The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Paladin on February 09, 2016, 06:35:47 am
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Dixville Notch, Millsfield and Hart’s Location have spoken.
"Donald Trump, Ted Cruz and John Kasich were the early winners on the Republican side, each receiving a total of nine votes across the three towns. On the other side of the aisle, Bernie Sanders won handily, defeating Hillary Clinton with a vote count of 17 to nine.
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In Dixville Notch, a town of 12, according to the 2010 census, three votes were cast for Kasich and two for Trump.
Sanders received all four on the Democratic side, with Clinton failing to earn one vote.
Cruz won handily, however, in Millsfield, walking away with nine votes. Trump came in second with three, leaving Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina and Rand Paul (even though he dropped out) with one vote each.
Clinton, meanwhile, won Millsfield with two votes.
Hart’s Location was the last of the three towns to report its results.
Kasich took home five votes, Trump four, Christie two and Rubio, Carson and Bush one. 12 votes were cast for Sanders, seven for Clinton and two for Mark Stewart Greenstein (a man who called himself an “IED — increasingly embarrassed Democrat)."
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/09/the-first-votes-of-the-new-hampshire-primary-have-been-cast-heres-who-won-in-midnight-voting/
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(Boston, MA, Feb. 8, 2016) With the New Hampshire primary happening tomorrow, a new Emerson College statewide survey shows Republican Donald Trump poised to win in the Granite State with 31% of likely GOP primary voters. The battle is on for second place, with the next four candidates separated by just 5 percentage points: Jeb Bush (16%), John Kasich (13%), Marco Rubio (12%) and Ted Cruz (11%).
http://media.wix.com/ugd/3bebb2_40ad3c95ef7d40e5bc8470098cbc702f.pdf
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Prediction:
Liberal Kaisch finishes 2nd or 3rd and become the new darling of the GOPe Media machine.
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The most liberal of both parties will rise to the top of the NH Primary. Odd that it doesn't bother Trump supporters that their candidate may be considered along with Kasich as being the most liberal.
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The most liberal of both parties will rise to the top of the NH Primary. Odd that it doesn't bother Trump supporters that their candidate may be considered along with Kasich as being the most liberal.
No because after hearing the usual attack bots screaming in hysteria about Trump for 8 months, people stopped listening long ago.
That the problem with these sort of campaign attack bot postings. The only people who pay attention to them are the people who all already agree with the campaign bot's opinion.
if people are really interested in being effective in politics, rather then just venting, they make arguments for their candidate, instead of spending all their time posting infantile snarks at the other candidates.
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No because after hearing the usual attack bots screaming in hysteria about Trump for 8 months, people stopped listening long ago.
That the problem with these sort of campaign attack bot postings. The only people who pay attention to them are the people who all already agree with the campaign bot's opinion.
if people are really interested in being effective in politics, rather then just venting, they make arguments for their candidate, instead of spending all their time posting infantile snarks at the other candidates.
Exactly. Good post.
The usual inane, childish and mocking graphics of Donald Trump are below the threshold of substantive criticism and are unworthy of my time.
That's the reason I respond to only coherent, factual criticisms of Donald Trump--which I have seen very little of here.
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Turning this into the Live Thread
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3:05 p.m. PT Update: Exit polls (That’s 6:05 PM Eastern)
Donald Trump is overwhelmingly getting the votes of first-time GOP primary voters in New Hampshire, but the percentage of voters who are participating for the first time — 12 — is the same as in 2012
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Who is going to follow this thread? If not many I won't post.
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Watch: NH Woman Tells Kasich If She Wasn’t Voting for Hillary, She Would Vote For Him :chairbang:
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/02/09/watch-nh-woman-tells-kasich-if-she-wasnt-voting-for-hillary-she-would-vote-for-him/
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Who is going to follow this thread? If not many I won't post.
I'm following it flowers, thanks for posting here!
:beer:
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Who is going to follow this thread? If not many I won't post.
I don't have TV, so I have to come either here or Drudge. I'd rather get my updates here. :shrug:
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Watch: NH Woman Tells Kasich If She Wasn’t Voting for Hillary, She Would Vote For Him :chairbang:
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/02/09/watch-nh-woman-tells-kasich-if-she-wasnt-voting-for-hillary-she-would-vote-for-him/
(http://23cv3m1dndsq45j54q3lf5le.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/John-Kasich-on-the-Issues-777x437.jpg)
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Second wave of exit polls have Trump with healthy lead and Kasich, Cruz, and Rubio clumping. #FITN— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) February 9, 2016
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I saw a reporter interviewing people in a NH diner today - people that were still undecided who they were voting for. They asked one lady and she said she was still deciding between Kasich, I think she said Bush - and Bernie Sanders.
They asked her what her most important issues were, and she struggled a bit and finally said, "taxes, and uh, regulations - the regulations they put on businesses".
I'm sitting there thinking - and you are considering Bernie Sanders?
:shrug:
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You should not trust exit polls. But you can read them:
D
Sanders 58
Clinton 42
R
Trump 32
Kasich 16
Cruz 14
Rubio 12
Bush 10
Christie 9— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) February 9, 2016
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/268839-exit-poll-most-nh-voters-decided-in-last-few-days
February 09, 2016, 06:07 pm
Exit poll: Most NH voters decided in last few days
By Harper Neidig
Exit poll results from CNN for the New Hampshire primary show that almost half of all GOP voters decided in the past few days who they would support.
According to the poll, 46 percent of Republicans made up their mind on who to vote for in the last few days. Just 22 percent of Democrats waited that long to decide.
Among GOP voters, about three quarters said they were very worried about the economy, six in ten are very worried about terrorism and nine in ten said they were very dissatisfied with the federal government.
Separately, an ABC News exit poll found that two-thirds of New Hampshire GOP voters supported banning Muslims from entering the United States.
GOP frontrunner Donald Trump, who has led polls in New Hampshire, favors that position.
ABC News Politics
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@ABCPolitics
NEW: 2/3 of New Hampshire GOP voters favor temporarily banning Muslims who are not US citizens from entry, per preliminary exit poll results
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I'm sitting there thinking - and you are considering Bernie Sanders?
:shrug:
it is a hard thing to watch. just like old videos of massive crowds cheering hitler. not a clue.
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Fox News Radio today interviewed a woman who proclaimed to be a *Repub* but was switcing parties to vote for Hillary cause she had the best resume'....lol...sure lady
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If i got a call asking me who i would vote for i will tell them hil.
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My wife and I both voted this afternoon. The polls were crowded, much more so than they were four years ago. It is always a bit difficult to judge turnout, but I think that it is safe to say that NH voters are very engaged this time around.
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does anyone remembe Susan Esterage? she used to be a major talking head at Fox. She said something about exit pols and we never heard from her again.
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My wife and I both voted this afternoon. The polls were crowded, much more so than they were four years ago. It is always a bit difficult to judge turnout, but I think that it is safe to say that NH voters are very engaged this time around.
hopefully that is a good thing. high turnout.
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No because after hearing the usual attack bots screaming in hysteria about Trump for 8 months, people stopped listening long ago.
That the problem with these sort of campaign attack bot postings. The only people who pay attention to them are the people who all already agree with the campaign bot's opinion.
if people are really interested in being effective in politics, rather then just venting, they make arguments for their candidate, instead of spending all their time posting infantile snarks at the other posters.
The irony in this post is so glaring I just had to make one small correction.
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Who is going to follow this thread? If not many I won't post.
We're here, Miss Flowers! :patriot:
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does anyone remembe Susan Esterage? she used to be a major talking head at Fox. She said something about exit pols and we never heard from her again.
It's Susan Estrich....with a voice of a 3 pack a day smoker.
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I saw a reporter interviewing people in a NH diner today - people that were still undecided who they were voting for. They asked one lady and she said she was still deciding between Kasich, I think she said Bush - and Bernie Sanders.
They asked her what her most important issues were, and she struggled a bit and finally said, "taxes, and uh, regulations - the regulations they put on businesses".
I'm sitting there thinking - and you are considering Bernie Sanders?
:shrug:
I talk to people like that. Like a NYC park worker where I run. She talks like a rock-ribbed conservative. Then, out of no where, she says she's thinking of voting for HILLARY!
:huh?:
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RCP Average 2/2 - 2/8 — — 54.5 41.2 Sanders +13.3
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-3351.html
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It's Susan Estrich....with a voice of a 3 pack a day smoker.
yep.....
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David Catanese
Source tells me Cruz’s weekend internal track had Rubio nose-diving 7 points over the weekend in NH, leaving him in 5th.
https://twitter.com/davecatanese/status/697196831588089861
cnn all a flutter about the huge turnout.
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SANDERS 61% CLINTON 32%
CRUZ 24% KASICH 24% TRUMP 24%
Drudge headline
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It's quite possible we could call it a night early...
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I talk to people like that. Like a NYC park worker where I run. She talks like a rock-ribbed conservative. Then, out of no where, she says she's thinking of voting for HILLARY!
:huh?:
huh? is right.
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SANDERS 61% CLINTON 32%
CRUZ 24% KASICH 24% TRUMP 24%
Drudge headline
61 for bern......hil has got to be eating those happy pills they give her and pure shots of vodak at this point!!!
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if she gets hit this hard...i know it is his area.....still she is super grandma they tell us, champion of women, has done everything for all mankind. lol.
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FLASH: MORE THAN 500,000 VOTING.. via drudge.
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Who is going to follow this thread? If not many I won't post.
Just got home.... and following! :beer:
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FLASH: MORE THAN 500,000 VOTING.. via drudge.
Whoa!
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http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/republican/new-hampshire/
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CazwyhUUkAA9wZI.jpg)
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http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/
Democrats
Bernie Sanders 1,076 votes (--)
56.0%
Hillary Clinton 845 votes (-231)
43.9%
Other 2 votes (-1,074)
0.1%
1.3% Precincts Reporting
1,965 Votes
Share Results
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Republicans
Donald Trump 925 votes (--)
53.7%
Jeb Bush 190 votes (-735)
11.0%
Marco Rubio 166 votes (-759)
9.6%
Ted Cruz 164 votes (-761)
9.5%
John Kasich 113 votes (-812)
6.6%
Chris Christie 105 votes (-820)
6.1%
Ben Carson 31 votes (-894)
1.8%
Carly Fiorina 28 votes (-897)
1.6%
Other 1 votes (-924)
0.1%
Jim Gilmore 0 votes (-925)
0.0%
1.3% Precincts Reporting
1,841 Votes
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Republicans
Donald Trump 925 votes (--)
53.7%
Jeb Bush 190 votes (-735)
11.0%
Marco Rubio 166 votes (-759)
9.6%
Ted Cruz 164 votes (-761)
9.5%
John Kasich 113 votes (-812)
6.6%
Chris Christie 105 votes (-820)
6.1%
Ben Carson 31 votes (-894)
1.8%
Carly Fiorina 28 votes (-897)
1.6%
Other 1 votes (-924)
0.1%
Jim Gilmore 0 votes (-925)
0.0%
1.3% Precincts Reporting
1,841 Votes
Where are you finding these numbers? Thx.
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Way, way tighter than I expected on the Republican side.
SANDERS 61% CLINTON 32%
CRUZ 24% KASICH 24% TRUMP 24%
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Where are you finding these numbers? Thx.
Ditto, Drudge had the Republican side tied 24,24,24
Twitter also reporting that (albeit they may be citing Drudge)
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Way, way tighter than I expected on the Republican side.
SANDERS 61% CLINTON 32%
CRUZ 24% KASICH 24% TRUMP 24%
Where's this from?
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Way, way tighter than I expected on the Republican side.
SANDERS 61% CLINTON 32%
CRUZ 24% KASICH 24% TRUMP 24%
Total of votes is 37 - 9 each for those three
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Where's this from?
Last night's voting in those small hamlets
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Ditto, Drudge had the Republican side tied 24,24,24
Twitter also reporting that (albeit they may be citing Drudge)
Go to the source...9 votes each and 10 votes for the rest of the pack. 2 for Bush, 2 for Rubio, 3 for Christie, 1 each for Carson, Fiorina and Paul.
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Where's this from?
Drudge headline.
The NH Secretary of State hasn't started releasing official results yet so I wonder where any sources are getting them now other than those small towns that reported already.
http://sos.nh.gov/2016ElecInfo.aspx
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Does anyone know when they'll start releasing numbers?
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Drudge headline.
The NH Secretary of State hasn't started releasing official results yet so I wonder where any sources are getting them now other than those small towns that reported already.
http://sos.nh.gov/2016ElecInfo.aspx
Thanks.
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Does anyone know when they'll start releasing numbers?
Don't the polls have to close? If so, it may be a while, some of the polling stations have extended time due to the lines.
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30 voting precincts don't close until 8Pm Eastern. No official results will be released until all polls closed!
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I predict Jim Gilmore will surge tonight. I heard through the grapevine from some unreliable sources that 2 or 3 people in a NH bar mentioned him by name this week. That bodes very well.
(http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Jim-Gilmore-pic-620x436.jpg)
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Where are you finding these numbers? Thx.
http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/
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The Liberals will win tonight....
Sanders, and Trump.
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Don Rasmussen
Just now ·
Hilary is down by 18% in NH and already has a delegate lead of 6 to 0. over Sanders. Nationally she is up 391-29. America, I give you the Undemocrats.
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14 min....
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30 voting precincts don't close until 8Pm Eastern. No official results will be released until all polls closed!
Several have even extended closing times by 45 minutes to an hour due to lines.
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Due to the fact that there are precincts that do not close until 8PM we will NOT call either race out of respect to those voters before 8.
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Decision Desk HQ @DecisionDeskHQ 8m8 minutes ago
GILMORE GOT VOTES!!
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http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/
Thanks.
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Wow. I didn't know Gilmore was still in it. :shrug:
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7:30 minutes till results.....i predict many will lose their minds.....
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I predict Jim Gilmore will surge tonight. I heard through the grapevine from some unreliable sources that 2 or 3 people in a NH bar mentioned him by name this week. That bodes very well.
And why wouldn't he do well? He is after all "for America." I don't see any other candidates taking that tough position. :laugh:
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Thanks.
did you see my previous post..?
Due to the fact that there are precincts that do not close until 8PM we will NOT call either race out of respect to those voters before 8.
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Decision Desk HQ @DecisionDeskHQ 8m8 minutes ago
i like these links for results.
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/republican/new-hampshire/
just me though.
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7:30 minutes till results.....i predict many will lose their minds.....
Why should I wait for that? :laugh:
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did you see my previous post..?
Due to the fact that there are precincts that do not close until 8PM we will NOT call either race out of respect to those voters before 8.
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Decision Desk HQ @DecisionDeskHQ 8m8 minutes ago
i like these links for results.
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/republican/new-hampshire/
just me though.
Terrific! Thanks.
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Why should I wait for that? :laugh:
:king:
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cnn Trump and sanders!!! exit poll and actual numbers!!! BOOM!
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#NewHampshirePrimary exit polls.Night of the liberal republican with Trump, Kasich, and Bush doing well.
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CBS has projected Trump the winner.
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Fox calls it as well..Trump/Sanders
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Gawd...Jeb is third..he will act as if he came in first
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Lots of socialists in NH...
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CBS has projected Trump the winner.
Damn! The wine's not even chilled yet! LOL! :laugh:
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Damn! The wine's not even chilled yet! LOL! :laugh:
It's why I'm drinking red. :beer:
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Trump is under performing and Cruz is over performing tonight!
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It's why I'm drinking red. :beer:
Next time, promise! :beer:
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Trump is under performing and Cruz is over performing tonight!
How do you figure?
CBS 8% in
Donald Trump 34% 8,226 0
John Kasich 16% 3,874 0
Jeb Bush 12% 2,833 0
Ted Cruz 11% 2,696 0
Marco Rubio 10% 2,437 0
Chris Christie 8% 1,939 0
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Fox calls it as well..Trump/Sanders
That is probably good news. Now they won't interrupt the Muppets with constant breaking news of lead changes.
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Lots of socialists in NH...
It is not socialist voting for Berni boy, it is smart people who refuse to vote for an unconvicted felon which they all know she is.
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It's why I'm drinking red. :beer:
Started slamming Guinness an hour ago. Switched to Nyquil when the returns came in (I'm not even sick).
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(http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/trump-lion.jpg?w=640)
The journey begins tonight, ladies and gentlemen.
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Bernie is waxing her...if he gets to 60% the Hillary death watch will be on.
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No wonder Walter White hid in New Hampshire. Those people are nuts.
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:laugh: :beer:
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WAwuSK36Gw
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As expected, the leftists in both parties rule the day in NH and vote leftist.
No surprises, but 2, 3, 4, and 5 are knotted up pretty good there.
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Episode II: Revenge of the Rockefeller Republicans
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WAwuSK36Gw
ROFL!! I love you guys! :beer:
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Last night's voting in those small hamlets
Ah....thanks!
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As expected, the leftists in both parties rule the day in NH and vote leftist.
No surprises, but 2, 3, 4, and 5 are knotted up pretty good there.
We're gonna dance tonight before you go home, right? :laugh:
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How do you figure?
CBS 8% in
Donald Trump 34% 8,226 0
John Kasich 16% 3,874 0
Jeb Bush 12% 2,833 0
Ted Cruz 11% 2,696 0
Marco Rubio 10% 2,437 0
Chris Christie 8% 1,939 0
I think it means if Trump doesn't win by 50 points - he still loses. :shrug:
GOPe Hack Sununu: “If Trump Only Wins by 12 Points… He Lost”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/gope-hack-sununu-if-trump-only-wins-by-11-points-he-loses-video/
:pondering:
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Bernie is waxing her...if he gets to 60% the Hillary death watch will be on.
Oh man, oh man, that conjured up a horrible picture! I'm totally traumatized after seeing what I just inadvertently saw.
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Oh man, oh man, that conjured up a horrible picture! I'm totally traumatized after seeing what I just inadvertently saw.
Hide the VODKA!
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Bernie is waxing her...if he gets to 60% the Hillary death watch will be on.
(http://www.desipio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/archer-phrasing.jpg)
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Hide the VODKA!
No, I need vodka after that. :laugh:
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Bernie is waxing her....
I just spit up a little on the literal imagery..... :blank:
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I just spit up a little on the literal imagery..... :blank:
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/48139961.jpg)
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That's funny. Pitiful, but funny. Trump has had this in the bag for a long time.
One thing to remember about NH: Non republicans are choosing the republican candidate. I think that is unfair to the rest of us, but it is what it is.
And the Republican Party continues to tolerate it. Why have they not stripped that state's delegates yet?
Republican primaries should be for Republican voters. The party should have zero tolerance for Democrats meddling in the process.
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And the Republican Party continues to tolerate it. Why have they not stripped that state's delegates yet?
Republican primaries should be for Republican voters. The party should have zero tolerance for Democrats meddling in the process.
Great question. Same thing in Texas: open primaries and lots of room for abusing the vote.
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13 percent reported, Cruz has edged just past Bush into 3rd.
Donald Trump 34% 11,834
John Kasich 16% 5,542
Ted Cruz 12% 4,002
Jeb Bush 12% 3,990
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I just spit up a little on the literal imagery..... :blank:
It's a free birth control method, provided as a service.
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Watch out for the "fixers". There are guys in the shadows who make millions rigging elections. Both parties know them and use them. Joseph Stalin said, "It does not matter who votes, the only thing that matters is who counts the votes."
Watch the fixers, they will fix an adverse result, as we have all seen first hand.
It's not over until it is over.
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YES...Cruz knocks Jeb out of third....hold on Cruz!!
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Congratulations to my Trump supporter friends.
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17 percent reporting, Bernie has moved up to 58-40...Brazilian almost complete.
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Hang tight, everyone. Hillary's on her way to give her concession speech. ^-^
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Congratulations to my Trump supporter friends.
Very nice, Lando.
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YES...Cruz knocks Jeb out of third....hold on Cruz!!
:amen:
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Brazilian almost complete.
(http://img.pandawhale.com/PqGeks-archer-hey-phrasing-gif-wqgd.gif)
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Congratulations to my Trump supporter friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1hcc1QvM2Q
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That's funny. Pitiful, but funny. Trump has had this in the bag for a long time.
One thing to remember about NH: Non republicans are choosing the republican candidate. I think that is unfair to the rest of us, but it is what it is.
Trends have the total vote counts coming in pretty close 50/50 Republican/Democrat right now (the Democrats have a slight edge but they have a higher percentage counted at this time).
Don't think there is much gamesmanship that we can see right now with those splits.
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Bernie's shooting hoops waiting for 9:00 to make his speech. Shooting hoops??!! Isn't he like 100? :wtf!:
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ROFL!! Oh man, oh man, that conjured up a horrible picture! I'm totally traumatized after seeing what I just inadvertently saw.
(http://www.desipio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/archer-phrasing.jpg)
Hide the VODKA!
I love you guys! :beer:
No, I need vodka after that. :laugh:
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Congratulations to my Trump supporter friends.
:thumbsup:
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Congratulations to my Trump supporter friends.
:patriot:
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Congratulations to my Trump supporter friends.
Thank you! :beer:
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As expected, the leftists in both parties rule the day in NH and vote leftist.
We knew Sanders and Trump would win, but the real test if this was a huge Progressive night was where Kasich placed. And that answer is 2nd place.
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One thing is perfectly clear to me at this point and that is that America is sick and dated tired of business as usual in Washington!
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17 percent reporting, Bernie has moved up to 58-40...Brazilian almost complete.
How do you know Sanders isn't waxing Hitlery's feet?
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn156/Safisez/hobbit.jpg)
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:thumbsup:
Thanks, Myst! Love you! :howlin:
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Congratulations to my Trump supporter friends.
Thank you Lando. You're a class act! :beer:
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I also congratulate all my Trump supporting friends! Enjoy it while it lasts!
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I also congratulate all my Trump supporting friends! Enjoy it while it lasts!
Be careful what you wish for .... if the Bush family has anything to do with this, it could be Jebbie! **nononono*
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Be careful what you wish for .... if the Bush family has anything to do with this, it could be Jebbie! **nononono*
I'll sleep well tonight knowing that to be the only thing I need worry about! :beer:
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Never thought I would say this.
Thank you John Kaisch. Thank you for keeping your clown car jamming up the Establishment lane.
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With 21% in, Cruz, Bush, and Rubio are separated by 1.3 pts. Lotta votes left. #fitn
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Never thought I would say this.
Thank you John Kaisch. Thank you for keeping your clown car jamming up the Establishment lane.
:amen:
I'm loving how this is shaping up for my guy right now!
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I'll sleep well tonight knowing that to be the only thing I need worry about! :beer:
^-^
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Oh, look...Hillary's going after the right wing conspiracy. I'm shocked!
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Oh, look...Hillary's going after the right wing conspiracy. I'm shocked!
Nah, just anti white male....
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Oh, look...Hillary's going after the right wing conspiracy. I'm shocked!
Really! I muted the TV when she came out. She sounds much better that way!
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Thank you Hillary! You've reminded me why I'm a "broken glass" Republican. :smokin:
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Really! I muted the TV when she came out. She sounds much better that way!
I've switched to QVC. :laugh:
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Oh, goodie. The socialist is up---fresh from his basketball game. :whistle:
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So straight from Hillary screeching lies to the other old white Marxist.
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So straight from Hillary screeching lies to the other old white Marxist.
Every time Bernie speaks I half expect to hear the words "clear!!" from paramedics running toward him. :shrug:
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Bernie generates the kind of enthusiasm with his followers that Obama used to generate with his. Hillary cannot match this.
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Wow. Graphic says 59-39 Bernie
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Wow. Graphic says 59-39 Bernie
Quite a blowout.
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Bernie just said there is a "crisis facing our country". I forgot. Who has been President for the last 8 years?
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Quite a blowout.
Aw Geez....just got over the waxing! :shrug:
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Wow. Bernie is absolutely Batshit crazy. I never realized he was so far out in left field before this evening.
He scares me. And his supports scare me more.
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Quite a blowout.
(Don't say waxed....don't say waxed, whatever you do, don't say waxed...)
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Aw Geez....just got over the waxing! :shrug:
ROFL! :silly:
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(Don't say waxed....don't say waxed, whatever you do, don't say waxed...)
Okay...promise! :silly:
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Wow. Bernie is absolutely Batshit crazy. I never realized he was so far out in left field before this evening.
He scares me. And his supports scare me more.
Mega dittos!
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Thanks, Myst! Love you! :howlin:
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Bernie just said there is a "crisis facing our country". I forgot. Who has been President for the last 8 years?
I think it's that other socialist by the name of Obama....yeah baby, socialism is the answer.. :whistle:
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I think it's that other socialist by the name of Obama....yeah baby, socialism is the answer.. :whistle:
Bernie's laundry list sounds just like Obama's State of the Union address. :whistle:
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Wow. Bernie...scares me. And his supports scare me more.
Yes, frightening how far we have come down the road to collectivization.
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Weird, but I think he is sincere.
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Aw Geez....just got over the waxing! :shrug:
Did someone say wax?
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Tons and tons of promises without any clue as to how he's going to implement or pay for them. A tax on Wall St speculation? What does that even mean?
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We will all be comrades under Bernie soon, comrade.
(Then we will all be Muslim when they realize no one is guarding the hen house)
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Tons and tons of promises without any clue as to how he's going to implement or pay for them. A tax on Wall St speculation? What does that even mean?
He can't pay for them because the economy is going to collapse even further into true socialism.
The reason drug prices are so high is that every drug company sees what is coming and is getting the dough while the getting is still good.
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Yes, Bernie, you have done extremely well under a political/economic system you wish to destroy. Wouldn't it be a much better thing if you were planning to enhance it further so that others could achieve your success?
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I'm impressed Bernie didn't need respiratory break.
Somebody get the damn hook!
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Wow. Bernie is absolutely Batshit crazy. I never realized he was so far out in left field before this evening.
He scares me. And his supports scare me more.
Glad something was accompanied tonight! And you couldn't be any more right! Bernie Sanders most definitely is bat shit crazy and the fact that so many of our fellow countrymen would even consider voting for him should scare the living hell out of all of us!
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with 45% of vote in, rubio, bush and cruz still very tight.
Bernie and hill, lol not so much
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Cut away from Bush to Trump. Adding insult to injury.
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Prediction: I won't be around to see it, but I'd put money that Ivanka Trump is going to be POTUS someday.
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Donald Trump has an exceptionally attractive family!
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52% of the Republican votes cast today in New Hampshire were for an anti establishment candidate.
Very telling!
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Prediction: I won't be around to see it, but I'd put money that Ivanka Trump is going to be POTUS someday.
She sure puts Chelsea Clinton to shame!
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She sure puts Chelsea Clinton to shame!
Seriously, Alice, putting Chelsea to shame is no great achievement.
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She sure puts Chelsea Clinton to shame!
Trump wouldn't date Chelsea...even if she was his daughter! :thud:
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Hoping Cruz hangs on to 3rd...
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Hoping Cruz hangs on to 3rd...
Yes, me too.
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Hoping Cruz hangs on to 3rd...
Ditto that. Or maybe moves up to 2nd? Hey, I can dream can't I?
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ABC News exit poll: "John Kasich’s Projected Second Place Finish In New Hampshire Explained"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/john-kasichs-projected-place-finish-hampshire-explained/story?id=36823577
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Here's a candidate [Donald Trump] who was mocked and minimized for months, who was dismissed as a sideshow, whose imminent demise was predicted again and again and again, and now he's won this resounding victory in the first primary.
Turns out he was more astute in channeling the public anger and frustration than most members of the political and media establishment.
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Thanks, Myst! Love you! :howlin:
Hey! Dude! Did you intercept my thumbs-up from myst?
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Yes, me too.
He's doing just fine!
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ABC News exit poll: "John Kasich’s Projected Second Place Finish In New Hampshire Explained"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/john-kasichs-projected-place-finish-hampshire-explained/story?id=36823577
He's speaking now.
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Here's a candidate [Donald Trump] who was mocked and minimized for months, who was dismissed as a sideshow, whose imminent demise was predicted again and again and again, and now he's won this resounding victory in the first primary.
Turns out he was more astute in channeling the public anger and frustration than most members of the political and media establishment.
So very true ac. Onward to South Carolina now! :patriot:
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So very true ac. Onward to South Carolina now! :patriot:
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Fox has just announced Christie hasn't done well enough to be in the next Republican debate. How sad.
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Here's a candidate [Donald Trump] who was mocked and minimized for months, who was dismissed as a sideshow, whose imminent demise was predicted again and again and again, and now he's won this resounding victory in the first primary.
Turns out he was more astute in channeling the public anger and frustration than most members of the political and media establishment.
Imagine him as The Nominee...debating Sanders OR Hillary. The DEMS are scared to death of that venue.
There won't be any George Stephanopoulos or Candy Crowley sh*t....that's for sure.
Makes me smile.
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Hey! Dude! Did you intercept my thumbs-up from myst?
I acknowledged your wonderful toast to us with the Elton John tune.
Then I interpreted Myst's thumb's up meaning she was also congratulating us...SINCE SHE'S NOT A TRUMP SUPPORTER?
:beer:
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Imagine him as The Nominee...debating Sanders OR Hillary. The DEMS are scared to death of that venue.
There won't be any George Stephanopoulos or Candy Crowley sh*t....that's for sure.
Makes me smile.
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Imagine him (Donald Trump) as The Nominee...debating Sanders OR Hillary. The DEMS are scared to death of that venue.
There won't be any George Stephanopoulos or Candy Crowley sh*t....that's for sure.
Makes me smile.
With this I will say good night looking forward to happy dreams. ^-^ :seeya:
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Bernie concerns me. He's forcing Hillary far left. If he's doing that leftists, hard leftists have become a huge proportion of the voting public. I'd dare say the left outnumbers conservatives by a wide margin. This is not a good sign. The south will only go so far in correcting that. If that is not corrected, true socialism is our future.
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With this I will say good night looking forward to happy dreams. ^-^ :seeya:
Good night Right_in_Virginia!
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With this I will say good night looking forward to happy dreams. ^-^ :seeya:
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Good night, Right_in_Virginia! :beer:
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Bernie concerns me. He's forcing Hillary far left. If he's doing that leftists, hard leftists have become a huge proportion of the voting public. I'd dare say the left outnumbers conservatives by a wide margin. This is not a good sign. The south will only go so far in correcting that. If that is not corrected, true socialism is our future.
We've certainly got our work cut out for us.
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Fox has just announced Christie hasn't done well enough to be in the next Republican debate. How sad.
Christie, Carly and Carson need to go home.....Jeb is finished too but he still doesn't realize it...
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Christie, Carly and Carson need to go home.....Jeb is finished too but he still doesn't realize it...
The question is......... will he EVER realize it??
Rubio did well in accepting his own problem in the debate with the way the vote turned out today.
Cruz coming up. He DID do better than expected, as Bigun said earlier.
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After Ted I hope we get to hear from Gilmore.
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Good night Right_in_Virginia!
Have a good night, folks. You Trump supporters should enjoy this evening while you can. There's a 100% chance that tomorrow the mudslinging begins again anew.
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Ted Cruz spent $580,000 in New Hampshire while Little Jebbie spent over $360,000,000.
Just sayin!
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Ted Cruz spent $580,000 in New Hampshire while Little Jebbie spent over $360,000,000.
Just sayin!
Remarkable.....on to So Carolina...
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Maybe Trump wasn't bluffing all those other times he talked about running, he was just waiting for American politics to get stupid enough.
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Ted Cruz spent $580,000 in New Hampshire while Little Jebbie spent over $360,000,000.
Just sayin!
Uh no. Not 360 million. 36 million.
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Remarkable.....on to So Carolina...
Jebbie spent 36 million not 360 million. I hate this damned tablet!
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Have a good night, folks. You Trump supporters should enjoy this evening while you can. There's a 100% chance that tomorrow the mudslinging begins again anew.
Good night ac - let's rest up - we're going to need it! :laugh:
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Uh no. Not 360 million. 36 million.
It was a typo Sink. Still Jebbie spent 63 times the money Ted did and still got nowhere!
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He did win with 34 % 66% voted for someone else. I do not consider that resounding. Sanders with 59 % is resounding.
Sanders was only running against one other person.
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Christie going home to NJ......
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Sanders was only running against one other person.
I'm saving all the cold water for a later date. Enjoy the win!
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He did win with 34 % 66% voted for someone else. I do not consider that resounding. Sanders with 59 % is resounding.
I think there were nine or 10 candidates on the GOP slate. How many were on the democratic slate?
Two.
Trump enjoyed a well-deserved, resounding victory.
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Christie going home to NJ......
Good! Let's hope he stays there!
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He did win with 34 % 66% voted for someone else. I do not consider that resounding. Sanders with 59 % is resounding.
And 84% voted for someone other than Kasich, 89% for someone other than Bush, 90% for someone other than Rubio, etc., etc.
Your point being?
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Just saw a clip of Bernie Sanders playing basketball with some of his supporters - he's WAY better than Obama!
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I'm saving all the cold water for a later date. Enjoy the win!
Thanks Bigun.
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Jebbie spent roughly $1200 per vote vs Ted's $18
. Wow!
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He did win with 34 % 66% voted for someone else. I do not consider that resounding. Sanders with 59 % is resounding.
Sanders getting 59% in a field of Two is a resounding victory.
Trump getting 34% among a field of Eight is a resounding victory.
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So, how do they do delegates in New Hampshire? Is it winner take all or are they split?
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Jebbie spent 36 million not 360 million. I hate this damned tablet!
I know - and spelling autocorrect can give me fits.
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Just announced that Chris Christie is going home to New Jersey to contemplate his navel.
If he can find it.
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I stated my point. The point was it was not resounding.
In comparison?
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I know - and spelling autocorrect can give me fits.
The damned thing has a mind of its own and it drives me NUTS! Grrrrrrrrr!
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Just announced that Chris Christie is going home to New Jersey to contemplate his navel.
If he can find it.
Christie wounded Rubio and killed his own candidacy with his Saturday performance.
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So, how do they do delegates in New Hampshire? Is it winner take all or are they split?
There can be no winner take all prior to March 15 per Republican Party rules.
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Bernie 61% Hillary 39. as the "Waxing" continues.... Hill will be hairless.
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And 84% voted for someone other than Kasich, 89% for someone other than Bush, 90% for someone other than Rubio, etc., etc.
Your point being?
There's 45% plus of "establishment" votes being divided among four "establishment" candidates. As that field dwindles, whoever is still standing will pick up some serious support.
Cruz can't expect to run against the"establishment" and get the residual "establishment" vote as "establishment" candidates fall out, so "establishment" votes won't go there, and the "establishment" doesn't want Trump, so they're not going there either.
The "establishment" candidates are playing a long game.
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Bernie 61% Hillary 39. as the "Waxing" continues.... Hill will be hairless.
The longer this night wears on, the more like a hairless chihuahua she becomes.
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There can be no winner take all prior to March 15 per Republican Party rules.
Thanks, I didn't know that.
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Christie wounded Rubio and killed his own candidacy with his Saturday performance.
His supporters will shore up the "establishment" candidates.
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Maybe Trump wasn't bluffing all those other times he talked about running, he was just waiting for American politics to get stupid enough.
A point that I had not previously considered, but definitely a possibility.
With Sanders and Trump winning in NH, things have gotten about as stupid as they can get and still have a shred of a country left.
If either of them wins in November, we're done.
Kaput.
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You can turn off autocorrect on phones/tablets. It's different for each maker, but a google search will find the way if you put in the maker of the tablet and "turn off autocorrect".
Thank you! I win find it and turn it off in the morning . It's a Samsung android!
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Congrats to the Trump people. They worked for and earned it.
Question: with 4 electoral votes up for grabs, it looks very significant that Trump's huge win netted him about the same number of actual votes as Hillary's significant loss. So....doesn't that look like a pretty clear prediction the state will go Dem?
I still say the whole primary system is messed up and needs to be completely redone.
Thanks Rat Patrol!
We've all been saying the primary system is a mess for years now, doesn't look like they want to change it.
**nononono*
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Congrats to the Trump people. They worked for and earned it.
Question: with 4 electoral votes up for grabs, it looks very significant that Trump's huge win netted him about the same number of actual votes as Hillary's significant loss. So....doesn't that look like a pretty clear prediction the state will go Dem?
I still say the whole primary system is messed up and needs to be completely redone.
No, it doesn't mean that, total Republican and Democrat votes were very equal - the Republicans look to be a bit more than 10,000 ahead of Democrats as of now. The state will be contested depending on who the candidates end up being.
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I still say the whole primary system is messed up and needs to be completely redone.
Closed Primaries and no day of election registrations would go a long way.
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Jeb is tightening up to Cruz just a little bit now at 72% counted.
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Jeb is tightening up to Cruz just a little bit now at 72% counted.
Well for 63 times the money he should get something!
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In comparison?
Sanders wins by 22% over the only other person in the race
Trump wins by185 in a field of eight and crushing the next two (almost next 3) together. no matter how you cut it, it's a resounding victory
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Closed Primaries and no day of election registrations would go a long way.
:amen:
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Well for 63 times the money he should get something!
At 73% however, Cruz has that bit of breathing room back (that 150 votes he lost in the last report he got back)!
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Interesting results ( at 76% reporting).
"Establishment" - 46%
Trump - 34.5%
Cruz - 11.5%
So in essence, "Establishment" 46%, outsiders 46%.
If the real battle here is outsiders v. "the establishment", then that's the only way you can view the vote.
Trump and Cruz may be both outsiders, but they don't appeal to the same voters.
It's a long game.
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Amazing that on CNN right now Cruz, Jeb, and Rubio all at 11% (with rounding). Just under 2,000 separate the three of them... razor thin.
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Interesting results ( at 76% reporting).
"Establishment" - 46%
Trump - 34.5%
Cruz - 11.5%
So in essence, "Establishment" 46%, outsiders 46%.
If the real battle here is outsiders v. "the establishment", then that's the only way you can view the vote.
Trump and Cruz may be both outsiders, but they don't appeal to the same voters.
It's a long game.
You forgot Carson and Fiorina which brings the anti vote up to 52% if I'm not
Mistaken.
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You forgot Carson and Fiorina which brings the anti vote up to 52% if I'm not
Mistaken.
Fiorina endorses an establishment candidate and I have a suspicion that so will Carson.
They're auditioning for cabinet posts.
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You forgot Carson and Fiorina which brings the anti vote up to 52% if I'm not
Mistaken.
Carson and Fiorina are anti?
Hardly.
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Carson and Fiorina are anti?
Hardly.
(Let him have his fantasy...)
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Carson and Fiorina are anti?
Hardly.
Have you heard a word either of them has said? **nononono*
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Because they are showing % of precincts instead of % of votes it's impossible to make mathmatical calculations re possible changes for third place. Have to wait until the fat lady is singing
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Have you heard a word either of them has said? **nononono*
Yes. And neither of them will support Cruz or Trump.
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Yes. And neither of them will support Cruz or Trump.
God has spoken.
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God has spoken.
I'll bet on it.
Wanna bet?
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God has spoken.
I'll send someone by with a collection plate.
Be generous.
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God has spoken.
I seem to recall they all took the same pledge to support the nominee, no?
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Carson just today said he is open to being Trump's VP.
Carly I do not know. She seems to me as the type that will support whoever the nominee is no matter what. She may fit in neither group.
WHen they drop out, who will they support?
Not Trump or Cruz. I'm wiling to bet on it.
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I'll bet on it.
Wanna bet?
I have no idea what they'll do, don't sit in on the "counsels" and have no idea of anything related to them except that Trump and Carson have said they are friendly with each other, which I certainly wouldn't credit as something decisive.
My point is that you don't know any more than the rest of us do...you just act like it. Did you get your bluster training at the School of Trump?
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Carson just today said he is open to being Trump's VP.
Carly I do not know. She seems to me as the type that will support whoever the nominee is no matter what. She may fit in neither group.
I have for sworn pouring any cold water tonight and I won't but tomorrow isnt far off!
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I seem to recall they all took the same pledge to support the nominee, no?
First debate....raise your hand... Of course Carly wasn't there but I doubt she would not support the nominee. Whether or not she actually votes...that's another question
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I have no idea what they'll do, don't sit in on the "counsels" and have no idea of anything related to them except that Trump and Carson have said they are friendly with each other, which I certainly wouldn't credit as something decisive.
My point is that you don't know any more than the rest of us do...you just act like it. Did you get your bluster training at the School of Trump?
Pretty sure FIorina despises Trump and likely Cruz.
Carson is a hanger-on, desperate for any kind of attention right now. Not sure it matters who he supports.
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First debate....raise your hand... Of course Carly wasn't there but I doubt she would not support the nominee. Whether or not she actually votes...that's another question
Who they endorse after they drop out of the race and whether or not they will support the eventual nominee are unrelated topics.
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I'll send someone by with a collection plate.
Be generous.
Or send the communion plate just to be safe. :shrug:
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Carson just today said he is open to being Trump's VP.
Carly I do not know. She seems to me as the type that will support whoever the nominee is no matter what. She may fit in neither group.
Iin other words,neither will ever speak to the president,if elected.
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Carson and Cruz are meeting privately on Thursday. What do you suppose they will discuss? And go ahead and discount the value of a Carson endorsement if it pleases you.
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Amusing how the anti-Trumpsters are saying anything that comes into their heads in order to diminish Trump's resounding victory today.
Sorry, lads, not working, except of course to expose all of you as spoil sports.
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Pretty sure FIorina despises Trump and likely Cruz.
Carson is a hanger-on, desperate for any kind of attention right now. Not sure it matters who he supports.
All but one of the women in my extended family detest both Cruz and Trump.
They're divided on who to support, but pretty dammed united on that.
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Who they endorse after they drop out of the race and whether or not they will support the eventual nominee are unrelated topics.
Yes, thank you. I understand that. The comments were re who they will support. In the end they all support the nominee. During the primaries, who they endorse is, as you pointed out, altogether different
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Amusing how the anti-Trumpsters are saying anything that comes into their heads in order to diminish Trump's resounding victory today.
Sorry, lads, not working, except of course to expose all of you as spoil sports.
You're "Trumpsters"?
How friggin' cute is that?!
Is there a ring and a secret handshake too?
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All but one of the women in my extended family detest both Cruz and Trump.
They're divided on who to support, but pretty dammed united on that.
When you look at the breakdown of the vote, all ages, both sexes, all races, all economic groups and all levels of education went for trump in NH. That's pretty remarkable.
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When you look at the breakdown of the vote, all ages, both sexes, all races, all economic groups and all levels of education went for trump in NH. That's pretty remarkable.
I don't have any relatives in New Hampshire.
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When you look at the breakdown of the vote, all ages, both sexes, all races, all economic groups and all levels of education went for trump in NH. That's pretty remarkable.
Indeed! But how many states are there like New Hampshire?
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Indeed! But how many states are there like New Hampshire?
Yes, therein lies the whole rub. NH is a very homogeneous state. SC will be a different game
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You're "Trumpsters"?
How friggin' cute is that?!
Is there a ring and a secret handshake too?
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Is there a ring and a secret handshake too?
Hi. I'm Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman. Damn glad to meet you.
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Just remember it is the job of the other campaign teams to try and make the best of their position. I was hoping for 2nd but will be happy if Cruz ends with 3rd. That's a very good night for him considering. Well, good enough anyway.
But this is your night. Enjoy it.
Cruz was shooting for a third in Iowa, 2nd in NH and a win in SC to build mo for super tuesday. He exceeded his goal in Iowa, came up a little short in NH. He has been trending upward in SC but so has trump. As it is right now trump is solid in 1st and cruz looks secure in second. We shall see if cruz can gain on him.
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Congratulations to you and the other Trump supporters. It is great to win. Enjoy it for as long as you can. Trump and team worked very hard in NH and the results show it.
Rat Patrol that is very gracious of you. How I wish your ideological compatriots would show such maturity.
That said, I am not exactly a Trump supporter. I would much prefer a principled Conservative like Cruz. However, as I have tried to make clear time and again, I am deeply offended by the constant venomous attacks here on Trump, and I respond accordingly. I think it much of it diminishes the quality of what is an otherwise excellent discussion site, and quite often reduces us to the level of Daily Kos.
You and BigUn, otoh, have shown you can rise above the childish acerbity of the few on here, and for that I thank you.
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Rat Patrol that is very gracious of you. How I wish your ideological compatriots would show such maturity.
That said, I am not exactly a Trump supporter. I would much prefer a principled Conservative like Cruz. However, as I have tried to make clear time and again, I am deeply offended by the constant venomous attacks here on Trump, and I respond accordingly. I think it much of it diminishes the quality of what is an otherwise excellent discussion site, and quite often reduces us to the level of Daily Kos.
You and BigUn, otoh, have shown you can rise above the childish acerbity of the few on here, and for that I thank you.
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Amusing how the anti-Trumpsters are saying anything that comes into their heads in order to diminish Trump's resounding victory today.
Sorry, lads, not working, except of course to expose all of you as spoil sports.
Some do, some don't. Some are, some aren't.
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Carson just today said he is open to being Trump's VP.
Carly I do not know. She seems to me as the type that will support whoever the nominee is no matter what. She may fit in neither group.
Carson will likely throw his support to Trump, since the two of them have developed a close friendship.
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When you look at the breakdown of the vote, all ages, both sexes, all races, all economic groups and all levels of education went for trump in NH. That's pretty remarkable.
Yes, very good seeing the demographic breakdown. Especially satisfying are the young Trump voters.
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Interesting results ( at 76% reporting).
"Establishment" - 46%
Trump - 34.5%
Cruz - 11.5%
So in essence, "Establishment" 46%, outsiders 46%.
If the real battle here is outsiders v. "the establishment", then that's the only way you can view the vote.
Trump and Cruz may be both outsiders, but they don't appeal to the same voters.
It's a long game.
Indeed. Keep in mind one other thing, though: New Hampshire is probably the most Establishment-friendly state on the early swing. I would not at all be surprised if this is a high-water mark for them.
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Indeed. Keep in mind one other thing, though: New Hampshire is probably the most Establishment-friendly state on the early swing. I would not at all be surprised if this is a high-water mark for them.
And speaking of high water marks, Trump needs to keep as many people in the race for as long as he can because when it gets down to just two or three he's finished.
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Congratulations to Trump and Trump supporters - you've won the first round.
But as Luis says, it's a long road, and Trump can't win the nomination, let alone the general election, unless he can gain support from folks beyond his hard core of Perot/Wallace populists. Nearly half of New Hampshire voters made up their minds in the days before the election, and it appears almost none of them went for Trump. Trump's oxygen remains because his opposition is splintered. As Bigun says, when the field is narrowed to two or three, Trump will be defeated.
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Congratulations to Trump and Trump supporters - you've won the first round.
But as Luis says, it's a long road, and Trump can't win the nomination, let alone the general election, unless he can gain support from folks beyond his hard core of Perot/Wallace populists. Nearly half of New Hampshire voters made up their minds in the days before the election, and it appears almost none of them went for Trump. Trump's oxygen remains because his opposition is splintered. As Bigun says, when the field is narrowed to two or three, Trump will be defeated.
It is going to be interesting to see where the "dropouts" support ends up... I am sure Trump will get his share tho...
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Closed Primaries and no day of election registrations would go a long way.
Yes, it would. Might be why they don't do it.
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Congratulations to Trump and Trump supporters - you've won the first round.
But as Luis says, it's a long road, and Trump can't win the nomination, let alone the general election, unless he can gain support from folks beyond his hard core of Perot/Wallace populists. Nearly half of New Hampshire voters made up their minds in the days before the election, and it appears almost none of them went for Trump. Trump's oxygen remains because his opposition is splintered. As Bigun says, when the field is narrowed to two or three, Trump will be defeated.
Actually, the second round. Cruz won the first.
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We have been asking over the last several weeks, Why is Bush still in the race? Why are people still giving him money?
I guess now we know. You can 'buy' votes. If you have enough millions to do it.
If I wanted to be elected as 'Dog Catcher', I suppose I could do it. If I had enough money to buy each vote for $1200.
The opposite reality is, everyone say Trump is the 'money candidate'. Wrong.
Jeb Bush is the deep pockets money candidate. And it is not his money he is spending. He is spending the money of his controllers/masters.
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We have been asking over the last several weeks, Why is Bush still in the race? Why are people still giving him money?
I guess now we know. You can 'buy' votes. If you have enough millions to do it.
If I wanted to be elected as 'Dog Catcher', I suppose I could do it. If I had enough money to buy each vote for $1200.
The opposite reality is, everyone say Trump is the 'money candidate'. Wrong.
Jeb Bush is the deep pockets money candidate. And it is not his money he is spending. He is spending the money of his controllers/masters.
Little Jebbie spent $36 million in New Hampshire for exactly ZERO delegates!
The establishment REALLY REALLY wants little Jebbie!
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Little Jebbie spent $36 million in New Hampshire for exactly ZERO delegates!
The establishment REALLY REALLY wants little Jebbie!
Yes, they do. That is why I have been saying for months, no matter how Jeb is polling (or slowly accumulating delegates now), it is unrealistic to expect him to "drop out" before the Convention. Jeb, or a reasonable facsimile, is the desired nominee.
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And speaking of high water marks, Trump needs to keep as many people in the race for as long as he can because when it gets down to just two or three he's finished.
I agree. Cruz will eat him up if he gets him one on one and he has been very smart about building his ground game for the long haul
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Yes, they do. That is why I have been saying for months, no matter how Jeb is polling (or slowly accumulating delegates now), it is unrealistic to expect him to "drop out" before the Convention. Jeb, or a reasonable facsimile, is the desired nominee.
And the good news is that it ain't working!
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And the good news is that it ain't working!
I will wait until July 21, 2016 (or a day or two later?) to make that judgment! :whistle:
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Yes, they do. That is why I have been saying for months, no matter how Jeb is polling (or slowly accumulating delegates now), it is unrealistic to expect him to "drop out" before the Convention. Jeb, or a reasonable facsimile, is the desired nominee.
With his poor showings his money will begin to dry up and his campaign is at risk of imploding. If he goes into the convention very weakened against a candidate with a lot of support and momentum it will be hard for the party to pull it off. It's looking less and less likely.
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That's mean bigun... but funny
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With his poor showings his money will begin to dry up and his campaign is at risk of imploding. If he goes into the convention very weakened against a candidate with a lot of support and momentum it will be hard for the party to pull it off. It's looking less and less likely.
Absolutely. Those mega-buck donors don't donate because of the political purity of their hearts and their firm beliefs of what is best for America. They see their donates as INVESTMENTS,and they damn sure expect a return on the money they invest. If JEB does as badly in SC as he has in Iowa and NH,he's toast. Chances are those big investors will be talking behind the scenes to Clinton's people to see what they will be offered if they support her. Assuming of course they aren't already doing this.
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With his poor showings his money will begin to dry up and his campaign is at risk of imploding. If he goes into the convention very weakened against a candidate with a lot of support and momentum it will be hard for the party to pull it off. It's looking less and less likely.
We shall see!
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That's mean bigun... but funny
You can never be too mean to anyone named Bush.
BTW,the talking heads on NBC news this morning were talking about hos Barbara Bush 2,one of Boy Jorge's daughters was supporting Mrs Bubba.
I see that as a double-edged sword that cuts through the "conservative" facade the Bush Crime Family hides behind,and shows them to be the lying posers they are.
Gee,I wonder if Bubbette!'s campaign would make any use of that if it ended up being her versus JEB?
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I agree. Cruz will eat him up if he gets him one on one and he has been very smart about building his ground game for the long haul
I agree with all. Trump may be every single thing that everyone says about him.
But he is a tactician. And he knows what he is doing.
Put all the rube Ivy League educated political consultants up against Trump, (as they already are) and Trump will be the person teaching the class in how to Win.
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Chris Christie won't even qualify for the GOP debate Saturday night after this poor showing in NH.
Christie and Trump had a long conversation last night. Wonder what that was about? Probably mending fences. Trump has a lot of business in New Jersey, I'm sure he wants to maintain friendly relations with the governor.
Anyway, look for Christie to suspend his campaign sometime today or tomorrow and his supporters pledged to Trump.
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I agree. Cruz will eat him up if he gets him one on one and he has been very smart about building his ground game for the long haul
Don't be surprised if Trump came out the winner in a one-on-one with Cruz. But, I suspect we will never get the chance to know the outcome of that hypothetical.
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Don't be surprised if Trump came out the winner in a one-on-one with Cruz. But, I suspect we will never get the chance to know the outcome of that hypothetical.
I agree! Trump won't make it that far!
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Don't be surprised if Trump came out the winner in a one-on-one with Cruz. But, I suspect we will never get the chance to know the outcome of that hypothetical.
I'd be VERY surprised. Trump doesn't debate anyone. He doesn't know how. All he knows how to do is get mad and start hurling insults without EVER addressing the question. In a 1 on 1 situation where the mediators can't bail him out by letting someone else speak,Trump will get spanked like a rented mule.
The reality is that emotionally Trump is a spoiled 12 year old Trust Fund Kid that lives in his own narrow little world of "Donalddom".
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It is my opinion, and only my opinion, that you are all in for a surprise. Things that you never expected to happen do happen, once in a while.
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Little Jebbie spent $36 million in New Hampshire for exactly ZERO delegates!
The establishment REALLY REALLY wants little Jebbie!
Well, the "establishment" and people who decide on who to vote for based on a resume and not on fiery speeches and braggadocio.
Florida added more than 1.3 million jobs while he was in office.
Florida's unemployment rate was a full point below the national average.
Bush reduced taxes by $19 billion doing things like offering consumer tax holidays, and cutting investors taxes
Bush reduced the size of the state government by privatizing foster care, adoption services, legal representation for death row prisoners, human resources, state purchasing, and state parks. All told he moved 13,000 positions off of the state payroll — more than 10 percent of the government in Florida.
Florida's economy grew by an average of 7.2 percent under Bush, while the U.S. grew by 5 percent during the same period.
Under his direction, the State went from $1.9 billion to $9.8 billion in cash reserves.
Florida received AAA credit rating for the time under Bush.
Bush governed as a solid pro-life Governor, being the first in the nation to push through "Choose Life" State license plates with a portion of the fees ging to assist pregnant women. Jeb led the fight to keep Terri Schiavo alive.
Bush opened the nation's first faith-based prison.
He ended affirmative action for State workers, State contractors and University admissions.
He established Florida's first state-wide voucher program, expanded charter schools, and instituted standardized testing. Kids
Bush moved Medicaid recipients to private managed-care plans, reducing the costs to taxpayers.
Bush signed the nation's FIRST "stand your ground" law. His NRA lifetime rating is A+
Nine hurricanes slammed into Florida during Bush's terms as governor. Eight of them is a 14-month period of time. Even his harshest critics praise his ability to take charge and manage a State through an emergency.
He left office with a 64% approval rating.
Now, you may want to hand the job of POTUS to a guy who argues well, but has zero Executive experience, or to a guy with lots of showmanship who's biggest qualification appears to be that he's made (and lost) lots of money, and that is your choice to make, but some people would rather support a candidate based on real and measurable on-the-job accomplishments than on speeches and vague promises of how things will be.
Jeb Bush is pro life. In words and in actions.
Jeb Bush is pro 2nd Amendment. In words and in actions.
Jeb Bush believes in smaller government. He made government smaller while in office.
Jeb Bush battled the Teacher's Unions and beat them.
Jeb Bush helped create jobs and increase wealth through tax cuts.
Jeb Bush is a pro-life, pro Second Amendment fiscal conservative.
He governed that way.
But I guess that being a pro-life, pro Second Amendment fiscal conservative who believes in reducing the size and scope of government no longer qualifies someone as a conservative.
Go figure.
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If it comes down to a Trump vs Cruz battle, we win either way in my opinion....
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Don't be surprised if Trump came out the winner in a one-on-one with Cruz. But, I suspect we will never get the chance to know the outcome of that hypothetical.
On further reflection I think you're right. Trump has shown it would be a huge mistake to underestimate him. I would expect cruz to win a one on one but nothing would surprise me. We'll all see soon enough where it ends up
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If it comes down to a Trump vs Cruz battle, we win either way in my opinion....
I was thinking that if either one gets the nomination and kasich continues to show some support they may choose him as a running mate. The lure of a red ohio will be compelling
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But I guess that being a pro-life, pro Second Amendment fiscal conservative who believes in reducing the size and scope of government no longer qualifies someone as a conservative.
No, it doesn't count for anything anymore - unless you wrap it in rhetoric preaching fear of foreigners and brown people.
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I was thinking that if either one gets the nomination and kasich continues to show some support they may choose him as a running mate. The lure of a red ohio will be compelling
I concur! Said the same thing to my wife last night.
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No, it doesn't count for anything anymore - unless you wrap it in rhetoric preaching fear of foreigners and brown people.
The left is always pushing that racism meme on republicans concerned about middle class wage stagnation because of open borders, uncontrolled immigration (and also Islamic terrorism).
It's insulting coming from them, too.
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The left is always pushing that racism meme on republicans concerned about middle class wage stagnation because of open borders, uncontrolled immigration (and also Islamic terrorism).
It's insulting coming from them, too.
That's the point. They mean to insult us. Even when one of them tries to build a rational case for their man, at the end, an insult is inserted because they just can't help themselves.
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The left is always pushing that racism meme on republicans concerned about middle class wage stagnation because of open borders, uncontrolled immigration (and also Islamic terrorism).
It's insulting coming from them, too.
Did you catch hitlary's concession speech... talk about focusing on minority groups, she hit them all....
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The left is always pushing that racism meme on republicans concerned about middle class wage stagnation because of open borders, uncontrolled immigration (and also Islamic terrorism).
It's insulting coming from them, too.
It's insulting for the Trumpsters to keep pushing the meme that mainstream conservatives like me are RINOs and GOPe and even "haters" of the Dear Leader and his minions.
My characterization of Trump's poisonous rhetoric is entirely accurate. A pig can't proclaim when it wallows in mud that it doesn't smell bad.
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Did you catch hitlary's concession speech... talk about focusing on minority groups, she hit them all....
I have a delicate constitution. I'm easily upset by the sight of a felon who sold State Department influence running for president. Just a little quirk of mine.
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I have a delicate constitution. I'm easily upset by the sight of a felon who sold State Department influence running for president. Just a little quirk of mine.
Need to toughen up there cupcake.. :)
It intrigues me how these candidates change over the campaign. Hilary was "I am Great etc etc" but her concession speech was "free stuff for everyone"...
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Chris Christie expected to suspend Presidential Bid
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/breaking-news-chris-christie-expected-to-suspend-presidential-campaign-219074 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/breaking-news-chris-christie-expected-to-suspend-presidential-campaign-219074)
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Chris Christie expected to suspend Presidential Bid
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/breaking-news-chris-christie-expected-to-suspend-presidential-campaign-219074 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/breaking-news-chris-christie-expected-to-suspend-presidential-campaign-219074)
Now he can get back to doing what he does best, bully little people and love Obama.
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Chris Christie expected to suspend Presidential Bid
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/breaking-news-chris-christie-expected-to-suspend-presidential-campaign-219074 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/breaking-news-chris-christie-expected-to-suspend-presidential-campaign-219074)
Maybe the first time ever that a campaign was sunk by a bridge.
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Maybe the first time ever that a campaign was sunk by a bridge.
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Well played sir, well played.
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Chris Christie expected to suspend Presidential Bid
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/breaking-news-chris-christie-expected-to-suspend-presidential-campaign-219074 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/breaking-news-chris-christie-expected-to-suspend-presidential-campaign-219074)
I called it first.
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Maybe the first time ever that a campaign was sunk by a bridge.
Or Maybe...
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It's insulting for the Trumpsters to keep pushing the meme that mainstream conservatives like me are RINOs and GOPe and even "haters" of the Dear Leader and his minions.
My characterization of Trump's poisonous rhetoric is entirely accurate. A pig can't proclaim when it wallows in mud that it doesn't smell bad.
You Hate the Bush family. You Hate Trump.
You ARE a Hater!
I can read. :whistle:
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If it comes down to a Trump vs Cruz battle, we win either way in my opinion....
Agreed.
we win
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But I guess that being a pro-life, pro Second Amendment fiscal conservative who believes in reducing the size and scope of government no longer qualifies someone as a conservative.
Go figure.
Not when your name is Bush and your own party has turned against your family.
The center-right has a solid fraction, that have evaluated recent performances, and decided to throw out "checklist" conservatism, in favor of emotion and results and major topics.
Immigration, terrorism, jobs, companies leaving the country, etc.
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Agreed.
we win
Except if neither Cruz nor Trump can win the general election. Then we all lose.
Even with the weakness of Clinton and the socialism of Sanders, we are taking a huge chance by nominating either of these frighteningly unpopular and divisive folks. Let's stop living in a bubble and at least try to appreciate how much of the rest of the nation despise Trump and Cruz. It's one hell of a hurdle to overcome.
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I have a delicate constitution. I'm easily upset by the sight of a felon who sold State Department influence running for president. Just a little quirk of mine.
Mine too. To me, that's an even bigger scandal than her e-mail server. So many of the donations to the Clinton Foundation came from foreigners seeking to buy influence. It is not unreasonable to question Clinton's patriotism.
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Not when your name is Bush and your own party has turned against your family.
The center-right has a solid fraction, that have evaluated recent performances, and decided to throw out "checklist" conservatism, in favor of emotion and results and major topics.
Immigration, terrorism, jobs, companies leaving the country, etc.
"... and results" is not a factor.
In fact, the exact opposite is the truth.
The two leading candidates have no record (to speak of) related to the duties of the office they seek, and since they have no record, and all that's driving their support is rhetoric, there are no "results" to gauge the candidate by.
If you never swing a bat at a baseball, you never strike out.
You can however, become an expert on (and a critic of) the batting records of others.
So now, you can stand somewhere in that stadium and tell others how you would have hit that ball out of the park, right after the actual batter struck out.
That's Trump and Cruz right there, in a nutshell
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Mine too. To me, that's an even bigger scandal than her e-mail server. So many of the donations to the Clinton Foundation came from foreigners seeking to buy influence. It is not unreasonable to question Clinton's patriotism.
It would be unreasonable to do anything else IMHO!
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Mine too. To me, that's an even bigger scandal than her e-mail server. So many of the donations to the Clinton Foundation came from foreigners seeking to buy influence. It is not unreasonable to question Clinton's patriotism.
Trump donated $100K to it.
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"... and results" is not a factor.
In fact, the exact opposite is the truth.
The two leading candidates have no record (to speak of) related to the duties of the office they seek, and since they have no record, and all that's driving their support is rhetoric, there are no "results" to gauge the candidate by.
If you never swing a bat at a baseball, you never strike out.
You can however, become an expert on (and a critic of) the batting records of others.
So now, you can stand somewhere in that stadium and tell others how you would have hit that ball out of the park, right after the actual batter struck out.
That's Trump and Cruz right there, in a nutshell
Perceived results. Trump says a lady got killed in San Fran by an illegal convict our system failed to deport, and he is going to fix that.
Establishment candidates recite one more time, their failed plans. Establishment candidates have been running things all along, and people think the system is broken.
You don't hire the people you think broke the system, to fix and keep running the system.
I stopped ridiculing people that view the situation that way awhile back. They make sense to me.
When firms have a downturn, and bring in a "turnaround" expert, it is rarely an insider. They want somebody from outside to shake things up.
Trump tells people that he intends to shake things up, and that sounds good.
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Well, the "establishment" and people who decide on who to vote for based on a resume and not on fiery speeches and braggadocio.
But I guess that being a pro-life, pro Second Amendment fiscal conservative who believes in reducing the size and scope of government no longer qualifies someone as a conservative.
Go figure.
I have been as critical of Bush as any - well, that's probably an overstatement, I'm sure I've been outdone on that - and I agree that he is conservative and he had successes as Florida's governor. Hell, he might be the very best of the Bushes as a "conservative" for that matter (that is one problem right there but for later).
He might have been great in the 80's or 90's. But he, like his family, is very out of touch with the state of the country. We have been immigration-ed and refugee-ed to death...literally to death. The influx is killing this country just like Europe may be coming to realize it is killing them. It is not racism. It wouldn't matter if they were white, green, red or chartreuse Martians. We cannot solve the world's problems, including their population issues. And we are killing our country by trying to take in mass immigration as a safety valve for poor, destitute lands that are not solving their own problems. Oh, and by the way, our greedy Chamber of Commerce sees cheap labor - and our own companies and small businesses can't make ends meet without it because we've piled impossible regulations, paperwork, taxes and requirements on them, mostly by our desire to be Green. And that is killing us.
On both of these major problems, Jeb is completely out of touch. He's out of touch with our economy and he's out of touch with the social change at the community level from the mass influx of poor immigrants that we cannot assimilate. To top it off, he's the candidate of the big donor - the people this nation, left and right, are rejecting as part of the cabal that got us to this place in the last 20 years or so.
And then finally, his name is "Bush." The family of two presidents that were both complete and utter failures. How he can't see those optics I don't understand (maybe he does but he wants to ignore them and hope everyone else in the country can't see it because he is as narcissistic and power hungry as he claims others are).
Finally, ideology is yesterday for "conservatives." Can someone point out where "conservatism" has a majority, or even a significant plurality? Where are the success stories...no mark that, where on earth has it even ever been given the opportunity to have success? Conservatism is a red herring...or maybe it's the Great Pumpkin. Republicans chase conservatism - and conservatism NEVER wins, it never even appears. It doesn't get off the drawing board. It is a meaningless, empty platitude. That is all it is today. It is not a governing philosophy - to be a governing philosophy it has to actually govern somewhere. It never has...even during the golden years of Reagan, it only had bits and pieces. So perhaps we ought to ditch that idea and find something that can actually work in a pragmatic world.
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Mine too. To me, that's an even bigger scandal than her e-mail server. So many of the donations to the Clinton Foundation came from foreigners seeking to buy influence. It is not unreasonable to question Clinton's patriotism.
Isn't part of the FBI probe for espionage?
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Trump donated $100K to it.
I'm not sure, but if anyone is willing to check, I would bet the Bushes also contributed.
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Isn't part of the FBI probe for espionage?
I don't know whether it is or not but I sure want to believe it is.
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...that's the point! That's the system everyone at the grassroots wants gone, (R) and (D). We are all working to dismantle it. Trump, as a smart businessman, used that system to his business advantage--but dislikes it and wants it gone, as businessmen tend to do. Cruz takes superPAC money--but, also wants the system gone.
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I have been as critical of Bush as any - well, that's probably an overstatement, I'm sure I've been outdone on that - and I agree that he is conservative and he had successes as Florida's governor. Hell, he might be the very best of the Bushes as a "conservative" for that matter (that is one problem right there but for later).
Finally, ideology is yesterday for "conservatives." Can someone point out where "conservatism" has a majority, or even a significant plurality? Where are the success stories...no mark that, where on earth has it even ever been given the opportunity to have success? Conservatism is a red herring...or maybe it's the Great Pumpkin. Republicans chase conservatism - and conservatism NEVER wins, it never even appears. It doesn't get off the drawing board. It is a meaningless, empty platitude. That is all it is today. It is not a governing philosophy - to be a governing philosophy it has to actually govern somewhere. It never has...even during the golden years of Reagan, it only had bits and pieces. So perhaps we ought to ditch that idea and find something that can actually work in a pragmatic world.
I think Bush hurt himself not because of his ideas so much as his presentation. The optics control everything. As to whether conservatism has been reflected in successes, one has to decide what it really is today. Conservatism in its most basic form is a "no contest" in battling liberalism for the popularity prize. It's job is not to prevent change, but to slow it down. A conservative wants to look ahead to address the potential problems in the future; the liberal wants to move ahead at warp speed, Obamacare being a prime example. The liberal wants to give you everything; the conservative wants you to earn it. Tamping down on such "progress" isn't going to win any popularity contests.
But today, the philosophy of reaction has replaced conservatism in many ways. We want to turn back the clock on much of what has become accepted today culturally and politically. We don't want to try and slow down the progressive policies; we want to turn them back to an earlier time. People will never refer to themselves as reactionaries, so they redefine the traditional concept of conservatism to meet their goals. It's the popularity of both Trump and Cruz, for better or worse. And now, the term conservative has taken on far more negative connotations than ever. Today's 'conservatives' are branded by the left as racists, anti-environment, haters of women and the poor. And on the right side of the aisle those who want to govern by traditional conservative principles are branded as RINOs and liberals at best. JMHO of course.
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Perceived results. Trump says a lady got killed in San Fran by an illegal convict our system failed to deport, and he is going to fix that.
Establishment candidates recite one more time, their failed plans. Establishment candidates have been running things all along, and people think the system is broken.
You don't hire the people you think broke the system, to fix and keep running the system.
I stopped ridiculing people that view the situation that way awhile back. They make sense to me.
When firms have a downturn, and bring in a "turnaround" expert, it is rarely an insider. They want somebody from outside to shake things up.
Trump tells people that he intends to shake things up, and that sounds good.
Except Trump is not a turnaround expert.
He's as big a proponent of big government helping him get what he wants for his business as anybody in the country.
How does someone who benefited as much as he has shake up the very system whose palms he's greased?
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I'm not sure, but if anyone is willing to check, I would bet the Bushes also contributed.
Do more than make a worthless bet and come up with some evidence.
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I have been as critical of Bush as any - well, that's probably an overstatement, I'm sure I've been outdone on that - and I agree that he is conservative and he had successes as Florida's governor. Hell, he might be the very best of the Bushes as a "conservative" for that matter (that is one problem right there but for later).
He might have been great in the 80's or 90's. But he, like his family, is very out of touch with the state of the country. We have been immigration-ed and refugee-ed to death...literally to death. The influx is killing this country just like Europe may be coming to realize it is killing them. It is not racism. It wouldn't matter if they were white, green, red or chartreuse Martians. We cannot solve the world's problems, including their population issues. And we are killing our country by trying to take in mass immigration as a safety valve for poor, destitute lands that are not solving their own problems. Oh, and by the way, our greedy Chamber of Commerce sees cheap labor - and our own companies and small businesses can't make ends meet without it because we've piled impossible regulations, paperwork, taxes and requirements on them, mostly by our desire to be Green. And that is killing us.
On both of these major problems, Jeb is completely out of touch. He's out of touch with our economy and he's out of touch with the social change at the community level from the mass influx of poor immigrants that we cannot assimilate. To top it off, he's the candidate of the big donor - the people this nation, left and right, are rejecting as part of the cabal that got us to this place in the last 20 years or so.
And then finally, his name is "Bush." The family of two presidents that were both complete and utter failures. How he can't see those optics I don't understand (maybe he does but he wants to ignore them and hope everyone else in the country can't see it because he is as narcissistic and power hungry as he claims others are).
Finally, ideology is yesterday for "conservatives." Can someone point out where "conservatism" has a majority, or even a significant plurality? Where are the success stories...no mark that, where on earth has it even ever been given the opportunity to have success? Conservatism is a red herring...or maybe it's the Great Pumpkin. Republicans chase conservatism - and conservatism NEVER wins, it never even appears. It doesn't get off the drawing board. It is a meaningless, empty platitude. That is all it is today. It is not a governing philosophy - to be a governing philosophy it has to actually govern somewhere. It never has...even during the golden years of Reagan, it only had bits and pieces. So perhaps we ought to ditch that idea and find something that can actually work in a pragmatic world.
Jeb is far from out of touch on immigration. The problem is that people have a predetermined opinion on Jeb, and they assign that opinion on who he is to him.
Read this book... published in 2014:
http://www.amazon.com/Immigration-Wars-Forging-American-Solution/dp/1476713464
Here a few salient points:
Reduce family-based visas: Bush wants to make it easier for spouses and minor children of those in the U.S. to get visas. However, he also wants to bar siblings, parents, and adult children of those in the U.S. from applying for family-based admission, which would significantly reduce the numbers of immigrants allowed in because of family ties.
He wants States to have a greater say so on which immigrants receive government services.
He wants to give State and local authorities more power to enforce immigration laws.
He wants to get rid of the current "diversity" method of picking who gets to migrate to the US and replace it with something more traditional
He would grant legal statues to a certain number of illegals already in the country, but not citizenship... something that he and Ted Cruz agree on.
He wants to use microchips and biometric data to track visitors to the US in order to control visa overstayers
More enforcement against employers who hire illegals
Bush would provide more border security through increasing real and virtual fencing, drones, and border agents. He'd extend Homeland Security's authority to the 50 national parks that are within 100 miles of the border. Finally, he'd authorize the president to deploy military and the National Guard to secure the border.
That's all in the book.
There are things that some may object to, like increasing the number of H1B visas, but only when that workforce benefits the nation. He wants to do a brain drain on the world and bring them here.
He would grant citizenship to DREAMers.
Not a bad plan, but most people will find something that they disagree with and discard the whole thing along with the candidate.
I've never met anyone with whom I've agreed with on every single issue.
Finally, the last name.
To me, not voting for a person based on his last name makes about as much sense as voting for one because of the color of their skin, or their gender.
Then again, that's where we are as a country these days.
Benito Mussolini is smiling.
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Luis wrote:
Jeb is far from out of touch on immigration. The problem is that people have a predetermined opinion on Jeb, and they assign that opinion on who he is to him.
Read this book... published in 2014:
Well summarized. Most of that was in the 2013 bill co-sponsored by Rubio, while that and more was in the 2007 Kennedy-McCain bill. Both required the border security initiatives be addressed before any legalization. But apparently we are better off with the chaos of today. Still, ten years from now some will still be criticizing any efforts at immigration saying "but all we have to do is enforce the laws we have on the books".
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My problem with the Bush family is that they tend to sound fine when they campaign, but when they get to office they get very, very squishy and moderate, letting the Dems have way too much running room. Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice...
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Little Jebbie spent $36 million in New Hampshire for exactly ZERO delegates!
The establishment REALLY REALLY wants little Jebbie!
I'd say they wanted him 6 months ago... and he stockpiled that cash.
Nowadays, they'd prefer Rubio, but Bush still has all the stockpiled cash. And a bruised ego.
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I'd say they wanted him 6 months ago... and he stockpiled that cash.
Nowadays, they'd prefer Rubio, but Bush still has all the stockpiled cash. And a bruised ego.
Which will get him what exactly?
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If you never swing a bat at a baseball, you never strike out.
The hell you don't. :laugh:
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My problem with the Bush family is that they tend to sound fine when they campaign, but when they get to office they get very, very squishy and moderate, letting the Dems have way too much running room. Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice...
You nailed it FV... the same thing applies to ALL the mainstream GOP elephants, that is why the "rebels" are getting so much attention.
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The hell you don't. :laugh:
If you never try, you never fail....
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If you never swing a bat at a baseball, you never strike out.
The hell you don't. :laugh:
If you never swing the bat you strike out more than anyone!
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Which will get him what exactly?
The ability to tear down everyone not named Cruz or Trump. It won't get him any votes, much like how Christie's attacks didn't.
But he'll be able to vent his spleen and 'make 'em suffer'.
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Fox reporting Christie is officially out and so is Carly
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The ability to tear down everyone not named Cruz or Trump. It won't get him any votes, much like how Christie's attacks didn't.
But he'll be able to vent his spleen and 'make 'em suffer'.
OK! I agree with that! :beer:
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Fox reporting Christie is officially out and so is Carly
Good riddance to Christie but I think Carly got the shaft and I doubt we have heard the last of her.
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Good riddance to Christie but I think Carly got the shaft and I doubt we have heard the last of her.
I hope not. She might be considered for VP but far more likely whoever is the GOP nominee will pick Kasich because of the importance of OH. Carly would be a good pick for a cabinet post, however.
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My problem with the Bush family is that they tend to sound fine when they campaign, but when they get to office they get very, very squishy and moderate, letting the Dems have way too much running room. Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice...
The image of what the Presidency is to far too many people is completely wrong. The POTUS is not supposed to be an ideologue with a sledgehammer and high ground with which to pound any specific ideology into the whole of the people. He's not. He's supposed to be the POTUS of all of the people, not just aprt of the people. I would have gladly taken eight more years of GWB over eight years of Obama.
GHW Bush was crucified for his broken pledge, yet it was that broken pledge that helped bring about the balanced budget and sound economy we experienced during the Clinton years, and that Clinton took credit for.It was Clinton that signed the law into lace which both inflated the Real Estate market out of control and brought it crashing down.
George W. Bush was the right person for the time, but we allowed the left to demonize him over a dirty, nasty war that needed, and still needs, to be fought.
People are shallow and they don't think much, and they support (or oppose) candidates for absurd reasons.
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Trump pushes back on newspaper attacks, says Christie should stay in race
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/10/trump-pushes-back-on-newspaper-attacks-says-christie-should-stay-in-race.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/10/trump-pushes-back-on-newspaper-attacks-says-christie-should-stay-in-race.html)
Now why on earth would Trump want Christie to stay in the race? /s
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The hell you don't. :laugh:
That entire post and this is what you comment on?
If you read more carefully, or maybe just with an eye to do something other than find some petty thing to pick at, maybe you'd understand that the analogy pertained to the guy NOT at bat, but rather criticizing the batter from a distance.
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George W. Bush was the right person for the time, but we allowed the left to demonize him over a dirty, nasty war that needed, and still needs, to be fought.
You might change that to *he* allowed....we all protested all the lies but he and is admin never defended themselves..they let the lies become liberal facts.
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Perceived results. Trump says a lady got killed in San Fran by an illegal convict our system failed to deport, and he is going to fix that.
Establishment candidates recite one more time, their failed plans. Establishment candidates have been running things all along, and people think the system is broken.
You don't hire the people you think broke the system, to fix and keep running the system.
I stopped ridiculing people that view the situation that way awhile back. They make sense to me.
When firms have a downturn, and bring in a "turnaround" expert, it is rarely an insider. They want somebody from outside to shake things up.
Trump tells people that he intends to shake things up, and that sounds good.
You can't bring a man into the office of POTUS to turn this country around. That's not how things work. We don't have (we're not supposed to have) a strong man Presidency.
If Trump (or anyone elected) starts to execute Lone Ranger fixes for the perceived problems in the nation, he would be as wrong as Obama is right now. That's not the country that we live in. That's not what the Constitution calls for.
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You might change that to *he* allowed....we all protested all the lies but he and is admin never defended themselves..they let the lies become liberal facts.
Perception.
I was here, and I watched along with everyone else.
Did Bush get on TV week in and week out defending himself against liberal attacks?
No, that's below the decorum of the office. But to lay blame on Jeb for Bush's perceived weaknesses is flawed thinking.
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Fox reporting Christie is officially out and so is Carly
We have a thread (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,194678.0.html).
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You can't bring a man into the office of POTUS to turn this country around. That's not how things work. We don't have (we're not supposed to have) a strong man Presidency.
If Trump (or anyone elected) starts to execute Lone Ranger fixes for the perceived problems in the nation, he would be as wrong as Obama is right now. That's not the country that we live in. That's not what the Constitution calls for.
Agree if you are talking about legislating from the whitehouse... BUT the president and his cabinet MUST institute accountability into the agencies and bring them into line with existing legislation.
If we can get that done, that is half the battle.
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Agree if you are talking about legislating from the whitehouse... BUT the president and his cabinet MUST institute accountability into the agencies and bring them into line with existing legislation.
If we can get that done, that is half the battle.
Most issues that require accountability to kick in emanate from ideologically based Presidencies.
If that President took office on the promise of fundamentally changing America to his vision of what the country should be, then ( as far as he's concerned) whatever he does in order to bring that about is justified, so no one will be held accountable for anything.
Ergo Barack Hussein Obama/Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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Bush governed as a solid pro-life Governor, being the first in the nation to push through "Choose Life" State license plates with a portion of the fees ging to assist pregnant women. Jeb led the fight to keep Terri Schiavo alive.
Bush opened the nation's first faith-based prison.
He ended affirmative action for State workers, State contractors and University admissions.
He established Florida's first state-wide voucher program, expanded charter schools, and instituted standardized testing. Kids
Bush moved Medicaid recipients to private managed-care plans, reducing the costs to taxpayers.
Bush signed the nation's FIRST "stand your ground" law. His NRA lifetime rating is A+
Think that may be why Barbara Bush 2 came out in support of Bubbette!?
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Or Maybe...
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It has been said that Bathhouse Barry does love pudgy white boys.
Maybe Christy can find a job "working under" Obomber?
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You Hate the Bush family. You Hate Trump.
You say that like they are bad things.
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It has been said that Bathhouse Barry does love pudgy white boys.
Maybe Christy can find a job "working under" Obomber?
That sounds like something Trump would say. :pondering:
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Except if neither Cruz nor Trump can win the general election. Then we all lose.
Even with the weakness of Clinton and the socialism of Sanders, we are taking a huge chance by nominating either of these frighteningly unpopular and divisive folks. Let's stop living in a bubble and at least try to appreciate how much of the rest of the nation despise Trump and Cruz. It's one hell of a hurdle to overcome.
I think it is likely you have no idea of the massive amount of hatred most registered Republicans and others who consider themselves to be conservatives hate the Globalist alleged Republican "usual suspects" the alleged Republican Party keep throwing at us. We haven't had a President worth the cost of the powder and shot it would take to blow him away since Reagan left office. All we get are the globalist traitors to America like the Bush Crime Family,that idiot McLunatic,and the incompetent Romney.
Now we have the final Bush running,and even one of nieces has came out as a Bubbette! supporter.
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That entire post and this is what you comment on?
If you read more carefully, or maybe just with an eye to do something other than find some petty thing to pick at, maybe you'd understand that the analogy pertained to the guy NOT at bat, but rather criticizing the batter from a distance.
I realize that....but the actual statement was wrong...so like you would do...I corrected you.
BTW, you did the same thing to me last night....when I replied "strawman" to you. Meant no harm, Luis! :laugh:
I could also take the opportunity here to tell you that Rush mentioned too, today, that TRUMP is NOT a political ideologue.
He responded to a question as to what HIS definition of CONSERVATISM is.....and he said, "We're going to save and conserve and hold on to our assets" LOL!
IOW...he said that Trump will be the POTUS of ALL THE PEOPLE. He doesn't see LEFT or RIGHT.....he sees..."what can this person do for me?"
If they can't..."don't bother me!" If they can.....he's be warm and cordial.
....just like most entrepreneurs do.
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Did you catch hitlary's concession speech... talk about focusing on minority groups, she hit them all....
Yeah,but how is she going to "out patronize" the avowed "out" socialist candidate that has never even pretended to be anything else?
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Need to toughen up there cupcake.. :)
It intrigues me how these candidates change over the campaign. Hilary was "I am Great etc etc" but her concession speech was "free stuff for everyone"...
Sending a message to her target audience that "fee cell phones ain't squat! I'm gonna give you everything you ever wanted!"
No,she doesn't mean it,but they are gullible people who have been taught the government is their daddy,so they are programmed to believe anything a Dim says.
If they weren't gullible,the Dim Party wouldn't have a lock on their votes.
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I think it is likely you have no idea of the massive amount of hatred most registered Republicans and others who consider themselves to be conservatives hate the Globalist alleged Republican "usual suspects" the alleged Republican Party keep throwing at us. We haven't had a President worth the cost of the powder and shot it would take to blow him away since Reagan left office. All we get are the globalist traitors to America like the Bush Crime Family,that idiot McLunatic,and the incompetent Romney.
Now we have the final Bush running,and even one of nieces has came out as a Bubbette! supporter.
Nice, Sneaky........and yet there are some in here that wanted to crucify AliceWonders yesterday for her use of the words "eradicate" (from the institution called Washington, DC) and "TERMINATOR". ( a movie villain)
Unbelievable! **nononono*
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I'm not sure, but if anyone is willing to check, I would bet the Bushes also contributed.
And that excuses Trump,how?
BTW,Trump contributed to all of Bubbette's campains before this one. How many Clinton campaigns has the Bush Crime Family contributed money to?
Not counting Barbara Bush 2's recent support of Bubbette!,that is. I know she has given spoken support for Bubbette!,but don't know for a fact that she has also contributed money.
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You might change that to *he* allowed....we all protested all the lies but he and is admin never defended themselves..they let the lies become liberal facts.
I would argue that he let people like Karl Rove dissuade him from doing things he would otherwise have done!
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I would argue that he let people like Karl Rove dissuade him from doing things he would otherwise have done!
He did ok up to the time Rumsfeld left then the wheels came off..
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Except Trump is not a turnaround expert.
He's as big a proponent of big government helping him get what he wants for his business as anybody in the country.
How does someone who benefited as much as he has shake up the very system whose palms he's greased?
Exactly! He LOVES the current system because it allows him to profit from his business model of bankruptcy and manipulation of the tax codes.
Who here seriously thinks Trump wants to see the tax codes revised?
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Jeb is far from out of touch on immigration.
Have you tried to explain that to his Mexican wife and the children who campaign in Spanish IN MEXICO for the Bush Crime family?
The same children,who all have arrest records,BTW,who are refereed to by some in the Bush Crime Family as the "Brown Bushes"?
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My problem with the Bush family is that they tend to sound fine when they campaign, but when they get to office they get very, very squishy and moderate, letting the Dems have way too much running room. Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice...
Not entirely true. Boy Jorge did everything but beg the gun control bunch to vote for him by saying if and when he was elected he would sign any and every gun control bill placed on his desk. He also did and said other things that made it obvious to anyone looking that he was more of a Dim than a Republican. Yet people voted for him anyhow,and just look at the things he supported and who he put on the SC.
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That sounds like something Trump would say. :pondering:
That would have been a real "gotcha moment" if I were a candidate for the office of President of the United States,but I'm not.
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I realize that....but the actual statement was wrong...so like you would do...I corrected you.
BTW, you did the same thing to me last night....when I replied "strawman" to you. Meant no harm, Luis! :laugh:
I could also take the opportunity here to tell you that Rush mentioned too, today, that TRUMP is NOT a political ideologue.
He responded to a question as to what HIS definition of CONSERVATISM is.....and he said, "We're going to save and conserve and hold on to our assets" LOL!
IOW...he said that Trump will be the POTUS of ALL THE PEOPLE. He doesn't see LEFT or RIGHT.....he sees..."what can this person do for me?"
If they can't..."don't bother me!" If they can.....he's be warm and cordial.
....just like most entrepreneurs do.
When Rush says that Rubio is a "legitimate full-throated Conservative", conservatives cancel their subscriptions to rushlimbaugh.com.
Trump is an opportunist whose strongest political ideology is Trump.
He is also quite possibly a classic Fascist (a la Mussolini) or as Benito once corrected someone, a corporationist.
“Corporationism is above socialism and above liberalism. A new synthesis is created. It is a symptomatic fact that the decadence of capitalism coincides with the decadence of socialism. ... Corporative solutions can be applied anywhere.” - Benito Mussolini, November 1933
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That would have been a real "gotcha moment" if I were a candidate for the office of President of the United States,but I'm not.
True.
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Not entirely true. Boy Jorge did everything but beg the gun control bunch to vote for him by saying if and when he was elected he would sign any and every gun control bill placed on his desk. He also did and said other things that made it obvious to anyone looking that he was more of a Dim than a Republican. Yet people voted for him anyhow,and just look at the things he supported and who he put on the SC.
You mean the Roberts Court?
GWB appointed Roberts and Alito.
Two 2A cases have come before the Roberts Court.
1. NATIONAL TREASURY EMPLOYEES UNION v. FEDERAL LABOR RELATIONS AUTHORITY - The Court found that Unions had the right to negotiate for their members where firearms are stored during work hours. Roberts concurred.
2. DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER - The Court found that gun ownership is an individual, not a collective right. Roberts joined Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas, Alito in the majority opinion.
What's wrong with the Roberts Court and their view on the 2A?
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I predict Jim Gilmore will surge tonight. I heard through the grapevine from some unreliable sources that 2 or 3 people in a NH bar mentioned him by name this week. That bodes very well.
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DAmn you're good! Surged all the way up to 125 votes! :beer:
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DAmn you're good! Surged all the way up to 125 votes! :beer:
I'm really glad he got some votes. I was feeling bad for him!
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I'm really glad he got some votes. I was feeling bad for him!
I KNOW you were! :mauslaff:
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You mean the Roberts Court?
GWB appointed Roberts and Alito.
Two 2A cases have come before the Roberts Court.
1. NATIONAL TREASURY EMPLOYEES UNION v. FEDERAL LABOR RELATIONS AUTHORITY - The Court found that Unions had the right to negotiate for their members where firearms are stored during work hours. Roberts concurred.
2. DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER - The Court found that gun ownership is an individual, not a collective right. Roberts joined Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas, Alito in the majority opinion.
What's wrong with the Roberts Court and their view on the 2A?
Not a single thing you wrote addresses anything I said. Did Boy Jorge tell congress that he would sign any gun control bill they sent to him while they were pumping up a new AWB,or not?
Did,or did not the SC decide(Kelo) that private property no longer exists in this country if a local government can seize it and sell it to a developer in order to raise the tax base? Wasn't a Poppy Bush nominee named Souter prominent in the decision? What did Boy Jorge have to say in protest to this?
Roberts has been solid on 2nd Amendment issues,but that's about it.
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Not a single thing you wrote addresses anything I said. Did Boy Jorge tell congress that he would sign any gun control bill they sent to him while they were pumping up a new AWB,or not?
Did,or did not the SC decide(Kelo) that private property no longer exists in this country if a local government can seize it and sell it to a developer in order to raise the tax base? Wasn't a Poppy Bush nominee named Souter prominent in the decision? What did Boy Jorge have to say in protest to this?
Roberts has been solid on 2nd Amendment issues,but that's about it.
Two things...
When did GWB tell Congress that he would sign any gun control bill they sent to him?
He signed no gun control bill while in office.
Show me.
George HW Bush nominated two Supreme Court Justices: Clarence Thomas and David Souter. Souter was thought to be a solid conservative at the time of his nomination, his confirmation fiercely opposed by Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. His first years in the bench he sided mostly with the conservatives in the Court. He's since moved center-left. Thomas and Souter split on Kelo.
Can't win them all.
The Roberts Court has been solid on their defense of religious freedom and have handed Obama many defeats over the course of his tenure.
Kelo was a 5-4 decision with Souter in the majority and Thomas dissenting.
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Two things...
When did GWB tell Congress that he would sign any gun control bill they sent to him?
He signed no gun control bill while in office.
Show me.
George HW Bush nominated two Supreme Court Justices: Clarence Thomas and David Souter. Souter was thought to be a solid conservative at the time of his nomination, his confirmation fiercely opposed by Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. His first years in the bench he sided mostly with the conservatives in the Court. He's since moved center-left. Thomas and Souter split on Kelo.
Can't win them all.
The Roberts Court has been solid on their defense of religious freedom and have handed Obama many defeats over the course of his tenure.
Kelo was a 5-4 decision with Souter in the majority and Thomas dissenting.
When running for president,and even after he was in office. No,I don't have the exact dates or the exact quotes and I have no intention of looking them up for you. Look them up yourself if you are that interested.
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"It has been said that Bathhouse Barry does love pudgy white boys.
Maybe Christy can find a job "working under" Obomber?"
"That sounds like something Trump would say."
Only he didn't say it. A poster on here did, just as another poster said yesterday.
"Apparently there is nothing beneath Trump. Except perhaps, his mistresses"
Strange, isn't it, that it is Trump who is constantly accused of being guilty of poor taste, and though both of these posters may not be among his accusers, not being a candidate for President is no excuse for this kind of crudity.
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When running for president,and even after he was in office. No,I don't have the exact dates or the exact quotes and I have no intention of looking them up for you. Look them up yourself if you are that interested.
I don't work that way Sneaky. You made a BS allegation about Dubya. You come up with the proof.
Dubya let Clinton's AWB sunset. I sure don't remember him saying he would sign any gun bans.
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"It has been said that Bathhouse Barry does love pudgy white boys.
Maybe Christy can find a job "working under" Obomber?"
"That sounds like something Trump would say."
Only he didn't say it. A poster on here did, just as another poster said yesterday.
"Apparently there is nothing beneath Trump. Except perhaps, his mistresses"
Strange, isn't it, that it is Trump who is constantly accused of being guilty of poor taste, and though both of these posters may not be among his accusers, not being a candidate for President is no excuse for this kind of crudity.
WOW! Are you seriously going to claim victim status for Trump over what you claim is crudity? That's like staking out virginity in defense of Clinton,or patriotism in defense of Bathhouse Barry.
Have YOU no shame?
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I don't work that way Sneaky. You made a BS allegation about Dubya. You come up with the proof.
Dubya let Clinton's AWB sunset. I sure don't remember him saying he would sign any gun bans.
Gues what,Bubba? I don't work for you and I don't respond to YOUR BS claims in defense of scum like the Bush Crime Family.
Nor am I responsible for your ignorance and lack of attention.
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If they weren't gullible,the Dim Party wouldn't have a lock on their votes.
Nor would Trump, with respect to his supporters.
The NH results point out a key feature of Trump's support - it exhibits the characteristics of a cult of personality. Trump supporters locked in early, and appear to support Trump and Trump only. Almost half of NH voters decided in the days before the primary, and almost none broke for Trump. Trump has a hard core of support, but those who oppose Trump appear to be rigid too. His personality/temperament either seduces or repels.
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WOW! Are you seriously going to claim victim status for Trump over what you claim is crudity? That's like staking out virginity in defense of Clinton,or patriotism in defense of Bathhouse Barry.
Have YOU no shame?
Those who oppose Trump are "haters". Now THAT's a whining liberal meme!
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No,I don't have the exact dates or the exact quotes and I have no intention of looking them up for you. Look them up yourself if you are that interested.
It's your charge; it's your obligation to back it up if challenged, or else withdraw the charge. You're a passionate advocate; don't damage your credibility by being obnoxious toward those who engage in dialogue with you.
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Gues what,Bubba? I don't work for you and I don't respond to YOUR BS claims in defense of scum like the Bush Crime Family.
Nor am I responsible for your ignorance and lack of attention.
LOL! That's the way you speak to Once-Ler? To Once-Ler??
He's the 'House Diplomat' at TBR.
You've got absolutely no credibility in here now.
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LOL! That's the way you speak to Once-Ler? To Once-Ler??
He's the 'House Diplomat' at TBR.
You've got absolutely no credibility in here now.
Awwww,gee. Does this mean it's too late to join his cult and have him become MY personal guru,too? Will I ever be allowed to kiss his ring and sweat fealty if I promise to never tell the truth about the Bush Crimie Family again?
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It's your charge; it's your obligation to back it up if challenged, or else withdraw the charge. You're a passionate advocate; don't damage your credibility by being obnoxious toward those who engage in dialogue with you.
No,I merely posted information commonly known to all non-Bush-Bots. If he is really interested in discovering the truth,it is out there.
I no longer allow myself to get caught up in the old FR game of wasting my time to look up old links while my word is being questioned,I am being called a liar, and people are forgetting the subject.
Besides,he's not going to trust or believe any link I provide for him,so he needs to do this research himself and then come back and apologize to me for making a mistake/making false accusations.
Boy Jorge saying this was no secret,so if he wants to defend his idol. I just found several links. Took me maybe 30 seconds.
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Awwww,gee. Does this mean it's too late to join his cult and have him become MY personal guru,too?
Didn't say "guru", Sneaky.
I said diplomatic...to a fault sometimes.
Stop and take a few deep breaths....and find the courage to post the link(s) to support your charges regarding the Bushes.
Otherwise, your street cred is shot.
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Didn't say "guru", Sneaky.
I said diplomatic...to a fault sometimes.
Stop and take a few deep breaths....and find the courage to post the link(s) to support your charges regarding the Bushes.
Otherwise, your street cred is shot.
No,I will not. If I do it for him,I have to do it for anyone else that makes that demand,and I have seen that game played too many times to be falling for it.
IF he is serious,he can find the same links himself. If he doesn't,it simply means he is happy living with his head stuck in a hole in the dirt. Like I wrote earlier,it wasn't a secret when it happened unless maybe you were only posting on FR,and the info is very easy to find for anyone willing to face what may be an uncomfortable truth to them. IF he doesn't,it just proves my point true that leading a horse to water isn't the same thing as making him drink water.
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I just found several links. Took me maybe 30 seconds.
But you won't post them.
You know, I love your posts against Trump, but your lack of comity - this is, after all, supposed to be a discussion board, not a firing range - is contrary to the spirit of TBR.
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But you won't post them.
You know, I love your posts against Trump, but your lack of comity - this is, after all, supposed to be a discussion board, not a firing range - is contrary to the spirit of TBR.
As I have said before,I don't work for anyone here,and no one here has a right to place demands on my time. if I do that for one,I have to do it for all.
PLUS,there is the basic human nature factor at play that causes skeptical people to only believe what they find for themselves. I have been through this nonsense over and over on other boards,and there ARE people who keep demanding links as a way of shutting down discussion they don't like. You post a link,they look at it and claim it is biased,and demand another one. Wash and repeat. No matter how many links you post or their source,none are ever good enough.
So I let them find their own links. People that actually want to see proof usually don't have any trouble finding it. People that don't want to see truth will never see it.
This way I save time and let the genuine questioners and the political activists sort themselves out.
BTW,this will be my last post on this subject. I am wasting too much of my time on this issue.
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"It has been said that Bathhouse Barry does love pudgy white boys.
Maybe Christy can find a job "working under" Obomber?"
"That sounds like something Trump would say."
Only he didn't say it. A poster on here did, just as another poster said yesterday.
"Apparently there is nothing beneath Trump. Except perhaps, his mistresses"
Strange, isn't it, that it is Trump who is constantly accused of being guilty of poor taste, and though both of these posters may not be among his accusers, not being a candidate for President is no excuse for this kind of crudity.
What I wrote Trump's many mistresses is entirely justified. Ask any New York political reporter, irrespective of party affiliation. Perhaps the reason that he called Ted Cruz the name he did is because he knows so much about it.
Oh, the crudity! 888what
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PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH`S RECORD OF SUPPORT FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT
· The Bush Administration stated, "that the text and original intent of the Second Amendment clearly protect the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms," reversing the Clinton Administration position that the Second Amendment only applies to state militias.
· President Bush sent representatives to the United Nations with a clear message: we will not allow the UN to impose international regulations that would violate the Second Amendment and infringe on our sovereignty.
· George W. Bush respects America`s sporting and hunting heritage. His administration signed an agreement with 17 major sportsmen`s organizations to improve hunting and fishing access to Federal lands, and initiated a conservation agenda to protect millions of acres of forest, wetlands and grasslands for future generations of hunters.
· As President, he gave money to prosecute federal gun crimes through Project Safe Neighborhoods and signed a national Right-to-Carry law for law enforcement officers.
· President Bush knows that holding the American firearm industry responsible for the acts of criminals is wrong. That`s why he supported the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act," to prevent frivolous lawsuits against lawful American businesses.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20041013/nra-endorses-george-w-bush-for-preside (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20041013/nra-endorses-george-w-bush-for-preside)
George W. Bush on Gun Control
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Gun_Control.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Gun_Control.htm)
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As I have said before,I don't work for anyone here,and no one here has a right to place demands on my time. if I do that for one,I have to do it for all.
PLUS,there is the basic human nature factor at play that causes skeptical people to only believe what they find for themselves. I have been through this nonsense over and over on other boards,and there ARE people who keep demanding links as a way of shutting down discussion they don't like. You post a link,they look at it and claim it is biased,and demand another one. Wash and repeat. No matter how many links you post or their source,none are ever good enough.
So I let them find their own links. People that actually want to see proof usually don't have any trouble finding it. People that don't want to see truth will never see it.
This way I save time and let the genuine questioners and the political activists sort themselves out.
BTW,this will be my last post on this subject. I am wasting too much of my time on this issue.
So what you do is to make unsupported claims (I spend time trying to figure out what you were talking about, and found nothing) and when asked you just cop an attitude, cut and run.
Bush said he'd sign an extension to the "assault weapon" ban if Congress put it on his desk. Congress never put it on his desk and he knew they wouldn't:
BUSH: I did think we ought to extend the assault weapons ban and was told the bill was never going to move. I believe law-abiding citizens ought to be able to own a gun. I believe in background checks. The best way to protect our citizens from guns is to prosecute those who commit crimes with guns. - Third Bush-Kerry debate, in Tempe AZ , Oct 13, 2004
Crafting laws is the job of Congress, and Congress did not put that law on the President's desk. Bush knew this wouldn't happen, so to "support" something that he knew would never happen was simply a political move in his part.
That's like a Presidential candidate today supporting something that has absolutely no possibility of ever happening like banning all abortions, deporting all illegal aliens in 18 months all stopping all Muslims from entering the nation.
It's politics and pablum for the hopelessly moronic.
The basic bottom line here is that you have a visceral, Perot-like animus toward the Bush family.
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PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH`S RECORD OF SUPPORT FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT
· The Bush Administration stated, "that the text and original intent of the Second Amendment clearly protect the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms," reversing the Clinton Administration position that the Second Amendment only applies to state militias.
· President Bush sent representatives to the United Nations with a clear message: we will not allow the UN to impose international regulations that would violate the Second Amendment and infringe on our sovereignty.
· George W. Bush respects America`s sporting and hunting heritage. His administration signed an agreement with 17 major sportsmen`s organizations to improve hunting and fishing access to Federal lands, and initiated a conservation agenda to protect millions of acres of forest, wetlands and grasslands for future generations of hunters.
· As President, he gave money to prosecute federal gun crimes through Project Safe Neighborhoods and signed a national Right-to-Carry law for law enforcement officers.
· President Bush knows that holding the American firearm industry responsible for the acts of criminals is wrong. That`s why he supported the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act," to prevent frivolous lawsuits against lawful American businesses.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20041013/nra-endorses-george-w-bush-for-preside (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20041013/nra-endorses-george-w-bush-for-preside)
George W. Bush on Gun Control
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Gun_Control.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Gun_Control.htm)
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What I wrote Trump's many mistresses is entirely justified. Ask any New York political reporter, irrespective of party affiliation. Perhaps the reason that he called Ted Cruz the name he did is because he knows so much about it.
Oh, the crudity! 888what
How could any Trump supporter deny it,when Trump not only brags about bagging stray women,he even brags about bagging married women?
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PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH`S RECORD OF SUPPORT FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT
· The Bush Administration stated, "that the text and original intent of the Second Amendment clearly protect the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms," reversing the Clinton Administration position that the Second Amendment only applies to state militias.
· President Bush sent representatives to the United Nations with a clear message: we will not allow the UN to impose international regulations that would violate the Second Amendment and infringe on our sovereignty.
· George W. Bush respects America`s sporting and hunting heritage. His administration signed an agreement with 17 major sportsmen`s organizations to improve hunting and fishing access to Federal lands, and initiated a conservation agenda to protect millions of acres of forest, wetlands and grasslands for future generations of hunters.
· As President, he gave money to prosecute federal gun crimes through Project Safe Neighborhoods and signed a national Right-to-Carry law for law enforcement officers.
· President Bush knows that holding the American firearm industry responsible for the acts of criminals is wrong. That`s why he supported the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act," to prevent frivolous lawsuits against lawful American businesses.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20041013/nra-endorses-george-w-bush-for-preside (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20041013/nra-endorses-george-w-bush-for-preside)
George W. Bush on Gun Control
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Gun_Control.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Gun_Control.htm)
Now do a web search using "President Bush says he will sign any gun control bill sent to him" as the key words,and read the flip side.
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So what you do is to make unsupported claims (I spend time trying to figure out what you were talking about, and found nothing) and when asked you just cop an attitude, cut and run.
Bush said he'd sign an extension to the "assault weapon" ban if Congress put it on his desk. Congress never put it on his desk and he knew they wouldn't:
BUSH: I did think we ought to extend the assault weapons ban and was told the bill was never going to move. I believe law-abiding citizens ought to be able to own a gun. I believe in background checks. The best way to protect our citizens from guns is to prosecute those who commit crimes with guns. - Third Bush-Kerry debate, in Tempe AZ , Oct 13, 2004
Crafting laws is the job of Congress, and Congress did not put that law on the President's desk. Bush knew this wouldn't happen, so to "support" something that he knew would never happen was simply a political move in his part.
That's like a Presidential candidate today supporting something that has absolutely no possibility of ever happening like banning all abortions, deporting all illegal aliens in 18 months all stopping all Muslims from entering the nation.
It's politics and pablum for the hopelessly moronic.
The basic bottom line here is that you have a visceral, Perot-like animus toward the Bush family.
No,the bottom like is you are a Bush groupie,and even when you find the evidence he was willing to sign a new AWB yourself,you excuse him by claiming "he knew a new AWB bill would never been sent to him".
Did he or did he NOT say he would sign a new AWB ban if Congress sent it to him?
Did he or did he NOT say he was in favor of "background checks" to exercise A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT?
Yes,or no?
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Now do a web search using "President Bush says he will sign any gun control bill sent to him" as the key words,and read the flip side.
I did, and didn't find that. Perhaps you could link me to it. The second link I provided was everything in the record about Bush and gun control. Didn't see that statement.
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No,the bottom like is you are a Bush groupie,and even when you find the evidence he was willing to sign a new AWB yourself,you excuse him by claiming "he knew a new AWB bill would never been sent to him".
Did he or did he NOT say he would sign a new AWB ban if Congress sent it to him?
Did he or did he NOT say he was in favor of "background checks" to exercise A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT?
Yes,or no?
He did.
So what?
It was never going to happen and he knew it. Saying what he said took that position stand away from John Kerry during an election.
It never happened and his ACTIONS (as my friend MAC pointed out) sided with a very strong support for gun rights.
The problem with people is that they pay way too much attention to what politicians say and not enough to what they do.
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What I wrote Trump's many mistresses is entirely justified. Ask any New York political reporter, irrespective of party affiliation. Perhaps the reason that he called Ted Cruz the name he did is because he knows so much about it.
Oh, the crudity! 888what
You have to know that having multiple mistresses, adultery, and vile language in public (not to mention lying) are now acceptable to Trump supporters.
It is we, who still oppose those things, who are bound by "rigid" principles, and it is we who need to get with the program, and now support what has always been considered bad, because Trump is our hero..... **nononono*
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Now do a web search using "President Bush says he will sign any gun control bill sent to him" as the key words,and read the flip side.
I did, nothing came up.
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You have to know that having multiple mistresses, adultery, and vile language in public (not to mention lying) are now acceptable to Trump supporters.
It is we, who still oppose those things, who are bound by "rigid" principles, and it is we who need to get with the program, and now support what has always been considered bad, because Trump is our hero..... **nononono*
Giuliani = bad
Trump = good
:huh?:
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I would suggest that people ignore sneakypete when it comes to all things Bush. He despises them all, and thinks they are evil personified. Rational discussion of facts with him is not possible.
Besides which, this is kinda yesterday's argument, isn't it?
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Giuliani = bad
Trump = good
:huh?:
Yeah.............. go figure. I guess they have "malleable" principles.
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Besides which, this is kinda yesterday's argument, isn't it?
Which part? The primary, gun control or the Bush family.. :beer:
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Giuliani = bad
Trump = good
:huh?:
Ah yes, the good old days of TOS in 2007. Hard to forget. :facepalm:
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I did, and didn't find that. Perhaps you could link me to it. The second link I provided was everything in the record about Bush and gun control. Didn't see that statement.
I used "President Bush "I will sign any gun control bill presented to me" on google and got the following:
"About 5,350,000 results (1.01 seconds)"
No need to read all 5+ million,just try the first two or three.
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He did.
So what?
Ahhh,the Hillary excuse is bad when Hillary uses it,but just peachy-keen for Boy Jorge?
What are you going to post next,"This is old news,let's move on!"
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Which part? The primary, gun control or the Bush family.. :beer:
GOOD question, Ed. :beer:
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So what you do is to make unsupported claims (I spend time trying to figure out what you were talking about, and found nothing) and when asked you just cop an attitude, cut and run.
Bush said he'd sign an extension to the "assault weapon" ban if Congress put it on his desk. Congress never put it on his desk and he knew they wouldn't:
BUSH: I did think we ought to extend the assault weapons ban and was told the bill was never going to move. I believe law-abiding citizens ought to be able to own a gun. I believe in background checks. The best way to protect our citizens from guns is to prosecute those who commit crimes with guns. - Third Bush-Kerry debate, in Tempe AZ , Oct 13, 2004
Crafting laws is the job of Congress, and Congress did not put that law on the President's desk. Bush knew this wouldn't happen, so to "support" something that he knew would never happen was simply a political move in his part.
That's like a Presidential candidate today supporting something that has absolutely no possibility of ever happening like banning all abortions, deporting all illegal aliens in 18 months all stopping all Muslims from entering the nation.
It's politics and pablum for the hopelessly moronic.
The basic bottom line here is that you have a visceral, Perot-like animus toward the Bush family.
"It's politics and pablum for the hopelessly moronic."
Just remember that YOU are the one who wrote that. I guess this means we should ignore everything Bubbette and Sanders says also,right?
"The basic bottom line here is that you have a visceral, Perot-like animus toward the Bush family."
Of course I do. I hate all traitors,and most especially the ones that pretend to be on my side and then sell out the country for personal gain.
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Which part? The primary, gun control or the Bush family.. :beer:
Well,I didn't write what you were replying to,but with any luck at all we are done with the Bush Crime Family and the Clinton Crime Family.
We also seen to now be free of the Kennedy Klan.
All the news ain't bad.
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Well,I didn't write what you were replying to,but with any luck at all we are done with the Bush Crime Family and the Clinton Crime Family.
We also seen to now be free of the Kennedy Klan.
All the news ain't bad.
I always sensed the Bush family as honorable and sincere, that is all I can ask.
Was not always crazy about some of the things they did but... they were elected not me...
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I always sensed the Bush family as honorable and sincere, that is all I can ask.
Was not always crazy about some of the things they did but... they were elected not me...
I completely agree.
Didn't like all the policies.... especially didn't like the 2nd term spending of George W., bank bailouts, etc., but honorable? YES. "Crime family?" Same as the Clintons?? Not a chance.
Edited to add: It's the argument about how eeeeevil George W. Bush was that's "yesterday's argument."
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My take away from all of this:
1. Bush did some good things and some bad things
2. No more Bushs or Clintons.
Can we move on now?
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My take away from all of this:
1. Bush did some good things and some bad things
2. No more Bushs or Clintons.
Can we move on now?
NO! 11513 It's still moving...
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My take away from all of this:
1. Bush did some good things and some bad things
2. No more Bushs or Clintons.
Can we move on now?
My point, made clearly. :patriot:
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My take away from all of this:
1. Bush did some good things and some bad things
2. No more Bushs or Clintons.
Can we move on now?
:amen:
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I used "President Bush "I will sign any gun control bill presented to me" on google and got the following:
"About 5,350,000 results (1.01 seconds)"
No need to read all 5+ million,just try the first two or three.
I put that in and got the top 3 including a blog that mentioned the possibility of Bush signing the AWB if sent to him, A NY Times article on the Brady Bill, and a fact-check article on whether Obama flip-flopped on gun control. Seriously, if you have a single credible source, why not just post it? I don't think anyone here has a problem posting links to support their positions.
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I completely agree.
Didn't like all the policies.... especially didn't like the 2nd term spending of George W., bank bailouts, etc., but honorable? YES. "Crime family?" Same as the Clintons?? Not a chance.
Edited to add: It's the argument about how eeeeevil George W. Bush was that's "yesterday's argument."
Really? What about Prescott Bush Sr laundering Nazi money during WW-2,or Poppy accepting the VP slot so he had a chance of being elected once Reagan left office so he could overturn Reaganism?
I will grant you that Boy Jorge most likely was an innocent that was manipulated by his handlers,but practically the first thing he did after taking office was to shut down all the criminal investigations into the Clinton presidency. This means that Clinton got away with selling nuclear sub missile and propeller technology to China,amongst other things.
Now we have JEB,who happens to be the only member if his immediate family that hasn't been arrested. Both of his sons,his daughter,and his wife all have arrest records.
That doesn't make them a crime family though,does it?
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I put that in and got the top 3 including a blog that mentioned the possibility of Bush signing the AWB if sent to him, A NY Times article on the Brady Bill, and a fact-check article on whether Obama flip-flopped on gun control. Seriously, if you have a single credible source, why not just post it? I don't think anyone here has a problem posting links to support their positions.
I have no intention of posting links for you or anyone else. Why should I when they are out there for you to find as easily as me? The time I waste on that crap for people that honestly don't give a damn and wouldn't if they saw it done on live tv can be better used doing other things.
AND....at least one of the first three links didn't "mention the possibility" of him signing the AWB. It quoted him directly and he was stating a FACT that he would sign it if sent to him.
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NO! 11513 It's still moving...
But only because we keep hitting it!
**nononono*
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I have no intention of posting links for you or anyone else. Why should I when they are out there for you to find as easily as me? The time I waste on that crap for people that honestly don't give a damn and wouldn't if they saw it done on live tv can be better used doing other things.
AND....at least one of the first three links didn't "mention the possibility" of him signing the AWB. It quoted him directly and he was stating a FACT that he would sign it if sent to him.
And yet I posted links for you, lol. I'm sure you understand the difference between the possibility of signing the AWB bill and signing any gun control bill sent to him. But I do notice you actually did a search as you told us we would find 5,350,000 results..:pondering:
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My take away from all of this:
1. Bush did some good things and some bad things
2. No more Bushs or Clintons.
Can we move on now?
I get that, but here's an equally salient point.
Jeb Bush's record as Governor of Florida is the strongest conservative record in the field of candidates today. The man not only talked about being a conservative but he governed as a pro-life, pro Second Amendment fiscal conservative, who created jobs and cut both taxes and the size of the State government.
So, to simply discard him as a candidate because of his last name makes as little sense as supporting a candidate for the Presidency because of the color of their skin or their gender.
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And yet I posted links for you, lol. I'm sure you understand the difference between the possibility of signing the AWB bill and signing any gun control bill sent to him. But I do notice you actually did a search as you told us we would find 5,350,000 results..:pondering:
The only difference is it was only a possibility because he never got the chance to sign it. He also said he would sign ANY gun control bill that Congress passed and sent him to sign. THERE is where the possibility that he and his handlers thought they could be "almost pregnant" because he would then be free to sign any gun control bill short of actual confiscation,which he and everyone else knew wasn't going to happen at that time. It might happen in the future,but it wasn't going to happen then.
And now I am done with this thread. I have better things to do with my time.
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The only difference is it was only a possibility because he never got the chance to sign it. He also said he would sign ANY gun control bill that Congress passed and sent him to sign THERE is where the possibility that he and his handlers thought they could be "almost pregnant" because he would then be free to sign any gun control bill short of actual confiscation,which he and everyone else knew wasn't going to happen at that time. It might happen in the future,but it wasn't going to happen then.
And now I am done with this thread. I have better things to do with my time.
He said no such thing, ever.
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Jeb Bush's record as Governor of Florida is the strongest conservative record in the field of candidates today. The man not only talked about being a conservative but he governed as a pro-life, pro Second Amendment fiscal conservative, who created jobs and cut both taxes and the size of the State government.
You're right, he had an extraordinarily successful record of governing as a conservative. Sure wish he'd remember Reagan's 11th commandment, though.
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You're right, he had an extraordinarily successful record of governing as a conservative. Sure wish he'd remember Reagan's 11th commandment, though.
When he was living by it, he was accused of being low energy and not really wanting the nomination because he wasn't aggressive enough.
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When he was living by it, he was accused of being low energy and not really wanting the nomination because he wasn't aggressive enough.
Well, that was Trump. He's certainly entitled to fight back against Trump (who isn't a real Republican anyway). But his Right to Rise PAC has spent millions tarring Rubio, Kasich, Christie. I'm finding it increasingly difficult supporting the man - and by all rights I should be the sort of main street conservative who'd ordinarily be in his corner.
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AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
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Well, that was Trump. He's certainly entitled to fight back against Trump (who isn't a real Republican anyway). But his Right to Rise PAC has spent millions tarring Rubio, Kasich, Christie. I'm finding it increasingly difficult supporting the man - and by all rights I should be the sort of main street conservative who'd ordinarily be in his corner.
Yeah... it's a diffcult cycle.
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AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
You know, you could just not click on the link.
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You know, you could just not click on the link.
No, not correct. Everytime someone posts something on this thread, I get a notification.
Y'all could just quit beating the dead horse.
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No, not correct. Everytime someone posts something on this thread, I get a notification.
Y'all could just quit beating the dead horse.
I LIKE beating on dead horses.
They complain way less than live ones.
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I LIKE beating on dead horse.
They complain way less than live ones.
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n151/hagemangroup/%20it%20was%20justified_zpsykerdi6i.png)
Completely Justified, IMHO! :laugh:
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He said no such thing, ever.
You go ahead and keep believing that if that's what it takes to make you happy.
It's a moot point now anyhow,since he will never again be President.
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Gues what,Bubba? I don't work for you and I don't respond to YOUR BS claims in defense of scum like the Bush Crime Family.
Nor am I responsible for your ignorance and lack of attention.
Can't back up your assertion so you respond with indignant anger. How Trump like.
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You go ahead and keep believing that if that's what it takes to make you happy.
It's a moot point now anyhow,since he will never again be President.
Two pretty adept researchers took the time to see if what you said was true and neither could find any proof of it, and you won't provide any proof yourself.
You lied.
He said no such thing, ever.
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Two pretty adept researchers took the time to see if what you said was true and neither could find any proof of it, and you won't provide any proof yourself.
You lied.
He said no such thing, ever.
Don't blame ME for your incompetence. You ignored this stuff when it was in the news 10 years ago,and are still ignoring it.
In real life,you would call me a liar of one time and I would change your life. Here you can get away with that because you have been here longer than me,and suck up to the moderators. If I responded in kind I would be banned despite you being the one that started the personal attacks. People like you really piss me off.
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Don't blame ME for your incompetence. You ignored this stuff when it was in the news 10 years ago,and are still ignoring it.
In real life,you would call me a liar of one time and I would change your life. Here you can get away with that because you have been here longer than me,and suck up to the moderators. If I responded in kind I would be banned despite you being the one that started the personal attacks. People like you really piss me off.
Don't be pissed. Prove us wrong. You found 5 billion hits to "Bush wants to disarm Texas" or some such silly crap. Show me 2 links.
As far as Luis being a suck up to the moderators? You go ahead and keep believing that if that's what it takes to make you happy.
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Don't be pissed. Prove us wrong. You found 5 billion hits to "Bush wants to disarm Texas" or some such silly crap. Show me 2 links.
As far as Luis being a suck up to the moderators? You go ahead and keep believing that if that's what it takes to make you happy.
Now you are lying. It was 5 MILLION.
And I have not been hired to teach retards how to find links. Find them yourself. Other people had no trouble.
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And I have not been hired to teach retards how to find links.
You're a people person aren't you?
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Now you are lying. It was 5 MILLION.
And I have not been hired to teach retards how to find links. Find them yourself. Other people had no trouble.
You're lying.
There are no such links and Bush never said any such thing.
In real life, I'd make you my bitch.
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What a nice thread. Feel the love.
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You're lying.
There are no such links and Bush never said any such thing.
In real life, I'd make you my bitch.
Damn Luis.... spitting up orange juice out of my nose burns! :laugh:
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Always great when our "finest" members can drive a thread into ruin...