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General Category => Sports/Entertainment/MSM/Social Media => Topic started by: mystery-ak on April 13, 2013, 08:00:26 pm
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http://www.businessinsider.com/golf-world-outraged-about-tiger-woods-ruling-2013-4 (http://www.businessinsider.com/golf-world-outraged-about-tiger-woods-ruling-2013-4)
The Golf World Is Outraged That Tiger Woods Didn't Get Disqualified
Tony Manfred | Apr. 13, 2013, 11:15 AM
Pro golfers, golf writers, and TV commentators are up in arms that Tiger Woods was only given a 2-stroke penalty for his illegal drop on the 15th hole yesterday.
Tiger said last night that he dropped his ball two yards behind his previous spot, clearly violating the rule that you must drop "as nearly as possible" to your original spot.
He was allowed to stay in the tournament under a new rule that allows players to avoid disqualification if they are found to have unknowingly broke a rule are their rounds are over.
Golf people are not happy about it. They say that the new rule is B.S. (or it's at least being misinterpreted), and Tiger should DQ himself to save the integrity of the game.
Nick Faldo went on the Golf Channel and said Tiger disqualifying himself would be "the manly thing to do." He added, "He should really sit down and think about this and the mark this will leave on his career, his legacy, everything."
The Golf Channel's Brandel Chamblee said, "The right thing to do here for Tiger and the game is for Tiger to disqualify himself."
David Duval said on Twitter that Tiger should withdraw from the tournament.
Golfer Shane Lowry said, "This is a joke. In my opinion anyone else would have been DQ'd. When you sign for the wrong score that's what's supposed to happen."
Golf bloggers and writers are similarly stunned that he was only given a 2-stroke penalty.
This is in stark contrast to fans and golf non-diehards, who just want to watch Tiger Woods play golf this weekend and aren't all that invested in the "integrity of the game."
Here's the disparity between the two drops:
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(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/04/14/sports/14woods2_inline/14woods2_inline-articleInline-v2.jpg)
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Tiger Woods morphs from being the cherubic little boy wonder of golf, to the OJ Simpson of golf.
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He was allowed to stay in the tournament under a new rule that allows players to avoid disqualification if they are found to have unknowingly broke a rule are their rounds are over.
Well, you betcha. There's no doubt in my mind that a novice like Tiger doesn't know the rules and didn't think to ask any official on the course what the rule is.
I wonder if this style of unsportsmanlike conduct is something he picked up from playing golf with Obama. Wouldn't surprise me.
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Gosh, kids, could this have anything to do with the light punishment?
Tiger Woods Escaping Disqualification means CBS, IBM Escape Ratings Downfall
...recall from earlier this week my post on the economics of the professional golf industry. That piece notes that though the Tiger Effect on ratings isn’t what it used to be, it’s still sizable. In 2012, his participation in a final round boosted viewership by 60%, compared with 118% in 2009.
Smaller impact on ratings? Yes.
Still significant impact on ratings? Absolutely...
And as a by product of that ruling, and presuming Woods stays within reasonable striking distance of the lead, CBS and IBM will escape what would have been a likely ratings plummet relative to a Woods-inclusive telecast.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2013/04/13/tiger-woods-escaping-disqualification-means-cbs-ibm-escape-ratings-downfall/
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Gosh, kids, could this have anything to do with the light punishment?
Tiger Woods Escaping Disqualification means CBS, IBM Escape Ratings Downfall
Absolutely. There are two types of people who watch golf on TV: real golf fans and Tiger groupies. If Tiger doesn't compete in a particular tournament, misses the cut or - heaven forbid - gets DQed, the latter group leaves in droves. The former group, which is much smaller in number, watches golf no matter what.
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He was allowed to stay in the tournament under a new rule that allows players to avoid disqualification if they are found to have unknowingly broke a rule are their rounds are over.
Well, you betcha. There's no doubt in my mind that a novice like Tiger doesn't know the rules and didn't think to ask any official on the course what the rule is.
I wonder if this style of unsportsmanlike conduct is something he picked up from playing golf with Obama. Wouldn't surprise me.
I suspect he got it honestly from his father Colonel Earl Woods.
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Absolutely. There are two types of people who watch golf on TV: real golf fans and Tiger groupies. If Tiger doesn't compete in a particular tournament, misses the cut or - heaven forbid - gets DQed, the latter group leaves in droves. The former group, which is much smaller in number, watches golf no matter what.
Good lord. I'd rather sit and watch paint dry.
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".. the Rules Committee reviewed a video of the shot while he was playing the 18th hole. At that moment and based on that evidence, the Committee determined he had complied with the Rules."
Facts ladies and gentlemen.
With this fact as a given, explain why he should have been DQ'd or why he should DQ himself?
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Facts ladies and gentlemen...With this fact as a given
Facts, evadR²? Do you mind if some of us remain skeptical of the Rules Committee's judgement given the amount of money involved and the FACT original reports, which produced widespread criticism, were quite otherwise? Your "facts" may actually be someone else's "cya".
Btw, you didn't provide a link so the entire story could be read and evaluated.
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I don't think Tiger got any extra consideration. The rules committee would likely have done the same for any player, given the circumstances. The fact that it was Tiger made it bigger than it really was. In the end, the fluke of hitting that flagstick on Friday probably cost Tiger a green jacket. He'd be 7-under right now, tied for the lead, instead of 4 back and an unlikely underdog, given the pool of talent ahead of him.
Looking at that second drop, it doesn't look like it's two yards behind the original ball mark. It seems close enough that one could reasonably conclude that Tiger dropped it at the nearest possible location, as the rules committee originally ruled. If he did know it was an improper drop, it was monumentally stupid of him to point it out to a television interviewer.
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...it was monumentally stupid of him to point it out to a television interviewer.
But he did, didn't he? So by his own admission he violated the rules and no Rules Committee can change that FACT.
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...it was monumentally stupid of him to point it out to a television interviewer.
But he did, didn't he? So by his own admission he violated the rules and no Rules Committee can change that FACT.
He was penalized two strokes. He's not getting off scott free.
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Facts ladies and gentlemen...With this fact as a given
Facts, evadR²? Do you mind if some of us remain skeptical of the Rules Committee's judgement given the amount of money involved and the FACT original reports, which produced widespread criticism, were quite otherwise? Your "facts" may actually be someone else's "cya".
Btw, you didn't provide a link so the entire story could be read and evaluated.
Here ya go. This is only one but there are many more with the same statement.
http://news.yahoo.com/augusta-national-statement-tiger-woods-145815110--golf.html
The only fact I am alluding to is that the ruling was in fact made.
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oh, and no, I don't mind if you remain skeptical. I am in fact skeptical of the original ruling myself but they did in fact make it.
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I don't think Tiger got any extra consideration. The rules committee would likely have done the same for any player, given the circumstances. The fact that it was Tiger made it bigger than it really was. In the end, the fluke of hitting that flagstick on Friday probably cost Tiger a green jacket. He'd be 7-under right now, tied for the lead, instead of 4 back and an unlikely underdog, given the pool of talent ahead of him.
Looking at that second drop, it doesn't look like it's two yards behind the original ball mark. It seems close enough that one could reasonably conclude that Tiger dropped it at the nearest possible location, as the rules committee originally ruled. If he did know it was an improper drop, it was monumentally stupid of him to point it out to a television interviewer.
Precisely.
Tiger is 6' tall. Stretch him out on the ground and see where that divot lies.
I would say it's about Penis High.
I can see where anyone observing the situation would conclude that was a legitimate drop.
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Well, I guess you're right if you put it that way: I would say it's about Penis High.
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Well, I guess you're right if you put it that way: I would say it's about Penis High.
LOL..Yeah...and the ruling was "dicked up"".
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Tiger Woods rules controversy showed a little common sense won't kill the game
Michael Roseberg
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AUGUSTA, Ga. -- Fans who visit Augusta National for the first time usually say they can't believe how hilly it is. I know what they mean. On Saturday, I walked up to a molehill, only to be told that it's really a mountain.
See, I thought that Tiger Woods took an illegal drop on the 15th hole on Friday and was properly penalized two strokes for it. Oh, how silly I was. As it turns out, he embarrassed the game, he should have disqualified himself, he doesn't understand what made America great, and hey, come back here, Tiger, we have some fresh coals to rake you over?
Good grief. I have a little breaking news for people who see themselves as Keepers of the Game: Bobby Jones has been dead for 40 years. Whenever you're ready, feel free to join us here in the 21st century. We'll be waiting for you with free wi-fi.
If we can stop bathing in our outrage for a second, we might realize: We're watching an amazing story here. Woods is three under par heading into the final round. Co-leaders Angel Cabrera and Brandt Snedeker are at seven under.
If Woods's approach into the 15th green on Friday had not hit the flagstick, he would most likely be tied for the lead, and at worst would be six under. Instead, the ball hit the pin and caromed into the water, leading to the illegal drop, and ultimately costing him three or four strokes.
And at the 8th hole on Saturday, a short birdie circled the cup before spinning out.
That is a five-stroke loss because of two tiny strokes of bad luck.
Yet in the beautifully wild tournament that is the Masters, Woods still has a chance to win the thing. That's how well he has played this week. I think that's kind of cool, but what do I know? I'm one of those idiots who likes watching LeBron James play basketball.
The real story here is not that Tiger got to stay in the tournament. It's that he was penalized. The Masters rules committee did it. All Woods did was accept the ruling. This would be considered exemplary sportsmanship in any other sport.
Why did he break the rule?
"I wasn't even really thinking," he said. "I was still a little ticked at what happened, and I was just trying to figure, O.K., I need to take some yardage off this shot. And all I was thinking about was trying to make sure I took some yardage off of it, and evidently, it was pretty obvious I didn't drop in the right spot."
And what does he think of TV analysts who say he should have disqualified himself?
"I don't know," Woods said. "Under the Rules of Golf, I can play."
This week, I have seen Pro Football Hall of Famer Marcus Allen, CBS announcer Clark Kellogg and professional skateboarder Eric Koston following Woods at Augusta National, along with lesser-known college coaches from multiple sports. And in the context of other sports, we see just how absurd this controversy is.
We accept Peyton Manning begging for pass interference or James snapping at the referees, but when Woods says he understands a penalty that might cost him the Masters, we scream that he should have disqualified himself. Man, I wish our standards for sportsmanship were as high as we claim. I wonder how many of the people saying Woods should do the honorable thing and disqualify himself have cut me off in traffic.
Actually, I think most people are reasonable about this. I followed Woods for most of the third round. I heard one fan criticize him the whole day. One. And it wasn't even about the drop.
And this brings me to the real issue: A lot of people ripping Tiger's character made up their minds before this latest incident. They don't like him, either because he cheated on his wife,or because they think he is aloof and self-absorbed. Or both. They're entitled. Nobody is obligated to like him, any more than they are obligated to like Phil Mickelson or Ernie Els. Some of my media friends don't like Tiger because of their personal experiences with him, and they are entitled as well. I'm not interested in refereeing that discussion.
But if this all happened to Rory McIlroy, I doubt we would have one-tenth of the controversy. Why? Because almost everybody likes McIlroy.
By the way: It did happen to McIlroy. In Dubai, two months ago, McIlroy committed the same kind of accidental penalty that Woods did. He wiped sand off the fringe of the green with the back of his hand. It's clearly illegal (more so than what Woods did actually). McIlroy did not call a penalty on himself until playing partner Luke Donald told him what he did was illegal.
McIlroy wasn't trying to cheat. He blanked on one of golf's many rules, and he didn't realize it until somebody called him on it.
This is the same thing that happened to Woods this week. The only difference is that nobody called Woods on his mistake until after he had signed his scorecard. Woods's representatives, Mark Steinberg and Glenn Greenspan, found out about the issue so late on Friday that they didn't even contact Tiger until Saturday morning.
Are we really going to say that Woods should disqualify himself because the whistle blew a few hours later?
Let's use our heads here. I know, I know: Golf is different. It's about honor, dignity and holding yourself accountable. Jones famously called a penalty on himself in the U.S. Open, then said, "When you cheat in golf, the only person you're cheating is yourself." That doesn't explain why Jones's club refused to invite a black golfer to play in the Masters until after his death (yeah, I went there), but I really do get it.
Golf is different. I love that about golf. We don't expect Kevin Durant to call traveling on himself or Clayton Kershaw to say, "Oh no, that was ball four. Send that gentleman to first base!" Golfers are supposed to call penalties on themselves.
That is great. But in a rational world, what Woods did was somewhere between a technicality and a misdemeanor. The strategic advantage from dropping a yard or so away from his previous shot was miniscule. A two-stroke penalty is severe. And again: I think it's appropriately severe. Tiger said he does too -- even though it might cost him the Masters.
A little common sense won't kill the game. What happened this weekend is not an affront to golf. It's called progress. A rule was instituted in April 2011 to insert some logic into post-round rules enforcement. That is the rule that Masters officials cited on Saturday.
In April 2011, Peter Dawson, the chief executive of the R&A governing body, explained the reasoning behind the rule: "For some time we have been concerned that, in certain limited circumstances, disproportionate disqualification penalties have been required by the Rules. This carefully considered decision reflects our desire to ensure that the Rules of Golf remain fair and relevant in the changing environment in which the game is played today."
I don't normally look to golf governing bodies for progressive views of the world. But there it is. Perfectly reasonable. The R&A gets it, the Masters rules committee gets it, and yes, Woods gets it. The sun will come up on Sunday, and the final round of the Masters will be played, and Tiger Woods is in contention. This should be fun.
http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/tiger-woods-masters-2013-rules-controversy-absurd?eref=sihp (http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/tiger-woods-masters-2013-rules-controversy-absurd?eref=sihp)
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Good lord. I'd rather sit and watch paint dry.
I just can't get excited over cow pasture pool. :smokin:
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He was penalized two strokes. He's not getting off scott free.
Having given this a lot of thought over the last 24 hours it is my conclusion that Tiger, especially Tiger, should have withdrawn regardless of the official ruling. That would have been the wise course for him to follow but I doubt such is in his DNA as the son of Colonel Earl Woods.
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Good lord. I'd rather sit and watch paint dry.
We all have our own particular interests. Personally, I can't understand how people watch cars go around in a circle for 500 miles, but if you're a NASCAR fan, I'm certainly not going to complain.
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Tiger Woods rules controversy showed a little common sense won't kill the game
Michael Roseberg...........
Excellent article and Mr. Roseberg gets it.
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We all have our own particular interests. Personally, I can't understand how people watch cars go around in a circle for 500 miles, but if you're a NASCAR fan, I'm certainly not going to complain.
Me too. A Black co-worker was teasing me about that on Friday. 'When are you going to take me see NASCAR? Come on now, I know you love it.' lol
I couldn't convince her that I have never watched NASCAR, and have no desire to ever go there. We all have our stereotypes I guess. It was funny though.
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Good grief. I have a little breaking news for people who see themselves as Keepers of the Game: Bobby Jones has been dead for 40 years.
The writer, Michael Roseberg, lost me with his snark on Bobby Jones; plus and the shameless promotion of moral relevance to make his points.
What's occurred in the 21st century that causes the culture to denigrate personal honor?
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FDaY hits upon the central issue at play here: the shameless promotion of moral relevance..., or as Roseberg so cutely puts it,
Whenever you're ready, feel free to join us here in the 21st century. We'll be waiting for you with free wi-fi.
I agree with BigUn that Woods, should have withdrawn regardless of the official ruling. What an example of decency, moral rectitude, and manhood he could have been. Alas. no, he chose instead to show the almighty dollar is the most important thing there is.
In fact this whole incident shows that and is but one more example of how our popular culture exalts self over principle.
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Typical...expected responses from the moral police in here.
Get over yourselves.
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What a sad commentary:
Typical...expected responses from the moral police in here.
Get over yourselves.
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More moral police show up.
Oh, wait, it's Tiger's peers.
Tiger Woods came under fire from his fellow professionals and leading figures in golf last night after resisting pleas for him to withdraw from the Masters, despite signing for an incorrect second-round score...
Sir Nick Faldo was just one of those here appalled by Woods deciding to tee off his third round yesterday.
“He should really sit down and consider this - it will taint his legacy and his life,” he said. “I would be saying: ‘I have broken the rules of golf’. Sometimes the black and whiteness is harsh, but Tiger would get massive brownie points if he stood up and said: ‘Fair enough, I’ve broken the rules’ and walked.”
Explaining why he believed Woods was wrong to play on, Faldo said: “Tiger gained an advantage intentionally. He said so himself. He was judge and jury. If he goes on to win what kind of asterix would he have next to this Masters? Arnold Palmer said that in our game the integrity of golf must be taken forward. We are custodians of the game. We must carry it forward.”
David Duval concurred. The former world No 1 is a Nike stable-mate of Woods, but was in doubt what would be the principled course of action. “I think he should WD. He took a drop to gain an advantage,” he tweeted.
Even some of Woods’s best friends were of that opinion. John Cook is a regular practice partner of Woods. “Even if they told me I could play, I would slam my trunk and be on my way up the road,” he said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/mastersaugusta/9992387/The-Masters-2013-under-fire-Tiger-Woods-facing-player-backlash-for-not-withdrawing-after-wrongly-signing-his-scorecard.html
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Well, one certainly has to respect Sir Nick's opinion but..you don't have to agree with him.
He has modified his view as more "facts" were gathered.
Today he stated that what was once black and white is now shades of grey.
I guess if we wait long enough we will be agreeing with him.
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More moral police show up.
Oh, wait, it's Tiger's peers.
Tiger Woods came under fire from his fellow professionals and leading figures in golf last night after resisting pleas for him to withdraw from the Masters, despite signing for an incorrect second-round score...
Sir Nick Faldo was just one of those here appalled by Woods deciding to tee off his third round yesterday.
Nick Faldo....one of the biggest A-holes in the game today.
.....according to HIS peers.
You have to give me a better 'peer' than Nick Faldo, Cincy!
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You have to give me a better 'peer' than Nick Faldo, Cincy!
I do? Why? Isn't the real issue whether Faldo is correct regardless of what you may think of him? Or fail to acknowledge?
David Duval concurred...John Cook is a regular practice partner of Woods.
Forgive me but I am not going to pursue this any further. Just include me with those who refuse to join the 21st century even if you give me free WiFi. Unfortunately I am one of those reactionary troglodytes who thinks a man's word means something and keeping one's honor is a virtue.
So let Tiger play on. After all ratings, money, and fan devotion are of all that really matter. Accountability and decency? Not so much.
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Tiger shouldn't have even been penalized. 3" was the difference between his first and second shot, according to this photo from the exact same location. Maybe he thought he dropped 2 yards back, but he didn't. Should he withdraw for thinking he dropped it further back than he actually did drop it? :pondering:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/golf--photos-show-tiger-woods-may-not-have-deserved-a-two-stroke-penalty-204353354.html
(http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/CxyqmBgepTu7.Fh4YTtBCg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYxMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/sports/2013-04-14/72775f74-1025-40de-831f-bc969dc59af3_tiger-shots-side-by-side.jpg)
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You have to give me a better 'peer' than Nick Faldo, Cincy!
I do? Why? Isn't the real issue whether Faldo is correct regardless of what you may think of him? Or fail to acknowledge?
David Duval concurred...John Cook is a regular practice partner of Woods.
Forgive me but I am not going to pursue this any further. Just include me with those who refuse to join the 21st century even if you give me free WiFi. Unfortunately I am one of those reactionary troglodytes who thinks a man's word means something and keeping one's honor is a virtue.
So let Tiger play on. After all ratings, money, and fan devotion are of all that really matter. Accountability and decency? Not so much.
I respect the heck out of you, Cincy....but let's face it. You don't like Tiger Woods because of his unfaithfulness to his wife and family.
It has nothing to do with him dropping the ball almost in the exact spot (see link) http://tracking.si.com/2013/04/14/tiger-woods-drop/?eref=sihp (http://tracking.si.com/2013/04/14/tiger-woods-drop/?eref=sihp)
The rules committee found that there was no evil intent and he took a 2 stroke penalty.
Incidentally, had he not hit the pin, he would have birdied the hole. He would have been right there at the end.
That siad, I'm glad that Adam Scott won it on the 2nd playoff hole. It was a great finish.
And he may be bringing the next controversy for the game of golf. There is talk that the long putter should be illegal.
...stay tuned.
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The Tiger hatred is a bit frightening. That said, yes, the belly putter is controversial at this time.
I was rooting for Cabrera. A no nonsense golfer who didn't over analyze every blade of grass.
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The Tiger hatred is a bit frightening. That said, yes, the belly putter is controversial at this time.
I was rooting for Cabrera. A no nonsense golfer who didn't over analyze every blade of grass.
Belly putter aside, Adam Scott also has a very quick pace of play.
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Congratulations, Adam Scott! Nicely Played!
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Congratulations, Adam Scott! Nicely Played!
It was really fun to watch, and this is a tiny bit of redemption for Greg Norman, who I'm sure is happy as can be.
Scott and Cabrera were both playing great golf today, and especially the last 3 holes, playoff included. Just great, great golfing, and truly championship-worthy.
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I noticed that Adam Scott's caddy is the former caddy for Tiger Woods....when he was winning everything in sight.
Don't think that's merely a coincidence.......
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Congratulations, Adam Scott! Nicely Played!
:amen: :amen: and :amen:
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Typical...expected responses from the moral police in here.
Get over yourselves.
So you have no use for this thing called HONOR?
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Ok, I wasn't going to say anything more but this unpleasant little canard demands response.
You don't like Tiger Woods because of his unfaithfulness to his wife and family.
What an absolute crock. Just how do you know that about me in any case? You don't and I am offended you would presume to say it.
This is what bothers me about the situation and nothing else.
Unfortunately I am one of those reactionary troglodytes who thinks a man's word means something and keeping one's honor is a virtue.
I don't care about Tiger. I don't care about golf. I do care about how standards of personal conduct have declined in this country and how so many excuse or temporize an absence of standards when it is staring them in the face.
Finis...I deeply hope.
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Ok, I wasn't going to say anything more but this unpleasant little canard demands response.
You don't like Tiger Woods because of his unfaithfulness to his wife and family.
What an absolute crock. Just how do you know that about me in any case? You don't and I am offended you would presume to say it.
This is what bothers me about the situation and nothing else.
Unfortunately I am one of those reactionary troglodytes who thinks a man's word means something and keeping one's honor is a virtue.
I don't care about Tiger. I don't care about golf. I do care about how standards of personal conduct have declined in this country and how so many excuse or temporize an absence of standards when it is staring them in the face.
Finis...I deeply hope.
I love golf and care about it a great deal. If Tiger had withdrawn he would have been the king of golf again and for a LONG time. IMHO he missed a great opportunity for himself and for the game of golf!
This one's for you!
"We mock honor, and are then shocked to find traitors in our midst."
C.S. Lewis
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Congratulations, Adam Scott! Nicely Played!
:beer:
A super talented young man that finally won the "bigun"
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I noticed that Adam Scott's caddy is the former caddy for Tiger Woods....when he was winning everything in sight.
Don't think that's merely a coincidence.......
Stevie is one of the premier caddies. A bit full of himself but excellent at his trade...and also a scratch golfer.
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Ok, I wasn't going to say anything more but this unpleasant little canard demands response.
You don't like Tiger Woods because of his unfaithfulness to his wife and family.
What an absolute crock. Just how do you know that about me in any case? You don't and I am offended you would presume to say it.
This is what bothers me about the situation and nothing else.
Unfortunately I am one of those reactionary troglodytes who thinks a man's word means something and keeping one's honor is a virtue.
I don't care about Tiger. I don't care about golf. I do care about how standards of personal conduct have declined in this country and how so many excuse or temporize an absence of standards when it is staring them in the face.
Finis...I deeply hope.
Not that it matters but let me be the first one to say I don't like Tiger because of his unfaithfulness to his wife and family.
But that's a whole different story. I still feel I can objectively look at the facts, regardless of certain Tiger "peers" opinions.
Now, the most recent revelation is that the drop probably wasn't illegal at all, in spite of what Tiger said and what he thought he did. Maybe that's why the people on the course felt it was legal. Maybe that's why the FIRST committee ruling was there was no foul....maybe this, maybe that.
I think it's time to move on.
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I think it's time to move on.
I agree!
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Masters winner uses Stevie Williams eyes to drain winning putt.
Williams read that putt for Scott on the 2nd playoff hole.
Said Williams, who during his career was on the bag for three of Woods' four Masters wins: “We knew it was a right-to-left putt. He said he thought it was a cup outside, but I told him it broke more than he thought and it was two cups outside the hole.”
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Adam Scott played amazing golf tee-to-green. It seemed he had decent birdie putts all day, but they kept skirting the edges, and he'd tap in for par and move on. He was pretty much under the radar until the back nine. Again, he plodded along hitting fairways and greens, but of course at Augusta that gets you birdies at 13 and 15. Then he hit 18 and found the green. He drained it when it counted, and repeated it on the second playoff hole.
Cabrera was a hell of a tough competitor. The guy can't make the cut on the regular tour but put him in contention in a major, and he shows up to play. I really couldn't decide who to root for. In the end, I was glad someone won it rather than lost it. And I am glad that Scott will have his invitation to Augusta for the rest of his life. He seems like a deserving young man.
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When they finally ban the belly putter will the previous winners have an asterisk by their name.
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When they finally ban the belly putter will the previous winners have an asterisk by their name.
I hope not. Much as I hate the belly putter and hope the USGA and R&A ban it, I'd hate to see the players who won with it diminished in any way. They are playing by the rules. In some cases, there are younger players like Keenan Bradley who have never putted with anything else.
The belly putter and long putter (which is what Scott uses) can give the player an advantage, but these putters have disadvantages as well. They are heavier and much more difficult to lag with, and they require the player to master a certain technique, as does all putting.
Many players (including Vijay Singh and Fred Couples) have gone back to their regular putting technique after experimenting with long putters.
It should have been banned a long time ago. Now that so many people have won with it, and the governing bodies (including the PGA) have drawn lines in the sand, it's going to be a bad decision either way.
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...it was monumentally stupid of him to point it out to a television interviewer.
But he did, didn't he? So by his own admission he violated the rules and no Rules Committee can change that FACT.
Any golfers know what advantage there was to what he did? Why drop 2 yards back? Is that a big advantage?
I'm not a golfer so I don't know.
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When they finally ban the belly putter will the previous winners have an asterisk by their name.
Not going to happen! Just watch and remember this moment.
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Any golfers know what advantage there was to what he did? Why drop 2 yards back? Is that a big advantage?
I'm not a golfer so I don't know.
To the average golfer, it might be a psychological advantage at best. His first shot hit the flagstick, which meant it was a few yards long. So he took a couple of yards off figuring if he hit the next one the same way it would be just right. Very few golfers would have the capability to dial in a half-wedge with that kind of precision, but this is TW we are talking about. So he hit the next one near perfect.
It's common in golf that when you take a drop, you can take two club lengths, no closer to the hole. When I saw Tiger take this drop, I assumed this was what he was doing. I've been playing golf, including tournament golf, for over 40 years and never knew you were required to drop as close as possible to the previous ball.
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It's common in golf that when you take a drop, you can take two club lengths, no closer to the hole. When I saw Tiger take this drop, I assumed this was what he was doing. I've been playing golf, including tournament golf, for over 40 years and never knew you were required to drop as close as possible to the previous ball.
OK, tankee.
I assume we'll get a new acronym in golf now called "Taking a TWD" (Tiger Woods Drop). Hee Hee...
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To the average golfer, it might be a psychological advantage at best. His first shot hit the flagstick, which meant it was a few yards long. So he took a couple of yards off figuring if he hit the next one the same way it would be just right. Very few golfers would have the capability to dial in a half-wedge with that kind of precision, but this is TW we are talking about. So he hit the next one near perfect.
It's common in golf that when you take a drop, you can take two club lengths, no closer to the hole. When I saw Tiger take this drop, I assumed this was what he was doing. I've been playing golf, including tournament golf, for over 40 years and never knew you were required to drop as close as possible to the previous ball.
As close as possible is a stupid rule. If that's the case, then these golfers would be dropping about and inch or two behind the divot...and then with the downhill slope (as was the case) it would role into that same divot.
Try hitting THAT shot.
This whole thing reeks of massive stupidity.
Now it looks like the "committee" were big time dupes and committed gross errors in judgement with their second ruling.
Oh well, it's only a game...right??
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OK, tankee.
I assume we'll get a new acronym in golf now called "Taking a TWD" (Tiger Woods Drop). Hee Hee...
TWD--Tiger Woods Dip--That term is already in use but it requires about 10 white, blond females.
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They were chatting this up all day on 106.7 FM sports talk today....and the biggest gripe was that somebody sitting at home on his ass watching it on television text-messaged a "friend" on the Master's Rules Committee to make the complaint.
Otherwise, nobody would have noticed a thing. Not even Woods' Saturday pair-mate.
Furthermore, what about the players whose strokes aren't even shown to the TV world?
As far as "honor"......Bobby Jones himself forbade blacks from participating in the Masters. Something to chew on........
PS.....what about a fan watching a baseball game on TV and he notices the pitcher licking his fingers that will hold the baseball...while technically "on the mound"?
Who're you gonna call? Ghostbusters??
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They were chatting this up all day on 106.7 FM sports talk today....and the biggest gripe was that somebody sitting at home on his ass watching it on television text-messaged a "friend" on the Master's Rules Committee to make the complaint.
Otherwise, nobody would have noticed a thing. Not even Woods' Saturday pair-mate.
Furthermore, what about the players whose strokes aren't even shown to the TV world?
Dupes, haterism and knee-jerkism.
A deadly combo.
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I thought we were dropping this but apparently I am misinformed.
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I thought we were dropping this but apparently I am misinformed.
Sorry.....I thought we were dropping the confrontation.....not the basic argument. :seeya:
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I thought we were dropping this but apparently I am misinformed.
Heh..it apparently has a life of it's own.
I'll drop it now :)
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I won't bring up his drop at the Players, which may or may not have been in the right spot after he hit his tee shot into the water, but I do have just one thing to say: moobs.
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/w18pGHl.9WomgOyNW4PRvw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTMwMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/blogs/omgcelebnews/91798559-c074-4178-87b5-80d99685e6e2_300_TigerWoods_051613.jpg)
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I won't bring up his drop at the Players, which may or may not have been in the right spot after he hit his tee shot into the water, but I do have just one thing to say: moobs.
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/w18pGHl.9WomgOyNW4PRvw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTMwMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/blogs/omgcelebnews/91798559-c074-4178-87b5-80d99685e6e2_300_TigerWoods_051613.jpg)
You're thinking of the US Open....or was it the Masters? LOL! He won the Players without any controversy....Garcia not withstanding.
And he's fishing from his multimillion dollar yacht.
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You're thinking of the US Open....or was it the Masters? LOL! He won the Players without any controversy....Garcia not withstanding.
And he's fishing from his multimillion dollar yacht.
Actually, there was a little controversy. He took a drop on the 14th hole after hitting it in the water. He and Casey Wittenberg determined where they thought it crossed the hazard line, but the blimp shot showed it crossing quite a bit further back. As it happened, he ended up taking a 6 on the hole anyway, so it probably didn't matter.
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Actually, there was a little controversy. He took a drop on the 14th hole after hitting it in the water. He and Casey Wittenberg determined where they thought it crossed the hazard line, but the blimp shot showed it crossing quite a bit further back. As it happened, he ended up taking a 6 on the hole anyway, so it probably didn't matter.
Thanks....hadn't heard about that.
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Thanks....hadn't heard about that.
Actually there is more to the story from what I've read. He took the shot when it was Sergio's turn. Two course marshalls claim they told him NOT to take the shot, he claimed that was not true. Today two other course marshall's claimed he was told it was okay to take the shot... but like massadjv said: he did so poorly on that hole it probably doesn't matter.
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Actually there is more to the story from what I've read. He took the shot when it was Sergio's turn. Two course marshalls claim they told him NOT to take the shot, he claimed that was not true. Today two other course marshall's claimed he was told it was okay to take the shot... but like massadjv said: he did so poorly on that hole it probably doesn't matter.
No...what he did was....he put his shot into the trees and prematurely took a club from his bag....a wood...which brought a ROAR from his galley, which distracted Garcia who was over his ball ready to swing.
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Maybe $$-NIKE-$$ got to the marshals (the ones who disputed the other marshals who said they never told Tiger Sergio already had hit his shot).
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Jay Busbee, Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/golf--tiger-woods-inviting-a-cloud-of-suspicion-140834313.html)
Tiger Woods inviting a cloud of suspicion
22 hours ago
Barely a third of the way into the 2013 golf season, Tiger Woods has already found himself the focus of three different rules controversies. He's been questioned for his behavior on the course and, in effect, called a liar for his comments off it.
He was penalized two strokes for an illegal drop at the HSBC Championship in January, nearly got disqualified from the Masters after an illegal drop there and this past weekend was questioned for giving himself a favorable drop in the final round of The Players Championship.
[Related: Two marshals on the grounds at Players said Tiger Woods did not lie]
(And if that weren't enough, Sergio Garcia accused Woods of a breach of etiquette during their third-round pairing on Saturday at The Players, leading to a he-said-she-said exchange from four course marshals, two of whom essentially called Woods a liar, two who defended him.)
All of this leads to the question: Why is this happening to Woods again and again?
While it's certainly true that Tiger is the most scrutinized golfer on the planet, watched by millions every time he enters a tournament, it's impossible to ignore the pattern that's developing: that time after time, when given the opportunity, Tiger Woods chooses the interpretation of the rules that's most favorable to him. Each situation isn't a huge deal when examined individually, but within a body of work they matter, especially when considering where he's headed – straight at Jack Nicklaus' record of 18 majors.
Let's get this out of the way: There is absolutely no indication that Woods is cheating on the golf course. None. No golfer in history has been as closely monitored as he is. In an age where hi-def TV viewers can pick up when a ball rotates by a single dimple, there'd be nowhere for Woods to hide.
But there is latitude in golf, which is a game officiated by the players themselves. So it's worth an inspection when a player interprets the rules in a way that consistently benefits him.
Consider, for instance, the infamous "loose impediment" ruling from the 1999 Phoenix Open. There, Woods hit his tee shot into the desert alongside the 13th hole; the ball came to rest behind a one-ton boulder roughly the size of a dishwasher. Woods asked whether the boulder was considered a "loose impediment," meaning it could be moved without penalty. A rules official assented, and Woods asked members of the gallery to haul the boulder out of the way. They happily obliged, and Woods would go on to birdie the hole.
And we already have three separate events in 2013 where Woods' interpretation of the rules has come under scrutiny:
• At the Abu Dhabi HSBC Championship in January, Woods (with the blessing of his playing partner Martin Kaymer) took a free drop after his ball was embedded in a bushel of vines. He was later assessed a two-stroke penalty for taking an illegal drop, and that was enough for him to miss the cut.
• After putting his approach shot into the water on No. 15 during the second round of the Masters, Woods took a drop behind where he hit his initial approach. That's illegal, and he was assessed a penalty the next morning. Only through some legalistic gymnastics was Augusta National able to find an interpretation of the rules that kept Woods from being disqualified.
• At The Players on Sunday, Woods hit a ball into the water in the final round on the 14th hole. Both Woods and playing partner Casey Wittenberg agreed that the ball had hooked hard into the water, even though Woods had turned away from the tee shot before the ball even hit the water. Woods took a drop well up the fairway, rather than playing back from the tee, where it appeared from some replay angles to have last crossed land.
You see where we're going here. In every instance, Woods was conceivably within the rules – or at the very least could claim to be acting within what he thought were the rules – but in each case he opted to err not on the side of caution but on whatever side benefited him. In one case, it got him sent home early; in another, he escaped that fate by the thinnest of margins.
Golf also has expectations for player conduct on the course, and yet Woods constantly pushes that boundary as well. His tendency for screaming profanities on the course keeps broadcast directors up at night. Crowding competitors on the tee, walking off the green and taking the gallery with him before his opponent has finished putting, standing in sight lines … one man's gamesmanship is another's poor sportsmanship.
This just-inside-the-lines style has become Woods' trademark, and it leads to a perception that he cares only about what benefits him best.
It's worked quite well for him so far, but as Woods resumes his march into golf history, we're entering new territory. Imagine for a moment that Tiger had won the Masters in April, giving him major win No. 15. Considering a sizeable faction (including some of his peers) believed he should have been disqualified from the tournament for the illegal drop, what then would we have made of his pursuit of Nicklaus' record? What would history have made of it?
It doesn't seem that Tiger considers public perception – his one public apology in the wake of the cheating scandal had all the warmth of a hostage video – which, of course, is his right. But while perception doesn't always match reality, it can serve as a pretty accurate indicator of what's causing the rumblings. In this case, it's Tiger Woods' interpretation of the rules of golf.
If Woods was under heavy scrutiny before 2013, it's only going to get more intense now that he is firmly back on track in his pursuit of Nicklaus. As Barry Bonds can testify, pursuit of a legend is hard enough; pursuit of a legend under a cloud of suspicion is a lonely road.
Unlike Bonds, Woods has it in his power to dispel any concerns about his approach to the game. But so far, he's shown little interest in doing so. He can certainly argue that he acted within the letter of the law. But can he credibly argue that he acted within the spirit of it?
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Actually there is more to the story from what I've read. He took the shot when it was Sergio's turn. Two course marshalls claim they told him NOT to take the shot, he claimed that was not true. Today two other course marshall's claimed he was told it was okay to take the shot... but like massadjv said: he did so poorly on that hole it probably doesn't matter.
Rap, the event you are speaking of happened on Saturday. The event I referenced happened on Sunday.
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GLF_LONG_PUTTERS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-05-21-07-41-58 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GLF_LONG_PUTTERS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-05-21-07-41-58)
Golf adopts rule to ban anchored putting stroke
Golf's governing bodies approved a new rule Tuesday that outlaws the putting stroke used by four of the last six major champions, going against two major golf organizations that argued long putters are not hurting the game.
The Royal & Ancient Golf Club and U.S. Golf Association said Rule 14-1b would take effect in 2016.
"We recognize this has been a divisive issue, but after thorough consideration, we remain convinced that this is the right decision for golf," R&A chief executive Peter Dawson said.
The new rule does not ban the long putters, only the way they commonly are used. Golfers no longer will be able to anchor the club against their bodies to create the effect of a hinge. Masters champion Adam Scott used a long putter he pressed against his chest. British Open champion Ernie Els and U.S. Open champion Webb Simpson used a belly putter, as did Keegan Bradley in the 2011 PGA Championship.
more at link
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well....that didn't take very long, did it? :whistle:
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Lawyerin' Up....
http://www.cbssports.com/golf/blog/eye-on-golf/22295969/adam-scott-gets-lawyer-for-anchored-putter-ban
Adam Scott-----According to a report by Golf Channel, Scott will be represented in the ongoing anchored putter saga by Harry Manion, who also represents Tim Clark and Carl Pettersson. Here's what Manion said on Friday about Scott:
"I talked to him today, and he felt like it was the right time [to announce his participation in the group]."
PUTTER BAN
Full details of USGA and R&A ban
"The group" is a collection of nine golfers who are opposed to the ban.
According to GolfDigest, Manion has said he doesn't have plans to "initiate legal action" at least until the PGA Tour comes to a decision on the ruling.