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Exclusive Content => Editorials => Topic started by: Victoria33 on October 21, 2016, 09:42:06 pm
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Elections do not happen haphazardly. There are laws that direct the entire process. Every state has an election code law book – it is a thick book - the Texas Election Code is over 550 pages, size of pages are 8x10. As laws are changed or added by the state legislature, a new book is published. No matter in which state you live, your state has an Election Code law book. As an example of how you can find your state’s election code, I looked up Florida’s election code. I found these links:
Florida Election Laws: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=IX#TitleIX
Florida Division of Elections: http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/laws-rules/rules/
Download pdf file of Florida Election Code http://dos.myflorida.com/media/693802/election-laws.pdf
You can do the same for your state if you want to read your state’s election laws without buying the law book.
There are federal election laws and each state must develop a process to correctly follow these laws if any federal office is included in an election. In the presidential election of 2000, there was a recount required by law in the state of Florida. States have laws that determine whether a recount is automatically triggered. If the difference of votes between two candidates falls at or above a certain percentage, an automatic recount is required. That is what happened in Florida. Since it was required, the candidates did not have to pay for the recount. If the difference of votes between two candidates is not within these parameters, but one of the candidates wants a recount anyway, the candidate must pay for the recount. So, if either candidate, Clinton or Trump, want a recount but one has not been automatically triggered, that candidate will have to pay for the recount.
After the Florida election was resolved, new federal election laws, the “Help America Vote Act” (HAVA) was passed in 2002, creating a new federal agency to serve as a clearinghouse for election administration information and (1) providing funds to states to improve election administration and replace outdated voting systems; and (2) creating minimum standards for states to follow in several key areas of election administration. In my opinion, these were excellent laws. Every state must follow these laws and had to rewrite their election code to include them. This was during the time I taught election law in numerous counties in Texas, so I had to know these new laws – they are imbedded in my memory forever.
These new laws included:
1. Punch ballots were outlawed – no more hanging chads. No state could use them beginning in 2006.
2. Provisional ballots were created. All states must use them. An example of when a provisional ballot is used:
A. If a voter appears at a polling place and the voter’s name is not on the list of registered voters for that precinct, that voter may only vote a provisional ballot (normally a paper ballot which is then sealed in an envelope and put in a locked box). At the end of election day, the provisional ballots are returned to the central counting station. On the next day or the next day, a committee called the “Early Voting Ballot Board” (some states may call it otherwise), meets and determines whether or not that voter is a registered voter in that polling precinct (the name is searched on the master list of registered voters). The ballot is counted or not counted determined by the committee. In my case, I was the Judge of the Early Voting Ballot Board for ten years and no provisional ballot was accepted after our investigation.
Voters in a precinct may see someone voting a provisional ballot and think that person is voting a regular ballot when the person is not. That could lead the voter viewing that process to leave and say there is voter fraud happening because he/she does not understand the process.
3. Every Secretary of State was made the “keeper” of the state’s master voter list.
Before this law there was no official state master list of registered voters. (The actual person in the Secretary of State’s office who supervises elections is the “Director of Elections” who is hired by the Secretary of State and is usually a lawyer. Also in that department are more lawyers who deal with election questions that come up in the counties.)
Before this law, the election administrator (county clerk or election administrator) would put a potential voter on the list of registered voters if the person had a physical address in the county and had checked he/she is a US citizen. The administrator had no power to check state records about this person. This is what happens now:
A potential voter comes to register. The election administrator accepts the information from the potential voter. If the voter does not have a Texas driver's license number or the number of a personal identification card issued by the Department of Public Safety, the last four digits of the person’s social security number must be given. If the potential voter has none of these numbers, the administrator contacts the Secretary of State, Election Director, who does a search which may include birth records, death records, driver’s license records, passport records, criminal records, all records where this person’s name and birth date appears. If it is determined that person is a citizen, the Secretary of State sends an approval to the election administrator and the person is added to the master voter list of the county. This is a way to keep illegals from being on the county voter list.
How Voters Who Die Are Removed From Voter Lists:
You may have heard many dead people are on voter lists of counties and these “dead” people vote. Do not believe this happens often as there is a system to remove voters who die. Here is the actual law in Texas and your state also has a process like, or similar, to this:
“Sec. 16.001. DEATH. (a) Each month the local registrar of deaths shall prepare an abstract of each death certificate issued in the month for a decedent 18 years of age or older who was a resident of the state at the time of death. The local registrar of deaths shall file each abstract with the voter registrar of the decedent's county of residence and the secretary of state not later than the 10th day of the month following the month in which the abstract is prepared.”
Another way voters are removed from voter lists:
If renewal voter cards are sent to voters every year or every two years (Texas is every two years, sent between November 15- December 6), and that voter card is returned to the election administer as “undeliverable”, the name of the voter is put on “Suspense”. A letter is sent to the voter in March, and if that is returned as “undeliverable”, the name remains on Suspense. If on November 30 following the second general election for state and county officers that occurs after the date the voter's name is entered on the suspense list a registered voter's name appears on the suspense list, the registrar shall cancel the voter's registration unless the name is to be deleted from the list under Section 15.023.
Here is law regarding removal of a voter’s name from the voter list due to ineligibility.
SUBCHAPTER B. CANCELLATION
Sec. 16.031. CANCELLATION ON OFFICIAL NOTICE OF INELIGIBILITY. (a) The registrar shall cancel a voter's registration immediately on receipt of:
(1) notice under Section 13.072(b) or 15.021 or a response under Section 15.053 that the voter's residence is outside the county;
(2) an abstract of the voter's death certificate under Section 16.001(a) or an abstract of an application indicating that the voter is deceased under Section 16.001(b);
(3) an abstract of a final judgment of the voter's total mental incapacity, partial mental incapacity without the right to vote, conviction of a felony, or disqualification under Section 16.002, 16.003, or 16.004;
(4) notice under Section 112.012 that the voter has applied for a limited ballot in another county;
(5) notice from a voter registration official in another state that the voter has registered to vote outside this state;
(6) notice from the early voting clerk under Section 101.0041 that a federal postcard application submitted by an applicant states a voting residence address located outside the registrar's county; or
(7) notice from the secretary of state that the voter has registered to vote in another county, as determined by the voter's driver's license number or personal identification card number issued by the Department of Public Safety or social security number.
(b) The registrar shall cancel a voter's registration immediately if the registrar:
(1) determines from information received under Section 16.001(c) that the voter is deceased;
(2) has personal knowledge that the voter is deceased;
(3) receives from a person related within the second degree by consanguinity or affinity, as determined under Chapter 573, Government Code, to the voter a sworn statement by that person indicating that the voter is deceased; or
(4) receives notice from the secretary of state under Section 18.068 that the voter is deceased.
Returning to another provision in the Help America Vote Act:
4. The federal government gave money to states that wanted to use electronic voting machines. That money was only available for a certain amount of time, and most states opted for the money to begin to use voting machines. There were numerous companies making voting machines and a county could determine which machines they wanted to use. Counties could also determine if they wanted to continue to use paper ballots, no machines.
States wrote laws to develop a process for using voting machines. That meant laws to determine where they were kept in the county, how they were programmed, how they were checked for accuracy, how they were kept safe after programming, how they were delivered to polling places and how they were safely returned to central counting at the end of election day.
Here is the process for Texas and your state also has laws for this process:
Electronic voting machines are kept locked in a room in your county, usually the courthouse or a courthouse annex.
When there is a state/federal election slated, and the official ballot is set for the election, the machines are programmed, either by the county technician or by a technician from the machine’s company.
In a county: On a set day, the county clerk or election administrator, meets with the Republican Chairman and Democrat Chairman of the county, and each machine is checked for accuracy. If a machine fails, it is removed then to be corrected. Once the machines are determined to be correct, they are locked in a room with two locks. The key to one lock is with the county clerk or election administrator, and the other lock’s key is given to the county sheriff. If the sheriff is on the ballot, the key is given to the county judge (their terms are staggered so both are not on the ballot at the same time).
On election day, the room is unlocked and the sheriff’s deputies deliver the machines to the polling places. At the polling place, the election judge (of one party) and the alternate judge (of the opposing party), check the machines are set at zero.
How Electronic Voting Machines Work:
They count, that is all they do. They are not individually hooked to the internet. Besides the removable memory component the election judge/alternate take out of the machine at the end of election day, there is an internal count in the guts of the machine that only a company tech can take out of the machine in case there is a question as to the count on that machine.
At the end of election day, the judge and alternate judge take the internal memory components to central counting, followed by a sheriff’s deputy. The sheriff deputies also carry the voting machines back to the room from which they came and they are once again locked up.
There are now various types of voting machines but you can see there are laws that determine how these machines are kept safe. I have read numerous accounts how some people have changed the counts of these machines. Every single one required having the machine in their possession to do their dirty work. If the machines are kept safe by following the law, no one has access to these machines.
I am presenting selected actual law regarding voting machines after they have been delivered to the polling places, since there is so much misinformation about voting machine “fraud” happening at polling places. Please note the process when a machine malfunctions.
Sec. 125.005. MAINTAINING SECURITY OF EQUIPMENT DURING VOTING. (a) The presiding judge (at the polling place) shall periodically have an election officer inspect the voting system equipment for tampering and damage while voting is in progress.
(b) If any tampering or damage is discovered, the inspecting officer shall immediately stop use of the equipment and report to the presiding judge, who shall promptly take appropriate action.
Sec. 125.006. MALFUNCTION OF EQUIPMENT AT POLLING PLACE. (a) The presiding judge shall stop use of malfunctioning voting system equipment installed at a polling place immediately after discovering that the equipment is not functioning properly.
(b) The presiding judge shall have the malfunctioning equipment promptly repaired or replaced if practicable.
(c) If the presiding judge determines that the equipment cannot be promptly repaired or replaced and that voting cannot be continued by using only the remaining operational equipment without substantially interfering with the orderly conduct of the election, voting at that polling place may be conducted by one of the following methods in addition to, or instead of, using remaining operational equipment:
(1) using another voting system that has been adopted for use in the election;
(2) using regular paper ballots, whether early voting ballots or ballots for regular voting on election day; or
(3) having voters manually mark the electronic system ballots that were furnished for use with the malfunctioning equipment and having the ballots processed as regular paper ballots.
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Sec. 125.010. PRESENCE OF VOTING SYSTEM TECHNICIAN AUTHORIZED.
(a) In this section, "voting system technician" means a person who as a vocation repairs, assembles, maintains, or operates voting system equipment.
(b) On the request of the authority holding the election, a voting system technician may be present at a polling place, a meeting of the early voting ballot board, or a central counting station for the purpose of repairing, assembling, maintaining, or operating voting system equipment.
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SUBCHAPTER C. ELECTRONIC VOTING SYSTEMS
Sec. 125.061. INSPECTING EQUIPMENT AT POLLING PLACE. (a) Before opening a polling place for voting on election day, the presiding judge shall inspect any electronic voting system equipment installed at the polling place to determine whether it is installed and functioning properly.
(b) The presiding judge shall take appropriate corrective action if the equipment is not installed or functioning properly.
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Sec. 125.063. SECURING EQUIPMENT ON CLOSE OF VOTING. On the close of voting at each polling place at which electronic voting system equipment is used, an election officer shall secure or inactivate the equipment as prescribed by the secretary of state so that its unauthorized operation is prevented.
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Sec. 125.064. RECORDS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION. Any documents or records used in the preparation of or prepared for use in an electronic voting system for the operation of the system for a particular election and any documents or records generated by the system in that election shall be made available for public inspection in the office of the general custodian of election records for the period for preserving the precinct election records.
Vote By Mail – Absentee Voting
In my opinion, working as the Judge of the Early Voting Ballot Board for a number of years, there is more voter fraud in mail in ballots than any other type of election fraud. Narrowing that down, most of the fraud is done in nursing homes. There is a way to disqualify those ballots since the perpetrators don’t know the law as to completing the paper work on the carrier envelope. If the Judge of that board knows the law regarding those applications, most of the fraudulent ballots can be disqualified. The Board has a judge and an equal number of Democrats and Republicans. This is how the Board qualifies mail in ballots:
The election code has specific laws that each ballot paperwork must pass. The Board must use those rules to qualify a ballot.
First, the signature on the carrier envelope must match the signature on the ballot application. If there is no signature on the carrier envelope, the ballot is rejected. If no signature on the application, the ballot is rejected. If the signatures do not match, the ballot is rejected.
If any “required” fill in space on the carrier envelope is vacant, the ballot is rejected. If someone helped the voter, that someone must print AND sign his/her name, and provide an address on the carrier envelope. If any of those required spaces is vacant, the ballot is rejected.
A “helper” may only help one by mail voter, unless the helper is related to the voter by certain degrees of affinity or consanguinity.
The voter’s name must be on the master voter list, or the ballot is rejected.
The actual ballots are in sealed envelopes. Those envelopes are stacked up and then opened.
That is so a voter’s ballot envelope won’t be opened as soon as his/her paperwork is approved and the Board could identify the candidate choices of the voter.
How Voting District lines Are Drawn:
After a census of the country, voting district lines are redrawn. This is done due to the population growth in some areas and the population being less in some areas.
Yes, there are laws that determine where lines are drawn. Let’s consider your county:
Law sets the number of people to be in a commissioner’s precinct. Your commissioner’s court draws the lines.
The legislature draws the lines for congressional districts. There is a legal number of folks to be in a congressional district. Lines are drawn to contain that number. Democrats love to be the major party in the legislature to draw those lines. Republicans love to be in the majority in the legislature to draw those lines. Remember, the number is set by law to be in those districts so a party cannot gerrymander a line to make it more or less than the law defines. They can jiggle a line as long as the number in the district still satisfies the law.
I recall, in 2003, our Republican led legislature drew the lines and Democrat legislators left the state so it could not be voted on. Some went into Oklahoma and some into New Mexico. This is the history of that on Wikipedia (The Texas Eleven):
The Texas Eleven were a group of Texas Senate Democrats who fled Texas for Albuquerque, New Mexico for 46 days in 2003 aimed at preventing the passage of controversial redistricting legislation that was intended to benefit Texas Republicans. A group of Texas House representatives, dubbed the Killer Ds, had fled the state earlier that same summer for the same reason.
U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, then a powerful figure in Texas politics, advocated arresting the Texas Eleven, telling reporters that he supported using FBI agents or U.S. Marshals to arrest the runaway Democrats and bring them back to Austin, asserting that redistricting is a matter of federal concern.
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The above report on how elections work is what I have experienced in working with elections.
If you have a problem with it, send me a message and I’ll answer it.
In 2003, I wrote a law (Sec.127.005e) that was passed by the Texas Legislature and that created a judge and alternate judge in central counting where your votes are counted on election night. Before that law, in our county, the central counting station was held by the county clerk who was a Democrat, and she would not let any Republicans into the central counting station where ballots were being counted. It was that way all over Texas, a Republican county clerk could keep out Democrats. The law I wrote required a judge and alternate judge just as a voting precinct has. If the Judge was a Republican (meaning in the last gubernatorial election the county voted in the majority for the Republican gubernatorial candidate), the alternate Judge would be a Democrat. Both Republicans and Democrats are now in central counting where your ballot is counted.
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Wow. Thanks for posting!
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Thank You V33
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Very good post.
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Good info, thanks.
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Before that law, in our county, the central counting station was held by the county clerk who was a Democrat, and she would not let any Republicans into the central counting station where ballots were being counted. It was that way all over Texas, a Republican county clerk could keep out Democrats. The law I wrote required a judge and alternate judge just as a voting precinct has. If the Judge was a Republican (meaning in the last gubernatorial election the county voted in the majority for the Republican gubernatorial candidate), the alternate Judge would be a Democrat. Both Republicans and Democrats are now in central counting where your ballot is counted.
Very interesting. Good for you!
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@Victoria33
This is so interesting. I learned a lot from this post.
You're a credit to this forum.
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Excellent, should be required reading for everyone. :patriot:
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goopo
I've learning so much from you @Victoria33 .
Thank you.
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In California we give drivers licenses to illegal aliens. In fact, ten states now do.
It is estimated by some that half of the new drivers licenses issued last year went to illegals in CA.
With that comes the opportunity to register to vote.
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I copied this from a post of an article put on here today. Trump is yelling about voter fraud because he has no idea how elections work (I would make a better president than he would as he is ignorant and will not read or study or care what is legal - he will just yell and then have his lawyers sue). I read what he said at a rally yesterday and he is sure the election is rigged (he is dumb, dumb, dumb,) which sets off voters who don't know how elections work:
"Trump’s supporters have concocted elaborate explanations for why he might lose, often involving massive voter fraud conducted by Democrats who will bus undocumented immigrants and people posing as people who have died to battleground states to vote illegally. There are also fears that election results in some states will be tampered with, and Trump’s backers have cheered his promise to challenge the election results if he doesn’t win."
What is wrong with the above paragraph based on the laws I posted in the long article?
"...bus undocumented immigrants ...to vote illegally." Remember, voters vote IN A COUNTY. There is a list of voters for every voting precinct in a county. If an illegal is brought to a polling place, that name is not on the voter list so that illegal can only vote a PROVISIONAL BALLOT. Remember that process? Look above on the long article to see what happens to Provisional Ballots. The idiots who would transport illegals to a polling place do not know those ballots will NOT be counted because those people are NOT registered voters of that precinct.
To continue the article portion: "...and people posing as people who have died to battleground states to vote illegally..."
Remember how people who die are taken off a county's voter list? It is fantasy to say thousands/millions of illegal ballots are cast in dead people's names. Also, remember, most states have a law that some kind of ID (I don't necessarily mean picture ID), is required when a voter goes to vote. Most have a voter card issued by the county. If the voter has no card with him/her, acceptable IDs includes driver's license, an identity card issued by the the driver's license division, a utility bill with the voter's name and address. passport, birth certificate.
An example of a person being prosecuted for voting for a dead person in a Texas election:
When I finish the story you are going to feel sorry for the person who voted for the dead voter (I felt sorry). This happened in voting by mail:
An elderly woman voter was being cared for by her daughter. A ballot by mail was in the house for the elderly woman to complete and send back to the county. She died before she did that. The daughter, knowing how her mother was going to vote, filled it out, signed it as her mother, and sent the ballot to the county. The notice of death went to the county and the fraudulent ballot, cast after the woman died, was caught. The daughter wanted to carry out her mother's wishes but she committed an illegal act, she was guilty of voter fraud.
The Texas State Attorney General at the time, our present governor, Greg Abbott, prosecuted this woman who committed voter fraud.
"There are also fears that election results in some states will be tampered with..."
Again, the person who wrote this has no information as to how ballots, no matter the system, are kept safe and how the ballots are tabulated by law.
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In California we give drivers licenses to illegal aliens. In fact, ten states now do.
It is estimated by some that half of the new drivers licenses issued last year went to illegals in CA. With that comes the opportunity to register to vote.
@skeeter
Thanks for your post. I will check California voter registration laws.
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VOTER REGISTRATION IN CALIFORNIA
From the California Secretary of State’s website:
To register to vote in California, you must be:
A United States citizen,
A resident of California,
18 years of age or older on Election Day,
Not currently imprisoned or on parole for the conviction of a felony (for more information on the rights of people who have been incarcerated, please see the Secretary of State's Voting Rights for Californians with Criminal Convictions or Detained in Jail or Prison), and
Not currently found to be mentally incompetent by a court of law (for more information, please see Voting Rights: Persons Subject to Conservatorship).
Pick Up a Voter Registration Application
You can also pick up a paper voter registration application at your county elections office, library, Department of Motor Vehicles offices, or U.S. post office. It is important that your voter registration application be filled out completely and be postmarked or hand-delivered to your county elections office at least 15 days before the election.
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California Election Code regarding voter registration (2111):
ELECTIONS CODE - ELECDIVISION 2. VOTERS [2000 - 2600]
( Division 2 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
CHAPTER 2. Registration [2100 - 2194.1]
( Chapter 2 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
ARTICLE 1. General Provisions [2100 - 2124]
( Article 1 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
2111. A person may prove he or she is a citizen by his or her certification under penalty of perjury on the affidavit of registration.
(Enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2.)
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The penalty for perjury in the state of California is “Penal Code 118(a), perjury, which is a felony punishable by 2, 3 or 4 years in prison”.
Regarding filling out a voter registration application with an “affidavit” portion: “Affidavit” means it is a legal document with penalty of perjury (lying) on the application.
Filling out a voter application at a California Driver’s License location:
This is just a way to get an application – the Driver’s License Location does not register the voter to vote. A number of states, including Texas, have this convenience for the voter to get an application. The Driver’s License Location forwards the application to the county which the voter lists on the application. It is incorrect to think the Driver’s License Location actually registers the voter to vote.
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Thank you so much for your knowledge and valuable research. There is probably a little voter fraud but not as widespread as the trumpers would have us believe.
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Here's a one-stop shop for all voting information for all 50 states.
https://www.fvap.gov
It will even allow you to fill out and submit a registration to vote form (a little late, now... though) and request an absentee ballot.
It also will direct you to each state's election office, if needed.
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Trump wants "his people" to go to the polls and follow/watch voters vote to find fraud. If they show up at a polling place, they will be asked to leave and if they don't, the election judge will call a police officer, usually the constable of that precinct, and they will be arrested.
HOW POLL WATCHERS ARE APPOINTED AND WHAT THEY CAN DO AND CAN'T DO
Each candidate may appoint a poll watcher for every polling place. A Republican Chairman and Democrat Chairman may appoint a poll watcher for every polling place. An appointment document is completed and the watcher, who must arrive at a certain time in the morning, gives the election judge the appointment document and signs it in front of the judge and the watcher must show ID to prove he/she is the person listed on the appointment sheet.
A poll watcher can't leave unless the election judge approves it. Some states will not allow a watcher to leave and come back. An election judge may let a watcher leave for lunch and come back but a watcher should take lunch with him/her as it is up to the judge whether they can leave or not.
A poll watcher cannot follow a voter into a voter booth.
A poll watcher cannot speak to a voter.
If a poll watcher thinks something is happening that should not be happening, the watcher can only speak to the judge about that happening.
A poll watcher cannot take pictures or make a film in the polling place.
A poll watcher may bring paper and pen and make notes.
Other issues regarding polling places:
A boundary of so many yards is posted/marked outside the polling place and only voters going to vote can be within that boundary. If anyone comes within that boundary to speak to voters, that person will be asked to leave by the election judge and if he/she does not, he/she will be arrested.
Trump supporters who follow Trump's directions to follow voters at the polls, should read these rules/laws so they won't end up in jail.
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Here's a one-stop shop for all voting information for all 50 states.
https://www.fvap.gov
It will even allow you to fill out and submit a registration to vote form (a little late, now... though) and request an absentee ballot.
It also will direct you to each state's election office, if needed.
That is a good website if one needs information about how to vote by mail or vote from overseas, etc.., and some forms are provided. Actual laws aren't there, but there is a link provided to a voter's Secretary of State website where a link to election law may be, if the Secretary of State has put it there.
The best link to use is the one to the voter's Secretary of State website where forms will be for their exact state, plus the instructions for registering and voting by mail is there. Stick with your state as forms may vary from state to state. The same information may be on a form but the form placement may vary from state to state.
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This is great @Victoria33. Many thanks.
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VOTER REGISTRATION IN CALIFORNIA
From the California Secretary of State’s website:
To register to vote in California, you must be:
A United States citizen,
A resident of California,
18 years of age or older on Election Day,
Not currently imprisoned or on parole for the conviction of a felony (for more information on the rights of people who have been incarcerated, please see the Secretary of State's Voting Rights for Californians with Criminal Convictions or Detained in Jail or Prison), and
Not currently found to be mentally incompetent by a court of law (for more information, please see Voting Rights: Persons Subject to Conservatorship).
Pick Up a Voter Registration Application
You can also pick up a paper voter registration application at your county elections office, library, Department of Motor Vehicles offices, or U.S. post office. It is important that your voter registration application be filled out completely and be postmarked or hand-delivered to your county elections office at least 15 days before the election.
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California Election Code regarding voter registration (2111):
ELECTIONS CODE - ELECDIVISION 2. VOTERS [2000 - 2600]
( Division 2 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
CHAPTER 2. Registration [2100 - 2194.1]
( Chapter 2 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
ARTICLE 1. General Provisions [2100 - 2124]
( Article 1 enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2. )
2111. A person may prove he or she is a citizen by his or her certification under penalty of perjury on the affidavit of registration.
(Enacted by Stats. 1994, Ch. 920, Sec. 2.)
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The penalty for perjury in the state of California is “Penal Code 118(a), perjury, which is a felony punishable by 2, 3 or 4 years in prison”.
Regarding filling out a voter registration application with an “affidavit” portion: “Affidavit” means it is a legal document with penalty of perjury (lying) on the application.
Filling out a voter application at a California Driver’s License location:
This is just a way to get an application – the Driver’s License Location does not register the voter to vote. A number of states, including Texas, have this convenience for the voter to get an application. The Driver’s License Location forwards the application to the county which the voter lists on the application. It is incorrect to think the Driver’s License Location actually registers the voter to vote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Voter_Registration_Act_of_1993
Why does the democrat party struggle so mightily to prevent states from enacting more stringent identification protocols at polls? Sorry, your assertion does not pass the giggle test.
I am not a Trump supporter but nor will I suspend cognition for any reason. At least it'll take more to get me to believe there's not a growing voter fraud problem than an excerpt from the State's website.
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Trump wants "his people" to go to the polls and follow/watch voters vote to find fraud. If they show up at a polling place, they will be asked to leave and if they don't, the election judge will call a police officer, usually the constable of that precinct, and they will be arrested.
Trump has made repeated calls for supporters to engage in the election process legally, which means volunteering to poll watch as allowed by law.
Insinuations otherwise are flat out democrat lies. :nono:
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Trump has made repeated calls for supporters to engage in the election process legally, which means volunteering to poll watch as allowed by law.
Insinuations otherwise are flat out democrat lies. :nono:
I heard him myself, more than once, tell them to go follow voters when they vote at the polling place and look for fraud. Try actually listening to him speak.
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@skeeter
You posted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Voter_Registration_Act_of_1993
That does not mean the Driver's License location has a voter list at that place and they register the person who fills out the application. They only have the applications and when a person fills it out, they forward the application.
There are also applications at libraries and the library doesn't have a voter list. They forward the completed application.
You can fill out an application to become an asst. registrar and carry applications with you and get people to fill them out, but you don't have a voter list, either. You take the completed applications back to the election administrator just as the other locations forward them also.
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As to having a voter card or other ID when you appear to vote, I haven't looked that up for California, but I will.
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This is the kind of informative post we used to get in the old days on That Other Site. There was once people from almost every kind of profession ready to answer questions.
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@skeeter
You posted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Voter_Registration_Act_of_1993
That does not mean the Driver's License location has a voter list at that place and they register the person who fills out the application. They only have the applications and when a person fills it out, they forward the application.
There are also applications at libraries and the library doesn't have a voter list. They forward the completed application.
You can fill out an application to become an asst. registrar and carry applications with you and get people to fill them out, but you don't have a voter list, either. You take the completed applications back to the election administrator just as the other locations forward them also.
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As to having a voter card or other ID when you appear to vote, I haven't looked that up for California, but I will.
I appreciate your efforts to inform.
But I've seen and heard too much to believe that voter fraud isn't a major problem. For example, my late MIL, who spoke no english, used to give her ballot to an employee at her NY government provided apartment complex, along with all of the other immigrant seniors, trusting her to fill it out for her. I doubt any republican candidate benefitted.
Its gotta be widespread and I believe only getting worse.
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@skeeter
Here is the California law process for a voter to vote at a polling place:
14216. Any person desiring to vote shall announce his or her name
and address in an audible tone of voice, and when one of the precinct
officers finds the name in the index, the officer shall in a like
manner repeat the name and address. The voter shall then write his or
her name and residence address or, if the voter is unable to write,
shall have the name and residence address written by another person
on a roster of voters provided for that purpose, whereupon a
challenge may be interposed as provided in this article.
14217. If the precinct board is unable to find a voter's name upon
the index of registration, it shall inform the voter that he or she
may cast a provisional ballot and the procedure for doing so. If the
voter elects to cast a provisional ballot, the precinct board shall
furnish the voter with a provisional ballot, in accordance with
Section 14310.
Once that record shows that person with that name and address has correctly voted (that name and address is on the official list), a person with that name and address cannot vote again in that election.
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Trump has made repeated calls for supporters to engage in the election process legally, which means volunteering to poll watch as allowed by law.
Insinuations otherwise are flat out democrat lies. :nono:
Riiiight. Inciting post-election violence is perfectly legal.
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I appreciate your efforts to inform.
But I've seen and heard too much to believe that voter fraud isn't a major problem. For example, my late MIL, who spoke no english, used to give her ballot to an employee at her NY government provided apartment complex, along with all of the other immigrant seniors, trusting her to fill it out for her. I doubt any republican candidate benefitted. Its gotta be widespread and I believe only getting worse.
@skeeter
That is voter fraud and if you had informed the District Attorney, the person or persons doing that would have been stopped and prosecuted. Also, that sounds like a mail in ballot and I doubt those ballots had the paperwork correct and the Early Voting Ballot Board tossed them out.
Remember, the law for mail in ballots states a helper can only help ONE person unless they are related to them by certain degrees. A helper has to print AND sign his/her name on the carrier envelope (people who do this don't read the directions) along with the person's address. See, that helper name would show up on ALL those carrier envelopes and the Board would toss them since the person could only help one. Plus, I almost guarantee the helper didn't print AND sign his/her name and I doubt they put their address on there. I don't think any of those ballots made it past the Early Voting Ballot Board.
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This is solid work. My thanks, @Victoria33 !! :beer:
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I've read this entire thread, and one thing jumps out at me. Yes, the laws would prevent voter fraud, if followed. What leads you to believe that those laws are followed by the election officials in the big cities? I was originally from PA, and I can guarantee you that the laws are ignored in Philadelphia and many other Democrat-controlled locales. Voter fraud is a real thing, and is larger than you seem willing to believe. Why do you think Democrats virtually always win recounts? Some previously-uncounted ballots just appear from the trunk of a Democrat election official's car, most of the time, and are somehow allowed to be added to the count. Please show me the law that allows new ballots to be added to a "recount" of votes cast during a concluded election.
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@Doug Loss
I've read this entire thread, and one thing jumps out at me. Yes, the laws would prevent voter fraud, if followed. What leads you to believe that those laws are followed by the election officials in the big cities?
Thanks for that question as it illustrates one mistake people make about how elections work. A CITY does not run a federal/state election - the COUNTY the city is in, runs the election and it is run exactly like the smallest county in that state. We need to think "county" (see the county in our minds) instead of "city" (Dallas/Philadelphia, etc.)
Seeing the county in our mind instead of a city, that large populated county is like a small populated county in that both use the same laws for an election. Both small and large populated counties have a Republican Chairman and a Democrat Chairman and every polling place has a combination of Republican workers and Democrat workers. The people elect the party chairmen and every official in that county. The county clerk is an elected position and may run their elections or the county commissioners have hired an election administrator. If these county officials, including the party chairmen, are not following the law, then the people need to vote them out.
(I will digress right here and speak about city elections. A city election is separate from a state/federal election; they are not held at the same time. Your state has laws regarding how city elections are held.)
I was originally from PA, and I can guarantee you that the laws are ignored in Philadelphia and many other Democrat-controlled locales. Voter fraud is a real thing, and is larger than you seem willing to believe.
Now we know the city of Philadelphia does not hold the state/federal election, the county does. It does not matter if every city official is a Democrat as the city does not hold the election. The election laws require both parties (if the county has a Republican Party and a Democrat Party) to participate in state/federal elections so the Democrats cannot hold the election without Republican participation. The Republican chairman is responsible for certain duties in an election and it is that person more than anyone who would know if election fraud is happening and the Chairman can stop that problem. If either party has a lousy chairman, that party can vote that person out in the party primary held in the spring - right now, we are talking about the general election in November.
Why do you think Democrats virtually always win recounts? Some previously-uncounted ballots just appear from the trunk of a Democrat election official's car, most of the time, and are somehow allowed to be added to the count. Please show me the law that allows new ballots to be added to a "recount" of votes cast during a concluded election.
Ballots in a car: Please see if you can track down the news reports of ballots found in a car AND counted in a recount. Please send it to me if you find it.
Most of the time, these reports are false as the person reporting does not know the truth of the situation or the law that governs whatever is happening. If ballots were found in a car after the election, they would not be counted and an investigation would start. When we hear a news story like that, we don't hear the follow up as to what the county did to correct that problem. The juicy part is the ballots would found in a car, but seldom is the solution reported and people wouldn't read that part anyway. Those ballots could be Republican ballots or Democrat ballots and most counties now use voting machines, not paper ballots. I am waiting for a report that a voting machine was found in a car. However, with voting machines the reports are how easy it is to change them and that is bogus since the person would have to have the machine in his/her possession. The original article here explains how machines are kept safe so people can't get to them.
Why do you think Democrats virtually always win recounts?
Democrats don't always win recounts, unless that Democrat candidate had more votes cast than the Republican. Remember, there has to be a reason for a recount and one is an automatic recount if the votes cast for both require it - that means both candidates are close in number of ballots cast for them. The ballots as already cast are recounted, no one votes again.
We had automatic recounts in my county. There are laws determining how the recount is done. It is not a haphazard recount. Both parties are present and involved in the recount. The recount of ballots is open to the public to observe.
Yes, sometimes ballot fraud happens but it is not widespread as people think - they read a news story which is usually wrong in its reporting, and they think elections are rigged (where have we heard "rigged' recently). It was actually Trump and his "rigged" statements that prompted me to write this thread.
Today, I will write a piece about ballots as it is obvious people do not know the process as to how ballots are tracked. Every single ballot has a number and every single number has to be accounted for at the end of election day. I will explain that.
@Jazzhead @INVAR @Cripplecreek @CatherineofAragon @skeeter @jmyrlefuller @Suppressed @Night Hides Not @Norm Lenhart @catfish1957 @Fantom @sinkspur @libertybele @LMAO @RAT Patrol @bigheadfred @bilo @musiclady @Chosen Daughter @Bigun @mystery-ak @mr potato head @Emjay @XenaLee @Sanguine @Once-Ler @txradioguy @kartographer @Smokin Joe @montanajoe @Gov Bean Counter @EC @AbaraXas @geronl @roamer_1 @Freya @Oceander @corbe @bigheadfred
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ACCOUNTING/TRACKING PAPER BALLOTS - YES, THERE ARE LAWS
I'll try to make this post fairly short compared to the others as I have two pair of new corduroy pants I am trying to get around to hemming. Even a Petite size is one hem too long, have to turn up that hem and re-hem. Eventually winter is going to come to 30 miles north of Dallas. Why do I tell you this personal trivia? Because every person who votes has personal trivia he/she deals with every single day, just like you do. People have a life and they aren't going to know much, if any, election law.
When I taught election law, lawyers came to attend. What? Don't lawyers know election law? No, they don't. Why? As I told lawyers who attended, there is no money in knowing election law (there was always laughter from the lawyers when I said that). How many people are going to a lawyer's office, maybe once a year or every two years, and be willing to pay them to answer a question about election law? Lawyers can't make a living from election law (except the lawyers who work in the secretary of state's office). Their practices deal with legal problems that are serious to people every day. Since I was involved in elections, I taught myself that law. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand law. You have to be able to know what individual words mean, that's it, and every word counts in law - one word can change the meaning of a law. Back to election ballots:
Every printed ballot has a number. The Director of Elections has a list of those numbers. When an election judge picks up the ballots, he/she signs a document he/she received ballot numbers X to X. At the end of election day, the judge fills out a document listing the numbers of ballots that were voted and which ballots numbers were not voted if ballots are left over. The ballots not voted are returned to the central counting station that night along with the document the judge filled out.
Now, consider a box of ballots found in a car. Are those legal ballots? If so, their numbers are on the list of ballots the Director of Elections has. Those numbers would be compared to determine if they are part of the legal ballots or if they have been printed elsewhere and are not legal ballots. Remember, the Director of Elections, knows which judge was given those number of ballots - every number on a ballot can be traced as to where it originally was if those ballots are legal ballots.
One more important method of tracing ballots. An election judge has to SIGN THE BACK OF EVERY BALLOT. A ballot without the judge's signature on the back is illegal and will be caught. Anyone who tries to insert illegal ballots, using any method, including their being in a car, without a judge's signature on the back will be charged with a crime and those ballots will not be counted. With all these checks on ballots, it is almost impossible to insert illegal ballots and they get counted.
Now, I am going to hem those two pair of pants.
@Jazzhead @INVAR @Cripplecreek @CatherineofAragon @skeeter @jmyrlefuller @Suppressed @Night Hides Not @Norm Lenhart @catfish1957 @Fantom @sinkspur @libertybele @LMAO @RAT Patrol @bigheadfred @bilo @musiclady @Chosen Daughter @Bigun @mystery-ak @mr potato head @Emjay @XenaLee @Sanguine @Once-Ler @txradioguy @kartographer @Smokin Joe @montanajoe @Gov Bean Counter @EC @AbaraXas @geronl @roamer_1 @Freya @Oceander @corbe @bigheadfred @Doug Loss
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Another problem is same day or election day registration. What they do here in Iowa is bus people in with fake utility bills or some other ID with a local address on them and that allows them to register to vote.
The other is driver's licenses as ID to vote. If they can be given to non-citizens, then it's a loophole to allow them to vote.
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Another problem is same day or election day registration. What they do here in Iowa is bus people in with fake utility bills or some other ID with a local address on them and that allows them to register to vote. The other is driver's licenses as ID to vote. If they can be given to non-citizens, then it's a loophole to allow them to vote.
@Free Vulcan
I will look up Iowa's registration methods. We need to know their laws on registration.
Some people think registered voters cannot be bussed to vote. That is entirely legal - registered voters can get to the polls anyway that is offered to them if they can't get there by themselves.
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@Free Vulcan
I will look up Iowa's registration methods. We need to know their laws on registration.
Some people think registered voters cannot be bussed to vote. That is entirely legal - registered voters can get to the polls anyway that is offered to them if they can't get there by themselves.
Couple of links:
https://sos.iowa.gov/elections/voterinformation/voterregistration.html
https://sos.iowa.gov/elections/voterinformation/edr.html
Registration:
Voter Pre-Registration
To pre-register to vote, complete a voter registration form and return it to your county auditor’s office.
The form must be signed. If you are not physically able to sign the form, use a rubber stamp or a mark you use regularly. You may ask someone to sign your name for you as long as the person is with you when signing the form and does so at your request.
If you are a college student, you may choose to register to vote at your home address or at your college address. You cannot register to vote at both.
Your county auditor will send you a voter registration card within two weeks.
Here are same day requirements:
Election Day Registration
You may register and vote on election day. To do so, you first must go to the correct polling place for your current address on election day.
If you are unsure of your polling place, Find Your Precinct/Polling Place.
At the polling place, you must prove both who you are and where you live. The best way to do this is with your valid Iowa driver’s license with your current address printed on it.
Proof of ID
If you do not have an Iowa driver’s license, you may use a photo ID that is current, valid, and contain an expiration date. The following are acceptable IDs:
Iowa non-driver ID card
Out-of-state driver's license or non-driver ID card
U.S. passport
U.S. military ID
ID card issued by employer
Student ID issued by Iowa high school or college
Proof of Residence
If your photo ID does not contain your current address, you may use another document to prove where you live if it contains your name and current address. The following are acceptable proofs of residence:
Residential lease
Utility bill (including a cell phone bill)
Bank statement
Paycheck
Government check or other government document
Attester
If you cannot prove who you are and where you live with the documents listed above, a registered voter from your precinct may attest for you. Both you and the attester will be required to sign an oath swearing the statements being made are true.
Falsely attesting or being attested for is registration fraud. It is a class “D” felony and is punishable by a fine of up to $7,500 and up to 5 years in prison.
Sadly, it isn't that hard to get registered in Iowa. Not as hard as it should be.
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@Victoria33
Excellent info! Thanks! :patriot:
Even though you left me off your ping list. :laugh:
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First off, the city of Philadelphia is a county in PA. There may be separate governments (I'm not sure) but Philadelphia County is one of the 67 in PA.
As for vote fraud, here are some links from the Washington state gubernatorial election in 2004:
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Dead-voted-in-governor-s-race-1163612.php (http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Dead-voted-in-governor-s-race-1163612.php)
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Judge-upholds-Gregoire-s-election-Rossi-won-t-1175262.php (http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Judge-upholds-Gregoire-s-election-Rossi-won-t-1175262.php)
http://www.volokh.com/posts/1224549333.shtml (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1224549333.shtml)
And one from Philly in 1994:
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/19/us/vote-fraud-ruling-shifts-pennsylvania-senate.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/19/us/vote-fraud-ruling-shifts-pennsylvania-senate.html)
And from the Minnesota race for US Senate in 2012:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrezza/2012/08/08/sen-al-franken-voter-fraud-revelations-call-for-ways-to-reduce-it/#6152deca488f (http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrezza/2012/08/08/sen-al-franken-voter-fraud-revelations-call-for-ways-to-reduce-it/#6152deca488f)
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/07/20/al-franken-may-have-won-his-senate-seat-through-voter-fraud (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/07/20/al-franken-may-have-won-his-senate-seat-through-voter-fraud)
And specifically about ballots "found" in car trunks:
http://www.redstate.com/martin_a_knight/2010/11/02/democrats-and-union-officials-miraculously-finding-lost-ballot-boxes-in-their-car-trunks/ (http://www.redstate.com/martin_a_knight/2010/11/02/democrats-and-union-officials-miraculously-finding-lost-ballot-boxes-in-their-car-trunks/)
Your information is admirable, but your conclusions are flawed.
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@Victoria33
Excellent info! Thanks! :patriot:
Even though you left me off your ping list. :laugh:
@Machiavelli
I'll put you on. 888high58888
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"First off, the city of Philadelphia is a county in PA. There may be separate governments (I'm not sure) but Philadelphia County is one of the 67 in PA."
@Doug Loss
There is also a Dallas County but it includes more towns/cities than the city of Dallas and I expect Philadelphia County also includes other towns/cities. Just the city of Philadelphia does not hold state/federal elections. They hold "city" elections for their city officials. I can find all of Philadelphia County easily on the web to see how large that county is.
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@Doug Loss
There is also a Dallas County but it includes more towns/cities than the city of Dallas and I expect Philadelphia County also includes other towns/cities. Just the city of Philadelphia does not hold state/federal elections. They hold "city" elections for their city officials. I can find all of Philadelphia County easily on the web to see how large that county is.
And...you're wrong. "Since 1854, the county has been coterminous with the city of Philadelphia, which also serves as its seat."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_County,_Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_County,_Pennsylvania)
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@Machiavelli
I'll put you on. 888high58888
@Victoria33
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And...you're wrong. "Since 1854, the county has been coterminous with the city of Philadelphia, which also serves as its seat." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_County,_Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_County,_Pennsylvania)
@Doug Loss
@CatherineofAragon
@Machiavelli
So, I read that history, let's see if we have that straight: they combined all the towns in the county and renamed them all Philadelphia and the courthouse is in Philadelphia which is the name of all the area since all the townships are now called Philadelphia so the county is called Philadelphia which is the county seat where the courthouse is in Philadelphia and that is so because they renamed all the towns to call them Philadelphia, one big Philadelphia so everyone in the county would live in Philadelphia. Now I think we all understand, all the towns used to have a name but now they are all called Philadelphia because they renamed all the towns/townships/hamlets, and now call them Philadelphia and the county seat is in Philadelphia because that is the only name available as the county and all the towns/cities are called Philadelphia.
And, the history says, "The county has voted for the Democrat in every presidential election since 1932." Perhaps that is why they renamed all the towns/cities/townships/hamlets to be Philadelphia, so they could be one big inclusive name county, Democrat Philadelphia County (which includes every city/town/hamlet that used to have a different name before they renamed them all to be Philadelphia.)
Now, I think we have it.
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@Doug Loss
@CatherineofAragon
@Machiavelli
So, I read that history, let's see if we have that straight: they combined all the towns in the county and renamed them all Philadelphia and the courthouse is in Philadelphia which is the name of all the area since all the townships are now called Philadelphia so the county is called Philadelphia which is the county seat where the courthouse is in Philadelphia and that is so because they renamed all the towns to call them Philadelphia, one big Philadelphia so everyone in the county would live in Philadelphia. Now I think we all understand, all the towns used to have a name but now they are all called Philadelphia because they renamed all the towns/townships/hamlets, and now call them Philadelphia and the county seat is in Philadelphia because that is the only name available as the county and all the towns/cities are called Philadelphia.
And, the history says, "The county has voted for the Democrat in every presidential election since 1932." Perhaps that is why they renamed all the towns/cities/townships/hamlets to be Philadelphia, so they could be one big inclusive name county, Democrat Philadelphia County (which includes every city/town/hamlet that used to have a different name before they renamed them all to be Philadelphia.)
Now, I think we have it.
Somewhat snarky, but close. For 162 years the city and county of Philadelphia have been the same thing. You do know that many cities expand by incorporating previously independent neighboring regions into the city, right? And after 162 years, there's pretty much no vestige of the formerly independent regions left. It's all Philadelphia now.
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Every state must follow these laws and had to rewrite their election code to include them.
All due respect (and that is great) laws are only effective if they are observed and adhered to. If a local authority chooses not to obey a law or to follow up on reports of violations, and the federal overseers do not enforce the law or follow up on reports of lack of enforcement, then the law does not in fact exist. All that is required to render any and all of the safeguards mentioned in the essay null and void is someone who is knowledgeable enough to be able to exploit the ambiguity /vagueness of laws, or is stupid, vicious or fanatical enough to be willing to commit a crime and not worry much about getting caught later. How hard is that to find among far-left Democrats especially?
Many of the most activist Democrats are also the most radical, and therefore the most likely to be willing to commit criminal acts to further their cause.
That is the crux of one of the most fundamental issues at stake in this election - republicanism v. rule by people. The lawlessness of the current regime sets the tone for the entire nation - instead of having just the 500 some odd members of the federal government executive/legislative/judicial branch ignoring laws, we are faced largely and increasingly with an entire federal bureaucracy and countless state and local officials who also have heard the dog whistle and picked up the gauntlet of leftist defiance of the rule of law.
With questionable management of the electronic voting machines, the mechanisms by which the integrity of the votes is monitored / secured, the documentation process by which legitimate voters are demarcated apart from illegal voters, we have a potential for fraud on an unprecedented scale. Possibly not just a fraction of a percentage point but tens of percentage points or even higher in some venues.
Nobody ever went broke betting on the amorality, lawlessness and viciousness of leftists.
As magnificently exhaustive and informative as your article is, I found little in it to assuage my concerns that there is massive opportunity for fraud/corruption of the voting process or that licentious leftists will not seize that opportunity with both hands, as it were, and run with it.
Voter fraud is a crime very much like murder but with an expiration date for the statute of limitations that is only about a month long at the outside. Imagine if people could commit murder knowing that if they were not caught in a month, they would never be prosecuted!! That is essentially what we have with vote fraud. Once a total is certified and added to the official electoral college totals, there is little or nothing that anyone, anywhere can do to undue the damage.
In previous elections (Loretta Sanchez's first election comes to mind) enough fraud was uncovered POSTHASTE related to MECCHA to have invalidated the election, also a similar thing happened when the odious Al Franken got Coleman concede before enough irregularities were uncovered to have thrown the election results into serious question. Because in both cases the opponent conceded prior to that discovery, nothing could be done about the fact that California Rep. Loretta Sanchez and U.S. Senator Franken were both likely defeated by legal votes and elected by application of fraud.
In what is arguably one of the most important elections of modern history, and the level of intensity of the rhetoric of the far left in regard to their hatred (yes, manifest, pathological, psychotic, homicidal hatred) for conservatives and Republicans, it's possibly reasonable to assume that there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Democrats around the nation (many in positions where they have an opportunity to commit massive vote fraud) who would risk whatever excruciatingly minute chance there is of them being caught and punished severely in order to (as they see it) prevent a political catastrophe on par with the Nazi holocaust or Pompeii (namely the election of Donald Trump to be president).
There is also the added factor that law enforcement in this nation is very much like the strong atomic force - very strong at closest proximity, but almost non-existent the further away it gets. Also law enforcement has a conflicting priority with crimes that involve one or a few people as distinct from a massive number of people.
If law enforcement becomes aware of a crime committed by one person alone, they can easily move in, arrest and place them into custody. However, if there is a massive crowd of people, small crimes observed by officers are ignored because the greater priority become crowd containment and the prevention of larger disorder. So if one person commits a crime, it can be dealt with as a crime, but if a million people commit a crime, it becomes a "social movement" and is largely and increasingly ignored by law enforcement, as witnessed by those who watched several cities being victimized by looters and rioters across the nation over the last few months and years of the Obama administration.
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Trump has no idea how elections work.
Again with some great respect I feel obligated to point out that you post to some extent like an elitist who assumes that because sophisticated laws or procedures are on the books, they will be enforced, obeyed and provide safeguards. That is characteristic of people who spend much or most of their time around others who respect and enforce order.
This essential difference between people of academic and business proclivities may be demonstrated in this wrong assumption, since when people with effete sensibilities are confronted by the brutal sturm-und-drang of day-to-day adversity and chaos of the real world, they often recoil in disgust and disorientation, retreating back into their well-ordered world where "everything is beautiful and nothing hurts" (Kurt Vonnegut).
Successful business people on the other hand, often are not terribly offended by disorder or even misbehavior, but rather embrace their inevitability as part of "the norm" and therefore, adapt to them strategically with greater ease than people who find such things frightening and intensely, personally offensive.
Machiavelli said of people with refined sensibilities which assume that people will innately and readily conform to order and morality, (forgive me) "...such fools are a gift to tyrants because they ensure that nothing nefarious in purpose will ever be suspected of (corrupt rulers) until long after the fact of their execution and success."
A substantive response would be welcome, rather than more denigrating, highly-divisive remarks directed at the candidate and those who support him.
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@LateForLunch
"Again with some great respect I feel obligated to point out that you post to some extent like an elitist who assumes that because sophisticated laws or procedures are on the books, they will be enforced, obeyed and provide safeguards. That is characteristic of people who spend much or most of their time around others who respect and enforce order."
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No, I speak as one who along with my husband, turned a Democrat county into a Republican one, using election law to do it. There was no Republican Primary held in that county. If one wanted a Republican Primary ballot, one had to go to the county clerk's office on Primary Election day and ask for one. We didn't know if those ballots got counted. Every county office was held by a Democrat. There was a Republican County Chairman and no one knew who he was as he was doing nothing. We found him and he was forced to hold a Republican Primary because we ran my husband for Republican Chairman.
My husband won and we opened a Republican office and people came and we organized a Republican Party, held meetings every month - I trained people who offered to work as election judges and clerks and we had more and more people coming and after two and four and six years, we had to order more and more ballots for the Republican Primary until we went to voting machines. We elected Republicans for county offices, including the District Attorney, the first one in the county ever, along with the first Republican Commissioners and Constables. It think it was by ten years, could have been less, there were more Republicans voting for Republicans in the general election than were Democrats in the county.
It wasn't easy to get to that point, the Democrats hated us - during part of that time, their main man had his right hand man follow my car every time I left my house. When we went to our monthly Republican meeting, another of this man's friends stood in front of the restaurant and took pictures of everyone who came. One of them sat just outside the meeting room in the restaurant so he could hear what was being said in the meeting room. We never said anything in there that would be "secret" information because we didn't work like that.
One year before we had a Republican District Attorney, the Democrat District Attorney filed a case against me to the State Attorney General to try to stop me from being Judge of the Early Voting Ballot Board. My name was either the headline on the front page of the weekly paper or there were articles against me by these Democrats AND the District attorney on the editorial page. I answered these people on the editorial page for six months. A Democrat Asst. District Attorney in that county office said he would arrest me if I showed up at the Early Voting Ballot Board in the next election. I knew I was right, that I could be that judge, and after that six months, the State Attorney General ruled in my favor on January 12, 2001, which I knew he would because I was right.
You can go to the Texas Attorney General website and look up Attorney General John Cornyn Opinion No. X-03300, and there is the case and Cornyn's opinion exonerating me. In the next county election, that Democrat District Attorney lost and that was when the first Republican District Attorney was elected in our county.
If you are going to play the game of politics, you need to know the rules to win. The rules are the election laws. We knew them and the Democrats did not. Any Democrat county that has election fraud in it can be stopped by Republicans, specifically the Republican County Chairman - that is his/her job - fair elections. If there is fraud in your county, contact the Republican Chairman and find out what he/she is doing to bring about fair elections. We did it and so can others. It takes guts and not giving up even when Democrats attack you. If you know the law, use it, and stay true to the law yourself, fair elections will result.
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Great story @Victoria33. I like the way you play ball. Exactly the way I liked to during almost 20 years on politics. Never back down from those jackhats.
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Great story @Victoria33. I like the way you play ball. Exactly the way I liked to during almost 20 years on politics. Never back down from those jackhats.
@Free Vulcan
Thanks. If you know the rules and the opposition doesn't, you will eventually win if you stay true to the law yourself. If you have been in it that long, you know that. 888high58888
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@Free Vulcan
Thanks. If you know the rules and the opposition doesn't, you will eventually win if you stay true to the law yourself. If you have been in it that long, you know that. 888high58888
Yep. It's pretty much why I got out after '14. I live in a blue collar Dem county and cut my teeth in that game, then went on to do state level races. After running two different campaigns in high dollar races in back-to-back elections, and watching the state Senate Majority Fund piddle fiddle while the Dems ran circles around them, I said no more.
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Great story @Victoria33. I like the way you play ball. Exactly the way I liked to during almost 20 years on politics. Never back down from those jackhats.
It's more than a story! it's the absolute truth and I can personally attest to every word of it!
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It's more than a story! it's the absolute truth and I can personally attest to every word of it!
@Bigun
@mystery-ak
Yes, Bigun, you lived in the next county and worked with that county party and the case against me was known by you and the rest of the workers in your county. You knew of those Dems in our county who were at war with us. The entire state Republican Party knew what was happening about that case.
I didn't say why our District Attorney wanted to remove me as Judge of the Early Voting Ballot Board, but it was due to the fact that my Early Voting Ballot Board was tossing out mail ballots that were fraudulent and before me there was a Democrat judge of that board, and no mail ballots had ever been checked except to compare signatures. There was nursing home fraud and my Board made up of Republicans AND Democrats, tossed those ballots. They were all Dem ballots. That is why the Dems wanted me out of the Judge position.
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It's more than a story! it's the absolute truth and I can personally attest to every word of it!
No worries Bigun, I meant 'story' in the personal sense, as in 'something from my past that I experienced'. I know it's real because Dems have a pattern of behavior, and her experience is the same I've heard from many activists over the years, plus my own as well.
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Who would have thought there was another room besides 'Politics'? (jk)
Very informative Post, Thank You for Posting @Victoria33
Forwarded to my (Texas) Election Clerk, Wonderful Women, Hat's off to you too, Claire Lynn.
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Who would have thought there was another room besides 'Politics'? (jk) Very informative Post, Thank You for Posting @Victoria33 Forwarded to my (Texas) Election Clerk, Wonderful Women, Hat's off to you too, Claire Lynn.
@corbe
Send me a private message to tell me in which Texas county you live. During the time I was working with the state party, various county chairmen or workers would send me a message about their voting problems, and I would give them information as to how they could solve those problems. Those were problems they were involved in at that very minute. It may be I had contact with your county.
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@Victoria33
Sounds rigged to me.... soooo totally rigged.
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@Victoria33
Sounds rigged to me.... soooo totally rigged.
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Victoria's posts are mostly welcome and informative. But seriously - can we lose the flippant insults? For most serious-minded conservatives and other normal people, there are many legitimate concerns about the integrity of the voting system which warrant being addressed (and of course, the mass media has utterly failed to do much thorough, in-depth reporting on the voting system). The fact that Trump is not afraid to draw the fire of people (mostly on the far left) who would have us believe that all is perfectly well with the voting system and that those concerns are paranoid, does him credit.
This is a similar to what he did for the issues of both legal and illegal immigration, which virtually nobody was talking about but him at one point, and which afterward became something which was explored in more depth across the board. He received massive derision for that as well so what else is new?
Don't let personal dislike or disapproval blind you to the bigger picture of what the Trump campaign has accomplished - it has become very much a healthy anti-establishment, anti-status-quo movement which has attracted people from a wide range of political allegiance.
Like him or dislike him, honest people have to admit that Trump's willingness to say whatever he feels like without being afraid of criticism for it from the mass media or others, has been something which has inspired many people and also brought many who had become totally disaffiliated from participation in the political campaign back in. Credit where credit is due.
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Victoria's posts are mostly welcome and informative. But seriously - can we lose the flippant insults? For most serious-minded conservatives and other normal people, there are many legitimate concerns about the integrity of the voting system which warrant being addressed ...
The fact that Trump is not afraid to draw the fire of people (mostly on the far left) who would have us believe that all is perfectly well with the voting system and that those concerns are paranoid, does him credit.
@mystery-ak
@LateForLunch
I started this thread because Trump LIES when he says the election is RIGGED (which it isn't) and wants his people to follow voters when they vote (which is illegal).
I spent a number of hours, like most of a day, writing the original thread article/essay/whatever, to show Trump is absolutely wrong about elections being "rigged" and has to know he is lying and he doesn't care as long as he can rile up people to think they have to elect him or elections will stay "rigged".
No, I don't give him credit for lying about the process which caused my decision to write the truth about the process. I would rather have spent my day doing something else, but I wanted to correct his lying - I was sick of hearing him every day, misleading voters. At least I could help voters here who post and those who lurk/read know the truth if I wrote it, so I did.
Your post is complaining, asking that posts like the following one stop on this thread - the post to which you refer, is a sarcastic remark on this thread and labeled sarcastic by the writer, "Sounds rigged to me...soooo totally rigged." That post contains no language like Trump's sexual offensive remarks, it has no curse words, it is just a humorous comment.
Now, from me to you, this is not a Trump praising thread - it came about by Trump lying about the election process and passing that wrong information (saying it is all rigged) to millions of people who listen to him, evidently including you. You are welcome to take your Trump praise post off this thread and put it on one of the "Safe Room" Trump praising threads.
As for me, I would like to do what he suggests he wants to do - he wants to sue any individual who says something about him he doesn't like, sue any news outlet who says something he does like. If he can do that, I would like to sue "him" for lying about the election process which caused me to write the truth. I want money for a days worth of professional work and more money because I studied election law for many years to know what it truly said, and more money for depreciation of my computer while writing the article (Trump says he loves "depreciation" on his tax returns). I also want more money due to the emotional stress he puts me through by his running for president when he isn't qualified. Trump's name: "Amuck Trump" - Amuck - Adjective - Frenzied as if possessed by a demon. Adverb - In a murderous frenzy. Wildly; without self-control."
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@mystery-ak
@LateForLunch
I started this thread because Trump LIES when he says the election is RIGGED (which it isn't) and wants his people to follow voters when they vote (which is illegal).
I spent a number of hours, like most of a day, writing the original thread article/essay/whatever, to show Trump is absolutely wrong about elections being "rigged" and has to know he is lying and he doesn't care as long as he can rile up people to think they have to elect him or elections will stay "rigged".
No, I don't give him credit for lying about the process which caused my decision to write the truth about the process. I would rather have spent my day doing something else, but I wanted to correct his lying - I was sick of hearing him every day, misleading voters. At least I could help voters here who post and those who lurk/read know the truth if I wrote it, so I did.
Your post is complaining, asking that posts like the following one stop on this thread - the post to which you refer, is a sarcastic remark on this thread and labeled sarcastic by the writer, "Sounds rigged to me...soooo totally rigged." That post contains no language like Trump's sexual offensive remarks, it has no curse words, it is just a humorous comment.
Now, from me to you, this is not a Trump praising thread - it came about by Trump lying about the election process and passing that wrong information (saying it is all rigged) to millions of people who listen to him, evidently including you. You are welcome to take your Trump praise post off this thread and put it on one of the "Safe Room" Trump praising threads.
As for me, I would like to do what he suggests he wants to do - he wants to sue any individual who says something about him he doesn't like, sue any news outlet who says something he does like. If he can do that, I would like to sue "him" for lying about the election process which caused me to write the truth. I want money for a days worth of professional work and more money because I studied election law for many years to know what it truly said, and more money for depreciation of my computer while writing the article (Trump says he loves "depreciation" on his tax returns). I also want more money due to the emotional stress he puts me through by his running for president when he isn't qualified. Trump's name: "Amuck Trump" - Amuck - Adjective - Frenzied as if possessed by a demon. Adverb - In a murderous frenzy. Wildly; without self-control."
That was uncalled for. LateForLunch did not say anything nasty or unpleasant to you, he just stated opinions that many of us have. You may believe that all the election laws on the books preclude any large-scale vote fraud, but many of us find that belief to be dangerously naive. I'm not a Trump supporter (extremely not), but being concerned about the integrity of the vote is not one of the things he's said that are lunacy.
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"I'm not a Trump supporter (extremely not), but being concerned about the integrity of the vote is not one of the things he's said that are lunacy."
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If you believe that, you haven't been listening to him day after day raving about "rigged" election.
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"I'm not a Trump supporter (extremely not), but being concerned about the integrity of the vote is not one of the things he's said that are lunacy."
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If you believe that, you haven't been listening to him day after day raving about "rigged" election.
And you didn't listen to what I said. Let me repeat: Being concerned about the integrity of the vote is not lunacy. It's valid. Does Trump sound crazy with pretty much everything he says? Yes. Does that mean that there's no reason to be concerned about vote fraud? Of course not. Anyone who isn't concerned is naive.
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And you didn't listen to what I said. Let me repeat: Being concerned about the integrity of the vote is not lunacy. It's valid. Does Trump sound crazy with pretty much everything he says? Yes. Does that mean that there's no reason to be concerned about vote fraud? Of course not. Anyone who isn't concerned is naive.
Amen!!
Naïve or worse - so caught up in the hate-fest against candidate Trump that some gleefully rescript anything and everything that the sadistic mass media try to pass off as "crazy" (if ever there was a more-overused or casually-misapplied term than "crazy", I'm not sure what it is). It's discouraging to observe how clearly some of the most-venomous Trump-haters get a perverse personal ego charge from denigrating him. Very much like what Laura Ingraham calls a "pig pile": groups of like-minded, mean-spirited people joining together in a festival of vituperation and malice against someone.
Although I can respect passion, this anti-Trumpism has taken on a nastiness that is very close to a classic mob-mentality so often demonstrated with leftists.
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@mystery-ak
@LateForLunch
I started this thread because Trump LIES when he says the election is RIGGED (which it isn't) and wants his people to follow voters when they vote (which is illegal).
I spent a number of hours, like most of a day, writing the original thread article/essay/whatever, to show Trump is absolutely wrong about elections being "rigged" and has to know he is lying and he doesn't care as long as he can rile up people to think they have to elect him or elections will stay "rigged".
No, I don't give him credit for lying about the process which caused my decision to write the truth about the process. I would rather have spent my day doing something else, but I wanted to correct his lying - I was sick of hearing him every day, misleading voters. At least I could help voters here who post and those who lurk/read know the truth if I wrote it, so I did.
Your post is complaining, asking that posts like the following one stop on this thread - the post to which you refer, is a sarcastic remark on this thread and labeled sarcastic by the writer, "Sounds rigged to me...soooo totally rigged." That post contains no language like Trump's sexual offensive remarks, it has no curse words, it is just a humorous comment.
Now, from me to you, this is not a Trump praising thread - it came about by Trump lying about the election process and passing that wrong information (saying it is all rigged) to millions of people who listen to him, evidently including you. You are welcome to take your Trump praise post off this thread and put it on one of the "Safe Room" Trump praising threads.
As for me, I would like to do what he suggests he wants to do - he wants to sue any individual who says something about him he doesn't like, sue any news outlet who says something he does like. If he can do that, I would like to sue "him" for lying about the election process which caused me to write the truth. I want money for a days worth of professional work and more money because I studied election law for many years to know what it truly said, and more money for depreciation of my computer while writing the article (Trump says he loves "depreciation" on his tax returns). I also want more money due to the emotional stress he puts me through by his running for president when he isn't qualified. Trump's name: "Amuck Trump" - Amuck - Adjective - Frenzied as if possessed by a demon. Adverb - In a murderous frenzy. Wildly; without self-control."
Wow Victoria. 'Sounds like I hit a nerve. But I WAS unfair to you in some ways, so below you will find at least a partial apology.
Before the apologies I must however raise a point of information that Mr. Trump has largely only voiced opinions and an opinion cannot be a lie can it? I haven't overtly condemned you. In fact, I praised your "wonderfully informative post". I differed with you on some of the aspects of your tone and personal opinions about the candidate. I was being honest because to me, your tone seemed to echo an attitude I see a lot in more-educated, more-moneyed people (conservatives and leftists). I travel a lot in circles where I interact with moneyed, highly educated people, even though I am not rich or hold any advanced degrees or lofty social position myself.
So let's not make any mistake about this: The information in your initial post is wonderful, invaluable and fully worthy of the highest praise! If effective efforts can be mounted to stop the tide of voter fraud that is without any question surging our way as we type in this election cycle, your post is a critically-important guide for how to do it.
Sorry that I hurt your feelings. Sincerely, I am. This is an important an issue - arguably the most important issue of the whole campaign. So it's hard for me to be diffident. You deserve a lot of credit for what you have done and are doing for conservatism. Don't ever doubt that I fully appreciate that and everyone else who wants to call themselves a conservative should as well.
I'll take responsibility for possibly going further with indicting your character than was deserved, so my apology for that is sincere. But no apology for supporting Trump bringing up election fraud (even if he used a blunt-force approach) or his complaining about fraud publicly by using the general term "rigged". That was fully, wholly appropriate (this is PR war and in PR war, moderate terminology or phrasing is useless at getting the message out there) and I could not disagree more strongly with you and anyone else who faults him for doing it.
I will disregard all of the other angry things stated or implied about me. I'll take responsibility for being unfair and getting your dander up! Your initial post is (sans vituperations) is arguably the best post I have ever read on any political forum. Your obvious, unimpeachable sincerity is just inspiring beyond words to easily describe.
Again, I am sincerely sorry my initial post on this thread made you feel insulted and unappreciated after all of your exquisitely effective hard work and sacrifice. If I could I would rephrase my criticisms with a far less-personal tone to avoid any sense of disrespect or causing of hurt feelings on your part, Chatelain!!
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Amen!!
Naïve or worse - so caught up in the hate-fest against candidate Trump that some gleefully rescript anything and everything that the sadistic mass media try to pass off as "crazy" (if ever there was a more-overused or casually-misapplied term than "crazy", I'm not sure what it is). It's discouraging to observe how clearly some of the most-venomous Trump-haters get a perverse personal ego charge from denigrating him. Very much like what Laura Ingraham calls a "pig pile": groups of like-minded, mean-spirited people joining together in a festival of vituperation and malice against someone.
Although I can respect passion, this anti-Trumpism has taken on a nastiness that is very close to a classic mob-mentality so often demonstrated with leftists.
Don't take what I said as support for Trump; it wasn't. But the points you made were valid.
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Don't take what I said as support for Trump; it wasn't. But the points you made were valid.
hah hah fair enough. Thank you for your comments. Posts like these let me know without question that I am on a conservative forum!! Most conservatives have more class in their little fingers than most leftists have in their whole family tree.
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@LateForLunch
@Doug Loss
@CatherineofAragon
@Oceander
The last two days Trump has said in his rallies, THERE IS ELECTION FRAUD IN TEXAS!
O'Riley believes that now, too, and likely millions believe it because Trump said it.
Anyone who thinks Trump doesn't habitually lie is believing a fantasy. He knows that isn't true but he will keep saying it as it suits his purpose.
A few voters, at different locations in Texas, made a mistake when they voted and an election worker had them vote over correctly. These voters checked "Republican Straight Ticket", THEN they checked "Donald Trump" which removed the vote for his name and her name was checked.
If one votes Straight Ticket, and that is what you want, don't check on other names.
What happened was voter error, not election fraud and they voted over with election worker help.
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@LateForLunch
@Doug Loss
@CatherineofAragon
@Oceander
The last two days Trump has said in his rallies, THERE IS ELECTION FRAUD IN TEXAS!
O'Riley believes that now, too, and likely millions believe it because Trump said it.
Anyone who thinks Trump doesn't habitually lie is believing a fantasy. He knows that isn't true but he will keep saying it as it suits his purpose.
A few voters, at different locations in Texas, made a mistake when they voted and an election worker had them vote over correctly. These voters checked "Republican Straight Ticket", THEN they checked "Donald Trump" which removed the vote for his name and her name was checked.
If one votes Straight Ticket, and that is what you want, don't check on other names.
What happened was voter error, not election fraud and they voted over with election worker help.
No, what is being referenced in most of the articles about Texas vote fraud I've reviewed are mail-in ballots, not electronic voting. A little quick on the trigger there Annie Oakley!
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@LateForLunch
No, you aren't listening to the news. It was supposed voter fraud in Texas happening now at the polls and those instances were voter error which was corrected by the election workers.
Mail in ballots are not in the news since they aren't evaluated until one or two days before election day and they aren't counted until election day.
I won't be correcting you any more as you can read the laws above about how elections work as I don't have much time right now since I am working on instructing a class at church and that is not about elections, it is about Logos.
Also, the election is now bogged down in "Carlos Danger", also known as Anthony Weiner. There is no election law regarding Carlos Danger/A. Weiner.
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@LateForLunch
No, you aren't listening to the news. It was supposed voter fraud in Texas happening now at the polls and those instances were voter error which was corrected by the election workers.
Mail in ballots are not in the news since they aren't evaluated until one or two days before election day and they aren't counted until election day.
I won't be correcting you any more as you can read the laws above about how elections work as I don't have much time right now since I am working on instructing a class at church and that is not about elections, it is about Logos.
Also, the election is now bogged down in "Carlos Danger", also known as Anthony Weiner. There is no election law regarding Carlos Danger/A. Weiner.
I get that ONE of the issues in Texas involved electronic voting errors and you posts have been very enlightening. I am grateful for the time you have taken to share that with everyone.
Search engines queried on vote fraud in Texas reveal that there is a lot of concern about how some sectors of Texas have liberalized their vote-by-mail processes to make it almost insanely easy to commit fraud. Since it's mailed in, it makes the chances that anyone will be caught or punished for fraud almost inconceivably remote.
That doesn't concern you, sister? It concerns me a great deal. I assume that since is a large enough number of people in Texas concerned about it, that there is something there of substance. At worst, it's worth some attention to find out what all of the hubbub is about.
Logos : (1) The Word of God, or principle of divine reason and creative order, identified in the Gospel of John with the second person of the Trinity incarnate in Jesus Christ.
(2) (Jungian psychology) the principle of reason and judgment, associated with the animus.
I have a very acute interest in Logos in both senses of the term and will be very interested in anything that you may post about that topic on another thread.
Again, I know I speak for everyone who has read this thread when I say that you are a hero! Thanks for just being you. Sorry again for any perceived disrespect. Only love to you and yours!