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This thread should be titled "How to lose elections"

First, have a president tell  Americans who are already facing financial difficulties they should be ok with  paying  more for gas due to a war they never supported in the first place

Then, go back to the previous administration in an attempt to defend the current one

After that, blame Americans for their financial situation and say  they should just go without things they enjoy

Top it off by going back to energy crisis of  the late 1970's

All winning messages a little over  two months before a midterm :thud:

The midterms are going to be ugly. It wouldn't surprise me if the Democrats also took the Senate this year
Let's make one thing perfectly clear here: THE PRESIDENT IS NOT ON THE BALLOT. He is a lame duck who, I would hope, will never be on the ballot again.

And let me remind you of one other thing: Trump's loyalties are to himself. He made that blatantly clear in the 2016 and 2024 primaries, when he slandered anyone who got in his way. He is not a loyal Republican, he is a narcissist who used the Republican Party to serve his own interests. Voters remember that. If there is one instance where trying to tie the President to being the titular head of a party he so blatantly stabbed in the back multiple times for his own ego isn't going to work, it's this one.

Voters also see what is becoming of the Democrats. The DSA influence, the radicalization, the alienation of their own loved ones.
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Let's make one thing perfectly clear here: THE PRESIDENT IS NOT ON THE BALLOT. He is a lame duck who, I would hope, will never be on the ballot again.

And let me remind you of one other thing: Trump's loyalties are to himself. He made that blatantly clear in the 2016 and 2024 primaries, when he slandered anyone who got in his way. He is not a loyal Republican, he is a narcissist who used the Republican Party to serve his own interests. Voters remember that. If there is one instance where trying to tie the President to being the titular head of a party he so blatantly stabbed in the back multiple times for his own ego isn't going to work, it's this one.

Voters also see what is becoming of the Democrats. The DSA influence, the radicalization, the alienation of their own loved ones.

Wow, tell us how you really feel.  Thanks for venting. Hope it helped.

Us ..Simple Bricklayers would take another 4- 8 years of the best American President since George Washington if we could get it. Even if you do not realize, or accept the fact... you will be worse off when Trump is gone.... far far worse off.
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We should do so again, the greater evil exists in Brussels.

So why isn't Russia invading Belgium?  Instead, they invade the country that just happens to have 5 trillion cubic meters of gas reserves.

Remember, it was Russia that chose to invade Ukraine.  Not Belgium.  Russia.
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So why isn't Russia invading Belgium?  Instead, they invade the country that just happens to have 5 trillion cubic meters of gas reserves.

Remember, it was Russia that chose to invade Ukraine.  Not Belgium.  Russia.

Not invade.. liberate.  Ukraine/Keiv are as Russian as the South was United States.. Putin is the Russian Lincoln I guess. Did Lincoln attack Paris? Like Lincoln chose to invade the South... so too Putin invaded Ukraine.

The CIA/obama/Brussels coup, the Orange Revolution(color revolutions.. where have we heard of that...hmmn"),  of the democratically elected pro Russian government in Kiev.. was the Ft Sumter moment  that lit the fuse of a bomb that was building since NATO's  relentless eastern expansion after the fall of the Soviet Union.

The Russians have legitimate security issues as well. I doubt we would let Mexico join the CCP. Ukraine, is historically, a hell of a lot more a part of Russia , than Mexico is a part of the United States.

Reagan did not even let Cuba build an airstrip on Grenada.. he invaded.. under the guise of liberating a few of our students.
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Not invade.. liberate.

Liberators?.  This is liberation?

Vovchansk



Vuhledar



Andriivka



Mariupol



Chasiv Yar



This is why I hate liars.
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This is why I hate liars.

Ah, a spam post. Then a personal attack... the sign of a weak mind.  :tongue2:   
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Let's make one thing perfectly clear here: THE PRESIDENT IS NOT ON THE BALLOT. He is a lame duck who, I would hope, will never be on the ballot again.

And let me remind you of one other thing: Trump's loyalties are to himself. He made that blatantly clear in the 2016 and 2024 primaries, when he slandered anyone who got in his way. He is not a loyal Republican, he is a narcissist who used the Republican Party to serve his own interests. Voters remember that. If there is one instance where trying to tie the President to being the titular head of a party he so blatantly stabbed in the back multiple times for his own ego isn't going to work, it's this one.

Voters also see what is becoming of the Democrats. The DSA influence, the radicalization, the alienation of their own loved ones.

I love this.  I’d repeat it all for myself.

While I don’t quite think Trump is as great or evil as his lovers/haters think, I do suspect Trump is actually a Dem plant.  Even if he doesn’t know it.

Honestly he’s the antithesis of just about everything we’re supposed to stand for.

That I happen to agree with some of his policies, is just convenient.
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Not invade.. liberate.  Ukraine/Keiv are as Russian as the South was United States.. Putin is the Russian Lincoln I guess. Did Lincoln attack Paris? Like Lincoln chose to invade the South... so too Putin invaded Ukraine.

The CIA/obama/Brussels coup, the Orange Revolution(color revolutions.. where have we heard of that...hmmn"),  of the democratically elected pro Russian government in Kiev.. was the Ft Sumter moment  that lit the fuse of a bomb that was building since NATO's  relentless eastern expansion after the fall of the Soviet Union.

The Russians have legitimate security issues as well. I doubt we would let Mexico join the CCP. Ukraine, is historically, a hell of a lot more a part of Russia , than Mexico is a part of the United States.

Reagan did not even let Cuba build an airstrip on Grenada.. he invaded.. under the guise of liberating a few of our students.

So, you equate what Putin did in Ukraine with what Lincoln did here. Thanks for the explanation. See ya around if someone happens to quote you somewhere.

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So, you equate what Putin did in Ukraine with what Lincoln did here. Thanks for the explanation. See ya around if someone happens to quote you somewhere.



I would say it is comparable yes. Only in Russia's case it was externally provoked. The War between the States was more endemic.. that is homegrown.

Lincoln , Putin... bombed/shelled out cities after the civilian population left and armed forces faught vrs Sherman's march to the sea....  hell, even Putin is not doing that... a specifically targeted campaign against civilians.

The March to the Sea, the most destructive campaign against a civilian population during the Civil War (1861-65), began in Atlanta on November 15, 1864, and concluded in Savannah on December 21, 1864. Union general William T. Sherman abandoned his supply line and marched across Georgia to the Atlantic Ocean to prove to the Confederate population that its government could not protect the people from invaders. He practiced psychological warfare; he believed that by marching an army across the state he would demonstrate to the world that the Union had a power the Confederacy could not resist.

Sherman’s goal was to “make Georgia howl.” “We are not only fighting hostile armies, but a hostile people, and we must make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war.” The hard war was here for Georgia. “We cannot change the hearts and minds of those people of the South, but we can make war so terrible . . . [and] make them so sick of war that generations would pass away before they would again appeal to it.” Sherman contended that the United States and its representatives had the right to “remove and destroy every obstacle if need be, take every life, every acre of land, every particle of property, everything that to us seems proper [and] that all who do not aid are enemies, and we will not account to them for our acts.”



Atlanta, and other cities looked like those pictures posted.... only there were actual civilians there when Sherman did Lincolns bidding. One seems worse than the other to me.. and it ain't the Russians.

UN estimates of civilians killed in Ukraine.. 16,000 .. in the south during the civil war 50,000.

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Not invade.. liberate.  Ukraine/Keiv are as Russian as the South was United States.. Putin is the Russian Lincoln I guess. Did Lincoln attack Paris? Like Lincoln chose to invade the South... so too Putin invaded Ukraine.

Last time I checked my history book, it was the South that started the Civil War by firing first on Fort Sumter.  And is this your idea of liberation?



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The CIA/obama/Brussels coup, the Orange Revolution(color revolutions.. where have we heard of that...hmmn"),




Hundreds of thousands of CIA agents, apparently.

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of the democratically elected pro Russian government in Kiev..


You mean this guy, who abandoned his job in the middle of the night?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzG6V4PSfa0

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Ukrainian MPs vote to oust President Yanukovych

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26304842

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was the Ft Sumter moment


Ridiculous.

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that lit the fuse of a bomb that was building since NATO's  relentless eastern expansion after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Uh, you do realize that NATO is a defensive alliance and member states have to ASK to join, right?

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The Russians have legitimate security issues as well.

Yeah, can't have those pesky Georgians or Armenians invading, now can we?

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I doubt we would let Mexico join the CCP.

Straw man.

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Ukraine, is historically, a hell of a lot more a part of Russia , than Mexico is a part of the United States.

More Putin puffing nonsense.

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Reagan did not even let Cuba build an airstrip on Grenada.. he invaded.. under the guise of liberating a few of our students.

You mean that air strip that the Soviets intended to base TU-22 Backfire nuclear armed bombers?

I'll leave this right here for you...

http://www.youtube.com/shorts/54cgb7hHnSM
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And we are shipping arms to Ukraine, as well as providing targeting ... it is a war that need not be from either side. How much veracity from NBC .. meh :shrug: the Left and NeoCons both want Russia and the USA to be at war.  The One World Odor has a lot of propaganda.

Make peace with Russia, quit arming the Ukrainian proxy of the One Worlders.  Join forces and quit being played as fools for the Marxist-left.

Russia is not our real enemy. The left/Brussels is.
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You mean that air strip that the Soviets intended to base TU-22 Backfire nuclear armed bombers?

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You sure do spam a lot.  We have moved nukes into Poland, would move them into Ukraine as soon as possible. Why would the Soviets not do the same to us.

Why would Russia not have the same right to defend their backyard, that we claim in our own backyard?

We do not have to be enemies with Russia.. that is 1980 non-sense that the Neocons and One(New) World Odor continue to propagate. Normalize relations with Russia, make alliance and the Free World will be far better off. Then the Communist/Marxist-Fascist in Brussels and the CCP can be opposed.

Quit being played the fool. 1980 wants their cold war back.
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I would say it is comparable yes.

So Putin is the new Lincoln, right?   :silly:

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Only in Russia's case it was externally provoked.

Ah, so it was the U.S.' fault that Russia attacked and tried to gobble up Ukraine?

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Lincoln , Putin... bombed/shelled out cities after the civilian population left and armed forces faught vrs Sherman's march to the sea.... 

The Union Army did NOT slaughter the Southern civilian population enmasse, period.

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hell, even Putin is not doing that... a specifically targeted campaign against civilians.

Really?



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The March to the Sea, the most destructive campaign against a civilian population during the Civil War (1861-65),

So how many Southern civilians did Sherman's troops actually kill during that march?

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Atlanta, and other cities looked like those pictures posted.... only there were actual civilians there when Sherman did Lincolns bidding.

Hood burned Atlanta, not Sherman, and it was also the Confederates themselves who burned Richmond while they were evacuating the city.

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One seems worse than the other to me.. and it ain't the Russians.

Again, how many Southern civilians did Lincoln kill compared to how many Ukrainians Putin has killed?

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UN estimates of civilians killed in Ukraine.. 16,000 ..

Low ball, by far, because they don't count those killed behind Russian lines in Donetsk and Luhansk.

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in the south during the civil war 50,000.

Nearly all by endemic disease, especially malaria, typhoid, and small pox, so again your comparison fails.

Are you really trying to show that Putin is a great guy and Russians are A-OK?  You expect people to buy that craziness?
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You sure do spam a lot.  We have moved nukes into Poland, would move them into Ukraine as soon as possible. Why would the Soviets not do the same to us.

Why would Russia not have the same right to defend their backyard, that we claim in our own backyard?

We do not have to be enemies with Russia.. that is 1980 non-sense that the Neocons and One(New) World Odor continue to propagate. Normalize relations with Russia, make alliance and the Free World will be far better off. Then the Communist/Marxist-Fascist in Brussels and the CCP can be opposed.

Quit being played the fool. 1980 wants their cold war back.

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I see you are still posting your lies. Never said Lincoln was a communist.  Just more of your dishonorable personality coming out for all to see.

Enjoy the last word, as I am headed to bed.   BTW, when you do the line by line format in your posting.. it is both unreadable and childish.. nothing more than board spam.   That fell out of favor in the early 2000's by any serious commentators. It is so 7th grade, you are not making the points you think you are.

Try actually writing a rebuttal, if you can.
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Not invade.. liberate.  Ukraine/Keiv are as Russian as the South was United States.. Putin is the Russian Lincoln I guess. Did Lincoln attack Paris? Like Lincoln chose to invade the South... so too Putin invaded Ukraine.

The CIA/obama/Brussels coup, the Orange Revolution(color revolutions.. where have we heard of that...hmmn"),  of the democratically elected pro Russian government in Kiev.. was the Ft Sumter moment  that lit the fuse of a bomb that was building since NATO's  relentless eastern expansion after the fall of the Soviet Union..

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US campaign behind the turmoil in Kiev
The Guardian/UK, Thu 25 Nov 2004

With their websites and stickers, their pranks and slogans aimed at banishing widespread fear of a corrupt regime, the democracy guerrillas of the Ukrainian Pora youth movement have already notched up a famous victory - whatever the outcome of the dangerous stand-off in Kiev.

Ukraine, traditionally passive in its politics, has been mobilised by the young democracy activists and will never be the same again.

But while the gains of the orange-bedecked "chestnut revolution" are Ukraine's, the campaign is an American creation, a sophisticated and brilliantly conceived exercise in western branding and mass marketing that, in four countries in four years, has been used to try to salvage rigged elections and topple unsavoury regimes.

Funded and organised by the US government, deploying US consultancies, pollsters, diplomats, the two big American parties and US non-government organisations, the campaign was first used in Europe in Belgrade in 2000 to beat Slobodan Milosevic at the ballot box.

More:  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa.

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Short video on the outbreak of the current war in 2014:

https://youtu.be/YmjM8mnJv6M?si=iDWP4UEew2jcJww2

http://youtu.be/YmjM8mnJv6M?si=iDWP4UEew2jcJww2



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Short video on the outbreak of the current war in 2014:

https://youtu.be/YmjM8mnJv6M?si=iDWP4UEew2jcJww2

Fast-forward to the 8:58 mark.  That is the point where Russia unilaterally decided to invade Ukraine.

Belgium was not mentioned.
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Putin's Man in Crimea Is Ukraine's Worst Nightmare

Simon Shuster  |  Mar 10, 2014  |  6:33 PM CT


A month ago, when Ukraine’s old regime was just starting to crack under the pressure of a revolution, few people in the country had ever heard of Sergei Aksyonov. He was then a marginal figure even in the local politics of the region of Crimea. His Russian Unity party had only three seats in the regional legislature and no representation anywhere else. But that has not stopped him from taking charge. In late January, as the protesters in Kiev began seizing government buildings, Aksyonov started to form an army on the Crimean peninsula. Now he is the de facto leader of the entire region, a post that has thrust him into the center of the most dire political crisis Europe has confronted in years.

From the beginning, the stated aim of his paramilitary force was to defend against the revolutionary wave that was sweeping across Ukraine and, ultimately, to break away from the country entirely. Its first battalion of 700 men came from the youth group of Aksyonov’s political party, and as he continued calling in the proceeding weeks for a “full scale mobilization,” hundreds of others joined his Crimean self-defense brigades. By Feb. 21, the day the Kiev uprising toppled the Ukrainian government, Aksyonov was in command of several thousand troops. “All of them,” he says, “answer to me.”  .  .  .

.  .  .  So far, the most revealing aspect of his time in power has been the way he came to possess it. Before dawn on Feb. 27, at least two dozen heavily armed men stormed the Crimean parliament building and the nearby headquarters of the regional government, bringing with them a cache of assault rifles and rocket propelled grenades. A few hours later, Aksyonov walked into the parliament and, after a brief round of talks with the gunmen, began to gather a quorum of the chamber’s lawmakers.

It is not clear whether the parliament was seized that day on his orders. On the one hand, the masked gunmen identified themselves as members of Crimea’s “self-defense forces,” all of which are, according to Aksyonov, directly under his control. On the other, he claims the seizure of the buildings was done “spontaneously” by a mysterious group of fighters. “We only knew that these were Russian nationalist forces,” he tells TIME in an interview Sunday. “These were people who share our Russian ideology. So if they wanted to kill someone, they would have killed the nightwatchmen who were inside.”

Instead, they let the guards go, sealed the doors and only allowed the lawmakers whom Aksyonov invited to enter the building. Various media accounts have disputed whether he was able to gather a quorum of 50 of his peers before the session convened that day, and some Crimean legislators who were registered as present have said they did not come near the building. In any case, those who did arrive could hardly have voted their conscience while pro-Russian gunmen stood in the wings with rocket launchers. Both of the votes held that day were unanimous. The first appointed Aksyonov, a rookie statesman with less than four years experience as a local parliamentarian, as the new Prime Minister of Crimea. The second vote called for a referendum on the peninsula’s secession from Ukraine.

https://time.com/19097/putin-crimea-russia-ukraine-aksyonov/



And that, boys and girls, is how Russia took Crimea.  With Kalashnikovs and RPGs.
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Fast-forward to the 8:58 mark.  That is the point where Russia unilaterally decided to invade Ukraine.

After the citizens of Crimea and Donbas overwhelming voted to formally join Russia, Russia was invited to help protect them against the resulting military invasion by Kiev.  It could just as easily be claimed Russia moved to protect its sovereign interests as is said Russia unilaterally invaded Ukraine.

However, had Western powers not spent the next 8 years escalating the death and destruction in the Donbas regions --- and inciting Moscow with a drumbeat for Ukrainian EU and NATO memberships, there could well be a Ukrainian male between 16 and 80 still standing.  :shrug:

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Let's make one thing perfectly clear here: THE PRESIDENT IS NOT ON THE BALLOT. He is a lame duck who, I would hope, will never be on the ballot again.

And let me remind you of one other thing: Trump's loyalties are to himself. He made that blatantly clear in the 2016 and 2024 primaries, when he slandered anyone who got in his way. He is not a loyal Republican, he is a narcissist who used the Republican Party to serve his own interests. Voters remember that. If there is one instance where trying to tie the President to being the titular head of a party he so blatantly stabbed in the back multiple times for his own ego isn't going to work, it's this one.

Voters also see what is becoming of the Democrats. The DSA influence, the radicalization, the alienation of their own loved ones.


I paid $4.29 for gas yesterday. No… I am not willing to pay a little bit more for his war and neither are most Americans.


The Iranians are going to  do something right before the midterms to further weaken an already weakened president. They don’t have to win  by military means. They know they can’t. They just have to keep on doing what they’re doing.


This president knows he’s failing. He’s been  lashing out more and becoming very erratic


The Iranian leadership knows this too. So do the Chinese and the Russians


I’m not too worried about the midterms as government will be divided enough that we’ll probably just end up with two years of gridlock

However, Donald Trump could very well usher  in a  left leaning president in 2028.

His ultimate downfall is gonna be his inability to accept realities that are uncomfortable for him

And he may be starting to find out that being a challenger to an unpopular administration is easy


Not so much when he is  the unpopular administration

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After the citizens of Crimea and Donbas overwhelming voted to formally join Russia, Russia was invited to help protect them against the resulting military invasion by Kiev.

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« Reply #222 on: Wednesday, Aug 19, 2026 06:35 am »

I paid $4.29 for gas yesterday. No… I am not willing to pay a little bit more for his war and neither are most Americans.

The Iranians are going to  do something right before the midterms to further weaken an already weakened president. They don’t have to win  by military means. They know they can’t. They just have to keep on doing what they’re doing.

This president knows he’s failing. He’s been  lashing out more and becoming very erratic

The Iranian leadership knows this too. So do the Chinese and the Russians

I’m not too worried about the midterms as government will be divided enough that we’ll probably just end up with two years of gridlock

However, Donald Trump could very well usher  in a  left leaning president in 2028.

His ultimate downfall is gonna be his inability to accept realities that are uncomfortable for him

And he may be starting to find out that being a challenger to an unpopular administration is easy
 
Not so much when he is  the unpopular administration

How much are you willing to pay to not be hit by Iranian ICBMs with nukes? Cheap gas now, nukes later?
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How much are you willing to pay to not be hit by Iranian ICBMs with nukes? Cheap gas now, nukes later?

Spot on... that is it in a concise statement. Well done.   :beer:

Everything else is BS.. mostly TDS BS.   
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How much are you willing to pay to not be hit by Iranian ICBMs with nukes? Cheap gas now, nukes later?

More Israel's problem than ours no? And well, being stuck in a perpetual bombing campaign while supposedly proventing Iran's maybe/maybe not nukes for the rest of eternity, with elevated gas prices, doesn't exactly thrill me. Is there any evidence the air campaign is doing anything?

Trump shoudl have just let Israel take care of Iran. Give them what they want, they are more than capable. Why do we need to be the world's policeman, Bob? That's not in our consitution.

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More Israel's problem than ours no? And well, being stuck in a perpetual bombing campaign while supposedly proventing Iran's maybe/maybe not nukes for the rest of eternity, with elevated gas prices, doesn't exactly thrill me. Is there any evidence the air campaign is doing anything?

Trump shoudl have just let Israel take care of Iran. Give them what they want, they are more than capable. Why do we need to be the world's policeman, Bob? That's not in our consitution.

If they have ICBM's with nukes that can reach the CONUS, I'd say that's a direct national interest.
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How much are you willing to pay to not be hit by Iranian ICBMs with nukes? Cheap gas now, nukes later?

I’m way more concerned about dirty bombs to tell you the truth.
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« Reply #227 on: Wednesday, Aug 19, 2026 10:16 am »
I’m way more concerned about dirty bombs to tell you the truth.

I'm partial to dirty blonds myself.... my bad, thought we were talkin''Bout something else.

Iran has the ballistic missiles to hit all of Europe, it is not much of a step from that to hitting the US directly. All they need is a nuke, Trump has stopped them.. for now.
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Instead of playing world policeman maybe we'd be better off developing some sort of BM defense of some sort, like Reagan's idea.

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Instead of playing world policeman maybe we'd be better off developing some sort of BM defense of some sort, like Reagan's idea.

That certainly would be an ideal situation when the tech guarantees a 100% success rate. It only takes one nuke tipped missile to get thru to kill millions.

As our efforts against Iran have shown, our best tech cannot stop 100% of what Iran is launching now. Even Israel, who is ahead of us in this cannot stop 100% of the missiles and the lives of their people depend on it.

Until then, the only 100% effective solution to insure places like NY, DC.. London don't get nuked by an apocalyptic ideology is to insure they do not develop nukes in the first place. The MAD strategy only works with sane people.

That is what Trump is doing, even if it cost an election. That is principled leadership.. what real leaders should, but seldom do.
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After the citizens of Crimea and Donbas overwhelming voted to formally join Russia, Russia was invited to help protect them against the resulting military invasion by Kiev

Please stop lying.  Please.  Those votes were orchestrated by Russia AFTER Russia invaded.  They even allowed Russian citizens living in Russia to vote in them.  But then you knew that already.



Putin says plan to take Crimea hatched before referendum

March 9, 2015  |  9:07 AM CDT


MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin has said he ordered officials to start work on taking control of Crimea weeks before a referendum which, the Kremlin has asserted until now, prompted the region's annexation from Ukraine.

Russian state television channel Rossiya-1 aired a brief extract of an interview in which Putin said he had called an emergency meeting in February last year to discuss the overthrow of Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich hours earlier.

Yanukovich, a Russian ally, had fled to the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk after being forced out by anti-government protests.

"He would have been just annihilated... We got ready to get him out of Donetsk by land, by sea and by air," Putin said about his meeting in the Kremlin with commanders of special forces and defense ministry officials.

"This was on the night of Feb. 22 through to Feb. 23. We finished around 7 in the morning. And, while saying goodbye, I told all the colleagues: 'We have to start the work on Crimea's return into Russia'."

This account, broadcast on Sunday, appeared to be at odds with previous assertions from Russian officials that the annexation decision was taken only after the referendum on March 16, when Crimeans voted to become part of the Russian Federation.

The virtually bloodless seizure of Crimea - a Black Sea peninsula with an ethnic Russian majority and where Moscow has a naval base - was followed by a pro-Moscow insurgency in the east of Ukraine.  .  .

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-putin-crimea-idUSKBN0M51DG20150309/





Similar elections took place in Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia in 1940.  This isn't the first time Russia pulled this off.
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« Reply #231 on: Wednesday, Aug 19, 2026 05:02 pm »
Please stop lying.  Please. 



Good advice, you should take it.

Rueters is your source...  :silly: 
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Rueters is your source...  :silly:

How about Fox News?


Vladimir Putin describes secret meeting when Russia decided to take Crimea

March 9, 2015  |  6:50am EDT


MOSCOW – Russian President Vladimir Putin has described a secret meeting with officials last year when Russia decided it would take Crimea — the Black Sea region Moscow annexed from Ukraine last March.

In a trailer for an upcoming documentary on state-owned television aired late Sunday, Putin said that he met with security officials in February to make plans for saving Ukraine's then-President Viktor Yanukovych, who fled power after months of pro-European protests in the Ukrainian capital.

Putin said that after the meeting he told the security chiefs that they would be "obliged to start working to return Crimea to Russia."

The Kremlin originally denied that it had sent troops into Crimea, but Putin later announced on state television that Russian troops had been sent in.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/vladimir-putin-describes-secret-meeting-when-russia-decided-to-take-crimea
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Putin Recounts How He Gave Orders to ‘Save’ Yanukovych, ‘Return’ Crimea

March 09, 2015  |  11:10 AM


Russian President Vladimir Putin says he ordered security officials in February 2014 to make plans to "save the life" of Viktor Yanukovych, Ukraine's then-president, and to start planning for Russia's annexation of Crimea.

In a trailer aired Sunday on state television channel Rossiya-1 for an upcoming documentary, Putin said he called the officials, including the heads of Russia's security agencies and military, to the Kremlin and ordered them to make preparations to take Yanukovych out of Ukraine, claiming the pro-Russian president would otherwise have been killed.

Yanukovych was forced out of office following a wave of pro-Western opposition demonstrations.

"We prepared to take him right out of Donetsk (where Yanukovych is said to have had gone into hiding after fleeing Kyiv), by land, by sea and air," Putin said, noting that "heavy machine guns were mounted there so that there wouldn't be much discussion about it." Putin said the operation to take Yanukovych out of Ukraine took place over February 22-23, 2014.

Putin said that at the end of the Kremlin meeting, he told the security and military officials: "We are obliged to start working to return Crimea to Russia."

The trailer was shown on state television as the first anniversary of Russia seizure of Crimea from Ukraine approaches. The Black Sea peninsula was officially annexed by Russia on March 21, 2014.  .  .

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Putin's own words.  So who's the liar?
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Putin says he was ready to put Russian nuclear forces on alert over Crimea crisis

March 16, 2015  |  8:32am EDT


Russian President Vladimir Putin has stated that he was ready to put his country's nuclear forces on alert to secure the annexation of the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine last year.

Putin made the comments in a pre-recorded documentary broadcast on Russian state television to mark the one-year anniversary of Moscow's takeover of the Black Sea peninsula. The film featured an interview in which Putin admits "we were ready to do this" when asked about his willingness to ready Russia's nuclear arsenal.  .  .

.  .  .Meanwhile, Russian forces took control of Ukrainian military facilities on the peninsula and a referendum on secession was hastily called. The referendum, which was widely denounced in the West as illegitimate, reportedly brought overwhelming support for secession. The Russian annexation was completed on March 19 of last year.

Putin said his plans for a Crimean operation started after Yanukovych fled.

"We never thought about severing Crimea from Ukraine until the moment that these events began, the government overthrow," he said, repeating Russia's contention that Yanukovych was the victim of a coup.

He said he called for a "closed opinion poll" of sentiments among Crimeans about whether to remain in Ukraine. He didn't give details as to how this survey was conducted, but said "it became clear that 75 percent of the general population desired to join Russia."

Russia initially denied that the unmarked forces who took control in Crimea were Russian, but Putin later admitted they were. In the Sunday documentary, he said he ordered the defense ministry to deploy military intelligence special forces, marines and paratroopers "under the cover of strengthening the protection of our military facilities."  .  .  .

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How about Fox News?




Again, take your own advice.  It is an AP release.. not a Fox News report. All of what two short paragraphs.    :silly:

Do better.

Having said that, it would be proper for Russia to make plans and take action after the overthrow of a democratically elected government .. a pro -Russian one in Ukraine. That unlawful coup/orange revolution instigated , funded and choreographed  by our CIA/obama/And the E.U. Marxist/left in Brussels.  Is what started this war.. we started this.

You make my point.
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Putin: Plans to take control of Crimea began before referendum

9 March 2015 at 3:47pm


Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered for work to start on taking control of Crimea weeks before a referendum which Kremlin officials claimed prompted the region's annexation from Ukraine.

In an interview with Russian state television channel Rossiya-1 broadcast on Sunday, Putin said that the plans were first discussed in February last year during an emergency meeting about the overthrow of Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich.

His account is at odds with previous Kremlin statements that claimed that the annexation decision was taken after the referendum on March 16, when Crimeans voted to become part of the Russian Federation.

This was on the night of Feb. 22 through to Feb. 23. We finished around 7 in the morning. And, while saying goodbye, I told all the colleagues: 'We have to start the work on Crimea's return into Russia'."

– President Vladimir Putin

https://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-03-09/putin-plans-to-take-control-of-crimea-began-before-referendum/
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Putin: Plans to take control of Crimea began before referendum

9 March 2015 at 3:47pm


Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered for work to start on taking control of Crimea weeks before a referendum which Kremlin officials claimed prompted the region's annexation from Ukraine.

In an interview with Russian state television channel Rossiya-1 broadcast on Sunday, Putin said that the plans were first discussed in February last year during an emergency meeting about the overthrow of Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich.

His account is at odds with previous Kremlin statements that claimed that the annexation decision was taken after the referendum on March 16, when Crimeans voted to become part of the Russian Federation.

This was on the night of Feb. 22 through to Feb. 23. We finished around 7 in the morning. And, while saying goodbye, I told all the colleagues: 'We have to start the work on Crimea's return into Russia'."

– President Vladimir Putin

https://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-03-09/putin-plans-to-take-control-of-crimea-began-before-referendum/

Again, you make my point. It was the illegal CIA/obama led coup that started this whole thing. 

Your link even says admits that it was only  discussions and planing before the referendum. Not that a decision was made. Planing is what nations do.. we , ourselves, war game all possibilities.

I consider it very prudent of Putin to have discussions and planing over the illegal CIA/obama led coup in Ukraine of a democratically elected government that was Pro-Rusian. as it should be.

We started that shit happening in Ukraine. Thank you for providing supporting proof.

BTW, Crimea was never part of Ukraine, historically.  It was added in 1954 , if memory serves correctly By Krushev..a Ukrainian himself. Probably to consolidate all the Black Sea ports under one jurisdiction. Russia defeated Turkey  and Sweden(the backer of Turkey)  to gain Crimea.

Under no circumstance would Russia give up it's only warm water port. Nor should it. That would be war.. and here we are.. thanks to the CIA/obama and the lefts One World Odor.
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"8. Russo-Turkish War of 1686-1700. Part of the larger anti-Ottoman, joint-European effort, the Russian Empire joined with Venice, Austria, and Poland-Lithuania to push the Ottomans out of Hungary, Poland, and parts of the Balkans. While the Ottomans lost out big time, the Russians gained immensely, and not just at the expense of the Turks. In order to join an alliance against the Ottomans, Russia secured Kievan Ukraine from Poland-Lithuania and managed to save its strength, by letting its Western allies do most of the fighting against the Ottomans, for an upcoming war for supremacy in the Baltics against Sweden (which it won). Russia also got the fortresses of Azov and Taganrog from the Ottomans, as well as two regionally important commercial cities, Pavlovsk and Mius.

7. Russo-Turkish War of 1710-11. This short-lived war, also known as the Pruth River Campaign, took place after Sweden, a regional rival of Russia’s in the 15th and 16th centuries, was crushed by Moscow in the Battle of Poltava (1709). The king of Sweden, Charles XII, was wounded in the battle and barely escaped with his life to an Ottoman fortress in what is now Moldova. The Russians followed the Swedish king and his fleeing army to the fortress and demanded that the Ottomans hand him over. Istanbul declined to do so. The Russians, led by Peter the Great, attacked and were smashed by the larger, better-equipped Ottoman army. The Ottomans got Azoz back, and a guarantee from Russia that Charles XII would get safe passage back to Sweden. The Russians were further forced to pledge that they would no longer interfere in the internal affairs of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, an ally (at the time) of the Ottomans.

4. Russo-Turkish War of 1787-92. Humiliated after their defeat 13 years earlier, the Ottomans demanded that the Russians give back Crimea and some other important Black Sea ports. The Russians, along with their new allies Austria, instead declared war on the Ottoman Empire and proceeded to clean the Turks’ clock. The Russians marched right up to the gates of Istanbul and claimed that they wanted to make it Christian again, but an Ottoman alliance with Prussia forced Moscow to think twice about sacking the Ottoman capital and a peace treaty forcing Istanbul to recognize Russian sovereignty over Crimea and Ukraine was signed instead. Meanwhile, Russian propaganda continued to flow into Greece and the protests against Ottoman rule there were becoming violent.
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Again, take your own advice.  It is an AP release.. not a Fox News report. All of what two short paragraphs.    :silly:

Do better.

Putin's own words aren't good enough for you?


Having said that, it would be proper for Russia to make plans and take action after the overthrow of a democratically elected government .. a pro -Russian one in Ukraine.




That unlawful coup/orange revolution instigated , funded and choreographed  by our CIA/obama/And the E.U. Marxist/left in Brussels.

Ah, the Belgians again.  It must have been the Belgians who forced Yanukovych to open fire on peaceful protesters.  How many dozens did he kill?  And keep in mind, those protests were nationwide.  Lviv.  Dnipro.  Luhansk.  Odesa.  Donetsk.  Even Simferopol.

Oh, and the Orange Revolution occurred in 2005.  You're almost a decade off.  But that's what happens when you rely on Russian propagandists instead of doing your own research.  It makes you look like a complete fool.

As for Yanukovych, here's what actually happend.  On Feb 21, Yanukovych signed an agreement to bring in a unity government, revert back to the 2004 Constitution, and hold new elections in December.  The vote in parliament was 386-0.  Again, Yanukovych signed his name to this.  Nothing illegal about it.  Later that day, Yanukovych went AWOL.

Now that the 2004 Constitution was in effect, the law states that if the President was unable to fulfill his duties, he would be replaced by the parliamentary chairman.  With Yanukovych gone, Parliament voted 328-0 to remove Yanukovych and push elections up to may.  Note that even members of Yanukovych's own party voted to replace him.  All perfectly legal under the 2004 Constitution.  His party members would go on to denounce him for the violence he unleashed on the Ukrainian people.

So where was Yanukovych on Feb 22?  In Krasnodar Krai.  The next day, he flew to Crimea, only to board a Russian warship taking him back to Russia.

It's time to put away all that "unlawful coup" bullshit.  The only unlawful coup here was the one perpetrated by the Russians.

Is what started this war.. we started this.

No.  Russia invading Ukraine is what started this.  If Russia had stayed on their side of the border, there never would have been a war.  Russia alone is responsible for Russia invading Ukraine.
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Again, you make my point. It was the illegal CIA/obama led coup that started this whole thing. 

Again, you lie.
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https://www.realclearhistory.com/articles/2018/06/14/10_most_important_russo-turkish_wars_323.html

"8. Russo-Turkish War of 1686-1700.  .  .

7. Russo-Turkish War of 1710-11.  .  .

4. Russo-Turkish War of 1787-92.  .  .


That's really beautiful and all.  But what does any of this have to do with Russia's decision to invade Ukraine and start a war?
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That's really beautiful and all.  But what does any of this have to do with Russia's decision to invade Ukraine and start a war?

Again you lie.
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While you boys were arguing over Russia vs Ukraine, we hit a very bleak milestone

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It was the illegal CIA/obama led coup that started this whole thing.

Another damnable Russian-propagated lie.

The truth:

Russia and Europe’s Tug of War Over Ukraine

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/11/thousands-take-to-the-streets-in-kiev-russia-and-europe-s-tug-of-war-over-ukraine.html

Russia-EU Tug of War Over Ukraine Escalates

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2013/12/11/russia-eu-tug-of-war-over-ukraine-escalates-a30424

Frustration for EU in Ukraine tug-of-war

https://www.politico.eu/article/frustration-for-eu-in-ukraine-tug-of-war/

Enraged protesters storm Ukraine government offices

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-protesters-storm-government-offices-as-protests-against-president-viktor-yanukovych-intensify/

Death Toll in Kiev Rises to at Least 70

https://abcnews.com/International/ukraine-forces-fire-protesters-white-house-outraged/story?id=22594842

Ukraine: Yanukovych ordered snipers to shoot

https://apnews.com/general-news-f5855b135cc741c68bcd72357c9e7833

Ukraine leader flees capital as clashes continue

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/yanukovych-cries-coup-ukraine

Ukraine's former PM rallies protesters after Yanukovych flees Kiev

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/22/ukraine-president-yanukovych-flees-kiev

Ukraine's President Voted Out, Flees Kiev

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2014/02/ukraines-president-voted-out-flees-kiev/100686/

Ukraine's Parliament Votes To Oust Yanukovych After He Flees Kiev

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2014/02/22/ukraines-parliament-votes-to-oust-yanukovych-after-he-flees-kiev

Ukraine: President Viktor Yanukovych says he was forced to flee due to threats; slams 'pro-fascist' forces

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-28/ukraine-minister-accuses-russia-of-armed-invasion/5291986

Putin: Russia helped Yanukovych to flee Ukraine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29761799

Ukrainian court orders ex-president's arrest in absentia on treason charge

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-court-orders-ex-presidents-arrest-absentia-treason-charge-2022-05-23/

Ukraine’s Ex-President Is Convicted of Treason

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/24/world/europe/viktor-yanukovych-russia-ukraine-treason.html

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The former president is a widely reviled figure in Ukraine for his over-the-top corruption — he lived in a palace with a private zoo — and because the police shot dozens of antigovernment demonstrators during an uprising in 2014. He has also been widely characterized in Ukraine and the West as pro-Russia — and even as a puppet of the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin.

Petro Poroshenko wins Ukraine presidency, according to exit polls

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/25/petro-poroshenko-ukraine-president-wins-election

Gunmen Seize Government Buildings in Crimea

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/world/europe/crimea-ukraine.html

"Little green men" or "Russian invaders"?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26532154

Russia says cannot order Crimean 'self-defense' units back to base

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-lavrov-spain-idUSBREA240NF20140305/

Petro Poroshenko vows to restore peace

https://www.economist.com/eastern-approaches/2014/05/26/petro-poroshenko-vows-to-restore-peace

Ukraine says Donetsk 'anti-terror operation' under way

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27035196

Russian news report: Putin approved Ukraine invasion before Kiev government collapsed

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article24780370.html

Putin reveals secrets of Russia's Crimea takeover plot

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31796226

Vladimir Putin describes secret meeting when Russia decided to seize Crimea

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/09/vladimir-putin-describes-secret-meeting-when-russia-decided-to-seize-crimea

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2014/11/21/russias-igor-strelkov-i-am-responsible-for-war-in-eastern-ukraine-a41598

Ukraine election: Comedian Zelensky wins presidency by landslide

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48007487
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Now that the 2004 Constitution was in effect, the law states that if the President was unable to fulfill his duties, he would be replaced by the parliamentary chairman.  With Yanukovych gone, Parliament voted 328-0 to remove Yanukovych and push elections up to may.  Note that even members of Yanukovych's own party voted to replace him.  All perfectly legal under the 2004 Constitution.  His party members would go on to denounce him for the violence he unleashed on the Ukrainian people.

So where was Yanukovych on Feb 22?  In Krasnodar Krai.  The next day, he flew to Crimea, only to board a Russian warship taking him back to Russia.

100% correct, @Hoodat !

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More Israel's problem than ours no? And well, being stuck in a perpetual bombing campaign while supposedly proventing Iran's maybe/maybe not nukes for the rest of eternity, with elevated gas prices, doesn't exactly thrill me. Is there any evidence the air campaign is doing anything?

Trump shoudl have just let Israel take care of Iran. Give them what they want, they are more than capable. Why do we need to be the world's policeman, Bob? That's not in our consitution.

I ask a simple question; you chose not to answer, but posit a straw argument, and then answer that.

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How about Fox News?


Vladimir Putin describes secret meeting when Russia decided to take Crimea

March 9, 2015  |  6:50am EDT


MOSCOW – Russian President Vladimir Putin has described a secret meeting with officials last year when Russia decided it would take Crimea — the Black Sea region Moscow annexed from Ukraine last March.

In a trailer for an upcoming documentary on state-owned television aired late Sunday, Putin said that he met with security officials in February to make plans for saving Ukraine's then-President Viktor Yanukovych, who fled power after months of pro-European protests in the Ukrainian capital.

Putin said that after the meeting he told the security chiefs that they would be "obliged to start working to return Crimea to Russia."

The Kremlin originally denied that it had sent troops into Crimea, but Putin later announced on state television that Russian troops had been sent in.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/vladimir-putin-describes-secret-meeting-when-russia-decided-to-take-crimea

Perhaps Tass would be more acceptable.
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So, you equate what Putin did in Ukraine with what Lincoln did here. Thanks for the explanation. See ya around if someone happens to quote you somewhere.


Well, the old steal/burn the crops, burn the farm, and tax the survivors off the land gambit has worked well in the past, at least for the 'liberators' who 'liberate' anything not hidden well.
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Well, the old steal/burn the crops, burn the farm, and tax the survivors off the land gambit has worked well in the past

Lincoln didn't use his army to target and kill Southern civilians.  He also didn't conscript Southerners to fight against Confederate troops.
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