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Wait....

I have been retired from the oil industry a decade and a half, but I seem to remember that at the time that there was only one refinery in the United States that had the ability to process the sour (sulfur) crude that Venezuela produces.    Citgo in Lake Charles, Louisiana.

Maybe something has changed or someplants  retrofitted, but that was problem all along.  Too much sulfur in the crude for US to process.
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Sounds good and all that, and should alleviate some needed supply issues for our refinery feedstock.

Still, for longer term, I have doubts it will be preserved.  World history demonstrates oil companies will fail to have their contracts honored by host countries.

They have already been burned 2X by Venezuela, and exactly how will the US back them up? Militarily seems a non-starter as we know the fervor Venezuelans can have.

And subsequent administrations will most likely not so adamently pursue.

Don't want to dwell on negatives.

A present boon for the US.
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Wait....

I have been retired from the oil industry a decade and a half, but I seem to remember that at the time that there was only one refinery in the United States that had the ability to process the sour (sulfur) crude that Venezuela produces.    Citgo in Lake Charles, Louisiana.

Maybe something has changed or someplants  retrofitted, but that was problem all along.  Too much sulfur in the crude for US to process.
If true we have few plants to process sulfur, we can always swap crude with those that do.
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US Gulf refineries ready to run Venezuelan crude

HOUSTON, Jan 7 (Reuters) - Refineries along the U.S. Gulf Coast from Corpus Christi, Texas to Pascagoula, Mississippi are configured to run the heavy sour, corrosive crude oil produced by Venezuela that President Donald Trump plans to sell in the U.S., following the capture last weekend of Nicolas Maduro.
Beginning in the 1990s, refiners reconfigured their plants with increased coking capacity and upgraded steel to be able to process growing supply from producers of dense, high-sulfur crude, like Venezuela, Mexico and Ecuador. ...

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That's coking units for you nimrods.  wink777
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Ro Khanna: Trump Taking Venezuelan Oil Is ‘Morally Wrong’

Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) said Friday on MS NOW’s “All In” that President Donald Trump’s agreement giving the U.S. majority control over more than 65 billion barrels of Venezuelan’s oil reserves is “morally wrong.”

Host Chris Hayes said, “I want to Host Chris Hayes said, “I want to ask you about something he said today. He just announced that having abducted a president of that country, that we are now going to essentially get all their oil reserves. This is a huge deal. And we’ve now taken over, essentially, Venezuelan oil reserves. Do you think there’s still like a core of anti-imperial civic culture in this country, in which just people understand there’s something wrong about abducting a country’s leader to take their oil?”

Khanna said, “Sad to see. It’s like we’ve rolled back the clock 100 years. Yeah, the era of gunboat diplomacy and, you know, the history. So what we did in Guatemala, what we did in El Salvador, what we did in Haiti, but it’s wrong. It’s wrong to have a colonial model of the world. I mean, my grandfather was in jail twice fighting for British independence. And it was FDR who pushed Churchill to decolonize. And I thought America, had stood for decolonization. Trump is rolling it all back because he simply believes in a world where might makes right, where you take what you can. And we need to oppose it on moral grounds. It’s not just that it’s strategically wrong. It’s morally wrong. It’s not what America should be, given our principles.”

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As long as oil prices stay up I'm ok with it....
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Why do you believe there is a problem here?
When oil prices go sub $50 no one can make any money.  The price of any oil field service is insane now.  For instance a logging job we did last week cost us $2500 a couple of years ago and now it's $7200.  This logging company is barely making it even at those prices.  If prices fall, they are toast.  They are basically locked in on these prices, as their labor, insurance, maintenance costs are pretty well fixed.
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When oil prices go sub $50 no one can make any money.  The price of any oil field service is insane now.  For instance a logging job we did last week cost us $2500 a couple of years ago and now it's $7200.  This logging company is barely making it even at those prices.  If prices fall, they are toast.  They are basically locked in on these prices, as their labor, insurance, maintenance costs are pretty well fixed.
When oil prices go south people scale back drilling wells and/or fraccing, or at least in all but the most profitable areas.

Oil companies do not stop operating or producing.

Are you suggesting operating costs are $50/bbl?

If so, I challenge you on that one, as even average operating costs are far less than $50/bbl.
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If so, I challenge you on that one, as even average operating costs are far less than $50/bbl.

Interested in showing data on that.  I would say that $70.00 a barrel for WTI is the sweet spot for long term production and price per gallon for fuel.
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When oil prices go south people scale back drilling wells and/or fraccing, or at least in all but the most profitable areas.

Oil companies do not stop operating or producing.

Are you suggesting operating costs are $50/bbl?

If so, I challenge you on that one, as even average operating costs are far less than $50/bbl.
Our operating costs are well below that, BUT we will not drill a well below $50 as it's just not worth it.  Sadly, we are the most active operator in this part of Texas as everyone else has retired, closed up shop, etc. 

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When oil prices go south people scale back drilling wells and/or fraccing, or at least in all but the most profitable areas.

Oil companies do not stop operating or producing.

Are you suggesting operating costs are $50/bbl?

If so, I challenge you on that one, as even average operating costs are far less than $50/bbl.
It isn't the operating costs alone, but the $10 million or so it costs to drill and complete (including frac) the well that has to be recouped that adds to what the price that needs to be for the well to be profitable.
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It isn't the operating costs alone, but the $10 million or so it costs to drill and complete (including frac) the well that has to be recouped that adds to what the price that needs to be for the well to be profitable.
I understand that.  He said no one will make any money below $50/b.

That is erroneous as capital is scaled back at lower crude prices and profit remains for the operator on existing production.

A bit dated, but graph 11 shows the differentials across US basins which average between $10/b to $20/b
https://incorrys.com/videos/NorthAmericanOilCost-October2024.pdf
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Filling up the Strategic Reserves is needed and a very smart move.

Perhaps gas prices will start to go down right before the mid terms   :whistle: 
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Filling up the Strategic Reserves is needed and a very smart move.

Perhaps gas prices will start to go down right before the mid terms   :whistle:
Doubt they will go down next 3 months, as what Trump proposes is improving infrastructure and more wells.  That takes time.

And everyone else will be building up reserves as well. Not just US.
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Doubt they will go down next 3 months, as what Trump proposes is improving infrastructure and more wells.  That takes time.

And everyone else will be building up reserves as well. Not just US.
Chevron says will take 5 years to ramp up production.
https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-chevron-trump-oil-4d77fa9a9d53fc8693a242fbbb07fcef

Don't hold your breath to have oil prices fall this year on the basis of this deal.
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Chevron says will take 5 years to ramp up production.
https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-chevron-trump-oil-4d77fa9a9d53fc8693a242fbbb07fcef

Don't hold your breath to have oil prices fall this year on the basis of this deal.

Or .....  Just in time for the next dim (socialist) POTUS Congress who will resume the trend toward banning fossil fuels. 
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Trump, Venezuelan Oil, and National Security

The core attributes of any energy source are reliability, cost, and security. Gaining control of Venezuela’s vast oil reserves advances each of those attributes for the benefit of America and Americans.

William R. Hawkins | September 4, 2026

What President Donald Trump called “the biggest oil deal in world history” when it was announced last week is not the only highly favorable deal his administration has made with the “interim authorities” in Venezuela. Last May, it was announced that the global commodities firm Mercuria Energy Group had secured outtake agreements covering much of Venezuela’s extensive mineral holdings. Gold grabbed the headlines, but nickel, aluminum, coltan, and other critical minerals essential for electric vehicles, artificial intelligence, and modern defense systems are the real strategic gains to ensure more secure supply chains for American manufacturing. While private capital is essential for developing these resources, the true direction is coming from the U.S. government to make sure our country benefits. This is the purpose of the National Energy Dominance Council created by President Trump with an eye on the rivalry for control of global resources that is driving plans in Beijing and Moscow as well as in Washington. The Treasury Department will exercise oversight of all transactions.

The oil deal with Venezuela takes this oversight even further. Under the agreement, North American Blue Energy Partners (NABEP), a privately held oil company that is the second-largest private Venezuelan oil producer, was given a 100-year concessions for 17 oil fields with proven reserves of approximately 65 billion barrels. In turn, NABEP “granted the U.S. Department of War’s Office of Strategic Capital a 35% equity stake in its corporate parent, representing up to hundreds of billions in value and dividends for the United States.” This is called “golden shares” and has been common in many other countries to secure strategic assets for the national interest. Golden shares give governments veto power over corporate actions that could jeopardize economic or national security or move productive assets out of the country and into foreign hands. President Trump first used this measure in the merger of U.S. Steel and Nippon Steel to mandate that American steelmaking capacity would not be moved overseas.

Golden shares have been denounced as “protectionist” by globalists who want the freedom to operate without regard to national consequences. However, we have experienced the grim decades when the globalist ideology held sway in Washington, and huge sections of the nation’s industrial base were allowed to be moved overseas. We became dependent on untrustworthy “others” and hamstrung in mobilizing in a crisis. We are in dire need of “protectionism” both to rebuild core capabilities and create new ones. Foreign governments also complain that their interests are harmed, as China has done in regard to the Venezuela oil deal. But the U.S. government is properly concerned first and foremost with the protection of national interests. Given the rivalry between America and China, Beijing’s objections are only another indicator of the success of President Trump’s policies.

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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2026/09/trump-venezuelan-oil-and-national-security/
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