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Spare me the "Make America Great Again" answers......please.
I generally ask that question of people who use general statements when talking about societal goals.
For instance, I was at a school function when a lawmaker said "We want every child to get a good education". So I raised my hand and asked....
1. Can you define a "good education" for me.
2. Who decided that (assuming you can define it, which is generally a bad assumption) what a good education is ?
3. How will you know you've accomplished this goal ? What metrics are you using ?
4. What if a child does not want to be "educated" or refuses to cooperate ?
So when someone says "Let's make America great again." I sometimes ask....
1. When was it great before (can you give me dates) ?
2. What made it great ?
3. Who decided that ? Is it generally accepted ?
4. How will you know when it is great again ? How will you know you accomplished what you set out to do ?
For me, America is a wonderful country. I can't imagine NOT having the liberties we have now.
So, I would be curious to hear specifics from anyone who might care to share them with me. BTW: If you hold up something and say "that's what makes us great", like our military spending....I am going to ask.....How is that a metric ?
Looking forward to some well thought out responses.
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Suppose it's like pornography: You know it when you see it.
And we're not seeing it today.
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Spare me the "Make America Great Again" answers......please.
I generally ask that question of people who use general statements when talking about societal goals.
For instance, I was at a school function when a lawmaker said "We want every child to get a good education". So I raised my hand and asked....
1. Can you define a "good education" for me.
2. Who decided that (assuming you can define it, which is generally a bad assumption) what a good education is ?
3. How will you know you've accomplished this goal ? What metrics are you using ?
4. What if a child does not want to be "educated" or refuses to cooperate ?
So when someone says "Let's make America great again." I sometimes ask....
1. When was it great before (can you give me dates) ?
2. What made it great ?
3. Who decided that ? Is it generally accepted ?
4. How will you know when it is great again ? How will you know you accomplished what you set out to do ?
For me, America is a wonderful country. I can't imagine NOT having the liberties we have now.
So, I would be curious to hear specifics from anyone who might care to share them with me. BTW: If you hold up something and say "that's what makes us great", like our military spending....I am going to ask.....How is that a metric ?
Looking forward to some well thought out responses.
To me, what makes America great is its citizens. I personally believe that Americans don’t hate each other as much as the media and some in the elected class want us to believe. We have seen many instances when the American people see their fellow citizens in trouble or in need of assistance, they open their checkbooks and send money. We saw an example of this after 9/11.
I don’t know if there’s a metric for that. But that’s what I think makes America great.
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Do new threads no longer require a link to a source in the Politics/Government Forum @Cyber Liberty
If not, please move this to the correct forum.
Thanks.
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Here ya go - https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,528003.msg2993100.html#msg2993100
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Here ya go - https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,528003.msg2993100.html#msg2993100
yogi555
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Here ya go - https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,528003.msg2993100.html#msg2993100
Actually, this is quite clever, especially from you. Well done.
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When you want a real answer founded in Reagan - The REAL 'Make America Great Again' president, call me back.
It sure as hell ain't what y'all are buying into now.
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Actually, this is quite clever, especially from you. Well done.
So what are the rules? I was thinking Editorials, but you may have a valid point here, @Right_in_Virginia . Is this category for media stories only?
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So what are the rules? I was thinking Editorials, but you may have a valid point here, @Right_in_Virginia . Is this category for media stories only?
? I'm thinking 'Editorials' as well @Hoodat @Right_in_Virginia perhaps 'General Discussion'.
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Original content goes here.
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? I'm thinking 'Editorials' as well @Hoodat @Right_in_Virginia perhaps 'General Discussion'.
General Discussion might be best..... Editorial/Original Content is another option ---- but this forum has few visitors.
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? I'm thinking 'Editorials' as well @Hoodat @Right_in_Virginia perhaps 'General Discussion'.
Looks like that question got answered.
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MAGA to me is the voice of the people who want to take their country back; back away from the federal government and powers returned to the states. The people are supposed to be the government. After all this is supposed to be a government of the people by the people.
Trump represents MAGA -- he is their voice, not the other way around as some are disillusioned.
Yes America is great, but for how long? MAGA -- In the essence that our freedoms known as the Bill of Rights are under attack, being trampled on and we have an invasion at our borders; by land and sea. If these freedoms continue to be under attack by our government on both sides of the aisle we are not going to have a country/Republic left.
Therefore;
I Believe in the United States of America as a Government of the people, by the people, for the people, whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign nation of many sovereign states; a perfect union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes.
I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it; to support its Constitution; to obey its laws; to respect its flag; and to defend it against all enemies.
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Original content goes here.
Thanks.
I figured you'd get it where it needed to be.
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MAGA to me is the voice of the people who want to take their country back;
That's a nice thought.
But it does nothing to answer my questions.
Right now MAGA is simply a sales pitch, nothing more.
I voted for Trump twice, in spite of the fact that I don't really like him as a person.
But, we are living in a world of these silly sales pitches and the intellectually lazy of this country are being suckered in all over the place.
Just like BBS (Bidens Bull S***), Build Back Better. What a crock and a worse crock as it has centralized government written all over it.
Hopefully someone can answer my questions.
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Trump represents MAGA -- he is their voice, not the other way around as some are disillusioned.
What does Trump represent ? That is what I am asking.
MAGA somehow implies America is not great now. It has "fallen".
Are we creating a Chimera so somone can be Bellerophon ?
It's an honest question.
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Well, as to the education question:
When the guy dumping the boot actually can read the directions on the heel, in English, and understand them, we'll be making progress.
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That's a nice thought.
But it does nothing to answer my questions.
Right now MAGA is simply a sales pitch, nothing more.
I voted for Trump twice, in spite of the fact that I don't really like him as a person.
But, we are living in a world of these silly sales pitches and the intellectually lazy of this country are being suckered in all over the place.
Just like BBS (Bidens Bull S***), Build Back Better. What a crock and a worse crock as it has centralized government written all over it.
Hopefully someone can answer my questions.
@HikerGuy83 Sales pitch? No. It isn't a sales pitch. Taking our Republic back to me and others is critical. She is hanging by a very, very thin string.
MAGA is a slogan -- I tried to convey to you what it means to me. I was pretty specific. Perhaps you didn't understand my point.
However, if you are calling my beliefs a crock - because you feel I am giving you some kind of sales pitch, then a) you don't know me very well and b) this conversation is over.
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To me, what makes America great is its citizens. I personally believe that Americans don’t hate each other as much as the media and some in the elected class want us to believe. We have seen many instances when the American people see their fellow citizens in trouble or in need of assistance, they open their checkbooks and send money. We saw an example of this after 9/11.
I don’t know if there’s a metric for that. But that’s what I think makes America great.
I would suspect then, that you don't really buy into the whole MAGA concept ?
You think we are there.
I would not argue one way or the other. I am just asking if that is the case.
I love the United States of America. I love our freedoms.
MAGA might mean kicking all of congess out and starting all over again.....say with depression era grandmothers if you can find them. People who know how to love what they have and don't get caught up in advertising or wokeism.
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Actually, this is quite clever, especially from you. Well done.
Thanks.
I'll ignore the insult.
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@HikerGuy83 Sales pitch? No. It isn't a sales pitch. Taking our Republic back to me and others is critical. She is hanging by a very, very thin string.
MAGA is a slogan -- I tried to convey to you what it means to me. I was pretty specific. Perhaps you didn't understand my point.
However, if you are calling my beliefs a crock - because you feel I am giving you some kind of sales pitch, then a) you don't know me very well and b) this conversation is over.
Your beliefs are your beliefs and your opinions are your opinions. You are welcomed to them all day long and I certainly won't argue with them.
However, I am entitled to mine too.
And I don't see anyone saying stuff like....
Well, our school systems were #this, but now they are #that.....
Or, our standard of living (however that is measured) has fallen.
Or, our crime rates (as a nation) are terrible (of course, you'd have to tell me what an acceptible crime rate is)....
But something tangible.
So, to me (in my opinion) it's a sales pitch.
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Back to basic folks.....
MAGA = Make America Great Again
Implies
1. America was once great.
2. America is no longer great.
3. America must be "MADE" great again.
Pretty simple stuff.
I just think the term has been co-opted.
Just like Bush 1 labeled Dukakis a "liberal" and thus ruined the term liberal for everyone.
Liberals are not left-wingers.
I love liberal thinkers.
Left wingers can suck it.
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I just think the term has been co-opted.
Just like Bush 1 labeled Dukakis a "liberal" and thus ruined the term liberal for everyone.
Just like the Klan co-opted the Confederate battle flag.
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Just like BBS (Bidens Bull S***), Build Back Better. What a crock and a worse crock as it has centralized government written all over it.
That ain't Biden. Well, it is (also stolen slogan)... That springs from the lips of Davos.
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When you want a real answer founded in Reagan - The REAL 'Make America Great Again' president, call me back.
It sure as hell ain't what y'all are buying into now.
Great to me will be when our government stops spending more than it's incoming revenues. That isn't Biden.. That isn't Trump, and in fact it hasn't been actively discussed much since the 1980's
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The new MAGA represents a Populist Movement, similar to the 3 or 4 times it's been tried before in this Country to end in failure and it symbolizing people giving up and grasping for their last straws.
If Trump's the answer, what was the question, again?
Which is something our resident Trumpers can't answer.
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Great to me will be when our government stops spending more than it's incoming revenues. That isn't Biden.. That isn't Trump, and in fact it hasn't been actively discussed much since the 1980's
You know this about me, but the fiscal issues really ain't my bag - They are damned important to me, but only as a bellwether... Smaller money means smaller government, which is my thrust. I want liberty, and that can't happen with an overweening government.
So color me as a fiscal conservative if you must - That's fine - But the money's just a way of keeping score. An austere government is a small government happy77
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Suppose it's like pornography: You know it when you see it.
And we're not seeing it today.
@DCPatriot
What is it that you are not seeing ?
I see a stupid federal government, but that has been the case for 24 years (at least).
But I still feel I enjoy the blessings of liberty to just about the fullest.
The media can paint something that my experience tells me is garbage.
I know we have issues. But at least we won't have to revolt to fix them (and to those who say we will have to revolt.....I say "GARBAGE").
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Great to me will be when our government stops spending more than it's incoming revenues. That isn't Biden.. That isn't Trump, and in fact it hasn't been actively discussed much since the 1980's
A metric !!!!!!
Thanks for sharing.
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That ain't Biden. Well, it is (also stolen slogan)... That springs from the lips of Davos.
It is Biden (of course he stole it....it's his M.O.).
But it is also a Sales Pitch. It's garbage that is meant to reach out and grab his worshippers by the rings through their noses and lead them over the cliff.
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You know this about me, but the fiscal issues really ain't my bag - They are damned important to me, but only as a bellwether... Smaller money means smaller government, which is my thrust. I want liberty, and that can't happen with an overweening government.
So color me as a fiscal conservative if you must - That's fine - But the money's just a way of keeping score. An austere government is a small government happy77
I think our state and local governments do more to restrict and deny liberty than the federal idiots.
My opinion.
My HOA is a real PITA.
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Some good discussion.
If I put a MAGA person on the spot by calling them out, you can bet I do that same thing (more often) to any lefties I deal with.
It's a matter of specifics.
Build Back Better.
What was built that has to be rebuilt ?
What will be better about it ?
Usually, I get some garbage about social justice. And I ask what is that ? And they get disgusted and shut down. They don't like being pinned down.
I am more than willing to listen to a point of view. But don't give me a sales pitch.
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@catfish1957 mentioned federal spending (as a function of revenue) as being a metric.
I agree that is a starting point for a particular discussion.
Federal metrics should be few as the federal government should be small (per Madison in Federalist 45.....).
State, County and City metrics should be increasingly important as they are what run our lives in many more nitpicky ways.
And yet, we talk so little of them.
What does the federal government now fund that it should not.
Great to me might (notice I said might as I have not fully defined it) be making an explicit list of things the federal government funds and cutting the list in half.
Just a thought. But something that could be measured and tracked.
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The new MAGA represents a Populist Movement, similar to the 3 or 4 times it's been tried before in this Country to end in failure and it symbolizing people giving up and grasping for their last straws.
If Trump's the answer, what was the question, again?
Which is something our resident Trumpers can't answer.
I can't argue against your point.
One of the issues I have right now is that there are no good candidates being developed beyond Trump.
If he gets elected.....he gets four years. Then what happens in 2028 ? He can't still be allowed to run the show (even though he'll try for a third term).
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It is Biden (of course he stole it....it's his M.O.).
But it is also a Sales Pitch. It's garbage that is meant to reach out and grab his worshippers by the rings through their noses and lead them over the cliff.
While I don't deny that aspect, no it seems to be a more concerted effort. I have read the very same phrase out of the mouths of leaders in Davos, Austrailia, Canada and variously in Europe.... It's coming out of Davos. As did the covid response. I dare say had not the red states in the US and Canada not made such a stink, the communist take-over of the west would already be complete.
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I think our state and local governments do more to restrict and deny liberty than the federal idiots.
My opinion.
My HOA is a real PITA.
As is their right - and within your reach to object.
I would not be caught dead in a HOA controlled domicile, not to mention a town.
We all have levels we'll submit to I suppose... My own line is at the county... sometimes. But it's a gray area. :whistle:
I am not without the recognition of law. And I prefer it best closest to the People. So I find far more ability to submit the closer it gets to my door. As for potentates three thousand miles away - I pay them less mind than any. State a little more, county a little more.
And I have been known to actively move to change things within my control. I don't bend over for any of em.
But local LEOs have far more jurisdiction in my business than others (further away) do.
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MAGA. It has no formality, no structure, no platform that I can see. It is an appropriated but effective slogan that indeed rallies many while making others apoplectic. It is alternatively a badge of honor and a pejorative. It is political.
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As is their right - and within your reach to object.
I would not be caught dead in a HOA controlled domicile, not to mention a town.
We all have levels we'll submit to I suppose... My own line is at the county... sometimes. But it's a gray area. :whistle:
I am not without the recognition of law. And I prefer it best closest to the People. So I find far more ability to submit the closer it gets to my door. As for potentates three thousand miles away - I pay them less mind than any. State a little more, county a little more.
And I have been known to actively move to change things within my control. I don't bend over for any of em.
But local LEOs have far more jurisdiction in my business than others (further away) do.
My HOA about 30 years ago, is the only time I ever had the cops called on me. Well me and aboout 30 others.
Our gestapo HOA sent us notices/fines in a 3 year period for:
1. Leaving bags of mulch on the driveway during their inspection....Fine
2. We replaced our storm door (exact replacement) without notifying the Archetechial Commitee....Fine
3. Kid left his Big Wheel on the Sidewalk during inspection- Fine.
Then, before we left a lesser quality, non-standard Builder developed adjacent (actually and including across the street) to us. These homes listed new for about 80% of the rest in the sub-division. Our HOA welcomed them into the fold without input from residents, and lesseed the standards for these new residents
Half our crowd at the next HOA meeting went ape shit angry, and it got so heated the board called the cops. When the cops arrived they chided the board for calling, since no fists were thrown. Still, these little pencil d--'s were drunk with power, and used it foor fun.
My advise to home buyers...... Avoid any home that is in an HOA.
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My HOA about 30 years ago, is the only time I ever had the cops called on me. Well me and aboout 30 others.
Our gestapo HOA sent us notices/fines in a 3 year period for:
1. Leaving bags of mulch on the driveway during their inspection....Fine
2. We replaced our storm door (exact replacement) without notifying the Archetechial Commitee....Fine
3. Kid left his Big Wheel on the Sidewalk during inspection- Fine.
Then, before we left a lesser quality, non-standard Builder developed adjacent (actually and including across the street) to us. These homes listed new aboout 80% of the rest in the sub-division. Our HOA welcomed them into the fold without input from residents, and lessening the standards for these new residents
Half our crowd at the next HOA went ape shit angry, and it got so heated the board called the cops. When the cops arrived they chided the board for calling, since no fists were thrown. Still, these little pencil d--'s were drunk with power.
My advise to home buyers...... Avoid any home that is in an HOA.
None for me thanks. If it weren't for this back thing I'd be sitting on the porch of my cabin up the holler with *NO* reason for any fussy-pants Karen to be within 25 miles of it... To include county. Since it wasn't hooked to the grid (and never would be) and wasn't getting a septic system, there would not have been a permit pulled for anything.
That's where I like it... Pissin off my own porch. THAT is liberty.
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My HOA about 30 years ago, is the only time I ever had the cops called on me. Well me and aboout 30 others.
Our gestapo HOA sent us notices/fines in a 3 year period for:
1. Leaving bags of mulch on the driveway during their inspection....Fine
2. We replaced our storm door (exact replacement) without notifying the Archetechial Commitee....Fine
3. Kid left his Big Wheel on the Sidewalk during inspection- Fine.
Then, before we left a lesser quality, non-standard Builder developed adjacent (actually and including across the street) to us. These homes listed new aboout 80% of the rest in the sub-division. Our HOA welcomed them into the fold without input from residents, and lessening the standards for these new residents
Half our crowd at the next HOA went ape shit angry, and it got so heated the board called the cops. When the cops arrived they chided the board for calling, since no fists were thrown. Still, these little pencil d--'s were drunk with power.
My advise to home buyers...... Avoid any home that is in an HOA.
Good to know -- we were thinking awhile ago to sell and get into a condo. HOA fees would be about the same that we are now paying for similar services. Some condos that we considered their HOA fees were absolutely ridiculously high.
Lots of homes that we were looking at in northern GA have an HOA. It seems that more and more communities and homes have an HOA attached - just not condos or town homes.
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MAGA. It has no formality, no structure, no platform that I can see. It is an appropriated but effective slogan that indeed rallies many while making others apoplectic. It is alternatively a badge of honor and a pejorative. It is political.
I believe that MAGA started as a frame of mind of patriots taking political power away from the feds and returning it to the people.
However, over time I think it has become a power trip for those who feel Trump is the great saver of America.
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MAGA means LGBTQ.
Lets Get Biden To Quit.
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My HOA about 30 years ago, is the only time I ever had the cops called on me. Well me and aboout 30 others.
Our gestapo HOA sent us notices/fines in a 3 year period for:
1. Leaving bags of mulch on the driveway during their inspection....Fine
2. We replaced our storm door (exact replacement) without notifying the Archetechial Commitee....Fine
3. Kid left his Big Wheel on the Sidewalk during inspection- Fine.
Then, before we left a lesser quality, non-standard Builder developed adjacent (actually and including across the street) to us. These homes listed new for about 80% of the rest in the sub-division. Our HOA welcomed them into the fold without input from residents, and lesseed the standards for these new residents
Half our crowd at the next HOA meeting went ape shit angry, and it got so heated the board called the cops. When the cops arrived they chided the board for calling, since no fists were thrown. Still, these little pencil d--'s were drunk with power, and used it foor fun.
My advise to home buyers...... Avoid any home that is in an HOA.
Very instructional and to my point....that local stuff will screw with you more than the people and things discussed on FOX or PMSNBC.
Thanks for sharing.
When we lived in California, a developer proposed a 3,600 home subdivision that would empty out onto a single lane (each way) road. The EIR indicated the road should be expanded to 3 lanes as it was going to have to get to the highway that took many commuters to BART, Oakland, SF.
The city chucked the EIR and nobody sued. They didn't have the first phase done before that road became a major traffic mess for the new and existing subdivisons. Now, that would stress me out more than worrying about Biden and his stupid policies.
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I believe that MAGA started as a frame of mind of patriots taking political power away from the feds and returning it to the people.
However, over time I think it has become a power trip for those who feel Trump is the great saver of America.
I think MAGA attracted those kinds of Patriots. I sure liked what I heard. But it soon became apparent it was just a freaking sales pitch as those in power showed they only wanted more.
We really need the senate. I mean badly.
We can't afford to have Biden appoint Al Sharpton the SCOTUS.
But if we get it, I am going to be a lot less stressed if DJT loses (which I think he just might do).
If he loses and does not go away, MAGA needs to be shown the door. We are NOT doing this again.
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As is their right - and within your reach to object.
I would not be caught dead in a HOA controlled domicile, not to mention a town.
We all have levels we'll submit to I suppose... My own line is at the county... sometimes. But it's a gray area. :whistle:
I am not without the recognition of law. And I prefer it best closest to the People. So I find far more ability to submit the closer it gets to my door. As for potentates three thousand miles away - I pay them less mind than any. State a little more, county a little more.
And I have been known to actively move to change things within my control. I don't bend over for any of em.
But local LEOs have far more jurisdiction in my business than others (further away) do.
Lots of people don't like the HOA.
We need 170 people to make quorum.
Generally, there are 10 to 15 at the meetings.
You get what you don't vote for.
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Lots of people don't like the HOA.
We need 170 people to make quorum.
Generally, there are 10 to 15 at the meetings.
You get what you don't vote for.
Move. Get out in the country.
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I think the HOAs are the very beginning of the control.
As a former manager of high-rise and garden type condos I can confidently say that I would never buy into a situation that has control over my personal life. And then charge me to live there!!
But true to subject of this thread, I see the Government as giant HOAs. The President, Lege at the time have the power. It's all political and not tied to ability. Much like the BOD on a HOA.
So, in answer to the original question...I would say, get the Feds out of our lives. Period...end of story. I don't think MAGA will do that. It's a slogan.
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Move. Get out in the country.
I’m so happy to be living in the country. We have a fresh blanket of snow and if I told you all the wildlife I have seen today you’d think I was lying.
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Ultimately, the "meaning" of "MAGA" is in the view of the beholder.
IMHO ....
I literally interpret "MAGA" to be death cult of personality dedicated to Donald J. Trump.
I figuratively interpret "MAGA" as an umbrella for those whom the American political system no longer represents nor serves.
Many are being left out and left behind by current structural defects in our media, economy, and government, and have chosen the label(s) of Occupy Wall Street, Tea Party, Freedom Caucus, Progressives, and/or MAGA.
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I’m so happy to be living in the country. We have a fresh blanket of snow and if I told you all the wildlife I have seen today you’d think I was lying.
Oh no... Not me. That's my whole thing. I KNOW how that is. Just a few thousand feet higher up in the tall pines... But I can imagine the same thing.
One of the places I like to go in the winter bears my mark in the way of a blaze I cut in to find my way into a camp. I nearly couldn't find it the first time I tried to go in the summer, because those blazes were so high up in the trees that I wasn't looking way up there. Those marks are around 15 feet up. So when I cut those marks with my hatchet, I was standing on 10 feet of snow.
Under that much snow, the world is dead. Folks don't know what that is, out where the plows never ran...
It is such a secret thing. But that same place is a south-facing mountainside, and while the valley floor is still covered, that little oasis melts off. You snowshoe in from the north, where the road is. Up through a cut, camp for the night. Over the top, you come down into a hanging valley, and quite suddenly you're stepping down off the snow and there's flies buzzing and fiddleheads and wild onions everywhere
And full of life. Chock full. Everybody wants to be there in that beautiful little piece of spring.
Oh, I know that.
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Nice topic.
The literalist answer - the answer without regard to context - is that it means whatever the particular person making the statement believes it to mean. It's kind of like when you see the (ironically enough...) MAGA types use the phrase "We The People" as if it was intended to apply just to people who think as they do. Then you see hardcore leftists also using that "We The People" assertion as if it clearly is meant to refer to them and their constituents. So literally, "Make America Great Again" would be in the eye of the beholder.
But if you use that phrase in its current political context, I think you'd only really get agreement on 1) Support for Donald Trump, and 2) Much less immigration, both illegal (especially) and legal.
Other than that, there isn't really a consistently discernable and concrete meaning.
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Other than that, there isn't really a consistently discernable and concrete meaning.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Thank you for the assessment.
I think you described what I think in many ways.
So far, my experience (and this thread is consistent with that) has been that MAGA is a rallying cry and sales pitch.
Nobody in politics defines meaningful objectives anymore (not sure they ever did).
As an example, I would love a good conversation around health care.
I am not a fan of the idea of a federal health care system. But I would not rule it out.
But to really decided there is a lot of information needed and you don't get that.
You simply get the slogans of the day.
You recall....Republican Health Care ==> Die Quickly
Alan Grayson was just as much a jackass as the worst of our political hacks.
And I see MAGA in the same light.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Thank you for the assessment.
I think you described what I think in many ways.
So far, my experience (and this thread is consistent with that) has been that MAGA is a rallying cry and sales pitch.
Nobody in politics defines meaningful objectives anymore (not sure they ever did).
@HikerGuy83
There are just too many examples of Trump doing a 180 without his supporters batting an eye to conclude there is much there besides a personal commitment to Trump (and immigration). There's also the vague sloganeering of "America First", but exactly what that means seems to be highly malleable as well.
The most recent example of this was on support for Ukraine. For more than a year now, he and the vast majority of his supporters have been loudly and proudly against providing a penny for Ukraine. Instead, he promised to end the war within 24 hours, etc..
Then all of a sudden in mid-February, he says this:
“They want to give them $60 billion more,” Trump said Wednesday at a rally in North Charleston, as he campaigned before South Carolina’s Feb. 24 Republican presidential primary. “Do it this way. Loan them the money. If they can make it, they pay us back. If they can’t make it, they don’t have to pay us back.”
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-pushes-ukraine-aid-loan-014648755.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
And obviously, considering the wrecked state of the Ukrainian economy, and likely decades-long recovery period, they won't be able to pay it back. Which means that Trump is now perfectly willing to give them $60B after saying "not another penny" for more than a year.
Now personally, I'm in favor of supporting Ukraine, but that's not the point. The point is that the guy just pulled a massive 180 on an issue about which a lot of his supporters and allied politicians are very vocal, and none of them batted an eye. Crickets. So all those America-Firsters who were so vigorously cheering on Trump for not sending more American money overseas don't seem to care much that he's done this 180.
So again..."MAGA" seems to be more a slogan association with Trump than any clear set of principles or priorities for governing the country.
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Well,
So far, no specifics from anyone.
The far left has also co-opted the term and use it as a perjorative to brand the opposition and solidify the base against them.
You can bet super whackjob Ruben Gallego will be using it a lot in the days, weeks and months to come.
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Thanks.
I'll ignore the insult.
My compliment wasn't posted to you @HikerGuy83 :shrug:
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MAGA. It has no formality, no structure, no platform that I can see.
No platform? Seriously @Lando Lincoln ?
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No platform? Seriously @Lando Lincoln ?
Yes, seriously.
That's always the case with populism/pragmatism.
It is invariably ephemeral... Chasing after whatever the crowd demands.
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So again..."MAGA" seems to be more a slogan association with Trump than any clear set of principles or priorities for governing the country.
"Make America Great Again" is clarion call to action for a nation in danger. Reagan used this call successfully in 1980 to galvanize the electorate primarily on the economy and defeating communism.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51zS4d-XgDL.jpg)
Trump has issued the same clarion call, expanding the danger we are facing to include not only the impacts of an unbalanced global economy, but also our sovereignty and illegal immigration, the erasure of our individual feedoms by an overbearing Federal government and encroaching globalism, societal lawlessness growing exponentially, and the deletion of the American legacy and inheritance from government, education and the courts.
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@HikerGuy83
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Trump has issued the same clarion call, expanding the danger we are facing to include not only the impacts of an unbalanced global economy, but also our sovereignty and illegal immigration, the erasure of our individual feedoms by an overbearing Federal government and encroaching globalism, societal lawlessness growing exponentially, and the deletion of the American legacy and inheritance from government, education and the courts.
No he has not. It is not the same. Not at all.
Else me and mine would be with him.
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It truly is only a stolen slogan - Convenient to his ascent, but only applied for that purpose.
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Well,
So far, no specifics from anyone.
It’s an acronym. Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.
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No he has not. It is not the same. Not at all.
Else me and mine would be with him.
Nonsense.
You're simply too obsessed with fiddling, losing and luxuriating in the virtue signaling you believe it affords you to think clearly.
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It truly is only a stolen slogan - Convenient to his ascent, but only applied for that purpose.
I'll say it again: Ronald Reagan was the opening act for Donald Trump; and a grateful nation thanks the 40th POTUS for his efforts :patriot:
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Nonsense.
You're simply too obsessed with fiddling, losing and luxuriating in the virtue signaling you believe it affords you to think clearly.
I do none of the above. I have been very effective politically in this region.
Your claims are not true. Especially WRT stealing Reagan's legacy for your convenience.
After all, all I have to do to be on the 'winning' team is sacrifice every principle thing.
But that is and has always been 'all I have to do'.
I will never support big government from the Right.
That is not virtue signalling. That is a specific and worthy stance.
And I will rise to battle for it.
Ergo I am against you.
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I'll say it again: Ronald Reagan was the opening act for Donald Trump; and a grateful nation thanks the 40th POTUS for his efforts :patriot:
Bullshit.
And the funny part is that you probably do believe that.
Funny=odd... Not funny=ha-ha.
*****rollingeyes*****
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I do none of the above.
We'll agree to disagree agree .... :beer:
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We'll agree to disagree agree .... :beer:
No, we won't.
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For your Reagan collection @roamer_1
(https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5fac1450144774b508634d6e/4:3/w_2440,h_1830,c_limit/shutterstock_editorial_5134904e.jpg)
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For your Reagan collection @roamer_1
Anyone who was present at the time knows Tumpy denounced Reagan, so... :whistle:
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If I recall correctly Trump took out a $20K ad in the New York Times denouncing Reagan's Tax Cuts.
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If I recall correctly Trump took out a $20K ad in the New York Times denouncing Reagan's Tax Cuts.
$90,000 for ads in the NYT, Boston Globe, and WaPo.
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I'll say it again: Ronald Reagan was the opening act for Donald Trump; and a grateful nation thanks the 40th POTUS for his efforts :patriot:
But again, weren't you trashing Reagan earlier? How do you reconcile that with your claim that someone you trashed was the opening act for Donald Trump?
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For your Reagan collection @roamer_1
For your Trump collection, @Right_in_Virginia
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-07/10/17/enhanced/webdr02/original-12123-1436563121-15.png)
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No platform? Seriously @Lando Lincoln ?
@Right_in_Virginia
I am, actually. Oh, I know what the pundits have ascribed to it. I have heard the stump-type platitudes given it. I agree with the basics of much of it. I know the zealotry of its devoted adherents. But, there are no formally adopted principles that form a core platform for it. At least, I am unaware of any.
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It’s an acronym. Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.
000hehehehe
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Anyone who was present at the time knows Tumpy denounced Reagan, so... :whistle:
Yes he did
MAGA means whatever it's followers want it to mean. This is similar to what BHO supporters did in 2008. Whatever they believed or supported, BHO also shared their beliefs in their minds
Remember that woman who stated that BHO would pay her mortgage and gas? BHO never ran on that. But she molded him into her vision
You saw this with the "drain the swamp" phrase in 2016. Trump never used that phrase at first. But it got him cheers when he said it and so he was able to sucker his supporters by simply repeating their chants
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-ditching-drain-swamp-rally-cry-adviser-says
‘Drain the swamp'” became a staple of the final month of Trump’s campaign, with crowds chanting it as loudly as they had been shouting “build the wall” and “lock her up.” The slogan also appeared on T-shirts and signs.
It has remained part of Trump’s post-election “thank you” tour. Whether in Ohio or Florida, the crowd continued to shout along with the president-elect as he vowed to curtail corruption in Washington — even as he revealed that he wasn’t always crazy about the catchphrase.
“Funny how that term caught on, isn’t it?” Trump mused during a rally this month in Des Moines, Iowa. “I tell everyone, I hated it. Somebody said ‘drain the swamp’ and I said, ‘Oh, that is so hokey. That is so terrible.'”
“I said, all right, I’ll try it,” Trump continued. “So like a month ago I said ‘drain the swamp’ and the place went crazy. And I said ‘Whoa, what’s this?’ Then I said it again. And then I start saying it like I meant it, right? And then I started to love it, and the place loved it. Drain the swamp. It’s true. It’s true. Drain the swamp.”
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Yes he did
MAGA means whatever it's followers want it to mean. This is similar to what BHO supporters did in 2008. Whatever they believed or supported, BHO also shared their beliefs in their minds
Remember that woman who stated that BHO would pay her mortgage and gas? BHO never ran on that. But she molded him into her vision
You saw this with the "drain the swamp" phrase in 2016. Trump never used that phrase at first. But it got him cheers when he said it and so he was able to sucker his supporters by simply repeating their chants
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-ditching-drain-swamp-rally-cry-adviser-says
‘Drain the swamp'” became a staple of the final month of Trump’s campaign, with crowds chanting it as loudly as they had been shouting “build the wall” and “lock her up.” The slogan also appeared on T-shirts and signs.
It has remained part of Trump’s post-election “thank you” tour. Whether in Ohio or Florida, the crowd continued to shout along with the president-elect as he vowed to curtail corruption in Washington — even as he revealed that he wasn’t always crazy about the catchphrase.
“Funny how that term caught on, isn’t it?” Trump mused during a rally this month in Des Moines, Iowa. “I tell everyone, I hated it. Somebody said ‘drain the swamp’ and I said, ‘Oh, that is so hokey. That is so terrible.'”
“I said, all right, I’ll try it,” Trump continued. “So like a month ago I said ‘drain the swamp’ and the place went crazy. And I said ‘Whoa, what’s this?’ Then I said it again. And then I start saying it like I meant it, right? And then I started to love it, and the place loved it. Drain the swamp. It’s true. It’s true. Drain the swamp.”
That's likely right - I mean 'how it is'...
Populism is its own internal feedback machine.
That's why it has no agenda.
And also why it is unmoored - Un-tethered to any principle.
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@Right_in_Virginia
But, there are no formally adopted principles that form a core platform for it.
Start here @Lando Lincoln
Freedom. The constitution. Fair trade. American sovereignty. Regulations reduction. Pro-life. Law and ordér. Peace through strength. America First vs. globalism. The American legacy.
Trump also knows there comes a time to get off your knees and fight ---- invaluable in times such as these.
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:rolling:
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Anyone who was present at the time knows Tumpy denounced Reagan, so... :whistle:
So what? Reagan took a lot of fire ---- the debt, immigration surrender and arms transfers to Iran spring to mind.
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Start here @Lando Lincoln
Freedom. The constitution. Fair trade. American sovereignty. Regulations reduction. Pro-life. Law and ordér. Peace through strength. America First vs. globalism. The American legacy.
Trump also knows there comes a time to get off your knees and fight ---- invaluable in times such as these.
Fair enough. Thanks.
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Start here @Lando Lincoln
Freedom. The constitution. Fair trade. American sovereignty. Regulations reduction. Pro-life. Law and ordér. Peace through strength. America First vs. globalism. The American legacy.
Trump also knows there comes a time to get off your knees and fight ---- invaluable in times such as these.
Bumper stickers.
Now tell me HOW.
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Bumper stickers.
Now tell me HOW.
https://printify.com/custom-bumper-stickers/
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https://printify.com/custom-bumper-stickers/
:silly: :beer:
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So what? Reagan took a lot of fire ----
From Democrats. Oh, wait . . .
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From Democrats. Oh, wait . . .
Including Trump, himself :whistle:
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- the debt, immigration surrender and arms transfers to Iran spring to mind.
I lived their era, and remember well that this post sounded a lot like liberal democrats were spewing at the time.
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I lived their era, and remember well that this post sounded a lot like liberal democrats were spewing at the time.
Iran/Contra was a masterpiece. We seriously ripped off Iran, and used the money to arm anti-Communist rebels. And the reason for doing it was because Democrats in Congress thought that they should be in charge of foreign policy, not the President. The Boland Amendments were a joke.
In the end, Lawrence Walsh spent over $71 million in taxpayer money trying to prosecute members of the Reagan Administration. And he couldn't deliver a single conviction to be upheld.
Reagan should have told Congress to pound sand. If Edward Boland wanted to be in charge of foreign policy, then he could run for President.
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@Right_in_Virginia
I am, actually. Oh, I know what the pundits have ascribed to it. I have heard the stump-type platitudes given it. I agree with the basics of much of it. I know the zealotry of its devoted adherents. But, there are no formally adopted principles that form a core platform for it. At least, I am unaware of any.
That's basically what I was asking.
WHEN was America great. What did it look like (specfically).
What did we lose and what will America look like when we are "great again".
I, frankly, think we are pretty darn good right now.
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Start here @Lando Lincoln
Freedom. The constitution. Fair trade. American sovereignty. Regulations reduction. Pro-life. Law and ordér. Peace through strength. America First vs. globalism. The American legacy.
Trump also knows there comes a time to get off your knees and fight ---- invaluable in times such as these.
Freedom.....what about it ? Have we lost some ? Which ones ? And how do we get them back ?
What about the Constitution. Both the GOP and democrats have used it as toilet paper for the past century. Just what are you proposing ?
Fair Trade ? Who decides what is fair ?
Pro life vs. Pro Choice. It's time to stop thinkiing about that politically and ask how we, as a people, came to this point. Trump isn't going to change Jack Crap when it comes to this. We need to look a little more closely at our collective soul and decide just what we think is important.
How about marriage ? Bush's push for the ban on gay marriage saying "the preservation of marriage" is a great concern. Just what the helk is out divorce rate ? We don't want to preserve marriage ? We are breaking them up at an incredible rate. The average lenght of a marriage in the U.S. is just a little over eight years. That's simply terrible. And nobody in D.C. is going to fix it.
The American Legacy ? Now this should be interesting. What legacy would that be ?
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What did we lose and what will America look like when we are "great again".
I, frankly, think we are pretty darn good right now.
Ladies and gentlemen ---- pointing-up Meet Joe Biden's campaign manager.
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Freedom.....what about it ? Have we lost some ? Which ones ? And how do we get them back ?
What about the Constitution. Both the GOP and democrats have used it as toilet paper for the past century. Just what are you proposing ?
Fair Trade ? Who decides what is fair ?
Pro life vs. Pro Choice. It's time to stop thinkiing about that politically and ask how we, as a people, came to this point. Trump isn't going to change Jack Crap when it comes to this. We need to look a little more closely at our collective soul and decide just what we think is important.
How about marriage ? Bush's push for the ban on gay marriage saying "the preservation of marriage" is a great concern. Just what the helk is out divorce rate ? We don't want to preserve marriage ? We are breaking them up at an incredible rate. The average lenght of a marriage in the U.S. is just a little over eight years. That's simply terrible. And nobody in D.C. is going to fix it.
The American Legacy ? Now this should be interesting. What legacy would that be ?
Write your own damn paper @HikerGuy83 88devil. :seeya:
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Write your own damn paper @HikerGuy83 88devil. :seeya:
About what ?
I started the thread and I asked for specfics. You called these out as specfics....which they clearly ARE NOT.
Get back to us when your head is out of the clouds and you can talk details.
Otherwise, MAGA still is nothing more than a sales pitch.
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Ladies and gentlemen ---- pointing-up Meet Joe Biden's campaign manager.
And here we see a classic example of deflection in the form of attacking the messenger.
Someone can't make a good argument, so this is the default.
One of the things that makes America great is that we have survived idiots in the WH since 2000 (and an argument could be made that we've actually been surviving idiots since 1988).
Our Constitution is inspired and fantastic.
But we have a room to grow and improve for sure.
Certainly the post I am quoting is an example of how our education system could be improved. Deductive reasoning not being taught as it should be.
But you can't pass a law that says people have to think.
You also can't pass a law (thank heavens) that says everyone has to think the same way.
MAGA is still a sales pitch. Always has been one.
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And here we see a classic example of deflection in the form of attacking the messenger.
Someone can't make a good argument, so this is the default.
We have all learned to expect that from the poster you're quoting
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We have all learned to expect that from the poster you're quoting
Interesting.
Thanks for sharing that.
MAGA is nothing I've ever been drawn to. I voted for Trump twice for other reasons.
But I hate the idea of this sales pitch and other sales pitches "Build Back Better", "Bidenomics", etc being the basis for people making choices.
For heck sakes.....
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It is quite telling when the person espousing "Make America Great Again" is unable to express what it is that would make America great from where we currently stand.
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That's basically what I was asking.
WHEN was America great. What did it look like (specfically).
What did we lose and what will America look like when we are "great again".
I, frankly, think we are pretty darn good right now.
???? What the heck have you been smokin'??? Inflation and spending are out of control, we have an invasion at our borders which is seeping into the rest of the country with squatters taking hold, Americans continue to be victims at the hands of ILLEGALS, ILLEGALS have been granted rights under the 2A, they just passed federal red flag laws, they are pushing for green energy....etc., and you think things are pretty darn good???
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???? What the heck have you been smokin'??? Inflation and spending are out of control, we have an invasion at our borders which is seeping into the rest of the country with squatters taking hold, Americans continue to be victims at the hands of ILLEGALS, ILLEGALS have been granted rights under the 2A, they just passed federal red flag laws, they are pushing for green energy....etc., and you think things are pretty darn good???
Yes, I do.
If you want to ask a legitimate (unprejudiced) question, feel free. Otherwise, find someone else to lecture.
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And now we have the statement "Inflation is out of control". Typical sales pitch.
How about the following:
1. What is the current inflation rate ?
2. When is inflation out of control ?
3. When is inflation in control ?
4. Who decided the parameters for 2 and 3.
You see, it's simple.
Inflation is X (some kind of percentage as measure by.....since inflation is not constant for all items).
When inflation is Y, it's good.
When inlfation is Z, it's not good, but not bad.
When inflation is WTH, then it is bad.
When inflation is WTBH, then it is out of control.
Data based information and analysis....what we don't have today.
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They just suddenly started pushing for green energy ?
Don't think so.
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Things are not "good" right now. Far from it. Unfortunately, 'MAGA' doesn't have the first clue in fixing it.
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One of the things that makes America great is that we have survived idiots in the WH since 2000 (and an argument could be made that we've actually been surviving idiots since 1988).
And despite some of the hyperbole coming from both sides, I don't believe the country is finished if the "wrong" candidate wins this fall
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Yes, I do.
If you want to ask a legitimate (unprejudiced) question, feel free. Otherwise, find someone else to lecture.
No one is lecturing you. Most of the country feels the pinch in their wallets, observes rising inflation and acknowledges the crisis at our southern border. I don't exactly need an XYZ formula to know that it now takes $50.00 to fill up my tank vs. $25.00 to fill up my tank before Biden took office. I don't need an XYZ forumla to know that the prices at the grocery store have skyrocketed.
Even the local news has now focused on the CRISIS at the border and @rangerrebew has done a pretty good job of keeping everyone informed. So again, I don't need an XYZ formula to acknowledge the crisis -- something that I did research on even back when 'W' was president.
Hey, with that being said, I am glad that everything is just peachy for you. :laugh:
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Things are not "good" right now. Far from it. Unfortunately, 'MAGA' doesn't have the first clue in fixing it.
Things are horrible right now. As for MAGA the premise (at least it used to be) is to take back power from the FEDS and return it to the states. Big Brother's overreach continues and stopping that somehow is very much needed along with the run away spending.
My concern right now is what Joe is going to agree to at the upcoming U.N. Summit in September.
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And despite some of the hyperbole coming from both sides, I don't believe the country is finished if the "wrong" candidate wins this fall
Well, I don't think either candidate is going to be good for the country. We'll see what happens @LMAO you have a much more positive outlook than I do.
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No one is lecturing you. Most of the country feels the pinch in their wallets, observes rising inflation and acknowledges the crisis at our southern border. I don't exactly need an XYZ formula to know that it now takes $50.00 to fill up my tank vs. $25.00 to fill up my tank before Biden took office. I don't need an XYZ forumla to know that the prices at the grocery store have skyrocketed.
Even the local news has now focused on the CRISIS at the border and @rangerrebew has done a pretty good job of keeping everyone informed. So again, I don't need an XYZ formula to acknowledge the crisis -- something that I did research on even back when 'W' was president.
Hey, with that being said, I am glad that everything is just peachy for you. :laugh:
Thank you for letting us know that we should just ignore your posts as we have no idea what you are talking about.
I filled my tank for 2.99/gallon the other day.
I also know (because I work in the field) that adjusted for inflation, gasoline is cheaper today than it was 30 years ago.
We are just spoiled.
Do I enjoy paying more for gasoline ? No.
Do I understand the history, yes.
Groceries have gone up. That is for sure.
BTW: I don't ever recall using the word peachy. In fact I hate that word (for reasons I won't share).
I said good.
I would rather have expensive gas than live under a European tax system where they force you into apartments.
I would rather have higher groceries and be able to own my home on a plot of land sharing no walls.
I still have free speech in my state.
I think we are getting better at election integrity.
And I have hope.
So, things are far from perfect, but they could be a whole lot worse.
I work to improve things, but I don't freak out over what isn't right.
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Now, back to the topic.
What does MAGA mean.
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And now we have the statement "Inflation is out of control". Typical sales pitch.
How about the following:
1. What is the current inflation rate ?
2. When is inflation out of control ?
3. When is inflation in control ?
4. Who decided the parameters for 2 and 3.
You see, it's simple.
Inflation is X (some kind of percentage as measure by.....since inflation is not constant for all items).
When inflation is Y, it's good.
When inlfation is Z, it's not good, but not bad.
When inflation is WTH, then it is bad.
When inflation is WTBH, then it is out of control.
Data based information and analysis....what we don't have today.
No, things are not good right now... And any moron can go into a grocery store and know the effects of inflation. The numbers are a head-fake, purposefully omitting data at retail, where it counts, and proves the most.
An acceptable rate of inflation does not exist. It is a symptom of monetary weakness. A lagging indicator of too much liquidity in fiat currency - They've printed and let too much. The more Benjamins in circulation, the less each of them is really worth. Simple as that.
What fixes it is one of two things - Banking failures at the top (interest rates jacked up to account for the inflation), or enough foreclosure and destruction at the bottom - One way or another A butt-ton of benjamins have to be disintegrated.
I will leave it to your imagination which path will be chosen.
1. Print more money
2. Lever interest to create destruction at the top.
3. Destroy the bottom with systemic destruction of businesses and foreclosures.
Those are the fixes. Which pill would you have?
And no more spending our way out. That is a meager fix anymore.
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And despite some of the hyperbole coming from both sides, I don't believe the country is finished if the "wrong" candidate wins this fall
I was at an LD meeting and we listening to two slates running for At Large seats on the county committee.
Three of one slate got up and said, "if we lose this election, it is over".
I ALMOST stood up and said, "Shut up with the fearmongering". I am sick of it.
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Thank you for letting us know that we should just ignore your posts as we have no idea what you are talking about.
I filled my tank for 2.99/gallon the other day.
I also know (because I work in the field) that adjusted for inflation, gasoline is cheaper today than it was 30 years ago.
We are just spoiled.
Do I enjoy paying more for gasoline ? No.
Do I understand the history, yes.
Groceries have gone up. That is for sure.
BTW: I don't ever recall using the word peachy. In fact I hate that word (for reasons I won't share).
I said good.
I would rather have expensive gas than live under a European tax system where they force you into apartments.
I would rather have higher groceries and be able to own my home on a plot of land sharing no walls.
I still have free speech in my state.
I think we are getting better at election integrity.
And I have hope.
So, things are far from perfect, but they could be a whole lot worse.
I work to improve things, but I don't freak out over what isn't right.
I paid $3.79/gal the other day.
Anyways -- I won't go there. It's Easter Sunday. Hope you have a Happy one.
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And despite some of the hyperbole coming from both sides, I don't believe the country is finished if the "wrong" candidate wins this fall
That's right, as long as the money holds up. There's still a very long way to fall.
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From Democrats. Oh, wait . . .
Are you saying no Republican expressed disappointment that Reagan injected "debtor nation" into the national lexicon, or agreed to amnesty for illegals, and not one Republican thought shipping arms to Iran was a bad idea @Hoodat ?
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Things are not "good" right now. Far from it. Unfortunately, 'MAGA' doesn't have the first clue in fixing it.
The Fins are pretty good at considering what they have and not getting to excited about what they don't have.
This country would benefit from a lot more of that.
Things will never be perfect.
Things could be a lot better.
But they are still pretty good, in my estimation.
But I am all ears about what:
1. Made America great that it lost.
2. And how we will know we are great "again".
I think MAGA is a sales pitch. A rope through the nose rings of those who are freaked out by the news media and easily hearded to places they shouldn't be.
Just my opinion.
And no, I don't like all the illegals.
But illegal immigration didn't show up last week.
And the GOP has done little to stem the tide.
They could use it to their advantage....if they just thought about it.
Maybe that is when America is great again. When we don't have morons for federal leaders.....
Uh oh.....not sure that's ever going to happen.
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So we have a poster mouthing off on another thread about how I won't listen to what people have to say about MAGA.
I asked for specifics. I have seen....zip.
And I see a lot of people who are in the same camp I am.
When someone wants to tell me what MAGA looks like, I am all ears.
And spare me the illegals invasion. I don't like it, but it's been going on for decades.
I loved Ronald Reagan, but recall his signing the Immigration and Reform Control Act. Looked great on paper until Republicans and Democrats decided to simply ignore huge parts of it.
Reagan then signed the EMTALA act essentially guaranteeing some level of health care to illegals. And have they taken advantage of it.
Maybe America is great again when we revoke laws like this and tell the SCOTUS (of that day) to shove it when the say (as they did in the late 80's) that illegals had a right to be in school.
When Jan Brewer got her controversial law passed, some classrooms shrunk by 25% overnight.
It can be done.
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Are you saying no Republican expressed disappointment that Reagan injected "debtor nation" into the national lexicon
Reagan didn't inject "debtor nation" into the national lexicon.
(See Logical Fallacies: Loaded Question)
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So we have a poster mouthing off on another thread about how I won't listen to what people have to say about MAGA.
I asked for specifics. I have seen....zip.
And I see a lot of people who are in the same camp I am.
When someone wants to tell me what MAGA looks like, I am all ears.
I can show you.
(https://i1.wp.com/boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/debtclock2.gif)
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Are you saying no Republican expressed disappointment that Reagan injected "debtor nation" into the national lexicon, or agreed to amnesty for illegals, and not one Republican thought shipping arms to Iran was a bad idea @Hoodat ?
Except those weren't the grounds on which Trump criticized Reagan. He was massively opposed to the Reagan defense buildup - spoke out against it in a full page age he published two months after visiting the Soviet Union in 1987
Some things never change.....
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I can show you.
(https://i1.wp.com/boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/debtclock2.gif)
I am not going to try and decipher your meaning.
If you are thinking national debt, then why is Trump leading the charge (for Maga). He has helped run it up.
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Folks...anytime any of you want to take a shot at explaining MAGA, I am very interested.
I like the idea of making America better. It could use a lot of improvement.
It would be an improvement if we shut down all the lie-spewing cable news horsecrap. But that would be killing freedom of speech. So......
On we go. There are other things I am thinking about.
I don't think those who strut MAGA around have a clue.
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Folks...anytime any of you want to take a shot at explaining MAGA, I am very interested.
I like the idea of making America better. It could use a lot of improvement.
It would be an improvement if we shut down all the lie-spewing cable news horsecrap. But that would be killing freedom of speech. So......
On we go. There are other things I am thinking about.
I don't think those who strut MAGA around have a clue.
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I cornered someone yesterday.
A friend.
They were talking about how great Trump was and so I talked a bit and then asked ?
If you are for MAGA, then you thought America was great once. What made it great ?
And what did we lose that is making it not so great now ?
And how will we know and what can we expect when it is "great again".
No answer. We chatted and I explained that I had been doing this to others. They took it good naturedly and suggested maybe they should be able to answer those questions.
I just hope they don't listen to Trump to find them.
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BTW: Debt is way past 34 trillion.
Biden is headed for a 2.5 trillion dollar deficit this year.
We'll be at 40 trillion by the end of the decade.
I have not hear or seen anything from the MAGA crowd on that one.
Making America better would include getting the debt under control and balancing the budget.
I might start a group called MASA: Make America Sane Again
or Make America Solvent Again.
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Suppose it's like pornography: You know it when you see it.
And we're not seeing it today.
Not everyone sees porn the same way (I guess based on what I've read about the 1st amendment protections it is given).
Not everyone sees greatness the same way.
So I am going to have to disagree with you on this one.
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Slapping around some people on the Build Back Better Bulls*** on another board.
Tooooooo easy.
A sales pitch.
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A sales pitch.
An international one...
With a deadly intent.