our nation even more.
Personally, I find the #EverTrump to be the flip side of #NeverTrump. Both sides feel that their position is justified, and both sides can present a pretty good argument to that end.
And, secondly, I find it very interesting that so many of the "I dispise #NeverTrumpers because ... Ted Cruz". What does Ted Cruz have to do with this? Why are you all so fixated on him? What's the deal?
@jpsp
Because after all the feelgood rhetoric, trucker hats and 'claims' of making America great again, the fact remains that Donald Trump is only president because he lied early and often about Ted Cruz, his wife and his father. To supposedly "Make America great again" he had to perform an act diametrically opposed to everything America used to stand for. He lied his way into power.
And thats before even getting into the sheer hypocracy of bitching about 'trying to take Trump down with fake news when fake news is exactly how Ted Cruz was politically assasinated by Donald Trump and the unquestioning fools that did their damnedest to to spread it.
Regardless of whether Trump succeeds, fails, governs great or poorly, that is a fact of history and there's not anything they can ever do to change it, nor is there any way they can ever make the country or the world forget.
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Rush is on the radio defending Flynn today, saying the administration should have kept him; but I think he was a bit out there. Even here, US News distorts what he says but I don't think this is a helpful attitude.
Former U.S. Military Official Says George W. Bush Created ISIS
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/01/former-military-official-says-george-w-bush-created-isis
Lt. General Michael Flynn isn't afraid to speak up when it comes to his views on America's handling of ISIS.
He has even gone so far as to predict another 9/11 attack.
This month, the retired Defense Intelligence Agency director sat down with German magazine Der Spiegel for an interview where he blamed the 2003 Iraq war — and then President George W. Bush — for creating the Islamic State terrorist group.
I'm sure he could have done a good job actually; keeping him may have been best but things like this are over the top.
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Rush also said Flynn was a pro-life democrat, so good if that is true.
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Because after all the feelgood rhetoric, trucker hats and 'claims' of making America great again, the fact remains that Donald Trump is only president because he lied early and often about Ted Cruz, his wife and his father. To supposedly "Make America great again" he had to perform an act diametrically opposed to everything America used to stand for. He lied his way into power.
And thats before even getting into the sheer hypocracy of bitching about 'trying to take Trump down with fake news when fake news is exactly how Ted Cruz was politically assasinated by Donald Trump and the unquestioning fools that did their damnedest to to spread it.
Regardless of whether Trump succeeds, fails, governs great or poorly, that is a fact of history and there's not anything they can ever do to change it, nor is there any way they can ever make the country or the world forget.
I did say you could present a good argument. ^-^
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Because after all the feelgood rhetoric, trucker hats and 'claims' of making America great again, the fact remains that Donald Trump is only president because he lied early and often about Ted Cruz, his wife and his father. To supposedly "Make America great again" he had to perform an act diametrically opposed to everything America used to stand for. He lied his way into power.
And thats before even getting into the sheer hypocracy of bitching about 'trying to take Trump down with fake news when fake news is exactly how Ted Cruz was politically assasinated by Donald Trump and the unquestioning fools that did their damnedest to to spread it.
Regardless of whether Trump succeeds, fails, governs great or poorly, that is a fact of history and there's not anything they can ever do to change it, nor is there any way they can ever make the country or the world forget.
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Agree with a lot of what you say Norm. Why can't we be pals?
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Because after all the feelgood rhetoric, trucker hats and 'claims' of making America great again, the fact remains that Donald Trump is only president because he lied early and often about Ted Cruz, his wife and his father. To supposedly "Make America great again" he had to perform an act diametrically opposed to everything America used to stand for. He lied his way into power.
And thats before even getting into the sheer hypocracy of bitching about 'trying to take Trump down with fake news when fake news is exactly how Ted Cruz was politically assasinated by Donald Trump and the unquestioning fools that did their damnedest to to spread it.
Regardless of whether Trump succeeds, fails, governs great or poorly, that is a fact of history and there's not anything they can ever do to change it, nor is there any way they can ever make the country or the world forget.
I am not going to waste my time on the Cruz/Trump thing. Other to say you are very wrong.
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Because after all the feelgood rhetoric, trucker hats and 'claims' of making America great again, the fact remains that Donald Trump is only president because he lied early and often about Ted Cruz, his wife and his father. To supposedly "Make America great again" he had to perform an act diametrically opposed to everything America used to stand for. He lied his way into power.
And thats before even getting into the sheer hypocracy of bitching about 'trying to take Trump down with fake news when fake news is exactly how Ted Cruz was politically assasinated by Donald Trump and the unquestioning fools that did their damnedest to to spread it.
Regardless of whether Trump succeeds, fails, governs great or poorly, that is a fact of history and there's not anything they can ever do to change it, nor is there any way they can ever make the country or the world forget.
@Norm Lenhart
All true! Every word! But the fact remains that Trump IS the president and the swamp critters like their swamp just as it is!
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I am not going to waste my time on the Cruz/Trump thing. Other to say you are very wrong.
No, I am very right. Your situational ethics and belief that the ends justify the means blind you to accepting the reality of the situation. Which is fine as every man has the God given right to be a fool.
PS, If you were to intellectually incapable of defending Trump's political assassination of Ted Cruz with fake news, you shouldn't have brought Ted Cruz up in the first place. But like Brave Sir Robin, it's for the best you run away from defending your position as there is no defense that can be made for what Trump did to get elected.
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Agree with a lot of what you say Norm. Why can't we be pals?
Mom always told me 'You're known by the company you keep'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww5GXbk58R0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww5GXbk58R0)
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No, I am very right. Your situational ethics and belief that the ends justify the means blind you to accepting the reality of the situation. Which is fine as every man has the God given right to be a fool.
PS, If you were to intellectually incapable of defending Trump's political assassination of Ted Cruz with fake news, you shouldn't have brought Ted Cruz up in the first place. But like Brave Sir Robin, it's for the best you run away from defending your position as there is no defense that can be made for what Trump did to get elected.
@Sanguine I rest my case that a lot of the anger directed at Trump comes from NeverTrump Ted Cruz groupies.
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No, I am very right. Your situational ethics and belief that the ends justify the means blind you to accepting the reality of the situation. Which is fine as every man has the God given right to be a fool.
PS, If you were to intellectually incapable of defending Trump's political assassination of Ted Cruz with fake news, you shouldn't have brought Ted Cruz up in the first place. But like Brave Sir Robin, it's for the best you run away from defending your position as there is no defense that can be made for what Trump did to get elected.
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Despite his obviously stellar military career, he and many other Army MI officers struck me as Colonel Flaggs. We had a Battalion S-2 fresh from Ft. Huachuca, who left his TV on 24/7, he was convinced that the Soviets bugged his living quarters.
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@Sanguine I rest my case that a lot of the anger directed at Trump comes from NeverTrump Ted Cruz groupies.
But, surely you're not suggesting that the anger is misplaced?
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@Sanguine I rest my case that a lot angry directed at Trump comes from NeverTrump Ted Cruz groupies.
Reporting the truth as 'anger' would be 'fake news' on your part. I know losing an argument as badly as you just did hurts your ego, but use it as a moment to reflect on life and get right with reality.
Or not. Most of us wrote you off a while back anyway.
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Flashback, to the time when Obama told Russia he'd 'have more flexibility after the elections.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ULl1AWaWdo
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Flashback, to the time when Obama told Russia he'd 'have more flexibility after the elections.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ULl1AWaWdo
Precisely why I find the Democrat spin on the whole Flynn saga so humorous. I just saw a Rat poli-sci kiddy on TV remind us that Flynn should have been fired weeks ago because Flynn could have been leaking like a sieve to the Russians all this time. How he concluded a guy who's in trouble for not being upfront about his giving the Russians the back of his hand is actually a spy for them, is beyond me.
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Flashback, to the time when Obama told Russia he'd 'have more flexibility after the elections.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ULl1AWaWdo
You're comparing apples to oranges here @truth_seeker Obama was already President at that point of time so the Logan Act did not apply.
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But, surely you're not suggesting that the anger is misplaced?
I'm not going back to the Cruz/Trump wars. Cruz got over it and got on board the Trump train so I no longer have a problem with him. Seems a lot of his supporters can't do the same an bash Trump 24/7 even with the barbarians (Globalist Marxists Democrats and Globalist Republicans) at the gate.
If Trump goes down and now there is a full court press to take him down, the Globalists will have won and the country will never be the same. Forget about a secure border, forget about controlling illegal immigration, forget about staying out of wars that are non of our business, forget about ending socialize medicine, forget about tax reform and all the other things Trump ran on. The swamp will not be drain and DC will not be reformed.
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You're comparing apples to oranges here @truth_seeker Obama was already President at that point of time so the Logan Act did not apply.
Flynn did not violate the Logan act. And in 200+ years no one has ever been prosecuted under the Logan act.
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I'm not going back to the Cruz/Trump wars. Cruz got over it and got on board the Trump train so I no longer have a problem with him. Seems a lot of his supporters can't do the same an bash Trump 24/7 even with the barbarians (Globalist Marxists Democrats and Globalist Republicans) at the gate.
Then you shouldn't have brought him up.
Doesn't matter if Satan appeared in the sky over the vatican. It doesn't change the truth.
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You're comparing apples to oranges here @truth_seeker Obama was already President at that point of time so the Logan Act did not apply.
Off topic, but...has the Logan Act ever been used?
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You're comparing apples to oranges here @truth_seeker Obama was already President at that point of time so the Logan Act did not apply.
Anyone who harbors the illusion that what Flynn did rises to anything like what Obama did is insane!
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Anyone who harbors the illusion that what Flynn did rises to anything like what Obama did is insane!
:amen:
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Off topic, but...has the Logan Act ever been used?
NO, not to my knowledge since it's inception 1789, I believe.
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Off topic, but...has the Logan Act ever been used?
It was never intended to apply to a President-elect or his staff, and is probably unconstitutional anyway.
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Anyone who harbors the illusion that what Flynn did rises to anything like what Obama did is insane!
Ultimately, what he did got him fired and in a sane world, that would be the end of it. However, rather than let a thing be what it is, some people have taken this as a personal affront to Trump as the illusion that he is infallible must be maintained for some of the weaker minded out there.
Unless someone has evidence Trump ordered the gloryhound to break the law, Trump did the right thing and canned him and is otherwise blameless in this blowup. But alas, that isn't good enough for the devoted. Someone has to be destroyed, drama taken to absurd levels and history dug up to reopen the Ted Cruz episode.
Anything to avoid the actual issue.
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Ultimately, what he did got him fired and in a sane world, that would be the end of it. However, rather than let a thing be what it is, some people have taken this as a personal affront to Trump as the illusion that he is infallible must be maintained for some of the weaker minded out there.
Unless someone has evidence Trump ordered the gloryhound to break the law, Trump did the right thing and canned him and is otherwise blameless in this blowup. But alas, that isn't good enough for the devoted. Someone has to be destroyed, drama taken to absurd levels and history dug up to reopen the Ted Cruz episode.
Anything to avoid the actual issue.
And endless amounts of time and resources will be expended on this rather than any swamp draining.
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You're comparing apples to oranges here @truth_seeker Obama was already President at that point of time so the Logan Act did not apply.
No argument over that. (although at the point Obama's reelection was not assured, since the time of the contact was Mar. 2012-election year)
OTOH it is being suggested that the CIA recorded the call in question, and released it to the media to discredit Flynn.
Flynn represented an agenda of peaceful coexistence through cooperation with Russia, and the CIA represents an agenda of permanent low level conflict, to benefit the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned of, and that NeoCons also represent.
I am NOT claiming I know all the factors, just passing along one version. Dennis Kucinich among others, suggested this and he is no friend of Republicans.
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We're North of 150 posts on a topic where everybody is in agreement about the base facts of the matter. This fighting for the sake of fighting probably isn't good for anybody but Democrats. JMHO.
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And out comes 'the long knives'
Roger Stone: Priebus's 'purge' of Flynn is 'Pearl Harbor' for Trump loyalists
By Joe Concha - 02/14/17 02:07 PM EST
President Trump supporter Roger Stone tweeted Tuesday that the "purge" of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn is "Pearl Harbor" for Trump loyalists.
Stone blamed White House Chief of Staff Reince Preibus for Flynn's resignation after just 24 days on the job.
"Reince's purge of Flynn a 'Pearl Harbor' for Trump loyalists. Hope the midget is ready to rumble,"
wrote Stone.
Stone's tweet comes as Breitbart, the populist right-wing website once led by President Trump’s chief strategist, Steve Bannon, published a scathing report on Tuesday stating that Priebus was responsible for the administration's rocky start while speculating that his future in the administration may also be short.
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http://thehill.com/media/319491-roger-stone-priebuss-purge-of-flynn-is-pearl-harbor-for-trump-loyalists (http://thehill.com/media/319491-roger-stone-priebuss-purge-of-flynn-is-pearl-harbor-for-trump-loyalists)
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And out comes 'the long knives'
Roger Stone: Priebus's 'purge' of Flynn is 'Pearl Harbor' for Trump loyalists
By Joe Concha - 02/14/17 02:07 PM EST
President Trump supporter Roger Stone tweeted Tuesday that the "purge" of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn is "Pearl Harbor" for Trump loyalists.
Stone blamed White House Chief of Staff Reince Preibus for Flynn's resignation after just 24 days on the job.
wrote Stone.
Stone's tweet comes as Breitbart, the populist right-wing website once led by President Trump’s chief strategist, Steve Bannon, published a scathing report on Tuesday stating that Priebus was responsible for the administration's rocky start while speculating that his future in the administration may also be short.
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http://thehill.com/media/319491-roger-stone-priebuss-purge-of-flynn-is-pearl-harbor-for-trump-loyalists (http://thehill.com/media/319491-roger-stone-priebuss-purge-of-flynn-is-pearl-harbor-for-trump-loyalists)
If Trump wants the bleeding to get worse he'll do what Roger Stone suggests. I don't think he's that stupid.
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And please don't use the "Well, the Dems did it" excuse.
Tu quoque ("two wrongs make a right") (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque)
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Flynn was an arriving member of the admin. This is a situation which an Obama admin intel person set him up.
But hey, if we are spying on the Government, lets spy on Lindsey Graham and the other democrats as to their peccadillos related to blackmail.
Remember Diane Feinstein being spied on??
@don-o
Peering down the rabbit hole, it seems a bit more to it than that. There is a strange obsession for this admin to shoot from the hip with any and everything that flashes anywhere. Take a breath once in a while.
The messaging shop makes the Keystone Kops and Three Stooges look like paragons of competence and efficiency. This thing originated with a leaked transcript of an alleged phone conversation.
The action plan should be that there is no comment on anonymous accusations for some period of time. Take the time to try to ascertain the facts and to try to ID the leaker.
Most importantly, get 100% solid and consistent on message. Trump needs to settle on ONE person to vet all comm, including his own.
@EC
@LonestarDream
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I'm not going back to the Cruz/Trump wars. Cruz got over it and got on board the Trump train so I no longer have a problem with him. Seems a lot of his supporters can't do the same an bash Trump 24/7 even with the barbarians (Globalist Marxists Democrats and Globalist Republicans) at the gate.
If Trump goes down and now there is a full court press to take him down, the Globalists will have won and the country will never be the same. Forget about a secure border, forget about controlling illegal immigration, forget about staying out of wars that are non of our business, forget about ending socialize medicine, forget about tax reform and all the other things Trump ran on. The swamp will not be drain and DC will not be reformed.
I'm just suggesting that even had Trump not done what he did to Cruz, the #NeverTrumps would still have some legitimate problems with Trump. Cruz isn't the issue and you #EverTrumps seem determined to make him the issue. Which means that you are ignoring the other reasons the #NeverTrumps don't like Trump. Unless we are honest about the issues the Evers and Nevers will remain at odds. And, hopefully, that's not the reason the Cruz red-herring is repeatedly dragged across the trail.
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I'm just suggesting that even had Trump not done what he did to Cruz
Ok and just what did Trump do to Cruz?
Cruz lied his ass off in the primaries, he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady and then cried like a baby when Trump hit back, he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich, lied that he never was for legalization for illegals, lied that he was not for TPP, he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies, lied about Ben Carson dropping out and he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent. Cruz ran a lousey dirty campaign and lost. Get over it.
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Ok and just what did Trump do to Cruz?
Cruz lied his ass off in the primaries, he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady and then cried like a baby when Trump hit back, he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich, lied that he never was for legalization for illegals, lied that he was not for TPP, he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies, lied about Ben Carson dropping out and he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent. Cruz ran a lousey dirty campaign and lost. Get over it.
That's a lot of wrong you got stuffed up in your head. No wonder you have truth issues.
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Ok and just what did Trump do to Cruz?
Cruz lied his ass off in the primaries, he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady and then cried like a baby when Trump hit back, he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich, lied that he never was for legalization for illegals, lied that he was not for TPP, he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies, lied about Ben Carson dropping out and he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent. Cruz ran a lousey dirty campaign and lost. Get over it.
you should have taken my advice this morning, quit digging, now your problem is much worse.
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you should have taken my advice this morning, quit digging, now your problem is much worse.
Waht, and miss his chance to attack Ted Cruz and spread more lies? Thats not the fanatical Trumpist way. Lest we forget, he was one of the biggest propagandists on the site.
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Ok and just what did Trump do to Cruz?
Cruz lied his ass off in the primaries, he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady and then cried like a baby when Trump hit back, he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich, lied that he never was for legalization for illegals, lied that he was not for TPP, he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies, lied about Ben Carson dropping out and he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent. Cruz ran a lousey dirty campaign and lost. Get over it.
OK. Now, I understand. And, accept that we can not come to a meeting of minds on this. You have decided to believe the skewed and outright untrue "breitbart" version of event. There is no objectivity or truth there, which leaves us with no common ground on which to stand.
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Tu quoque ("two wrongs make a right") (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque)
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Ok and just what did Trump do to Cruz?
Cruz lied his ass off in the primaries, he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady and then cried like a baby when Trump hit back, he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich, lied that he never was for legalization for illegals, lied that he was not for TPP, he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies, lied about Ben Carson dropping out and he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent. Cruz ran a lousey dirty campaign and lost. Get over it.
Total 100% lie.
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Does anyone know how to go about suing the printer of my diary? The lying rag is telling me the year is 2017, when it's obviously 2016.
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OK. Now, I understand. And, accept that we can not come to a meeting of minds on this. You have decided to believe the skewed and outright untrue "breitbart" version of event. There is no objectivity or truth there, which leaves us with no common ground on which to stand.
Yeah, I'm going to have to file @jpsb's quote to pull out the next time I see someone accuse the Nevers of being the ones keeping the animosity going. It's a classic.
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Does anyone know how to go about suing the printer of my diary? The lying rag is telling me the year is 2017, when it's obviously 2016.
I can hear it now: "Don't believe that Lyin' Diary!"
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Ok and just what did Trump do to Cruz?
Cruz lied his ass off in the primaries, he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady and then cried like a baby when Trump hit back, he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich, lied that he never was for legalization for illegals, lied that he was not for TPP, he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies, lied about Ben Carson dropping out and he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent. Cruz ran a lousey dirty campaign and lost. Get over it.
Just when I thought you were beginning to make some progress you have to go and prove me wrong! :whistle:
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Does anyone know how to go about suing the printer of my diary? The lying rag is telling me the year is 2017, when it's obviously 2016.
Either that or it's groundhog day all over again!
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That's a lot of wrong you got stuffed up in your head. No wonder you have truth issues.
And the new POTUS continues to attack private citizens with his Twitter account.
And the Trumpersters go
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That's a lot of wrong you got stuffed up in your head. No wonder you have truth issues.
OK, fine since you insist we will go there.
he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmZiNecP5KM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmZiNecP5KM)
he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Besrlf1Gz-c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Besrlf1Gz-c)
lied that he never was for legalization for illegals,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CwVrfydjOI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CwVrfydjOI)
lied that he was not for TPP,
Putting Congress In Charge On Trade (https://www.wsj.com/articles/putting-congress-in-charge-on-trade-1429659409)
he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo4ksGBMyg4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo4ksGBMyg4)
lied about Ben Carson dropping out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx-NtNIa_GU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx-NtNIa_GU)
he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent.
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Does anyone know how to go about suing the printer of my diary? The lying rag is telling me the year is 2017, when it's obviously 2016.
CLEARLY TED CRUZ PRINTED IT!!!!!
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Does anyone know how to go about suing the printer of my diary? The lying rag is telling me the year is 2017, when it's obviously 2016.
Sorry bro, but it is definitely 2017, for the Gonzaga Bulldogs are 26-0!!!
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And the new POTUS continues to attack private citizens with his Twitter account.
Really? I don't see any "recently"
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
Just complains about leaks.
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he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent.
He's also NOT THE EFFING PRESIDENT!!!!!
Jesus, it's no damned wonder conservatives can never do jack shit. Always fighting last year's war.
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OK. Now, I understand. And, accept that we can not come to a meeting of minds on this. You have decided to believe the skewed and outright untrue "breitbart" version of event. There is no objectivity or truth there, which leaves us with no common ground on which to stand.
I was and am willing to let it go, but I am not willing to let NeverTrumpers slander Trump by claiming he lied about Cruz. He didn't.
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Really? I don't see any "recently"
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
Just complains about leaks.
I was referring to Mark Cuban. Not that I care about Cuban, I think Trump's doing that to cajole Cuban into running in 2020. Dallas Mavericks fans are cheering everywhere, Cubes will be too occupied to screw up another draft.
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OK, fine since you insist we will go there.
he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmZiNecP5KM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmZiNecP5KM)
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So, starting with the first one - where is the alleged ad? That is just a slideshow saying Cruz said something.
Oh, wait - oopsie. From the YouTube site:
Published on Mar 22, 2016
An anti-Donald-Trump super-PAC is running ads in conservative Utah to try to convince Mormons not to vote for Trump — by slut-shaming his wife, Melania.Vox News is reporting that Make America Awesome, founded by Republican strategist Liz Mair, is trying to increase turnout of members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ahead of the Utah primary on Tuesday. The super-PAC is trying to convince Mormons to vote for Ted Cruz rather than Donald Trump, who is not a favorite of GOP voters in the state (it’s not just Mitt Romney.)The super-PAC is running three ads in the state, one featuring Mitt Romney urging voters to support Ted Cruz, and another highlighting Trump’s history of going back and forth on his views about abortion.The third, however, features Melania Trump posing nude, and mocks the very idea that she could be the first lady one day.
I'm assuming that the rest are as lacking in truth as this one.
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OK, fine since you insist we will go there.
Maybe we could see if George had Martha pose for lesbian cheesecake pics at the signing of the Declaration. Because that would have been moral too I guess and a fine example for America in places other than the brown wrapper magazine stand.
Your boy went hard left and did a character assassination on Ted Cruz, his wife and his father. No one cares what you believe. History shows he did and that history will never, ever go away.
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I was and am willing to let it go, but I am not willing to let NeverTrumpers slander Trump by claiming he lied about Cruz. He didn't.
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He's also NOT THE EFFING PRESIDENT!!!!!
Jesus, it's no damned wonder conservatives can never do jack shit. Always fighting last year's war.
Category error. J isn't remotely conservative. He's a propagandist.
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He's also NOT THE EFFING PRESIDENT!!!!!
Jesus, it's no damned wonder conservatives can never do jack shit. Always fighting last year's war.
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I'm with @Bigun . I thought people were growing up and putting all that shit behind us, but no. There is nothing worse than a sore winner. Can't take "Yes!" for an answer.
No, some people don't feel right in the world if they can't humiliate their opponent (and his family and friends), over and over again. I'd have a lot more sympathy for their dismay at the press attacking Barron, but it's hard to do when the supporters act like this.
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He's also NOT THE EFFING PRESIDENT!!!!!
Jesus, it's no damned wonder conservatives can never do jack shit. Always fighting last year's war.
Please desist with the obscenities, or I'll have to send the enforcer after you.
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She's still ticked off the Zags defeated her Gaels last Saturday.
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And, you know what? I really didn't expect that answer - or the animosity. I couldn't figure out what was driving him and why toss Cruz into an unrelated topic.
@Norm Lenhart wants to fight the Cruz wars all over again. What the heck, I'll play if you insist, I declined his gambit several times but he insisted.
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Please desist with the obscenities, or I'll have to send the enforcer after you.
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She's still ticked off the Zags defeated her Gaels last Saturday.
It was a prayer, guv. Honest!!! Just .... keep her in her cage, ok?
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He's also NOT THE EFFING PRESIDENT!!!!!
Jesus, it's no damned wonder conservatives can never do jack shit. Always fighting last year's war.
@EC
:amen: My brother! We all claim to want to go to the same place but never get beyond that because we spend ALL our time fighting over which damned car to ride there in!
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I'm with @Bigun . I thought people were growing up and putting all that shit behind us, but no. There is nothing worse than a sore winner. Can't take "Yes!" for an answer.
No, some people don't feel right in the world if they can't humiliate their opponent (and his family and friends), over and over again. I'd have a lot more sympathy for their dismay at the press attacking Barron, but it's hard to do when the supporters act like this.
Most people have. But you can always count on liberals to 'increment' their agenda back to the forefront. They never won the war painting Cruz as a liar here, so they intend to finish the job.
Since Trump has had a failure, they see it as a personal affront and lash out. Again, liberal behavior.
It is what it is.
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@Norm Lenhart wants to fight the Cruz wars all over again. What the heck, I'll play if you insist, I decline his gambit several times but he insisted.
The longer you insist on playing, the more you undermine your own cause. I am utterly baffled you don't see that.
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He's also NOT THE EFFING PRESIDENT!!!!!
Jesus, it's no damned wonder conservatives can never do jack shit. Always fighting last year's war.
Even when they "win"...they lose.
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@Norm Lenhart wants to fight the Cruz wars all over again. What the heck, I'll play if you insist, I decline his gambit several times but he insisted.
Ahem...Y O U started the Ted Cruz war today. Not I. Try not to be such a liar ALL the time. Ted isn't here to defend himself from your bullshit, but I am.
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OK, fine since you insist we will go there.
he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmZiNecP5KM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmZiNecP5KM)
he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Besrlf1Gz-c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Besrlf1Gz-c)
lied that he never was for legalization for illegals,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CwVrfydjOI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CwVrfydjOI)
lied that he was not for TPP,
Putting Congress In Charge On Trade (https://www.wsj.com/articles/putting-congress-in-charge-on-trade-1429659409)
he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo4ksGBMyg4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo4ksGBMyg4)
lied about Ben Carson dropping out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx-NtNIa_GU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx-NtNIa_GU)
he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent.
Those lies are so last year. We got new lies fresh out of the oven now....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFEgTEQVzCo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SRLYWLirJI
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@EC
:amen: My brother! We all claim to want to go to the same place but never get beyond that because we spend ALL our time fighting over which damned car to ride there in!
:beer:
Meanwhile, the progressives don't care - donkey, tandem, smart car - if it gets them closer to where they want to go, they'll use it.
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So, starting with the first one - where is the alleged ad? That is just a slideshow saying Cruz said something.
Oh, wait - oopsie. From the YouTube site:
Published on Mar 22, 2016
I'm assuming that the rest are as lacking in truth as this one.
Forget it! I'm not playing that stupid game anymore! Donald J. Trump IS the president of the United States!
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The longer you insist on playing, the more you undermine your own cause. I am utterly baffled you don't see that.
So lies about Trump should go unanswered? I tried not to engage, but the lie was repeated and repeated. At some point you have to refute a lie.
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So lies about Trump should go unanswered? I tried not to engage, but the lie was repeated and repeated. At some point you have to refute a lie.
YOU brought Ted Cruz into this.
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Those lies are so last year. We got new lies fresh out of the oven now....
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So lies about Trump should go unanswered? I tried not to engage, but the lie was repeated and repeated. At some point you have to refute a lie.
Yup. Undermining. Unbelievable.
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I was and am willing to let it go, but I am not willing to let NeverTrumpers slander Trump.
If slander is spoken wouldn't that be libelous since it is a written defamatory statement against the Orange Ball??
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:beer:
Meanwhile, the progressives don't care - donkey, tandem, smart car - if it gets them closer to where they want to go, they'll use it.
@EC
Witch broom, camel train, dog sled, or pack mule! They could care less so long as it advances their agenda! We could learn something from them. But...
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It was a prayer, guv. Honest!!! Just .... keep her in her cage, ok?
She was a big hit with the announcers after a call went against the Gaels...lol.
I keep forgetting to create an account at memegenerator.net. The face compares to Helen of Troy. Instead of a thousand ships, that picture will launch a thousand memes! :silly:
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"Over????? Nothing's over 'til we say it is!!!!"
Forget it. He's trolling.
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Yup. Undermining. Unbelievable.
I am not going to bend over for the sake of unity. You can just forget that.
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@EC
Witch broom, camel train, dog sled, or pack mule! They could care less so long as it advances their agenda! We could learn something from them. But...
I'm tired of this stupid argument. I don't even have a side and I'm getting sucked in. It's time for a beer. And more.
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Ok and just what did Trump do to Cruz?
Cruz lied his ass off in the primaries, he attacked Trump wife and called her morally unfit to be first lady and then cried like a baby when Trump hit back, he lied that Trump used emanate domain to get rich, lied that he never was for legalization for illegals, lied that he was not for TPP, he blamed Trump for violent anti-Trump violence at Trump rallies, lied about Ben Carson dropping out and he is NOT a natural born citizen going by original intent. Cruz ran a lousey dirty campaign and lost. Get over it.
@jpsb None of the above is true and adds fuel to the fire. Just a ridiculous post that appears to show that you need to "get over it.", and did not do your research. By the same token that I accuse others of wanting Trump to fail, this ridiculous post could be taken in the same vein as purposefully trying to stir the pot to reignite old resentments. I suggest you stop this sort of thing unless you are wanting dissension among the rank and file.
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I am not going to bend over for the sake of unity. You can just forget that.
What Evah. I hope you don't cause us to have a Dem Preezy in '20. Your strategy for reelection sucks.
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So lies about Trump should go unanswered? I tried not to engage, but the lie was repeated and repeated. At some point you have to refute a lie.
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@jpsb None of the above is true and adds fuel to the fire. Just a ridiculous post that appears to show that you need to "get over it.", and did not do your research. By the same token that I accuse others of wanting Trump to fail, this ridiculous post could be taken in the same vein as purposefully trying to stir the pot to reignite old resentments. I suggest you stop this sort of thing unless you are wanting dissension among the rank and file.
He doesn't care, as long as he "wins," by which I mean crushes and humiliates anybody who hasn't agreed with him for the past several months.
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I'm tired of this stupid argument. I don't even have a side and I'm getting sucked in. It's time for a beer. And more.
Of course you have a side. Otherwise, you wouldn't allow yourself to get sucked in. :chairbang:
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Forget it! I'm not playing that stupid game anymore! Donald J. Trump IS the president of the United States!
Didn't you get the memo? It's "Throwback Tuesday". All the hits from the '16 primary are going to be argued today, all day.
Don't worry. Tommorow will be more fun. "Double Shot Wednesday". You have to post all your screeds twice!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU
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He doesn't care, as long as he "wins," by which I mean crushes and humiliates anybody who hasn't agreed with him for the past several months.
It's a long list...
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I am not going to bend over for the sake of unity. You can just forget that.
Not surprised! You're too f'n stupid to ever figure it out!
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I am not going to bend over for the sake of unity. You can just forget that.
Come on man. Grab your ankles. Take one for Team GOP!
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He doesn't care, as long as he "wins," by which I mean crushes and humiliates anybody who hasn't agreed with him for the past several months.
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Of course you have a side. Otherwise, you wouldn't allow yourself to get sucked in. :chairbang:
Good point. I'm on MY side. I was doing fine until I was given a reason to do otherwise...lol.
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Come on man. Grab your ankles. Take one for Team GOP!
Go ahead. I won't judge.
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Didn't you get the memo? It's "Throwback Tuesday". All the hits from the '16 primary are going to be argued today, all day.
Don't worry. Tommorow will be more fun. "Double Shot Wednesday". You have to post all your screeds twice!
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You're a bad, bad person!!! :silly:
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Come on man. Grab your ankles. Take one for Team GOP!
It's one of the duties of a true winner. That he cannot is interesting, to say the least.
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Come on man. Grab your ankles. Take one for Team GOP!
Besides @Jazzhead won't care either.
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I am not going to bend over for the sake of unity. You can just forget that.
Hold on, pardner! That's exactly what you've been expecting us Never-Trumpers to do ever since he won the nomination. That's the entire mantra of your FRiends at TOS.
So riddle me this...why do we have to be the ones to bend over for the sake of unity? Any one with a modicum of knowledge of American history understands this is not how America rolls.
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I'm stealing that.
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Besides @Jazzhead won't care either.
Boy howdy, is God going to get you for that. 888high58888
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Hold on, pardner! That's exactly what you've been expecting us Never-Trumpers to do ever since he won the nomination. That's the entire mantra of your FRiends at TOS.
So riddle me this...why do we have to be the ones to bend over for the sake of unity? Any one with a modicum of knowledge of American history understands this is not how America rolls.
Consider TOS's election year influx of foreign posters and the obvious unfamiliarity with American values, what on earth makes you think he's American ? He hasn't shown it here.
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Good point. I'm on MY side. I was doing fine until I was given a reason to do otherwise...lol.
I thought you were on the side of truth, justice and the American way!
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I thought you were on the side of truth, justice and the American way!
I am! It happens to be MY WAY too! What's good for me is good for the Country!
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I thought you were on the side of truth, justice and the American way!
Can he jump higher than a speeding bullet?
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Can he jump higher than a speeding bullet?
There's a tie in here to the ankle grab thing earlier, isn't there...
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Can he jump higher than a speeding bullet?
Leap tall trains with a single bound?
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Leap tall trains with a single bound?
What the hell does him jumping single trannies have to do with anything? If he is into that it's his business.
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What the hell does him jumping single trannies have to do with anything? If he is into that it's his business.
As long as it's in a women's bathroom, @Jazzhead should be fine with it.
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As long as it's in a women's bathroom, @Jazzhead should be fine with it.
Yu'r killin me Jake! ****slapping
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You Rang?
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So lies about Trump should go unanswered? I tried not to engage, but the lie was repeated and repeated. At some point you have to refute a lie.
Don't let them get to you. IGNORE their insults...impugning your intellect and truthfulness. Your contribution here is much appreciated.
They're getting emboldened because the news cycle right now is Flynn, and the GOP Senate-led call for an investigator.
First chance in a dog's age they can strut their stuff.
They're going to try to make it impossible for him to govern effectively.
Key word, "try". :laugh:
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Don't let them get to you. IGNORE their insults...impugning your intellect and truthfulness. Your contribution here is much appreciated.
They're getting emboldened because the news cycle right now is Flynn, and the GOP Senate-led call for an investigator.
To be clear, a few of us have flatly stated Trump isn't the problem with Flynn and don't blame him for this fiasco.
the problem is that someone can't help but spread discredited BS about Ted Cruz. And PPS, HE brought it up/got this mess started so lay the blame where it belongs.
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Don't let them get to you. IGNORE their insults...impugning your intellect and truthfulness. Your contribution here is much appreciated.
They're getting emboldened because the news cycle right now is Flynn, and the GOP Senate-led call for an investigator.
First chance in a dog's age they can strut their stuff.
They're going to try to make it impossible for him to govern effectively.
Key word, "try". :laugh:
DC - he is peddling old, discredited lies and slander and you tell him to keep on keeping on? Wow.
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Don't let them get to you. IGNORE their insults...impugning your intellect and truthfulness. Your contribution here is much appreciated.
They're getting emboldened because the news cycle right now is Flynn, and the GOP Senate-led call for an investigator.
First chance in a dog's age they can strut their stuff.
They're going to try to make it impossible for him to govern effectively.
Key word, "try". :laugh:
bigun you know better than that!
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Furthermore, I invite every single one of the posters for the last two to STOP....and go read it all again.
If the person being savaged was some nutcase in your camp...the MOD would have shut this crap down pages ago.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
@mystery-ak
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Furthermore, I invite every single one of the posters for the last two to STOP....and go read it all again.
If the person being savaged was some nutcase in your camp...the MOD would have shut this crap down pages ago.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
@mystery-ak
Ah, so you didn't read it.
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Furthermore, I invite every single one of the posters for the last two to STOP....and go read it all again.
If the person being savaged was some nutcase in your camp...the MOD would have shut this crap down pages ago.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
@mystery-ak
Should have stopped it when they lies about Ted Cruz began you mean.
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And you are a stupid as he is! Did you even read through this thread before you posted that drivel?
@mystery-ak
@Mod1
I won't be spoken to like that by anyone....especially from somebody that should know better.
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To be clear, a few of us have flatly stated Trump isn't the problem with Flynn and don't blame him for this fiasco.
Unless I missed a post on one of the 16 threads about Flynn - no one has blamed Trump in the slightest. Flynn's own damned fault is about the harshest condemnation.
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What the hell does him jumping single trannies have to do with anything? If he is into that it's his business.
I'm faster than a speeding building. Leave Bruce Jenner out of this bathroom.
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Unless I missed a post on one of the 16 threads about Flynn - no one has blamed Trump in the slightest. Flynn's own damned fault is about the harshest condemnation.
Yea but as usual, the fanatic wing needs to lash out to real OR IMAGINED threats to Trump. So they started the war back up again.
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Don't let them get to you. IGNORE their insults...impugning your intellect and truthfulness. Your contribution here is much appreciated.
truthfulness is a relative term to @jpsb
They're getting emboldened because the news cycle right now is Flynn, and the GOP Senate-led call for an investigator.
First chance in a dog's age they can strut their stuff.
They're going to try to make it impossible for him to govern effectively.
Key word, "try". :laugh:
@DCPatriot
As a 'use to be' charter member of #nevertrump I take no delight in his misfortunes but the fault lies clearly with his inability to get a grasp on things like governing, stopping the damn leaks, the botched immigration EO was another SNAFU and I'm not even gonna bring up Auhnolds TV ratings.
He is inexperienced at this, I get that, but it also appears the people that he trusted to advise him are failing him also, if he's even listening to them.
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@mystery-ak
@Mod1
I won't be spoken to like that by anyone....especially from somebody that should know better.
Bully for you. Improper grammar and spelling is really becoming an issue around here. Time to stamp it out.
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I'm not even sure who's on what side anymore.
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I'm not even sure who's on what side anymore.
Doesn't matter. Whatever side your on, I am on the other.
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Should have stopped it when they lies about Ted Cruz began you mean.
I'm speaking about reading the thread STRICTLY as a casual observer.
I had left the thread over an hour ago, and all the new posts were multiple members eating him alive.
It's textbook wolf pack BS.
It's unbecoming.
If it was a anti-Trump poster in his place, the moderating would have shown up long ago.
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Doesn't matter. Whatever side your on, I am on the other.
Careful. That is how you get stuck with designated driver ....
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Doesn't matter. Whatever side your on, I am on the other.
Your what? Your just trying to get DC's goat.
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Doesn't matter. Whatever side your on, I am on the other.
I'm on your side big guy! Let's fight the system together! :patriot:
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Your contribution here is much appreciated.
@DCPatriot
Thank You, this is not an easy place to be for someone that supports president Trump. Not complaining, just saying.
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Bully for you. Improper grammar and spelling is really becoming an issue around here. Time to stamp it out.
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I'm on your side big guy! Let's fight the system together! :patriot:
You silly bastard. I am a jerk. There is no way in hell I'm getting on my side for anything. You can have me.
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I'm speaking about reading the thread STRICTLY as a casual observer.
I had left the thread over an hour ago, and all the new posts were multiple members eating him alive.
It's textbook wolf pack BS.
It's unbecoming.
If it was a anti-Trump poster in his place, the moderating would have shown up long ago.
:shrug:
Actually it's good people calling a liar out on his lying. If that results in a wolf pack, well, maybe he shouldn't continue doubling down and perpetuating the responses.
'Unbecoming' is character assassinating Ted Cruz based on multiply disproved lies and continuing a holy war between posters here for no good reason other than to soothe his mad-on..
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truthfulness is a relative term to @jpsb
@DCPatriot
As a 'use to be' charter member of #nevertrump I take no delight in his misfortunes but the fault lies clearly with his inability to get a grasp on things like governing, stopping the damn leaks, the botched immigration EO was another SNAFU and I'm not even gonna bring up Auhnolds TV ratings.
He is inexperienced at this, I get that, but it also appears the people that he trusted to advise him are failing him also, if he's even listening to them.
Okay....he's not a politician, and he's fighting this all by himself. He's been placed into a bunker mentality, in less than a month.
He's fighting the DEMS...he's fighting the MEDIA...he's fighting the GOPe.
I understand Trump himself asked for his resignation.
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There's a tie in here to the ankle grab thing earlier, isn't there...
Did you hear the one about the reluctant Paratrooper and His Jump Master?
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Did you hear the one about the reluctant Paratrooper and His Jump Master?
Nope. Amuse me ;
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I'm not even sure who's on what side anymore.
Dude. Everyone knows Who's On First.
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Dude. Everyone knows Who's On First.
Who?
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Nope. Amuse me ;
This thread has gone to hell.... why not.
A young man joined the Army and signed up with the paratroopers. He went though the standard training, completed the practice jumps from higher and higher structures, and finally went to take his first jump from an airplane. The next day, he called home to his father to tell him the news.
"So, did you jump?" the father asked.
"Well, let me tell you what happened. We got up in the plane, and the sergeant opened up the door and asked for volunteers. About a dozen men got up and just walked out of the plane!"
"Is that when you jumped?" asked the father.
"Um, not yet. Then the sergeant started to grab the other men one at a time and throw them out the door."
"Did you jump then?" asked the father.
"I'm getting to that. Every one else had jumped, and I was the last man left on the plane. I told the sergeant that I was too scared to jump. He told be to get off the plane or he'd kick my butt."
"So, did you jump?"
"Not then. He tried to push me out of the plane, but I grabbed onto the door and refused to go. Finally he called over the Jump Master. The Jump Master is this great big guy, about six-foot five, and 250 pounds. He said to me, `Boy, are you gonna jump or not?' I said, `No, sir. I'm too scared.' So the Jump Master pulled down his zipper and took his penis out. I swear, it was about ten inches long and as big around as a baseball bat! He said, `Boy, either you jump out that door, or I'm sticking this little baby up your @ss.'"
"So, did you jump?" asked the father.
"Well, a little, at first."
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Actually it's good people calling a liar out on his lying. If that results in a wolf pack, well, maybe he shouldn't continue doubling down and perpetuating the responses.
'Unbecoming' is character assassinating Ted Cruz based on multiply disproved lies and continuing a holy war between posters here for no good reason other than to soothe his mad-on..
Look....I've been around the block a few times. Just like you...going near 20 years.
The conversation was lost because of the attacks in each and every post. And the back-slapping... **nononono*
It's never been allowed here since Day 1.
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@Wingnut thanks for the laugh, never heard that one.
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"Well, a little, at first."
We are indeed amused ;)
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Look....I've been around the block a few times. Just like you...going near 20 years.
The conversation was lost because of the attacks in each and every post. And the back-slapping... **nononono*
It's never been allowed here since Day 1.
must be a matter of perception @DCPatriot cause I've been in and out of this thread all day and I just didn't see what you claim exists.
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Look....I've been around the block a few times. Just like you...going near 20 years.
The conversation was lost because of the attacks in each and every post. And the back-slapping... **nononono*
It's never been allowed here since Day 1.
Shut the hell up DC or I'm gonna send that Jump Master after you! :laugh:
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Okay....it's me! 22222frying pan
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Who?
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Can't we move on from the primaries?....We have bigger things to worry about now.
Like Trump or not the Rats are trying to over-take the Presidency...we can't let that happen.
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Look....I've been around the block a few times. Just like you...going near 20 years.
The conversation was lost because of the attacks in each and every post. And the back-slapping... **nononono*
It's never been allowed here since Day 1.
Please. We both know there are no innocents here including the mods. Some days Nevertrump won, somedays Evertrump won, sometimes it rained.
None of that has squat to do with one of Evertrump rekindling the whole war with his Ted Cruz opening salvo. Thats what started this TODAY and he got what he deserved, backslapping included because his mad-on was too hot and throbbing to let go of.
The nect time he does it he will get exactly the same treatment from me ans probably everything else. Since he's one of yours, I humbly suggest you put a leash on your animal and housebreak him.
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Well the colors are right but thats a funny looking Tardis...
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Please. We both know there are no innocents here including the mods. Some days Nevertrump won, somedays Evertrump won, sometimes it rained.
None of that has squat to do with one of Evertrump rekindling the whole war with his Ted Cruz opening salvo. Thats what started this TODAY and he got what he deserved, backslapping included because his mad-on was too hot and throbbing to let go of.
The nect time he does it he will get exactly the same treatment from me ans probably everything else. Since he's one of yours, I humbly suggest you put a leash on your animal and housebreak him.
Maybe that's what it was....I walked in...in the middle of a Cruz War.
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Can't we move on from the primaries?....We have bigger things to worry about now.
Like Trump or not the Rats are trying to over-take the Presidency...we can't let that happen.
Sorry @mystery-ak I will never again allow myself to be provoked into refighting the Cruz/Trump wars. I should not have gone there and I apologize.
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Sorry @mystery-ak I will never again allow myself to be provoked into refighting the Cruz/Trump wars. I should not have gone there and I apologize.
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Sorry @mystery-ak I will never again allow myself to be provoked into refighting the Cruz/Trump wars. I should not have gone there and I apologize.
Good man.
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Sorry @mystery-ak I will never again allow myself to be provoked into refighting the Cruz/Trump wars. I should not have gone there and I apologize.
Thanks jpsb
Nothing to gain by re-fighting those battles..lol
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Thank goodness! Now I can go open up the Blue Moon I've had chilling, maybe pour me some Bourbon on the side....
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Thanks jpsb
Nothing to gain by re-fighting those battles..lol
Can we still re-fight the Howard Baker/Ronald Reagan/GHW Bush battles from '79-'80? Some of us are still grinding an ax over that.
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Can we still re-fight the Howard Baker/Ronald Reagan/GHW Bush battles from '79-'80? Some of us are still grinding an ax over that.
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Wait a sec...I need to go fetch my Boilermaker.
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Timeline of events leading up to Michael Flynn's resignation
Colleen Shalby
Los Angeles Times
February 14, 2017
Less than a month in to the new administration, President Trump's National Security Adviser, Gen. Michael Flynn, resigned after reports that he had misled his White House colleagues, including Vice President Mike Pence, about conversations he'd had with Russia's ambassador to Washington.
In those conversations, Flynn discussed sanctions that the Obama administration had imposed on Russia to punish Moscow for its interference in the U.S. election. Those conversations could have violated the Logan Act, which prevents unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments in relation to "disputes or controversies." The law, however, which was enacted in the 1790s, has never been used to prosecute anyone.
Here's the timeline of events leading up to Flynn's resignation:
More (http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-timeline-of-events-leading-up-to-1487106331-htmlstory.html)
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ALL swamp critters are worried! They are worried that their swamp might actually see some draining and won't stand for that!
It is about time Trump drained the swamp of the men he put into positions of power. Go Trump!
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@mystery-ak steps in to stop the fussing, @jpsb is man enough to apologize, then you immediately post something to stir the pot.
I didn't see anything like that?
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I didn't see anything like that?
Is that a question? :laugh:
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Is that a question? :laugh:
It's hard to tell. Wingding is an "up-talker," and everything sounds like a question.
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@mystery-ak steps in to stop the fussing, @jpsb is man enough to apologize, then you immediately post something to stir the pot. Dude. Really?
I'm so sorry. I didn't know didn't know I wasn't supposed to have an opinion on page 7 until I got here.
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I didn't see anything like that?
Someone set us up the bomb?
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I'm so sorry. I didn't know didn't know I wasn't supposed to have an opinion on page 7 until I got here.
Ya gotta keep up, Bro. :silly:
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I apologize myself. I should have worded it a bit better. ;) Sorry, @Once-Ler
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It's hard to tell. Wingding is an "up-talker," and everything sounds like a question.
Otherwise known as a Valley Girl or Millennial.
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It's hard to tell. Wingding is an "up-talker," and everything sounds like a question.
I am a complicated Man. No one understands me but my women.
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I am a complicated Man. No one understands me but my women.
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I am a complicated Man. No one understands me but my women.
They only pretend to. But, they love you anyway.
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I am a complicated Man. No one understands me but my women.
Just put on your best dress...us complicated types are forming a club. We meet in the womens bathroom on tuesday nights, freeway rest stops on thursdays and weekends are for Pilot Truck stops along I40.
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Just put on your best dress...us complicated types are forming a club. We meet in the womens bathroom on tuesday nights, freeway rest stops on thursdays and weekends are for Pilot Truck stops along I40.
Do you wear one of those nasty pink hats?
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His shoes are to die for!
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Do you wear one of those nasty pink hats?
@CatherineofAragon
No, just my red wig and pink strappy heels. I find them to be most flattering to my calves whether or not I shave my legs first.
I am woman, hear me roar.
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Do you wear one of those nasty pink hats?
His shoes are to die for!
@CatherineofAragon
No, just my red wig and pink strappy heels. I find them to be most flattering to my calves whether or not I shave my legs first.
I am woman, hear me roar.
It take a lot. I mean a whole lot..but you three are scaring me.
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@CatherineofAragon
No, just my red wig and pink strappy heels. I find them to be most flattering to my calves whether or not I shave my legs first.
I am woman, hear me roar.
I think I've seen you!
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I am a complicated Man. No one understands me but my women.
Let me guess. A lesbian trapped in a man's body. Right? :silly:
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I think I've seen you!
I know damned well I did! Yesterday afternoon! Wal Mart. By the freezer where they keep the ice cream!
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I think I've seen you!
Well that could be more true than you know...because I ONLY wear the pink strappy heals and a red wig. So if you have, you've seen ALL of me!
And I look FABULOUS!!!!!!
I also like prancing.
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I know damned well I did! Yesterday afternoon! Wal Mart. By the freezer where they keep the ice cream!
Shrinkage!
/Seinfeld
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Shrinkage!
/Seinfeld
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Let me guess. A lesbian trapped in a man's body. Right? :silly:
Right on
You see this cat is a bad mother....
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:silly:
I just got out of the pool!!!!
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His shoes are to die for!
@Sanguine
You had to get him started...!
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@Sanguine
You had to get him started...!
Yeah, that really went south fast, didn't it?
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Well that could be more true than you know...because I ONLY wear the pink strappy heals and a red wig. So if you have, you've seen ALL of me!
And I look FABULOUS!!!!!!
I also like prancing.
@Norm Lenhart
I just got here, and already I'm running for the door.
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@Norm Lenhart
I just got here, and already I'm running for the door.
Don't gimmie no sass cuz I rock a pair of heels better than you, girlfriend....
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Yeah, that really went south fast, didn't it?
Don't hate me because I'm beautiful...
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From trump's cabinets, to closets, to clothes lines, this thread is like a real life version of a LGBTV DITY show.
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Don't hate me because I'm beautiful...
Easy enough.
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Don't hate me because I'm beautiful...
You're so vain...
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Right on
You see this cat is a bad mother....
Hey, you doing an Ann and Nancy tribute thread?
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Hey, you doing an Ann and Nancy tribute thread?
Did they do Shaft tribute too?
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You're so vain... @Norm Lenhart
Varicose
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Varicose
Just one?
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Don't gimmie no sass cuz I rock a pair of heels better than you, girlfriend....
Norm, if I remember correctly, you're a basset guy, and dog owners tend to resemble their dogs over time....so, well, I'm just having a hard time with this.
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Did they do Shaft tribute too?
Wait a minute. Are you trying to steer this back to the thread topic?
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You're so vain...
My legendary modesty prevents me from discussing the hours I spend in the mirror basking in my own glow. I don't have time for vanity...A womans work is never done.
I am thinking of starting a youtube channel for mens beauty tips though.
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Did they do Shaft tribute too?
Only tributes to Shaft.
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My legendary modesty prevents me from discussing the hours I spend in the mirror basking in my own glow. I don't have time for vanity...A womans work is never done.
I am thinking of starting a youtube channel for mens beauty tips though.
That would be a very quiet channel, consisting basically of: "take a bath!"
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Norm, if I remember correctly, you're a basset guy, and dog owners tend to resemble their dogs over time....so, well, I'm just having a hard time with this.
OMG I have bulldogs.... :whistle:
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Norm, if I remember correctly, you're a basset guy, and dog owners tend to resemble their dogs over time....so, well, I'm just having a hard time with this.
Well you know what they say about big paws...er...feet and hands.
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Just one?
They merged.
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Wait a minute. Are you trying to steer this back to the thread topic?
You know there are at least 4 maybe 5 song references running up and down this thread right now.
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Uh, did I just stumble into the Lounge - or has this thread gone horribly off-topic?
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Uh, did I just stumble into the Lounge - or has this thread gone horribly off-topic?
Ride the wave baby...ride the wave!
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Uh, did I just stumble into the Lounge - or has this thread gone horribly off-topic?
Horribly and irretrievably.
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Well you know what they say about big paws...er...feet and hands.
It's the ears. Signs of a good listener.
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Uh, did I just stumble into the Lounge - or has this thread gone horribly off-topic?
Yeah, people. Stay on topic.
The gardening girl Melania's Valentine gift to her hubby.
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OMG I have bulldogs.... :whistle:
Yeah, well I have a papillion, and if you knew me that would make you laugh. I think it only works for Norm.
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It's the ears. Signs of a good listener.
I dunno...Ever try getting a basset to listen? They hear great. Listen? Not so much.
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Yeah, well I have a papillion, and if you knew me that would make you laugh. I think it only works for Norm.
Okay I feel better now....
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Yeah, well I have a papillion, and if you knew me that would make you laugh. I think it only works for Norm.
I have two white labs, a schnauzer, and a jac Russell.
I'm very confused!
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Uh, did I just stumble into the Lounge - or has this thread gone horribly off-topic?
It's gone horribly.
@alicewonders
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Come on folks let's get back on topic.
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Come on folks let's get back on topic.
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The topix was.......Pumps and sweater puppies? cool. who knew?
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I have two white labs, a schnauzer, and a jac Russell.
I'm very confused!
I've seen your picture and I can attest you don't look like any of those...
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I've seen your picture and I can attest you don't look like any of those...
Whew! What a relief!
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found this:
Which Dog Breed Do You Look Like?
http://www.playbuzz.com/answers10/which-dog-breed-do-you-look-like (http://www.playbuzz.com/answers10/which-dog-breed-do-you-look-like)
My results:
You’re a Boxer! You always look fantastic, but you never really notice because you’re so busy enjoying life and having fun--who actually has time to sit in front of a mirror for hours each day? You usually stick to low-maintenance styles because you have better things to do than focus on your appearance, but even with minimal effort you always manage to look amazing.
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What is the topic again?
Flim-Flam Flynn Flayed
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Uh, did I just stumble into the Lounge - or has this thread gone horribly off-topic?
Don't look at me . . . I . . .
Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In) (The First Edition) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-GbcVW8DFY)
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Don't look at me . . . I . . .
Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In) (The First Edition) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-GbcVW8DFY)
Poor Kenny. Never really made it in the Rock n Roll world.
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I am a complicated Man. No one understands me but my women.
I know the song....
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Come on folks let's get back on topic.
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Nice. High maintenance chicks. Just my speed.
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Nice. High maintenance chicks. Just my speed.
:beer: :laugh:
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found this:
Which Dog Breed Do You Look Like?
http://www.playbuzz.com/answers10/which-dog-breed-do-you-look-like (http://www.playbuzz.com/answers10/which-dog-breed-do-you-look-like)
My results:
You’re a Boxer! You always look fantastic, but you never really notice because you’re so busy enjoying life and having fun--who actually has time to sit in front of a mirror for hours each day? You usually stick to low-maintenance styles because you have better things to do than focus on your appearance, but even with minimal effort you always manage to look amazing.
I'm a golden retriever.
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I'm a golden retriever.
I'm a German Shepherd (Alsatian). At least they got the nationality right. I feel the questions were geared towards chicks.
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Nice. High maintenance chicks. Just my speed.
You DO realize those are high maintenance dudes right?
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I was referring to Blunt and other Congresscritters.
but Flynn is the one who lied about his activities vis-a-vis a foreign power, that made him a real security risk.
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You DO realize those are high maintenance dudes right?
Based on what? Those are chicks.
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This guy has been a loose cannon and all around moron for a while. Glad he's gone.
I am confused by this whole thing but I know very little about the guy. However, I respect your opinion.
There is so much gossip and speculation going on about this... it was orchestrated by Obama, etc.
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Based on what? Those are chicks.
Based on the throat scar from the adams apple shave on the left 'chick' and the wig plus hands on the one on the right. If they arent trannies, I'd be surprised.
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I didn't see him use that excuse.
It would have been difficult since he is a Dem.
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Based on the throat scar from the adams apple shave on the left 'chick' and the wig plus hands on the one on the right. If they arent trannies, I'd be surprised.
Can you direct me to the Daily Mail story where that came from?
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Can you direct me to the Daily Mail story where that came from?
Sorry, No idea where it came from.
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Bump! Bump! Bump! What she said!
Yes. She said it well. I'm wondering exactly what end game the Republicans here want. We know what the democrats want.
So, do we want Trump to be impeached? Hillary would dance in the streets and who wants to see that.
Given Trump's personal limitations, I think he's done a pretty good job so far.
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@jpsb None of the above is true and adds fuel to the fire. Just a ridiculous post that appears to show that you need to "get over it.", and did not do your research. By the same token that I accuse others of wanting Trump to fail, this ridiculous post could be taken in the same vein as purposefully trying to stir the pot to reignite old resentments. I suggest you stop this sort of thing unless you are wanting dissension among the rank and file.
Good Lord, I am trying to give up Trump hate some trumpers cannot give up Cruz hate. Everything said in the post about cruz from (can't remember who)? was totally false and ridiculous.
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Sorry, No idea where it came from.
My expert opinion is that the chick in the Chanel suit is a chick. I'm about 97% sure about the broad in the pink. When their 50+ years old there could be a remote chance I am wrong.
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My expert opinion is that the chick in the Chanel suit is a chick. I'm about 97% sure about the broad in the pink. When their 50+ years old there could be a remote chance I am wrong.
Maybe they are, but when I first saw the pic, something said 'tranny' to me immediately.
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@DCPatriot
Thank You, this is not an easy place to be for someone that supports president Trump. Not complaining, just saying.
C'mon. It's okay to support Trump ... I'm trying it myself. It's not okay to be obnoxious and bring up old discredited lies about Ted Cruz. Give it up, man.
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@CatherineofAragon
No, just my red wig and pink strappy heels. I find them to be most flattering to my calves whether or not I shave my legs first.
I am woman, hear me roar.
But can you run in heels?
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But can you run in heels?
Generally I just pose seductively and marvel in how men want me and women want to be me.
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I'm a golden retriever.
I inherited William Safire's pet, Peeve, an information retriever.
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Maybe they are, but when I first saw the pic, something said 'tranny' to me immediately.
First thing that screams out at me with those chicks is an awesome night at the clubs. They look like they know how to party.
BTW, always check the hands first. They are your first sign of danger. You can surgerize almost any part of the body.....but the hands.
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I inherited William Safire's pet, Peeve, an information retriever.
Nice. Best thing he ever wrote was a fiction novel about the Civil War.
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Nice. Best thing he ever wrote was a fiction novel about the Civil War.
I liked that novel, but the best things he ever wrote were, in no order of preference:
* His regular political columns. (I've always lamented that Safire's Washington was the only known anthology of them.
* Safire's Political Dictionary.
* His "On Language" column and the books collected therefrom, including (but not limited to) What's the Good Word, No Uncertain Terms,
Quoth the Maven, In Love with Norma Loquendi, and more.
Damn, I miss him.
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My expert opinion is that the chick in the Chanel suit is a chick. I'm about 97% sure about the broad in the pink. When their 50+ years old there could be a remote chance I am wrong.
Never paid much attention to the pic previous to now but upon closer examination, I would say they are guys! At least DNA wise.
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Never paid much attention to the pic previous to now but upon closer examination, I would say they are guys! At least DNA wise.
so we are talking, the low spark of high heeled boys.
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so we are talking, the low spark of high heeled boys.
MANY years ago during the course of a visit to Bourbon Street I dropped my wallet. Had to kick the damned thing all the way to New Iberia before I felt it was safe to pick it up!
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MANY years ago during the course of a visit to Bourbon Street and dropped my wallet. Had to kick the damned thing all the way to New Iberia before I felt it was safe to pick it up!
Okay I'm in the doctors office lmao over that one. and people are giving me the stink eye
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Off topic - Woo Hoo!!!!
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Off topic - Woo Hoo!!!!
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Cute, Alice.
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Mike Flynn Is First Casualty of Turmoil in Trump Administration
By Michael C. Bender and
Rebecca Ballhaus
Updated Feb. 14, 2017 8:58 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON—Dining at his oceanside resort in Florida on Friday, President Donald Trump was surprised to learn that national security adviser Mike Flynn was sitting at a nearby table, a person familiar with the event said.
“What is he doing here?” the president said, describing the man who was once at the center of his political orbit as “very controversial.”
After National Security Adviser Michael Flynn resigned on Monday, questions remain about his discussion of sanctions with Russia’s ambassador. What are some of the unknowns? WSJ’s Jason Bellini reports. Photo: AP
The moment epitomizes how quickly fortunes can change amid the chaos that has defined the opening act of Mr. Trump’s presidency. In just a few weeks, the nascent administration is being weighed down from within, sidetracked by dishonesty and potential ethical lapses as well as attacks from his own supporters and fellow Republicans....
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-is-first-casualty-of-turmoil-in-trump-administration-1487121454
Wall Street Journal weighs in. This one isn't behind the paywall.
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Off topic - Woo Hoo!!!!
:nono:
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Wall Street Journal weighs in. This one isn't behind the paywall.
Wall Street Journal.....meh.
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Off topic - Woo Hoo!!!!
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CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/cia_broke_the_law_to_take_out_its_critic_general_flynn.html
I hope that Mike Pompeo has what it takes to clean up the mess his Muslim predecessor left for him!
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CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/cia_broke_the_law_to_take_out_its_critic_general_flynn.html
I hope that Mike Pompeo has what it takes to clean up the mess his Muslim predecessor left for him!
Thanks for trying to get it back on topic. Unfortunately - no one else seems to care.
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That's it. Topic locked.