The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: endicom on December 27, 2016, 12:26:57 am
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zomblog
Zombie
Dec. 19, 2016
Donald Trump’s victory in November was not only the most important election result of our lifetimes, but ranks as one of the most significant events in recorded history, on par with the French Revolution or the fall of the Berlin Wall. And I’ll tell you why.
Western society is super-saturated with leftist propaganda. Politically astute non-leftists see it everywhere and complain about it incessantly — because it is ubiquitous. In fact, most of our waking hours are spent noticing, commenting upon, getting outraged by and then futilely combatting the endless, relentless leftist slant to everything in modern culture.
More... http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/
Good to see zomblog active again.
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I thought it was the Rose Bowl this week, not the Hyper Bowl.
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I'll agree with that...on numerous levels.
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I can't believe there are people out there that actually think like that...guess fake news must evolve into fake opinions... :shrug:
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:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
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Well, if zombietime/zomblog says it, I know it must be true.
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I can't believe there are people out there that actually think like that...guess fake news must evolve into fake opinions... :shrug:
Apparently the only way to defeat lies from the left is to lie more than they do.
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:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
That may be your opinion but it is not a fact. On Jan 20, 2017, Donald Trump will be sworn in as POTUS. He will be the president of all of our nation.
You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts....
Opinions are not facts, even when they are yours.....
Get over it, get used to it, and get on with life as a mature and rational adult.
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Western society is super-saturated with leftist propaganda. Politically astute non-leftists see it everywhere and complain about it incessantly — because it is ubiquitous. In fact, most of our waking hours are spent noticing, commenting upon, getting outraged by and then futilely combatting the endless, relentless leftist slant to everything in modern culture.
And yet all of the candidates given to us this year, from Clinton and Trump down through Johnson, Stein and even McMullin, buy into this poisoned culture.
This was no pivotal election. This was the year we permanently lost our voice. And these charlatans who want to pretend this is a victory will continue to tout their messiah.
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I thought it was the Rose Bowl this week, not the Hyper Bowl.
I've been to several sites where the course of human history changed, such as the Trinity Site in New Mexico and Sun Studio in Memphis. Electing Trump as the next POTUS doesn't quite register with those events.
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Get over it, get used to it, and get on with life as a mature and rational adult.
That is exactly why I'm not a Trump supporter
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That may be your opinion but it is not a fact. On Jan 20, 2017, Donald Trump will be sworn in as POTUS. He will be the president of all of our nation.
You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts....
Opinions are not facts, even when they are yours.....
Get over it, get used to it, and get on with life as a mature and rational adult.
This article is incredibly stupid. Give it a break. We will see what Trump does when he actually becomes President. Yes we have seen this leftist indoctrination in our education. It has really made me mad. Revisionist History too. You can spot it easily by having a conversation with any young person who has been schooled in our higher Communist education system. But this article doesn't take into account who Donald Trump is. Its all about him and his wealth. We watched him flip flop through the process and he is still liberal himself.
Seems like some are already bowing at the feet of their new god.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 1h1 hour ago
I gave millions of dollars to DJT Foundation, raised or recieved millions more, ALL of which is given to charity, and media won't report!
Donald J. Trump Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
The DJT Foundation, unlike most foundations, never paid fees, rent, salaries or any expenses. 100% of money goes to wonderful charities!
What charities?
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Trump supporters want him awarded the Nobel Prize like Obama was.
The two are incredibly alike.
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Considering the title, and that the name of the website is "zombietime.com", I thought what this guy had to say would be pretty off-the-wall.
But it's not.
It's actually a pretty interesting essay.
Addendum:
And, yes, I did read the whole thing.
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Donald J. Trump Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
The DJT Foundation, unlike most foundations, never paid fees, rent, salaries or any expenses. 100% of money goes to wonderful charities!
What charities?
Trump uses it as a slush fund, he gives gifts to business partners and things like that. This unlicensed foundation is incredibly inefficient and Trump just likes using other peoples money.
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Trump uses it as a slush fund, he gives gifts to business partners and things like that. This unlicensed foundation is incredibly inefficient and Trump just likes using other peoples money.
Trump is putting it out there for everyone to question. He wouldn't release his taxes before. Its like he is daring people to investigate
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Considering the title, and that the name of the website is "zombietime.com", I thought what this guy had to say would be pretty off-the-wall.
But it's not.
It's actually a pretty interesting essay.
Addendum:
And, yes, I did read the whole thing.
Zombie has in the past done great with photo exposes of events.
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We don't really know what Trump will or will not accomplish over the next four years, many events will simply have to play themselves out. But the potential exists for some significant game changers.
The Media - Having neglected and abused their fundamental purpose, the Fourth Estate long ago folded a winning hand and will continue the trend of becoming increasingly insignificant. So much for the checks and balances the Founders counted upon to the keep the Republic somewhat on the straight and narrow. I expect Trump will wage a personal war against the media.
Populism - From Brexit, to Trump, to Marine Le Pen in France, populism is sweeping the globe. This is a natural human reaction to governments that are overbearing, over reaching and unaccountable. But we've seen this movie before - history is full of examples where things look rosy for a little while but turn ugly in the end.
Restraint - George Washington shocked the country (and the world) when he resigned his commission as Commander-in-Chief of the Army and announced he would retire to private life. No one could recall in human history where a person walked away from such a major position of power, and it sent shock waves across the globe. Will a Trump administration systematically neuter the Godzilla that is Washington DC and return power to the states?
Accountability - The VA is systematically killing our vets and our fearless leaders have promised to look into it. If things get really, really hideous they say they might even have to fire somebody. 'Nuff said.
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Essay is a good source of pure untapped idiocy, in it's most basic elemental form.
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What charities?
Trump defends foundation after vowing to shut it down
http://nypost.com/2016/12/27/trump-defends-foundation-after-vowing-to-shut-it-down/
...The foundation has been the target of critics for allegedly misusing funds. In September, Trump paid a $2,500 penalty after it was revealed that the foundation violated tax laws when it made a political contribution.
The non-profit is also under investigation by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman....
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Trump’s Foundation Appears To Be Guilty Of What He Accused Hillary Clinton of Doing
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/22/donald-trumps-foundation-guilty-accused-hillary-clintons-foundation.html
...We already knew about the ongoing investigation into the Trump Foundation for self-dealing by the New York Attorney General, but David A. Fahrenthold struck again, having found that President-elect Donald Trump’s foundation admitted to the IRS that it used its charity money to help the leaders, their businesses or families.
At the risk of repeating myself, it’s called self-dealing.
“That admission was contained in the Donald J. Trump Foundation’s IRS tax filings for 2015, which were recently posted online at the nonprofit-tracking site GuideStar. A GuideStar spokesman said the forms were uploaded by the Trump Foundation’s law firm, Morgan, Lewis and Bockius,” Fahrenthold reported Tuesday in the Washington Post. Fahrenthold was alerted to the filing by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW).
Things get even stickier according to Philip Hackney, who told Fahrenthold that this disclosure leads to the question why it’s the first time the charity has admitted to self-dealing. “He said that, since the prior years’ returns were signed by Trump, that opened the president-elect to questions about what he had missed and how.”
Trump has not explained where the assets are that his foundation purchased for him, his wife, and others or how these situations were charity, other than a spokesperson claiming that his bar hanging a $10,000.00 picture of him purchased by the foundation was a favor for the charity, as it was providing storage. It’s unclear what transactions they are admitting to as self-dealing....
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uh huh
Pivotal.
You put your head in
You put your head out
Put your head in
And bang it all about
Do the hokey pokey
And turn yourself around
That's what it's all about
Let's do the hokey pokey!
Let's do the hokey pokey!
Let's do the hokey pokey!
That's what it's all about
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I know why they call this the Zomblog. The writers are spaced out on heroin.
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/snicker
Yeah, the Industrial Revolution had nothing on Trump. And those guys who beat the British back in the 1770s? Pikers compared to Saint Trump.
These people are sick. Cults of personality are sick.
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Yeah, the Industrial Revolution had nothing on Trump. And those guys who beat the British back in the 1770s? Pikers compared to Saint Trump.
These people are sick. Cults of personality are sick.
And Trump is getting nuttier with all the encouragement.
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/snicker
Yeah, the Industrial Revolution had nothing on Trump. And those guys who beat the British back in the 1770s? Pikers compared to Saint Trump.
These people are sick. Cults of personality are sick.
uh huh
From the most annoying person of 2016.
Are you sick of yourself yet? :tongue2: :laugh:
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I know a few here (and all of TOS) would disagree with me, but I would put the birth of Jesus Christ a bit above the victory of Donald Trump in terms of pivotal events.
Again........ I know there are those who disagree, but..........
(This election is, however, as 'pivotal' as Obama's election in 2008............ and quite similar, in fact).
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Negan and Trump are one and the same IMO.
Ok, that may be a bit harsh, as Negan's not a billionaire...yet.
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I know a few here (and all of TOS) would disagree with me, but I would put the birth of Jesus Christ a bit above the victory of Donald Trump in terms of pivotal events.
Again........ I know there are those who disagree, but..........
(This election is, however, as 'pivotal' as Obama's election in 2008............ and quite similar, in fact).
Yeah but Jesus got himself captured and crucified. Trump would never allow that to happen to himself.
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Yeah but Jesus got himself captured and crucified. Trump would never allow that to happen to himself.
:silly: That Judas was a real loser.
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That may be your opinion but it is not a fact. On Jan 20, 2017, Donald Trump will be sworn in as POTUS. He will be the president of all of our nation.
You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts....
Opinions are not facts, even when they are yours.....
Get over it, get used to it, and get on with life as a mature and rational adult.
I think what @geronl is laughing at...and I agree with...Is the author's attempt to place the election of Trump on the same historical level as the birth of Christ...the Magna Carta and the founding of this Nation.
Donny doesn't even come close to that as far as historical significance in the history of mankind.
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Zombie has in the past done great with photo exposes of events.
He should stick with photography. His writing sucks.
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Sort of reminds me of this tripe:
"The seas will begin to fall and the planet shall begin to heal."
It was laughable bollocks then, it's laughable bollocks now.
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Sort of reminds me of this tripe:
"The seas will begin to fall and the planet shall begin to heal."
It was laughable bollocks then, it's laughable bollocks now.
They don't just want a Nobel Prize for Trump (like Obama) before he does anything, no, they want him regarded as the most important person who ever lived in history. lol.
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They don't just want a Nobel Prize for Trump (like Obama) before he does anything, no, they want him regarded as the most important person who ever lived in history. lol.
Maybe Trump will establish a thousand year presidency.
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Sort of reminds me of this tripe:
"The seas will begin to fall and the planet shall begin to heal."
It was laughable bollocks then, it's laughable bollocks now.
Aye.
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I can't believe there are people out there that actually think like that...guess fake news must evolve into fake opinions... :shrug:
A stupid story but .... well, I kinda agree with the premise. I was afraid we would never escape liberalism with the MSM and all the 'influential' celebrities and the more subtle influence of certain movies and TV shows.
But the fact that we did defeat liberalism... even though it had the worst candidate ever ... is pretty dang impressive because we, too, had the worst candidate ever.
Yay, US !!
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But the fact that we did defeat liberalism... even though it had the worst candidate ever ... is pretty dang impressive because we, too, had the worst candidate ever.
Yay, US !!
Ma'am. I like your style.
Thank you for the smile.
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A stupid story but .... well, I kinda agree with the premise. I was afraid we would never escape liberalism with the MSM and all the 'influential' celebrities and the more subtle influence of certain movies and TV shows.
But the fact that we did defeat liberalism... even though it had the worst candidate ever ... is pretty dang impressive because we, too, had the worst candidate ever.
Yay, US !!
And all it took was the election of the single most liberal lying bottom feeding piece of trash republican the world has ever seen.
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So......you mean to tell me that not one of the self-described big brains in this joint feels that a Donald Trump administration isn't a 180 degree turn from the direction in which our country, under a Hillary Clinton administration would have taken us.
1) Progressive, activist SCOTUS judges in the majority for about the next 30 years
2) The death of free market capitalism in our markets
3) Regulations written with the sole intent to destroy the American Middle Class.
4) The continuation of treating our long-established allies as enemies and our enemies...especially in the Middle East...as allies.
5) The continuation of multi-Trillion dollar debt upon our existing $20 Trillion...which was 'only' $10.6 Trillion when GWB left.
"Pivotal" is the perfect word to describe it. Trump winning has probably saved a million lives. We'll see.
Won't we? :whistle:
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So......you mean to tell me that not one of the self-described big brains in this joint feels that a Donald Trump administration isn't a 180 degree turn from the direction in which our country, under a Hillary Clinton administration would have taken us.
If the federal government doesn't shrink under his administration, it is not a change in direction. Going slower in the same direction is not a 180 degree turn.
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And all it took was the election of the single most liberal lying bottom feeding piece of trash republican the world has ever seen.
Ahem. Did someone say 'hyperbole?'
I'm beginning to wonder about stuff. A dangerous thing to do, I know. But what if Trump actually was the right guy to rouse the multitudes? I know he tapped into some of people's worst emotions but maybe this was the time in history that we needed that.
There's really no way to know and we won't know about Trump, the president, for a while. But, so far, he hasn't exactly drained the swamp but he's made some good appointments.
Personally, Trump is not a good guy. He is neurotic and self-obsessed and the world knows that about him. Because he never shuts up. He is no more neurotic and self-obsessed than, say, Obama, but Obama had the common sense to keep his weaknesses out of the public eye ... helped along with the media, of course.
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If the federal government doesn't shrink under his administration, it is not a change in direction. Going slower in the same direction is not a 180 degree turn.
Okay.....that's about spending and deficits.
What about the abstract values? Putin being an ally in the War on Islamic Terror, together with Israel?
GWB toppled the statue in Baghdad in about one month. It wouldn't shouldn't take longer than that to liquidate ISIS and perhaps slap the Shiite-eating grin off of Iran.
That, IMO, is a pivotal turning point in human history.
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Okay.....that's about spending and deficits.
It is more than just dollars. It is the federal government vastly grown beyond their constitutional role, negatively impacting many different aspects of individuals lives.
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But the fact that we did defeat liberalism... even though it had the worst candidate ever ... is pretty dang impressive because we, too, had the worst candidate ever.
Trump is a liberal and a celebutard
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But what if Trump actually was the right guy to rouse the multitudes? I know he tapped into some of people's worst emotions but maybe this was the time in history that we needed that.
Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Fidel all roused the multitudes...
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Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Fidel all roused the multitudes...
So did George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Pope John Paul II and Ronald Reagan
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Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Fidel all roused the multitudes...
But those men were evil and into power and hatred.
Trump does not have those motives. His evil side is personal greed, misogyny, and a childish sort of vindictiveness.
I think it's time to step back from hate and give him a chance to do some good.
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But those men were evil and into power and hatred.
Trump does not have those motives. His evil side is personal greed, misogyny, and a childish sort of vindictiveness.
I think it's time to step back from hate and give him a chance to do some good.
I don't have to like the man to appreciate any good he might do.
If he succeeds in changing the progressive trajectory of the nation then I'll be happy to admit to being wrong. But I still won't like him.
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But those men were evil and into power and hatred.
Trump does not have those motives. His evil side is personal greed, misogyny, and a childish sort of vindictiveness.
I think it's time to step back from hate and give him a chance to do some good.
Let's see how his "childish sort of vindictiveness" evolves once he's handed the keys to the IRS, FBI, CIA, et al.
So far, most of what I'm hearing from the most virulent Trump supporters falls under the category of "revenge".
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Let's see how his "childish sort of vindictiveness" evolves once he's handed the keys to the IRS, FBI, CIA, et al.
So far, most of what I'm hearing from the most virulent Trump supporters falls under the category of "revenge".
All you people expecting the worst and dwelling on the faults we know all too well may be right.
But ... I'm tired of it.
The MSM and the leftists and the celebrity crowd are all singing that song.
I'm not gonna join in the chorus.
I'm going over to the Wait and See and Give Him a Chance crowd.
See you over there, maybe.
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It is more than just dollars. It is the federal government vastly grown beyond their constitutional role, negatively impacting many different aspects of individuals lives.
That is true. Reagan started talking about that and made a bit of progress.
But the forces with BOTH parties,, fed by the takers of all kinds, created a demand for services, and the federal government has the means to tax and spend for them.
It will NOT be changed overnight by one person. And Trump did not, really run on that agenda.
I do hope he makes progress turning the corner on federal spending, however.
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That is true. Reagan started talking about that and made a bit of progress.
But the forces with BOTH parties,, fed by the takers of all kinds, created a demand for services, and the federal government has the means to tax and spend for them.
It will NOT be changed overnight by one person. And Trump did not, really run on that agenda.
I do hope he makes progress turning the corner on federal spending, however.
You mean the guy who wants to spend another trillion dollar "stimulus"? Get real. This guy is going to be another middling president like Clinton.
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All you people expecting the worst and dwelling on the faults we know all too well may be right.
But ... I'm tired of it.
The MSM and the leftists and the celebrity crowd are all singing that song.
I'm not gonna join in the chorus.
I'm going over to the Wait and See and Give Him a Chance crowd.
See you over there, maybe.
I'm equally weary of the comments from those I consider "virulent Trump supporters." I'll give him a chance, as he hasn't taken office yet.
I'll say this, though...he and Negan borrowed liberally from Teddy Roosevelt, regarding the "carry a big stick" part.
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Let's just say I hope he isn't and leave it at that.
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It will NOT be changed overnight by one person. And Trump did not, really run on that agenda.
Very true. Which is the primary reason I voted 3rd party this time around.
In general I like his cabinet announcements. I hope they are not just his typical "announce the extreme and negotiate somewhere to the middle" techniques.
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I think it's time to step back from hate and give him a chance to do some good.
There is nothing good in him.
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I do hope he makes progress turning the corner on federal spending, however.
Because the trillions in new spending he has promised is oh so fiscally conservative.
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Let's just say I hope he isn't and leave it at that.
Good point.
This "Pivotal Turning Point in Human History" hyperbolic nonsense is bordering on frightening. The point of the US Presidency is not to change history. The Founders did that.
What needs to happen now is that we right the course. And Trump will not do that because he has no clue as to what the course actually is.
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There is nothing good in him.
Maybe not. But I don't think he has a ruthless ideology or global ambitions. His faults are petty, childlike and personal made more egregious and obvious because of his inherited wealth.
I might have joined in with you at one time because I despise Trump as a man.
But the euphoria I've felt at getting rid of the deeply entrenched liberal choke hold on America has softened my hatred because, for whatever reason, Trump got them out.
I've said for ages that any Republican we could have nominated would have beaten her and I still believe that but I don't KNOW that.
Liberals are passionate in their liberalism... it's a religion to them.
Trump supporters are equally passionate ... and Trump is almost a religious figure to them.
Maybe he is the ONE who could have won.
I see no point in clutching Trump hatred at this point in history. The Clintons are gone. Obama is gone and that's a good thing whatever happens with Trump.
If he is as bad as you think, that will soon become obvious. But he would have to do something impossibly horrible for me to wish that he hadn't won ... that Hillary was our CIC.
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Obama would have been gone anyway. Hillary would have likely lost to a ham sandwich. The culture and media and everything else is still just as liberal as they were before the election. (Trump too)
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All you people expecting the worst and dwelling on the faults we know all too well may be right.
But ... I'm tired of it.
The MSM and the leftists and the celebrity crowd are all singing that song.
I'm not gonna join in the chorus.
I'm going over to the Wait and See and Give Him a Chance crowd.
See you over there, maybe.
I'm there with you @Emjay
Shaking off the last vestiges of 'hurty pants', myself, obviously
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I'm there with you @Emjay
Shaking off the last vestiges of 'hurty pants', myself, obviously
Thanks! It's nice to have company.
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A stupid story but .... well, I kinda agree with the premise. I was afraid we would never escape liberalism with the MSM and all the 'influential' celebrities and the more subtle influence of certain movies and TV shows.
But the fact that we did defeat liberalism... even though it had the worst candidate ever ... is pretty dang impressive because we, too, had the worst candidate ever.
Yay, US !!
Defeat liberalism...subtle humor I like it.
Two things strike me about this story. The first, as I said many times before, is that I just cant figure out where in this country the people live that the election of a president affects their daily lives. My life will be no different whether 0 is in office, or Trump or Clinton. I'm mystified that for some it makes a difference :shrug:
The second thing the article makes clear to me is that many simply have no knowledge of history. I suppose it has to do with the education many recieve but the author clearly does not have even a passing familiarity with human history...
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thus just in.....covertly shot photo .......of The Zombie in his Orange Beret!!!
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There is nothing good in him.
@geronl
Jesus would disagree with you.
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I'm there with you @Emjay
Shaking off the last vestiges of 'hurty pants', myself, obviously
@corbe @Emjay
Out of all the GOP candidates Trump was about my last choice. Rational people do not want the President to fail. Perhaps we don't want him to succeed in his agenda but not fail overall.
There are people on the left trying to destroy America. There are those on the right who are so pant hurt that they are joining in lighting the matches. Somehow they think the country can recover from a coup.
The globalists are salivating at the idea of a destabilized America.
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@corbe @Emjay
Out of all the GOP candidates Trump was about my last choice. Rational people do not want the President to fail. Perhaps we don't want him to succeed in his agenda but not fail overall.
There are people on the left trying to destroy America. There are those on the right who are so pant hurt that they are joining in lighting the matches. Somehow they think the country can recover from a coup.
The globalists are salivating at the idea of a destabilized America.
Very succulent point @driftdiver , I am clearly in the aforementioned group.
His philosophy has, before May 2015, been LIBERAL, so I do hope he fails in his personal Agenda and his Cabinet appointees have given me hope that there may be someone to counter his 'NY Values'.
Other than that I trust him about as much as I trust obummer or hellary.
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@corbe @Emjay
Out of all the GOP candidates Trump was about my last choice. Rational people do not want the President to fail. Perhaps we don't want him to succeed in his agenda but not fail overall.
There are people on the left trying to destroy America. There are those on the right who are so pant hurt that they are joining in lighting the matches. Somehow they think the country can recover from a coup.
The globalists are salivating at the idea of a destabilized America.
And their work will continue with or without Trump.
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@corbe @Emjay
Out of all the GOP candidates Trump was about my last choice. Rational people do not want the President to fail. Perhaps we don't want him to succeed in his agenda but not fail overall.
There are people on the left trying to destroy America. There are those on the right who are so pant hurt that they are joining in lighting the matches. Somehow they think the country can recover from a coup.
The globalists are salivating at the idea of a destabilized America.
Corbe and I are in a pretty good place. We aren't Trump worshippers who will feel hurt or betrayed if he hurts and betrays us. We halfway expect it.
On the other hand, we aren't so obsessed with Trump hatred that we cannot be relieved or enjoy it when he does something that's good for conservatism and the country.
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I don't want to see Trump's presidency fail and I don't think he does either. I think he seems to be learning slowly but surely what kind of behavior is expected.
At this point I worry about what Trump might consider "success", however.
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And their work will continue with or without Trump.
@bigheadfred
I wish Cruz was our next President. He would be the most likely to move us back towards our Constitutional Republic.
Alas, we live in a different world. I dislike Trump immensely but IMO he's better than Clinton, marginally but still better. His cabinet picks have been pretty good so far. I don't get some of the appointments and they point to some connection to the establishment (Reince Preibus) that defies all the talk of draining the swamp.
I believe anything is possible at this point, perhaps the horse will learn to talk.
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Stranger things have already happened.
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On the other hand, we aren't so obsessed with Trump hatred that we cannot be relieved or enjoy it when he does something that's good for conservatism and the country.
That's just it, he hasn't done any of that yet and many seem to want to smooch his pooper pre-emptively
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I don't want to see Trump's presidency fail and I don't think he does either. I think he seems to be learning slowly but surely what kind of behavior is expected.
At this point I worry about what Trump might consider "success", however.
He won't fail - except when measured against the standards of his cultists - but he won't be that great either. I forecast that the national debt will continue to accelerate, driven by his spending priorities, for one thing.
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Corbe and I are in a pretty good place. We aren't Trump worshippers who will feel hurt or betrayed if he hurts and betrays us. We halfway expect it.
On the other hand, we aren't so obsessed with Trump hatred that we cannot be relieved or enjoy it when he does something that's good for conservatism and the country.
Yeah, Smoot-Hawley style tariffs, trade wars, and trillion dollar "stimulus" spending are going to be good for conservatism and the country.
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That's just it, he hasn't done any of that yet and many seem to want to smooch his pooper pre-emptively
Instead of moving to Wala-Wala or Valhalla, what choice do we, as 'Principled Conservatives' have?
Hate is not an option.
I would be willing to compromise with you @geronl , give him 50 days instead of the usual 100.
Till then, let's Pray that this become's one of those 'Unexpected' things we've gotten so use to.
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That's just it, he hasn't done any of that yet and many seem to want to smooch his pooper pre-emptively
What? Have you not seen his cabinet nominations?
@geronl
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Trump Tower evacuated over "suspicious" package today
Worst-case scenario came true
Yep, false alarm.
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What? Have you not seen his cabinet nominations?
@geronl
establishment insiders, cronies and lobbyists
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establishment insiders, cronies and lobbyists
If they aren't cronies who bought their positions they're scapegoats that Trump will blame when he needs a scapegoat just like he's done in business over the years.
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If they aren't cronies who bought their positions they're scapegoats that Trump will blame when he needs a scapegoat just like he's done in business over the years.
Interesting how the biggest campaign donors get cabinet positions...
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establishment insiders, cronies and lobbyists
Anti EPA guy, Anti public school guy..yeah typical establishment cronies.
@geronl
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@bigheadfred
I wish Cruz was our next President. He would be the most likely to move us back towards our Constitutional Republic.
Alas, we live in a different world. I dislike Trump immensely but IMO he's better than Clinton, marginally but still better. His cabinet picks have been pretty good so far. I don't get some of the appointments and they point to some connection to the establishment (Reince Preibus) that defies all the talk of draining the swamp.
I believe anything is possible at this point, perhaps the horse will learn to talk.
I hope Trump accomplishes some of the things he said. I simply don't like the guy. And I have a history of sharply criticizing pollytician's. Especially presidents. I am not much for riding around on bandwagons.
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I am not much for riding around on bandwagons.
I tend to get really nervous when groups worship leaders like rock stars. History shows us really bad things tend to happen.
You start giving them rock star treatment and next thing you know they're installing roman columns at the inauguration and calling him "The One". Or worse, "Sieg Heil".
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The supplier screwed up.
The pumps to drain the swamp were incorrect.
(http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=67087127)
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That's just it, he hasn't done any of that yet and many seem to want to smooch his pooper pre-emptively
That's pretty gross.
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I recall 8 years ago of reading similar article entitled the same way. That was the most significant election in history as it proved the US had gotten past its slavery past by electing a black.
So which one is the most significant?
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The supplier screwed up.
The pumps to drain the swamp were incorrect.
(http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=67087127)
Looks to me like you could stomp some new holes in its ass with those things.
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I recall 8 years ago of reading similar article entitled the same way. That was the most significant election in history as it proved the US had gotten past its slavery past by electing a black.
So which one is the most significant?
lately it seems like everything has to be hyped to absurd levels
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lately it seems like everything has to be hyped to absurd levels
It has to be. People are fixated by their electronic devices. If it ain't viral it ain't worth watching.
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Yeah, Smoot-Hawley style tariffs, trade wars, and trillion dollar "stimulus" spending are going to be good for conservatism and the country.
Why do 'you people' long for disaster to strike the country?
Do you hate Trump more than you love our country
Trump has not done anything yet to make all your fears come True.
He very well may but wait until he does.
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The supplier screwed up.
The pumps to drain the swamp were incorrect.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,239329.msg1176509.html#msg1176509
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Why do 'you people' long for disaster to strike the country?
Do you hate Trump more than you love our country
Fredo syndrome.
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Why do 'you people' long for disaster to strike the country?
Do you hate Trump more than you love our country
Trump has not done anything yet to make all your fears come True.
He very well may but wait until he does.
What I despise are the people that have put him on a pedestal and are treating him like some kind of God that will change America with his magic wand.
What I despise are the people that call me a Hillary supporter or claim I'm a traitor who deserves imprisonment because I didn't vote for Trump.
I DO love this country...and that's why I despise this Orange Buffoon as much as I do other Liberal politicians.
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Why do 'you people' long for disaster to strike the country?
lol.
Giving him unwarranted praise and adoration is just as awful.
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Why do 'you people' long for disaster to strike the country?
Do you hate Trump more than you love our country
Trump has not done anything yet to make all your fears come True.
He very well may but wait until he does.
Just quoting Trump himself, and what he desires to do.
Why is believing that he's telling the truth about his liberal goals necessarily 'hating' him?
And since when is despising liberalism not loving the country?
I agree he hasn't "done" anything horrible yet as President, but his ambitions and his clear desire to ignore the Constitution and make all the rules himself don't bode well for the future.
Don't be so hard on people who can't trust a man who lies about everything.
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Why do 'you people' long for disaster to strike the country?
Do you hate Trump more than you love our country
Trump has not done anything yet to make all your fears come True.
He very well may but wait until he does.
Its articles like this that prompt people to have an immediate reaction. Articles like this and Trumps own tweets proclaiming he saved Christmas and is the hope of the world.
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Why do 'you people' long for disaster to strike the country?
Do you hate Trump more than you love our country
Trump has not done anything yet to make all your fears come True.
He very well may but wait until he does.
The question I have is why did "you people" nominate and elect an amoral con man to the presidency of the United States. I don't hate Trump, because honestly his election has zero impact on my life and I simply can't muster up enough concern to care one way or another. :shrug:
What is mystifying to me is those who are in love with the chump. :thud: and somehow think he is going to change the direction of the country. The country will change when the culture changes from the people up, not from the top down regardless of party. Before this election I thought most Conservatives were rational thinking people, but I was wrong. Most political conservatives are just as driven by emotion as the libs, the political system and the business of government has devolved into one side or the other rooting for their team.
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The question I have is why did "you people" nominate and elect an amoral con man to the presidency of the United States. I don't hate Trump, because honestly his election has zero impact on my life and I simply can't muster up enough concern to care on way or another. :shrug:
What is mystifying to me is those who are in love with the chump. :thud: and somehow think he is going to change the direction of the country. The country will change when the culture changes from the people up, not from the top down regardless of party. Before this election I thought most Conservatives were rational thinking people, but I was wrong. Most political conservatives are just as driven by emotion as the libs, the political system and the business of government has devolved into one side or the other rooting for their team.
You have a lot of company in that newfound and disturbing truth.
All rationality was set aside in this election. Trump-fever has uncovered some very ugly things that I thought were just leftist lies about people on the right, but are clearly true among some of "us."
I believe it will take Conservatism and the Republican party decades to recover from this disaster.......... if it ever does.
We have lost all moral authority.
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You have a lot of company in that newfound and disturbing truth.
All rationality was set aside in this election. Trump-fever has uncovered some very ugly things that I thought were just leftist lies about people on the right, but are clearly true among some of "us."
I believe it will take Conservatism and the Republican party decades to recover from this disaster.......... if it ever does.
We have lost all moral authority.
We saw this coming, the RNC 2012 autopsy report highlighted the LACK of Social Media.
Reices Peices gave the keys to the kingdom to a Reality TV Star, what could go wrong?
Problem Solved.
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We saw this coming, the RNC 2012 autopsy report highlighted the LACK of Social Media.
Reices Peices gave the keys to the kingdom to a Reality TV Star, what could go wrong?
Problem Solved.
Trump congratulating himself again..................
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 1h1 hour ago
The U.S. Consumer Confidence Index for December surged nearly four points to 113.7, THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN MORE THAN 15 YEARS! Thanks Donald!
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Trump congratulating himself again..................
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 1h1 hour ago
The U.S. Consumer Confidence Index for December surged nearly four points to 113.7, THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN MORE THAN 15 YEARS! Thanks Donald!
That's gotta be 'unexpected' to anyone that believes any statistic coming outta the obummer administration.
If it all goes to hell in a coupe of months, like most feel is possible, He won't blame Goldman Sachs.
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That's gotta be 'unexpected' to anyone that believes any statistic coming outta the obummer administration.
If it all goes to hell in a coupe of months, like most feel is possible, He won't blame Goldman Sachs.
True, and it will be the next twitter war between Trump and Obama. Probably just Obama trying to stack the statistics in his favor before he leaves office.
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You have a lot of company in that newfound and disturbing truth.
All rationality was set aside in this election. Trump-fever has uncovered some very ugly things that I thought were just leftist lies about people on the right, but are clearly true among some of "us."
I believe it will take Conservatism and the Republican party decades to recover from this disaster.......... if it ever does.
We have lost all moral authority.
Two huge red flags about Trump were his announcing that only he and he alone could save the country and that we'd have to forget about conservatism until he saves the country.
I voted for the puke, but those two statements alone were enough to make me despise the orange-faced clown. When the country has two candidates the likes of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump we're in a very bad state. Fecal sandwich or fecal sandwich with catsup.
It's one thing to hold your nose, as I did, and vote for His Orangeness to avoid Hillary, and it's quite another to attach one's lips to Trump's enormous posterior and latch on lamphrey eel-like praising him as the greatest person in the history of the world.
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Two huge red flags about Trump were his announcing that only he and he alone could save the country and that we'd have to forget about conservatism until he saves the country.
I voted for the puke, but those two statements alone were enough to make me despise the orange-faced clown. When the country has two candidates the likes of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump we're in a very bad state. Fecal sandwich or fecal sandwich with catsup.
It's one thing to hold your nose, as I did, and vote for His Orangeness to avoid Hillary, and it's quite another to attach one's lips to Trump's enormous posterior and latch on lamphrey eel-like praising him as the greatest person in the history of the world.
I applaud you for your honesty, it's refreshing.
My HH and its 4 voters voted for candidates other than Trump or Clinton. I was glad to see Hillary defeated, and am willing to give Trump a chance...what other choice is there?
I learned my lesson long ago when it came to dealing with those wrapped in the cult of personality, or liberals who wrap themselves in their ideological cocoons. I was excoriated during my last two months of high school (same school as Rachel Maddow...lol), simply for accepting a 4 year ROTC scholarship.
I found it illuminating, and rather humorous, in that I had the best scholarship of any in my graduating class of 550. It allowed me to choose any of over 300 colleges in the US that offered ROTC, and all academic expenses would be paid for 4 years (my summer jobs covered my room and board).
It wasn't until many years later that I understood the impact it had on my father, who enlisted in the Navy in 1944. I never realized it when he visited me during my Officers Basic at Fort Bliss, when I took him to dinner in the Officers Club. As the saying goes, "a son does not learn how to become a son until he becomes a father." Unfortunately, both he and my stepfather passed away before I had children.
Apologies for the thread hijack.
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Two huge red flags about Trump were his announcing that only he and he alone could save the country and that we'd have to forget about conservatism until he saves the country.
I voted for the puke, but those two statements alone were enough to make me despise the orange-faced clown. When the country has two candidates the likes of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump we're in a very bad state. Fecal sandwich or fecal sandwich with catsup.
It's one thing to hold your nose, as I did, and vote for His Orangeness to avoid Hillary, and it's quite another to attach one's lips to Trump's enormous posterior and latch on lamphrey eel-like praising him as the greatest person in the history of the world.
Chose one - we either cut off an arm or we cut off a leg. Now chose.
In college it was fun to play act games in Ethics 101 - your plane goes down in the wilderness and you have to chose . . .
It sucks to have to make Ethics decisions in real life.
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Chose one - we either cut off an arm or we cut off a leg. Now chose.
In college it was fun to play act games in Ethics 101 - your plane goes down in the wilderness and you have to chose . . .
It sucks to have to make Ethics decisions in real life.
I thought that's where "safe spaces" come in... :silly:
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Chose one - we either cut off an arm or we cut off a leg. Now chose.
In college it was fun to play act games in Ethics 101 - your plane goes down in the wilderness and you have to chose . . .
It sucks to have to make Ethics decisions in real life.
I had zero problem voting 3rd party.
I had no ethical problems with it because when the betrayals begin in earnest I will stand proud knowing that I played no part in the rape of America or the betrayal of conservatism. In fact the betrayals have already begun and the excuses are coming fast on the heels of betrayal.
Meanwhile I take great joy in watching the alt right descend into civil war but nothing brings me as much joy as the self beclowning of Trump surrogates like Bill Mitchell.
(http://i.imgur.com/W3rZ8Nc.jpg)
And now Mitchell is claiming it was all part of his brilliant plan to flush the white supremacists into the open. :silly:
To me giving Trump "a chance" after knowing he's a lowlife for nearly 40 years is like joining a snake handling church. Those people are welcome to their faith but a lot of them do get bitten. I on the other hand have faith that if I leave the snake alone its not going to bite me.
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I had zero problem voting 3rd party.
I had no ethical problems with it because when the betrayals begin in earnest I will stand proud knowing that I played no part in the rape of America or the betrayal of conservatism. In fact the betrayals have already begun and the excuses are coming fast on the heels of betrayal.
Meanwhile I take great joy in watching the alt right descend into civil war but nothing brings me as much joy as the self beclowning of Trump surrogates like Bill Mitchell.
(http://i.imgur.com/W3rZ8Nc.jpg)
And now Mitchell is claiming it was all part of his brilliant plan to flush the white supremacists into the open. :silly:
To me giving Trump "a chance" after knowing he's a lowlife for nearly 40 years is like joining a snake handling church. Those people are welcome to their faith but a lot of them do get bitten. I on the other hand have faith that if I leave the snake alone its not going to bite me.
CC, snakes provide a valuable function in nature, i.e. rodent control. If Trump is as successful in controlling the 'Rats, then his Presidency will be positive for the US.
ETA: I avoid vipers as much as possible, I'm no dummy...lol.
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True, and it will be the next twitter war between Trump and Obama. Probably just Obama trying to stack the statistics in his favor before he leaves office.
Is it wrong to be enjoying the Obama/Trump tweet war?
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What I despise are the people that have put him on a pedestal and are treating him like some kind of God that will change America with his magic wand.
What I despise are the people that call me a Hillary supporter or claim I'm a traitor who deserves imprisonment because I didn't vote for Trump.
I DO love this country...and that's why I despise this Orange Buffoon as much as I do other Liberal politicians.
I don't like those people either. They are a bit nuts and they WILL be disappointed in Trump.
But I object to the preemptive strikes against Trump. Why do that? He made it and he has yet to foul it up. He probably will but what's to be gained by trashing him now.
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I don't like those people either. They are a bit nuts and they WILL be disappointed in Trump.
But I object to the preemptive strikes against Trump. Why do that? He made it and he has yet to foul it up. He probably will but what's to be gained by trashing him now.
:patriot:
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Trump congratulating himself again..................
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 1h1 hour ago
The U.S. Consumer Confidence Index for December surged nearly four points to 113.7, THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN MORE THAN 15 YEARS! Thanks Donald!
He thanks himself by name in the third person.
Let that sink in for a sec.
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He thanks himself by name in the third person.
Let that sink in for a sec.
And Bo knows... lol
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And Bo knows... lol
He's channeling Wayne's World now:
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 6h6 hours ago
Doing my best to disregard the many inflammatory President O statements and roadblocks.Thought it was going to be a smooth transition - NOT!
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I don't like those people either. They are a bit nuts and they WILL be disappointed in Trump.
But I object to the preemptive strikes against Trump. Why do that? He made it and he has yet to foul it up. He probably will but what's to be gained by trashing him now.
The problem is that he's the same amoral, childish narcissist he was before the election.
There's no reason to change an opinion that's based in fact just because he got elected, is there?
I don't understand why we're expected to accept lower standards of behavior just because Trump managed to get elected over the most disgusting, unelectable human being on the planet...... Hillary Clinton.
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I don't like those people either. They are a bit nuts and they WILL be disappointed in Trump.
But I object to the preemptive strikes against Trump. Why do that? He made it and he has yet to foul it up. He probably will but what's to be gained by trashing him now.
Trump and his rabid followers set him up for what's going on now with their grand proclamations and promises of shaking up DC and running the establishment out of town on a rail...and promptly backtracking on everything.
There's nothing wrong with holding him accountable when he screws up and praising him when it's deserved.
If not now...when?
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Trump and his rabid followers set him up for what's going on now with their grand proclamations and promises of shaking up DC and running the establishment out of town on a rail...and promptly backtracking on everything.
Everything? Really?
A bit dramatic, even an unrealistic slam don't you think?
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The problem is that he's the same amoral, childish narcissist he was before the election.
There's no reason to change an opinion that's based in fact just because he got elected, is there?
I don't understand why we're expected to accept lower standards of behavior just because Trump managed to get elected over the most disgusting, unelectable human being on the planet...... Hillary Clinton.
Who says we should expect lower standards of behavior. We shouldn't. But the MSM is still out to 'get' Trump even though the election is over. Every day a new hit piece comes out.
I'm not gonna join in that leftist frenzy. From here on out, I'm gonna judge Trump by what he actually does as President. Why is that lowering standards? I have high standards, which he may not meet.... and probably won't. I don't expect Trump to be a different person... I just want to see what kind of a president he will be.
Is that okay with everybody?
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Who says we should expect lower standards of behavior. We shouldn't. But the MSM is still out to 'get' Trump even though the election is over. Every day a new hit piece comes out.
I'm not gonna join in that leftist frenzy. From here on out, I'm gonna judge Trump by what he actually does as President. Why is that lowering standards? I have high standards, which he may not meet.... and probably won't. I don't expect Trump to be a different person... I just want to see what kind of a president he will be.
Is that okay with everybody?
No one should lower their expectations of what this Trump Administration can/will do, BUT, to preserve your Sanity I recommend that you raise your unexpectations.
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Trump and his rabid followers set him up for what's going on now with their grand proclamations and promises of shaking up DC and running the establishment out of town on a rail...and promptly backtracking on everything.
There's nothing wrong with holding him accountable when he screws up and praising him when it's deserved.
If not now...when?
If not now... when? When he actually does something despicable, that's when.
I don't think a lot of Trump haters are enjoying the demise of Hillary and Obama as much as I am.
I'm really happy about it.
I have no great expectations of Trump... he is a horrible man. But that doesn't affect me. What he does in office will affect me and that's what I'm gonna judge him on.
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No one should lower their expectations of what this Trump Administration can/will do, BUT, to preserve your Sanity I recommend that you raise your unexpectations.
I'm not invested enough in Trump for whatever he does to damage my sanity. I never expected him to do all the things he promised and a lot of it was hyperbole and deranged ranting.
But I'm still so very happy that Hillary is out and Obama is leaving to be able to sit back and wait to see what Trump does. The time for Trump trashing is past ... he got the nomination.
The time for Trump trashing will begin for me when he does something egregious.
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If not now... when? When he actually does something despicable, that's when.
I don't think a lot of Trump haters are enjoying the demise of Hillary and Obama as much as I am.
I'm really happy about it.
I have no great expectations of Trump... he is a horrible man. But that doesn't affect me. What he does in office will affect me and that's what I'm gonna judge him on.
Again....thanks! :patriot:
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I'm not invested enough in Trump for whatever he does to damage my sanity. I never expected him to do all the things he promised and a lot of it was hyperbole and deranged ranting.
But I'm still so very happy that Hillary is out and Obama is leaving to be able to sit back and wait to see what Trump does. The time for Trump trashing is past ... he got the nomination.
The time for Trump trashing will begin for me when he does something egregious.
@Emjay you know I respect you and Love your Company here.
I just haven't moved forward in acceptance as much as you have, thought I'd made some progress, maybe not.
(http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/SA-ExperiencedPatriots.jpg)
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Everything? Really?
A bit dramatic, even an unrealistic slam don't you think?
Not in the least when you look at what he promised and what he's backtracked on.
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If not now... when? When he actually does something despicable, that's when.
I don't think a lot of Trump haters are enjoying the demise of Hillary and Obama as much as I am.
I'm really happy about it.
I have no great expectations of Trump... he is a horrible man. But that doesn't affect me. What he does in office will affect me and that's what I'm gonna judge him on.
He's already done despicable things. They were whitewashed or explained away.
The only reason I'm glad he got elected is because it signaled the long awaited death of the political career of HRC.
As for what he's going to do in office... we've already gotten a glimpse and it's not promising.
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As for what he's going to do in office... we've already gotten a glimpse and it's not promising.
I couldn't agree with you more. Trump is an absolute lunatic. It's a GD outrage that he is assembling such a garden variety GOP cabinet. Just how many of those people have spent their lives in academia discussing the destruction of America? None. These losers were out in the real word accomplishing things. Then Donny goes and calls BS on China and takes that Taiwan call. The nerve. We all know that only seasoned hands like John Kerry should be navigating these waters. He has been a stellar example of Americas leadership abroad. Then just this week Trump had the temerity to make our President look bad in front of the world over the UN vote against Israel. We all know Obama's vision for the Middle East has been a rousing success and will only strengthen the security of the region. The Arabs have been terribly mistreated at the hands of the Jews after all. You know how those Jews are don't you? Let's not forget Trump's cheerleading of the country. All that is fomenting is irrational exuberance of a dying colonial power. How damn provincial.
I say we get the #NeverTrumps in gear to fight these atrocities destroying our country. Trump needs to be stopped. I know the numbers of #NT movement looks small to nonexistent, but we have to start somewhere. Maybe we can get some of the leaders of the movement out to rally the country? How about Kevin Williamson who said that blue collar workers struggling or out of work only have themselves to blame because they are uneducated losers living in flyover country. That man could solidify everyone against Trump poste haste. Then there is Ben Howe. A very solid thinker who argued for years that a Trump like candidate should emerge to save the country and then when one did, he said he didn't really mean it and had an intellectual change of heart.
We must fight now and fight right away. Begin we must to start the opening fight ahead from the genesis. Let us all commence this dawn of a birth of a new movement to move forward.
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Right now is a great time to project our hopes on what could be - repeal ObamaCare, shrink government, etc.
It's fun for the moment and I enjoy playing let's pretend as much as anybody. But I'm also a realist and understand that when it gets down to the nut cutting it won't be pretty. So I just keep an imaginary scorecard in my head to mark progress.
So far Trump has appointed fewer Communist advisors than Obama - that's a Plus One.
He has also appointed fewer Socialists than Obama - that's another Plus One.
That's about all we really know so far, most of the rest of it is a lot of white noise right now. A stock bump that is not artificial and the potential of new jobs are also great signs but I'm not quite ready to put them in the Plus Column just yet. If they prove to be concrete over time I'll happily mark those off too.
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Who says we should expect lower standards of behavior. We shouldn't. But the MSM is still out to 'get' Trump even though the election is over. Every day a new hit piece comes out.
I'm not gonna join in that leftist frenzy. From here on out, I'm gonna judge Trump by what he actually does as President. Why is that lowering standards? I have high standards, which he may not meet.... and probably won't. I don't expect Trump to be a different person... I just want to see what kind of a president he will be.
Is that okay with everybody?
That's fine with me. However, many Trump supporters have made it very clear they will not extend the same courtesy to those who voted against Trump. I am proud that I voted against Trump and I will pick apart his presidency just as I would any candidate who was elected that I opposed.
I am a Conservative not a Republican. The GOP has made it very clear that they are no longer a conservative party, and that Conservatives are unwelcome in the party of Trump.
Is that okay with everybody... :whistle:
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That's fine with me. However, many Trump supporters have made it very clear they will not extend the same courtesy to those who voted against Trump. I am proud that I voted against Trump and I will pick apart his presidency just as I would any candidate who was elected that I opposed.
I am a Conservative not a Republican. The GOP has made it very clear that they are no longer a conservative party, and that Conservatives are unwelcome in the party of Trump.
Is that okay with everybody... :whistle:
How'd you feel about Bush? He was a fairly Liberal, Nixon type GOP'er in the end. He loved spending money, creating programs and building new govt' agencies.
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How'd you feel about Bush? He was a fairly Liberal, Nixon type GOP'er in the end. He loved spending money, creating programs and building new govt' agencies.
Liked and supported Bush II, Bush I not so much..
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Liked and supported Bush II, Bush I not so much..
It's Bush II who I speak of. Homeland Security, TSA, Part D Medicare, LOST Treaty just to name a few.
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It's Bush II who I speak of. Homeland Security, TSA, Part D Medicare, LOST Treaty just to name a few.
Bush II recognized we are engaged in a multi-generational war with Islam, and we very well could lose that war. Unless Islam is defeated none of the domestic issues matter. Obama was willing to give comfort and aid to the enemy draft dodging Trump is unlikely to be much better IMO..
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Bush II recognized we are engaged in a multi-generational war with Islam, and we very well could lose that war. Unless Islam is defeated none of the domestic issues matter. Obama was willing to give comfort and aid to the enemy draft dodging Trump is unlikely to be much better IMO..
So Conservatism to you just covers running multi decade, poorly executed wars that accomplish nothing and doesn't encompass any massive federal spending, building large onerous govt' agencies, terrible Supreme Court picks, handing US sovereignty over to global authorities and the such.
No wonder I have come to believe that the current Conservative movement is impodent and vapid.
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So Conservatism to you just covers running multi decade, poorly executed wars that accomplish nothing and doesn't encompass any massive federal spending, building large onerous govt' agencies, terrible Supreme Court picks, handing US sovereignty over to global authorities and the such.
No wonder I have come to believe that the current Conservative movement is impodent and vapid.
Didn't say that at all. What I did say is that we are losing the WOT and an amoral POTUS who equates Vietnam to his sexual escapades is unfit and unprepared to lead the nation in a time of war...
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I couldn't agree with you more. Trump is an absolute lunatic. It's a GD outrage that he is assembling such a garden variety GOP cabinet. Just how many of those people have spent their lives in academia discussing the destruction of America? None. These losers were out in the real word accomplishing things. Then Donny goes and calls BS on China and takes that Taiwan call. The nerve. We all know that only seasoned hands like John Kerry should be navigating these waters. He has been a stellar example of Americas leadership abroad. Then just this week Trump had the temerity to make our President look bad in front of the world over the UN vote against Israel. We all know Obama's vision for the Middle East has been a rousing success and will only strengthen the security of the region. The Arabs have been terribly mistreated at the hands of the Jews after all. You know how those Jews are don't you? Let's not forget Trump's cheerleading of the country. All that is fomenting is irrational exuberance of a dying colonial power. How damn provincial.
I say we get the #NeverTrumps in gear to fight these atrocities destroying our country. Trump needs to be stopped. I know the numbers of #NT movement looks small to nonexistent, but we have to start somewhere. Maybe we can get some of the leaders of the movement out to rally the country? How about Kevin Williamson who said that blue collar workers struggling or out of work only have themselves to blame because they are uneducated losers living in flyover country. That man could solidify everyone against Trump poste haste. Then there is Ben Howe. A very solid thinker who argued for years that a Trump like candidate should emerge to save the country and then when one did, he said he didn't really mean it and had an intellectual change of heart.
We must fight now and fight right away. Begin we must to start the opening fight ahead from the genesis. Let us all commence this dawn of a birth of a new movement to move forward.
@Frank Cannon
:beer: Spectacular
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@Frank Cannon
:beer: Spectacular
Agree! :thumbsup3:
@Frank Cannon
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That's fine with me. However, many Trump supporters have made it very clear they will not extend the same courtesy to those who voted against Trump. I am proud that I voted against Trump and I will pick apart his presidency just as I would any candidate who was elected that I opposed.
I am a Conservative not a Republican. The GOP has made it very clear that they are no longer a conservative party, and that Conservatives are unwelcome in the party of Trump.
Is that okay with everybody... :whistle:
Works for me. :beer:
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Not in the least when you look at what he promised and what he's backtracked on.
I suggest the term 'Everything' is inappropriate to use.
'Some' or 'Most' but not 'Everything'.
Why do I parse words? Because you have already condemned anything he has done or will do.
You might as well be one of those celebrities who planned to move to Mexico.
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I suggest the term 'Everything' is inappropriate to use.
Good for you.
'Some' or 'Most' but not 'Everything'.
Why do I parse words? Because you have already condemned anything he has done or will do.
I only have his words ans actions to go by. And so far he deserves every bit of criticism he's gotten.
You might as well be one of those celebrities who planned to move to Mexico.
Sorry to disappoint you...but a) I'm not Liberal...and b) if I made such a promise..I keep my word.
But hey...I'll give you props for trying to work in the meme that if you criticize Donny you must be a Liberal. 888high58888
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Last tactic of a coward conservative: accuse those you disagree with of being a liberal or RINO.
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But hey...I'll give you props for trying to work in the meme that if you criticize Donny you must be a Liberal. 888high58888
Yep, don't step in those Trum Pies, they're all over the ground
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I'm a good trump/bad trump guy myself now. Commend him when he does something good, wack him in the nose when he does something bad.
His stance on Israel is 100% correct, as well as Taiwan.
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Last tactic of a coward conservative: accuse those you disagree with of being a liberal or RINO.
How gauche! lol
As for parsing the words of any politician, I became an expert at parsing, thanks to William Jefferson Clinton.
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I'm a good trump/bad trump guy myself now. Commend him when he does something good, wack him in the nose when he does something bad.
His stance on Israel is 100% correct, as well as Taiwan.
Agreed.
I have and will give him props when he does something right.
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Agreed.
I have and will give him props when he does something right.
I think your views (and geronl's) represent the dominant attitude on TBR.
Naturally, I won't utter a word about the braying screeds from the minority attitude on TBR. :tongue2:
Three guesses, and the first two don't count. :whistle:
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His stance on Israel is 100% correct, as well as Taiwan.
He said Israel would have to make sacrifices for peace. remember.
Besides, this can all change again after he is sworn in.
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I'll agree with that...on numerous levels.
@DCPatriot
I agree with ALL of what lays out the problem! I disagree that Trump is the solution. I hope I'm wrong!
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So did George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Pope John Paul II and Ronald Reagan
Abe Lincoln! :3:
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All you people expecting the worst and dwelling on the faults we know all too well may be right.
But ... I'm tired of it.
The MSM and the leftists and the celebrity crowd are all singing that song.
I'm not gonna join in the chorus.
I'm going over to the Wait and See and Give Him a Chance crowd.
See you over there, maybe.
THAT I agree with 100% :beer:
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Yeah, Smoot-Hawley style tariffs, trade wars, and trillion dollar "stimulus" spending are going to be good for conservatism and the country.
NONE of that will be good for anyone but he has not gotten ANY of that done yet! When any of that actually comes up I will be among the chorus shouting NO! NO! NO! Until it does I will pray for his complete success.
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On Jan 20, 2017, Donald Trump will be sworn in as POTUS. He will be the president of all of our nation.
Yeah, and Obama said "The government is all of us" bullshit too.
I will be holding Trump with the same exact view I did Obama.
And he may well earn the same contempt and view as I held His Heinous, hell he is nearly there already.
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You have a lot of company in that newfound and disturbing truth.
All rationality was set aside in this election. Trump-fever has uncovered some very ugly things that I thought were just leftist lies about people on the right, but are clearly true among some of "us."
I believe it will take Conservatism and the Republican party decades to recover from this disaster.......... if it ever does.
We have lost all moral authority.
@musiclady
I fought the nomination of Donald J. Trump with every fiber of my body and did not vote for him in the general but what's done is done and we HAVE to move forward! I cannot see where all of this continued negativity is accomplishing anything.
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I don't like those people either. They are a bit nuts and they WILL be disappointed in Trump.
But I object to the preemptive strikes against Trump. Why do that? He made it and he has yet to foul it up. He probably will but what's to be gained by trashing him now.
:amen: :amen: and :amen: Nothing to be gained from that IMHO!
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Its articles like this that prompt people to have an immediate reaction. Articles like this and Trumps own tweets proclaiming he saved Christmas and is the hope of the world.
Exactly, it's called Idolatry - and horrifying things happen to a people who engage in idolizing their rulers and by those rulers who idolize themselves.
It's why we're not joining the seig-heiling crowds of fanatics and the reluctant saluters either.
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Trump will be the same narcissistic lying con-man he always was.
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@musiclady
I fought the nomination of Donald J. Trump with every fiber of my body and did not vote for him in the general but what's done is done and we HAVE to move forward! I cannot see where all of this continued negativity is accomplishing anything.
I cannot pretend to be positive about something which I believe is completely negative.
As before the election, I will not criticize those who feel they must give Trump a chance.
But I personally can't believe a word he says, and will not join in with those who are optimistic about the future, and I believe I should have the right, on this forum, to express those views.
@Bigun - one of the best things about TBR is that differing views are encouraged, and that rational discussions are encouraged. I don't think "accomplishing" something by not posting honest negative views is healthy, for us as individuals, or as a forum.
The Trump style is to silence opponents by intimidation. I will not succumb to pressure to stop posting honest views.
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I cannot pretend to be positive about something which I believe is completely negative.
As before the election, I will not criticize those who feel they must give Trump a chance.
But I personally can't believe a word he says, and will not join in with those who are optimistic about the future, and I believe I should have the right, on this forum, to express those views.
@musiclady
As you wish. I will defend your right to say whatever you like here but I just don't see where the continued negativity is accomplishing a thing. Just my opinion. Nothing more.
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@musiclady
As you wish. I will defend your right to say whatever you like here but I just don't see where the continued negativity is accomplishing a thing. Just my opinion. Noting more.
I edited my post and added a paragraph to expand my post.
I think it is a huge negative to keep people from posting honest unfavorable views about Trump. This can't be a Trump supporters only forum. That doesn't "accomplish" anything either.
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Trump will be the same narcissistic lying con-man he always was.
Only a fool would expect anything else.
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Apparently we are supposed to believe Trump is not Trump anymore and that his past no longer matters.
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I just don't see where the continued negativity is accomplishing a thing.
I don't see where wishful thinking will accomplish anything either.
Trump will do what Trump will do, regardless of the Law, the Constitution or simple manners.
Those are his lifelong fruits.
I am of the opinion this people decided to trade one dictator over another and history will have to determine which of them was more destructive to personal liberty and the rule of law.
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Trump will be the same narcissistic lying con-man he always was.
That, for me, is the bottom line, @geronl .
Trump isn't one whit different than he was when I opposed his nomination, and his election.
I will not criticize him if he accidentally does something right, but I will not support a man who doesn't represent a single value I have, either politically or morally.
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I will not criticize him if he accidentally does something right, but I will not support a man who doesn't represent a single value I have, either politically or morally.
:thumbsup:
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A POTUS is really only as effective as the Congress that stands with him. Since the average voter keeps voting in reps that do nothing, and thusly, the voters are doing nothing themselves to drain the swamp, we can't expect Trump to.
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I don't see where wishful thinking will accomplish anything either.
Trump will do what Trump will do, regardless of the Law, the Constitution or simple manners.
Those are his lifelong fruits.
I am of the opinion this people decided to trade one dictator over another and history will have to determine which of them was more destructive to personal liberty and the rule of law.
When he errs I will be on him like a duck on a June bug! Until he errs I will remain silent. So far he has done well IMHO!
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If he does something good, I'll praise it.
If he does something stupid, I'll condemn it (vigorously).
If he acts like a normal adult, I'll expect it.
If he acts like a child, I'll despise it.
And if one of his fans acts like he's the second coming of Jesus, like in the OP here, I'll mock it for weeks.
Good enough?
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A POTUS is really only as effective as the Congress that stands with him. Since the average voter keeps voting in reps that do nothing, and thusly, the voters are doing nothing themselves to drain the swamp, we can't expect Trump to.
:amen: :amen: and :amen:
Well said and absolutely true!
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If he does something good, I'll praise it.
If he does something stupid, I'll condemn it (vigorously).
If he acts like a normal adult, I'll expect it.
If he acts like a child, I'll despise it.
Good enough?
888high58888
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A POTUS is really only as effective as the Congress that stands with him. Since the average voter keeps voting in reps that do nothing, and thusly, the voters are doing nothing themselves to drain the swamp, we can't expect Trump to.
That's one of the big problems I see here, fred. People ARE expecting Trump to do what he wants to do all by himself, completely ignoring the fact that we don't elect dictators in this country (or aren't supposed to).
There's a lot of positive projection going on before the guy sets foot in the WH. Based on his history, his words and his deeds don't coincide in the least. The hope and change aspect of his supporters is based on nothing but air.
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That's one of the big problems I see here, fred. People ARE expecting Trump to do what he wants to do all by himself, completely ignoring the fact that we don't elect dictators in this country (or aren't supposed to).
There's a lot of positive projection going on before the guy sets foot in the WH. Based on his history, his words and his deeds don't coincide in the least. The hope and change aspect of his supporters is based on nothing but air.
Thanks for picking that up. We'll see how the reception is as Trump issues one edict after another.
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A POTUS is really only as effective as the Congress that stands with him. Since the average voter keeps voting in reps that do nothing, and thusly, the voters are doing nothing themselves to drain the swamp, we can't expect Trump to.
I wouldn't expect Trump anyways, his actions say he wouldn't if he could.
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When he errs I will be on him like a duck on a June bug! Until he errs I will remain silent. So far he has done well IMHO!
At the moment I am more fascinated and horrified by the zeitgeist of laud, honor, hope, dreams and worship being lofted upon a lifelong NY liberal Democrat shoulders, comparing him and his election to everything from Reagan, to Jesus Christ.
A people that want a king, (whether a populist or a Marxist) as a majority of our population does, signifies that liberty is already dead in the hearts and minds of a people who want to be slaves, and in whom have made government and the presidency into their god, whether they consciously have done so or not.
We are no longer a people capable of freedom. Nor are we a people who want it.
We are a people who want the license to do whatever we feel like, absolved of responsibility while making those we envy, pay for it. We are a people who want to impose vengeance for what we assumed we have been wronged by and punishment for those businesses and individuals we have been led to loathe as responsible because of their wealth or station.
We are a people who do not trust their neighbors with liberty, but only for themselves.
We are a people that have rejected God and His Laws, for the laws of expedience and debauchery as preferred.
Deuteronomy 28 lays out our former blessings, and our fate in very clear language.
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At the moment I am more fascinated and horrified by the zeitgeist of laud, honor, hope, dreams and worship being lofted upon a lifelong NY liberal Democrat shoulders, comparing him and his election to everything from Reagan, to Jesus Christ.
A people that want a king, (whether a populist or a Marxist) as a majority of our population does, signifies that liberty is already dead in the hearts and minds of a people who want to be slaves, and in whom have made government and the presidency into their god, whether they consciously have done so or not.
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That, for me, is the bottom line, @geronl .
Trump isn't one whit different than he was when I opposed his nomination, and his election. I will not criticize him if he accidentally does something right, but I will not support a man who doesn't represent a single value I have, either politically or morally.
@musiclady
His personality disorder is still there - he loves himself first, then his immediate family, winning and money. He will say anything (the truth is not in him) to win and add to his money. His presidency is all about that and nothing else. His cabinet is full of millionaires/billionaires who adore him or they would not be there. According to those working for him, he also appoints people who look good. For that reason, he would not choose John Bolton as SOS because he has a mustache. We have "vanity" for a president.
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@Victoria33
I'm, at the moment, sort of counting on that vanity. @sneakypete mentioned it first, I think - along the lines of "Trump always has to win. Has to be the best, his vanity demands it. Now he's got the job, maybe, just maybe, that vanity will force him to actually be a good president."
It's slim, but better than nothing I guess.
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I'm, at the moment, sort of counting on that vanity. @sneakypete mentioned it first, I think - along the lines of "Trump always has to win. Has to be the best, his vanity demands it. Now he's got the job, maybe, just maybe, that vanity will force him to actually be a good president."
Vanity is self-serving, and never to the benefit of others.
Most often, vanity is at the cost of others to assuage the aggrandizement demanded of the vain.
A disaster when such people become rulers.
I think we will discover that hoping for vanity to steer someone into being a good executive is in itself, a vain hope.
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We are a people that have rejected God and His Laws, for the laws of expedience and debauchery as preferred.
@INVAR
Maybe you and people like you should start demanding that God either gets off his dead ass and does something to help humanity or demands his flunkies return all the money they have been collecting in his name for the last couple of thousand years?
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Maybe you and people like you should start demanding that God either gets off his dead ass and does something to help humanity or demands his flunkies return all the money they have been collecting in his name for the last couple of thousand years?
First; Liberty requires free moral agency.
Why should God 'help' nations who reject Him? We can do things God's way, or our own way. God let's us choose, just like any Father with know-it-all teenagers. And then there are consequences. Consequences that everyone blames and throws back at God for 'neglecting' or 'not doing anything about'.
Humanity largely wants nothing to do with the God of the bible. Mankind's history is one that prefers to do things his own way and worship gods of their own makings and imaginations to assuage the human nature that demands tyranny and enslavement of everyone but themselves. Religion has proven the best method to achieve that, because people will willingly enslave themselves to tyranny in the belief they are being obedient to God.
Ours was the only nation in man's history that created as a fundamental right - the notion of self-government via liberty that they asserted we were BORN WITH, having come from the Creator rather than from institutions of men. When a people reject the very providence and Scriptures that such rights were derived, we revert to the default position of despotism under the guise of the religion of men, be it Secularism, Communism, Sharia or Popery.
Rejoice, you have a much larger crowd that agrees with your position than I do.
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@musiclady
His personality disorder is still there - he loves himself first, then his immediate family, winning and money. He will say anything (the truth is not in him) to win and add to his money. His presidency is all about that and nothing else. His cabinet is full of millionaires/billionaires who adore him or they would not be there. According to those working for him, he also appoints people who look good. For that reason, he would not choose John Bolton as SOS because he has a mustache. We have "vanity" for a president.
And vanity never results in good leadership.
He may make some correct decisions by accident, but his central concern is himself, and as a result, it is nearly impossible that he will be a good President.
And even if he is, he is a horrible person, not worthy our respect.
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First; Liberty requires free moral agency.
Why should God 'help' nations who reject Him? We can do things God's way, or our own way. God let's us choose, just like any Father with know-it-all teenagers. And then there are consequences. Consequences that everyone blames and throws back at God for 'neglecting' or 'not doing anything about'.
Humanity largely wants nothing to do with the God of the bible. Mankind's history is one that prefers to do things his own way and worship gods of their own makings and imaginations to assuage the human nature that demands tyranny and enslavement of everyone but themselves. Religion has proven the best method to achieve that, because people will willingly enslave themselves to tyranny in the belief they are being obedient to God.
Ours was the only nation in man's history that created as a fundamental right - the notion of self-government via liberty that they asserted we were BORN WITH, having come from the Creator rather than from institutions of men. When a people reject the very providence and Scriptures that such rights were derived, we revert to the default position of despotism under the guise of the religion of men, be it Secularism, Communism, Sharia or Popery.
Rejoice, you have a much larger crowd that agrees with your position than I do.
Great post @INVAR !
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@musiclady
We have "vanity" for a president.
At least we don't have 'Hillary' for a president.
Right now, we don't know where vanity will lead Trump. I'm not expecting him to grow up but it is possible that he will do some right things for the wrong reasons.
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At least we don't have 'Hillary' for a president.
Right now, we don't know where vanity will lead Trump. I'm not expecting him to grow up but it is possible that he will do some right things for the wrong reasons.
Yes on both counts.
It's wonderful that Hillary isn't President.
It is possible that Trump will stumble upon something good while he does what is good for himself.
That's the best we can hope for at this point.
Accidental mediocrity......
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Accidental mediocrity......
Yay......maybe. :silly:
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That's the best we can hope for at this point.
Accidental mediocrity......
As opposed to a collective swan dive into 'Democratic Socialism', ruled by an activest Leftist Supreme Court....where the USA as the world and we know it, would cease to exist? Where the 2nd Amendment would be repealed and enforced with extreme prejudice?
The USA ultimately saved the so-called free-world's bacon in WWII. They stopped the Communists in Korea. Through a strong military, they kept our allies safe. Even our enemies were rebuilt and modernized after WWII.
So don't take lightly, the mind's eye of the author when he suggests Trump's election victory stopped all the bad sh*t stone cold.
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So don't take lightly, the mind's eye of the author when he suggests Trump's election victory stopped all the bad sh*t stone cold.
And the Obama drones said the same shit about their messiah in 2008 before he took office too.
We will wait to see the fruits and their effects before we start handing out laurels.
Thusfar I remain verily unimpressed.
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As opposed to a collective swan dive into 'Democratic Socialism', ruled by an activest Leftist Supreme Court....where the USA as the world and we know it, would cease to exist? Where the 2nd Amendment would be repealed and enforced with extreme prejudice?
The USA ultimately saved the so-called free-world's bacon in WWII. They stopped the Communists in Korea. Through a strong military, they kept our allies safe. Even our enemies were rebuilt and modernized after WWII.
So don't take lightly, the mind's eye of the author when he suggests Trump's election victory stopped all the bad sh*t stone cold.
It should never have been a choice between a mediocre, amoral liberal narcissist and Democratic Socialism.
The Republican party should have known better than to nominate someone who didn't represent a single thing they stood for.
Now we area faced with the "better" of two bad options and a dismal future, all because of the desire for "hope and change" based on empty rhetoric.
The America that has saved the world in the past no longer exists.
The election of Donald J. Trump is absolute proof of that.
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So don't take lightly, the mind's eye of the author when he suggests Trump's election victory stopped all the bad sh*t stone cold.
As someone currently serving in the military...I do and will take VERY lightly your suggestion that Trump's election "stopped all the bad sh*t stone cold"
It' hasn't and it won't. If anything history has shown the bad guys in the world will more than likely increase attacks as a way to test toe responses of the new administration.
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It should never have been a choice between a mediocre, amoral liberal narcissist and Democratic Socialism.
So?? That's an entirely different subject....which has been dissected in here ad nauseum.
The Republican party should have known better than to nominate someone who didn't represent a single thing they stood for.
WHAT??? The Republican Party doesn't stand for ANYTHING! It's why there's going to be a President Trump.
Now we area faced with the "better" of two bad options and a dismal future, all because of the desire for "hope and change" based on empty rhetoric.
The America that has saved the world in the past no longer exists.
The election of Donald J. Trump is absolute proof of that.
LOL! You and Michelle Obama....."all hope is lost".
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WHAT??? The Republican Party doesn't stand for ANYTHING! It's why there's going to be a President Trump.
Thank you for proving the point @musiclady was making.
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So much pessimism here ... glad I don't have my gun, I'd have to eat it.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Trump will do. I was so sure Hillary would win and I knew exactly what she would do.
Trump is kind of a mystery right now. Yes, his personal faults would challenge a whole herd of shrinks but the thing is, he might actually, accidentally get a few things right.
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So much pessimism here ... glad I don't have my gun, I'd have to eat it.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Trump will do. I was so sure Hillary would win and I knew exactly what she would do.
Trump is kind of a mystery right now. Yes, his personal faults would challenge a whole herd of shrinks but the thing is, he might actually, accidentally get a few things right.
Only to those who have been in a coma for the last 40 years. Some of his worst behavior has come during the campaign but I'm sure we're past all that now. :silly:
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So much pessimism here ...
So much obsession. So much cant.
The article isn't about Trump but about what Trump's victory means. How the assumed leftist zeitgeist has been shown to be hollow and false.
@Emjay
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It will unfold with or without me, so I choose to watch.
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So?? That's an entirely different subject....which has been dissected in here ad nauseum.
WHAT??? The Republican Party doesn't stand for ANYTHING! It's why there's going to be a President Trump.
LOL! You and Michelle Obama....."all hope is lost".
Yes, the subject has been dissected, but it's still valid.
And yes, the Republican party now stands for nothing because Trump stands for nothing. What he says is not what he believes.
The idea that you would compare me to Michelle Obama is beyond absurdity, DC. It is YOU who cheered on Trump because he stood for some nebulous hope and change, and nothing more. Trump's hollow campaign was as ludicrous as Obama's was....... completely devoid of meaning.
There is no hope for America with either liberal in question. The country went down the drain with Obama in 2008, and the election of Donald Trump just pushed it deeper into the abyss.
I will have to endure another four years with a President who doesn't believe in a single ideal I believe in, either morally or politically.
My life will still be good because God is good, but the country is in the sewer.
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So much pessimism here ... glad I don't have my gun, I'd have to eat it.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Trump will do. I was so sure Hillary would win and I knew exactly what she would do.
Trump is kind of a mystery right now. Yes, his personal faults would challenge a whole herd of shrinks but the thing is, he might actually, accidentally get a few things right.
No. Actually, Trump is not a mystery at all. He has no core. It's the only thing Jimmy Carter has ever been right about.
He is "malleable."
And that's the last thing we need in a President.
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So much obsession. So much cant.
The article isn't about Trump but about what Trump's victory means. How the assumed leftist zeitgeist has been shown to be hollow and false.
@Emjay
And the Trumpgeist is equally hollow and false.
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Only to those who have been in a coma for the last 40 years. Some of his worst behavior has come during the campaign but I'm sure we're past all that now. :silly:
We're apparently supposed to pretend we don't know what we know, and that Trump isn't who he is, so we can be "optimistic."
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Thank you for proving the point @musiclady was making.
Precisely the point.
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The posts of the Trump supporters are interesting. It's like talking to a battered wife married to a lunatic, "he's really a good guy"... "he really can change"..."he didn't really mean that"...
She/they know deep down that the others are right but she/they cannot admit it to themselves because they have to much emotion invested.
The best I can hope that this lunatic doesn't get us all killed as happens to so many battered wives... :shrug:
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Think Positive Folks, If you never try anything new you miss out on some of life's greatest disappointments.
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Think Positive Folks, If you never try anything new you miss out on some of life's greatest disappointments.
You are not going to be too disappointed as long as you know going in that the label that says "new and improved" only means the label is new and improved. The package still contains the same old crap.
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First; Liberty requires free moral agency.
Why should God 'help' nations who reject Him? We can do things God's way, or our own way.
@INVAR
Those two statements are either contradictory,or you find freedom in being a slave.
Nothing wrong with that if that's what you want,but it's not for me.
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And vanity never results in good leadership.
He may make some correct decisions by accident, but his central concern is himself, and as a result, it is nearly impossible that he will be a good President.
And even if he is, he is a horrible person, not worthy our respect.
@musiclady
Thanks for admitting you plan on hating him even if he turns into the best president we ever had.
Yet you LOVED Boy Jorge beyond all logical reason,and that SOB was a horrible freaking president and a traitor to his oath.
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As opposed to a collective swan dive into 'Democratic Socialism', ruled by an activest Leftist Supreme Court....where the USA as the world and we know it, would cease to exist? Where the 2nd Amendment would be repealed and enforced with extreme prejudice?
@DCPatriot @musiclady
She was not only fine with all that stuff,she swooned in delight as Boy Jorge was having Americans killed while fighting wars for his Saud Masters,and begging Congress to give him gun laws to sign.
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It should never have been a choice between a mediocre, amoral liberal narcissist and Democratic Socialism.
The Republican party should have known better than to nominate someone who didn't represent a single thing they stood for.
@musiclady
You still don't get it,and probably never will. The alleged Republican Party of today stands for NOTHING the Dim Party opposes. If there were truth in advertising laws for political parties,they would have to change their official name to the "Me,too! Party"
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@musiclady
Thanks for admitting you plan on hating him even if he turns into the best president we ever had.
Yet you LOVED Boy Jorge beyond all logical reason,and that SOB was a horrible freaking president and a traitor to his oath.
I admitted no such thing.
And your obsession with ugly lies, and complete ignorance should probably get you committed.....
Now PLEASE leave me alone.
(I was about to read your article because people were responding well to it, but this lying little ad hominem will keep me from it. I know you don't care, but I was interested in having some sort of positive dialogue between us. You're a smart guy, and we have a lot in common, but your illness keeps you from admitting it).
At least the sane people on this forum know that your incessant personal attacks against me are filthy lies, so I don't worry about the damage they will do to the truth about me.
The truth will set you free, @sneakypete - why don't you try it sometime?
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@musiclady
You still don't get it,and probably never will. The alleged Republican Party of today stands for NOTHING the Dim Party opposes. If there were truth in advertising laws for political parties,they would have to change their official name to the "Me,too! Party"
Which was my point when I posted to her....to which she said was HER entire point.
"....I'm so confused!"....Vinnie Barbarino :laugh:
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@musiclady
You still don't get it,and probably never will. The alleged Republican Party of today stands for NOTHING the Dim Party opposes. If there were truth in advertising laws for political parties,they would have to change their official name to the "Me,too! Party"
I guess you haven't read anything I've written about the fact that I'm no longer a Republican.
Once again, NO truth in your distorted view of who I am, or what I believe. I am a Christian, so I am to be hated.
At least you don't have to waste brain cells when you post to me.
Not a single aspect of intellect is used in anything you ever say to me.
But do go on.
The more you post, the sicker others can see you are.
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I admitted no such thing.
(I was about to read your article because people were responding well to it, but this lying little ad hominem will keep me from it.
The truth will set you free, @sneakypete - why don't you try it sometime?
@musiclady
The archives on FR will prove which one of us is lying. Especially the "A day in the life of George Bush" daily worship threads.
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Which was my point when I posted to her....to which she said was HER entire point.
"....I'm so confused!"....Vinnie Barbarino :laugh:
The Republican party, which was on life support previously, is dead now.
It's not that confusing, Vinnie.
Trump killed what was left of it, and it no longer represents anything a moral Constitutionalist believes in.
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Let's see, Republican Party has not had as many Governorships, Legislatures since the 1920s; but Trump killed the GOP, really hit that one out of the park!
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@musiclady
The archives on FR will prove which one of us is lying. Especially the "A day in the life of George Bush" daily worship threads.
I'll bet you have out of context 15 year old comments of mine in your files because you love me so much, peter.
I'm going to have to tell my husband about your obsession with me. He read most of the Dose because he respected W too, and since we (my husband and I) are madly in love with each other, we share all good things together.
Shall I get him here so we can both laugh at your crush on me together? 888heartkitty
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Let's see, Republican Party has not had as many Governorships, Legislatures since the 1920s; but Trump killed the GOP, really hit that one out of the park!
Great point @TomSea
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I'll bet you have out of context 15 year old comments of mine in your files because you love me so much, peter.
I'm going to have to tell my husband about your obsession with me. He read most of the Dose because he respected W too, and since we (my husband and I) are madly in love with each other, we share all good things together.
Shall I get him here so we can both laugh at your crush on me together? 888heartkitty
@musiclady
Sure. What harm can it do? He already knows you are delusional,so it won't come as a shock to him.
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Great point @TomSea
@TomSea @Right_in_Virginia
You have to understand the mindset. The Republican Party is "dead" because JEB and the other neo-cons were rejected,not because it doesn't represent conservative thought.
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@musiclady
Sure. What harm can it do? He already knows you are delusional,so it won't come as a shock to him.
Oh, yeah, right......... but he doesn't know you hijack threads because of your man-crush on W.
(That should amuse him greatly, since he's completely hetero, and doesn't understand those kinds of things).
Bye pete. No more participation in your hijack.
Trump's victory is NOT 'pivotal' in any sense, because it is a continuation of liberalism, not a repudiation of it.
And with that, I leave the thread.
:seeya:
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Oh, yeah, right......... but he doesn't know you hijack threads because of your man-crush on W.
(That should amuse him greatly, since he's completely hetero, and doesn't understand those kinds of things).
@And that is what passes for logic on your home world.
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@And that is what passes for logic on your home world.
Tell you what, @sneakypete . Just try posting to me sometime without your gratuitous personal attacks and I won't have to respond in kind. You just make things up out of whole cloth to demean me and lie about me, and get me to respond.
Sometimes I'm weak and reply to your ugly, irrelevant taunts, but I don't want to.
I'm serious in that I would some day like to have an actual discussion with you because we DO have a lot in common, but your obsession with hating me and lying gets in the way of anything truthful between us.
Why don't you delete your first (dumb, insulting, irrelevant) post to me on this thread, and try having an actual discussion of issues and facts with me?
Don't attack my character, my morality, my husband, my honor any more. Don't falsely accuse because of your own hatred.
Both my husband and I, and millions of others (including many on this forum) respected George W. Bush greatly.
There is nothing wrong with us. He is no longer President. We are not obsessed. We are emotionally healthy. And we love America.
But Bush is old news now...... almost all of us had serious issues with his second term, and not one of us is, as you falsely accuse, 'in love' with him. Your bringing him up to me in a personal attack was a stupid, stupid hijack of this thread, and an insult to the intelligence of everyone on it.
Most especially, your obsession is an insult to your own intelligence. So stop making yourself look dumb. You're not.
Again, back to the topic..... Trump's election hasn't done a thing to stop the destruction of America through liberalism.
He will continue it because he believes in it.
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Those two statements are either contradictory,or you find freedom in being a slave.
Nothing wrong with that if that's what you want,but it's not for me.
C'mon Pete, you're smarter than that.
If you got a rebellious teenager who thinks they are smarter than you, truly hates you and your 'laws' , and they refuse to heed your sage advice while insisting on doing things their own way - when the proverbial shit hits the fan in their lives, even after you warned them NOT to be stupid and do their own thing - are you going to enable bad behavior and rescue them from the consequences they have justly earned?
Why do you assume our 'make believe God' is any different?
He is not going to come down and rescue a nation and people that hate Him or have no regard for Him when the consequences for their actions are visited upon them.
Heeding Dad's Law, or 'being a slave' of God, may seem foolish to you - but it circumvents having to suffer the consequences of one's own stupidity. Unfortunately - on this rock, it does not protect us from the stupidity of others.
But liberty means we can choose to be stupid - and hopefully learn that our way is stupid and only brings misery and death unless we follow Dad's Laws.
Or not.
And then the consequences are visited, whereby the innocent suffer right along with the imbeciles and tyrants.
So I do find freedom in being a slave of The Lord.
Freedom from the consequences of sin that I might bring upon myself or others.
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establishment insiders, cronies and lobbyists
How can you say that about Ben Carson?
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Interesting how the biggest campaign donors get cabinet positions...
Once again, how can you say that about Ben Carson?
That is just an outright lie.
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Agreed.
I have and will give him props when he does something right.
But you already said 'Everything' he has done he has backtracked.
At least be consistent.
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Only to those who have been in a coma for the last 40 years. Some of his worst behavior has come during the campaign but I'm sure we're past all that now. :silly:
I meant that, while we knew exactly what Hillary would do ... and it was all bad... Trump is still a mystery as to what he will do as president.
Nobody has to remind me about what Trump is like as a person but nobody knows what he'll do as president.
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@musiclady
Thanks for admitting you plan on hating him even if he turns into the best president we ever had.
Yet you LOVED Boy Jorge beyond all logical reason,and that SOB was a horrible freaking president and a traitor to his oath.
@sneakypete
I made a decision yesterday about what to do in response to your bizarre, repeated, deceitful and childish, thread-jacking taunts.
Every time you assault me with lies about lusting after George W. Bush, I will simply respond with an equally absurd accusation that you have a man-crush on him (thus, your obsession) and are simply jealous that you can't have him all to yourself.
Perhaps that will stop you from inserting your fantasy delusions on otherwise rational threads, and your pre-pubescent cyber bullying will cease.
You see, unlike you, I am both emotionally secure and honest, so, while I hate that you keep lying about me, I am not intimidated by your ad hominem idiocy, and I can be as consistent in responding to your lies as you are in perpetrating them.
I am going to continue posting my views on this forum, but if you try this crap again, I will simply respond in kind, and accuse you of the moral degradation you accuse me of repeatedly. I'm sure you will love my calling you a degenerate as much as I do when you level that accusation at me.
If instead, you just want to stop lying, I'm good with that.
The ball is in your court, deceitful peter.......
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@sneakypete
I made a decision yesterday about what to do in response to your bizarre, repeated, deceitful and childish, thread-jacking taunts.
Every time you assault me with lies about lusting after George W. Bush, I will simply respond with an equally absurd accusation that you have a man-crush on him (thus, your obsession) and are simply jealous that you can't have him all to yourself.
@musiclady
Well,that makes about as much sense and anything else you write. You and reality never have seemed to have never been within shouting distance ,so that fits right in.
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@sneakypete
I made a decision yesterday about what to do in response to your bizarre, repeated, deceitful and childish, thread-jacking taunts.
Every time you assault me with lies about lusting after George W. Bush, I will simply respond with an equally absurd accusation that you have a man-crush on him (thus, your obsession) and are simply jealous that you can't have him all to yourself.
Perhaps that will stop you from inserting your fantasy delusions on otherwise rational threads, and your pre-pubescent cyber bullying will cease.
You see, unlike you, I am both emotionally secure and honest, so, while I hate that you keep lying about me, I am not intimidated by your ad hominem idiocy, and I can be as consistent in responding to your lies as you are in perpetrating them.
I am going to continue posting my views on this forum, but if you try this crap again, I will simply respond in kind, and accuse you of the moral degradation you accuse me of repeatedly. I'm sure you will love my calling you a degenerate as much as I do when you level that accusation at me.
If instead, you just want to stop lying, I'm good with that.
The ball is in your court, deceitful peter.......
...thought you were leaving the thread, darling. :whistle:
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@musiclady
Well,that makes about as much sense and anything else you write. You and reality never have seemed to have never been within shouting distance ,so that fits right in.
If anything you wrote made sense (I suppose it does to you), then I wouldn't have to respond in kind with nonsense, now would I? What I said is as logical as what you say repeatedly.
Again.......... cease and desist from the false accusations, and all will be well. But the next time you lie, you can be assured as to what I will say in response.
It's a simple request, peter. Try to see if you have the courage to control yourself.
The ball is still in your court.
And now I am done. I hope you have a Happy New Year, and have someone you care about to celebrate it with.
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...thought you were leaving the thread, darling. :whistle:
I am.
Thanks for the kind reminder.
Happy New Year, friend. ^-^
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I am.
Thanks for the kind reminder.
Happy New Year, friend. ^-^
:beer:
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I am.
Thanks for the kind reminder.
Happy New Year, friend. ^-^
I've had Sneaky Pete on ignore ever since he made a lewd comment about me because I admire George W. Bush, a gentleman and a good president.
I would suggest you do the same ... it makes life more pleasant.
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At least we don't have 'Hillary' for a president.
Right now, we don't know where vanity will lead Trump. I'm not expecting him to grow up but it is possible that he will do some right things for the wrong reasons.
Yes, we ignore the 50 bad things he does and laud and bow down and lick his toes over the 1 right thing he did for the wrong reason while bashing those "Trump haters" for being foolish.
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I've had Sneaky Pete on ignore ever since he made a lewd comment about me because I admire George W. Bush, a gentleman and a good president.
I would suggest you do the same ... it makes life more pleasant.
Not a bad suggestion. He's obsessed.
@Emjay - DONE!
Here's to a more pleasant New Year, free from assault, for the both of us! :beer:
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Yes, we ignore the 50 bad things he does and laud and bow down and lick his toes over the 1 right thing he did for the wrong reason while bashing those "Trump haters" for being foolish.
Get off of it!!! I will never lick anyone's toes and you are ridiculous for making such a remark.
I see no point in letting trump hate turn you into an idiot.
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You people are freaking hilarious!
:silly: :silly:
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It should never have been a choice between a mediocre, amoral liberal narcissist and Democratic Socialism.
The Republican party should have known better than to nominate someone who didn't represent a single thing they stood for.
Now we area faced with the "better" of two bad options and a dismal future, all because of the desire for "hope and change" based on empty rhetoric.
The America that has saved the world in the past no longer exists.
The election of Donald J. Trump is absolute proof of that.
The GOP didn't nominate Trump, the primary candidate. He ran and then the GOP, in a panic over another "Ross Perot" event, co-opted him into running in the GOP primary. They thought one of their candidates would easily beat him.
That he won the GOP primary shows that the plurality of GOP primary voters WANTED him.
And that the rest, the majority of GOP primary voters, have such radically disparate notions of conservatism that they cannot agree to support anyone other than the candidate representing their sliver of it. For why else have 21+ primary candidates?
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The GOP didn't nominate Trump, the primary candidate. He ran and then the GOP, in a panic over another "Ross Perot" event, co-opted him into running in the GOP primary. They thought one of their candidates would easily beat him in their own primary.
That he won the GOP primary shows that the plurality of GOP primary voters WANTED him.
And that the rest, the majority of GOP primary voters, have such radically disparate notions of conservatism that they cannot agree to support anyone other than the candidate representing their sliver of it. For why else have 21+ primary candidates?
Trump did not win a majority of primary votes, just a plurality.
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So much pessimism here ... glad I don't have my gun, I'd have to eat it.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Trump will do. I was so sure Hillary would win and I knew exactly what she would do.
Trump is kind of a mystery right now. Yes, his personal faults would challenge a whole herd of shrinks but the thing is, he might actually, accidentally get a few things right.
It's okay if you have one of these guns.
(https://www.logosonchocolate.com/UserDocs/Store/lg_gun.jpg)
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The posts of the Trump supporters are interesting. It's like talking to a battered wife married to a lunatic, "he's really a good guy"... "he really can change"..."he didn't really mean that"...
She/they know deep down that the others are right but she/they cannot admit it to themselves because they have to much emotion invested.
The best I can hope that this lunatic doesn't get us all killed as happens to so many battered wives... :shrug:
That's...
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...a really good observation.
It really made me pause and think about it. Thank you. I like comments that do that.
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Trump did not win a majority of primary votes, just a plurality.
not according to the actual results.
Unsure where you are getting your information.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=0
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Trump did not win a majority of primary votes, just a plurality.
Right around 38% till everyone else dropped out.
Reince Priebus helped Trump by allowing 17 freakin candidates when he could have easily denied some of the late entry 0 chance candidates like Graham. The GOPe didn't intend for Trump to win but they did intend for him to clear a path for someone like Bush. Trump surprised them by taking out the establishment candidates first. When they were down to 4 candidates Trump couldn't hide from serious questions anymore so he refuse further debates.
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not according to the actual results.
Unsure where you are getting your information.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=0)
Votes, not delegates.
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Votes, not delegates.
They have to spin the history in order to create the illusion to foment the zeitgeist that Trump was supported by the vast majority in the primary, when he never was.
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Votes, not delegates.
Votes do not select the nominee, the party does. Hence, Trump did receive a majority of delegates, which is what is important. To suggest some type of 'popular' vote means something plays into the libs' playbook and is a mute point anyway.
Are you adhering to some process other than that to select a nominee?
This country is not a democracy, but a Constitutional Republic.
Prager has an excellent summary of why we do not have a democracy and select by popular vote.
http://www.dennisprager.com/see-this-now-prageru-on-the-electoral-college/
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Votes do not select the nominee, the party does. Hence, Trump did receive a majority of delegates, which is what is important. To suggest some type of 'popular' vote means something plays into the libs' playbook and is a mute point anyway.
Are you adhering to some process other than that to select a nominee?
This country is not a democracy, but a Constitutional Republic.
Prager has an excellent summary of why we do not have a democracy and select by popular vote.
http://www.dennisprager.com/see-this-now-prageru-on-the-electoral-college/ (http://www.dennisprager.com/see-this-now-prageru-on-the-electoral-college/)
I was just mentioning that Trump never got a majority of votes, not delegates. He failed to get one in both the primary and general.
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Votes do not select the nominee, the party does. Hence, Trump did receive a majority of delegates, which is what is important. To suggest some type of 'popular' vote means something plays into the libs' playbook and is a mute point anyway.
Are you adhering to some process other than that to select a nominee?
This country is not a democracy, but a Constitutional Republic.
Prager has an excellent summary of why we do not have a democracy and select by popular vote.
http://www.dennisprager.com/see-this-now-prageru-on-the-electoral-college/
This country is an oligarchy.
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Votes do not select the nominee, the party does.
So you and the Establishment agree: no need for Primaries anymore - the Party will just select their nominee by decree.
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Idiot, I was just mentioning that Trump never got a majority of votes, not delegates. He failed to get one in both the primary and general.
Exactly correct on all counts.
He managed a plurality in vote totals to get the nomination.
He lost the Popular vote in the General and simply captured enough states to give him the EC edge over Clinton.
Trump has no mandate except in the eyes of his rabid worshippers.
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So you and the Establishment agree: no need for Primaries anymore - the Party will just select their nominee by decree.
The party has ALWAYS been the one to select its nominee.
As far as primaries are concerned, what is your point?
We have never lived in a country wherein the popular vote decides the Presidential nominee, either in a party or in general election.
Are you advocating something different?
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Idiot, I was just mentioning that Trump never got a majority of votes, not delegates. He failed to get one in both the primary and general.
Ok, I see what you meant, although the insult is not necessary.
My point is that it is a mute point on all fronts, as it is not the way elections work in this country. If you advocate differently then you are supporting the erosion on how this country selects its highest official, and plays into the hands of the libs.
And BTW, I am far less of a Trump supporter than a supporter of the Constitution of this country.
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The party has ALWAYS been the one to select its nominee.
As far as primaries are concerned, what is your point?
We have never lived in a country wherein the popular vote decides the Presidential nominee, either in a party or in general election.
Are you advocating something different?
The meme from the Trump Militant and Faithful has been that Trump "won" the primary and the General in a "landslide" of popular support and that Trump won "The majority of votes".
No he didn't win the "Majority" in either the primaries or the General. He won a plurality in a primary field of 17 contenders and did not win the popular vote (a majority) in the general as Trump fanatics will insist to your face amidst the ridicule that their guy "won" and we who did not support him are "losers" - even when we supported actual Constitutional Conservatives in each trip to the polls last year.
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The meme from the Trump Militant and Faithful has been that Trump "won" the primary and the General in a "landslide" of popular support and that Trump won "The majority of votes".
No he didn't win the "Majority" in either the primaries or the General. He won a plurality in a primary field of 17 contenders and did not win the popular vote (a majority) in the general as Trump fanatics will insist to your face amidst the ridicule that their guy "won" and we who did not support him are "losers" - even when we supported actual Constitutional Conservatives in each trip to the polls last year.
I see now, you are just countering some wild claims by Trumpsters. It really makes no difference one way or the other.
That interests me, and should you too, much less than any attempt to undermine the way the Constitution declares the way this country selects its leaders.
Let them rant all they want.
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The meme from the Trump Militant and Faithful has been that Trump "won" the primary and the General in a "landslide" of popular support and that Trump won "The majority of votes".
Memes are easily discovered with keyword searches. You lose.
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Exactly correct on all counts.
He managed a plurality in vote totals to get the nomination.
He lost the Popular vote in the General and simply captured enough states to give him the EC edge over Clinton.
Trump has no mandate except in the eyes of his rabid worshippers.
Yep.
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Memes are easily discovered with keyword searches. You lose.
TOS, FB, and a litany of assorted forums I peruse are rife with the finger-in-the-chest exclamations of that very meme still being flung in the faces of us Conservative *sore losers*.
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The party has ALWAYS been the one to select its nominee.
As far as primaries are concerned, what is your point?
We have never lived in a country wherein the popular vote decides the Presidential nominee, either in a party or in general election.
Are you advocating something different?
Reagan...at least in 1980 was most certainly not the candidate the GOP and the RNC wanted...they would have preferred Bush 41.
It was the voters in the Republican Party that wanted Reagan.
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It is quite clear that DT and his minions are using the KlintonDictionary. They create their own meanings.....because they 'can'.
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I see now, you are just countering some wild claims by Trumpsters. It really makes no difference one way or the other.
That interests me, and should you too, much less than any attempt to undermine the way the Constitution declares the way this country selects its leaders.
Let them rant all they want.
We live in an age where perception is reality REGARDLESS of what the Constitution actually says.
In fact, Congress under the GOP has completely surrendered the Constitution to political precedent.
Good luck getting that genie back in the bottle.
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It is quite clear that DT and his minions are using the KlintonDictionary. They create their own meanings.....because they 'can'.
I misread that. I thought it said the KlingonDictionary. Throw it at the wall and see if it sticks...
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I misread that. I thought it said the KlingonDictionary. Throw it at the wall and see if it sticks...
Head big red.. Watch out for klingons on uranus
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Reagan...at least in 1980 was most certainly not the candidate the GOP and the RNC wanted...they would have preferred Bush 41.
It was the voters in the Republican Party that wanted Reagan.
Well, news flash: the Party selected Reagan, not the voters.
Does anyone yet not get that when a voter pulls the lever in the voting booth for a Presidential candidate, whether in the primary or the general, they do NOT actually vote for the candidate but for a delegate or elector instead?
Perhaps the voters influenced who the Party selected is what you wished to relay?
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We live in an age where perception is reality REGARDLESS of what the Constitution actually says.
In fact, Congress under the GOP has completely surrendered the Constitution to political precedent.
Good luck getting that genie back in the bottle.
I happen to be one who believes in the rule of law. The precedent you are describing seemingly says that to hell with the law, we are going into the toilet in any case, so go ahead and do anything one wishes as the law means nothing.
Bad way to approach the future, as there will be no hope for anything to change for the better.
And to say that Congress 'has completely surrendered the Constitution' is a tad dramatic too.
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I happen to be one who believes in the rule of law. The precedent you are describing seemingly says that to hell with the law, we are going into the toilet in any case, so go ahead and do anything one wishes as the law means nothing.
Bad way to approach the future, as there will be no hope for anything to change for the better.
And to say that Congress 'has completely surrendered the Constitution' is a tad dramatic too.
Nah. It isn't dramatic enough. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this debate.
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Nah. It isn't dramatic enough. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this debate.
Care to relay exactly what it is you think we are 'debating'?
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I happen to be one who believes in the rule of law.
So what?
You and I are now a tiny minority that do.
The precedent you are describing seemingly says that to hell with the law, we are going into the toilet in any case, so go ahead and do anything one wishes as the law means nothing.
The last 8 years are a perfect case-in-point to that fact.
Bad way to approach the future, as there will be no hope for anything to change for the better.
Tell that to a populace that sees the government as god and people seeking high office as saviors and messiahs.
And to say that Congress 'has completely surrendered the Constitution' is a tad dramatic too.
Only if one willfully ignores the fruits of the last 4 years, plus.
Lip service is totally acceptable to conceal the reality of how an oligarchy actually rules.
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That he won the GOP primary shows that the plurality of GOP primary voters WANTED him.
Many were Democrats crossing over
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We live in an age where perception is reality REGARDLESS of what the Constitution actually says.
In fact, Congress under the GOP has completely surrendered the Constitution to political precedent.
Good luck getting that genie back in the bottle.
First step is appointing good judges to the court. I would say it's the only way.
It's why I held my nose and pulled the lever for Der Trumpenfuerer. I'm still hoping that wasn't a mistake.
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Many were Democrats crossing over
The idiots bragged about the democrat crossovers.
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The idiots bragged about the democrat crossovers.
Except, 'this' idiot PREDICTED those democrat crossovers would be the key to canceling out "the idiots" who aligned with #nevertrump.
Damn...I'm good, ain't I? :shrug:
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Trump has no mandate except in the eyes of his rabid worshippers.
@INVAR
It's good to know that you are quite happy to continue the globalist Marxist status quo. I was told this was a conservative forum? Was I miss informed? Since when are conservatives opposed to a mandate of securing the border, reducing illegal immigration, deporting criminal illegals, negotiating better fairer trade deals, building up our military and fighting our real enemy, radical Islam? I would think any real conservative would be opposed to continuing Obamas' pro globalist, pro Muslim, anti-American big government policies. But that's just me.
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TOS, FB, and a litany of assorted forums I peruse are rife with the finger-in-the-chest exclamations of that very meme still being flung in the faces of us Conservative *sore losers*.
Reading your comments leads me to ask, if you are not a "sore loser" than what are you? You certainly sound like a sore loser to me. Are you also in favor of doing away with the electoral college? Are you sorry Hillary did not win?
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Yep; we don't know what percentage of people in '12 held back their vote for Romney; but I see some anti-Romneys discredit Putin; well, Mitt called it right on Russia. I certainly voted for Romney's strong foreign policy and we have in part, the mess we have today because Obama reigned.
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It is quite clear that DT and his minions are using the KlintonDictionary. They create their own meanings.....because they 'can'.
what do you call; Clinton 232 votes=/Trump 306 votes?
I'd say that's a big win, some might even say a land slide.
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And to say that Congress 'has completely surrendered the Constitution' is a tad dramatic too.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Drama? LOL, you ain't seen nothing yet. Wait till he gets to my comments.
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what do you call; Clinton 232 votes=/Trump 306 votes?
I'd say that's a big win, some might even say a land slide.
When I think of landslide, I think of Reagan-Mondale. You're entitled to your opinion, though.
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Except, 'this' idiot PREDICTED those democrat crossovers would be the key to canceling out "the idiots" who aligned with #nevertrump.
Damn...I'm good, ain't I? :shrug:
Well you were not the only one :)
And isn't it terrible that the GOP attracted working class Dem voters as fed up with the status quo are are middle working class Repub voters.
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When I think of landslide, I think of Reagan-Mondale. You're entitled to your opinion, though.
Even Nixon could give Trump a lesson on electoral/popular landslides.
(http://i.imgur.com/7QgL3ah.png)
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It's rich to hear the Never-Romneys gripe about Putin; since their point of view again, is effectively Pro-Vladimir Putin.
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Just going by the title; 'human history', I think is a bit dramatic. Perhaps Trump's victory is a turning point in political history, but certainly not human history. I don't consider that he won by a landslide. IMHO a landslide would have been if he had won both the popular vote and the electoral vote. Politically he won against all odds; dominated the media and kept the Clinton dynasty from the White House.
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So what?
You and I are now a tiny minority that do.
The last 8 years are a perfect case-in-point to that fact.
Tell that to a populace that sees the government as god and people seeking high office as saviors and messiahs.
Only if one willfully ignores the fruits of the last 4 years, plus.
Lip service is totally acceptable to conceal the reality of how an oligarchy actually rules.
When I read your posts, what I read is someone who is a bitter person who has given up and refuses to act against those opposed to this country. Sad, as with that attitude by many, we will certainly have a rougher time to return this country to what it should be and stop the insanity of liberalism.
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Just going by the title; 'human history', I think is a bit dramatic. Perhaps Trump's victory is a turning point in political history, but certainly not human history. I don't consider that he won by a landslide. IMHO a landslide would have been if he had won both the popular vote and the electoral vote. Politically he won against all odds; dominated the media and kept the Clinton dynasty from the White House.
Its more than a little dramatic.They make the Obama worshipers seem rational in comparison.
Just this morning I saw a Trumper on Twitter saying we should all thank God for giving us 2 men (Trump and Putin) who have sacrificed everything for their love of mankind.
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According to Trump hacking is serious and no computer is safe and we all should be using pen and paper and hiring a courier to carry our posts to each other. Because human couriers would never, ever be compromised or bribed...
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Its more than a little dramatic.They make the Obama worshipers seem rational in comparison.
Just this morning I saw a Trumper on Twitter saying we should all thank God for giving us 2 men (Trump and Putin) who have sacrificed everything for their love of mankind.
Wow. I tend to stay away from both Twitter and Facebook; way too much drama.
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Its more than a little dramatic.They make the Obama worshipers seem rational in comparison.
They? This is about an article by one person. An article devoid of worship.
Just this morning I saw a Trumper on Twitter saying we should all thank God for giving us 2 men (Trump and Putin) who have sacrificed everything for their love of mankind.
And at that same moment, someone cut the cheese in Sheboygan. Will these blasphemies never end?
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Many were Democrats crossing over
@geronl
Does that mean they WEREN'T GOP primary voters in your world?
How does that work out?
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According to Trump hacking is serious and no computer is safe and we all should be using pen and paper and hiring a courier to carry our posts to each other. Because human couriers would never, ever be compromised or bribed...
Couriers, when it absolutely, positively has to be there sometime next week.
Can you imagine the cost of all these couriers? There would need to be thousands of them in DC alone not to mention the 10s of thousands more who would need to be traveling all over the world all the time. The couriers themselves would be corruptible by way of blackmail, threats or basic greed. Even if they weren't corruptible they would still be vulnerable to murder and theft of info. Couriers couldn't carry detailed info in their memories because the human memory is far less reliable than the computers.
Its like Trump is a 3rd grader planning his fantasy presidency.
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Wow. I tend to stay away from both Twitter and Facebook; way too much drama.
Never done Facebook or Twitter, don't plan to start this year.
I'm comfortable in my own skin (finally), and understand that my personal stories/opinions are interesting only to me.
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First step is appointing good judges to the court. I would say it's the only way.
It's why I held my nose and pulled the lever for Der Trumpenfuerer. I'm still hoping that wasn't a mistake.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Hoping for the best is all any of us can do. There will never be a perfect candidate to manage a free country because leaders in a free country are not dictators,and because the voters in free countries make many,many demands on the candidates who have to deal with other former candidates for support that are dealing with voters demanding certain actions from them.
Seems like most people are having a hard time understanding that the ONLY systems with "perfect candidates" are dictatorships. Freedom and free countries are a little messier.
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The idiots bragged about the democrat crossovers.
@Cripplecreek
Odd how they no longer brag about that,huh?
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@INVAR
... Since when are conservatives opposed to a mandate of securing the border, reducing illegal immigration, deporting criminal illegals, negotiating better fairer trade deals, building up our military and fighting our real enemy, radical Islam?
@jpsb @INVAR
They are NOT conservatives,any more than the creatures from the Bush Crime Family,the McLunatics,Lady Lindsey Graham,or Bob Dolt are conservatives. They are PARTY PEOPLE,who are upset that a outsider came in and destroyed JEB's and the alleged Republican Party's apple cart.
Most of them might not realize it themselves because they see the alleged Republican Party as BEING America,but they don't really give a damn about America. What they love is the alleged Republican Party and the globalist drones that run it.
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@jpsb @INVAR
They are NOT conservatives,any more than the creatures from the Bush Crime Family,the McLunatics,Lady Lindsey Graham,or Bob Dolt are conservatives. They are PARTY PEOPLE,who are upset that a outsider came in and destroyed JEB's and the alleged Republican Party's apple cart.
Most of them might not realize it themselves because they see the alleged Republican Party as BEING America,but they don't really give a damn about America. What they love is the alleged Republican Party and the globalist drones that run it.
888high58888
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Yep; we don't know what percentage of people in '12 held back their vote for Romney; but I see some anti-Romneys discredit Putin; well, Mitt called it right on Russia. I certainly voted for Romney's strong foreign policy and we have in part, the mess we have today because Obama reigned.
@TomSea
Romney wasn't running against Cruelela Clinton. If he had been,he would now be "former president Romney."
All these people are pissed off that Trump won because he's not an accepted Party Insider. They are Party People that would have been applauding if it had been Lady Lindsey or JEB that had won.
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what do you call; Clinton 232 votes=/Trump 306 votes?
I'd say that's a big win, some might even say a land slide.
@jpsb
YOU see a win. What THEY see is a loss for their Party. It's not about America with them,it's about Party.
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Well you were not the only one :)
And isn't it terrible that the GOP attracted working class Dem voters as fed up with the status quo are are middle working class Repub voters.
@jpsb
The unspeakable horrors!
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Just going by the title; 'human history', I think is a bit dramatic. Perhaps Trump's victory is a turning point in political history, but certainly not human history.
@libertybele
I suspect this may be the first time in human history (which is the only history we humans are ever concerned with) that an outsider who had never ran for or even been appointed to a public office in his life came out of nowhere with not even a fringe political party to support him, and defeated all the professional politicians to become the leader of the most powerful nation in the world.
That's historic,period.
Granted,he owes it more to how much contempt the voting public held for the other candidates than it does to how much they admire him,but a win is a win.
AND........,if he manages even a semi-successful first term despite all the roadblocks the ruling class throw in his way his first term,just imagine how big of a margin he will win by if he runs for a second term and voters are no longer afraid of him.
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Its more than a little dramatic.They make the Obama worshipers seem rational in comparison.
Just this morning I saw a Trumper on Twitter saying we should all thank God for giving us 2 men (Trump and Putin) who have sacrificed everything for their love of mankind.
@Cripplecreek
Admit it,you would be happier with Bubbette! and Bubba back in the WH than with Trump in there.
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Couriers, when it absolutely, positively has to be there sometime next week.
Can you imagine the cost of all these couriers? There would need to be thousands of them in DC alone not to mention the 10s of thousands more who would need to be traveling all over the world all the time. The couriers themselves would be corruptible by way of blackmail, threats or basic greed. Even if they weren't corruptible they would still be vulnerable to murder and theft of info. Couriers couldn't carry detailed info in their memories because the human memory is far less reliable than the computers.
Its like Trump is a 3rd grader planning his fantasy presidency.
@Cripplecreek
Get a grip on yourself. There is nothing new about "Safe Hands Couriers". I've been one myself one time when something had to be handcarried to where I was going anyway. "Safe Hand Couriers" are only used in extreme cases where it is impossible to get information from one point to another because it is an artifact of some sort,or a piece of unique physical evidence.
Yeah,every code can be broken. Good luck breaking the ones used by the NSA in your lifetime. Even if you are a government with the budget of a government to buy the mega computers and hire the hackers you need to hire,you aren't going to do it before whatever was in it is already a part of history.
Yeah,you could hack into my computer or your computer with child-like ease,but so what? No foreign power would have anything worth having if they did do it.
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@geronl
Does that mean they WEREN'T GOP primary voters in your world?
How does that work out?
The lack of rationality some display in here is...ASTOUNDING! :laugh:
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@jpsb @INVAR
They are NOT conservatives,any more than the creatures from the Bush Crime Family,the McLunatics,Lady Lindsey Graham,or Bob Dolt are conservatives. They are PARTY PEOPLE,who are upset that a outsider came in and destroyed JEB's and the alleged Republican Party's apple cart.
Most of them might not realize it themselves because they see the alleged Republican Party as BEING America,but they don't really give a damn about America. What they love is the alleged Republican Party and the globalist drones that run it.
@sneakypete
You're on a roll this morning! :beer:
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@INVAR
It's good to know that you are quite happy to continue the globalist Marxist status quo. I was told this was a conservative forum? Was I miss informed? Since when are conservatives opposed to a mandate of securing the border, reducing illegal immigration, deporting criminal illegals, negotiating better fairer trade deals, building up our military and fighting our real enemy, radical Islam? I would think any real conservative would be opposed to continuing Obamas' pro globalist, pro Muslim, anti-American big government policies. But that's just me.
When we're tens of trillions of dollars and debt and growing every year, those are luxuries we can't afford. Also, what about our rights of conscience, which have been under attack for a decade now? That's not Trump's schtick. Sure, he may pay lipservice to letting us not be forced to serve others, or not be forced to buy overpriced and ineffective health insurance, but he doesn't care that much about that, because he's already rich enough not to have to worry about it and is just as unrestrained as those who seek to destroy our freedoms.
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@jmyrlefuller
"When we're tens of trillions of dollars and debt and growing every year, those are luxuries we can't afford. "
What we CAN'T afford is to let Islam continue to exist as anything other than a historical oddity. It's either totally defeat them,or be defeated. There IS no in-between. They have been fighting for world domination of their Islamic police state for several centuries,only taking time off to recover and breed new generations of cannon fodder before starting off on Jihad again.
"Also, what about our rights of conscience, .."
Tell ya what,move to Shitstainastan,and then get back with me on the "rights of conscience" you are enjoying.
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@sneakypete
Modify is your friend. Kindly keep your responses separate from those you're quoting.
Do you even read what you are typing before you hit post?
ETA: @mystery-ak
I'm no saint, but the profanity needs to cease. It adds nothing to the conversation, other than to provide Trumpbots with an additional syllable.
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@sneakypete
Modify is your friend. Kindly keep your responses separate from those you're quoting.
Do you even read what you are typing before you hit post?
ETA: @mystery-ak
I'm no saint, but the profanity needs to cease. It adds nothing to the conversation, other than to provide Trumpbots with an additional syllable.
@Night Hides Not
Ok,since you can't seem to figure out something that complex on your own,the parts in bold are what I write. The parts NOT in bold that are surrounded by quotation marks are the parts someone else wrote that I am responding to.
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@Night Hides Not
Ok,since you can't seem to figure out something that complex on your own,the parts in bold are what I write. The parts NOT in bold that are surrounded by quotation marks are the parts someone else wrote that I am responding to.
Oh I had that figured out. What you don't understand is the lack of respect you paid by seemingly putting words into another poster's mouth.
Not my fault you don't understand the nuances of TBR's software.
I never knew that Trumpsters understood nuance. :silly:
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Oh I had that figured out. What you don't understand is the lack of respect you paid by seemingly putting words into another poster's mouth.
@Night Hides Not
Why would I pretend to have any respect for a cretin so slow they don't even understand what they are promoting?
Please feel free to include yourself in that group,Mrs Grundy.
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Hoping for the best is all any of us can do. There will never be a perfect candidate to manage a free country because leaders in a free country are not dictators,and because the voters in free countries make many,many demands on the candidates who have to deal with other former candidates for support that are dealing with voters demanding certain actions from them.
Seems like most people are having a hard time understanding that the ONLY systems with "perfect candidates" are dictatorships. Freedom and free countries are a little messier.
Well said @sneakypete Well said. :thumbsup:
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@Night Hides Not
Why would I pretend to have any respect for a cretin so slow they don't even understand what they are promoting?
Please feel free to include yourself in that group,Mrs Grundy.
Spoken like a true Trumpbot! Your lack of respect to anyone who disagrees with you is a hallmark of Trumpist philosophy.
Kanas must have thought of you when they recorded "Carry on Wayward Son".
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@INVAR
It's good to know that you are quite happy to continue the globalist Marxist status quo.
What is it with you pretend Conservatives adopting the bullshit tactics of the rabid Left when people do not agree with you?
Trump REPRESENTS the globalist Marxist status quo, albeit with a nice Fascist dictatorial twist given his inability to govern his tongue and fingers when he tweets.
That you people again must resort to projection is indicative of the shallowness of your ideology since it is couched in fanaticism in a false messiah.
I was told this was a conservative forum? Was I miss informed?
Yes, it is a Conservative forum, which is why it does not have a majority of members that kiss Trump's ring and posterior as you do. That you would assume a Conservative forum would go lockstep into goose-stepping for a lifelong NY Liberal Democrat with an 'R' after his name showcases your misunderstanding of what actual Conservative principles are.
Since when are conservatives opposed to a mandate of securing the border, reducing illegal immigration, deporting criminal illegals, negotiating better fairer trade deals,
None of that is going to happen aside from kabuki theater. Your false messiah has already walked it all back.
I would think any real conservative would be opposed to continuing Obamas' pro globalist, pro Muslim, anti-American big government policies. But that's just me.
All you did is trade one self-absorbed Egomaniacal Narcissist with dictatorial traits to impose Statism for another, who simply doesn't share the same exact disdain of the country he rules as his predecessor. He simply will reshape it into his monarchy, to your thunderous applause.
Reading your comments leads me to ask, if you are not a "sore loser" than what are you? You certainly sound like a sore loser to me.
And you sound just like the brain-dead drones that worshipped Obama to me. "Sore loser" is what you Trump Militants call Principled Conservatives who refuse to bend the knee to your prince, because we are governed by principles, not cults of personality as you are.
Are you also in favor of doing away with the electoral college? Are you sorry Hillary did not win?
When did you stop beating your spouse and kids?
And no - the EC is necessary and properly put in the Constitution to enable all states to have a voice. Your prince in 2012 called the Electoral College a disaster for a democracy:
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
The only reason he now calls it 'genius' is because it is the reason he beat Hildabeast - even though he lost the popular vote.
Like all Kool-Aid worshippers of cult leaders, you do not even bother to care what your idol has said, done and stands for outside of the few boiler plate sound bites that palpitate your heart in devotion.
But speaking of the Mao Pantsuit, since you asked - it is irrelevant to me which of those two clowns Trump or Hillary sat on the throne in the oval office. The damage to Conservatism was inevitable regardless which of those two despotic twits "won".
I will regard Trump in the same exact manner I regarded Obama, which is the same exact way I would have regarded Hillary.
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When I read your posts, what I read is someone who is a bitter person who has given up and refuses to act against those opposed to this country.
You don't know a damn thing about what I have done, or what am currently doing in regards to standing up for Conservative principles, Christian truth and against sin, the false idolatry of party, the lukewarm imputation of pragmatism and false political saviors.
Throwing myself into seig-heiling a man and politician to high office is not 'acting' against those opposed to the very foundations that this people have rejected. I'm sorry you cannot see the truth through your 'Trump-Will-Save-Us' glasses.
Sad, as with that attitude by many, we will certainly have a rougher time to return this country to what it should be and stop the insanity of liberalism.
You will never return this nation to what it should be. NEVER.
Because the method you are choosing to do it is a guaranteed FAILURE.
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@INVAR
They are NOT conservatives,any more than the creatures from the Bush Crime Family,the McLunatics,Lady Lindsey Graham,or Bob Dolt are conservatives. They are PARTY PEOPLE,who are upset that a outsider came in and destroyed JEB's and the alleged Republican Party's apple cart.
Yes, Party people that now - somehow insist that Trump is the greatest principled Conservative who ever lived.
The Bushes AE NOT, and never were Conservatives in the mold of Reagan. We would agree they are Big Government Establishment oligarchs. I dumped that sad, pathetic excuse for a party and am a proud supporter of the Constitution Party.
Most of them might not realize it themselves because they see the alleged Republican Party as BEING America,but they don't really give a damn about America. What they love is the alleged Republican Party and the globalist drones that run it.
I loathe the GOP more than the Democrats at this point. Just one big happy Statist Oligarchy.
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@sneakypete
Modify is your friend. Kindly keep your responses separate from those you're quoting.
Do you even read what you are typing before you hit post?
ETA: @mystery-ak
I'm no saint, but the profanity needs to cease. It adds nothing to the conversation, other than to provide Trumpbots with an additional syllable.
When you bitch about @Wingnut's and @Frank Cannon risque 'jokes' (btw...I'm not offended by them) and demeanor, get back to me.
Or, is it only because it's coming from a "Trumpbot" that gets your morality bruised?
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And no - the EC is necessary and properly put in the Constitution to enable all states to have a voice. Your prince in 2012 called the Electoral College a disaster for a democracy:
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
The only reason he now calls it 'genius' is because it is the reason he beat Hildabeast - even though he lost the popular vote.
Like all Kool-Aid worshippers of cult leaders, you do not even bother to care what your idol has said, done and stands for outside of the few boiler plate sound bites that palpitate your heart in devotion.
If Trump changed direction this morning, His fans would be chanting for the same by evening.
Dishonest immoral people are easily led like cattle.
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When you bitch about @Wingnut's and @Frank Cannon risque 'jokes' (btw...I'm not offended by them) and demeanor, get back to me.
Or, is it only because it's coming from a "Trumpbot" that gets your morality bruised?
When you get rid of that ridiculous picture of Trump telling Obama to pack his s--t, get back to me.
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Well said @sneakypete Well said. :thumbsup:
Okay, people. What is the use in my having Sneaky on ignore if you persist in quoting his inane comments. Please have some consideration.
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Couriers, when it absolutely, positively has to be there sometime next week.
Can you imagine the cost of all these couriers? There would need to be thousands of them in DC alone not to mention the 10s of thousands more who would need to be traveling all over the world all the time. The couriers themselves would be corruptible by way of blackmail, threats or basic greed. Even if they weren't corruptible they would still be vulnerable to murder and theft of info. Couriers couldn't carry detailed info in their memories because the human memory is far less reliable than the computers.
Its like Trump is a 3rd grader planning his fantasy presidency.
Sometimes Trump slips the leash and reveals his immaturity and ignorance.
It is frightening.
However, I have a list of his appointments so far and I like most of them... some of them I like a lot. With the exception of the odd appointment of Ben Carson they are good picks.
So someone is helping or influencing Trump to make good picks. I hope that person or those people continue to have influence because Trump himself is as mature as a 3 year old and dumb as a post.
I'm still glad he won. Hillary would be worse and keep us going in the wrong direction so far and so fast, we might never recover. In that sense, Trump's election was a turning point... not in human history but in current U.S. history.
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You don't know a damn thing about what I have done, or what am currently doing in regards to standing up for Conservative principles, Christian truth and against sin, the false idolatry of party, the lukewarm imputation of pragmatism and false political saviors.
Throwing myself into seig-heiling a man and politician to high office is not 'acting' against those opposed to the very foundations that this people have rejected. I'm sorry you cannot see the truth through your 'Trump-Will-Save-Us' glasses.
You will never return this nation to what it should be. NEVER.
Because the method you are choosing to do it is a guaranteed FAILURE.
I agree. Read The Harbinger, by a Jewish Christian pastor named Jonathan Cahn. I just finished it, and it is spooky. (I'm glad I sat out the POTUS election.)
@Quix
@Victoria33
@Freya
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Before we hurt ourselves laughing at the ignorance of Trump in this matter, I would remind you that there was a serious thread the other day right here on TBR which opined that technology was responsible for unemployment and that we should all go back to tilling our own land and eating fruits and berries.
It was agreed with by some and taken fairly seriously by most.
Why is Trump's plea for a person on horseback carrying the good news that much different?
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Okay, people. What is the use in my having Sneaky on ignore if you persist in quoting his inane comments. Please have some consideration.
Amen sister!
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I agree. Read The Harbinger, by a Jewish Christian pastor named Jonathan Cahn. I just finished it, and it is spooky. (I'm glad I sat out the POTUS election.)
@Quix
@Victoria33
@Freya
@the_doc I see it's available at my local library. I can reserve it for pick up tomorrow. Thanks for the tip.
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I agree. Read The Harbinger, by a Jewish Christian pastor named Jonathan Cahn. I just finished it, and it is spooky. (I'm glad I sat out the POTUS election.)
I agree with a lot of what Pastor Cahn has offered in terms of Repentance of the nation, and while he and I share a lot of positions in terms of theology - I do not set dates in regards to prophecy outside of watching the signs.
That said, this people do not want to hear the truth. In congregations I speak to in regards to mission work - when this election comes up (as it did last week) - I get lectured from Christians that God has somehow 'anointed' Trump to lead us to a new promised prosperity.
I just sit there bewildered at the abject ignorance of a people who claim Jesus, who claim the bible and yet have lofted all their hope for change upon the shoulders of a man whose fruits God would never use to lead a nation, except into judgment.
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Can you imagine the cost of all these couriers?
Bicycle Pedal-ready jobs! A million courier jobs!
Just gotta ban e-mail.
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When you get rid of that ridiculous picture of Trump telling Obama to pack his s--t, get back to me.
I will.....On January 20th. :patriot:
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Amen sister!
When a person is particularly offensive (as in this case), it's nice to have people not quote the offender.
Should I ever take said offender off Ignore and reply to him, I will try to be considerate enough to not subject others to his ranting.
I should have done so in the past, and apologize for not thinking about others.....
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I agree. Read The Harbinger, by a Jewish Christian pastor named Jonathan Cahn. I just finished it, and it is spooky. (I'm glad I sat out the POTUS election.)
@Quix
@Victoria33
@Freya
@the_doc
You pinged me and it looks like yesterday's and today's comments are the first new year's opportunity for the Trump people and the non-Trump people to throw mud at each other. I won't get into this dog fight as it matters not one bit. Thanks for the mention of "The Harbinger" book, will check that out to find the gist of the story.
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This election is bigger than...
Bigger than when the dinosaurs died and mammals came to dominate Earth
Bigger than when a human used the skull of an enemy as the first tool (to kill some other enemy)
Bigger than when humans learned to communicate with one another in the name of harmony
Bigger than when humans first formed communities (to separate themselves harmoniously from those other people)
Bigger than when humans first drew on the walls of a cave
Bigger than when humans learned to make new paint colors from the bodies of art critics
Bigger than when humans learned to catch fish (tasted so much better than eating the dead ones that washed up on shore)
Bigger than when humans wiped out the competing liberals, I mean Neanderthals
Bigger than when humans first turned animal skins into leather (Bikers without Bikes was born as the first biker gang)
Bigger than when the human males first learned that bathing could attract females instead of bopping them on the head and dragging them to the cave)
Bigger than .....
(i'm tired, lol)
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@sneakypete
You're on a roll this morning! :beer:
@DCPatriot
Thanks!
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Well said @sneakypete Well said. :thumbsup:
@Right_in_Virginia
Thanks!
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Yes, Party people that now - somehow insist that Trump is the greatest principled Conservative who ever lived."
And WHO would that be? Screen names,please!
All *I* see are Party People cretins gnashing their teeth and wetting their panties because their favorite left-wing RINO's didn't win.
"The Bushes AE NOT, and never were Conservatives in the mold of Reagan. We would agree they are Big Government Establishment oligarchs. I dumped that sad, pathetic excuse for a party and am a proud supporter of the Constitution Party."
Good for you! Now that you have done that,it's time to let your words fit your actions. Quit playing the fool.
"I loathe the GOP more than the Democrats at this point. Just one big happy Statist Oligarchy."
I couldn't agree more. I EXPECT the Dims to stab us in the back and to work hard day and night to destroy America,but that's what Dims do and they don't even pretend to be anything BUT Dims. The ones worthy of the anger are the ones you thought were your allies that are now stabbing you in the back. MUCH LIKE YOU ARE DOING WITH TRUMP.
We finally have a outsider in the WH that pisses off both the RNC AND the DNC to the point where they stutter,and all you seem to want to do is throw handfuls of crap at him and whine about what a traitor he is. Despite the FACT that he hasn't even been sworn in yet and neither you,I,nor anyone else can accurately predict what he will do once he is in office.
You have the next 4 years to whine and tear out your hair if he is no better than what he replaced,so why not wait and see what he does before you try to destroy him?
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When you get rid of that ridiculous picture of Trump telling Obama to pack his s--t, get back to me.
@Night Hides Not
Good to see you coming out of the closet and having Bathhouse Barry's back!
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Before we hurt ourselves laughing at the ignorance of Trump in this matter, I would remind you that there was a serious thread the other day right here on TBR which opined that technology was responsible for unemployment and that we should all go back to tilling our own land and eating fruits and berries.
It was agreed with by some and taken fairly seriously by most.
Why is Trump's plea for a person on horseback carrying the good news that much different?
@Emjay
Are you REALLY so out of touch with reality that you think couriers still ride horses?
Seriously?
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When a person is particularly offensive (as in this case), it's nice to have people not quote the offender.
Should I ever take said offender off Ignore and reply to him, I will try to be considerate enough to not subject others to his ranting.
I should have done so in the past, and apologize for not thinking about others.....
@Emjay @musiclady @Wingnut
Maybe you can all get together and form a Viking Kitty Chapter to sic on me? It's clear you all pine for the good old days,back in FR where you could form a clique and go after people you disagree with.
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Sneaky Pete, Native American, Green Beret, an asset to this forum.
If one looks at MusicLady crosseyed, the forum owner will get on their case.
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"Yes, Party people that now - somehow insist that Trump is the greatest principled Conservative who ever lived."
And WHO would that be? Screen names,please!
Take a trip over to TOS, or peruse the discussions at Breitbart or myriad forums that used to be Conservative until they became Trump propaganda outlets that do not tolerate any criticism of their vaunted savior. You might check out the articles by the likes of Larry Klayman and others who now make claims that Trump is a greater Conservative than Reagan.
It's all out there. All you have to do is look.
All *I* see are Party People cretins gnashing their teeth and wetting their panties because their favorite left-wing RINO's didn't win.
Yeah, there's them too. But I think in short order they will be much more appreciative of what Trump does than I will.
Good for you! Now that you have done that,it's time to let your words fit your actions. Quit playing the fool.
I would suggest that the term fool would apply to any self-identifying Conservative that thinks Trump is the second coming of Ronald Reagan. Or that Trump will do anything to actually articulate and advance Conservative principles unless they can be self-serving.
The ones worthy of the anger are the ones you thought were your allies that are now stabbing you in the back. MUCH LIKE YOU ARE DOING WITH TRUMP.
Make no mistake - the GOP is every bit the enemy to the Constitution and COnservative principles that Obama and the Democrats are. But Trump was NEVER an ally of mine, nor was he anything but a lifelong NY Liberal Democrat with a nascent penchant for egotistical self-promotion.
We finally have a outsider in the WH that pisses off both the RNC AND the DNC to the point where they stutter,
I do not consider someone who FUNDED the oligarchy and campaigned for noted Communists like Bill DeBlasio and Chuckie Schmucky Schumer to be be an "outsider" at all.
all you seem to want to do is throw handfuls of crap at him and whine about what a traitor he is.
I haven't called him a traitor yet. Obama and Hildabeast share that distinction in my estimation. But I will throw whatever criticisms I feel like throwing at Trump. It's called free political speech, it's why we have a First Amendment. Its been instructive to read how many Trump folks are now of the opinion that such speech needs to be banned, curtailed, restricted, abolished, regulated or punished of late.
Despite the FACT that he hasn't even been sworn in yet and neither you,I,nor anyone else can accurately predict what he will do once he is in office.
Trump's fruits are not hard to discover. He has had decades of being in the limelight and in celebrity with many, many interviews, articles and opinions he has offered over the years on everything from bedding other men's wives, to how much of a disaster the Electoral College is for a democracy, and advocating it's abolition just a few short years ago.
You have the next 4 years to whine and tear out your hair if he is no better than what he replaced,so why not wait and see what he does before you try to destroy him?
As if I had that kind of power by merely opining on an internet forum.
It will not matter if Trump is a bigger Communist/Fascist than Hillary ever dreamed of being. His vast army of supporters will do for Trump what Obama's drones did for him.
Theres nothing new under the sun except that Trump is now THEIR rod of iron to do THEIR bidding and punishments on those THEY want payback visited upon.
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I just sit there bewildered at the abject ignorance of a people who claim Jesus, who claim the bible and yet have lofted all their hope for change upon the shoulders of a man whose fruits God would never use to lead a nation, except into judgment.
You have now exposed yourself as a fake.
Better read up on the Old Testament some more, as there are some real eye openers for you. There are indeed rulers like Saul who God used to pursue His goals with His Chosen, and yet he gave him deserved judgement.
Your haughtiness in believing you know God better than He knows Himself is going to not serve you well in the next life.
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You will never return this nation to what it should be. NEVER.
Because the method you are choosing to do it is a guaranteed FAILURE.
Wow, then why did you not simply fall on your sword when Obama was elected? Seems you cannot see very far into the future.
Looking for failures prior to them occurring is the definition of pessimism. As I said before, the Old Testament is full of failures, yet guess what happens in the end?
Success.
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Take a trip over to TOS, or peruse the discussions at Breitbart or myriad forums that used to be Conservative until they became Trump propaganda outlets that do not tolerate any criticism of their vaunted savior. You might check out the articles by the likes of Larry Klayman and others who now make claims that Trump is a greater Conservative than Reagan.
It's all out there. All you have to do is look.
@INVAR
Ok,thanks for the precise reply. I never go to any of those places,so I never saw what you describe there. I barely have the time to read threads and post here.
In my defense,I thought you were talking about posters here.
"I would suggest that the term fool would apply to any self-identifying Conservative that thinks Trump is the second coming of Ronald Reagan. Or that Trump will do anything to actually articulate and advance Conservative principles unless they can be self-serving."
Ok,what's wrong with that? Are you going to try to deny even self-serving best-interests actions are not MUCH more than we would have gotten from Bubbette! or the clique of clowns that passes for GOP royalty?
Frankly,I don't care WHAT any presidents motivations are for doing anything that benefits America,as long as American benefits.
"I haven't called him a traitor yet. Obama and Hildabeast share that distinction in my estimation. But I will throw whatever criticisms I feel like throwing at Trump."
Now you are just sounding like a whiny little bitch,who's steamed because your preferred candidate didn't win,so you are going to stamp your little feets and have hissy-fits against the candidate that did win,even though he is still 3 weeks away from being in a position to even answer a phone at the WH?
It's called free political speech, it's why we have a First Amendment. Its been instructive to read how many Trump folks are now of the opinion that such speech needs to be banned, curtailed, restricted, abolished, regulated or punished of late.
You ain't exactly covering yourself in intellectual glory with that "Neener,neener,I can so I will!" crap. Adults are supposed to be mature enough they have REASONS before they go falling back on their rights.
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Wow, then why did you not simply fall on your sword when Obama was elected? Seems you cannot see very far into the future.
Looking for failures prior to them occurring is the definition of pessimism. As I said before, the Old Testament is full of failures, yet guess what happens in the end?
Success.
What success would that be?
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What success would that be?
Trump's election :thud:
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Trump's election :thud:
:silly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETveS23djXM
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Trump's election :thud:
Oh no. That isn't success. That is attainment.
Success depends on how well he fares after I get done crucifying the SOB.
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I agree. Read The Harbinger, by a Jewish Christian pastor named Jonathan Cahn. I just finished it, and it is spooky. (I'm glad I sat out the POTUS election.)
@Quix
@Victoria33
@Freya
Thanks for the ping.
Don't think I want to wade into the political brick bat exchange . . . except maybe to say . . . .
Here's my thread about being cautious re Trump:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,238718.0.html
Certainly dramatic times, . . . increasingly dramatic times . . . are on the near horizon.
I just pray that WW3 is delayed as long as possible.
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@the_doc
You pinged me and it looks like yesterday's and today's comments are the first new year's opportunity for the Trump people and the non-Trump people to throw mud at each other. I won't get into this dog fight as it matters not one bit. Thanks for the mention of "The Harbinger" book, will check that out to find the gist of the story.
I think the Harbinger book has some great Biblical and National insights . . . and I don't think the items are coincidence.
However, some of the projected THEREFORE WHAT'S have not come to pass as many expected.
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Oh no. That isn't success. That is attainment.
Success depends on how well he fares after I get done crucifying the SOB.
@bigheadfred
So,you admit to working hard to try to make sure he fails?
How the HELL does that make any sense? It's the "logic" of a spoiled child.
Do you also shoot the neighbors boy because you THINK he MIGHT rape your poodle?
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Oh no. That isn't success. That is attainment.
Success depends on how well he fares after I get done crucifying the SOB.
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@bigheadfred
So,you admit to working hard to try to make sure he fails?
How the HELL does that make any sense? It's the "logic" of a spoiled child.
Do you also shoot the neighbors boy because you THINK he MIGHT rape your poodle?
Listen. I can say ANYTHING about trump, at any time. Follow him around and sniff his ass all you want. I ain't going to.
@DCPatriot. At trump's age, how much longer does he have to become wise? He's been plenty young and stupid. Been plenty old and stupid.
He is merely another politician. I view ALL politician's in a dim light.
Spoiled child. Young and stupid. Try a little harder gentlemen.
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Sneaky Pete, Native American, Green Beret, an asset to this forum.
If one looks at MusicLady crosseyed, the forum owner will get on their case.
Since you love Sneaky Pete, would you kindly tell him to stop pinging me. I don't read his posts and I have no idea what he's pinging me about.
If I wanted to read his comments I would not have him on ignore.
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Since you love Sneaky Pete, would you kindly tell him to stop pinging me. I don't read his posts and I have no idea what he's pinging me about.
If I wanted to read his comments I would not have him on ignore.
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What success would that be?
Read the New Testament.
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Read the New Testament.
uh huh
trump's twitter account. Got a link?
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You have now exposed yourself as a fake.
Right. Because as a missionary to the third world, I'm a fake.
Better read up on the Old Testament some more, as there are some real eye openers for you. There are indeed rulers like Saul who God used to pursue His goals with His Chosen, and yet he gave him deserved judgement.
Uhmm…… how biblically illiterate are you? God did not raise up Saul because God wanted him to be king. Israel demanded a king, despite the warnings they received about what would occur if they had one ruling them instead of God. They refused to listen, so God gave them Saul - and as scripture tells you - God regretted he made Saul their king, and Israel suffered for their want of a monarchy.
Nothing new under the sun.
Your haughtiness in believing you know God better than He knows Himself is going to not serve you well in the next life.
Often a charge leveled by those who are biblically illiterate with just a passing understanding of scripture or by whose understanding is based on tradition or their own image of what they want God to be. You are not the first and you will not be the last to make such accusations.
Though it is more fun when the Hindu and Muslim leaders do it.
They are not quite as invective as you are.
[/quote]Wow, then why did you not simply fall on your sword when Obama was elected? Seems you cannot see very far into the future.
Rejoice - you are in a majority opinion that believes that a lifelong NY liberal Democrat and his regime are going to restore the former glory to a nation that has little need of God anymore.
Despite what our own history, our Founders and God Himself had to say on the subject.
But don't let me disturb your optimism with my "pessimism".
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uh huh
trump's twitter account. Got a link?
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump
Thank you, sir. :silly:
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Since you love Sneaky Pete, would you kindly tell him to stop pinging me. I don't read his posts and I have no idea what he's pinging me about.
If I wanted to read his comments I would not have him on ignore.
@Emjay
Yeah,and the first time I mentioned you without a ping,you would be screaming bloody murder about me talking about you behind your back.
I know the passive-aggressive game you freepers like to play.
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Since no one's on topic anyway...
Have you seen this? https://www.amazon.com/Strap-Hanger-Memoir-Special-Soldier-ebook/dp/B00UZTLRA8
Not blood 'n guts 'n glory but a personal story with perspective on the Army of his time. I read it back when he had it on a website and thought it interesting.
@sneakypete
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Right. Because as a missionary to the third world, I'm a fake.
Undoubtedly fake. A genuine missionary would never reveal publicly that when working in the third world. Never.
Uhmm…… how biblically illiterate are you? God did not raise up Saul because God wanted him to be king. Israel demanded a king, despite the warnings they received about what would occur if they had one ruling them instead of God. They refused to listen, so God gave them Saul - and as scripture tells you - God regretted he made Saul their king, and Israel suffered for their want of a monarchy.
To remind you what you said
I just sit there bewildered at the abject ignorance of a people who claim Jesus, who claim the bible and yet have lofted all their hope for change upon the shoulders of a man whose fruits God would never use to lead a nation, except into judgment.
You are the one who claimed God would never use someone. How awfully arrogant of you to state what God will or will not do. God indeed used Saul, who He later condemned, to lead the Israelites.
You need to seriously reserve your judgements toward others and of God's purposes, as you are woefully ignorant of what you speak.
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This turning point?
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Undoubtedly fake. A genuine missionary would never reveal publicly that when working in the third world. Never.
Oh really? Care to put your money where your mouth is?
When serving a ministry in the third world, it is necessary to reveal the service I was called to in order to bring the plight of those persecuted and destitute to the attention of the church in the West.
You are the one who claimed God would never use someone. How awfully arrogant of you to state what God will or will not do. God indeed used Saul, who He later condemned, to lead the Israelites.
God takes credit even when idiots choose their own way instead of His, because He is Sovereign. But God never intended His people to choose a king for themselves. Neither then in Ancient Israel or now in this country. It's fascinating to watch a people once again demand a monarch to become their representative because they have no more use for God.
You need to seriously reserve your judgements toward others and of God's purposes, as you are woefully ignorant of what you speak.
Says you. Project much?
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Since no one's on topic anyway...
Have you seen this? https://www.amazon.com/Strap-Hanger-Memoir-Special-Soldier-ebook/dp/B00UZTLRA8
Not blood 'n guts 'n glory but a personal story with perspective on the Army of his time. I read it back when he had it on a website and thought it interesting.
@sneakypete
@endicom
Good book. Well worth the reading for anyone who wonders what life was like in the army back in the 50's,60's,and 70's.
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@endicom
Good book. Well worth the reading for anyone who wonders what life was like in the army back in the 50's,60's,and 70's.
I agree. I was born in 1945 and was in the U.S. Army for the years 1966, 1967 and 1968.
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Oh boy.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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I agree. I was born in 1945 and was in the U.S. Army for the years 1966, 1967 and 1968.
@endicom
I was in the army and was mostly in airborne units from Feb of 1964 to Nov of 1970.
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Oh boy.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
@Chosen Daughter
Ok,what was the "Oh,Boy!" about? I don't have the time or the desire to read all that crap.
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@endicom
I was in the army and was mostly in airborne units from Feb of 1964 to Nov of 1970.
I saw that Valentine wasn't fond of those units but his era was just before yours.
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@Emjay I don't have anyone on ignore, not even @geronl. Ignore is for children ;)
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What @Emjay is wrong with "tilling our own land and eating fruits and berries." This morning I picked and ate a pink gratefruit, tonight I'll pick and eat some oranges. My broccoli, cauliflower and cabbage will be ready soon. And I am already enjoying my garden lettuce. I'll order seeds for the spring garden in a week or two. Hope to start planting in mid Feb or early March depending on the weather.
The only thing I don't like about growing vegies, fruits and berries are the freaking thieves that steal my stuff! I'm thinking about getting a throw down shotgun and loading it with rock salt. Or maybe a short barreled 22 hand gun loaded with sub sonic bullets. I'm thinking using a 357 mag on someone stealing a head of cabbage might be a bit of an over reaction.
Pellet guns are cheap and fun too, hmmm.
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Sneaky Pete, Native American, Green Beret, an asset to this forum.
If one looks at MusicLady crosseyed, the forum owner will get on their case.
@TomSea @sneakypete @musiclady
LOL, I agree with both of your statements.
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@Chosen Daughter
Ok,what was the "Oh,Boy!" about? I don't have the time or the desire to read all that crap.
Ecactly. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a pivotal point in human history.
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Ecactly. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a pivotal point in human history.
@bigheadfred
I wouldn't know. Web sites like facebook and twitter make my head hurt at all the stupidity on display,so I never visit any of them.
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@Emjay I don't have anyone on ignore, not even @geronl. Ignore is for children ;)
Nonsense. Ignore is for sane people who want to stay that way.
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@Emjay I don't have anyone on ignore, not even @geronl. Ignore is for children ;)
I don't agree. The ignore function is for removing the children without reasonable self-control from meaningful discussions.
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Nonsense. Ignore is for sane people who want to stay that way.
@Emjay
It's for drones like Freepers who only want to hear "happy noises" in an echo chamber where "never a disparaging word is heard."
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I don't agree. The ignore function is for removing the children without reasonable self-control from meaningful discussions.
I personally find that ignoring trolls the old school way to be far more satisfying.
I kind of enjoy watching their impotent rage.
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Some years ago, a member was driving me crazy and I put the guy on ignore. That was worse! I could still see he had posted and people quoting him was just as bad. I took him off "ignore" and lived with it.
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I kind of enjoy watching their impotent rage.
I just don't care about them enough to spend even that amount of time on their posts. Nearly all have something to contribute, but some invest so much trash in their posting I gave up wading through the garbage.
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@Emjay
It's for drones like Freepers who only want to hear "happy noises" in an echo chamber where "never a disparaging word is heard."
:beer:
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Nonsense. Ignore is for sane people who want to stay that way.
Steven Crowder said it best. If you don't want to hear someone argument you are a "kitty" not wanting to hear any argument other than your own.
@Emjay
@jpsb
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If one looks at MusicLady crosseyed, the forum owner will get on their case.
She viciously attacks other posters FIRST and when they push back she brings out the victim card...or she makes up things about them or twist what they said. Other have said the same thing other thna me.
@TomSea
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Some years ago, a member was driving me crazy and I put the guy on ignore. That was worse! I could still see he had posted and people quoting him was just as bad. I took him off "ignore" and lived with it.
I leave them on ignore, saves me time when the Trumpkins crawl into their echo chamber to pat themselves on the back, thinking they're "WINNING!" :thud:
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I leave them on ignore, saves me time when the Trumpkins crawl into their echo chamber to pat themselves on the back, thinking they're "WINNING!" :thud:
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Nonsense. Ignore is for sane people who want to stay that way.
There are only a handful of people here who require the Ignore feature, IMO, and more than a thousand who do not.
But life becomes much more pleasant if their posts aren't seen. It has nothing to do with not being able to handle seeing their inanity, but rather, for me, it's a matter of valuing my own time and not wasting it on nonsense.
For the record.......... two of you whom I now have on Ignore have "mentioned" me on this thread. My policy is not even to look at posts from people who have been so nasty that I've needed to block them out, so I have no idea why I was 'pinged'.
The two who have mentioned me on this thread, are among the nastiest.
Ergo, I will not waste my time on either of you, nor retaliate to your insults, regardless of the temptation. (I'm far more articulate and clever than either of you, and always win in a confrontation. ^-^)
So..........if you have insulted or demeaned me with your post, or assaulted my character, tough beans. There are hundreds of people on this forum I gladly have discussions with, even if/when there are strong disagreements.
Just not you two.
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She viciously attacks other posters FIRST and when they push back she brings out the victim card...or she makes up things about them or twist what they said. Other have said the same thing other thna me.
@TomSea
@mirraflake @musiclady
She also starts calling in her "posse" to help her pile on. Her whole personality seems to be based on passive-aggressive behavior. Seems to me she misses high school and the games she played there. The whole Viking Kitty Posse group at FR was composed of these clannish critters. To them,politics is about personality,not policy.
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@DCPatriot
You noticed too,huh? I think it is called "projection".
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There are only a handful of people here who require the Ignore feature, IMO, and more than a thousand who do not.
But life becomes much more pleasant if their posts aren't seen. It has nothing to do with not being able to handle seeing their inanity, but rather, for me, it's a matter of valuing my own time and not wasting it on nonsense.
For the record.......... two of you whom I now have on Ignore have "mentioned" me on this thread. My policy is not even to look at posts from people who have been so nasty that I've needed to block them out, so I have no idea why I was 'pinged'.
The two who have mentioned me on this thread, are among the nastiest.
Ergo, I will not waste my time on either of you, nor retaliate to your insults, regardless of the temptation. (I'm far more articulate and clever than either of you, and always win in a confrontation. ^-^)
So..........if you have insulted or demeaned me with your post, or assaulted my character, tough beans. There are hundreds of people on this forum I gladly have discussions with, even if/when there are strong disagreements.
Just not you two.
Stay safe!
(http://www.girlschase.com/images/moth-to-the-flame.jpg)
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I just don't care about them enough to spend even that amount of time on their posts. Nearly all have something to contribute, but some invest so much trash in their posting I gave up wading through the garbage.
That's it.
It's not the STUPID accusation that we, who use the Ignore feature, desire an echo chamber (how lame is that, anyway??), it's just that we value our time too much to waste it on trash.
Those who are most Ignored on this forum don't have the self-awareness to realize that almost nothing they write is worth reading, so they whine about "safe spaces."
It's a joke. 22222frying pan
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Stay safe!
I'm both safe and happy, and that bugs my accusers most. :patriot:
Makes their seething anger even more intense, and not seeing it makes me smile.
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Ergo, I will not waste my time on either of you, nor retaliate to your insults, regardless of the temptation. (I'm far more articulate and clever than either of you, and always win in a confrontation. ^-^)
@musiclady
Of course you are. You are smart,pretty,and people like you. Honest.
SOME people might conclude you are reading my posts while pretending to ignore me,and then attacking me through indirect posts while pretending to still be ignoring me.
Passive-aggressive professional victim.
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Those who are most Ignored on this forum don't have the self-awareness to realize that almost nothing they write is worth reading, so they whine about "safe spaces."
LMAO. You accuse others of whining about safe spaces when you put people on ignore.
@sneakypete
@TomSea
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@musiclady
Of course you are. You are smart,pretty,and people like you. Honest.
SOME people might conclude you are reading my posts while pretending to ignore me,and then attacking me through indirect posts while pretending to still be ignoring me.
Passive-aggressive professional victim.
I doubt she has me on ignore. Every time I mention her she blast back within 3 minutes. She is the type (harpy) that just has to see what another say about her.
@sneakypete
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Is it possible to discover who has you on ignore? I'm curious to know if I (the nicest and most polite poster) have made any ones ignore list.
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I doubt she has me on ignore. Every time I mention her she blast back within 3 minutes. She is the type (harpy) that just has to see what another say about her.
@sneakypete
@mirraflake
Yup. She LOVES this stuff. It makes her feel important. No way in hell is she ignoring anyone.
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Is it possible to discover who has you on ignore? I'm curious to know if I (the nicest and most polite poster) have made any ones ignore list.
I've thought it would be interesting to be able to see the number members that are ignoring a poster. I think discovering who those members are would lead to problems.
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I've thought it would be interesting to be able to see the number members that are ignoring a poster. I think discovering who those members are would lead to problems.
@thackney
I don't think so. I know I have been on other forums where people would talk about how many people had them on ignore. Maybe those systems just noted how many members had you on ignore without telling you who they were? I never cared enough to look.
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I leave them on ignore, saves me time when the Trumpkins crawl into their echo chamber to pat themselves on the back, thinking they're "WINNING!" :thud:
I give people a chance ... a lot of chances. But when they prove to me they are both ignorant and abusive ... and keep proving it, I put them on ignore.
Both Sneaky Pete and Mirraflake cannot stand it and they keep pinging me. My curiosity is not provoked. I haven't heard a word either of them has said in months.
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Is it possible to discover who has you on ignore? I'm curious to know if I (the nicest and most polite poster) have made any ones ignore list.
That would violate current laws on PII. 22222frying pan
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That would violate current laws on PII.
I'm not in favor of having the info provided, but I don't see how that would violate laws of Personally identifiable information. Providing no information about the member other than the member's chosen public ID seems no different that the ability to mention them in an online post.
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I wish I could put this entire thread on ignore but unfortunately, I made the mistake of posting to it early on when it still had a topic.
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I wish I could put this entire thread on ignore but unfortunately, I made the mistake of posting to it early on when it still had a topic.
I as well wish for that feature.
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I wish I could put this entire thread on ignore but unfortunately, I made the mistake of posting to it early on when it still had a topic.
I'd go with that, because I keep getting pinged to it by people I have on ignore and it's getting tedious.
I DID participate in the actual discussion until a certain Ignoree hijacked it with his Bush crush/fantasies.
That's when the thread went south.
(My apologies for my temporary participation in his trolling).
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Oh really? Care to put your money where your mouth is?
When serving a ministry in the third world, it is necessary to reveal the service I was called to in order to bring the plight of those persecuted and destitute to the attention of the church in the West.
I have a nephew who is a missionary in Ecuador with his wife and kids, they Facebook their mission-trip which is lasting years.
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I have a nephew who is a missionary in Ecuador with his wife and kids, they Facebook their mission-trip which is lasting years.
The person who made that accusation clearly has no experience with missionaries.
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I'd go with that, because I keep getting pinged to it by people I have on ignore and it's getting tedious.
I DID participate in the actual discussion until a certain Ignoree hijacked it with his Bush crush/fantasies.
That's when the thread went south.
(My apologies for my temporary participation in his trolling).
Agreed, I would love to be able to opt out of threads that I've long since lost interest in.
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@musiclady
Of course you are. You are smart,pretty,and people like you. Honest.
You forgot "madly in love". :nono:
^-^ @sneakypete
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Agreed, I would love to be able to opt out of threads that I've long since lost interest in.
It would be a nice feature, which I think most of us would use.
I wonder if it's even possible to do that?
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Agreed, I would love to be able to opt out of threads that I've long since lost interest in.
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Agreed, I would love to be able to opt out of threads that I've long since lost interest in.
I second that emotion.
@Oceander
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@bigheadfred
I wouldn't know. Web sites like facebook and twitter make my head hurt at all the stupidity on display,so I never visit any of them.
You don't have to go to FB and twitter to reaad the stupid shit trump has to say.
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I as well wish for that feature.
Yes. That would be handy.
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Agreed, I would love to be able to opt out of threads that I've long since lost interest in.
LOL! So.....having self-control to not click on it.....too much for you?
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LOL! So.....having self-control to not click on it.....too much for you?
Nah, people start sniping at each other or the thread veres off topic and still shows up in "Show latest rplies" link.
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LOL! So.....having self-control to not click on it.....too much for you?
That, of course, is not the point.
The idea is that some threads go on and on and it would be nice to have the option of not having them pop up after they are yesterday's news.
It has absolutely nothing to do with "self control." It has to do with not having to see threads (like NFL T&A threads for example) come back into your feed, just because you made the mistake of making one comment on them because you happen to like football.
(Just an example. Many more apolitical threads or old threads which might apply).
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Trump has solid support from law enforcement and law abiding citizens, apparently, other than civil types of matters, he has never had problems with the law. It will be good to have a pro-law enforcement chief executive.
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The person who made that accusation clearly has no experience with missionaries.
Obviously.
Like a lot of folks these days, they have preconceived notions of what they feel someone should embody and act like.
Anything outside their imaginations is 'fake', 'false' and 'haughty'.
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Obviously.
Like a lot of folks these days, they have preconceived notions of what they feel someone should embody and act like.
Anything outside their imaginations is 'fake', 'false' and 'haughty'.
Ahhh....the irony. :whistle:
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Obviously.
Like a lot of folks these days, they have preconceived notions of what they feel someone should embody and act like.
Anything outside their imaginations is 'fake', 'false' and 'haughty'.
Exactly.
But there is also an extreme level of ignorance and arrogance coming from a person who says "missionaries don't do this" when it is clear that missionaries DO those things.
There seems to be an epidemic of ignorant arrogance going around these days, eh? :smokin:
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It would be a nice feature, which I think most of us would use.
I wonder if it's even possible to do that?
Maybe the solution is to archive threads whose launch was a week or more prior? People who still
want to comment on those threads can choose to do so without them cluttering more current
news (actual or alleged) and/or opinion.
@mystery-ak
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The person who made that accusation clearly has no experience with missionaries.
So, he doesn't know the position?
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But God never intended His people to choose a king for themselves. Neither then in Ancient Israel or now in this country.
As I recall (no, silly literalists, I wasn't there, I have merely read), God consented to His servant Samuel's entreaty (never mind how
skeptical Samuel actually was) and allowed King Saul. We know how that worked out.
It's fascinating to watch a people once again demand a monarch to become their representative because they have no more use for God.
Sometimes you wish such books as these (yes, the second is the direct followup) had been required reading before people were allowed
to vote:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51BZC%2Bzfo3L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg) (http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/images/false-idol-205.jpg)
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As I recall (no, silly literalists, I wasn't there, I have merely read), God consented to His servant Samuel's entreaty (never mind how
skeptical Samuel actually was) and allowed King Saul. We know how that worked out.
Sometimes you wish such books as these (yes, the second is the direct followup) had been required reading before people were allowed
to vote:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51BZC%2Bzfo3L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg) (http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/images/false-idol-205.jpg)
I saw a pic on Twitter the other day of Trump and Netanyahu together with the caption "God's only son and the leader of his chosen people together at last" :terror:
But its not a cult.
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So, he doesn't know the position?
Has your tongue broken through your cheek?
@Wingnut
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I saw a pic on Twitter the other day of Trump and Netanyahu together with the caption "God's only son and the leader of his chosen people together at last" :terror:
But its not a cult.
Of course it isn't. Benjamin Netanyahu would never consent to cult leadership! ;)
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Has your tongue broken through your cheek?
@Wingnut
Working on it. But not yet! 888high58888
@mirraflake
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Ahhh....the irony. :whistle:
Except if only most of us had fifty years of TV, newspaper, magazine and radio interviews, a reality TV show, news stories and an abundance of Twitter feeds that more than adequately ameliorate any preconceived notions about a lack of character in an individual, your irony would apply.
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Trump is already giving business partners roles in the government, lol.... he thinks he is above ethics
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Except if only most of us had fifty years of TV, newspaper, magazine and radio interviews, a reality TV show, news stories and an abundance of Twitter feeds that more than adequately ameliorate any preconceived notions about a lack of character in an individual, your irony would apply.
You do know most of that was "brand", Made for TV sensationalism, Acting whatever you want to call it.
People who have met Trump say he is totally different, very humble, quiet, respectful etc in real life.
@INVAR
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Trump is already giving business partners roles in the government, lol.... he thinks he is above ethics
Link please
@geronl
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You do know most of that was "brand", Made for TV sensationalism, Acting whatever you want to call it.
People who have met Trump say he is totally different, very humble, quiet, respectful etc in real life.
@INVAR
His fruits do not bear that out.
His public life was not limited to his reality TV show. He was quite the blowhard of opinion on TV, radio, Playboy, and other print media for decades.
How many marriages has he had? How many married women has he bedded and then bragged about publicly? Not to mention his vulgarity that one can easily find on Youtube. M'Fer is such a nice adjective to refer to other Americans that disagree with him.
Sorry. I'm not buying your whitewash when the fruits are plainly available to those willing to recognize them.
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What success would that be?
His ultimate sacrifice to whatever deity he sought to to save him.
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The person who made that accusation clearly has no experience with missionaries.
And you have absolutely no experience in dealing with a son who is serving in that capacity in a war-torn country. Shame on you.
And may God have mercy on your soul/
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His fruits do not bear that out.
His public life was not limited to his reality TV show. He was quite the blowhard of opinion on TV, radio, Playboy, and other print media for decades.
How many marriages has he had? How many married women has he bedded and then bragged about publicly? Not to mention his vulgarity that one can easily find on Youtube. M'Fer is such a nice adjective to refer to other Americans that disagree with him.
Sorry. I'm not buying your whitewash when the fruits are plainly available to those willing to recognize them.
Once again, you are giving your own prejudices in assuming how he governs.
What a wasteful experience in life you are.
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And you have absolutely no experience in dealing with a son who is serving in that capacity in a war-torn country. Shame on you.
And may God have mercy on your soul/
Listen you - I LIVED in the slums of a third world cesspool with persecuted brethren for a year in 2012.
You shame yourself.
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Once again, you are giving your own prejudices in assuming how he governs.
What a wasteful experience in life you are.
You might want to look up, read and meditate on Matthew 7:15-20
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I have a nephew who is a missionary in Ecuador with his wife and kids, they Facebook their mission-trip which is lasting years.
My son would have his and family at risk if he divulged his own presence.
Thanks, geroni. We have been at odds but are aligned here.
@geronl
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Dear Mods---
Isn't it time to move this thread to "General Discussion"?
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So, he doesn't know the position?
No, she does not know of wherein she speaks.
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Exactly.
But there is also an extreme level of ignorance and arrogance coming from a person who says "missionaries don't do this" when it is clear that missionaries DO those things.
There seems to be an epidemic of ignorant arrogance going around these days, eh? :smokin:
Your seeming ignorance is because you do not have any personal situation on these matters?
I happen to have a son who has to live with the threat of his and his family's life with that knowledge.
Shame on you.
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No, she does not know of wherein she speaks.
So...you like it doggie style?
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So...you like it doggie style?
@Night Hides Not
:whistle:
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So...you like it doggie style?
A poor taste at the least.
Welcome on some type of response.
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@Night Hides Not
:whistle:
DC...Turn your head and cough.
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A poor taste at the least.
Welcome on some type of response.
You sir are a humorous bastard.
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You sir are a humorous bastard.
Yes, I am what you dread, a Patriotic/
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You sir are a humorous bastard.
And a believer in God
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You might want to look up, read and meditate on Matthew 7:15-20
Serious reflection by you is in order in 1 Corinthians 15:57
But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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DC...Turn your head and cough.
Damn....your fingers are ice cold. :laugh:
I couldn't care less what you post, @Wingnut
It's to poke the eye of the forum idiot.
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Dear Mods---
Isn't it time to move this thread to "General Discussion"?
When it devolves to God Wars is a good time to lock it.
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Damn....your fingers are ice cold. :laugh:
I couldn't care less what you post, @Wingnut
It's to poke the eye of the forum idiot.
I heard that. :tongue2:
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Hey, Wingnut, while you are at it, feed this thread a PB & V sandwich.
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I heard that. :tongue2:
:laugh:
:beer:
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When it devolves to God Wars is a good time to lock it.
I second that.
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Damn....your fingers are ice cold. :laugh:
I couldn't care less what you post, @Wingnut
It's to poke the eye of the forum idiot.
Yeah but... when you squeeze too tight i yell!
;) luv ya Peace out.
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Yeah but... when you squeeze too tight i yell!
;) luv ya Peace out.
Must have been the Patriotic part of my response.
I get it.
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Serious reflection by you is in order in 1 Corinthians 15:57
But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Damn. The bible thumping douche bag is on an endless loop.
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Damn. The bible thumping douche bag is on an endless loop.
Better be prepared.
There will be be a time when you will be glad we were....
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Your seeming ignorance is because you do not have any personal situation on these matters?
I happen to have a son who has to live with the threat of his and his family's life with that knowledge.
Shame on you.
Then you assume that your son's situation is the same as all others and speak out of turn about things you don't know about.
While your comments on your son's situation may be true, your blanket statement is false.
I don't wish to argue with you, only to urge caution at calling others liars when you haven't got accurate information.
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Then you assume that your son's situation is the same as all others and speak out of turn about things you don't know about.
While your comments on your son's situation may be true, your blanket statement is false.
I don't wish to argue with you, only to urge caution at calling others liars when you haven't got accurate information.
Did I indeed invoke the refrain liar?
Keep it at a cool refrain as I have a personal situation on keeping it cool. You do not have information accurate BTW.
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Did I indeed invoke the refrain liar?
Keep it at a cool refrain as I have a personal situation on keeping it cool. You do not have information accurate BTW.
Prayers for your son's and his family's safety 'over there'.
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Prayers for your son's and his family's safety 'over there'.
TY Sincerely.
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Did I indeed invoke the refrain liar?
Keep it at a cool refrain as I have a personal situation on keeping it cool. You do not have information accurate BTW.
Again, you assume that your son's situation is identical to others. I DO have accurate information about other missionaries, so let's let this end, shall we?
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Did I indeed invoke the refrain liar?
Keep it at a cool refrain as I have a personal situation on keeping it cool. You do not have information accurate BTW.
Neither do you in regards to missionaries living and serving in the Two-Thirds world.
Especially those of us missionaries serving in hostile-to-Christianity areas.
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Better be prepared.
There will be be a time when you will be glad we were....
Promise me you will give me a reach around when the comes. K?
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Again, you assume that your son's situation is identical to others. I DO have accurate information about other missionaries, so let's let this end, shall we?
In no way do I wish to harm others in their mission. I only wish to not harm those who are in harm's way.
Keep it calm.
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Neither do you in regards to missionaries living and serving in the Two-Thirds world.
Especially those of us missionaries serving in hostile-to-Christianity areas.
Never hear of a Two-Thirds world.
You are a revelation to me.
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Promise me you will give me a reach around when the comes. K?
I willl do my best. Most is up to you though.
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I willl do my best. Most is up to you though.
If you can get it up
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If you can get it up
Not sure what that means.
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Never hear of a Two-Thirds world.
You are a revelation to me.
Because you do not know what you are talking about and pretend that you do.
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C'mon guys. We are better than this.
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Because you do not know what you are talking about and pretend that you do.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/INVAR/Mission%20India%202010/6-9-20088-39-03AM-1.jpg)
A genuine reflection on what?
Is that you in the orange cloth?
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Try Viagra like you wife asked you.
I echo @Lando Lincoln
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Sometimes you wish such books as these (yes, the second is the direct followup) had been required reading before people were allowed
to vote:
@EasyAce
How are we going to be able to do that when voters no longer even have to be able to read,write,or even speak English?
Or even prove they are Americans before being allowed to vote?
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I saw a pic on Twitter the other day of Trump and Netanyahu together with the caption "God's only son and the leader of his chosen people together at last" :terror:
But its not a cult.
@Cripplecreek
ALL religions are cults.
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And you have absolutely no experience in dealing with a son who is serving in that capacity in a war-torn country. Shame on you.
And may God have mercy on your soul/
It's interesting that you called for my shame and for God's mercy on my soul, when you have not one iota of information about what my children have or have not done.
FYI, I, as a parent, have had three of my four children live in impoverished/war torn countries, with one "serving in that capacity." (One of the others served two tours in Iraq, one in Psy-Op, another son in Afghanistan. Is that "war torn" enough for you?).
You had better be more guarded in your blanket condemnation when it is you who are ill-informed about any situation other than your own. Stop assuming others are lying, stupid, shameful, or in need of God's mercy because they don't agree with you.
God bless your son.
@IsailedawayfromFR
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And may God have mercy on your soul/
:boring:
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A genuine reflection on what?
Your complete ignorance of the mission field in the third world that you make such grand pronouncements about in terms of what we do or do not do.
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And may God have mercy on your soul/
May @mystery-ak have mercy on all of us for this entire thread.
There's at least a half dozen among us who would be well-served to take a break from TBR, if only for a couple of days. Me? I've got work to do in The Vineyard.
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May @mystery-ak have mercy on all of us for this entire thread.
There's at least a half dozen among us who would be well-served to take a break from TBR, if only for a couple of days. Me? I've got work to do in The Vineyard.
This is the first I've clicked on this thread simply because the title screams "Flame War", and yours was the first post I read. Sounds like staying away was the right move.
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Back On Topic: Anyone who thinks Trump is a pivotal turning point for the positive in human history is not only woefully ignorant about history and human nature itself, but saddled with an acute case of idolatry for a political messiah they have convinced themselves is a savior of the nation.
I cannot think of anything so repugnant given what Conservatism used to stand for and believe in.
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It's time I locked this thread?
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A president who brags about grabbing women by the bleep is a turning point, that is for sure, just not a good one.
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It's time I locked this thread?
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Locking it for a few days so people can calm down