Authorities responded to reports of a mass shooting in San Bernardino, California on Wednesday.
Reports first surfaced around 2:15 p.m. ET of an incident in the area. The official San Bernardino Country Sheriff's Department Twitter account confirmed an active shooter in the area.
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Despite reports of a Planned Parenthood in the area, a representative for the organization told CNBC that the shooting was not at their facility. Last Friday, a gunman stormed a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado, killing three people.
Breaking News Feed @pzf 2m2 minutes agoOMG..... 8888crybaby
BREAKING NEWS: AT LEAST 12 DEAD IN CALIFORNIA ACTIVE SHOOTER.
Can I blame democrats hateful rhetoric yet?;)!
Can I blame democrats hateful rhetoric yet?I've already seen some nincompoop on Twitter blame the NRA.
I bet the White House is ecstatic right now.
Too early to know who the "enemy" is in this case, but it is clear we are all living on the front lines now of something truly horrific. If you don't carry, why?
confirmed...3 shooters and still at large
Too early to know who the "enemy" is in this case, but it is clear we are all living on the front lines now of something truly horrific. If you don't carry, why?
Why would anyone shoot up this place?Soft target and a gov building.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVPrXmYW4AIl7_Z.jpg)We all better buy as much ammo as we can and buy more guns before he does his EO.
President has been briefed....the countdown begins as to when he holds a presser
It must be terrorism, then.
This is definitely terrorism.
Robot going to detonate suspicious device.
Stephen Miller @redsteeze 37m37 minutes ago
MSNBC mentions Planned Parenthood in San Bernadino...Over a mile away and issued a statement they're not involved. Amazing irresponsibillity
If it is, will we be told the truth?
Gretchen Carlson @GretchenCarlson 30s30 seconds ago
Cops in Ca able to respond quickly because they were doing a training exercise nearby -
Another mass shooting as a training exercise occurs nearby?
Perhaps we should eliminate training exercises since they seem to coincide with mass shootings...
Dana Loesch @DLoesch 2m2 minutes ago
I see the mentions and DMs about suspect name but would like to see confirmation first.
Ben Shapiro @benshapiro 5m5 minutes ago
The answer to the San Bernardino shooting is clearly whatever the left wanted to push as policy before the San Bernardino shooting.
Another mass shooting as a training exercise occurs nearby?
Perhaps we should el22iminate training exercises since they seem to coincide with mass shootings...
Dana Loesch @DLoesch 2m2 minutes agoyes found more than 3 different FReepers who heard it.
I see the mentions and DMs about suspect name but would like to see confirmation first.
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So I guess this "Saeed" business is being heard by a lot of people.
Just heard on scanner "EOD has cleared the building, robot inside addressing IED"Who is EOD?
Who is EOD?
Who is EOD?
Markos Moulitsas Verified accountYeah, he's getting pounded for that little bit of idiocy.
@markos
Yo GOP, kinda hard to talk about "keeping people safe" when your peeps are shooting up America.
Dan! I wouldn't if I were you..... :whistle:
Eye on Politics @EyeOnPolitics 2m2 minutes agomay be a shooter at hospital, reading a post that people are hiding in a closet at hosp
BREAKING: Possible shooting at nearby Patton Hospital. #SanBernardino
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Large cities like that you are going to have SWAT and other groups training almost every day they aren't out on a raid. A lot of Alex Jones type websites make a big deal about these exercises but they are pretty routine. I have a friend in the local SWAT and he says they have these once or twice a week. Better than sitting behind a desk.
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Community North Hospital in Indianapolis. Active hostage situation.
Thanks for the updates all.Ssh, you're not supposed to mention that incident.
Just curious - did Hillary have any lament about "gun violence" when that clown in New Orleans shot up the local park last week and is now facing 17 counts of attempted murder?
Conn Carroll @conncarroll 2m2 minutes ago
Fox now reporting that conference room was rented out to a different group for a Christmas party.
Watching stream from local Fox11. They can't confirm it was 3 people. Police saying just one now. One witness said 3 fled but not sure if fog of war situation.
No info on the identity of that group? It might shed light on a motive.I was going to say maybe a Jewish group would stir the alleged Farook Sayed's ire, but of course they wouldn't be holding a Christmas party. :pondering:
You guys will believe anything if it comes on 'the news'...Speak for yourself. It's been noted repeatedly here that reports are conflicting and unsubstantiated at this point.
I was going to say maybe a Jewish group would stir the alleged Farook Sayed's ire, but of course they wouldn't be holding a Christmas party. :pondering:
Where did you see this??? **nononono*I forget now been following many links. If I find it I will post it.
Mark Knoller @markknoller 1m1 minute ago
Pres Obama tells @NorahODonnell there too many shooting incidents that are combinations of guns and mental issues.
I forget now been following many links. If I find it I will post it.
Mark Knoller @markknoller 1m1 minute agoThat is a law the dems knew about in 2011 and did nothing to change it.
Pres Obama again says Congress can do more to prevent gun violence. Laments that people on TSA No Fly List can still buy a gun.
Oh good grief, hospital director implying it is due to lack of funding for the center.
Fog of war doesn't mean foggy, it means that a lot of reports come in and It is hard to weed the real reports from the mundane. A guy carrying a camera tripod could be mistaken for a gun. I'm just posting what they are saying. Now the police are saying multiple shooters
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Don worry... the media and the government will tell you what truth to believe...
Speak for yourself. It's been noted repeatedly here that reports are conflicting and unsubstantiated at this point.
Scanner feed description of men middle eastern
Just .0001% more accurate than Alex Jones type blogs.
Mark Knoller @markknoller 1m1 minute ago
Pres Obama again says Congress can do more to prevent gun violence. Laments that people on TSA No Fly List can still buy a gun.
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H twitter.com/nytimes/status…
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
California shooting looks very bad. Good luck to law enforcement and God bless. This is when our police are so appreciated!
3:38 PM - 02 Dec 2015
Yeah, lets bring in 10,000 more from Syria!that is why he is bringing them in.
Greta Van Susteren @greta 3m3 minutes ago
but the cameras may have caught the license tag #
Greta Van Susteren added,
@greta heard they had masks
Dread Pirate Cates @drawandstrike 3m3 minutes ago
I keep hearing mentions of hostages being held vs. claims the shooters have 'fled in a black SUV'.
Total chaos right now. Trust nothing.
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H twitter.com/nytimes/status…
3:26 PM - 02 Dec 2015ReplayRetweetFavorite
Police source says Christmas party in the rented conference room by an outside group may have been the target, and not the center itself.
Geraldo Rivera @GeraldoRivera 6s6 seconds ago
14 Dead!! Terror in America. This is our future if we don't act. Determine motive. Why attack innocents? Who are the perps?
I use to work at Aetna on Waterman in San Bernardino before it moved to Loma Linda across the freeway. The social services bldgs were just down the street. This is a high traffic area both day and night there should be many witnesses. There are many restaurants on Waterman and quite a few businesses. This is right next to the 10 freeway too so they can escape easily and the 91 isn't to far away either.
This is our future if we don't stop the Syrian invasion.to late. They are here. obama needs them so he can take out our guns. then us
He sure has changed his tune since his daughter was close to the Paris attacks.He sure has.
Geraldo Rivera @GeraldoRivera 4s4 seconds agolong guns................well he hasn't change that much it looks like. GUNS AREN'T THE PROBLEM
"find locate and apprehend the suspects" then tear out their eyeballs and take their long guns and shove them up their asses
“Pursuit of vehicle on NB I-15. Black SUV, 3 males, high rate of speed.”
Fox reported earlier that they found the black Yukon abandonedYep that is what I thought too. Yet this is on the scanner feed.
On the radio they just called the license plate:
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Farooq Saeed has been identified as the possible San Bernardino shooting suspect, who reports indicate walked into a medical facility for people with developmental disabilities and opened fire.
The shooting took place at close to 11 a.m. in the 1300 block of South Waterman Avenue in the California city, taking place at a building identified as the Inland Regional Center. The facility is a state-run medical center that serves people with developmental disabilities, said Nancy Lungren, spokeswoman for the California Department of Developmental Services.
Unconfirmed reports identified the suspect as Farooq Saeed, a name repeated on police scanners and reported from some American news outlets.
There are unconfirmed reports that one of shooters is reportedly named as Farooq Saeed. Again UNCONFIRMED. pic.twitter.com/vnI8Isqgts
— WCBM 680 (@WCBM680) December 2, 2015
International news outlets also identified the suspect as Farooq Saeed.
#SanBernardino : Le nom d’un suspect serait apparemment Farooq Saeed https://t.co/kEImDgf1bA pic.twitter.com/r09Aq2wkvy
— RT France (@RTenfrancais) December 2, 2015
Reports indicated that the suspect may have been an employee of the medical facility, and is believed to have fled the scene in an SUV.
http://www.inquisitr.com/2605302/farooq-saeed-possible-san-bernardino-shooting-suspect-identified-by-news-outlets-police-manhunt-continues/
2:30 p.m.: Police told reporters at the news conference that they can neither confirm nor deny the shooting is a terrorist attack.
2:10 p.m.: Various reports on the police scanner suggest possible sightings of the weapons used in the shooting, and possibly a suspect as well: “Vehicle on golf course with multiple weapons inside. One at gunpoint.” Police report that long guns, not handguns, were used.
#BreakingNews Gunmen used rifles according to authorities. victims were centrally located inside building possibly gathered for a luncheon.
— Randy Mac (@RandyNBCLA) December 2, 2015
2:00 p.m.: San Bernardino police chief Jarrod Burguan told a news conference that there are at least 14 dead and 14 injured. 1:55 p.m.: Not to be outdone, Vox.com’s Matthew Yglesias joined in the mockery of people praying for the victims:
Other countries must have fewer mass shootings because their conservative politicians offer thoughts and prayers more vigorously.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) December 2, 2015
1:50 p.m.: With bodies still warm, victims being rushed to hospital, and gunmen on the loose, President Barack Obama has renewed his calls for gun control.
Pres Obama again says Congress can do more to prevent gun violence. Laments that people on TSA No Fly List can still buy a gun.
— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) December 2, 2015
The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein and Arthur Delaney are mocking people tweeting prayers for the victims and those in the line of fire:
Public officials are the people society trusts to solve society’s ills. Like, say, gun violence. But every time multiple people have been gunned down in a mass shooting, all these officials can seemingly do is rush to offer their useless thoughts and prayers. And so they did after news broke about multiple casualties in San Bernardino, California, on Wednesday.
Meanwhile, the emergency continues. The Los Angeles Times reports:
The Arrowhead Regional Medical Center, which is reportedly treating some victims of the shooting, will be on lockdown for at least the next six hours, security guards said. Nobody is being allowed in the main entrance. The Norton Space and Aeronautics Academy, which accepts students in kindergarten through eighth grade, is a block north of the Inland Regional Center, where the shooting took place.
1:30 p.m.: Multiple news agencies now report police activity in Pasadena, about an hour’s drive west of San Bernardino, north-northeast of downtown Los Angeles. News sources indicate that there is SWAT activity and that it is “related.”
#Pasadena SWAT scene that @NBCLA says is RELATED to #SanBernardino shooting is about an hour away pic.twitter.com/H487F0dYuG
— Mike Valerio (@MikeNBC12) December 2, 2015
1:20 p.m.: Unconfirmed police scanner reports indicate: “Man in military fatigues currently at Roberts Elementary school.” The scanner also reports a “Middle Eastern male” with “long beard, tactical shorts and a backpack.” Again, the reports are unconfirmed. Reuters is reporting three confirmed fatalities. Multiple agencies report witnesses being evacuated for police interviews, presumably to find clues that could lead to the gunmen’s identification and/or capture. 1:10 p.m.: Fox News reports that the gunmen attacked a Christmas party being held in a rented conference room at the center, and were wearing “military-style” clothing. None of the suspected gunmen are in custody and all are presumed armed and dangerous. Speaking with local ABC News reporters, police have confirmed “fatalities” and “some type of function” at the center. 1:00 p.m.: The area near the Inland Regional Center remains locked down, including civic buildings. There are numerous unconfirmed report of a suspect’s name, which Breitbart News is unable to confirm and therefore cannot report at this time. 12:40 p.m.: Though the active shooter situation is still ongoing, Democrats are not losing the opportunity to weigh in on gun control, the National Rifle Association, and other pet causes.
I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H https://t.co/SkKglwQycb — Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) December 2, 2015
Horrifying news out of #SanBernardino. Enough is enough: it’s time to stand up to the @NRA and enact meaningful gun safety laws — Martin O’Malley (@MartinOMalley) December 2, 2015
I’m monitoring the shooting in San Bernardino closely. Absolutely heartbreaking that we’re faced with another mass shooting. —
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
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My heart breaks yet again w/ shooting #SanBernardino. When will these stop? We can’t lose another life due to #GunViolence —
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY)
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The police scanner is reporting a search for a Black GMC Yukon and a shooter with a black mask. 12:30 p.m.: The Inland Regional Center has not reported on the shooting on Facebook or Twitter. Its Facebook page features scenes from a Christmas party:
And the FBI guy doesn't know if it's terrorism or not.
My God, what does it take !!!
Every single person in the US knows that this is terrorism.
Every non liberal knows. Barack and Hillary think it was guns to blame.
They're chasing an SUV traveling at a high rate of speed right now. Four Officers are chasing one on foot through a Parking Lot. One in. custody. Shots being fired from the rear window of the SUV
Every non liberal knows. Barack and Hillary think it was guns to blame.
SUV pursuit may not be connected to shooting this morning?
These guys had hours to escape and be long gone..why still in the neighborhood..just doesn't make sense
One commentator said they may have intended to go farther, but just hid out until the scene was cleared.
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web
I've been following your posts (and others) all afternoon from the office.
Thank you for doing such a terrific job!
These suspects being talked about, are they not part of those involved in the original shooting at inland center?I do not know. It sounds like yes, cannot confirm.
By the way if the Fox news story is correct a guy got mad at shooting site then left and came back with his 2 other pals.....handy he had 2 pals with full on body armor for 3 people? no way i believe it was not planned ahead of time.
The media maybe trying to cover for IslamI am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated. An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.American Muslims might not have the same training or temperament as the suicide ISIS Muzzies who do stuff like the Paris attacks.
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated. An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated. An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.
That is nonsensical, many of the Paris attackers took off as well...those with vehicles.i know. Cnn trying to not tie it to isis.
4:45 p.m.: Rick Serrano of the Los Angeles Times reports that federal officials believe the shooting is a kind of workplace dispute.Well, it did happen in a workplace. So did the Paris attacks - in several workplaces, including a cafe, a concert hall ...
4:45 p.m.: Rick Serrano of the Los Angeles Times reports that federal officials believe the shooting is a kind of workplace dispute.
Well, it did happen in a workplace. So did the Paris attacks - in several workplaces, including a cafe, a concert hall ...
if it takes a long time to release the identities, that is a good indication it is exactly what it was.Exactly
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.
This is not ISIS. Not enough dead. They would have shot as many people in that building as they could have. No, this was somebody pissed off at somebody or at the group which was in that conference room
This has all the signs of a full cell being activated. An unknown number of assailants - perhaps not all took part in this particular event, some may be support or planning additional actions.
American Muslims might not have the same training or temperament as the suicide ISIS Muzzies who do stuff like the Paris attacks.
But Paris didn't happen during the work DAY. ISIS is random terror. This was, unfortunately, workplace violence, it seems.
But Paris didn't happen during the work DAY. ISIS is random terror. This was, unfortunately, workplace violence, it seems.
Have the authorities definitively identified the two dead as being suspects in the shooting this morning?
I would imagine there are a number of gang bangers with felony warrants in San Bernadino who might try to shoot their way out of an unforseen police engagement.
Have the authorities definitively identified the two dead as being suspects in the shooting this morning?While this shooting business was going on in San Bernardino, the other criminals in town probably weren't taking a break from their regular activities!
I would imagine there are a number of gang bangers with felony warrants in San Bernadino who might try to shoot their way out of an unforseen police engagement.
But Paris didn't happen during the work DAY. ISIS is random terror. This was, unfortunately, workplace violence, it seems.
How did he get a couple others involved in his grievance to the extent they'd massacre innocents?Yes pals who had full on body armor.
So you're saying it's "workplace violence." I'm sure Obama will say the same thing once it's confirmed that the shooters had Arabic ties. You and Obama have very similar talking points these days.
:whistle:
NBC Newschopper feed:
roh ruh a talker on Cnn just told erin this was a isis attack style
It seems this Private Party was for County Employees but one would expect this kind of action to be undertaken by a lone kook if it was workplace related. How did he get a couple others involved in his grievance to the extent they'd massacre innocents?
I don't know why you're attacking me. I know I'm a jerk on Trump, but you're a jerk ON EVERY SINGLE THREAD.
Just like Ft. Hood, eh?? **nononono*
Ft. Hood was random. This appears to be targeted at certain individuals or a whole group.
Not all ISIS killers are on a suicide mission. Remember Paris? There was a manhunt there, too. For days.
By the way if the Fox news story is correct a guy got mad at shooting site then left and came back with his 2 other pals.....handy he had 2 pals with full on body armor for 3 people? no way i believe it was not planned ahead of time.
I'm not attacking you. I think you adamantly calling it "workplace violence" is dumb without knowing the entire facts of the shooting. All signs now point to something other than every other "workplace violence" shooting in US history.
Cnn must be upset. Their talking heads keep on saying this was to well planned.
The authorities obviously know the names of the perps. I imagine there is a massive data scrubbing operation going on at the NSA right now of those perps' footprints, except those that may tie them to the right, of course.yep....notice that if the perp is white it sure doesn't take them long to release name.
Ft. Hood was random. This appears to be targeted at certain individuals or a whole group.
Well,I'm just advancing a theory. I don't know, and you damned sure don't effing know.
Just to speculate, perhaps he entered the meeting knowing he wasn't going to be welcomed. Maybe his intention ultimately was to see exactly WHO was at the meeting, and who sided against him.
Then he leaves and returns with his accomplices.
Wow
So Hassan's communications with terror groups were just a coincidence?
Just to speculate, perhaps he entered the meeting knowing he wasn't going to be welcomed. Maybe his intention ultimately was to see exactly WHO was at the meeting, and who sided against him.
Then he leaves and returns with his accomplices.
No, your posts indicate that you do know, or do you not mean to post the words that you post?
This is not ISIS. Not enough dead. They would have shot as many people in that building as they could have. No, this was somebody pissed off at somebody or at the group which was in that conference room
The victims were random.
The victims here seem to have been targeted.
Do we know the group holding the meeting?I heard on FOX News it was a Christmas - er, Holiday - party for folks from the county health department. Do not know for sure.
per Cnn ar15 type weapons. As they chase the vehicle they tossed pipe bombs out of vehicle.
The house they are searching is a perps
The victims were all at Ft. Hood.
The victims here were all in a meeting. Or did these three have a beef with every one of the 28 specific people that they shot?
per Cnn ar15 type weapons. As they chase the vehicle they tossed pipe bombs out of vehicle.
The house they are searching is a perps
per Cnn ar15 type weapons. As they chase the vehicle they tossed pipe bombs out of vehicle.
The house they are searching is a perps
Cop talk: Suspicious vehicle went by us, black Honda Civic, partial license #5YZ_82. One occupant has beard.
Most workplace violent incidents involve pipe bombs being thrown out of cars, right?
Devout Muslims are rejoicing.
EXCLUSIVE: ISIS Adherents Praise San Bernardino Massacre, Declare “America Burning”
The Islamic State created a horrifying hashtag praising the mass shooting but did not take credit for the killings
By James King and Adi Cohen, Vocativ, on Dec 02, 2015 at 6:34 PM
ISIS extremists began celebrating the mass shooting in San Bernardino hours after the massacre, creating the hashtag #America_Burning as police hunted for as many as three shooters, Vocativ discovered. The Islamic State, however, did not take credit for the shootings in the ghoulish postings.
Vocativ deep web analysts discovered the ISIS posts on web forums where the extremists frequently share information.
“Three lions made us proud. They are still alive,” one ISIS adherent tweeted in Arabic after the shootings at Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino. “California streets are full with soldiers with heavy weapons. The Unites States is burning #America_Burning #Takbir”
- See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2015/12/isis-sympathizers-celebrating-san-bernadino-shooting-declare-americaburining.html/#sthash.Og43TOXP.dpuf
The authorities obviously know the names of the perps. I imagine there is a massive data scrubbing operation going on at the NSA right now of those perps' footprints, except those that may tie them to the right, of course.
That settles it! :whistle: **nononono*
Bye.
Most workplace violent incidents involve pipe bombs being thrown out of cars, right?
I'm not making heads nor tails from these San Bernardino police/sheriff radio feeds. Half the time I think they're talking about other everyday police stuff, not this shooting.They switched channels it seems.
One suspect was at meeting targeting the event to make sure targets were on sight.
Code for "I give up, because I can't respond to your point."
Isis on twitter cheering the attack. Called the attackers the 'three lions'.
http://pamelageller.com/2015/12/isis-sympathizers-celebrating-san-bernadino-shooting-declare-americaburining.html/
This going around now! :shrug:
On Twitter: one suspect in custody an ARABIC FEMALE.
NBC Newschopper feed:
SWAT has moved down street to a new residence.
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roh ruh a talker on Cnn just told erin this was a isis attack style
Isis on twitter cheering the attack. Called the attackers the 'three lions'.
http://pamelageller.com/2015/12/isis-sympathizers-celebrating-san-bernadino-shooting-declare-americaburining.html/
That's what I was thinking. He/She wanted to make sure somebody was in there.
That settles it! :whistle: **nononono*I know!
Wow
So Hassan's communications with terror groups were just a coincidence?
The FBI guy on CNN says these tactics are more "Middle Eastern" than "criminal". Throwing pipe bombs out of a get away car is used frequently in the Middle East to stop the police chasing them. :shrug:
No code. Just sick of your aggravation.
Except the pipe bombs didn't go off.
It would be refreshing, and also considerate to the rest of us, if you guys could cease your chicken shit stuff and stick to the subject at hand. If you want to snipe at each other why don't you start your own thread for that.
And John Kerry today says he wants more refugees from Syria...85,000 next year, 100,000 the year after.
Dude just has the best sense of timing I've ever seen.
And that means what?
They were incompetent or they were never intended to go off.
So what happened with the third suspect, holed up in a church (or not)?
So what happened with the third suspect, holed up in a church (or not)?
So what happened with the third suspect, holed up in a church (or not)?They are going door to door. Cnn just had a guy call in and tell them they knocked on his door.
Cnn.....manhunt on the way.
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Re: Eyewitness saying on Fox News perps had black beards.
Cnn.....manhunt on the way.
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Re: Eyewitness saying on Fox News perps had black beards.
Eye on Politics @EyeOnPolitics 2m2 minutes agoOK so lets get this straight. Workplace violence. Handy guy gets pissed off gets his buddies who just happen to have full body armor and pipe bombs. Oh IEDs too. Yeah not terrorism.
Another IED has been found. #sanbernardino
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Disgruntled employees upset their employers didn't provide shaving kits...Yeah disgruntled employees always have full body armor, IEDs ,pipe bombs. :smokin:
OK so lets get this straight. Workplace violence. Handy guy gets pissed off gets his buddies who just happen to have full body armor and pipe bombs. Oh IEDs too. Yeah not terrorism.
I believe Sink is saying that the victims Hasan targeted were random. Not the location.
In time, the truth will be known.
Two terrorism experts on O'Reilly are sure this is related to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.
How does the LA Times know that one of the perps was in the conference room prior to the shooting when the names of the shooters hasn't even been released yet?
These people had a connection to the group that was meeting. This was not an act of international terrorism, which would have involved a much higher body count and the entire building would have been shot up.
The motivation here seemed to be somebody pissed off at a person or persons or a group. Yes, it was planned, but it was targeted. Not random.
5:15 p.m.: CNN reports that the conference center at the Inland Regional Center, which is where the shooting took place, had been rented by San Bernadino County personnel for the purpose of holding an annual holiday party.
And they are right!
Two terrorism experts on O'Reilly are sure this is related to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.
Except the pipe bombs didn't go off.
These people had a connection to the group that was meeting. This was not an act of international terrorism, which would have involved a much higher body count and the entire building would have been shot up.
The motivation here seemed to be somebody pissed off at a person or persons or a group. Yes, it was planned, but it was targeted. Not random.
Large cities like that you are going to have SWAT and other groups training almost every day they aren't out on a raid. A lot of Alex Jones type websites make a big deal about these exercises but they are pretty routine. I have a friend in the local SWAT and he says they have these once or twice a week. Better than sitting behind a desk.I have been working on a real estate deal yesterday and today with a Los Angeles Fire Dept./EMT friend and client. All this afternoon he has not responded to my text, which is how we communicate when he is working. My guess is that his unit may have rotated into a support role because of this emergency.
Why throw them if they're never intended to go off? I think incompetent is the only correct answer here.
It would be refreshing, and also considerate to the rest of us, if you guys could cease your chicken shit stuff and stick to the subject at hand. If you want to snipe at each other why don't you start your own thread for that.
Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.
Perp walks into the part knowing she is not welcomed, but she needs to find out if the person(s) she going to shoot are there.
After they yell at her to leave, she "feigns anger"....goes out to the vehicle.
"...Now you know the Rest of the Story"
M.Joseph Sheppard â€@MJosephSheppard 2m2 minutes ago
“San Bernadino police just released the name of the other suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.”
Yes, that would seem highly unlikely. At least some degree of planning appears to be involved. That would not rule out a workplace dispute, but the involvement of other parties tends to indicate shared motivation. The FBI is busy tonight.
M.Joseph Sheppard â€@MJosephSheppard 2m2 minutes ago
“San Bernadino police just released the name of the other suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.”
Two terrorism experts on O'Reilly are sure this is related to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.
An eyewitness in the room said that a man came into the meeting, got angry, left and came back with the other two.
Qatar the suburb of Irvine? /snark
Qatar the suburb of Irvine? /snarkNah Century City suburb.
Other reports say the female went into the room. :shrug:
I don't think a citizen of Qatar is going to be working at the San Bernardino Inland Regional Center.
If the FBI spends more than 10 minutes before figuring out this isn't "workplace violence," Director Comey should step down at the end of the week.
"some degree of planning"
"tends to indicate"
What's happened to my country?
presser not willing to go down the terrorism route. Pffft!
Information is always confused early on. We'll find out eventually.....
(I think it now sounds like it was the woman).
M.Joseph Sheppard â€@MJosephSheppard 2m2 minutes ago
“San Bernadino police just released the name of the other suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen.”
btw, they named Farooq Saaed, and said his name had come over their scanners.
Maybe she was fighting the war on women
/snark
I'm sure we'll be hearing soon that he recently converted to Christianity.
Flowers reported that hours ago listening to the scanners. It seemed Flowers reports are turning out to be pretty accurate. (description, name, vehicle, number, etc). Better than the media.
The other suspect, whose name has been advanced as Farooq Saeed, did work at the San Bernardino Health Department, which was the target of the attack.
Flowers reported that hours ago listening to the scanners. It seemed Flowers reports are turning out to be pretty accurate. (description, name, vehicle, number, etc). Better than the media.
Pro-life Rush listener who was angry over the fake Planned Parenthood videos... oh yea, and ate GMOs, liked Chick-fil-a and was a climate change denier.
Those mean and hateful people at the Christmas party wouldn't let the Arab person who had recently converted into their party. Poor person had no choice but to murder them!
I can write the liberal narrative for them if they want me to do so.
And Farooq just happened to have a Qatari citizen and an unknown woman willing to go to their deaths to right a workplace wrong of some kind? Three from an Islamic background just happen to engage in an act of workplace violence? And all we have been hearing for weeks is that attacks in America are imminent?
Methinks that is a stretch a bit too far in these days.
Those mean and hateful people at the Christmas party wouldn't let the Arab person who had recently converted into their party. Poor person had no choice but to murder them!
I can write the liberal narrative for them if they want me to do so.
The possible Farook.
http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l/7981418/Syed-R-Farook
If him, seems to be a low paid employee, entry level or low skill worker. If terrorism, maybe took the job to get a lay of the place or took advantage of the knowledge of the place when activate.
The possible Farook.
http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l/7981418/Syed-R-Farook
If him, seems to be a low paid employee, entry level or low skill worker (says Environmental Health Specialist which could mean he cleans air vents). If terrorism, maybe took the job to get a lay of the place or took advantage of the knowledge of the place when activate.
Methinks Farooq, the alleged employee, may have cased and planned for a terrorist attack based on what he knew - he knew that facility and could engage in planning to kill the infidels there at their Christmas party...just because he worked there doesn't mean it is workplace violence, it might just mean that he had good access to the facilities and the activities there to effectively plan a soft-target terrorist attack with his fellow Islamic jihadis.
Methinks Farooq, the alleged employee, may have cased and planned for a terrorist attack based on what he knew - he knew that facility and could engage in planning to kill the infidels there at their Christmas party...just because he worked there doesn't mean it is workplace violence, it might just mean that he had good access to the facilities and the activities there to effectively plan a soft-target terrorist attack with his fellow Islamic jihadis.yep....... they have had 7 years to infiltrate our system.
Cnn trying to say person upset came back and did this. Also cannot understand why they picked this event. soft target you idiots. Cnn how did this guy who was upset come back so quickly with EIDs pipe bombs and full on tack gear.?
Lead shooter was US citizen . ..per Fox News . .
presser not willing to go down the terrorism route. Pffft!
The possible Farook.Just like the 9/11 attackers. They went to flight schools and wanted only to learn how to take off not land. They are all over in this country now.
http://state-employees.findthedata.com/l/7981418/Syed-R-Farook
If him, seems to be a low paid employee, entry level or low skill worker (says Environmental Health Specialist which could mean he cleans air vents). If terrorism, maybe took the job to get a lay of the place or took advantage of the knowledge of the place when activate.
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.
These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.
They have no frigin idea as to whether or not the person who allegedly left that party is one of the participants in the shooting.That is what they want to run with. It will be the story. Even though pipe bombs, IEDs and tac gear takes time to make and get.
Just like the 9/11 attackers. They went to flight schools and wanted only to learn how to take off not land. They are all over in this country now.
The person had already been fired and they told them to haul :nono:.
They just wanted to be sure the party had started and that their supervisor was there. :shrug:
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.
These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.
These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.
This has become a charade. They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute. Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?
They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.
Exactly. Minor league copy cat attack.
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.
These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.
Minor league? Tell that to the families of the dead.
This has become a charade. They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute. Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?yep......that is the MO of all of the events. If a white guy, right away. Not helping the agenda.....trying to find a way to make it so.
They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.
Minor league in terms of the number of dead. No disrespect meant to the dead at all.
Exactly. Minor league copy cat attack.
Exactly. Minor league copy cat attack.
Minor league? Tell that to the families of the dead.
Is Roseburg, OR a major city, where the shooter was asking his victims their religion, and was shooting Christians? Notice how that story went away quickly?Wasn't the perpetrator of that massacre an agnostic, or something like that? Again, not Islamic.
This has become a charade. They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute. Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?
They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.
Minor league? Tell that to the families of the dead.
I think you nailed it!
Methinks Farooq, the alleged employee, may have cased and planned for a terrorist attack based on what he knew - he knew that facility and could engage in planning to kill the infidels there at their Christmas party...just because he worked there doesn't mean it is workplace violence, it might just mean that he had good access to the facilities and the activities there to effectively plan a soft-target terrorist attack with his fellow Islamic jihadis.
Thanks for clarifying, and good to hear.
Wasn't the perpetrator of that massacre an agnostic, or something like that? Again, not Islamic.
No, the shooter there had ISIS links on his Facebook page, and one of his few "friends" was an overseas Muslim.
Why are some of you so quick to defend the Death Cult known as Islam? I don't get it.
One possibility is that terrorists want to make ALL of us afraid, and not just those in big cities. It could be an expansion of their methods.But again, a single attack on a single place is not how the global Islamic terror network works. If this had happened in multiple locations, that would be the trademark of an Islamic terror attack.
"Minor league" sounds a lot like "JV team" and minimizes the terror and horror of what happened today.
jmyrle wrote above:
"These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror."
Why smaller cities?
Softer, easier targets.
There are hundreds of them and thousands of locations like this one from which to choose.
The "uncertainty" of where you can strike next increases the level of anxiety EVERYwhere.
As we see places like New York and D.C. "toughened", the logical choice is to target "nowheresville", because you can't protect these places.
From the terrorist perspective, this will be critiqued as a highly successful operation.
We're going to see more like it.
Perhaps many more.
This has become a charade. They've got all three perps, they likely know who they are and they know from witnesses who the individual was that walked out of the party after a dispute. Yet they cannot verify that the guy who walked out wasn't one of the three folks they've killed or captured?
They are trying to find a way to present this to the public that will mitigate the political repercussions of another Islamist terror attack on U.S. soil.
Is Roseburg, OR a major city, where the shooter was asking his victims their religion, and was shooting Christians? Notice how that story went away quickly?
It was a stupid thing to post in the first place. 14 dead is not "minor league" anything, regardless.
Minor leaguers are still professionals. This is not a major terrorist attack. It was targeted at a small group of people for, likely a very specific reason.
It may be a terrorist attack. We just don't know yet until we know if Farooq Saeed had threatened to get back at his employers or had been fired or something else.
prerecorded
http://radiobackend.appspot.com/serve?recording=p78Lt (http://radiobackend.appspot.com/serve?recording=p78Lt)
peaceful muslims my ass :facepalm2:
You don't compile pipe bombs for a getaway. And you sure as hell don't sit in the back seat with an AR-15 strapped to your chest...unless you're planning on hitting another site.
Just something to consider.
prerecorded
http://radiobackend.appspot.com/serve?recording=p78Lt
peaceful muslims my ass :facepalm2:
The police chief clarified in the last news conference that the pipe "bombs" had no explosives in them. So they were decoys.
One possibility is that terrorists want to make ALL of us afraid, and not just those in big cities. It could be an expansion of their methods.
The police chief clarified in the last news conference that the pipe "bombs" had no explosives in them. So they were decoys.
But again, a single attack on a single place is not how the global Islamic terror network works. If this had happened in multiple locations, that would be the trademark of an Islamic terror attack.
This has all the hallmarks of an act of retaliation. Islamic terrorists have been known to do that; see, for example, Charlie Hebdo. The question is, what triggered this (not to say that it is justified by any means, because it is certainly not)?
It seems to me that global Islamic terror takes many forms. But most importantly, its intent is to terrorize innocent people. What better way to expand their methods in a country with many small cities and towns than to target a smaller population area?
I also remember that one of the targets post 9/11 was Polaris Mall north of Columbus. While Columbus is a large city, the area that Polaris is in is not that dissimilar from San Bernardino.
This doesn't seem that far afield for international terror to me.
But again, a single attack on a single place is not how the global Islamic terror network works. If this had happened in multiple locations, that would be the trademark of an Islamic terror attack.
This has all the hallmarks of an act of retaliation. Islamic terrorists have been known to do that; see, for example, Charlie Hebdo. The question is, what triggered this (not to say that it is justified by any means, because it is certainly not)?
Name of the prime shooter was Sayeed Faroouk. An American citizen.
In this day of social media and 24 hour news cycles, any city can play a story like a major big city. Drive from LA to San Bernardino and you wouldn't know you left one town and entered another except the signs and the time it takes, it is all just one big sprawl. So it is a major media hub.
I don't defend Islam, I have worked with Muslims here in America and it didn't bother me.
It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances.
I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner. The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities. Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.
It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances.
I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner. The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities. Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.
To be more honest I'm afraid of ISIS supporters who are American citizens. Mainly the home grown variety.
It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances.
I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner. The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities. Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.
It seems to me that global Islamic terror takes many forms. But most importantly, its intent is to terrorize innocent people. What better way to expand their methods in a country with many small cities and towns than to target a smaller population area?
I also remember that one of the targets post 9/11 was Polaris Mall north of Columbus. While Columbus is a large city, the area that Polaris is in is not that dissimilar from San Bernardino.
This doesn't seem that far afield for international terror to me.
Arne.....you should spend more time with us.
Really like your POV and the way you express it.
Does that rule out Islamic terror? (Who deemed him the "prime shooter"?)
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American - in our jails and correctional institutions. These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.
If necessary H*** yes
So what is your solution? Kick all of the Muslims out?
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American - in our jails and correctional institutions. These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American - in our jails and correctional institutions. These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.
Are you on some kind of hair-trigger toward me?
No. It doesn't rule out Islamic terrorism. And I'm just repeating "prime shooter" because he was the guy who was employed by the Health Department that he and an accomplice shot up.
And the FBI guy doesn't know if it's terrorism or not.
My God, what does it take !!!
It seems to me that global Islamic terror takes many forms. But most importantly, its intent is to terrorize innocent people. What better way to expand their methods in a country with many small cities and towns than to target a smaller population area?
I also remember that one of the targets post 9/11 was Polaris Mall north of Columbus. While Columbus is a large city, the area that Polaris is in is not that dissimilar from San Bernardino.
This doesn't seem that far afield for international terror to me.
If necessary H*** yes
I have read their koran
they have the world divided
Dār al-Ḥarb ...house of war
thats us and the rest of the kufars (the civilized world )
dar al islam ...any country under Islamic rule
read the koran its very plain about violence and death regarding non muslims
Every non liberal knows. Barack and Hillary think it was guns to blame.
So we should also kick out American citizens who are Muslim??
It would be refreshing, and also considerate to the rest of us, if you guys could cease your chicken shit stuff and stick to the subject at hand. If you want to snipe at each other why don't you start your own thread for that.Totally agree with that.
Maybe they'll blame it on a video, perhaps some NRA promo on the internet.
These suspects being talked about, are they not part of those involved in the original shooting at inland center?
By the way if the Fox news story is correct a guy got mad at shooting site then left and came back with his 2 other pals.....handy he had 2 pals with full on body armor for 3 people? no way i believe it was not planned ahead of time.
One possibility is that terrorists want to make ALL of us afraid, and not just those in big cities. It could be an expansion of their methods.
Let's stay on topic tonight. We'll have this debate soon enough.
Thanks.
God bless her but sometimes Megyn Kelly makes me shake my head.
She just asked Kallstrom "What Islamic terrorist would target one meeting and leave the rest of the site alone?
Uh ... it wasn't a "meeting". It was a Christmas party!
God bless her but sometimes Megyn Kelly makes me shake my head.
She just asked Kallstrom "What Islamic terrorist would target one meeting and leave the rest of the site alone?
Uh ... it wasn't a "meeting". It was a Christmas party!
No we won't have that debate. We do not discriminate on the basis of religion in this country.
I am listening to Cnn.....they are really covering it, saying because they ran away it wasn't a suicide mission. not isis.
Minor leaguers are still professionals. This is not a major terrorist attack. It was targeted at a small group of people for, likely a very specific reason.
It may be a terrorist attack. We just don't know yet until we know if Farooq Saeed had threatened to get back at his employers or had been fired or something else.
6:32 p.m.: NBC goes further and states that a second suspect could be Farook’s brother:
JUST IN: Suspect in #SanBernardino shooting ID'd as Syed Farook; Another believed to be Farook's brother: Sources https://t.co/XuFyOhXh2T
— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 3, 2015
Exactly. This is not random terror, which is ISIS' specialty. Somebody was pissed and had accomplices (and why these other two would go down for this other clown is a mystery).
....and as the person she was talking to not 20 minutes ago pointed out, that was the only part of the building that wasn't secured with controlled access.Cnn upset with that as well. why target that area. Duh!
. It doesn't rule out Islamic terrorism.
And they just happened to have body armor and etc? How convenient.Yes really convenient. :smokin:
And they just happened to have body armor and etc?
Code for "I give up, because I can't respond to your point."
No code. Just sick of your aggravation.
That they didn't commit suicide is not determinative. It sounds like a local cell was activated; they would most likely be Americans who were recruited, with possibly a foreign handler/manager, and those people - the American recruits - would probably not be able to carry out the final act, the suicide, because not as fully vested as a foreign cadre would be. I've heard of this happening here and there overseas.
Terrorists are independent contractors essentially. Some are more proficient than others.
Am I allowed to say Muslims are cheering? You won't get any speculation from me on the number of celebrants, though.
Except the pipe bombs didn't go off.
These people had a connection to the group that was meeting. This was not an act of international terrorism, which would have involved a much higher body count and the entire building would have been shot up.
The motivation here seemed to be somebody pissed off at a person or persons or a group. Yes, it was planned, but it was targeted. Not random.
Disgruntled employees upset their employers didn't provide shaving kits...
or just so blinded by loyalty to liberalism they can't see what is right in front of their face?that is the answer.
So they didn't get the bombs built correctly. That doesn't vitiate the basic point.
So ISIS terrorists are now targeting the Health Department of San Bernardino county? What sense does that make? Why not shoot up the entire building if this is ISIS-style terrorism?
So they didn't get the bombs built correctly. That doesn't vitiate the basic point.
They didn't just "not build them correctly." They forgot to put explosives in the pipes.
This got me thinking. What are qualifications to be a terrorist? I mean, is there a screening process? Do you get an interview? Does senior management take you to lunch, check you out?
You know when the ad reads "...experience with self detonation required," they're not getting the cream of the crop.
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American - in our jails and correctional institutions. These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.
These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.I notice this big time, for there hasn't been very much focus on Lost Angeles, our 2nd largest city. I think the terrorists' point is yes, we can do it there too.
These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.
There is one thing not consistent with an Islamic terror attack.
These things typically take place in the major cities: New York, London, Paris, Madrid. They involve multiple targets, usually targeting major landmarks. A targeted hit on a single location, in a mid-sized, exurban city, does not fit the usual profile of global Islamic terror.
They probably had a driver waiting with the SUV, which would make four total.
Doesn't everyone? :smokin:
Especially two days after the idiot in the White House informed Americans and the World that Global Warming was a bigger threat to our lives and futures than Islamist Terror. Did global warming kill 14 innocent souls in San Bernadino today?How exactly will he explain this episode and glubull warming together?
soft target of opportunity.
This got me thinking. What are qualifications to be a terrorist? I mean, is there a screening process? Do you get an interview? Does senior management take you to lunch, check you out?
You know when the ad reads "...experience with self detonation required," they're not getting the cream of the crop.
I notice this big time, for there hasn't been very much focus on Lost Angeles, our 2nd largest city. I think the terrorists' point is yes, we can do it there too.
And they certainly have a diverse population within which to mingle. LA is for instance the largest place for Iranians, out side Iran. Not saying this is Iranian, BTW--just portraying the multi-cultural aspect of this huge metro area.
They didn't just "not build them correctly." They forgot to put explosives in the pipes.
In this day of social media and 24 hour news cycles, any city can play a story like a major big city. Drive from LA to San Bernardino and you wouldn't know you left one town and entered another except the signs and the time it takes, it is all just one big sprawl. So it is a major media hub.Second largest metro area in the nation; they had reporters on scene in helicopters in a few minutes.
“I haven’t heard anything. He worked in a county office,” Farook's dad told The News. “He’s married and has a kid. We’re estranged because my wife got the divorce, and they are together. She doesn’t want to see me.”
Farook said he hasn’t seen his son in some time.
“He was very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back. He’s Muslim.”
I clearly understand your point, sink.
Horrific? Certainly.
Terrorism? Almost certainly.
Jihad sympathizers? Likely.
A formal cell of ISIS or similar? Maybe not.
It certainly could have been spurred by some perceived workplace humiliation or slight but the attack on a Christmas celebration - and the enlistment of co-conspirators to conduct the murder - leads me to believe that the perceived "insult" was to the perp's religious demands and the attack on a Christian event merely satisfied a number of pathological grievances.That was my first reaction. The idea of multiple attacks on our nation here at home, after this many years of Obama drives the point across, that his policies for national security simply have failed.
I am not fully confident that this story is going to be presented in an unvarnished manner. The Democrats have far too much political capital invested in their feckless approach to our security priorities. Events like this can be game changers in Electoral politics and the Dems are up to their asses in appeasement and dereliction of duty.
(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/48303725.cached.jpg)
Syed Farook
kevindavis asks above:
"So what is your solution? Kick all of the muslims out?"
In a word.... yes.
Return them to dar al-islam.
Do you understand what that term describes?
Second largest metro area in the nation; they had reporters on scene in helicopters in a few minutes.
Goodnight you all!
I wonder how long before news organizations give up helicopters for drones? Drones get excellent aerial photography.
The only helicopters I see any more in the sky above New York City are police copters.
I'm concerned about the rise of militant Islam among prisoners - primarily African American - in our jails and correctional institutions. These are dangerous sociopaths to begin with and the persecution ideology of radical Islam appeals to that diseased mindset.We will be letting them out into our civilian populations, since we lack resources and sense to keep them behind bars.
Perhaps the "trigger" was the fact that the Department offended and insulted Sayd's religion by sponsoring a Christmas celebration and he recruited two other ghouls to avenge that insult to Allah. He went in to denounce the managers and co-workers for not acceding to his demands.
Who knows? It could be workplace AND religion related. 14 people are dead because of these assholes and their corrupt religion doubtless DID play a role regardless if they were part of a larger network or not.
Thank you flowers, I've been reading through it all to catch up and you have done a great job of updating us! I appreciate the effort!
:beer:
God bless you, flowers. You did a fantastic job!
That'll probably take several years of wooing the FAA. Right now drones give the FAA the vapors.
To use drones for any commercial endeavor right now requires an FAA rule 333 exception which is a major PITA to get. (example, you have to be a licensed pilot with a certain number of flight hours). This impacts the media too. The FAA has been in limbo in standardizing the rules and until then, they are starting to fine anyone who uses drones commercially without that exception, (10K fines to start plus loosing the opportunity to file for the 333 exemption). Right now, real estate photographers have been the big ones hit as they are the biggest commercial users, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing some fights between the media and fedgov over this in the next year.
To use drones for any commercial endeavor right now requires an FAA rule 333 exception which is a major PITA to get. (example, you have to be a licensed pilot with a certain number of flight hours). This impacts the media too. The FAA has been in limbo in standardizing the rules and until then, they are starting to fine anyone who uses drones commercially without that exception, (10K fines to start plus loosing the opportunity to file for the 333 exemption). Right now, real estate photographers have been the big ones hit as they are the biggest commercial users, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing some fights between the media and fedgov over this in the next year.However right now Amazon is talking about delivering packages by drones, which fly below 400 ft. altitude.
It's like these news reporters are stumbling over themselves to say we don't know if it is terrorism...sigh...do they not remember their own stories from two weeks ago about ISIS recruiting over the Internet and telling the "believers" to launch exactly this type of attack.
They are saying "because he's Muslim doesn't mean this is terrorism". They are just simply idiots and it is this kind of idiocy that has crippled this country in so many ways. We can't make judgements and we must put our brains on the shelf and lap the politically correct crap up.
Neighbor said she had been alarmed the past few weeks, the shooter had been receiving a lot of packages and working late in his garage with others and acting strange.Neighbors of Farooq also said that 4-5 middle eastern men would come to that apartment at all hours of the night and in the past week started receiving large amounts of packages, not your normal package deliveries, but A LOT of them which seemed odd
Tomorrow's New York Daily News goes full-on atheist in its myopic gun-control crusade:
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CAIR's trying to get out ahead of an inevitable backlash.
I don't think it will work.
Hope it doesn't. 'Course they'll have the full weight of the White House and the DNC behind them.
Neighbors of Farooq also said that 4-5 middle eastern men would come to that apartment at all hours of the night and in the past week started receiving large amounts of packages, not your normal package deliveries, but A LOT of them which seemed odd
What's the White House going to say? This is obviously terrorism and two Muslims were behind it.
Which makes one wonder if there are still more out there with more plans. What they were carrying and even the dummy pipe bombs don't constitute an alarming amount of deliveries or need to spend a lot of time in a garage. A few trips to Bass Pro Shops for some firearms and civilian tac gear, to the nearest plumbing supply store for pipe fittings. Even if they wanted to make a few pipe bombs live, they don't need the amount of shipments and time it seems the neighbor is implying (an Acetone peroxide bomb for example, can be made with a couple of ingredients one finds at any drug store and wouldn't draw suspicion buying).
Neighbor was a good liberal. She was alarmed by the shipments and activity but didn't want to report it because they were middle eastern and she didn't want to come across as bigoted against them.
Fox just about to show footage inside the center during the shooting.
What do you think? They are going to play it down, try the "don't look at the man behind the curtain" tactic and blame it on the NRA and the lack of gun control - look at the cover of the Daily News that just got posted and you'll see part of their playbook - and they'll play up the workplace violence issue and somehow fit in that the guy was mentally unstable.
Won't work...too close to Paris, no time for people to forget. You may actually hear "hawk" talk from them, backed up by nothing.
But we're dealing with liberals who are particularly disconnected from reality and who have a very long track record of doing precisely this sort of thing.
I'm not saying it's going to work this time, but I'm still pretty sure that's what we're going to hear from them.
It would be amazing tone-deafness on their part and it might put them in a big hole...but I sure can't say you are wrong.
God but I hate that paper. It's as yellow a rag as the NYT is.
God bless you, flowers. You did a fantastic job!
What's the White House going to say? This is obviously terrorism and two Muslims were behind it.Man O Man, they had those two guys on a CAIR press conference in Anaheim, in record time.
If Pearl Harbor happened today, it would take us six months to figure out that it was the Japanese...and we'd still be quick to say that the whole country didn't do it and really it's the fault of racist white people. /rant
What's the White House going to say? This is obviously terrorism and two Muslims were behind it.
Neighbor said she had been alarmed the past few weeks, the shooter had been receiving a lot of packages and working late in his garage with others and acting strange.
I thought it was obviously "workplace violence" with IEDs, pipe bombs, and targeted victims behind it? Terrorists don't attack during the day!!
You're a joke at this point. If that bans me, so be it. I consider you my enemy in terms of saving this country. Your hysteria over Trump's words (I'm a Cruz supporter if it matters) versus you never calling out Obama nor Hillary makes me wonder about your intentions for posting here.
You're a joke at this point. If that bans me, so be it. I consider you my enemy in terms of saving this country. Your hysteria over Trump's words (I'm a Cruz supporter if it matters) versus you never calling out Obama nor Hillary makes me wonder about your intentions for posting here.
The Daily News is desperately trying to help Hillary...who had a VERY bad day today.
They're also bleeding readership. If this trend continues it won't be long before that paper is defunct.
I am asking you to please stop this, Carling. Please.
Why should he stop this? I'm totally enjoying it. The poster addressed by Carling has been trash talking members for weeks, if not months. He has it coming if you ask me. Maybe this will shock him into simply addressing his own position, rather than insulting other members for their positions.
This is an open forum. People can see for themselves who's being a jerk and who's not being a jerk.
Nothing so different than a postal worker back in the 70s and 80s, "going postal".
Syed Farood went postal.
That said, should it be divulged that they screamed Allahu Akbar, like Major Nasan during his crimes....I'll reconsider my position.
Oh, dear God, you really are buying into that Leftist narrative, without any examination of the evidence. :thud:
It is quite possible that he let his emotions of the moment choose his target for him, and an argument may have done that - but it is quite evident that they were planning some terrorist assault. The body armor, the IEDs, AR-15s or AKs, lots of extra magazines, and a willing accomplice. Can you name another "work place violence" act where the guy who lost it had a willing accomplice willing to die?
Oh, dear God, you really are buying into that Leftist narrative, without any examination of the evidence. :thud:
It is quite possible that he let his emotions of the moment choose his target for him, and an argument may have done that - but it is quite evident that they were planning some terrorist assault. The body armor, the IEDs, AR-15s or AKs, lots of extra magazines, and a willing accomplice. Can you name another "work place violence" act where the guy who lost it had a willing accomplice willing to die?
You are right. But, in the bigger picture, we're arguing minutia.
San Bernardino was clearly a despicable, cowardly terrorist act. It's no secret to most thinking Americans, we are at war. So what difference does it make what the motivation was for this particular jihadist?
It also matters is that it is a reminder the bigger war has been brought to our soil. If it is dismissed as a disgruntled worker, they can gloss over what's really going on in the world and people go back to eating their chicken nuggets and watching Dances With Honey Boo Boo in a Shark Tank
...disgruntled Islamic worker, with ties to Middle East terrorists.
With Paris fresh in our minds, Americans won't be so easily misdirected this time.
You are right. But, in the bigger picture, we're arguing minutia.
San Bernardino was clearly a despicable, cowardly terrorist act. It's no secret to most thinking Americans, we are at war. So what difference does it make what the motivation was for this particular jihadist?
If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons. We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.
WORD..on both your posts...
Obama added that there were "steps we can take, not to eliminate every one of these mass shootings, but to improve the odds that they don’t happen as frequently,” he said. “We should come together in a bipartisan basis at every level of government to make these rare as opposed to normal.”Of course, those steps won't include looking at Muslims in this country.
If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons. We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.
If the entire world is not laughing at us as the stupidest people to ever walk the earth, I will be shocked. ISIS must be rolling off their prayer rugs laughing. They put out the call, a follower answers that call a couple of weeks later, and we call it workplace violence and want to take away our own people's weapons. We are a laughingstock. And we are too stupid to survive, give the entire nation a Darwin Award.
We were once a great people...cue commercial: Crying American Indian.
To contradict some of the points here (the article jumps back and forth between the initial comment and the commentary on it so I'm going to contradict both):
AK-47s are not difficult to get a hold of, even in California. they are actually easier to acquire than AR platform guns because they are cheaper. You can even get parts kids and build one up easily.
5.56 is primarily used by law enforcement but it is also just as (if not more) common among civilians. All my AR platform guns are rated for 5.56 as are most higher quality ARs. The 5.56 is almost identical to the .223 and a 5.56 rated AR will shoot .223 (but one rated .223 only will not shoot 5.56 due to an ever slight difference in the casing). This doesn't imply anything really, both can be picked up off the shelf at any Academy or Bass Pro Shop (albeit they may have needed to travel to Nevada or Arizona).
Nothing ascribes to motives what type of platform they used, AR, AK or other variant, only accessibility.
Nothing says only one type of gun was used in the act, different shooters could have different guns.
Basically it seems this article and the back and forth commentators are trying to read too much into the minutia. Not seeing the forest by worrying about the blades of grass.
http://nypost.com/2015/12/03/muslim-newlyweds-slaughter-coworkers-who-threw-them-a-baby-shower/
Muslim newlyweds slaughter co-workers who threw them a baby shower
The AK-74 uses a smaller (21.4 caliber), lighter round that has a very flat trajectory and produces low recoil from the weapon, allowing for more accurate shot placement. Although the round is far smaller than the AK-47's heavy 7.62 (30mm) standard, it does have a rather nasty feature that Afghans discovered while fighting the Russian army: the 5.45 tends to collapse on its hollow core, mushrooming outward, yawing and flattening upon impact with tissue and bone, causing terrible wound channels.
So, although its diameter is technically smaller than that of a .22LR (which causes far less severe wounds, in most cases), the AK-74 round can be pretty lethal, as we've seen, sadly. A firearms dealer once told me that it was among the best "zombie killers" he could think of, in spite of its size.
Not sure yet if it was AKs or ARs - but I would bet the magazines used were NOT LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA, being more than 10 rounds. Shows you how more restrictive gun laws solve nothing.
Not sure yet if it was AKs or ARs - but I would bet the magazines used were NOT LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA, being more than 10 rounds. Shows you how more restrictive gun laws solve nothing.
I DON'T KNOW! (Three words that are most difficult for some people)
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.
Listening to Obama mumbling his message...could be work place or terrorism..... :whistle:What is he calling it? Is he saying he will act if congress doesn't on guns? No way I am listening to him
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.
Some people like to insult posters one at a time (I won't mention names).
Others like to insult entire categories of posters (again, I won't mention names).
:smokin:
I'm such a bad boy. (Sometimes I like to stir the pot.)
The only poster in this thread claimming to know the facts was sinkspur, and he then changed his tune once facts were revealed. Why don't you admonish him?
Some people like to insult posters one at a time (I won't mention names).
Others like to insult entire categories of posters (again, I won't mention names).
:smokin:
I'm such a bad boy. (Sometimes I like to stir the pot.)
In the hours after the shooting, more information emerged about Farook, who was born in the US, and Malik, whom is he thought to have met and married in Saudi Arabia two years ago.
Farook's family was originally from South Asia, while Malik was believed to be from Pakistan and had lived in Saudi Arabia before coming to the United States, said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). Farook had an older brother, he added, who had served in the US military.
Farook graduated from California State University, San Bernardino with a degree in environmental health in 2009, according to the university's commencement document.
As BuzzFeed first reported, according to Transparent California, which publishes public employee salary information, Farook earned $51,747 plus benefits, in 2013 working as an environmental health specialist.
The gunman's father, also named Syed Farook, seemed shocked when talking to the New York Daily News in the wake of the slaughter.
“I haven’t heard anything,' the elder Mr Farook said before his son’s name became public. 'He was very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back. He’s Muslim.'
In an online profile reportedly created by Farook and his parents six years ago on the dating site iMilap.com, a 'one stop source for Indian matrimonial and dating services,' the health inspector described himself as 6 feet tall and said he didn't drink or smoke, according toABC News.
Farook wrote that he was part of a 'religios [sic] but modern family of 4 - 2 girls, 2 boys,' and that he enjoyed 'doing target practice with younger sister and friends' in their backyard.
He added that he enjoyed working on vintage and modern cars, and read religious books while enjoying eating out sometimes.
He was also registered on Dubaimatrimonial.com, a dating site that is the 'first and only legal marriage service provider in UAE' (United Arab Emirates), according to the website description. In that profile, Farook described himself as being from Karachi, Pakistan, but was born in Chicago and was residing in Los Angles as an American citizen. His religion was shown as Islam.
He also shared his thoughts on living a balanced life as a Muslim-American: 'I try to live as a good Muslim. Looking for a girl who has the same outlook, wear hijab, but live the life to the fullest.'
Public records suggest possible turbulence in Farook's younger life.
In 2006, Rafia Farook, who records indicate is Farook's mother, filed in a Riverside court for divorce from her husband, the elder Mr Farook.
She enumerated multiple instances of domestic abuse in the legal filing, and said her husband 'threatens to kill himself on a daily basis.' During one incident, she said in a court filing, her son came between them 'to save me.'
Interesting. If you find other posters to be of such low quality, (obviously you see yourself as informed and brilliant), why lower yourself to the depths of posting here?That is a very big stretch to twist what I said, into what you said.
Any word on the type of explosives they had?I see it may have been black power for some of them.
That is a very big stretch to twist what I said, into what you said.
If you want to pick a personal fight with me, you'll need to do much better than that.
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.
Terrorist Clue? – San Bernadino Shooter Weapons Identified – AK-74…that is what I want to know........the handguns S&W the AK a brand called Llama I think the DM said. I want to know where they bought those? They said the handguns bought legally nothing about the AK.
Posted on December 2, 2015 by sundance
Rev Bacon picks up on a very interesting detail. THEY WERE NOT USING AR PLATFORM WEAPONS. Note media sells AR “style” – they’re manipulating the narrative – here’s why:
Thanks to a Daily Mail Article (HERE) we find a close up picture of a spent shell casing from the San Bernadino attackers:
ak47 2
(Pic Link) Fortunately this appears to be a specific kind of 5.45 x 39mm shell known to be fired by an AK-74, not the older AK-47. Lots of Americans have AK-47’s, but very few have the newer, more accurate AK-74.
First, the evidence:
shell casing
The shell casing on the far right is the casing identified in the Daily Mail picture. You can see it matches an AK-74 5.45 x 39mm shell casing (3rd from left).
While the perspective differences prevent an exact match without better equipment, it’s clear the round looks more like the one on the right than the other two.
The spent casing is clearly not an AK-47 as was reported, but it’s easy to mistake the two, especially from afar by a non-expert. They each use the same classic Kalashnikov 30-round magazine with the big curve.
ak47
(Image and comparative link) *NOTE* Both are illegal in the state of CA.
From Rev Bacon (via email) So Why Do We Care ?
It’s already pretty hard to get one’s hands on one of these things. If Obama keeps beating the “too easy to get weapons” drum, he’s an idiot. Chances are, these came from overseas, illegally, and were imported by the terrorists.
It pretty much shows that the terrorists were foreign. There are better guns- more accurate, more easy to get ammo, and easier to get in the US- than this one.
The [San Bernadino attackers] must have trained on these, so even if they did get them here (not impossible), they did so because of their training abroad. (For example, the AR-10 is more accurate, has a longer range, and is about the same price).
So the point is, we know they were firing AK-74’s. We know AK-74’s fire specific 5.45 x 39mm shells, and they had to have some familiarity with AK-74 training.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/12/02/terrorist-clue-san-bernadino-shooter-weapons-identified-ak-74-assault-rifles/
Back off. I never claimed to have definitive knowledge. I was positing a theory just like others.
What is the matter with you?
Geeez..what has gotten into people around here....and yes I am
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Geeez..what has gotten into people around here....and yes I am
Warning: The following contains politically incorrect comments and logic...two things a large portion of our society are afraid of. I've been trying to take a break from ranting, but I can'tI love it when he gets peeved.
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Soooooo, I am not "shocked" at the San Bernardino shooting like everyone else. I am not "shocked" that gun violence continues to happen in places with the strictest gun laws. I am not "shocked" that the killers were Muslim. I am not "shocked" that our media, politicians, and Liberals are blaming the gun instead of the individual or the ideology of the individual. I am not "shocked" that the media is attacking those who prayed for the victims and their families, nor am I "shocked" that they also mocked God saying He can't fix this. Let me explain further....
1. In America, the places with the strictest gun control are also the places with the most gun violence. States like California, Illinois, Maryland, and New York lead the way in gun violence and in direct correlation....Gun control. Cities like Chicago, Washington DC, Detroit, Baltimore, and Memphis are Liberal Meccas (ironic use of the term Mecca as well) with the same correlation between gun control and gun violence. Nowhere in the history of man has gun control, government control, or any other "progressive" policy lead to safety or freedom....usually quite the opposite.
2. Have you ever researched Sharia Law? Have you ever researched how many Muslim Nations follow it or how many Muslims support it? Have you ever asked a Muslim about why they can follow a religion that calls for the murder of non-believers, jihad, and numerous other acts of violence? (Before you go trying to misquote the Bible, nowhere does it say for future generations to kill anyone, and the Old Testament laws only refer to those living within the Jewish community.....read Acts please)
Islam is not a religion of Peace. Mohamed was a warlord. Islam has been violently expanding its presence since its inception. The beloved Liberal response is always the Crusades....which were in response from hundreds of years of Muslim attacks from Jerusalem to Spain.
Ohhhhhh.....and to the Liberals who attack Christians for "judging" others....go say you're openly gay in the Middle East where they will kill you instead of judge you. Go be a feminist in the Middle East and see if they "oppress" you less than Christians. See what you think about multiple wives, genital mutilation, and all their other wonderful laws and traditions.....then come back and complain to a Christian about their "judging".
3. Why would God want to help us as a Nation? Since 1947, we've allowed a non-law making body to become a super-legislative branch of the government. We've allowed that same non-elected, super-legislative body to remove God from the schools, from government, and from society. We've allowed our media to bash Christians and put negative stigmas on them such as judgmental, racist, bigots, sexists, phobic of everything, etc.. We've become the silent, apathetic majority. We've become scared to speak the truth. We've denied God by not fighting for the Nation and freedoms He gave us. So.....why would He help the United States? He even turned His back on His chosen people when they betrayed Him....so how could we possibly expect to be treated any better? Just like any good father, God must punish His children when they misbehave, become prideful, become lovers of themselves, and go against His rules.
The media, government, and Liberals want God out so they can become gods....and the results will be more violence, more control, less freedom, less prosperity, and all around more evil. If you are a Christian, do not blindly or apathetically hand our Nation over into darkness.
Thank you for your time, Merry Christmas, and God bless.
Come on ac...stop stirring the pot
That clearly disqualifies you from participating in conservative forums and discussions, where everybody is presumed to be fully informed, brilliant, and to have all of the answers, even before law enforcement has them.
BullbleepLOL.............he still hasn't answered that one yet? Sinkspur to the white courtesy phone please. Come on sink answer that.
You weren't posting a "theory." Read your posts in this thread again. Perhaps you have some sort of condition where you post one thing, but think you're communicating something different?
Anyhow, I've wasted enough time on you in this thread. Go to the Politics forum and answer a question I've posed to you multiple times about tax credits.
Just a guess on my part, but the daily onslaught is getting to us. My neighbor, a very moderate, and if anything slightly left of center guy who I completely respect said to me the other day: "I've never seen this country so 'effed up".Spot on!
The left is relentless. Obama is a disaster. The media is corrupt. Our populace is uninterested and uninformed. I think most of us believe we're watching this country come apart, and we're filled with angst.
This is where we vent, and "fight" amongst ourselves.
The left is relentless. Obama is a disaster. The media is corrupt. Our populace is uninterested and uninformed. I think most of us believe we're watching this country come apart, and we're filled with angst.True. But let's still try to rise above it. We have to hang together, folks.
This is where we vent, and "fight" amongst ourselves.
San Bernardino shooters Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik have been married for about two years, according to relatives. Farook recently returned from a trip to the Middle East and reportedly spent about one month in Saudi Arabia. The Redlands home shared by Malik and Syed Rizwan Farook has been deemed an “IED factory” or “IED facility” by some law enforcement sources.
Syed Farook, 28, has been described as a devout Muslim who began growing a beard over the course of the last year. The couple had a 6-month-old daughter, WYFF 4 News reports.
Before going to the Christmas party at the Inland Regional Center, a gun-free zone, Farook and Malik took their baby girl to the home of the county employee’s mother. If emerging news reports are accurate, Syed and Tashfeen lied to his mother and said that they had to go to a doctor’s appointment that day and needed her to babysit. The grandmother reportedly became concerned after seeing news reports about the San Bernardino shooting on television and was unable to reach Farook.
Attackers in SB mass shooting ID’d as Syed Farook, 28, seen here, and Tashfeen Malik, 27 https://t.co/lVEQvoxZjd pic.twitter.com/EpF9zWBJ3u
— NBC Los Angeles (@NBCLA) December 3, 2015
Tashfeen Malik, 27, was a pharmacist and met Farook on an international dating website. Little is currently known about the woman Syed suddenly announced was his wife after returning from a trip to Saudi Arabia, Fox News reports. No photos of the female San Bernardino shooter have yet been found on social media or released to the public by the FBI or the joint terrorism task force now heavily involved in the mass shooting investigation.
SYED FAROOK is ID’d as “suspect” in #SanBernadinoShooting pic.twitter.com/eB5AojHw9U
— Rebecca Diserio (@rebeccadiserio) December 3, 2015
Syed Rizwan Farook appears to have worked as an environmental inspector for the California county for five years. In 2003, Farook reportedly earned a $53,000 taxpayer-funded salary. He graduated from California State University San Bernardino with an environmental health degree in 2009.
Neighbors of Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook told the media that in recent weeks there was a flurry of activity at their home. According to the witnesses, a multitude of Middle Eastern individuals had been seen coming and going at all hours, and a vast amount of packages had been delivered to the home. At least one neighbor said fear of being labeled a racist or Islamophobic prevented a phone call to the police to report the unusual activity.
#SyedFarook identified as possible suspect #SanBernadinoShooting pic.twitter.com/G3zWrPsbbK
— dog_star_ (@dog_star_) December 3, 2015
Pipe bombs found after the shooting did reportedly contain explosives, indicating to the FBI and the joint terrorism task force that Farook and Malik were not done with their killing spree. An RC car controller is believed to have been converted for use as a pipe bomb ignition switch. Either the bombs failed or the shooters were too far out of range to activate.
Live video of press conference by #SanBernadino police. https://t.co/B0O6dgTUBq
— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) December 2, 2015
“They came prepared to do what they did, as if they were on a mission,” San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said.
Inside the black SUV, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik had “rollout bags” containing more bombs and additional ammunition. Each of the San Bernardino shooters wore a GoPro camera during the shooting. Whether or not any footage from the camera was sent to another individual or sleeper cell member for future publication remains unknown.
If 1 muslim is pissed off about work how in the hell does he so easily get 2 more to help him kill people? #CAIRlies https://t.co/o1CD7W9xSQ
— Bic Yea (@BicYea50) December 3, 2015
The gunman is said to have left the Christmas party at the Inland Regional Center abruptly. Some witnesses said that he had some type of dispute with another person at the gathering, others say they did not realize he was gone until it was time for a group photo and he was nowhere around.
Farook has no record of criminal activity, he purchased the handgun used in the crime legally, and the AR-15 semi-automatic rifles used in the San Bernardino shooting were also purchased legally by an unidentified person. There is no indication that Syed’s job was in any type of jeopardy or that an ongoing problem existed with his employer. The shooter was described as a quiet and polite man who kept to himself at work.
Do you think Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik were part of a sleeper cell or committing an ISIS terror attack?
True. But let's still try to rise above it. We have to hang together, folks.
Rudy Giuliani: If You Can’t See This Was an Act of Terror “You’re a Moron” (VIDEO)More at link (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12/rudy-giuliani-if-you-cant-see-this-was-an-act-of-terror-youre-a-moron-video/)
Jim Hoft Dec 3rd, 2015 9:21 am
Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12/rudy-giuliani-if-you-cant-see-this-was-an-act-of-terror-youre-a-moron-video/)
Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani went on America’s Newsroom this morning to discuss the San Bernardino terrorist attacks. Giuliani went on FOX News after Attorney General Loretta Lynch spoke to reporters about the San Bernardino massacre.Quote“You can come to one clear conclusion with the information they have right now. This is an act of terror. The question was motivation… The question here is not, is it an act of terror. We’re beyond that. When you got two assault weapons, two handguns, you’re in body armor, you got a home that’s boobytrapped. You’ve been practicing to do this… If you can’t come to a conclusion at this point that this was an act of terror, you should find something else to do for a living besides law enforcement. I mean, you’re a moron.”...
San Bernardino, California (CNN)Syed Rizwan Farook -- one-half of the couple behind the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.
Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting, with his wife Tashfeen Malik, of 14 people on Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.
Still, it wasn't necessarily the only driver behind the carnage as workplace grievances may have also played a role. President Barack Obama hinted as much Thursday when he said that the attackers may have had "mixed motives."
Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia for several weeks in 2013 on the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Muslims are required to take at least once in their lifetime, which didn't raise red flags, said two government officials. It was during this trip that he met Malik, a native of Pakistan who came to the United States on a "fiancée visa" and later became a lawful permanent resident.
Officials had previously said that neither Farook and Malik were known to the FBI or on a list of potentially radicalized people. Nor had they had any known interactions with police until Wednesday's deadly shootout that culminated in their deaths.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6d4ecfdc30894249bc417bfa998889da/latest-guns-used-california-shooting-bought-legally
The Latest: Obama orders flags at half-staff after shooting
News brief just ended. 12 pipe bombs in the couples homes. They had thousands of rounds of ammo in the car. It is possible they were headed out for another attack when they were intercepted and killedMaybe the wife had her own workplace at which she wanted to commit some violence. :thud:
News brief just ended. 12 pipe bombs in the couples homes. They had thousands of rounds of ammo in the car. It is possible they were headed out for another attack when they were intercepted and killedYeah bammy.....we don't know if it was a terrorist attack. :smokin:
Two of the guns recovered were bought by one of the suspects killed in the shootout, and the other two were bought by a third person who is not considered a suspect, said a senior federal law enforcement official, who was spoke on the condition of anonymity. “We believe all four were purchased legally, but are still taking a close look at the two firearms bought by the” person who is not a suspect, the official said.
The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed that it had traced all four guns, and that two were purchased legally by someone linked to the investigation. But neither the senior official nor the bureau would identify either buyer by name, nor say which two weapons were bought by a suspect, or where they were bought.
Yeah bammy.....we don't know if it was a terrorist attack. :smokin:
Maybe the wife had her own workplace at which she wanted to commit some violence. :thud:
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-California-Shootings/2015/12/03/id/704356/Of course this was a ISis attack.
CNN Sources: California Gunman Was Radicalized, Contacted Terror Suspects
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....Farook described himself as being from Karachi, Pakistan, but was born in Chicago and was residing in Los Angles as an American citizen....
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-03/san-bernardino-police-briefing-mass-shooting-live-feed
excerpt:
CNN also says investigators are analyzing an apparent "bomb lab" at Farook's residence. Authorities have reportedly discovered "hundreds" of tools that could be used to make IEDs.
As reported earlier, the couple used a DPMS model and a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 along with two handguns - a llama and a Smith & Wesson - in the attack. The rifles, two .223s, are capable of piercing bulletproof vests. The weapons were purchased legally.
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/11/M%26P_0.png)
Farook and Malik also placed a "device" consisting of three connected pipe bombs at the scene. Apparently, the remote detonator failed. 65-75 rounds were fired in the initial attack. 76 additional shots were fired at officers.
Found in the suspects' home:
2,500 .223 rounds
2,000 9mm rounds
12 pipe bombs
Found in the black SUV:
1,400 .223 rounds
200 9mm rounds
The trove of weapons police discovered indicated that the pair were "armed for a second attack."
Wait a minute.....what if those two other guns are linked to Fast n Furious?
Pretty interesting wording.
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/03/radicalized-sources-tell-cnn-that-farook-was-in-touch-with-more-than-one-international-terror-suspect/If I remember correctly yesterday from the scanner feed they were asking about a friend of his and said authorities where inquiring about a person last week.
“Radicalized”: Sources tell CNN that Farook was in touch with more than one international terror suspect
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-03/san-bernardino-police-briefing-mass-shooting-live-feed
excerpt:
CNN also says investigators are analyzing an apparent "bomb lab" at Farook's residence. Authorities have reportedly discovered "hundreds" of tools that could be used to make IEDs.
As reported earlier, the couple used a DPMS model and a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 along with two handguns - a llama and a Smith & Wesson - in the attack. The rifles, two .223s, are capable of piercing bulletproof vests. The weapons were purchased legally.
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/11/M%26P_0.png)
Farook and Malik also placed a "device" consisting of three connected pipe bombs at the scene. Apparently, the remote detonator failed. 65-75 rounds were fired in the initial attack. 76 additional shots were fired at officers.
Found in the suspects' home:
2,500 .223 rounds
2,000 9mm rounds
12 pipe bombs
Found in the black SUV:
1,400 .223 rounds
200 9mm rounds
The trove of weapons police discovered indicated that the pair were "armed for a second attack."
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.good theory.
The truth is not going to matter.
My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death. I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.
Can anyone here tell me how much it would cost to buy all that ammo. 6000 rounds?
About $100 for 500 rdsSo about 1200 dollars. Thanks.
About $100 for 500 rds
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.
My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death. I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.
A rough guess around $3000.00 for all the .223 and 9mm.so I can figure the AK about 2k and the hand guns 1k? so about 6k for the weapons?
The feds are going to grab on to the theory that has the best traction and best fits the political agenda.
The truth is not going to matter.
My theory is that since moving large amounts of money and having regular communications are easy to spot, isis etal have plants all over the country, working everyday mundane jobs, paying their bills and otherwise being inconspicuous, regularly reporting on targets of opportunity and waiting for the go signal..
These plants are expensive to recruit, indoctrinate, train and equip so they are trying to find targets that enable reusable assets, meaning they can go in, hit the target and get out and strike again later rather than blowing themselves up or fighting to the death. I think this was a test to figure out our ability to respond and their ability to escape.
Farook lived in a Redlands, California apartment with his mother, Malik, and their 6-month-old daughter, who was left in the grandmother's care before the attack.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/03/who-were-the-san-bernardino-shooters (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/12/03/who-were-the-san-bernardino-shooters)
So they lived at grandmas house. So the story of them dropping of the baby at her place isn't true. So where is grandma now? All those pipe bombs and everything else needed for this attack had to be seen by her.
Sooo, the family knew about and most likely supported the attack..Yep.
Enough of that - you still are. Least the Americans I have the pleasure to know. :patriot:You haven't met the civilians of my generation.
The pair seemed to be using blueprints found in many issues of Inspire, Al Qaeda's extremist online publication in the Arabian Peninsula.
The magazine in the past has outlined how to make the bomb from household goods and without using metal components. Articles have also encouraged lone-wolf attacks on the American 'super-rich' and published a 'kill list' of potential targets.
so I can figure the AK about 2k and the hand guns 1k? so about 6k for the weapons?
Depending on when and where it was purchased 6K should easily cover it. The ammo is common and there is nothing high end about the firearmsThanks.
If you leave this thread for such mundane activities as eating and sleeping, it takes a while to catch up. That said I want to thank everyone on here who has contributed to this discussion with facts, news stories, and even speculations. It has proved most informative and thought provoking.
Wait till you see the gerbil races coming up. Whoopee, we're talking fun.
AC, I don't remember seeing Mistery give Paladin permission to eat or sleep, do you?
did anyone here watch the presser? Did the police chief say they didn't have GoPro cameras?Yes.
You haven't met the civilians of my generation.Most of our fine service people risking their lives and limbs for this country, are your generation.
You haven't met the civilians of my generation.
so I can figure the AK about 2k and the hand guns 1k? so about 6k for the weapons?
It was a terrorist act that just happened to occur at the perp's workplace.
Technically. Since it was a workplace function, the workplace traveled with them to the conference room. That's what I meant.
I wish just one of those reporters would ask Earnest why Obama approved giving guns to Mexican drug cartels, yet is so vehement about making it more difficult for American citizens to get guns.
I think I finally settled on a position regarding Obama. All three apply. Choose any order, any combination (whatever makes sense to you): Obama is rigidly ideological, actively working against America and incompetent on top of all that.
Obama says it’s possible shooting was ‘workplace related’ . . . Giuliani: ‘you’re a moron’
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President Obama said it’s too early to tell whether Wednesday’s shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., was “terrorist-related,” insisting that it’s “possible” that it was workplace related violence.
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani thinks it’s possible only a “moron” would come up with such a conclusion.
“If you can’t come to a conclusion at this point that this was an act of terror … you’re a moron,” he said early Thursday in an appearance on Fox News.
Keep in mind, the Muslim couple responsible for the attack that killed up to 14 people, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik, were wearing body armor and carrying assault rifles when they opened fire at a county health department office party at the Inland Regional Center.
And were wearing GoPro cameras when they were killed.
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Just a couple simple questions. Does Obama also think gun control would deter the mafia? :whistle: How about black panthers? :whistle: How about drug cabals from Mexico? :thud:as I commented on the Daily Mail
How about drug cabals from Mexico? :thud:
While the exact motive for the massacre remains unclear
Unclear? They were terrorists, that is what terrorists do.
Radicalized US Muslim was teased by colleagues about his Islamic beard and had clashed with Jewish co-worker over religion before he and Pakistani wife killed 14 at San Bernardino holiday party
Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, were killed in a gun battle with police after a mass shooting
Police said 14 died and 21 were injured after suspects opened fire at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino
Suspects left explosive devices rigged to a remote-controlled toy car at the center before fleeing in an SUV
While the motive for the massacre remains unclear, Farook reportedly clashed with a Jewish co-worker over religion
Farook got into a heated argument with Nicholas Thalasinos, a Messianic Jew, who was named as one of the victims
But lawyers for the Farook family said he was subjected to a series of disparaging comments about his traditional Muslim appearance
David Chesley, attorney acting for Farook's family, questioned accounts of massacre and whether information released by police and FBI was accurate
He made bizarre reference to Sandy Hook massacre, suggesting it didn't take place as described
Chesley said of Malik: 'It doesn't seem plausible that this petite woman would be involved in this sort of hyper-caricatured, Bonnie and Clyde crazy scenario'
It emerged that Farook brought his wife to the US on a 90-day K-1 fiancee visa and that she passed counterterrorism screening as part of her vetting
Farook's older brother, Syed Raheel Farook, is a decorated Navy veteran honored for his role in the war on terror
Their mother Rafia, 62, was held for questioning in the wake of the mass shooting after cops pulled her over in one of her other son's SUVs and she was released without charge the next day
Police and federal agents searched a Redlands home, seizing 5,000 bullets, 12 pipe bombs and tools to make IEDs
Investigators said Farook was in touch by phone and via social media with international terrorism subjects
By Ben Ashford and Ruth Styles In San Bernardino For Dailymail.com and Khaleda Rahman and Snejana Farberov and Mia De Graaf For Dailymail.com
Published: 07:57 EST, 3 December 2015 | Updated: 06:41 EST, 4 December 2015
The family of San Bernardino gunman Syed Farook told FBI investigators that he had been teased by colleagues about his long Islamic beard hours after it emerged that he had also clashed with a Jewish co-worker over religion weeks before he and his wife killed 14 at a holiday party.
While the exact motive for the massacre remains unclear, lawyers for the Farook family said the gunman had been subject to a series of disparaging comments about his traditional Muslim appearance.
However, they added that the slain health inspector had ‘brushed off’ the remarks and they remained at a loss to explain why he mercilessly gunned down 14 people, the majority his former co-workers, on Wednesday.
Their comments came hours after it emerged that Farook had recently gotten into a heated argument with colleague Nicholas Thalasinos, a Messianic Jew, who was named as one of his victims.
Mr Thalasinos – worked alongside Farook as a county restaurant inspector and the pair are said to have regularly discussed politics and religion.
Colleague Kuuleme Stephen said she had called Thalasinos while he was at work when he was having a heated discussion with Farook.
Mr Thalasinos had identified Farook by name and told her the 28-year-old believed Islam was a peaceful religion. She added that Farook said that Americans do not understand Islam.
Mr Thalasinos was known to be passionate about pro-Israel causes and regularly ranted about Islam on Facebook.
On September 11th, 2013, alongside a photo of a shirtless victim plummeting to his death from the burning World Trade Center, Mr Thalasinos posted: 'On behalf of this guy… You can stick your Million Muslim March up your asses'.
In one of his final status updates on Tuesday, Mr Thalasinos responded to an anti-Semitic tirade allegedly penned by an apparent Muslim living in Ukraine, who railed against Jews and Israel.
‘Anyway my new hobby appears to be BLOCKING PAGAN ANTISEMITIC TROGLODYTES so I'm just passing this along to warn others,’ was Thalasinos' reply.
He was back online early on Wednesday morning sharing articles about Russian President Vladimir Putin and posting a negative comment about President Obama.
Again, it is unclear if the dispute played a part in the massacre.
David Chesley, an attorney acting for Farook's family, today questioned accounts of the shootings and whether information released by the police and FBI was accurate.
To illustrate his point, he made a bizarre reference to the Sandy Hook massacre, suggesting it didn't take place as described in the official narrative.
'There have been suggestions that it may be something that was related to their work, that somehow he was a disgruntled employee,' he said.
'But it doesn't seem plausible to us that this petite woman would be involved in this sort of hyper-caricatured, Bonnie and Clyde crazy scenario.
'There was a lot of questions drawn with Sandy Hook and whether or not that was a real incident or not.
'But I mean obviously these things were found there, how they got there we don't know.'
Asked if he doubted if the Dec 2012 Sandy Hook massacre, which claimed 26 lives, took place, Mr Chesley added: 'There has been a lot speculation about it is all I would say.
'There's a lot of people that said it happened but hasn't happened in the way that it was purported to have taken place.
'There's no question that incidents have taken place and evidence was found but we just question some of that.'
The family’s lawyers also revealed for the first time that Farook's mother Rafia, 62, was held for questioning in the wake of the mass shooting after cops pulled her over in one of her other son's SUVs.
She was released without charge the next day but the vehicle is still in the hands of law enforcement officials, they said. The Farook family, including his father Syed, 66, older brother Syed Raheel, and sisters Eba, 24, Saira, 32, and her husband Farhan Khan, 41, spent several hours talking to FBI agents on Thursday.
Speaking outside Mr Khan's house late last night, attorney Chesley insisted that Farook's relatives had no idea he was plotting a massacre or stockpiling weapons with his wife Tashfeen Malik, 27.
FBI agents discovered a huge arsenal – including nearly 5,000 rounds of ammunition, a dozen pipe bombs and hundreds of tools for making IEDs at the couple’s home.
It also emerged that Farook was in touch by phone and through social media with more than one international terrorism subject. Meanwhile, Farook's older brother, Syed Raheel Farook, was revealed a decorated Navy veteran honored for his role in the war on terror
But Mr Chesley said there was 'no smoking gun' to suggest a motive but added: 'Both the sisters and the brothers as they went through the information today, there was one silly thing that came up - that some of his co-workers at some point made remarks about his beard.
'But it so slight and no-one has ever stated that he has ever acted in a hostile or a violent way towards anyone. They were a very polite, conservative married couple.' His colleague and fellow attorney, Mohammad Abuershaid, added: 'There is no indication that he was involved with anybody physically.
'There's no indication he had a short temper. It was people just teasing him about his facial hair and how he looked. He had a long beard and a very short trimmed haircut.
'It was just basic comments but he used to brush them off pretty easily. The family is in shock just as we are. They had no idea something like this would happen.'
Both lawyers refused to comment on the dead couple's child other to say she was safe and being cared for. They said the family last saw Farook on Sunday for a family meal.
The coupled lived in a rented apartment in Redlands, a 15-minute drive from San Bernardino, with their mother Rafia, who was held by police after a 3pm traffic stop on the day of the shootings. She was released in the early hours and the family lawyers refuted suggestions that Rafia was facing pending charges.
‘She was picked up in a traffic stop, I believe, and taken into custody,’ said Mr Chesley. ‘She was driving at the time Raheel’s truck. That truck is still in custody .
‘They brought her in for questioning and basically held her into the night and said we are not going to let her go unless the rest of the family comes in for questioning.’
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You can begin to see the outlines of the "workplace violence"/went postal lies the White House and the MSM are going to start constructing as the "narrative" for what happened.
Wondering just why not one of the wounded...or their respective family hasn't been heard from.I noticed they haven't interviewed many bystanders? Or have they?
Why aren't the networks/media tripping over themselves to interview them?
Did they pay-off the wounded in exchange for their promised silence on what transpired?
I noticed they haven't interviewed many bystanders? Or have they?Look at the 2 pictures on the left from Sandy Hook. One shows the line of kids being 'evacuated' from the school... we all know that one. It's a media fave. Now look at the one next to it from behind a line of parents... Can you say staged?
Look at the 2 pictures on the left from Sandy Hook. One shows the line of kids being 'evacuated' from the school... we all know that one. It's a media fave. Now look at the one next to it from behind a line of parents... Can you say staged?Where are the alleged dead kids now and their families?
You really have no idea what the truth is these days... absolutely everything on the msm is managed...
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Where are the alleged dead kids now and their families?
I guess you'll have to download the book and read it. It's free...:laugh:
:laugh:
Nobody Died at Sandy Hook (http://www.rense.com/general96/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook.pdf) is linked at Rense. It takes a while to download since it is > 400 pages plus the first 2 pages in the pdf are blank so you have to go down to pg 3.I won' t be downloading any time soon my computer old and not much bandwidth.
(Reuters) - A Facebook profile established under an alias by Tashfeen Malik, one of the suspects in the California shooting, was removed by the company for violating its community standards, which prohibit praise or promotion of “acts of terror,” a spokesman said Friday.
Content celebrating leaders of the Islamic State would be removed under the company’s standards, said a Facebook Inc spokesman, who asked not to be named.
He did not directly say the Islamic State comments were what triggered the removal on Thursday. He added that Facebook is cooperating with law enforcement on the matter.
Law enforcement sources have said that material on the Facebook page included praise of the Islamic State.
It was unclear how Facebook discovered the account and how the company linked it to Malik.
That further makes it sound ISIS related.No....not on Cnn. just one instance of terror. They had nothing to do with Isis or AQ as a group. :thud:
No....not on Cnn. just one instance of terror. They had nothing to do with Isis or AQ as a group. :thud:
Erin Burnett on CNN said it may be due to postpartum depression (not kidding). Obviously if the republicans didn't go after Planned Parenthood, she could have had an abortion and not carried it to term so she wouldn't be depressed and they would still be a happy, well adjusted Southern California family. Therefore, Republican's war on PP and women caused it.
Tasheen was a typical housewife and mother
No photos of her...because all they have are ones of her wearing the hajib/veil.
And folks....a picture like that is not going to help the Democrats.
Patrick Henrys Ghost @Pissed_Pat 42s42 seconds ago
Farook lawyer: "Tashfeen is easy to stigmatize b/c there is no picture of her." That. And her stack of victims. But, mostly the photo thing.
@jaketapper ROFL Now mendacious Farook family lawyers saying Syed was made fun of bc of beard. Well, there's a reason to slaughter 14 ppl.
FOX Business Verified account
@FoxBusiness
Farook Family Attorney: "Just because he had a religion... it had nothing to do with these acts."
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Andrea Tantaros @AndreaTantaros
Why was the suspect's brother at a CAIR press conference following the attacks?
We are in a war and our commander in chief is on our enemy's side.
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ABC News @ABC 2m2 minutes ago
"It's not at all uncommon to own 4000 rounds" of ammo, Farook family attorney says.
We are in a war and our commander in chief is on our enemy's side.
We're living in a novel, without a clue as to how it ends.
I'm 100% convinced of it at this point.
Pulled out of Iraq to allow ISIS an area to control oil which equals funding.
Armed ISIS and other "rebel" groups to fight Assad.
Willing to allow tens of thousand of "refugees" that can't possibly be vetted.
Can't say the words "radical Islam."
I hate to see what he'd do if he weren't such a defender of America against terrorists! :pondering:
Don't forget this all started when he tried to foist the Muslim Brotherhood on Egypt and then turned to his little dalliance in Libya.
I'm 100% convinced of it at this point.
Pulled out of Iraq to allow ISIS an area to control oil which equals funding.
Armed ISIS and other "rebel" groups to fight Assad.
Willing to allow tens of thousand of "refugees" that can't possibly be vetted.
Can't say the words "radical Islam."
I hate to see what he'd do if he weren't such a defender of America against terrorists! :pondering:
Welcome aboard!
I've been convinced for a very long time now!
I'm 100% convinced of it at this point.
Pulled out of Iraq to allow ISIS an area to control oil which equals funding.
Armed ISIS and other "rebel" groups to fight Assad.
Willing to allow tens of thousand of "refugees" that can't possibly be vetted.
Can't say the words "radical Islam."
I hate to see what he'd do if he weren't such a defender of America against terrorists! :pondering:
She only weighed 90lbs and wouldn't be able to hold up a gun...per lawyers
Andrea Tantaros @AndreaTantaros 51s52 seconds ago
American lawyers defending terrorists is sickening. Radical Islam uses our system & rights to undermine us & liberals & media take the bait.
She only weighed 90lbs and wouldn't be able to hold up a gun...per lawyers
Can you please translate the arabic? Thanks.
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that. Everyone is entitled to a lawyer, period. And why should having a lawyer make anything any better? The truth is the truth, and that doesn't change just because one has a lawyer.
Why does a dead terrorist need an Islamist lawyer defending a dead ID'd suspect who literally was shooting at the police after she murdered innocent people at a meeting.
Why does a dead person who literally murdered innocent people need a lawyer, Oceander?
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that. Everyone is entitled to a lawyer, period. And why should having a lawyer make anything any better? The truth is the truth, and that doesn't change just because one has a lawyer.
Personally, I preferred the Bush policy of treating terrorists as enemy combatants. Now those terrorists have come to our country in great numbers. I would like to see that policy of treating these people as enemy combatants restored. This show of families of terrorists lawyering up for propaganda press conferences is destructive, and as more of it happens we are going to see more and more of it. It will do two things: demoralize a nation at war and drive a wedge between people of different beliefs and philosophies in this country, which will hurt the war effort. Congress should declare war on ISIS, al-Qaeda and all of their off-shoots. And we should treat family members of terrorists as potential enemy combatants until they can be cleared by military intelligence. Once cleared, they can then avail themselves of whatever legal counsel they might wish.
Uh, the Sayeed family are all American citizens. There's that pesky Constitution again.
Who knows? Why shouldn't the family have one if they want to spend the money? Does it make any difference?
Uh, the Sayeed family are all American citizens. There's that pesky Constitution again.
American citizens have been enemy combatants before in our history - tens of thousands of them in fact, beginning in 1860. Extreme times call for strong measures. The Constitution is NOT a suicide pact.
Uh, the burqa-wearing wife was here on a green card and wasn't an Anerican citizen.
Now you're deliberately lying in order to protect these terrorists.
Uh, the burqa-wearing wife was here on a green card and wasn't an Anerican citizen.
Now you're deliberately lying in order to protect these terrorists.
You think the family are the people paying for two lawyers to defend two dead terrorists? That's cute.
Uh, read the thread. We are talking about Farouk Sayeed's family, all of whom are American citizens. The burqa wearing wife is dead, so she doesn't need representation anyway.
What sink said is irrelevant anyway, American citizens have been enemy combatants before in our history...and will be again. His position here is simply non-sensical.
No. These guys are representing the family and are likely working pro bono.
Sayeed is dead, too, and the attorneys were defending him along with his Arab wife in their press conference.
Did you watch it?
Talk about irrelevant. You bring up a 150 year old example to bolster your point. Why not insist we use Letters of Marque and Reprisal to pursue terrorists?
Uh, the Sayeed family are all American citizens. There's that pesky Constitution again.
Jose' Padilla was 150 years ago? Huh, I learn something new from sinkspur every day. :silly:
Yes. So?
Maybe Sayeed's family should read the part of the Constitution where it talks about treason...I believe terrorism on your own country applies.
Where is the evidence that the family is guilty of treason? That's a real stretch, Myst.
Talk about irrelevant. You bring up a 150 year old example to bolster your point. Why not insist we use Letters of Marque and Reprisal to pursue terrorists?
Padilla had a lawyer from day one. Every American citizen is entitled to legal representation.
I am talking about Sayeed and maybe his mother....no evidence on the rest of the family....yet
Any evidence against the mother is now worthless since the entire crime scene was compromised and contaminated.
sinkspur defended that obvious case of criminal trespass as well.
I am talking about Sayeed and maybe his mother....no evidence on the rest of the family....yet
Where is the evidence that the family is guilty of treason? That's a real stretch, Myst.
True...but the FBI questioned her for 7hrs and are not through...maybe she will slip up....but now they have lawyer'ed up
If we deem the families as enemy combatants we can hold them until the evidence can be analyzed. I suggest we should do that but do it properly, with a declaration of war.
Even more egregious that the house she lived in wasn't sealed and everything in it taken into evidence. You have posters here defending this baffling decision by the FBI. Why are they defending it?
I think they are defending it because they trust Comey.
Comey is a good man but I am always suspicious of anyone who works for this admin..especially a Repub.
That's irrelevant to Padilla being an enemy combatant. Stay on the topic terrorist defender.
You said the wife is dead and doesn't need an attorney. If so, why were the two "pro bono" (LOL at that one) attorneys defending both her and her dead husband?
The fact that they spent so little time in that house once again tells us that the regime cares not about terror attacks here.
The Islamic State group on Saturday said that a married couple who murdered 14 people in California in an attack the FBI is investigating as an “act of terrorism” were followers of the terrorist organization.
The extremist group made its claim in an online radio broadcast, Reuters reported. The declaration comes three days after Syed Farook, 28, and his wife Tashfeen Malik, 29, carried out a mass shooting on a holiday party for civil servants in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14.
What happened to the third alleged shooter?
What happened to the third alleged shooter?Haven't heard.
What happened to the third alleged shooter?
So early reports of someone taken into custody - on the run while the married couple were shooting it out with cops - were wrong?No, I heard the police chief say they had someone in custody that was running from the scene.
So early reports of someone taken into custody - on the run while the married couple were shooting it out with cops - were wrong?That is my understanding. However I saw a post on Facebook of an individual claiming he had friend/friends on San Bernardino area law enforcement, that they were searching for other known associates, of the dead couple.
So early reports of someone taken into custody - on the run while the married couple were shooting it out with cops - were wrong?
He was released when it was determined he had nothing to do with the shooting.
My guess is that while various laypersons with no training or experience in LE, ramble on endlessly on sites like this, the skilled people are out there trying to do their jobs.
Thanks. I'd been too busy to track down any info.
He was released when it was determined he had nothing to do with the shooting.
Now I know the real reason that appt was open to media. Cnn asked a reporter who was in appt this question. Did anything in that place look like they were terrorist? No was the answer, toys just like anyone else s apt. Did the powers that be plant things in that place to make it look more American?
How strange is it in America today...that we can think such a thing about our government and you sit back and realize that with this corrupt bunch it is a very reasonable supposition.We know it was a 2 story apt. In photos only saw one bathroom, kitchen, living room any of garage? The couples bed room? edit to add....remember the authorities said it was EID factory, no sign of anything close to that in those photos was there?
We know it was a 2 story apt. In photos only saw one bathroom, kitchen, living room any of garage? The couples bed room? edit to add....remember the authorities said it was EID factory, no sign of anything close to that in those photos was there?
The question still is "why". The only good answer is that this is indeed a cell and they are attempting to apprehend the rest of it. All the other answers point to treason on the part of the highest officials in the government.
They are terrorists and that is what terrorists do.... there is no why...
No, that's not the "why" I am writing of...it is the cover up of actions related to opening the house, or part of it, to the media.
The question still is "why". The only good answer is that this is indeed a cell and they are attempting to apprehend the rest of it. All the other answers point to treason on the part of the highest officials in the government.
Wouldn't it be easier to scour everything in that home for prints and any other DNA evidence of other cell members?
I've yet to hear a good reason why that hadn't been done before the "investigation" was over.
Facebook scrubbed my sharing of that video, too.
I don't know - I can hope for the best, that they have some very hot leads and they are pursuing those with vigor, while throwing out all sort of disinformation out to lower the guard of the fugitives...or I can see an effort to disrupt the investigation to assist those the administration favors while keeping the focus on "peaceful, law abiding muslims" and promoting the idea that Americans are bigots. And waiting for everyone to be distracted by football this weekend. That would be treason...and I am at a loss trying to convince myself that Obama would not go there. And then there is Congress...which has become the most useless institution in history.
TEL AVIV – A window into the extremist mindset of San Bernardino jihadist Syed Rizwan Farook was provided by his father Syed Farook, who described his son as “obsessed with Israel.”
Syed Farook provided an interview to the Italian newspaper La Stampa, where he said:
My son said that he shared [IS leader Abu Bakr] Al Baghdadi’s ideology and supported the creation of the Islamic State. He was also obsessed with Israel.
I told him he had to stay calm and be patient because in two years Israel will not exist anymore. Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China and America don’t want Jews there any more. They are going to bring the Jews back to Ukraine. What is the point of fighting? We have already done it and we lost. Israel is not to be fought with weapons, but with politics. But he did not listen to me, he was obsessed.”
Asked if he knew whether Syed Rizwan Farook had contacts with terrorist organizations, the father replied, “I do not know. But these days, who knows, with the internet and all that technology. ”
San Bernardino Terrorist’s Father: My Son Was ‘Obsessed’ With Israel
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/12/06/san-bernardino-terrorists-father-my-son-was-obsessed-with-israel/
On the one hand the father was brutally honest about his son...on the other he has the perverted Islamic mindset himself. Don't tell me Islam is not the problem...they are a religion FULL of rabid animals.Yes it is. Name one good thing islam has done for anything? One.
Now I know the real reason that appt was open to media. Cnn asked a reporter who was in appt this question. Did anything in that place look like they were terrorist? No was the answer, toys just like anyone else s apt. Did the powers that be plant things in that place to make it look more American?
No one had any need to plant things. It probaly IS just like anyone else's apartment. That's the whole point of a sleeper.I don't trust any off them.
I cannot read the comments at DM is it only me?
I can see them...Thanks. I thought it was just for Trump and Mr&Mrs workplace violence. Yet now I see it is all of them.
Over the course of the past nine months or so, we’ve documented the rise of online P2P lending.
Back in May, for instance, we highlighted a Bloomberg piece which suggested the volume of P2P loans is set to hit nearly $80 billion in 2015. “LendingClub, the No. 1 player worldwide, is trading at a market value of about $7 billion even though it lost $33 million last year,” Bloomberg said, before warning that “in a flashback to the subprime mortgage boom, P2P startups have begun bundling and selling off loans through securitizations.”
Well of course they have. When it comes to new, potentially lucrative markets, Wall Street is a bit like Christopher Walken’s character Frank White from the 1990 cult classic “King Of New York”: “Nothing goes down unless I’m involved.” The more demand there is for P2P loans to securitize, the lower will be P2P lenders’ underwriting standards creating a repeat of the originate to sell dynamic that helped create the housing bubble and is now playing out across the auto loan space. But when it comes to P2P loans, there’s another problem. P2P loans create the conditions whereby borrowers can refi high-interest debt via personal loans, transferring credit risk from large financial institutions to private lenders in the process. It’s not entirely clear what the implications of that shift might ultimately be, especially if the market continues to grow
An FBI dive team reportedly pulled an object from a San Bernardino lake Friday, seeking evidence pinpointing the motive and history of the attackers who killed more than a dozen people during a holiday party.
One diver handed the unknown item to an official wearing gloves, who put the object in a plastic bag, the Press-Enterprise reports.
Investigators are looking for a hard drive that may have been dumped in the lake, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press. David Bowdich, chief of the FBI's Los Angeles office, said investigative leads indicated the shooters had been in the area the day of the massacre and said the search of the lake could take days.
Fox News has learned that in 2012, one of the gunmen, Syed Farook, conspired with former neighbor Enrique Marquez, the man who purchased the rifles used in the deadly attack in San Bernardino on Dec. 2. The plot would have targeted the Los Angeles area.
If no one steps up, she will likely be cremated at taxpayers’ expense, a fate forbidden by Islamic law for even the most reviled radical killers.
If no one steps up, she will likely be cremated at taxpayers’ expense, a fate forbidden by Islamic law for even the most reviled radical killers.Good. Sprinkle her corpse with pig blood before lighting the fire.
Good. Sprinkle her corpse with pig blood before lighting the fire.Yep.....you know she thought for sure she would have a honorable funeral by her sharia types.
Report: Jihadi Bride Passed 3 Visa Background Checks Despite Online Posts About Violent Jihad
Posted By Chuck Ross On 4:21 PM 12/12/2015 In | No Comments
Tashfeen Malik, the Pakistani woman who killed 14 people with her husband in San Bernardino earlier this month, openly advocated violent jihad on her social media accounts before coming to the U.S., but government officials approved her fiancee visa anyway, The New York Times reports.
Law enforcement officials discovered the posts, according to The Times. Had authorities found the messages when Malik applied last year for a K-1 fiancee visa to come to the U.S. with her husband, Syed Farook, she likely would not have been approved for entry. But, as The Times notes, immigration officials rarely check applicants’ social media posts for red flags. And female applicants are generally subject to less scrutiny than male applicants.
As one former senior Homeland Security Investigations officials told The Times, visa applicants’ identities are run against federal terror watch list databases, and if the person is not flagged during that process, they are usually not subject to further investigation.
Malik, who was born in Pakistan but grew up in Saudi Arabia, went through three separate screenings before being granted a green card. That despite the reportedly inflammatory social media posts and her reported association with radical elements as a student in Pakistan.
The first screening Malik went through was a criminal background and national security database check conducted by the Department of Homeland Security. The State Department conducted the second check, when the agency compared her fingerprints against national security databases. Lastly, she was interviewed by officials in the U.S. when she applied for her green card after marrying Farook.
The 29-year-old Malik also went through two in-person interviews, The Times reported — one with a consular officer in Pakistan and the other with an immigration officer in the U.S. during the green card application process.
Farook, who was born in Chicago and is of Pakistani descent, was also vetted by the feds. His background reportedly came back clean as well, as he was not on federal terror watch lists or a no-fly list.
That, too, has become a cause of concern. Farook was reportedly in the same social circle as one of four men arrested near San Bernardino in 2012 for plotting to recruit al-Qaeda fighters. It is still unclear how close Farook was to the would-be recruiter, who was recently sentenced to 25 years in prison for providing material support to terrorists.
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Radioactive radical: Body of San Bernardino jihadist bride unclaimed
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/11/martyr-scorned-body-san-bernardino-jihadist-bride-unclaimed/?intcmp=hpbt3
Much evidence of incompetence, careless disregard of Americans safety by the Obama-Hillary Clinton administration.
Democrats cannot be trusted with national or domestic security. A fruitful campaign theme, for the GOP next November.