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Title: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 28, 2021, 02:28:11 pm
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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/amc-shares-triple-as-retail-investor-raid-of-hedge-fund-short-targets-spreads-from-gamestop.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/amc-shares-triple-as-retail-investor-raid-of-hedge-fund-short-targets-spreads-from-gamestop.html)

Shares of embattled movie theater giant AMC Entertainment more than quadrupled on Wednesday amid a flurry of trading activity in some of Wall Street’s most shorted stocks.

The frenzy started right out of the gate. About 10 minutes into the session, trading in the stock was halted for the first time due to volatility. Shares were halted several additional times during the first hour of trading amid heavy activity.

The stock finished the day with a 301.21% gain to close at $19.90. That was slightly below the stock’s high of the day — $20.36 — from just after the opening bell. During premarket trading shares had been up as much as 360%.
Roughly one hour into trading more than 500 million shares had already changed hands — significantly above the stock’s 30-day average volume of 86.8 million shares a day. By 4pmET more than 1.1 billion shares had been traded.

Individual investors are creating short squeezes by piling into these names, while hedge funds that are short on the other side are rushing to cover their losses. They are promoting their activity on the wallstreetbets Reddit board, which has 2.8 million members. AMC appeared to be a growing topic of interest on the board.

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Rather that discuss this actual event (social media manipulation of equity price, in a war of shorts vs. reddit nuts), I would rather talk about the symptoms of what appears to be a hurricane of a market in the not too distant future.  10,000 flashing red lights should be blinding investors when there is a 31K DJIA in the shadow of a Biden presidency, where business will be facing those head winds of that hurricane. There will be a tipping point when speculation finally collapses under the weight of consitent poor EPS reporting,

There is a legend that either Joe Kennedy or J.D Rockerfeller got out of the market in the summer of 1929, when he started getting stop tips from shoe shine boys who were shining their shoes for a penny a pop. I see these fun and games at Reddit, as a similar event.  And honestly, IMO .....  ANY speculative play right now is risky as hell. 

OTOH, I do see one bit of brightness in this mess.  I have always abhored Shortys, who amount to be the vultures of the business world.  Seeing these buzzards getting their wings clipped a bit, does give me a few chuckles.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 28, 2021, 02:33:41 pm
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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/amc-shares-triple-as-retail-investor-raid-of-hedge-fund-short-targets-spreads-from-gamestop.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/amc-shares-triple-as-retail-investor-raid-of-hedge-fund-short-targets-spreads-from-gamestop.html)

Shares of embattled movie theater giant AMC Entertainment more than quadrupled on Wednesday amid a flurry of trading activity in some of Wall Street’s most shorted stocks.

The frenzy started right out of the gate. About 10 minutes into the session, trading in the stock was halted for the first time due to volatility. Shares were halted several additional times during the first hour of trading amid heavy activity.

The stock finished the day with a 301.21% gain to close at $19.90. That was slightly below the stock’s high of the day — $20.36 — from just after the opening bell. During premarket trading shares had been up as much as 360%.
Roughly one hour into trading more than 500 million shares had already changed hands — significantly above the stock’s 30-day average volume of 86.8 million shares a day. By 4pmET more than 1.1 billion shares had been traded.

Individual investors are creating short squeezes by piling into these names, while hedge funds that are short on the other side are rushing to cover their losses. They are promoting their activity on the wallstreetbets Reddit board, which has 2.8 million members. AMC appeared to be a growing topic of interest on the board.

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Rather that discuss this actual event (social media manipulation of equity price, in a war of shorts vs. reddit nuts), I would rather talk about the symptoms of what appears to be a hurricane of a market in the not too distant future.  10,000 flashing red lights should be blinding investors when there is a 31K DJIA in the shadow of a Biden presidency, where business will be facing those head winds of that hurricane. There will be a tipping point when speculation finally collapses under the weight of consitent poor EPS reporting,

There is a legend that either Joe Kennedy or J.D Rockerfeller got out of the market in the summer of 1929, when he started getting stop tips from shoe shine boys who were shining their shoes for a penny a pop. I see these fun and games at Reddit, as a similar event.  And honestly, IMO .....  ANY speculative play right now is risky as hell. 

OTOH, I do see one bit of brightness in this mess.  I have always abhored Shortys, who amount to be the vultures of the business world.  Seeing these buzzards getting their wings clipped a bit, does give me a few chuckles.

I think the Reddit baby boys are trying to hurt the hedge funds but bidding up short sales. While I hate reddit with all of my being, I bid them good luck on this endeavor.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 28, 2021, 02:44:43 pm
I think the Reddit baby boys are trying to hurt the hedge funds but bidding up short sales. While I hate reddit with all of my being, I bid them good luck on this endeavor.

The deep dark secret is that there has likely lot of collusion among these large fund managers that is so stealth that SEC would have no chance of intervening in equtiy price manipulation.  I have always considered the underbelly of the investment world, but with little or few solutions to fix. 

But I agree with you, I do get a warm feeling seeing some payback unleashed on  these guys.   But in this kind of game of high stakes chicken, they stand to loose a wad in the process.  Hope it was fun money.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 28, 2021, 05:00:54 pm
Look who Biden chose to run the SEC's Enforcement Division:



Melissa Hodgman Named Acting Director of Division of Enforcement
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE   |   2021-15


Washington D.C., Jan. 22, 2021 —
The Securities and Exchange Commission today announced Melissa R. Hodgman, currently an Associate Director in the Commission's Division of Enforcement, has been named Acting Director of the Division of Enforcement.

https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2021-15 (https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2021-15)



Melissa Hodgman is the wife of Peter Strzok.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: XenaLee on January 28, 2021, 05:11:18 pm
Rush is talking about this right now...
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Bigun on January 28, 2021, 05:39:13 pm
Look who Biden chose to run the SEC's Enforcement Division:



Melissa Hodgman Named Acting Director of Division of Enforcement
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE   |   2021-15


Washington D.C., Jan. 22, 2021 —
The Securities and Exchange Commission today announced Melissa R. Hodgman, currently an Associate Director in the Commission's Division of Enforcement, has been named Acting Director of the Division of Enforcement.

https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2021-15 (https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2021-15)



Melissa Hodgman is the wife of Peter Strzok.

The swamp is incestuous to the max!
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 28, 2021, 05:53:57 pm
The swamp is incestuous to the max!

This appointment is akin to allowing this outfit running an animal shelter.....

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Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Bigun on January 28, 2021, 06:15:13 pm
This appointment is akin to allowing this outfit running an animal shelter.....

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 :yowsa: Pretty much!
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: GrouchoTex on January 28, 2021, 06:18:36 pm
Wall Street can't stand it because they didn't get their cut.
Especially with this administration, watch them now regulate the heck out non-licensed brokers, day traders, etc.
The outsiders can't be allowed in, in their eyes.

It is a lot like what the swamp is trying to do to Trump and his supporters.
Discourage any person who is not from the swamp from trying to crash their party.

Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: XenaLee on January 28, 2021, 06:21:36 pm
Wall Street can't stand it because they didn't get their cut.
Especially with this administration, watch them now regulate the heck out non-licensed brokers, day traders, etc.
The outsiders can't be allowed in, in their eyes.

It is a lot like what the swamp is trying to do to Trump and his supporters.
Discourage any person who is not from the swamp from trying to crash their party.

As usual, with the RL, it's all about control of the 'little people' (the people whose sweat and hard work pays their salaries) re: every aspect of their/our lives.  Only the elitist leftists are allowed to become rich, after all.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 28, 2021, 06:36:17 pm
As usual, with the RL, it's all about control of the 'little people' (the people whose sweat and hard work pays their salaries) re: every aspect of their/our lives.  Only the elitist leftists are allowed to become rich, after all.

There are a lot of new little startups like Robinhood, Webull, and MooMoo that are allowing a lot of flexibility for young small investers.  They are scaring the hell out of the institutional goons. I've dealt with enough of them and their eliteism is starting to crash around their deminishing brokerage fees and commissions.  The "That's too bad" Seinfeld meme couldn't be more apt.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Ghost Bear on January 28, 2021, 06:51:40 pm
Robinhood Halts Trading Of GameStop, AMC As Wall Street Backlash Continues (https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/28/robinhood-stops-trading-gamestop-amc-wallstreetbets-reddit-nokia-amc/)

Popular investing app Robinhood blocked users from purchasing shares of GameStop, AMC, and several other companies Thursday morning due to “volatility.”

Shares of GameStop rose to over $500 in pre-market trading Thursday morning as retail investors continued to drive the price up against the wishes of many hedge funds and other institutional investors. The full list of stocks Robinhood halted purchasing of includes GameStop, AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, Bed Bath & Beyond, Express Inc., KOSS Corp, and Naked Brand, according to CNBC.

Excerpted, more at the link: https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/28/robinhood-stops-trading-gamestop-amc-wallstreetbets-reddit-nokia-amc/ (https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/28/robinhood-stops-trading-gamestop-amc-wallstreetbets-reddit-nokia-amc/)

My comment: they've really kicked the hornet's nest now. This ain't over by a long shot.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: XenaLee on January 28, 2021, 07:00:28 pm
There are a lot of new little startups like Robinhood, Webull, and MooMoo that are allowing a lot of flexibility for young small investers.  They are scaring the hell out of the institutional goons. I've dealt with enough of them and their eliteism is starting to crash around their deminishing brokerage fees and commissions.  The "That's too bad" Seinfeld meme couldn't be more apt.

Lol....(love Seinfeld)....

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Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 28, 2021, 07:01:20 pm
Robinhood Halts Trading Of GameStop, AMC As Wall Street Backlash Continues (https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/28/robinhood-stops-trading-gamestop-amc-wallstreetbets-reddit-nokia-amc/)

Popular investing app Robinhood blocked users from purchasing shares of GameStop, AMC, and several other companies Thursday morning due to “volatility.”

Shares of GameStop rose to over $500 in pre-market trading Thursday morning as retail investors continued to drive the price up against the wishes of many hedge funds and other institutional investors. The full list of stocks Robinhood halted purchasing of includes GameStop, AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, Bed Bath & Beyond, Express Inc., KOSS Corp, and Naked Brand, according to CNBC.

Excerpted, more at the link: https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/28/robinhood-stops-trading-gamestop-amc-wallstreetbets-reddit-nokia-amc/ (https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/28/robinhood-stops-trading-gamestop-amc-wallstreetbets-reddit-nokia-amc/)

My comment: they've really kicked the hornet's nest now. This ain't over by a long shot.

Fascinating.  I have been a serious investor my entire adult life, and have never heard of a brokerage firm imposing their own "circuit breakers"  This stinks to high heaven, and needs to be fully investigated.   I don't have proof, but I would bet good money that there are some panicking Hedge Fund Shorters calling in some favors.

OTOH, this may be raising some quandaries.....    Who investigates the investigators?
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 28, 2021, 07:27:02 pm
Robinhood Halts Trading Of GameStop, AMC As Wall Street Backlash Continues (https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/28/robinhood-stops-trading-gamestop-amc-wallstreetbets-reddit-nokia-amc/)

Popular investing app Robinhood blocked users from purchasing shares of GameStop, AMC, and several other companies Thursday morning due to “volatility.”

Shares of GameStop rose to over $500 in pre-market trading Thursday morning as retail investors continued to drive the price up against the wishes of many hedge funds and other institutional investors. The full list of stocks Robinhood halted purchasing of includes GameStop, AMC, Blackberry, Nokia, Bed Bath & Beyond, Express Inc., KOSS Corp, and Naked Brand, according to CNBC.

Excerpted, more at the link: https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/28/robinhood-stops-trading-gamestop-amc-wallstreetbets-reddit-nokia-amc/ (https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/28/robinhood-stops-trading-gamestop-amc-wallstreetbets-reddit-nokia-amc/)

My comment: they've really kicked the hornet's nest now. This ain't over by a long shot.

Basically they're following bigtech's lead with free speech.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: mountaineer on January 28, 2021, 07:28:19 pm
Eric Matheny   @EricMMatheny
There is blatant stock market manipulation occurring right before our eyes and the DOJ is pouring their resources into prosecuting a 5-year old Hillary meme.
1:11 PM · Jan 28, 2021·
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 28, 2021, 07:30:41 pm
Fascinating.  I have been a serious investor my entire adult life, and have never heard of a brokerage firm imposing their own "circuit breakers" 

You are an investor.  Those involved here are gamblers.  Short-selling stock is no different than betting the 'Don'ts' are rge Craps table.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 28, 2021, 07:40:46 pm
You are an investor.  Those involved here are gamblers.  Short-selling stock is no different than betting the 'Don'ts' are rge Craps table.

I am well versed in the concept of shorting, but we are now getting into some brand new territory, where the population is fighting back against a corrupt insider industry that has fleeced Trillions over the years through equity price manipulation. 

I don't condone either side's tactics, but what is happening right now gives me kind of the same feeling I get when I hear an Antifa member has been shot dead.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 28, 2021, 07:48:21 pm
I don't condone either side's tactics, but what is happening right now gives me kind of the same feeling I get when I hear an Antifa member has been shot dead.

I share your sentiments wholeheartedly.  It's why I root against Tom Brady.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 28, 2021, 07:59:17 pm
I share your sentiments wholeheartedly.  It's why I root against Tom Brady.

IF I didn't have any ethics this would be me yesterday  with Gamestop at $450/sh on a short play.

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Based on the past few days of trading GME's  market capitalzation has changed hands 4 TIMES!!!!!  I really feel sorry for the serious investor who is seeing his investment vehicle being used as a battlefield.

Honestly, the entire futures market needs the "Cleanup on Aisle 6" treatment.

Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Ghost Bear on January 28, 2021, 08:52:59 pm
Combining two recent crazes, sea chanties and buying Gamestop, there is this:

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rejpDqQUcV0#)
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: mountaineer on January 28, 2021, 08:55:54 pm
I really feel sorry for the serious investor who is seeing his investment vehicle being used as a battlefield.
I do, too. Just keep this nonsense away from the particular stocks in which I invest!
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 28, 2021, 09:23:11 pm
Fascinating.  I have been a serious investor my entire adult life, and have never heard of a brokerage firm imposing their own "circuit breakers"  This stinks to high heaven, and needs to be fully investigated.   I don't have proof, but I would bet good money that there are some panicking Hedge Fund Shorters calling in some favors.

Today, Robin Hood suspended the purchase of these stocks, but not the selling.  Someone has already filed a lawsuit against them for violating their own EULA.  The effect of their purchase suspension was to drive down the price.  As @catfish1957 called it, someone called in some favors.

But this violates equal protection.  The pajama investors should have the same access to the market as the hedge fund folks.  The hedge funders are the ones who have driven up the price through their demand to cover their short sells.  They wanted less competition for those shares, hence they limited other peoples' ability to buy.  Yet it is the pajama investors who are being accused of manipulating the market?  Please.

Another item that made this all possible is that the quantity of stocks that these hedge funds shorted exceeded the total number of outstanding shares.  Let's say there are 12 million shares outstanding and there are three hedge funds.  The first hedge fund goes to Brokerage House A and borrows 5 million shares to be paid back in two weeks.  That hedge fund then sells those shares at $5/share to Brokerage House B.  The second hedge fund then goes to Brokerage House B and borrows those same 5 million shares to be paid back in 2 weeks and sells them to Brokerage House C at $5/share.  The third hedge fund approaches Brokerage House C and borrows the same 5 million shares, and sells them to Brokerage House A.  As far as the brokerage houses go, the actual stock is back where it started.  Each brokerage house has paid out $25 million a piece.  And each is owed 5 million shares of stock two weeks from now.  That's 15 million shares total.  But there are only 12 million shares outstanding.  See why these guys are panicking?

They gambled.  They lost.  They each need to face the bookie.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: berdie on January 28, 2021, 10:38:51 pm
IF I didn't have any ethics this would be me yesterday  with Gamestop at $450/sh on a short play.

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-07-2015/dHLoEh.gif)

Based on the past few days of trading GME's  market capitalzation has changed hands 4 TIMES!!!!!  I really feel sorry for the serious investor who is seeing his investment vehicle being used as a battlefield.




I am no investment guru. I don't even have a good concept of "shorting". But from what I have read and kind of understand....it sounds border line illegal. Allowed, but should it be?

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Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 28, 2021, 10:48:53 pm
I am no investment guru. I don't even have a good concept of "shorting". But from what I have read and kind of understand....it sounds border line illegal. Allowed, but should it be?

Which part?  The hedge fund investors shorting more stock shares than there were in existence?  Or some 23-year-old (who spends his time playing video games in his basement) figuring it out?
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Bigun on January 28, 2021, 10:49:53 pm
Today, Robin Hood suspended the purchase of these stocks, but not the selling.  Someone has already filed a lawsuit against them for violating their own EULA.  The effect of their purchase suspension was to drive down the price.  As @catfish1957 called it, someone called in some favors.

But this violates equal protection.  The pajama investors should have the same access to the market as the hedge fund folks.  The hedge funders are the ones who have driven up the price through their demand to cover their short sells.  They wanted less competition for those shares, hence they limited other peoples' ability to buy.  Yet it is the pajama investors who are being accused of manipulating the market?  Please.

Another item that made this all possible is that the quantity of stocks that these hedge funds shorted exceeded the total number of outstanding shares.  Let's say there are 12 million shares outstanding and there are three hedge funds.  The first hedge fund goes to Brokerage House A and borrows 5 million shares to be paid back in two weeks.  That hedge fund then sells those shares at $5/share to Brokerage House B.  The second hedge fund then goes to Brokerage House B and borrows those same 5 million shares to be paid back in 2 weeks and sells them to Brokerage House C at $5/share.  The third hedge fund approaches Brokerage House C and borrows the same 5 million shares, and sells them to Brokerage House A.  As far as the brokerage houses go, the actual stock is back where it started.  Each brokerage house has paid out $25 million a piece.  And each is owed 5 million shares of stock two weeks from now.  That's 15 million shares total.  But there are only 12 million shares outstanding.  See why these guys are panicking?

They gambled.  They lost.  They each need to face the bookie.

 :yowsa:  :amen:
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 28, 2021, 10:52:28 pm
Swing and a Miss: CNN’s Chris Cillizza Tried Blaming ‘Trumpism’ for GameStop Stock Surge

Joseph Vazquez   |   January 28th, 2021 4:46 PM


CNN’s Editor-at-Large Chris Cillizza was so obsessed with former President Donald Trump that he tried to blame him for an unrelated GameStop stock short squeeze caused by Reddit users.

CNN’s never-ending fixation on Trump actually made him look good this time.

GameStop stock surged with individual investors on Reddit taking advantage of Wall Street bigwigs selling the gaming company’s shares short by buying up the stock, which sent the stock price to the moon. This caused the short-sellers on Wall Street to lose billions. It also led to Wall Street and the liberal media whining about stock “manipulation” and “nazis.” Cillizza published an absurd story headlined, “How Trumpism explains the GameStop stock surge.” Cillizza bleated: “At the core of Donald Trump's angry populist appeal was -- and is -- this sentiment: The elites think they know better than you. They think they can tell you how to live and what to believe. But guess what? We the people are smarter than the elites!”

Cillizza appears to suggest that “we the people” are not smarter than the elites. Instead, he wrote, “That strategy -- if that is even a word that can be associated with what this is -- has massive limits.  .  .  .

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/business/joseph-vazquez/2021/01/28/swing-and-miss-cnns-chris-cillizza-tried-blaming-trumpism (https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/business/joseph-vazquez/2021/01/28/swing-and-miss-cnns-chris-cillizza-tried-blaming-trumpism)



In a conflict between the elitists and the common man, Cillizza sides with the elitists, and blames Trump for it.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 28, 2021, 11:44:14 pm
Today, Robin Hood suspended the purchase of these stocks, but not the selling.  Someone has already filed a lawsuit against them for violating their own EULA.  The effect of their purchase suspension was to drive down the price.  As @catfish1957 called it, someone called in some favors.

But this violates equal protection.  The pajama investors should have the same access to the market as the hedge fund folks.  The hedge funders are the ones who have driven up the price through their demand to cover their short sells.  They wanted less competition for those shares, hence they limited other peoples' ability to buy.  Yet it is the pajama investors who are being accused of manipulating the market?  Please.

Another item that made this all possible is that the quantity of stocks that these hedge funds shorted exceeded the total number of outstanding shares.  Let's say there are 12 million shares outstanding and there are three hedge funds.  The first hedge fund goes to Brokerage House A and borrows 5 million shares to be paid back in two weeks.  That hedge fund then sells those shares at $5/share to Brokerage House B.  The second hedge fund then goes to Brokerage House B and borrows those same 5 million shares to be paid back in 2 weeks and sells them to Brokerage House C at $5/share.  The third hedge fund approaches Brokerage House C and borrows the same 5 million shares, and sells them to Brokerage House A.  As far as the brokerage houses go, the actual stock is back where it started.  Each brokerage house has paid out $25 million a piece.  And each is owed 5 million shares of stock two weeks from now.  That's 15 million shares total.  But there are only 12 million shares outstanding.  See why these guys are panicking?

They gambled.  They lost.  They each need to face the bookie.

Very well stated.  We have just witnessed a beautiful example of the masters of "gaming" the system, getting gamed.  Ironic the equity is known as Gamestop.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 12:01:01 am
Just as an fyi, here are few of the Hedge Fund players in this drama.....

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/hedge-fund-targeted-by-reddit-board-melvin-capital-closed-out-of-gamestop-short-position-tuesday.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/hedge-fund-targeted-by-reddit-board-melvin-capital-closed-out-of-gamestop-short-position-tuesday.html)

1. Gebe Plotkin's Melvin Captial- Citadel, it's parent company has sank $3B to cover options, and by the way, their short position has been closed.
2 Andrew Left of Citron, has covered his short position, and commented that the (sic. Reddit) stock owners were an angry mob. 
3. Michael Burry's comments really took the cake.  Here is his subsequently deleted Twitter comment...  "trading in GameStop is “unnatural, insane, and dangerous” and there should be “legal and regulatory repercussions.” Burry shot to fame by betting against the housing bubble and was featured in Michael Lewis’ book “The Big Short.”".  LMAO....Mikey?  Investigate?  Do you really want to do that?

Guess what...  no comment from the SEC ....   Imagine that.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: jmyrlefuller on January 29, 2021, 01:35:08 am
Very well stated.  We have just witnessed a beautiful example of the masters of "gaming" the system, getting gamed.  Ironic the equity is known as Gamestop.
A little joke I saw on Facebook from one of my friends following this:

A hedge fund trader loses his shirt over getting squeezed on the Gamestop short. Penniless, he returns home and collects all of his son's video games. He takes them to the only place that will buy them... Gamestop. He is greeted with:

"Best I can do is $5."
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: jmyrlefuller on January 29, 2021, 01:45:35 am
Just as an fyi, here are few of the Hedge Fund players in this drama.....

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/hedge-fund-targeted-by-reddit-board-melvin-capital-closed-out-of-gamestop-short-position-tuesday.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/hedge-fund-targeted-by-reddit-board-melvin-capital-closed-out-of-gamestop-short-position-tuesday.html)

1. Gebe Plotkin's Melvin Captial- Citadel, it's parent company has sank $3B to cover options, and by the way, their short position has been closed.
2 Andrew Left of Citron, has covered his short position, and commented that the (sic. Reddit) stock owners were an angry mob. 
3. Michael Burry's comments really took the cake.  Here is his subsequently deleted Twitter comment...  "trading in GameStop is “unnatural, insane, and dangerous” and there should be “legal and regulatory repercussions.” Burry shot to fame by betting against the housing bubble and was featured in Michael Lewis’ book “The Big Short.”".  LMAO....Mikey?  Investigate?  Do you really want to do that?

Guess what...  no comment from the SEC ....   Imagine that.
Melvin Capital is also allegedly the owner of Robinhood, or at least a major investor.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 02:10:47 am
Melvin Capital is also allegedly the owner of Robinhood, or at least a major investor.

Gee, no conflict of interest there.  Once again, greed is never satisfied.

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Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 03:15:04 am
Charles Payne goes off.  He is 100% correct.

  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzojHqzm3TU#)
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 03:26:46 am
Inside employee at Robinhood posted this today:

(https://www.rightjournalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/robinhood.jpg)

If the White House was involved in making these firms cease trading, then we have a scandal that could bring this administration down.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Ghost Bear on January 29, 2021, 04:13:49 am
AMC Entertainment Investor Silver Lake Rides Cinema Chain’s Stock Surge To Swap Debt For Equity (https://deadline.com/2021/01/amc-entertainment-silver-lake-swaps-debt-for-equity-as-cinema-chains-stock-surged-1234682417/)

AMC Entertainment said Silver Lake Group is converting $600 million worth of the theater chain’s debt that it holds into stock at a conversion price of $13.51 a share, a surprise all around considering the exhibitor’s shares were languishing below two bucks earlier this month.

...

This week it became part of an historic market phenomenon where day traders on Reddit chats and other social media platforms convulsed the market by pouring into shares of several companies from GameStop to AMC resulting in astronomical price gains, hysteria among the usual experts. AMC surged 300% yesterday to $20.36, exceeding the trigger price on Silver Lake’s convertible bonds.

Excerpted, more at the link: https://deadline.com/2021/01/amc-entertainment-silver-lake-swaps-debt-for-equity-as-cinema-chains-stock-surged-1234682417/ (https://deadline.com/2021/01/amc-entertainment-silver-lake-swaps-debt-for-equity-as-cinema-chains-stock-surged-1234682417/)
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 29, 2021, 11:23:24 am
Inside employee at Robinhood posted this today:

(https://www.rightjournalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/robinhood.jpg)

If the White House was involved in making these firms cease trading, then we have a scandal that could bring this administration down.

Dunno about that but it might shatter the illusion of a few people out there.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 02:24:31 pm
Dunno about that but it might shatter the illusion of a few people out there.

@Hoodat

What's the platform of this post?  Not discounting its accurary yet, but it's content should give the author more concern than his job.  He's basically implicated the White House and VC behemoth with a Trillion and half $ portfolio into a Securites Manipulation  Charge.

You better watch your back Odin.  You are messing with the "Big Guy"
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 02:43:24 pm
GameStop up $160, but trading has been suspended, possibly by the SEC.  The SEC also made an announcement about stock volatility which is now causing the DOW to fall.

The SEC is a regulator - not a referee.  They need to butt out and allow these hedge funders to lose their first battle since 2008.  And no matter what, the federal government should NOT bail them out.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 02:46:52 pm
FINRA is the most evil agency in all of government.  Their job is to shake down every financial and investment firm operating in the US.  They already did that to Robinhood, receiving a payout of close to $2 million.  But they never address actual corruption and wrongdoing.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 02:52:30 pm
FINRA is the most evil agency in all of government.  Their job is to shake down every financial and investment firm operating in the US.  They already did that to Robinhood, receiving a payout of close to $2 million.  But they never address actual corruption and wrongdoing.

IMO, add the entire Hedge Fund industry too.  They've skimmed trillions of dollars off the top from conventional investors through the years. The whole futures market is a rotten onion, and has about 50 layers of rot.  Outside massive reform, it will be near impossible  that  anything remotely could be done about it.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 03:02:13 pm
Robinhood policy team is entrenched with Washington Insiders:

Chief Legal Officer - Daniel Gallagher : Former SEC Chairman
Deputy General Counsel - Lucas Moskowitz : Former SEC Chief of Staff
Associate General Counsel - Beth Zorc : Former Senate Counsel for Senate Banking Committee

And then there are the lobbyists - all with Washington experience.

You know damn well that someone in government picked up the phone and called these people directly, telling them to suspend purchases of GameStop in order to allow the hedge funders to close out their shorts.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 03:08:43 pm
GameStop trading has resumed.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 03:25:28 pm
It's All Connected: Thousands Give Robinhood Negative Reviews, Google Then Strikes Back Against Them

Nick Arama | Jan 28, 2021 10:00 PM ET


After Robinhood restricted trading and cost many of their retail investors any gains they might have made as they tried to save GameStop from a prospective short, the investors were furious that the company stopped their free market trading.

The investors have now filed multiple lawsuits against Robinhood, as we reported, claiming Robinhood was trying to manipulate the market and protect the hedge funds.

But they tried to strike back at Robinhood in another way, with giving them a slew of one star reviews in the Google Play Store. More than 100,000 such reviews flooded in an hour, driving its average ratings down to 1.1 stars out of 5. On Apple it’s still at 4.8. It had been one of the most popular apps on Apple because of everything going on with GameStop, until Robinhood restricted trading.

That reduced rating can drive the app down and cost them big time.

But then, Big Tech struck, and Google swept in, removing all the 100,000 negative reviews that had come in for the app. That brought their rating back up into the 4 range where it had been before all the furor hit.

So basically the effort to register the investor’s displeasure was wiped out.  .  .  .

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/01/28/its-all-connected-thousands-give-robinhood-negative-reviews-google-then-strikes-back-against-them-n318382
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 03:32:50 pm
Steve Cohen and Dave Portnoy feud over GameStop on Twitter

Thornton McEnery   |   January 28, 2021 | 2:58pm


A real life rumble over GameStop between Wall Street and Main Street broke out Thursday between hedge fund billionaire Steve Cohen and day-trading poster boy Dave Portnoy.

The back-and-forth kicked off when Portnoy, founder of blogging site Barstool Sports, blasted Cohen, the billionaire owner of the Mets, for restrictions on trading apps like Robinhood that have hurt novice investors behind the spectacular rally in small stocks like Gamestop.

“PRISON TIME,” Portnoy said in a tweet that linked to Cohen, founder of Point72 Capital, as well as Citadel, a hedge fund run by billionaire Ken Griffin.

“Dems and Republicans haven’t agreed on 1 issue till this. That’s how blatant, illegal, unfathomable today’s events are. It also shows how untouchable @RobinhoodApp @StevenACohen2C Citadel Point72 all think they are. Fines aren’t enough. Prison or bust.”

Portnoy made the comment while linking to a news article reporting anger from legislators over Robinhood trading restrictions forbidding users from buying certain stocks, including GameStop.

Cohen snapped back: “Hey Dave , What’s your beef with me. I’m just trying to make a living just like you.Happy to take this offline.”

“I don’t do offline. That’s where shady s*** happens,” Portnoy said.  .  .

https://nypost.com/2021/01/28/steve-cohen-and-dave-portnoy-feud-over-gamestop-on-twitter/



Portnoy has spent the last year raising money for small businesses trying to survive Democrat Covid lockdowns.  A lot of the money he has gotten back from these hedge funders is going to good use.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 04:59:16 pm
A poster earlier wondered about the legality of Hedge Fund tactics. While legal, it is absolutely the sleaziest aspect of the financial world.  Back room whispers, info for money, moles in boardrooms....   Yep that is backbone of the system that skims peaks off equity prices and returns for the suckers like us who invest in a company for growth and income.

I'd make a call that Short Trading be eliminated from the markets, but then I realize these low lifes would figure out a different way to game the system.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: DCPatriot on January 29, 2021, 05:01:22 pm
So let me get this straight, please?

The few core-owners of AMC, the movie theater chain that was essentially bankrupt due to the 'Pandemic'... earned BILLIONS of $$$ yesterday??
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 05:04:27 pm
So let me get this straight, please?

The few core-owners of AMC, the movie theater chain that was essentially bankrupt due to the 'Pandemic'... earned BILLIONS of $$$ yesterday??

(https://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/data/2215/what-a-country-yakov.jpg)
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Ghost Bear on January 29, 2021, 05:32:20 pm
So let me get this straight, please?

The few core-owners of AMC, the movie theater chain that was essentially bankrupt due to the 'Pandemic'... earned BILLIONS of $$$ yesterday??

And all because a bunch of autists on Reddit decided to screw with hedge funds that were short-selling the stock. What a country indeed.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 05:35:30 pm
And all because a bunch of autists on Reddit decided to screw with hedge funds that were short-selling the stock. What a country indeed.

You really think the Reddit bunch are the villians in this saga?  We'll have to disagree on that one.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Ghost Bear on January 29, 2021, 05:39:00 pm
You really think the Reddit bunch are the villians in this saga?  We'll have to disagree on that one.

Sorry, but where did I say they are villains?  For what it's worth, I've been cheering them on (in my home, if not making that clear in my posts.) I think this whole thing is hilarious and very telling, in how the system is stacked against ordinary people.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: thackney on January 29, 2021, 05:39:15 pm
The GameStop phenomenon has gone global
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/investing/premarket-stocks-trading/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/investing/premarket-stocks-trading/index.html)
January 29, 2021

The GameStop (GME) mania that's hijacked US markets is grabbing the attention of investors all over the world, as traders from London to Mumbai try to get in on the action.

What's happening: Shares of companies that are heavily shorted — indicating that institutional investors are betting they will fall — have been scooped up on a number of global exchanges....
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 05:42:39 pm
I'd make a call that Short Trading be eliminated from the markets, but then I realize these low lifes would figure out a different way to game the system.

From a gambling standpoint, the caveat with short selling is that your liability is unlimited.   The most you can possibly win on your bet is the initial value of the stock.  There is no ceiling on what you can lose.

Because of this, it is surprising to me that brokerage houses allow them to do it in the first place.  The potential for disaster here is no different from the margin calls that caused the October 1929 stock market collapse.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 05:43:32 pm
Sorry, but where did I say they are villains?  For what it's worth, I've been cheering them on (in my home, if not making that clear in my posts.) I think this whole thing is hilarious and very telling, in how the system is stacked against ordinary people.

Sorry, I mis-infered. I figured the term "autist" was an insult.

Agree, on the balance, In a good real world, these Reddit boys might permanently function as the "Short Police".  Complict SEC will have none of that, I am sure.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Bigun on January 29, 2021, 05:52:22 pm
(https://eadn-wc04-3211983.nxedge.io/cdn/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/trump-deep-state-6.jpg)
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 05:53:03 pm
So let me get this straight, please?

The few core-owners of AMC, the movie theater chain that was essentially bankrupt due to the 'Pandemic'... earned BILLIONS of $$$ yesterday??

Only if they sold their stock.  A stock is only worth what it is sold for.  The company itself was able to unload $600 million in debt to Silver Lake, probably at around 20 cents on the dollar.  But for a major shareholder to unload stock, that throws up enough red flags to make it not worth the trouble.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Ghost Bear on January 29, 2021, 05:56:12 pm
Sorry, I mis-infered. I figured the term "autist" was an insult.

Agree, on the balance, In a good real world, these Reddit boys might permanently function as the "Short Police".  Complict SEC will have none of that, I am sure.

"Autist" is one of the more polite words they use to describe themselves. Go to https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/) and see for yourself.

One of their memes (which had me laughing out loud) :

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l7tlyw/wsb_vs_ws/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l7tlyw/wsb_vs_ws/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)

(sorry, I'm not able to embed it.)
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 06:01:34 pm
One of their memes (which had me laughing out loud) :

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l7tlyw/wsb_vs_ws/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l7tlyw/wsb_vs_ws/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)

That's hilarious!
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Bigun on January 29, 2021, 06:08:42 pm
The GameStop phenomenon has gone global
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/investing/premarket-stocks-trading/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/investing/premarket-stocks-trading/index.html)
January 29, 2021

The GameStop (GME) mania that's hijacked US markets is grabbing the attention of investors all over the world, as traders from London to Mumbai try to get in on the action.

What's happening: Shares of companies that are heavily shorted — indicating that institutional investors are betting they will can make them fall — have been scooped up on a number of global exchanges....

Fixed it!
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: thackney on January 29, 2021, 06:10:16 pm
Fixed it!

Yes you did.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 06:27:15 pm


https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l7tlyw/wsb_vs_ws/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l7tlyw/wsb_vs_ws/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)

(sorry, I'm not able to embed it.)

That was a hoot.  Bloomberg TV just came up short of calling the Reddit brigade econ-terrorist.   The financial swamp is shitting in their pants. 
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 06:33:27 pm
Remember these lines from Trading Places?

Billy Ray Valentine: [watches Louis clean his shotgun] You know, you can't just go around and shoot people in the kneecaps with a double-barreled shotgun 'cause you pissed at 'em.

Louis Winthorpe III: Why not?

Billy Ray Valentine: It's called assault with a deadly weapon. You get twenty years for that shit.

Louis Winthorpe III: Listen, do you have any better ideas?

Billy Ray Valentine: Yeah. You know, it occurs to me that the best way you hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people.

Coleman: You have to admit, sir, you didn't like it yourself a bit.


I want to see every one of these hedge fund schmucks living in a one-bedroom apartment and dodging the landlord because they don't have this months rent.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: XenaLee on January 29, 2021, 06:34:40 pm
That was a hoot.  Bloomberg TV just came up short of calling the Reddit brigade econ-terrorist.   The financial swamp is shitting in their pants.

Funny how... it's always 'different' if/when it's THEIR wallets and bank accounts that are getting decimated, eh?
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 06:46:01 pm
Remember these lines from Trading Places?



Financial lexicon needs to be adjusted for the term "Winthorped"  and defined as whacking a sleazy financial trader with his own tools.  :silly:
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 06:59:38 pm
Looking ahead at future other targets, here is supposedly the 10 most shorted stocks at this moment...

https://qz.com/1965817/beyond-gamestop-these-are-the-10-most-shorted-stocks/?utm_source=YPL (https://qz.com/1965817/beyond-gamestop-these-are-the-10-most-shorted-stocks/?utm_source=YPL)

Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: mountaineer on January 29, 2021, 07:46:38 pm
CBS News   @CBSNews
A reporter asked White House press secretary Jen Psaki about GameStop.
"I know it’s a big story, but our focus and our big story is getting the American people back to work," Psaki answered.
https://cbsn.ws/3j07y3Y
12:26 PM · Jan 29, 2021·


Geoffrey Miller  @primalpoly
BTW, you all know that WH Press Secretary Jen Psaki's brother Jeffrey Psaki is a portfolio manager at hedge fund Citadel LLC -- one of the main short sellers getting crushed by WSB in the GameStop thing?
He seems to have taken down his LinkedIn profile:
https://linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-psaki-bbb38a86/
1:30 PM · Jan 29, 2021·

just your avg joe  @jdeclue
Replying to  @primalpoly
They removed her brother, saying he is not notable enough to be included in her BIO. That is really sketchy. Major changes today and they all protected her entry.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7F2UGXYAAOqpv?format=jpg&name=small)
2:35 PM · Jan 29, 2021

Twitter thread at https://twitter.com/jdeclue/status/1355238079360094212
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: mountaineer on January 29, 2021, 07:48:36 pm
Candace Owens @RealCandaceO
15m
Wow. They actually did it. CNN is already beginning to call Redditors anti-Semitic white supremacists.
They are setting the stage to give the wealthy, hedge fund elites their billions back.
This is sick stuff but they’ve been doing it for years to Trump supporters.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7E_-IXYAQd4sG?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 07:54:09 pm
Candace Owens @RealCandaceO
15m
Wow. They actually did it. CNN is already beginning to call Redditors anti-Semitic white supremacists.
They are setting the stage to give the wealthy, hedge fund elites their billions back.
This is sick stuff but they’ve been doing it for years to Trump supporters.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7E_-IXYAQd4sG?format=jpg&name=small)

Wow, they really are panicking, and going all Alinsky on 'em.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: XenaLee on January 29, 2021, 07:58:14 pm
Wow, they really are panicking, and going all Alinsky on 'em.

They're so panicked... that they forgot to include their favorite slur, "racist".
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 08:10:37 pm
An Open Letter to Melvin Capital (https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l6omry/an_open_letter_to_melvin_capital_cnbc_boomers_and/?ref_source=embed&ref=share)

This is personal.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 08:12:59 pm
Candace Owens @RealCandaceO
15m
Wow. They actually did it. CNN is already beginning to call Redditors anti-Semitic white supremacists.
They are setting the stage to give the wealthy, hedge fund elites their billions back.
This is sick stuff but they’ve been doing it for years to Trump supporters.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7E_-IXYAQd4sG?format=jpg&name=small)

Now THAT pisses me off.  It makes me want to buy some GME shares.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 08:19:30 pm
An Open Letter to Melvin Capital (https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l6omry/an_open_letter_to_melvin_capital_cnbc_boomers_and/?ref_source=embed&ref=share)

This is personal.

Kudos to that youngster.  He's putting it all on the line, and I applaud his candor, heart, and bravery.

It is a true David and Goliath story playing out in front of us, and the world is watching.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 08:22:42 pm
Now THAT pisses me off.  It makes me want to buy some GME shares.

I am thinking about it too.  I know it will be money down the drain, but also see it as a donation to the cause of bringing corrupt financial institutions down to their knees.

Think they would like a Boomer participant?   :cool:
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 08:41:21 pm
According to WallStreetBets (https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l7wmkf/why_this_weekend_is_so_crucial/), 113% of total stock is still shorted.  Some of the stock has been recovered by the original hedge funders and paid out to satisfy the short, but more funders have jumped in since then and shorted again.

If there is really 113% still outstanding, then these funders are in deep doodoo.  If the call dates are ever published, it would up the ante considerably.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 08:54:22 pm
According to WallStreetBets (https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l7wmkf/why_this_weekend_is_so_crucial/), 113% of total stock is still shorted.  Some of the stock has been recovered by the original hedge funders and paid out to satisfy the short, but more funders have jumped in since then and shorted again.

If there is really 113% still outstanding, then these funders are in deep doodoo.  If the call dates are ever published, it would up the ante considerably.

GME Shorty's are having quite a Duke and Duke moment aren't they?

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6783c588bfe3cd86dd30b4233fee3a9d)

Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Bigun on January 29, 2021, 09:06:42 pm
Quote
BTW, you all know that WH Press Secretary Jen Psaki's brother Jeffrey Psaki is a portfolio manager at hedge fund Citadel LLC -- one of the main short sellers getting crushed by WSB in the GameStop thing?

No! I didn't know that but it doesn't surprise me in the least now that I do.  The swamp gives incest a bad name!
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 29, 2021, 09:47:31 pm
GME closed at $325 (up about $130) despite misinformation effort (illegally) pushed by one of the hedge funds.  Rumor put forth that call day was today and that stock would be worthless afterwards.  The Reddit pajama buyers held firm.

Meanwhile, the DOW dropped 2% after the Biden Administration tipped its hand in support of the hedge fund managers.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: mountaineer on January 29, 2021, 11:25:51 pm
Meanwhile, the DOW dropped 2% after the Biden Administration tipped its hand in support of the hedge fund managers.
Just checked our investment account: down 0.9%. Supposedly strong, conservative stocks like Walmart, Microsoft, Home Depot were way down.   9999hair out0000
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 29, 2021, 11:35:57 pm
Just checked our investment account: down 0.9%. Supposedly strong, conservative stocks like Walmart, Microsoft, Home Depot were way down.   9999hair out0000

Reflecting a developing lack of confidence in Wall Street in general, especially now with Pedo Joe backing the bad guys.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: mountaineer on January 29, 2021, 11:56:41 pm
Reflecting a developing lack of confidence in Wall Street in general, especially now with Pedo Joe backing the bad guys.
I have to agree.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 30, 2021, 12:11:21 am
I have to agree.

This is going to hurt everyone in the short term , due to shaken confidence, but IMO medicine needed to cut out the cancer.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: thackney on January 30, 2021, 12:50:46 am
Candace Owens @RealCandaceO
15m
Wow. They actually did it. CNN is already beginning to call Redditors anti-Semitic white supremacists.
They are setting the stage to give the wealthy, hedge fund elites their billions back.
This is sick stuff but they’ve been doing it for years to Trump supporters.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es7E_-IXYAQd4sG?format=jpg&name=small)

Wow, bold move for a web site with 50 million users a day.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 30, 2021, 03:19:50 pm
Even though it is from the enemy CNN, this is not a bad article describing the Reddit WSB Army.  Fascinating David/Goliath story of where the common folk have fought back and screwed over those who have screwed society for decades.  I wish them the best.....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/investing/wallstreetbets-reddit-culture/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/investing/wallstreetbets-reddit-culture/index.html)

Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 30, 2021, 03:34:12 pm
Wow, bold move for a web site with 50 million users a day.

Television screens in airports that cannot be turned to any other channel should not be counted as 'users'.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 30, 2021, 03:54:59 pm
Even though it is from the enemy CNN, this is not a bad article describing the Reddit WSB Army.  Fascinating David/Goliath story of where the common folk have fought back and screwed over those who have screwed society for decades.  I wish them the best.....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/investing/wallstreetbets-reddit-culture/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/investing/wallstreetbets-reddit-culture/index.html)

They do not paint WSB in a favorable light at all.  But the underlying message here is the cynicism and fatalistic outlook of our millennial generation.  They are already convinced that they will be handed a world that is far worse off than their parents' generation.  With national debt exceeding the GDP and a social security 'safety net' that is in real terms bankrupt now and on paper bankrupt a decade from now, they feel powerless over their circumstances and have lost hope for the future.  That is why so many are willing to forgo that future and risk everything now just to squeeze some enjoyment out of life.

The other takeaway is that this isn't about investment.  It is gambling, pure and simple.  It is no different from picking horses at the track, except that this track stays open 24/7, thanks to the wonderful internet.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 30, 2021, 04:11:17 pm
They do not paint WSB in a favorable light at all.  But the underlying message here is the cynicism and fatalistic outlook of our millennial generation.  They are already convinced that they will be handed a world that is far worse off than their parents' generation.  With national debt exceeding the GDP and a social security 'safety net' that is in real terms bankrupt now and on paper bankrupt a decade from now, they feel powerless over their circumstances and have lost hope for the future.  That is why so many are willing to forgo that future and risk everything now just to squeeze some enjoyment out of life.

The other takeaway is that this isn't about investment.  It is gambling, pure and simple.  It is no different from picking horses at the track, except that this track stays open 24/7, thanks to the wonderful internet.

I was viewing it more from the technical side.  That's why I prefaced it that "Enemy CNN" had its stamp on it, as you know how they slant everything.  But, there is also another aspect...   I have said many disparaging things about millenials, but every once in awhile they'll do something that pleasantly suprises me.

I think they are close to meeting their objectives.  You are right, investing is gambling, except that there is less randomness in investing than casinos., as long as  you do your homework, research, and do it wisely.  On the flip side the WSB is helping unravel the Ponzi aspects of Futures Trading. IMO they have done a communtiy service by clipping the wings of scumbags who through this practice has skimmmed equity value from hard working investors.  Because Hedge Fund Managaers are bascially Jackals feeding on the carcass of dying stocks. F them.

I am sure there will be some bi-ops of more favorable nature as this story continues, but this one was a pretty good primer to the uninfomed.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on January 30, 2021, 04:47:16 pm
Looking at the forest instead of just the trees, this all suggests the time to exit positions is here.

Underlying asset value is not reflected in the stock market.

I intend to significantly scale back as such.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 30, 2021, 05:03:03 pm
Looking at the forest instead of just the trees, this all suggests the time to exit positions is here.

There are a large number of these 'rebels' who are 'in' for 10 shares or less, purely for entertainment value.  They will hold no matter what (unless the value reaches 5 figures).  The big questions is how much of a fraction of total stock holders do these individuals represent.

If this story gains momentum and more like-minded individuals sign on, purchasing two shares here and three shares there, then their clout will increase.  At present, there are a lot of sizeable 'investors' who are holding moderate chunks of GME waiting for the price to reach a certain point before selling.  And they are grateful for the renegades who are standing firm to maintain the price.  But at the point they are willing to sell, the renegades will need to cover that gap in order to reach their five-figure threshold.  I wish them the best.

In the mean time, each day the hedge funders draw closer to their contract date, they must cover part of that gap by purchasing and returning stock due to the price being where it is.  So every day it remains high, they will be hurt financially.  The squeeze won't culminate in a single day as they expect, but it will affect them each day until then.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on January 30, 2021, 05:52:16 pm
Looking at the forest instead of just the trees, this all suggests the time to exit positions is here.

Underlying asset value is not reflected in the stock market.

I intend to significantly scale back as such.

A 30K DJIA during a pandemic, 8% unemployment, and at leasat $5T of addtional national debt expected in the next 4 years?

The point of the speculative stock run up  bubble is not if it pops, but when.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: thackney on January 30, 2021, 05:55:10 pm
Television screens in airports that cannot be turned to any other channel should not be counted as 'users'.

@Hoodat

I was talking about Reddit.  That web site has a massive, world-wide following and active user base.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on January 30, 2021, 06:20:02 pm
@Hoodat

I was talking about Reddit.  That web site has a massive, world-wide following and active user base.

Got it.  Understand now.  Web site.  Reddit is a cesspool of insane hilarity.

* Disclaimer:  I am a retard, not a financial advisor
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on February 01, 2021, 02:32:54 pm
GME down 10%, and 3.2M share volume in the first minute at opening. Hope this isn't a sign of  some defectors in the WSB Army.....
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on February 01, 2021, 02:46:17 pm
BUY    HOLD    BUY    HOLD    BUY    HOLD
-----G M E------
                 TO THE MOON




(Note:  Not financial advice.  Just a retard who really likes this stock)
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: thackney on February 01, 2021, 02:46:41 pm
GME down 10%, and 3.2M share volume in the first minute at opening. Hope this isn't a sign of  some defectors in the WSB Army.....

I suspect the attention span on reddit will be the main reason this eventually fails.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on February 01, 2021, 02:54:08 pm
I suspect the attention span on reddit will be the main reason this eventually fails.

If their wall breaks, it will make for some interesting forum reading.  There will members walking away with $100K's profits while others zip.

And think about it.....  GME obviously isn't worth $300/sh.  At some point there will have to be something triggering liquidation, which will set off a round of  member  "haves" and "have nots", depending on market exit timing,.

And again..  OTOH, have they even looked this far ahead?

Update...  Volume is so heavy and price bouncing, that I can't get a snapshot of price.  It is down now somewhere between 16 and 18%
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: thackney on February 01, 2021, 02:56:45 pm
OTOH, have they even looked this far ahead?

The majority of those playing, almost certainly not.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on February 01, 2021, 03:01:01 pm
AMC is up 14%. Something's up.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: XenaLee on February 01, 2021, 04:54:19 pm
AMC is up 14%. Something's up.

They better not damage AMC with all these shenanigans (which I don't really understand), is all I know...dammit!   
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Bigun on February 01, 2021, 05:01:22 pm
AMC is up 14%. Something's up.

I hope what's up is hedge funds getting their asses handed them!
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on February 01, 2021, 08:38:32 pm
They better not damage AMC with all these shenanigans (which I don't really understand), is all I know...dammit!

I understand your frustrations, but it is the Hedge Funders that are chosing the battlefields with their trade.

In any case, my last check of GME is that it is down 27%.  I suspect that there may be a few of the retards might be panicking. I hope not though.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: thackney on February 02, 2021, 01:11:22 am
Exclusive: Robinhood explores raising more debt to fulfill Reddit-fueled order frenzy - sources
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-retail-investing-robinhood-debt-exclu/exclusive-robinhood-explores-raising-more-debt-to-fulfill-reddit-fueled-order-frenzy-sources-idUSKBN2A13HG (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-retail-investing-robinhood-debt-exclu/exclusive-robinhood-explores-raising-more-debt-to-fulfill-reddit-fueled-order-frenzy-sources-idUSKBN2A13HG)
FEBRUARY 1, 2021

Robinhood, the U.S. online broker that has emerged as a gateway for amateur traders challenging Wall Street hedge funds, has held talks with banks about raising $1 billion in debt so it can continue to fulfill orders for heavily shorted stocks, according to people familiar with the matter.

The capital raised would be separate from the $3.4 billion in financing that Robinhood announced on Monday it had secured from its investors since Jan. 29. It reflects the financial pressure that last week’s Reddit-fueled frenzy in shares such as GameStop Corp placed on the company, prompting it to restrict some trades.

Robinhood needs the money to backstop trades that its customers place, because its clearinghouse has asked for more collateral due to heightened volatility. Robinhood CEO Vlad Tenev said on Sunday that the trading app decided to place curbs on some transactions because the clearinghouse had asked for $3 billion in collateral....
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on February 02, 2021, 02:10:35 pm
Looks like a stampede exit at GME.  After hours trading has the stock down 42% overnight, after losing 31% yesterday. 

Some really hilarious comments at Reddit WSB
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: thackney on February 02, 2021, 05:40:34 pm
Looks like a stampede exit at GME.  After hours trading has the stock down 42% overnight, after losing 31% yesterday. 

Some really hilarious comments at Reddit WSB

From Mark Cuban:

Quote
[–]mcuban
Final thought. First thanks for the great questions. Thanks for changing the game. Thanks for taking on Wall Street. Thanks for making kids around the country if not the world, including my son, want to learn about stocks and try trading them (Including my son and daughter). WSB changed the game far more than everyone on this board will ever get credit for.

That said, you will do all this again. You will go after WS and the next time you will be smarter. There was only one thing that messed you all up: RobinHood and the other zero commission brokers that everyone used didnt have enough capital to fund the fight. They let you down in a big way.

When you load back up, fight a broker with TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS in assets on their balance sheet. Someone that can be there when the fight starts and wont blink an eye.

No disruption is easy or happens in a straight line. Stay with it. I am a believer

https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/lawubt/hey_everyone_its_mark_cuban_jumping_on_to_do_an/
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on February 03, 2021, 03:16:00 pm
Gamestop has approached the pre-WSB run up price.  On the surface, it may seem like a strategic loss for these guys, but IMO they are stronger and have more core resolve than ever.  And don't let anyone tell you that the Hedge Fund Managers are now sleeping better. I think this event supposedly cost the sector $10B the past few weeks in margin calls. It'll likely happen again.

Go Retards..  go!!!!
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Bigun on February 03, 2021, 03:27:45 pm
Gamestop has approached the pre-WSB run up price.  On the surface, it may seem like a strategic loss for these guys, but IMO they are stronger and have more core resolve than ever.  And don't let anyone tell you that the Hedge Fund Managers are now sleeping better. I think this event supposedly cost the sector $10B the past few weeks in margin calls. It'll likely happen again.

Go Retards..  go!!!!

 :yowsa: Excellent analysis @catfish1957 and I agree 100%! Those hedgefund @$$holes have been put on notice now!
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on February 03, 2021, 03:36:19 pm
:yowsa: Excellent analysis @catfish1957 and I agree 100%! Those hedgefund @$$holes have been put on notice now!

My favorite post today from the retards was them calling out Robinhood.  Couldn't afford the captialization for mangaing heavy trades (trade stops), while buying Superbowl Ad time?
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on February 03, 2021, 04:30:48 pm
Buy the Dip!  HOLD!!!

(Not financial advice.  Only learned to read yesterday.  I like the stonk!)
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on February 03, 2021, 05:00:57 pm
My favorite post today from the retards was them calling out Robinhood.  Couldn't afford the capitalization for managing heavy trades (trade stops), while buying Superbowl Ad time?

Robinhood has a serious conflict of interest here.  One of their biggest sources of revenue came from Citadel in exchange for real-time trade information on GME and other stocks by Robinhood users.  Also, Citadel channels more orders through Robinhood than through any other firm.

Two days before Robinhood restricted purchases (not sells) of GME stock, Citadel loaned Melvin Capital $2 billion to defend itself against the squeeze.  So Citadel had a financial stake in beating the squeeze while at the same time had access to the real-time trade information of those attempting the squeeze as well as influence over the firm handling those trades.

There was no excuse for Robinhood halting GME purchases while still allowing sales.  I would hope their actions would spell an end to their existence.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on March 11, 2021, 04:57:40 pm
GME back above $260.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on March 13, 2021, 10:35:00 pm
Which part?  The hedge fund investors shorting more stock shares than there were in existence?  Or some 23-year-old (who spends his time playing video games in his basement) figuring it out?

 :cool:

I have always thought the Hedge Shorty's are among the most sleaziest animals in the financial animal kingdom.  Seeing them getting fleeced by kids who see investment day trading like a video game has been some of my most enjoyable news moments of the past year.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: catfish1957 on April 19, 2021, 12:32:37 pm
Looks like this saga is going into the next phase...  legal proceedings against Robin Hood for market manipuation. 
This is going to be a groundbreaking case, as it will have long lasting ramifications of how shorts can game the brokerage houses for their own gain.   Hopefully, it will bring some changes to what has been an abused system that has "winked winked" at what is basically insider trading for some time.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lawsuits-against-robinhood-in-the-gamestop-saga-are-getting-their-day-in-court-but-theres-one-big-snag-11618806321?cx_testId=22&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=8&mod=home-page-cx#cxrecs_s (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lawsuits-against-robinhood-in-the-gamestop-saga-are-getting-their-day-in-court-but-theres-one-big-snag-11618806321?cx_testId=22&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=8&mod=home-page-cx#cxrecs_s)
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on April 19, 2021, 01:42:29 pm
Looks like this saga is going into the next phase...  legal proceedings against Robin Hood for market manipuation. 
This is going to be a groundbreaking case, as it will have long lasting ramifications of how shorts can game the brokerage houses for their own gain.   Hopefully, it will bring some changes to what has been an abused system that has "winked winked" at what is basically insider trading for some time.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lawsuits-against-robinhood-in-the-gamestop-saga-are-getting-their-day-in-court-but-theres-one-big-snag-11618806321?cx_testId=22&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=8&mod=home-page-cx#cxrecs_s (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lawsuits-against-robinhood-in-the-gamestop-saga-are-getting-their-day-in-court-but-theres-one-big-snag-11618806321?cx_testId=22&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=8&mod=home-page-cx#cxrecs_s)

I hope Robinhood loses.
Title: Re: AMC share price quadruples as retail traders raid hedge-fund short targets
Post by: Hoodat on April 19, 2021, 01:59:45 pm
I hope Robinhood loses.

I agree, considering that their prime source of income came from selling trade information and data directly to the hedge funds.