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Title: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: pogo101 on May 08, 2016, 10:23:56 pm
Have at it!  I'd appreciate serious answers only, but we can all use a good laugh now and again.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: EC on May 08, 2016, 10:40:30 pm
Can we have a "who cares" option?  :tongue2:

Failing that - how about Charles Ponzi?
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: pogo101 on May 08, 2016, 10:53:18 pm
Can we have a "who cares" option?  :tongue2:

Failing that - how about Charles Ponzi?
I'm not happy about the impending Trump nomination either.  At least Ponzi schemed secretly :P  But as to "who cares," I do!  I'm #NeverHillary, not #NeverTrump.  Even if you're #NeverTrump, suppose you are a computer and have to pick the most likely "helpful" VP pick.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: EC on May 08, 2016, 10:58:12 pm
I was semi serious about Ponzi though - I keep hearing two connected things. Social Security entitlements need reforming, and that it's a Ponzi scheme. Who better to fix it than the guy that perfected it?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: pogo101 on May 08, 2016, 11:02:00 pm
I was semi serious about Ponzi though - I keep hearing two connected things. Social Security entitlements need reforming, and that it's a Ponzi scheme. Who better to fix it than the guy that perfected it?  :shrug:
I'm with you so much on SS.  When I was in law school in the early 90s I dabbled with a group called Lead Or Leave, non-partisan effort to reform SS.  Even then it was obvious we were headed for disaster.  Me, I favor transitioning over a decade or so into a la Chile to a system of forced savings -- but in your OWN account, invested by YOU in hundreds of government-audited ETFs, mutual funds, etc.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: BigHomer on May 08, 2016, 11:23:00 pm
Anybody would be a fool to sign on with the USS Trumptanic  :chairbang:
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: BigHomer on May 08, 2016, 11:36:55 pm
Didn't vote.  Don't care.  It should be someone seeking to destroy their reputation with conservatives.


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Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Hank Rearden on May 08, 2016, 11:39:41 pm
His mirror.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Bigun on May 08, 2016, 11:43:31 pm
I'm not happy about the impending Trump nomination either.  At least Ponzi schemed secretly :P  But as to "who cares," I do!  I'm #NeverHillary, not #NeverTrump.  Even if you're #NeverTrump, suppose you are a computer and have to pick the most likely "helpful" VP pick.

Why? There is no difference between them and they are both full members of the Clintoon Crime Syndicate!
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Bigun on May 08, 2016, 11:46:05 pm
I voted for someone else  and my comment is Bernie Sanders!

They are both CRAZY and would work well with each other!
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Wingnut on May 08, 2016, 11:46:07 pm
I was semi serious about Ponzi though - I keep hearing two connected things. Social Security entitlements need reforming, and that it's a Ponzi scheme. Who better to fix it than the guy that perfected it?  :shrug:

Ponzi has passed on.  But his modern day equal ....Bernie Madoff is available, with a pardon.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: bolobaby on May 09, 2016, 12:26:43 am
Seriously, he should pick Oprah. It would cement who he really is.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: pogo101 on May 09, 2016, 12:29:45 am
Seriously, he should pick Oprah. It would cement who he really is.
Well, he's spoken very favorably about Oprah in the past, but there is not way on God's green earth that Oprah would sign on.  She may find him pleasant private company, but she doesn't share his politics.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: geronl on May 09, 2016, 03:20:00 am
Trump-Sanders 2016
Two old guys and a bucket list!
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 09, 2016, 03:30:43 am
I voted someone else. He should fully cap off this absurdity by selecting a monkey to be his VP.

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TRUMP/MONKEY 2016
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: geronl on May 09, 2016, 03:59:56 am
I voted someone else. He should fully cap off this absurdity by selecting a monkey to be his VP.

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TRUMP/MONKEY 2016

 :silly: :silly:
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: RetBobbyMI on May 09, 2016, 04:22:04 am
Other...try Daffy Duck. Then they can both quack equally.   :th_10444:
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: montanajoe on May 09, 2016, 04:37:53 am
Bernie Sanders

The only way he is going to get all the cross over Dims the Trump supporters keep talking about is to feel the Bern. Of course, other than Hilliary Bernie is the most philosophically compatible with Trump and he has smaller hands than Hilliary so Trump wont feel threatened...
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: geronl on May 09, 2016, 04:48:13 am
Trump-Sanders

The Bucket List
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: pogo101 on May 09, 2016, 05:09:24 am
Man, I though *I* was Druck Fump ... I hate trump, but if it's Him vs Hillary or Sanders, I'm with Him.  Idiotic, Trumpanzee, Spray-tanned Him.  We just have to surround him (staffing wise) with true conservatives to minimize the damage.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 09, 2016, 05:16:03 am
Man, I though *I* was Druck Fump ... I hate trump, but if it's Him vs Hillary or Sanders, I'm with Him.  Idiotic, Trumpanzee, Spray-tanned Him.  We just have to surround him (staffing wise) with true conservatives to minimize the damage.

How are we going to surround him with anything? The President chooses his cabinet and advisors.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: pogo101 on May 09, 2016, 05:23:13 am
How are we going to surround him with anything? The President chooses his cabinet and advisors.
Fair enough: You can't force the top guy to listen to anyone.  But you can pressure.  You can make it clear that he's only there on pain of listening to certain people.  CONSERVATIVES.  Team of Rivals and all that.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 09, 2016, 05:39:22 am
More childish nonsense from the never/Trumps. Anything to ruin  an attempt at a civil question and poll. Thanks for your attempt.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 09, 2016, 11:58:48 am
Sanders or Clinton.  They're his natural counterparts, or did you miss Trump's swing to liberal positions on taxes and the minimum wage.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Timber Rattler on May 09, 2016, 12:05:29 pm
Don't really care since I ain't voting for him no matter who joins him on the ticket.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: wolfcreek on May 09, 2016, 12:37:18 pm
More childish nonsense from the never/Trumps. Anything to ruin  an attempt at a civil question and poll. Thanks for your attempt.

I agree...when did they turn into Leftists?????


Do they not realize this pick could be the next POTUS?
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 09, 2016, 12:47:13 pm
The real question is does it ever matter who these guys pick as VP? Does it ever have an effect?

Trump should probably pick someone either establishment or traditionally conservative like Cruz as VP, to unify I guess. But it never, ever makes a difference. For better or for worse Trump is the bill of goods.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Free Vulcan on May 09, 2016, 02:58:14 pm
More childish nonsense from the never/Trumps. Anything to ruin  an attempt at a civil question and poll. Thanks for your attempt.

 :yawn2: Here's some cheese to go with that whine.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 09, 2016, 03:18:25 pm
To give a serious answer, I'd say Newt.  He's the only person Trump could pick that might make me support him.

And it's not because I'm a particularly huge fan of Newt, either.  But I see him as perhaps the one outside person who could have the most influence over Trump given his age, pedigree, etc..  He would probably be the most influential VP Trump could pick, and anyone who could have influence over Trump is a good thing.

The problem I have with most of the ticket-balancing choices (Martinez, etc.) is that they're just putting earrings on a pig.  All they might do is make Trump more electable in the eyes of some, which won't really change anything about the guy.

While Newt might persuade some of the NeverTrumps to waver,  it doesn't look like Trump is going to run his campaign by appealing to conservatives.   We're like African American voters in the Democratic party -  it will be assumed we have nowhere else to go.   I think Trump is intrigued by forging an alliance with Sanders voters - folks who are as alienated and disaffected as the Trumpsters.   And just as susceptible to the easy answers of a demagogue.   
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: wolfcreek on May 09, 2016, 03:31:04 pm
While Newt might persuade some of the NeverTrumps to waver,  it doesn't look like Trump is going to run his campaign by appealing to conservatives.   We're like African American voters in the Democratic party -  it will be assumed we have nowhere else to go.   I think Trump is intrigued by forging an alliance with Sanders voters - folks who are as alienated and disaffected as the Trumpsters.   And just as susceptible to the easy answers of a demagogue.

Nevertrumps will be irrealivant except for helping elect Hillary.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: XenaLee on May 09, 2016, 04:28:00 pm
This poll is, in all probability, moot....since Trump will no doubt pick the one that is the least likely to be a successful 'pick' for VP...and the least popular among the right in the USA.

Now...I would love to be wrong on this and would love to be wrong about Trump...who, IMO, is acting as the "spoiler" candidate with the intent to destroy the GOP 'from within' for the liberals/Democrats.  It would thrill me, in fact.  But...I don't think that thrill is coming any time soon (if ever).
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: XenaLee on May 09, 2016, 04:30:54 pm
Nevertrumps will be irrealivant except for helping elect Hillary.

Trump, himself, will deserve a good measure of credit for that... due to his own inflammatory and divisive rhetoric.  It's almost as if he 'wants' folks to not like him and just stay home on election day [blink blink].  He has certainly managed to alienate enough folks on the right, the very same voters he would need in order to defeat Hillary.  Coincidence?  Nah.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Free Vulcan on May 09, 2016, 04:39:38 pm
Nevertrumps will be irrealivant except for helping elect Hillary.

Dude, haven't you heard? Trump doesn't need my vote!

He's the dealmaker. He made an offer. I accepted it.

What a deal!
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 09, 2016, 04:45:03 pm
Nevertrumps will be irrealivant except for helping elect Hillary.

And that will have to be enough.

But after the election,  the repudiation of Trumpism will allow principled, limited government, liberty-centric conservatism to re-establish itself.   The movement is doomed unless we act to cut out the cancer.     
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: geronl on May 09, 2016, 05:04:56 pm
Nevertrumps will be irrealivant except for helping elect Hillary.

wah wah, stop the Trumpertantrums.

You didn't want conservative votes anyway, remember.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: geronl on May 09, 2016, 05:06:53 pm
I agree...when did they turn into Leftists?????

Trump is a leftist.

It doesn't really matter to me which of the 2 terrible candidates win, I want them both to lose.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: MACVSOG68 on May 09, 2016, 05:10:30 pm
And that will have to be enough.

But after the election,  the repudiation of Trumpism will allow principled, limited government, liberty-centric conservatism to re-establish itself.   The movement is doomed unless we act to cut out the cancer.   

I think I heard that in '08 and in '12. 
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 09, 2016, 05:13:02 pm
Nevertrumps will be irrealivant except for helping elect Hillary.

Nope.  I am not responsible for what others do with their votes.  It is the STrumpets who are responsible for having picked a nominee who cannot win against Clinton, arguably the weakest democrat candidate in living history. 
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 09, 2016, 05:39:22 pm
Nope.  I am not responsible for what others do with their votes.  It is the STrumpets who are responsible for having picked a nominee who cannot win against Clinton, arguably the weakest democrat candidate in living history.

To be fair, we don't know that yet.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: wolfcreek on May 09, 2016, 06:02:36 pm
Trump, himself, will deserve a good measure of credit for that... due to his own inflammatory and divisive rhetoric.  It's almost as if he 'wants' folks to not like him and just stay home on election day [blink blink].  He has certainly managed to alienate enough folks on the right, the very same voters he would need in order to defeat Hillary.  Coincidence?  Nah.

I was a Cruz guy yet, nothing Trump said made me upset.

Seems there are some way too many overly sensitive people these days.

That aside, Hillary will hurt a lot more 'feelings' before she's done.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: wolfcreek on May 09, 2016, 06:04:13 pm
To be fair, we don't know that yet.

Not only to many believe that but, they're trying to convince others that Hillary can't lose.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 09, 2016, 06:15:28 pm
I figured I'd answer the question seriously, even though I'm #Nevertrump.

 From the list of candidates in the poll, I picked Jim Webb.   Someone with the reputation as a seasoned military leader would be the best fit for Trump.  The best thing the Veep pick can bring to a Trump Presidency is the sobriety and level-headedness needed to curb Trump's ego, temper and impulsiveness with respect to national security matters.  That's the stuff that can get us all killed.   

Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: RetBobbyMI on May 10, 2016, 04:09:44 am
More childish nonsense from the never/Trumps. Anything to ruin  an attempt at a civil question and poll. Thanks for your attempt.
If Trump were a true conservative and had the credentials to prove it, he might get more respect. But he doesn't and he won't.

Maybe, just maybe, if he chose Cruz (if he were to accept on the condition he were to be nominated to the SCOTUS) it would give Trump leverage with the Senate...consent or he will as President of the Senate make life miserable.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: geronl on May 10, 2016, 05:09:14 am

 From the list of candidates in the poll, I picked Jim Webb.   Someone with the reputation as a seasoned military leader would be the best fit for Trump.  The best thing the Veep pick can bring to a Trump Presidency is the sobriety and level-headedness needed to curb Trump's ego, temper and impulsiveness with respect to national security matters.  That's the stuff that can get us all killed.   

Just announce him as VP and Sec of Defense too
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: pogo101 on May 10, 2016, 06:10:18 am
Just announce him as VP and Sec of Defense too
Webb's problem, particularly teamed with Trump of all people, is that he is openly pro-abortion-rights.  And come on, Trump is pro-choice, his protestations to the contrary recently (after the age of 65 -- again, come ON) notwithstanding.  Enough anti-abortion voters would decide to sit on their hands, and we are again left with the witch.  I'd be ok-ish with Webb otherwise; maybe he could sign a blood oath of some sort?
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 10, 2016, 07:00:09 am
If Trump were a true conservative and had the credentials to prove it, he might get more respect. But he doesn't and he won't.

Maybe, just maybe, if he chose Cruz (if he were to accept on the condition he were to be nominated to the SCOTUS) it would give Trump leverage with the Senate...consent or he will as President of the Senate make life miserable.

The problem Cruz has is his unpopularity with his peers in congress. I'm not so sure he could get confirmation if nominated for the SCOTUS.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Sighlass on May 10, 2016, 10:05:11 am
Trump, the only person to pick himself as VP, then have the VP fire himself from the top position just to do it all over again.... Then flip flop for years back and forth if it was the correct thing to do.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 10, 2016, 11:15:50 am
Those who oppose Trump fall, basically speaking, into two categories - those who view him as unprincipled/a changeling/just another liberal, and those who view him as, well,  a wackobird.    I'm mainly in the latter camp.   And for someone with my kinds of concerns,  I can't think of a better choice for Trump's VP than Jim Webb. 

 Webb may have ideological flaws (as noted earlier, he's pro-choice),  but he's the one choice that telegraphs Trump's seriousness and humility to seek the kind of counsel he'll need as President.  Webb's resume is varied and actually quite amazing,  he'd have cross-party appeal,  and he brings heft to the one area - foreign policy - where Trump's personality scares  people the most.   

Webb also,  like Trump and the rest of us, has a problem with Hillary -  he said a few months ago he wouldn't vote for Clinton but might for Trump.

Free advice from a confirmed #NeverTrump is worth the price paid,  but if Trump were to ask me, his best veep option is Jim Webb.   
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 10, 2016, 11:50:03 am
I nominate Jazzhead.  He'll bring a true sense of the president with him when he takes on the position of Vice President.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Bigun on May 10, 2016, 12:41:44 pm
Those who oppose Trump fall, basically speaking, into two categories - those who view him as unprincipled/a changeling/just another liberal, and those who view him as, well,  a wackobird.    I'm mainly in the latter camp.   And for someone with my kinds of concerns,  I can't think of a better choice for Trump's VP than Jim Webb. 

 Webb may have ideological flaws (as noted earlier, he's pro-life),  but he's the one choice that telegraphs Trump's seriousness and humility to seek the kind of counsel he'll need as President.  Webb's resume is varied and actually quite amazing,  he'd have cross-party appeal,  and he brings heft to the one area - foreign policy - where Trump's personality scares  people the most.   

Webb also,  like Trump and the rest of us, has a problem with Hillary -  he said a few months ago he wouldn't vote for Clinton but might for Trump.

Free advice from a confirmed #NeverTrump is worth the price paid,  but if Trump were to ask me, his best veep option is Jim Webb.

Hmmm! I view him as just another liberal wacko!
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: montanajoe on May 10, 2016, 12:53:29 pm
 I view him as unprincipled/a changeling/just another liberal, which by definition is  a wackobird
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 10, 2016, 12:55:15 pm
Hmmm! I view him as just another liberal wacko!

How is Webb a liberal wacko, bigun?   

(I edited , BTW, my post above - Webb is pro-choice, not pro-life.   No doubt Webb's views on the issues are a mixed bag,  but a liberal wacko??   That's the sort of characterization that gives conservatives a bad reputation as unreasonable in some quarters.   Then again, Kasich was a liberal wacko to many as well.   :shrug:  )
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Bigun on May 10, 2016, 01:08:37 pm
How is Webb a liberal wacko, bigun?   

(I edited , BTW, my post above - Webb is pro-choice, not pro-life.   No doubt Webb's views on the issues are a mixed bag,  but a liberal wacko??   That's the sort of characterization that gives conservatives a bad reputation as unreasonable in some quarters.   Then again, Kasich was a liberal wacko to many as well.   :shrug:  )

If you hang with liberal whack jobs long enough it rubs off on you!   Becomes hard to distinguish one from another!
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: wolfcreek on May 10, 2016, 01:14:50 pm
If Trump were a true conservative and had the credentials to prove it, he might get more respect. But he doesn't and he won't.

Maybe, just maybe, if he chose Cruz (if he were to accept on the condition he were to be nominated to the SCOTUS) it would give Trump leverage with the Senate...consent or he will as President of the Senate make life miserable.

Trump is unique. He's not a politician, he's not beholden to any lobby or ideology for that matter, as nearly all of us have wished for years, he's not afraid to disavow political correctness and tell it like it is.

No, he's not your average right-wing candidate but, he's a champion of the average Joe. With our country headed toward total ruin, we need someone like him.

You can't get on board with that...fine but, don't belittle those who do.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: GrouchoTex on May 10, 2016, 01:22:02 pm
Rubio or Kasich make sense to help him in either Florida or Ohio.
I don't think it will matter much.
His negatives are still pretty high at this point.
He has got to have broader appeal.
A lot of politicians are worried about being tied to Trump, frankly, and with logical reasons to be so.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 10, 2016, 01:32:15 pm
If you hang with liberal whack jobs long enough it rubs off on you!   Becomes hard to distinguish one from another!

That's not a serious response.  Oh well . . .
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Wingnut on May 10, 2016, 02:38:40 pm
Don't you think Trump will pick a 'milquetoast' kind of VP.   A yes man. A follower. Someone who be at his beck and call to represent Trump at Big Deal events like, New Mall and Trump Property Openings,  Going Out Of Business Sales, and The Selling off of American State Parks and Lands to developers??
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Hoodat on May 10, 2016, 03:27:05 pm
[Trump]'s a champion of the average Joe. With our country headed toward total ruin, we need someone like him.

Is this the same Donald Trump who tried using eminent domain to take some old lady's house away so that he could build a valet lot for casino fat cats?  Donald Trump is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Hoodat on May 10, 2016, 03:29:33 pm
I believe Trump will pick Rick Scott as his VP.  But the person he should pick to increase his electability would be Joe Biden.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: RetBobbyMI on May 10, 2016, 03:39:36 pm
I believe Trump will pick Rick Scott as his VP.  But the person he should pick to increase his electability would be Joe Biden.
**nononono* :nono: Stupid!  But for Trump, go ahead, it still won't get my vote.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Hoodat on May 10, 2016, 03:41:23 pm
**nononono* :nono: Stupid!  But for Trump, go ahead, it still won't get my vote.

He is not seeking your vote.  He is seeking Democrat votes.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: RetBobbyMI on May 10, 2016, 03:43:57 pm
He is not seeking your vote.  He is seeking Democrat votes.

Then why didn't he run for the Dem nomination?  After all, isn't that what he is?
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: RetBobbyMI on May 10, 2016, 03:45:27 pm
He is not seeking your vote.  He is seeking Democrat votes.
Then why didn't he run for the Dem nomination?  After all, isn't that what he is?  If he thought he could beat Hillary that easy, should have been easy as a Dem, Right?
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Hoodat on May 10, 2016, 03:55:33 pm
He is following the Bloomberg plan.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: rodamala on May 10, 2016, 04:24:46 pm
Honey Boo Boo might be Trump's perfect running mate:

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Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: GrouchoTex on May 10, 2016, 04:38:41 pm
I believe Trump will pick Rick Scott as his VP.  But the person he should pick to increase his electability would be Joe Biden.
That would be funny.
They'd both be running around saying goofy things.
Comedians wouldn't have to write their own material anymore, it would write itself.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: wolfcreek on May 10, 2016, 07:57:20 pm
Well, that's exactly what labor unions have been saying for years, and their political advocacy tends to lean heavily left.  The "average joe" standard is what motivates Sanders and the left towards socialism.

I'm an average Joe business owner.

What are you, some sort of elitist?
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 10, 2016, 08:35:43 pm
That would be funny.
They'd both be running around saying goofy things.
Comedians wouldn't have to write their own material anymore, it would write itself.

Are there any Republicans that meet your limited criteria of acceptable?
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: GrouchoTex on May 10, 2016, 08:55:36 pm
Are there any Republicans that meet your limited criteria of acceptable?

I don't know how you assume I that I have a limited criteria as to who Trump picks, as it doesn't make much difference to me, but here goes:

Rubio to help him in Florida or Kasich to help him in Ohio, but I am not sure that would be enough to get him elected.
I don't think Rubio would accept anyway, from what I've been reading.

Biden, for the humor he and Trump would provide together, it would be like Abbott and Costello.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 10, 2016, 09:19:17 pm
I don't know how you assume I that I have a limited criteria as to who Trump picks, as it doesn't make much difference to me, but here goes:

Rubio to help him in Florida or Kasich to help him in Ohio, but I am not sure that would be enough to get him elected.
I don't think Rubio would accept anyway, from what I've been reading.

Biden, for the humor he and Trump would provide together, it would be like Abbott and Costello.

Why not a black or Hispanic fermale?
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 10, 2016, 09:31:00 pm
Why not a black or Hispanic fermale?

Normal "ticket balancing" considerations aren't what Trump needs.  Trump has a credibility problem.   Trump needs a Veep to show that he is serious and level-headed about governing,  and that he is humble enough to engage the expert advice he will need - especially when it comes to foreign policy,  where his mercurial hot-headedness causes folks the most heartburn. 

Forget ticket-balancing or appeals to minority groups.   That's not what Trump needs.  Jim Webb would, IMO, be the choice that speaks most directly and fundamentally to the fears and anxieties that folks have about Trump.  He would also enhance Trump's cross-party appeal, which he'll need to counter the conservative NeverTrumps.       
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: GrouchoTex on May 10, 2016, 09:43:43 pm
Why not a black or Hispanic fermale?

Sure, why not? Whatever he thinks he needs to do to get the votes.
Not sure what a "fermale" is, but...not that there's anything wrong with that, to quote Seinfeld.
(That two letters close together thing happens to me a lot on Iphones when I post from them)LOL
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 10, 2016, 09:58:33 pm
Sure, why not? Whatever he thinks he needs to do to get the votes.
Not sure what a "fermale" is, but...not that there's anything wrong with that, to quote Seinfeld.
(That two letters close together thing happens to me a lot on Iphones when I post from them)LOL

I'm on a laptop, large fingers and at best a novice typist. Sometimes I don't see the squiggly line under misspelled words.  But then I'm just an imperfect Trump supporter. :beer:
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 10, 2016, 10:00:26 pm
Normal "ticket balancing" considerations aren't what Trump needs.  Trump has a credibility problem.   Trump needs a Veep to show that he is serious and level-headed about governing,  and that he is humble enough to engage the expert advice he will need - especially when it comes to foreign policy,  where his mercurial hot-headedness causes folks the most heartburn. 

Forget ticket-balancing or appeals to minority groups.   That's not what Trump needs.  Jim Webb would, IMO, be the choice that speaks most directly and fundamentally to the fears and anxieties that folks have about Trump.  He would also enhance Trump's cross-party appeal, which he'll need to counter the conservative NeverTrumps.       

It was a facetious question relating to all the claims made here about how Trump is despised by women and minorities.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: GrouchoTex on May 10, 2016, 10:00:54 pm
I'm on a laptop, large fingers and at best a novice typist. Sometimes I don't see the squiggly line under misspelled words.  But then I'm just an imperfect Trump supporter. :beer:
...and I am just an imperfect Cruzbot. :beer:
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Gefn on May 10, 2016, 10:40:17 pm
Homer Simpson?
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 10, 2016, 10:54:52 pm
Sure, why not? Whatever he thinks he needs to do to get the votes.
Not sure what a "fermale" is, but...not that there's anything wrong with that, to quote Seinfeld.
(That two letters close together thing happens to me a lot on Iphones when I post from them)LOL

I don't know what a fermale is, don't want to know, yet the Obama administration probably has lawsuit lined up to make sure they get equal representation in bathrooms.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: geronl on May 10, 2016, 11:22:22 pm
The problem Cruz has is his unpopularity with his peers in congress.

The whole "we want an outsider" thing was always a big fat lie from the Trump side
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 10, 2016, 11:40:53 pm
The whole "we want an outsider" thing was always a big fat lie from the Trump side

Cruz is a politician. Trump obviously is NOT. Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: BigHomer on May 10, 2016, 11:59:36 pm
Cruz is a politician. Trump obviously is NOT. Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.


Trump is a baffoon. Nobody in their right mind would sign on to be his VP candidate...the commodore on the USS Trumptanic. Which is exactly why Sarah Palin should do it. She's dumb enough.  :chairbang:
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Wingnut on May 11, 2016, 12:14:54 am

Trump is a baffoon. Nobody in their right mind would sign on to be his VP candidate...the commodore on the USS Trumptanic. Which is exactly why Sarah Palin should do it. She's dumb enough.  :chairbang:

Trump/Palin  The Ticket that put the 'Duh' in duh-mock-racy.

Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 11, 2016, 12:19:54 am

Trump is a baffoon. Nobody in their right mind would sign on to be his VP candidate...the commodore on the USS Trumptanic. Which is exactly why Sarah Palin should do it. She's dumb enough.  :chairbang:

Sure, a billionaire "buffoon" and Palin is dumb. Your childish insults reflect upon you. Grow up.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 11, 2016, 12:22:52 am
Awesome! Trump/Monkey is at 44% in the poll!

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Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 11, 2016, 01:27:39 am
Trump is unique. He's not a politician, he's not beholden to any lobby or ideology for that matter, as nearly all of us have wished for years, he's not afraid to disavow political correctness and tell it like it is.

No, he's not your average right-wing candidate but, he's a champion of the average Joe. With our country headed toward total ruin, we need someone like him.

You can't get on board with that...fine but, don't belittle those who do.

Trump is beholden to the political class for the simple reason that he's a crony capitalist.  As far as being for the little guy goes, seriously?  The only person Trump has ever been for is himself - if his actual history is to be believed, as opposed to his own self-serving statements - and to say there is a paucity of evidence to say he's changed is to reach new heights of understatement. 

Kool-aid
Fool-aid
Tool-aid
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Texan on May 11, 2016, 01:50:16 am
Rubio or Kasich make sense to help him in either Florida or Ohio.
I don't think it will matter much.
His negatives are still pretty high at this point.
He has got to have broader appeal.
A lot of politicians are worried about being tied to Trump, frankly, and with logical reasons to be so.
Seems logical since Florida and Ohio are so critical, but can you pick a VP that called you a "con man" among other things?
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: montanajoe on May 11, 2016, 02:15:24 am
Seems logical since Florida and Ohio are so critical, but can you pick a VP that called you a "con man" among other things?

The folks who are with him now would not be bothered but to those who is supposedly trying to appeal to they might say  :wtf!:
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: GrouchoTex on May 11, 2016, 02:59:07 am
The folks who are with him now would not be bothered but to those who is supposedly trying to appeal to they might say  :wtf!:
... Or could you run as a VP when you were called "Little Marco" and Kasich being questioned about his manhood?
Cuts both ways.
Reagan chose Bush after the "voodoo economics " quote but that wasn't quite so personal.

I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: wolfcreek on May 11, 2016, 12:10:43 pm
I don't know what a fermale is, don't want to know, yet the Obama administration probably has lawsuit lined up to make sure they get equal representation in bathrooms.

That would be these 'gals'

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Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 11, 2016, 12:39:43 pm
The three swing state polls that came out yesterday showing Trump and Clinton neck and neck in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida also revealed Trump's biggest weakness.   Clinton remains far more trusted to respond to an international crisis.  According to the NYPost:

Quote
  In the three states, between 51 and 55 percent of voters said Clinton had 'the right kind of temperament and personality to handle an international crisis as President',  while Trump's numbers ranged from 29 percent to 34 percent

Trump's problem isn't his populism, or his departures from conservative orthodoxy.   His weakness in terms of the general election is that he's a wackobird who could get Americans killed in a crisis.   That's what he's got to try to address with his Veep pick.
   
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 11, 2016, 12:45:13 pm
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Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Wingnut on May 11, 2016, 01:07:16 pm
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Don't Go off Half Cocked. Vote Trump/Jenner
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: wolfcreek on May 11, 2016, 01:26:41 pm
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Still be better than Hillary/Commie, La Raza.

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Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Meshuge Mikey on May 11, 2016, 03:46:31 pm
I don't believe that it matters who The Donny Chooses as V.P. wanna be...as his campaign is only sightly more authentic than that of this recently announced team of MUPPETS!!!




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Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: geronl on May 11, 2016, 08:06:37 pm
Cruz is a politician. Trump obviously is NOT. Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.

Trump is a pimp but he has been buying politicians for decades, he golfs with Boehner and Bill Clinton, has Soros over for Christmas... he is friends with the establishment.

I'm still voting for Ted.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: mountaineer on May 11, 2016, 08:13:44 pm
Unfortunately, this fellow has gone on to his reward. It's a shame, because he and The Donald would have made a heck of a hair band, if not a presidential team.
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Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 11, 2016, 08:55:29 pm
Trump is a pimp

 8bs8
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Wingnut on May 11, 2016, 09:13:59 pm
Trump is a pimp but he has been buying politicians for decades, he golfs with Boehner and Bill Clinton, has Soros over for Christmas... he is friends with the establishment.

I'm still voting for Ted.

Trumps doesn't have the style to Pimp.

Now this cat...Meet Trumps new VP.


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Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Neverdul on May 11, 2016, 09:17:41 pm
OK - you wanted some serious input….

Here is who I don’t think is on Trump’s short list:

Ted Cruz – way too much very personal rancor between the two.  For Trump to ask and for Cruz to accept at this point would be tailor made campaign ads for Clinton.  All she would have to do is run the sound bites of Trump repeatedly calling Cruz a liar and Cruz calling Trump a narcissistic liar. For them to stand smiling, hand in hand on the stage at Cleveland would be a disaster IMO. While politics is a rough full contact sport and jabs are made, I just don’t see the two men hugging it out and singing Cum By Ya. The #nevertrump Cruz supporters would not I believe forgive Cruz for betraying his principles nor would they suddenly put their trust in Trump. And how would those Trump supporters who truly believe that Cruz is the Devil Incarnate feel about it? Not going to happen.

Marco Rubio – some of the same reason as above plus Rubio says he is not interested. In fact, he hasn’t even really “endorsed” Trump, only saying, “I signed a pledged to support the nominee.” Sort of like saying, “I signed that damned piece of paper way back when, back when I thought Trump was a joke, but since I signed it, I have to live with it. But I don’t have to like it”. LOL!

Scott Walker – his support for Trump is tepid at best, quite a bit like Rubio’s.

John Kasich – two term governor of Ohio and former congressman, he has both executive and legislative experience, and he could be a ticket balancer as he’s somewhat of a moderate on some issues and strongly conservative on others and from a swing state.  But Kasich has said there is “zero” chance, “Never. No chance” of him being Trump’s running mate. And Trump said it was “unlikely” that Kasich would make the short list. We will see what happens but I don’t see Trump and Kasich as a fit with each other.

Mia Love – too inexperienced IMO and not enough name recognition. And her Mormon religion, although not any big deal to me at all, might turn off some Evangelicals. And she’s got the “birther/ “eligibility” cloud hanging over her - born here in the US, but her parents did not become citizens, didn’t even have their “green cards” until after her birth – some call her an “anchor baby”.  I think she is a NBC but others may question that and make it and her religion an issue. But her inexperience is probably more of an issue for Trump.

Martinez and Haley - both have said they are definitely not interested and Trump even said that Haley wasn’t under consideration. Either might be looked at as an affirmative action pick and like Love, some “birthers” have questioned Haley’s eligibility.

Rick Perry – he seems to be interested but could be labeled as a twice failed POTUS candidate. The lieutenant governor and then governor of Texas, outside of Texas he doesn’t seem to have much popularity and has no experience in DC.

Jim Webb – despite Carson saying that Trump would be open to nominating a Democrat as his VP, and then Trump throwing Carson under the bus, saying a day later that, “No”, that he (Trump) would not consider a Democrat, Webb is not very likely.

Not on the poll but supposedly under consideration or on the short list:

Chris Christie – Trump recently said Christie is on the short list, but IMO that wouldn’t fly as both are brash outspoken North Easterners with big, dare I say YUGE egos.  And Christie wouldn’t bring in votes from NJ due to his current low popularity and would probably hurt Trump overall in other states, especially in the South and Mid-West and West. Some people in other parts of the country even see NY and NJ as being the same state –  : )

Newt Gingrich – too much baggage and too long out of office. But he might be a very good cabinet pick or even as Chief of Staff or Press Secretary.

Sarah Palin or Ben Carson – Trump dissed and disassociated himself from Palin over her comments on Sunday regarding Ryan and she hasn’t been on the campaign trail in any official capacity since just before the Wisconsin vote when she (or Trump) suddenly canceled her campaign appearance.  Carson evidently has just been removed from the VP search committee but met with Ryan by phone today “ahead of the Trump meeting” with Ryan tomorrow. Carson also said he wasn’t interested in the VP slot. And “low energy” Carson just doesn’t seem to have the personality to deal with Congress.  Carson, like Palin also suffers from Foot In Mouth disease.

Joni Ernst (Junior Senator from Iowa and has a military background) - seemed to support but did not full out endorse Rubio. IMO, she does not have enough experience for the VP slot but is said to be on the short list.

Jan Brewer (former AZ governor) - she’s a woman and has conservative creds, has been a big Trump supporter and Trump surrogate on TV all along and certainly shares his border and illegal immigration positions but has no DC experience.

Mary Fallen (current governor of OK and a former congresswoman) – she IMO might be a good pick for Trump as aside from being a woman, she has both executive and legislative experience and is conservative. But she seems to have little name recognition outside of OK.

But I think Trump is navigating his ship through some narrow channels.

On one hand (even if he says he doesn’t need them) he has to smooth over and convince at least some of the #nevertrump Republicans and former Cruz and Kasich supporters or those conservatives who are “soft” or wary of supporting him, by picking a VP candidate who has some conservative credentials.

On the other hand, as Trump is counting on pulling in the #neverhillary Democrats - the blue collar, ant-immigration and pro-US-Jobs, protectionist Sanders supporters, Trump realistically can’t shift too far to the right in his VP pick.

But most of all he needs someone who knows their way around DC and Congress and someone who can help him push through his legislation (unless Trump really intends to by-pass Congress with EO’s) which may sometimes mean brokering and making compromise deals with the Democrats, in other words, someone who can work with both sides of the aisle – Art Of The Deal.

So who do I think it will be?

Going out on a limb here, but I’m thinking it may be Paul Ryan.

 :whistle:

Don’t laugh.

Ryan has not yet said unequivocally that he wouldn’t support Trump, but that he was “just not ready to yet”.

At a presser earlier today, Ryan seemed a bit conciliatory and seemed to leave the door open by saying that the party needs to unify in order to defeat Clinton (seemingly Ryan conceding that this is the GOP’s top priority). I’m looking for the quote that I read earlier today but can’t find it, but Trump seemed to back off from criticizing and has soften his tone toward Ryan. 

As noted above, also consider that Trump distanced himself from “free agent” Palin’s criticism of Ryan and openly supporting and endorsing his GOP opponent saying, “She’s a terrific person, but she’s very much a free agent and I didn’t know about this until yesterday,” Mr. Trump said. “I guess she’s been fighting, or she’s endorsing somebody that’s running against Paul Ryan, and I didn’t know about it until yesterday when I read about it.” And of Ryan, Trump said, “I’ve always liked him, He called me not so long ago, I don’t know, a number of weeks ago, but he called me and he was very supportive and very nice and I thought everything was fine, and then I got blindsided, so we’ll see.”

I think tomorrow’s meeting between Trump and Ryan may be very interesting. If Ryan comes out of the meeting and further softens his recalcitrance to endorsing Trump or comes out of the meeting saying he’s now ready to support him, I think Ryan could end up on the VP short list.

On the down side of thinking that Ryan could be Trump’s VP pick is that Ryan was Romney’s running mate in his failed 2012 run. But that could be spun as to Romney’s weakness as a candidate more than Ryan’s weakness as the VP pick. But it still could be a problem for those conservatives who see Ryan as a sellout as House Speaker.  Also on the down side for Ryan is that if Trump is likely to be beaten by Clinton, he’d be a two-time VP loser and I don’t really think he wants to take that risk for a future run himself as POTUS if Trump is likely to lose the in the General.

On the upside, Ryan could calm the fears of some who fear Trump as being too far left or not constitutionally conservative or conservative enough, if he could seemingly pull Trump into some more traditional conservative GOP base positions without too much alienating the middle or the blue collar Democrats, if Ryan can be seen as being “reasonable” and not a hardliner/severely “rightwinger”, if that could pull in enough unconvinced Republicans and Democratic cross over voters and mean a Trump victory with Ryan as VP, it could work.

Although Ryan’s seemingly “free trade” and immigration positions could be a negative for both conservatives, Trump supporters and the blue collar Democrats/#neverhillary/Bernie supporters, if Ryan could get Trump to moderate on some issues like taxes and entitlements and Trump getting Ryan to come around to some of Trump’s positions…..

At this point I don’t see anything that Trump does, even something so way out of the box like picking Ryan as VP as being a negative for Trump’s most ardent supporters. Those ardent Trump supporters IMO will see anything Trump does or says as being “brilliant”, “pragmatic”, “common sense”….

All I can say is that stranger things have happened and this is certainly the very strangest election cycle in all of my 55 years.

Now as to the less serious response – Ivanka Trump for VP! :thud:

But while I’m joking, it’s not a crazy as some of what I’ve seen on another site whose name I will not mention.

I’ve actually seen some posters there proposing Ivanka or Donald Jr. or Eric Trump as Trump’s VP. And if they were not serious, if they were trolling, I would have laughed.

There was even one poster who said that the VP pick should be Donald Jr. and when he becomes POTUS, his sister Ivanka becomes VP, then Eric and so on and so on down through the family line all the way to Baron. And no, it did not seem that the poster was trying to be funny.  **nononono*
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: EC on May 11, 2016, 09:29:02 pm
Thank you, Sir! An excellent analysis.  :beer:
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 11, 2016, 09:35:09 pm
There aren't really many good choices, are they?   Most of the good ones have probably burned their bridges with Trump, who doesn't forget a slight.   The others tend to lack experience (Ernst), come from states that won't be in play in November (Christie, Perry), or simply aren't all that well known to help counter Trump's weaknesses.

Trump's first task is a bit of honest self-evaluation - he's got to realize what his deficiencies are,  and why so many folks are scared that he lacks the temperament to be President.   His second task is to figure out what voters he's trying to attract.  Is he trying to persuade conservatives, or is he more interested in wooing Sanders supporters who share his big government and mercantilist ideas, and who are turned off by social conservatism?

I put myself in Trump's shoes, and keep coming back to the same conclusion - the one who makes the most sense is Jim Webb.  He helps the most in terms of tempering Trump's fear factor - he projects as a steady hand and an experienced counselor, both as to military matters and the marshaling of the federal bureaucracy.  He also has bi-partisan ties in the Senate.   He can truly help Trump govern and would immediately raise Trump's stature without contradicting his essential themes.  Meanwhile, he won't turn off the Sanders supporters (he's liberal on social issues) and he's on record as opposing Clinton within the context of the Democratic party.   Finally, he's from a swing state that Trump absolutely has to win.     

   
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: RetBobbyMI on May 11, 2016, 10:21:02 pm
Trump risks HIS base no matter which direction he goes.  If his picks someone from the right, he risks the Dems he wants to draw from.  If he goes left, he risks losing the NeverTrumps AND the maybeTrumps.  If he picks from HIS center, he risks losing the rest of the country.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: MACVSOG68 on May 11, 2016, 11:50:31 pm
OK - you wanted some serious input….

Excellent post Neverdul.  Great analysis, without the one-liner BS.  I like Ryan and see where you're going with that.  Problem is he won't bring in the #nevertrumps as they don't think much of the Speaker.  Trump's problem as you pointed out is going too far to the right and walking away from the #neverhillary voters.  I still like Kasich and Martinez, as well as Haley, but I note your concern with Haley, again who might not bring in many #nevertrump votes.  But you've made some great, thought-provoking points.   :beer:

 
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Free Vulcan on May 12, 2016, 05:10:29 am
Unfortunately, this fellow has gone on to his reward. It's a shame, because he and The Donald would have made a heck of a hair band, if not a presidential team.

Beam me up Scotty!
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: RetBobbyMI on May 12, 2016, 11:51:02 am
Beam me up Scotty!
Now there's an idea. Trump could tap Gov Brown from granola land and sandwich the country in left and right coast liberal though.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 12, 2016, 11:57:39 am
Excellent post Neverdul.  Great analysis, without the one-liner BS.  I like Ryan and see where you're going with that.  Problem is he won't bring in the #nevertrumps as they don't think much of the Speaker.  Trump's problem as you pointed out is going too far to the right and walking away from the #neverhillary voters.  I still like Kasich and Martinez, as well as Haley, but I note your concern with Haley, again who might not bring in many #nevertrump votes.  But you've made some great, thought-provoking points.   :beer:

 

Excuse me?

Ryan's great as far as I'm concerned.  I hope he has the good sense to steer clear of a career-ending dalliance with the Orange Baboon.  He's also too much of an independent thinker, IMHO, and we know for a fact that Saint Donald hates people who don't kowtow to his personal commands. 
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 12, 2016, 11:58:58 am
Now there's an idea. Trump could tap Gov Brown from granola land and sandwich the country in left and right coast liberal though.

Too bad he can't go for Ahhhnold, another liberal in republican clothing, if it's bicoastalism he wants. 
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: MACVSOG68 on May 12, 2016, 12:26:47 pm
Excuse me?

Ryan's great as far as I'm concerned.  I hope he has the good sense to steer clear of a career-ending dalliance with the Orange Baboon.  He's also too much of an independent thinker, IMHO, and we know for a fact that Saint Donald hates people who don't kowtow to his personal commands.

You're excused.

I like Ryan too and believe he has a good future and will no doubt have presidential aspirations in the future.  But he has been excoriated by many on the right as a traitor to the GOP after the omnibus spending bill.  Selecting him for the VP slop wouldn't bring many from the right who've written Ryan off and even want him primaried.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 12, 2016, 01:00:38 pm
Excuse me?

Ryan's great as far as I'm concerned.  I hope he has the good sense to steer clear of a career-ending dalliance with the Orange Baboon.  He's also too much of an independent thinker, IMHO, and we know for a fact that Saint Donald hates people who don't kowtow to his personal commands.

Man...are you in for a surprise!      :whistle:
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 12, 2016, 04:27:51 pm
Still be better than Hillary/Commie, La Raza.

(http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/09/04/DSC_0665.jpg)

If Hillary picks Julian Castro as VP, it is all over but the shouting, possibly for the next 16 years.

I've been saying that since this guy spoke at the Dem convention.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: MACVSOG68 on May 12, 2016, 05:22:08 pm
If Hillary picks Julian Castro as VP, it is all over but the shouting, possibly for the next 16 years.

I've been saying that since this guy spoke at the Dem convention.

His pick is almost a given.  Been talked about for a long time going back to 2012.  If Hillary isn't indicted, he could well bring her across the finish line.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 12, 2016, 06:27:31 pm
His pick is almost a given.  Been talked about for a long time going back to 2012.  If Hillary isn't indicted, he could well bring her across the finish line.

He will bring her across the finish line.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: MACVSOG68 on May 12, 2016, 07:18:13 pm
He will bring her across the finish line.

I wouldn't bet against you, but in this election, nothing in history can predict this Fall campaign.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: wolfcreek on May 12, 2016, 08:10:43 pm
If Hillary picks Julian Castro as VP, it is all over but the shouting, possibly for the next 16 years.

I've been saying that since this guy spoke at the Dem convention.

He's a POS and you act as though we already lost.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on May 13, 2016, 02:42:10 am
He's a POS and you act as though we already lost.

Yes, he's a POS.

Yes, we've already lost.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 13, 2016, 02:44:39 am
Man...are you in for a surprise!      :whistle:

Yes massa, you gwine be da bes' massa evuh massa.  You be gwine tell dis po soul what best fo me.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Hoodat on May 13, 2016, 03:17:06 am
Cruz is a politician. Trump obviously is NOT. Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.

Cruz is a Conservative.  Trump, Clinton, and Sanders  are not.  Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 13, 2016, 03:39:56 am
Cruz is a Conservative.  Trump, Clinton, and Sanders  are not.  Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.

There are degrees of conservatism. Right wing ideologues will not win a national election now or the foreseeable future. Clinton and Sanders are left wing liberals. Trump is a moderate conservative who supports the 2nd Amendment and secure borders. A superior choice to either liberal. Sad that you are so blind.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on May 13, 2016, 07:58:20 am
There are degrees of conservatism. Right wing ideologues will not win a national election now or the foreseeable future. Clinton and Sanders are left wing liberals. Trump is a moderate conservative who supports the 2nd Amendment and secure borders. A superior choice to either liberal. Sad that you are so blind.

Hillary was an unusually weak candidate who probably could have been beaten by either Cruz or now Trump, IMO. Just from what I've observed among friends the past few weeks.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: wolfcreek on May 13, 2016, 03:27:30 pm
Yes, he's a POS.

Yes, we've already lost.

Confessions of your mouth......
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: wolfcreek on May 13, 2016, 03:30:54 pm
Cruz is a Conservative.  Trump, Clinton, and Sanders  are not.  Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.


Sad you don't see the glaring differences.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: wolfcreek on May 13, 2016, 03:34:07 pm
Hillary was an unusually weak candidate who probably could have been beaten by either Cruz or now Trump, IMO. Just from what I've observed among friends the past few weeks.

That's true but, some posters here gave up on beating her long ago.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Jazzhead on May 13, 2016, 04:46:35 pm
That's true but, some posters here gave up on beating her long ago.

No one here wants to see Hillary Clinton as our next President.   That's why so many of us have fought so hard to nominate someone other than Donald Trump.  It's up to Trump to overcome the doubts about his principles and temperament.  Otherwise it's Nixon vs. Nixon,  and I for one would rather just vote for Pat Toomey.   
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 13, 2016, 04:50:44 pm
That's true but, some posters here gave up on beating her long ago.

Uh, no. We know that Hitlary and Donny are the same.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Free Vulcan on May 13, 2016, 06:12:04 pm
There are degrees of conservatism. Right wing ideologues will not win a national election now or the foreseeable future. Clinton and Sanders are left wing liberals. Trump is a moderate conservative who supports the 2nd Amendment and secure borders. A superior choice to either liberal. Sad that you are so blind.

So Trump is a moderate conservative in the tradition of John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, and...Richard Nixon.

So in other words, he's GOPe.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Hoodat on May 13, 2016, 06:58:26 pm
There are degrees of conservatism.

There is no degree of Conservatism that supports Kelo.  And there is no degree of Conservatism that defends taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood.


Clinton and Sanders are left wing liberals.

When it comes to Kelo, Trump lines up far to the left of Sanders.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 13, 2016, 07:28:26 pm
So Trump is a moderate conservative in the tradition of John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, and...Richard Nixon.

So in other words, he's GOPe.

You have a great imagination. Do you write fiction for a livelihood?
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 13, 2016, 07:54:05 pm
There is no degree of Conservatism that supports Kelo.  And there is no degree of Conservatism that defends taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood.


When it comes to Kelo, Trump lines up far to the left of Sanders.

Kelo was decided by the SCOTUS. So it makes little difference how you or I perceive it. Do you believe a POTUS can overturn it?


PP deserves no more funding than the DOE or EPA. Congress sees to it that they are funded. We know who has been in congress and it isn't or wasn't Trump.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: RetBobbyMI on May 13, 2016, 07:57:35 pm
So all you Trump advocates are ok with his position

-- that mothers can murder their unborn if they so choose?

-- that the government should continue funding Planned Parenthood so THEY can continue helping a mother murdering their unborn kids?

-- for continued support of bloated government beauracies and their continued intrusion into our lives and takeover of states rights?

-- to continue the IRS and maintaining multiple tax rates to facilitate social injustice?

-- to continue registration of personal firearms so the government can come after you?

-- that eminent domain and the government right to take your property is fair and just?
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: EC on May 13, 2016, 08:00:09 pm
Bobby, you missed the latest.

Trump doesn't have positions. He has "suggestions." http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,206425.0/topicseen.html
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: pogo101 on May 13, 2016, 08:02:33 pm
Kelo was decided by the SCOTUS. So it makes little difference how you or I perceive it. Do you believe a POTUS can overturn it?


PP deserves no more funding than the DOE or EPA. Congress sees to it that they are funded. We know who has been in congress and it isn't or wasn't Trump.

Forgive me, but you're dodging. 

Trump is pro-Kelo.  That matters.  It can be presumed that he will appoint pro-Kelo SCOTUS justices.  That matters.

Trump is pro-abortuary funding with taxpayer dollars.  That matters.  Trump can and presumably will veto any effort to strip such funding by Congress.  That matters.  The President also has great influence over what Congress even attempts to do, and has the bully pulpit to influence the electorate.  That matters.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: RetBobbyMI on May 13, 2016, 08:23:06 pm
Bobby, you missed the latest.

Trump doesn't have positions. He has "suggestions." http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,206425.0/topicseen.html
Ha Ha! I heard something about that while I was out and about this morning running my errands. Maybe Trump will have a NEW apprentice reality show where he can find new project managers to solve the country's problems.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 13, 2016, 09:02:48 pm
So all you Trump advocates are ok with his position

-- that mothers can murder their unborn if they so choose?

-- that the government should continue funding Planned Parenthood so THEY can continue helping a mother murdering their unborn kids?

-- for continued support of bloated government beauracies and their continued intrusion into our lives and takeover of states rights?

-- to continue the IRS and maintaining multiple tax rates to facilitate social injustice?

-- to continue registration of personal firearms so the government can come after you?

-- that eminent domain and the government right to take your property is fair and just?

The SCOTUS has decided most of what you posted. No POTUS can overturn the decisions. The drama queen act is getting old.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: pogo101 on May 13, 2016, 09:07:53 pm
The SCOTUS has decided most of what you posted. No POTUS can overturn the decisions. The drama queen act is getting old.
What's getting old are (1) about half of the SCOTUS justices and (2) your willful refusal to deal with the fact that the President alone nominates their replacements. 

You're trying to have us believe that Trump as President will have no more impact on these policy issues than would Cruz, or Hillary.

Stop the act.

It matters that Trump is way off to the left of the other GOP options.  Sure, he's prrrrrrrrobably (not sure) better than Hillary in terms of the judges he'd nominate. 

But don't sit there and tell us that SCOTUS is some disconnected body on high whose composition the President cannot influence.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 13, 2016, 09:14:42 pm
What's getting old are (1) about half of the SCOTUS justices and (2) your willful refusal to deal with the fact that the President alone nominates their replacements. 

You're trying to have us believe that Trump as President will have no more impact on these policy issues than would Cruz, or Hillary.

Stop the act.

It matters that Trump is way off to the left of the other GOP options.  Sure, he's prrrrrrrrobably (not sure) better than Hillary in terms of the judges he'd nominate. 

But don't sit there and tell us that SCOTUS is some disconnected body on high whose composition the President cannot influence.

The POTUS nominates, he doesn't confirm. Trump isn't stupid, like you neverTrumps seem to believe.

Hell, Cruz couldn't influence his peers in congress. Trump actually has a chance of influencing congress and accomplishing improvements in border security, the military and trade.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: sinkspur on May 13, 2016, 09:19:18 pm
The POTUS nominates, he doesn't confirm. Trump isn't stupid, like you neverTrumps seem to believe.


Anybody who publicly mocks the handicapped and trashes POWs is goddamned stupid!!!
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: pogo101 on May 13, 2016, 09:19:29 pm
The POTUS nominates, he doesn't confirm. Trump isn't stupid, like you neverTrumps seem to believe.

Hell, Cruz couldn't influence his peers in congress. Trump actually has a chance of influencing congress and accomplishing improvements in border security, the military and trade.
Wait, wait, a minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Kelo (which Trump supports), only SCOTUS.
A minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Roe (which Trump supports, along with taxpayer funding to PP), only SCOTUS.
Now? When I called you on your dodging, you try to flip the script and say, in effect, "Uh, yeah, SCOTUS suddenly matters to me!  But um, Cruz wasn't successful, and Trump will be, because TRUMP!"

You're the inaugural member of my Ignore List.  Not because you're for Trump, but because you are not arguing in good faith.  Please add me to yours.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 13, 2016, 09:25:58 pm
Anybody who publicly mocks the handicapped and trashes POWs is goddamned stupid!!!

Your incessant whining is even moreso.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: DCPatriot on May 13, 2016, 09:57:08 pm
Anybody who publicly mocks the handicapped and trashes POWs is goddamned stupid!!!

Deep breaths, buddy!      :laugh:
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Wingnut on May 13, 2016, 09:59:12 pm
Wait, wait, a minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Kelo (which Trump supports), only SCOTUS.
A minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Roe (which Trump supports, along with taxpayer funding to PP), only SCOTUS.
Now? When I called you on your dodging, you try to flip the script and say, in effect, "Uh, yeah, SCOTUS suddenly matters to me!  But um, Cruz wasn't successful, and Trump will be, because TRUMP!"

You're the inaugural member of my Ignore List.  Not because you're for Trump, but because you are not arguing in good faith.  Please add me to yours.

Point of fact @pogo101 .  He is the undisputed king of the ignore.  Infact I asked @mystery-ak to remane "Ignore Button" to the "A-Lert Button" in his honor.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 13, 2016, 10:46:28 pm
Wait, wait, a minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Kelo (which Trump supports), only SCOTUS.
A minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Roe (which Trump supports, along with taxpayer funding to PP), only SCOTUS.
Now? When I called you on your dodging, you try to flip the script and say, in effect, "Uh, yeah, SCOTUS suddenly matters to me!  But um, Cruz wasn't successful, and Trump will be, because TRUMP!"

You're the inaugural member of my Ignore List.  Not because you're for Trump, but because you are not arguing in good faith.  Please add me to yours.

You're confused. The POTUS can NOT overturn SCOTUS decisions.

Cruz was unpopular with his peers and apparently wasn't that popular with the electorate. Cruz comes off as impersonal, staid and a right wing ideologue. Trump has a better chance of being successful because he can be persuasive. All evidence indicates Cruz can't be or isn't persuasive.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 13, 2016, 10:48:01 pm
Point of fact @pogo101 .  He is the undisputed king of the ignore.  Infact I asked @mystery-ak to remane "Ignore Button" to the "A-Lert Button" in his honor.

 8888crybaby 88finger point
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: RetBobbyMI on May 14, 2016, 12:57:06 am
The SCOTUS has decided most of what you posted. No POTUS can overturn the decisions. The drama queen act is getting old.
SCOTUS decided Obamacare is a tax too, but doesn't make it right. Courts have said Obama acted illegally on immigration too, but didn't stop him.

As for the name calling, I will not respond. The any drama is how liberal you buddy running for President is.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Free Vulcan on May 16, 2016, 03:29:13 pm
You have a great imagination. Do you write fiction for a livelihood?

Do you think retorts in clever little word arrangments actually pass for real thought?

Trump is the incarnation of Nixon. Everybody sees it but the Trumpers.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: Free Vulcan on May 16, 2016, 03:30:23 pm
You're confused. The POTUS can NOT overturn SCOTUS decisions.

Cruz was unpopular with his peers and apparently wasn't that popular with the electorate. Cruz comes off as impersonal, staid and a right wing ideologue. Trump has a better chance of being successful because he can be persuasive. All evidence indicates Cruz can't be or isn't persuasive.

And yet he polled better than Trump in the general at every turn.
Title: Re: Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?
Post by: A-Lert on May 16, 2016, 07:11:35 pm
And yet he polled better than Trump in the general at every turn.

If polls were 100% accurate we wouldn't need elections would we?