Can we have a "who cares" option? :tongue2:I'm not happy about the impending Trump nomination either. At least Ponzi schemed secretly :P But as to "who cares," I do! I'm #NeverHillary, not #NeverTrump. Even if you're #NeverTrump, suppose you are a computer and have to pick the most likely "helpful" VP pick.
Failing that - how about Charles Ponzi?
I was semi serious about Ponzi though - I keep hearing two connected things. Social Security entitlements need reforming, and that it's a Ponzi scheme. Who better to fix it than the guy that perfected it? :shrug:I'm with you so much on SS. When I was in law school in the early 90s I dabbled with a group called Lead Or Leave, non-partisan effort to reform SS. Even then it was obvious we were headed for disaster. Me, I favor transitioning over a decade or so into a la Chile to a system of forced savings -- but in your OWN account, invested by YOU in hundreds of government-audited ETFs, mutual funds, etc.
Didn't vote. Don't care. It should be someone seeking to destroy their reputation with conservatives.
I'm not happy about the impending Trump nomination either. At least Ponzi schemed secretly :P But as to "who cares," I do! I'm #NeverHillary, not #NeverTrump. Even if you're #NeverTrump, suppose you are a computer and have to pick the most likely "helpful" VP pick.
I was semi serious about Ponzi though - I keep hearing two connected things. Social Security entitlements need reforming, and that it's a Ponzi scheme. Who better to fix it than the guy that perfected it? :shrug:
Seriously, he should pick Oprah. It would cement who he really is.Well, he's spoken very favorably about Oprah in the past, but there is not way on God's green earth that Oprah would sign on. She may find him pleasant private company, but she doesn't share his politics.
I voted someone else. He should fully cap off this absurdity by selecting a monkey to be his VP.
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Man, I though *I* was Druck Fump ... I hate trump, but if it's Him vs Hillary or Sanders, I'm with Him. Idiotic, Trumpanzee, Spray-tanned Him. We just have to surround him (staffing wise) with true conservatives to minimize the damage.
How are we going to surround him with anything? The President chooses his cabinet and advisors.Fair enough: You can't force the top guy to listen to anyone. But you can pressure. You can make it clear that he's only there on pain of listening to certain people. CONSERVATIVES. Team of Rivals and all that.
More childish nonsense from the never/Trumps. Anything to ruin an attempt at a civil question and poll. Thanks for your attempt.
More childish nonsense from the never/Trumps. Anything to ruin an attempt at a civil question and poll. Thanks for your attempt.
To give a serious answer, I'd say Newt. He's the only person Trump could pick that might make me support him.
And it's not because I'm a particularly huge fan of Newt, either. But I see him as perhaps the one outside person who could have the most influence over Trump given his age, pedigree, etc.. He would probably be the most influential VP Trump could pick, and anyone who could have influence over Trump is a good thing.
The problem I have with most of the ticket-balancing choices (Martinez, etc.) is that they're just putting earrings on a pig. All they might do is make Trump more electable in the eyes of some, which won't really change anything about the guy.
While Newt might persuade some of the NeverTrumps to waver, it doesn't look like Trump is going to run his campaign by appealing to conservatives. We're like African American voters in the Democratic party - it will be assumed we have nowhere else to go. I think Trump is intrigued by forging an alliance with Sanders voters - folks who are as alienated and disaffected as the Trumpsters. And just as susceptible to the easy answers of a demagogue.
Nevertrumps will be irrealivant except for helping elect Hillary.
Nevertrumps will be irrealivant except for helping elect Hillary.
Nevertrumps will be irrealivant except for helping elect Hillary.
Nevertrumps will be irrealivant except for helping elect Hillary.
I agree...when did they turn into Leftists?????
And that will have to be enough.
But after the election, the repudiation of Trumpism will allow principled, limited government, liberty-centric conservatism to re-establish itself. The movement is doomed unless we act to cut out the cancer.
Nevertrumps will be irrealivant except for helping elect Hillary.
Nope. I am not responsible for what others do with their votes. It is the STrumpets who are responsible for having picked a nominee who cannot win against Clinton, arguably the weakest democrat candidate in living history.
Trump, himself, will deserve a good measure of credit for that... due to his own inflammatory and divisive rhetoric. It's almost as if he 'wants' folks to not like him and just stay home on election day [blink blink]. He has certainly managed to alienate enough folks on the right, the very same voters he would need in order to defeat Hillary. Coincidence? Nah.
To be fair, we don't know that yet.
More childish nonsense from the never/Trumps. Anything to ruin an attempt at a civil question and poll. Thanks for your attempt.If Trump were a true conservative and had the credentials to prove it, he might get more respect. But he doesn't and he won't.
From the list of candidates in the poll, I picked Jim Webb. Someone with the reputation as a seasoned military leader would be the best fit for Trump. The best thing the Veep pick can bring to a Trump Presidency is the sobriety and level-headedness needed to curb Trump's ego, temper and impulsiveness with respect to national security matters. That's the stuff that can get us all killed.
Just announce him as VP and Sec of Defense tooWebb's problem, particularly teamed with Trump of all people, is that he is openly pro-abortion-rights. And come on, Trump is pro-choice, his protestations to the contrary recently (after the age of 65 -- again, come ON) notwithstanding. Enough anti-abortion voters would decide to sit on their hands, and we are again left with the witch. I'd be ok-ish with Webb otherwise; maybe he could sign a blood oath of some sort?
If Trump were a true conservative and had the credentials to prove it, he might get more respect. But he doesn't and he won't.
Maybe, just maybe, if he chose Cruz (if he were to accept on the condition he were to be nominated to the SCOTUS) it would give Trump leverage with the Senate...consent or he will as President of the Senate make life miserable.
Those who oppose Trump fall, basically speaking, into two categories - those who view him as unprincipled/a changeling/just another liberal, and those who view him as, well, a wackobird. I'm mainly in the latter camp. And for someone with my kinds of concerns, I can't think of a better choice for Trump's VP than Jim Webb.
Webb may have ideological flaws (as noted earlier, he's pro-life), but he's the one choice that telegraphs Trump's seriousness and humility to seek the kind of counsel he'll need as President. Webb's resume is varied and actually quite amazing, he'd have cross-party appeal, and he brings heft to the one area - foreign policy - where Trump's personality scares people the most.
Webb also, like Trump and the rest of us, has a problem with Hillary - he said a few months ago he wouldn't vote for Clinton but might for Trump.
Free advice from a confirmed #NeverTrump is worth the price paid, but if Trump were to ask me, his best veep option is Jim Webb.
Hmmm! I view him as just another liberal wacko!
How is Webb a liberal wacko, bigun?
(I edited , BTW, my post above - Webb is pro-choice, not pro-life. No doubt Webb's views on the issues are a mixed bag, but a liberal wacko?? That's the sort of characterization that gives conservatives a bad reputation as unreasonable in some quarters. Then again, Kasich was a liberal wacko to many as well. :shrug: )
If Trump were a true conservative and had the credentials to prove it, he might get more respect. But he doesn't and he won't.
Maybe, just maybe, if he chose Cruz (if he were to accept on the condition he were to be nominated to the SCOTUS) it would give Trump leverage with the Senate...consent or he will as President of the Senate make life miserable.
If you hang with liberal whack jobs long enough it rubs off on you! Becomes hard to distinguish one from another!
[Trump]'s a champion of the average Joe. With our country headed toward total ruin, we need someone like him.
I believe Trump will pick Rick Scott as his VP. But the person he should pick to increase his electability would be Joe Biden.**nononono* :nono: Stupid! But for Trump, go ahead, it still won't get my vote.
**nononono* :nono: Stupid! But for Trump, go ahead, it still won't get my vote.
He is not seeking your vote. He is seeking Democrat votes.
He is not seeking your vote. He is seeking Democrat votes.Then why didn't he run for the Dem nomination? After all, isn't that what he is? If he thought he could beat Hillary that easy, should have been easy as a Dem, Right?
I believe Trump will pick Rick Scott as his VP. But the person he should pick to increase his electability would be Joe Biden.That would be funny.
Well, that's exactly what labor unions have been saying for years, and their political advocacy tends to lean heavily left. The "average joe" standard is what motivates Sanders and the left towards socialism.
That would be funny.
They'd both be running around saying goofy things.
Comedians wouldn't have to write their own material anymore, it would write itself.
Are there any Republicans that meet your limited criteria of acceptable?
I don't know how you assume I that I have a limited criteria as to who Trump picks, as it doesn't make much difference to me, but here goes:
Rubio to help him in Florida or Kasich to help him in Ohio, but I am not sure that would be enough to get him elected.
I don't think Rubio would accept anyway, from what I've been reading.
Biden, for the humor he and Trump would provide together, it would be like Abbott and Costello.
Why not a black or Hispanic fermale?
Why not a black or Hispanic fermale?
Sure, why not? Whatever he thinks he needs to do to get the votes.
Not sure what a "fermale" is, but...not that there's anything wrong with that, to quote Seinfeld.
(That two letters close together thing happens to me a lot on Iphones when I post from them)LOL
Normal "ticket balancing" considerations aren't what Trump needs. Trump has a credibility problem. Trump needs a Veep to show that he is serious and level-headed about governing, and that he is humble enough to engage the expert advice he will need - especially when it comes to foreign policy, where his mercurial hot-headedness causes folks the most heartburn.
Forget ticket-balancing or appeals to minority groups. That's not what Trump needs. Jim Webb would, IMO, be the choice that speaks most directly and fundamentally to the fears and anxieties that folks have about Trump. He would also enhance Trump's cross-party appeal, which he'll need to counter the conservative NeverTrumps.
I'm on a laptop, large fingers and at best a novice typist. Sometimes I don't see the squiggly line under misspelled words. But then I'm just an imperfect Trump supporter. :beer:...and I am just an imperfect Cruzbot. :beer:
Sure, why not? Whatever he thinks he needs to do to get the votes.
Not sure what a "fermale" is, but...not that there's anything wrong with that, to quote Seinfeld.
(That two letters close together thing happens to me a lot on Iphones when I post from them)LOL
The problem Cruz has is his unpopularity with his peers in congress.
The whole "we want an outsider" thing was always a big fat lie from the Trump side
Cruz is a politician. Trump obviously is NOT. Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.
Trump is a baffoon. Nobody in their right mind would sign on to be his VP candidate...the commodore on the USS Trumptanic. Which is exactly why Sarah Palin should do it. She's dumb enough. :chairbang:
Trump is a baffoon. Nobody in their right mind would sign on to be his VP candidate...the commodore on the USS Trumptanic. Which is exactly why Sarah Palin should do it. She's dumb enough. :chairbang:
Trump is unique. He's not a politician, he's not beholden to any lobby or ideology for that matter, as nearly all of us have wished for years, he's not afraid to disavow political correctness and tell it like it is.
No, he's not your average right-wing candidate but, he's a champion of the average Joe. With our country headed toward total ruin, we need someone like him.
You can't get on board with that...fine but, don't belittle those who do.
Rubio or Kasich make sense to help him in either Florida or Ohio.Seems logical since Florida and Ohio are so critical, but can you pick a VP that called you a "con man" among other things?
I don't think it will matter much.
His negatives are still pretty high at this point.
He has got to have broader appeal.
A lot of politicians are worried about being tied to Trump, frankly, and with logical reasons to be so.
Seems logical since Florida and Ohio are so critical, but can you pick a VP that called you a "con man" among other things?
The folks who are with him now would not be bothered but to those who is supposedly trying to appeal to they might say :wtf!:... Or could you run as a VP when you were called "Little Marco" and Kasich being questioned about his manhood?
I don't know what a fermale is, don't want to know, yet the Obama administration probably has lawsuit lined up to make sure they get equal representation in bathrooms.
In the three states, between 51 and 55 percent of voters said Clinton had 'the right kind of temperament and personality to handle an international crisis as President', while Trump's numbers ranged from 29 percent to 34 percent
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Cruz is a politician. Trump obviously is NOT. Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.
Trump is a pimp
Trump is a pimp but he has been buying politicians for decades, he golfs with Boehner and Bill Clinton, has Soros over for Christmas... he is friends with the establishment.
I'm still voting for Ted.
OK - you wanted some serious input….
Unfortunately, this fellow has gone on to his reward. It's a shame, because he and The Donald would have made a heck of a hair band, if not a presidential team.
Beam me up Scotty!Now there's an idea. Trump could tap Gov Brown from granola land and sandwich the country in left and right coast liberal though.
Excellent post Neverdul. Great analysis, without the one-liner BS. I like Ryan and see where you're going with that. Problem is he won't bring in the #nevertrumps as they don't think much of the Speaker. Trump's problem as you pointed out is going too far to the right and walking away from the #neverhillary voters. I still like Kasich and Martinez, as well as Haley, but I note your concern with Haley, again who might not bring in many #nevertrump votes. But you've made some great, thought-provoking points. :beer:
Now there's an idea. Trump could tap Gov Brown from granola land and sandwich the country in left and right coast liberal though.
Excuse me?
Ryan's great as far as I'm concerned. I hope he has the good sense to steer clear of a career-ending dalliance with the Orange Baboon. He's also too much of an independent thinker, IMHO, and we know for a fact that Saint Donald hates people who don't kowtow to his personal commands.
Excuse me?
Ryan's great as far as I'm concerned. I hope he has the good sense to steer clear of a career-ending dalliance with the Orange Baboon. He's also too much of an independent thinker, IMHO, and we know for a fact that Saint Donald hates people who don't kowtow to his personal commands.
Still be better than Hillary/Commie, La Raza.
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If Hillary picks Julian Castro as VP, it is all over but the shouting, possibly for the next 16 years.
I've been saying that since this guy spoke at the Dem convention.
His pick is almost a given. Been talked about for a long time going back to 2012. If Hillary isn't indicted, he could well bring her across the finish line.
He will bring her across the finish line.
If Hillary picks Julian Castro as VP, it is all over but the shouting, possibly for the next 16 years.
I've been saying that since this guy spoke at the Dem convention.
He's a POS and you act as though we already lost.
Man...are you in for a surprise! :whistle:
Cruz is a politician. Trump obviously is NOT. Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.
Cruz is a Conservative. Trump, Clinton, and Sanders are not. Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.
There are degrees of conservatism. Right wing ideologues will not win a national election now or the foreseeable future. Clinton and Sanders are left wing liberals. Trump is a moderate conservative who supports the 2nd Amendment and secure borders. A superior choice to either liberal. Sad that you are so blind.
Yes, he's a POS.
Yes, we've already lost.
Cruz is a Conservative. Trump, Clinton, and Sanders are not. Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.
Hillary was an unusually weak candidate who probably could have been beaten by either Cruz or now Trump, IMO. Just from what I've observed among friends the past few weeks.
That's true but, some posters here gave up on beating her long ago.
That's true but, some posters here gave up on beating her long ago.
There are degrees of conservatism. Right wing ideologues will not win a national election now or the foreseeable future. Clinton and Sanders are left wing liberals. Trump is a moderate conservative who supports the 2nd Amendment and secure borders. A superior choice to either liberal. Sad that you are so blind.
There are degrees of conservatism.
Clinton and Sanders are left wing liberals.
So Trump is a moderate conservative in the tradition of John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, and...Richard Nixon.
So in other words, he's GOPe.
There is no degree of Conservatism that supports Kelo. And there is no degree of Conservatism that defends taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood.
When it comes to Kelo, Trump lines up far to the left of Sanders.
Kelo was decided by the SCOTUS. So it makes little difference how you or I perceive it. Do you believe a POTUS can overturn it?
PP deserves no more funding than the DOE or EPA. Congress sees to it that they are funded. We know who has been in congress and it isn't or wasn't Trump.
Bobby, you missed the latest.Ha Ha! I heard something about that while I was out and about this morning running my errands. Maybe Trump will have a NEW apprentice reality show where he can find new project managers to solve the country's problems.
Trump doesn't have positions. He has "suggestions." http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,206425.0/topicseen.html
So all you Trump advocates are ok with his position
-- that mothers can murder their unborn if they so choose?
-- that the government should continue funding Planned Parenthood so THEY can continue helping a mother murdering their unborn kids?
-- for continued support of bloated government beauracies and their continued intrusion into our lives and takeover of states rights?
-- to continue the IRS and maintaining multiple tax rates to facilitate social injustice?
-- to continue registration of personal firearms so the government can come after you?
-- that eminent domain and the government right to take your property is fair and just?
The SCOTUS has decided most of what you posted. No POTUS can overturn the decisions. The drama queen act is getting old.What's getting old are (1) about half of the SCOTUS justices and (2) your willful refusal to deal with the fact that the President alone nominates their replacements.
What's getting old are (1) about half of the SCOTUS justices and (2) your willful refusal to deal with the fact that the President alone nominates their replacements.
You're trying to have us believe that Trump as President will have no more impact on these policy issues than would Cruz, or Hillary.
Stop the act.
It matters that Trump is way off to the left of the other GOP options. Sure, he's prrrrrrrrobably (not sure) better than Hillary in terms of the judges he'd nominate.
But don't sit there and tell us that SCOTUS is some disconnected body on high whose composition the President cannot influence.
The POTUS nominates, he doesn't confirm. Trump isn't stupid, like you neverTrumps seem to believe.
The POTUS nominates, he doesn't confirm. Trump isn't stupid, like you neverTrumps seem to believe.Wait, wait, a minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Kelo (which Trump supports), only SCOTUS.
Hell, Cruz couldn't influence his peers in congress. Trump actually has a chance of influencing congress and accomplishing improvements in border security, the military and trade.
Anybody who publicly mocks the handicapped and trashes POWs is goddamned stupid!!!
Anybody who publicly mocks the handicapped and trashes POWs is goddamned stupid!!!
Wait, wait, a minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Kelo (which Trump supports), only SCOTUS.
A minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Roe (which Trump supports, along with taxpayer funding to PP), only SCOTUS.
Now? When I called you on your dodging, you try to flip the script and say, in effect, "Uh, yeah, SCOTUS suddenly matters to me! But um, Cruz wasn't successful, and Trump will be, because TRUMP!"
You're the inaugural member of my Ignore List. Not because you're for Trump, but because you are not arguing in good faith. Please add me to yours.
Wait, wait, a minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Kelo (which Trump supports), only SCOTUS.
A minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Roe (which Trump supports, along with taxpayer funding to PP), only SCOTUS.
Now? When I called you on your dodging, you try to flip the script and say, in effect, "Uh, yeah, SCOTUS suddenly matters to me! But um, Cruz wasn't successful, and Trump will be, because TRUMP!"
You're the inaugural member of my Ignore List. Not because you're for Trump, but because you are not arguing in good faith. Please add me to yours.
Point of fact @pogo101 . He is the undisputed king of the ignore. Infact I asked @mystery-ak to remane "Ignore Button" to the "A-Lert Button" in his honor.
The SCOTUS has decided most of what you posted. No POTUS can overturn the decisions. The drama queen act is getting old.SCOTUS decided Obamacare is a tax too, but doesn't make it right. Courts have said Obama acted illegally on immigration too, but didn't stop him.
You have a great imagination. Do you write fiction for a livelihood?
You're confused. The POTUS can NOT overturn SCOTUS decisions.
Cruz was unpopular with his peers and apparently wasn't that popular with the electorate. Cruz comes off as impersonal, staid and a right wing ideologue. Trump has a better chance of being successful because he can be persuasive. All evidence indicates Cruz can't be or isn't persuasive.
And yet he polled better than Trump in the general at every turn.