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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Sanguine on May 26, 2019, 02:33:11 pm
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by Tyler Durden
Fri, 05/24/2019 - 23:25
The Economic Innovation Group's (EIG) Distressed Communities Index (DCI) shows a significant economic transformation (from two distinct periods: 2007-2011 and 2012-2016) that occurred since the financial crisis. The shift of human capital, job creation, and business formation to metropolitan areas reveals that rural America is teetering on the edge of collapse.
Since the crisis, the number of people living in prosperous zip codes expanded by 10.2 million, to a total of 86.5 million, an increase that was much greater than any other social class. Meanwhile, the number of Americans living in distressed zip codes decreased to 3.4 million, to a total of 50 million, the smallest shift of any other social class. This indicates that the geography of economic pain is in rural America.
"While the overall population in distressed zip codes declined, the number of rural Americans in that category increased by nearly 1 million between the two periods. Rural zip codes exhibited the most volatility and were by far the most likely to be downwardly mobile on the index, with 30 percent dropping into a lower quintile of prosperity—nearly twice the proportion of urban zip codes that fell into a lower quintile. Meanwhile, suburban communities registered the greatest stability, with 61 percent remaining in the same quintile over both periods. Urban zip codes were the most robust—least likely to decline and more likely than their suburban counterparts to rise," the report said...
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-20/rural-america-verge-collapse (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-20/rural-america-verge-collapse)
Some disturbing trends and numbers.
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Some disturbing trends and numbers.
Money ain't everything.
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Money ain't everything.
Being able to make a living and support one's family sure as heck is.
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Some disturbing trends and numbers.
Caveat, though: it's Zerohedge. Everything they preach is doom and gloom.
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Caveat, though: it's Zerohedge. Everything they preach is doom and gloom.
Yeah, that's why I mentioned the numbers.
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Whats that? Leftists... trying to talk down a booming GOP-improved economy? Nah! Couldn't be! *****rollingeyes*****
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Depends on where you are at, but there are definitely good sized chunks of rural America where this is true.
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Depends on where you are at, but there are definitely good sized chunks of rural America where this is true.
I've probably already reached my sarcasm quota for the day, but what the hell... here goes....
I'm sure that those chunks of rural America would have been sooooo much better off under a president Hillary and the Democrats running and ruining things. (that's all I'm allowed... I'm out)
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I've probably already reached my sarcasm quota for the day, but what the hell... here goes....
I'm sure that those chunks of rural America would have been sooooo much better off under a president Hillary and the Democrats running and ruining things. (that's all I'm allowed... I'm out)
Well, some of those chunks were created by liberal policies imposed from major urban areas. Upstate New York, other areas which failed to cash in on oil and gas revenues--which have dropped with the price of oil and may be contributing to the apparent miasma which has overcome the GDP of oil rich areas. There are lots of ways to game the numbers and make relative prosperity seem like doom, too. It all depends on what numbers are picked for the baseline.
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Well, some of those chunks were created by liberal policies imposed from major urban areas. Upstate New York, other areas which failed to cash in on oil and gas revenues--which have dropped with the price of oil and may be contributing to the apparent miasma which has overcome the GDP of oil rich areas. There are lots of ways to game the numbers and make relative prosperity seem like doom, too. It all depends on what numbers are picked for the baseline.
Exactly. And... considering the miasmic economy that the "lowered expectations" Democrats created for the previous 8-9 years.... these past two years have been miraculous, IMO. But per usual, much like they did under GWB, they're trying again (hey, it worked the first time) to melt down the economy by talking (lying) it down. I'm sure they're trying other means behind the scenes, too. Hopefully, we won't find out what other means.... :shrug:
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I've probably already reached my sarcasm quota for the day, but what the hell... here goes....
I'm sure that those chunks of rural America would have been sooooo much better off under a president Hillary and the Democrats running and ruining things. (that's all I'm allowed... I'm out)
This is more of a long term thing that's been going on since the Rust Belt days. It doesn't seem to matter who is President.
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This is more of a long term thing that's been going on since the Rust Belt days. It doesn't seem to matter who is President.
Sorry, but.... I do believe in 'trickle down'. Even if/when you're in Hell. And I don't buy that "doesn't matter who is President" stuff.
That said, I still stick my my initial sarc.... which is based on historical fact. The left will say and do anything to talk down this economy.... just cause it's a Republican in the WH. If there are rural areas of the country that have never done well (since the Rust Belt days?).... that happens. Especially if or when there are lefties involved in governing those areas.
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Sorry, but.... I do believe in 'trickle down'. Even if/when you're in Hell. And I don't buy that "doesn't matter who is President" stuff.
That said, I still stick my my initial sarc.... which is based on historical fact. The left will say and do anything to talk down this economy.... just cause it's a Republican in the WH. If there are rural areas of the country that have never done well (since the Rust Belt days?).... that happens. Especially if or when there are lefties involved in governing those areas.
I live in one of those areas. While Trump has helped immensely, it's just a partial offset to the previous 40 years.
This nation has a very significant problem with it's rural areas, and I don't see it getting better long term, as much as I hope things will change.
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I live in one of those areas. While Trump has helped immensely, it's just a partial offset to the previous 40 years.
This nation has a very significant problem with it's rural areas, and I don't see it getting better long term, as much as I hope things will change.
Well, I hope (for your sake and your family's sake) that things DO get better... no matter which party is in power.
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Jimmy Carter Malaise starting to sprout again, much for the same reasons.
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This is more of a long term thing that's been going on since the Rust Belt days. It doesn't seem to matter who is President.
You can make the numbers look worse by comparing the height of the oil/gas boom of late to the current numbers, with rig counts having declined by 75% in some areas. It looks bad compared to the boom, but in reality it is still a large improvement over the previous baseline
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I've probably already reached my sarcasm quota for the day, but what the hell... here goes....
I'm sure that those chunks of rural America would have been sooooo much better off under a president Hillary and the Democrats running and ruining things. (that's all I'm allowed... I'm out)
@XenaLee, the article doesn't even mention Trump. It talks about trends that started before his election.
And, the Chinese stuff is hurting farmers, no question. As you know, I support resetting that trade imbalance and recognize that it will hurt, some. But, much less than if we do nothing.
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@XenaLee, the article doesn't even mention Trump. It talks about trends that started before his election.
And, the Chinese stuff is hurting farmers, no question. As you know, I support resetting that trade imbalance and recognize that it will hurt, some. But, much less than if we do nothing.
I don't really care that the article didn't mention Trump. Trump and his policies are literally the elephant in the room that needs no official mention.
As for resetting the trade imbalance ....no other president has even addressed that problem or tried a reset previous to Trump (that I'm aware of). Yet another instance of that elephant in the room not mentioned.
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I don't really care that the article didn't mention Trump. Trump and his policies are literally the elephant in the room that needs no official mention.
As for resetting the trade imbalance ....no other president has even addressed that problem or tried a reset previous to Trump (that I'm aware of). Yet another instance of that elephant in the room not mentioned.
In all fairness, the article was about American farmers and problems beyond just the China reset. Again, I think it needs to happen and soon.
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Regardless, life in rural America is way better than life in metropolitan America. There is no economic opportunity in the world worth giving up country life for, as far as I am concerned.
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Regardless, life in rural America is way better than life in metropolitan America. There is no economic opportunity in the world worth giving up country life for, as far as I am concerned.
True dat!
A country boy will survive.
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In all fairness, the article was about American farmers and problems beyond just the China reset. Again, I think it needs to happen and soon.
Whatev
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I've seen with my own eyes what this study has talked about. And it seems to be accelerating.
The younger generation, despite the good show they put on about not following the materialistic ways of previous generations, are fully indoctrinated with pop culture, love the amenities, and the educated ones can't get to the burbs fast enough.
The drain in many rural areas is relentless and self perpetuating. Trump has really helped with reviving some of that by giving manufacturing a boost with his policies, but under the age of 50 what you have left of the younger generation is mostly the dregs except for a very small minority that just can't stand the big city.
It's the long term that worries me, especially with more automation on the horizon that ultimately is going to drastically reduce the middle class and the affluence of the very burbs everyone's flocking to.
If it plays out, we're heading toward a model of urban city-states, and vast rural areas of scattered population here and there with lots of nothing in between.
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The real, surprisingly comforting, reason rural America is "doomed to decline" (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,363033.new.html#new)
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The real, surprisingly comforting, reason rural America is "doomed to decline" (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,363033.new.html#new)
Can't believe I'm agreeing with the Compost, but this is correct:
Without growing cities, the remaining rural areas paint a dark picture
Rural America today is a different place than in 1950. It’s much smaller and has lost its midsize towns and the counties that surrounded bigger cities.
The areas left after seven decades of reclassification tend to be defined by their history of clawing resources, such as copper, timber or winter wheat, from the open country, and their present of clawing a living from an older population and a shrinking economy.
“Those kinds of areas have been losing population for a long time. When they leave, they leave behind an older, aging population with no reproductive potential,†Lichter said. “It’s very hard to see how these places are going to recover,†he added.
Point being, at one time small and mid-size towns could stand on their own. Not anymore. Too many factors working against them.
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I've seen with my own eyes what this study has talked about. And it seems to be accelerating.
The younger generation, despite the good show they put on about not following the materialistic ways of previous generations, are fully indoctrinated with pop culture, love the amenities, and the educated ones can't get to the burbs fast enough.
The drain in many rural areas is relentless and self perpetuating. Trump has really helped with reviving some of that by giving manufacturing a boost with his policies, but under the age of 50 what you have left of the younger generation is mostly the dregs except for a very small minority that just can't stand the big city.
It's the long term that worries me, especially with more automation on the horizon that ultimately is going to drastically reduce the middle class and the affluence of the very burbs everyone's flocking to.
If it plays out, we're heading toward a model of urban city-states, and vast rural areas of scattered population here and there with lots of nothing in between.
More automation means the overall cost of production decreases, and therefore the price of goods decreases, making the money you make go farther, or put differently, allowing access to a "middle class" lifestyle at a reduced income. Now, some (who believe economics is a zero sum game) will say that everyone will be out of work and won't be able to afford anything, while I would argue that there will simply be a shifting of labor from certain fields to others, such as when the Industrial Revolution allowed so many to move from agriculture to more specialized fields (NOT a knock on farmers there, just saying less use for manual labor freed up hands to do other things).
Personally, I suspect that as work becomes less tied to physical location, we'll see more movement to suburban lifestyle.
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Rural America will survive. It is urban America that is in trouble. But they don't know how screwed they are.
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More automation means the overall cost of production decreases, and therefore the price of goods decreases, making the money you make go farther, or put differently, allowing access to a "middle class" lifestyle at a reduced income. Now, some (who believe economics is a zero sum game) will say that everyone will be out of work and won't be able to afford anything, while I would argue that there will simply be a shifting of labor from certain fields to others, such as when the Industrial Revolution allowed so many to move from agriculture to more specialized fields (NOT a knock on farmers there, just saying less use for manual labor freed up hands to do other things).
Personally, I suspect that as work becomes less tied to physical location, we'll see more movement to suburban lifestyle.
You are far more positive about the middle class/suburbs than I. May it work out the way you predict.
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Rural America will survive. It is urban America that is in trouble. But they don't know how screwed they are.
Yeah. That's right.
It's always a hard scrabble to be independent and self-reliant. That will never change.
And because of it, because of the necessity of self-reliance, the country way is always hard - hard in the form of a monetary economy. But in the country, money is not the point, and it never has been.
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Sadly,this is old news and very true.
I took a trip a couple of years ago that I used to take on weekends maybe 30 years ago. I still sometimes drive to the same destination,but use the modern interstate highways to save time and money.
That one time I had plenty of time to kill on my way back home,so I decided to take the same old US and state roads I used to drive back then.
It broke my heart. Whole little towns have died. Yeah,they were more of rural farm centers than they were actual towns,but every one of them had a laundromat,a fast food restaurant or two,a grocery store,and a couple of gas stations where people could get tires fixed and their vehicles serviced.
ALL those stores were closed,and there were weeds and tall grass growing up in one Hardees parking lot that USED to do a pretty good business. There were even houses on main street that were probably built in the 1920's and still occupied by the original families back when the towns were thriving,that sat there with roofs caved in and rotting on the inside. No windows broken out of fires because there are no vandals in these little towns. These houses were destroyed due to being vacant and being neglected.
These were little town businesses,but besides providing places for the locals to socialize in public while shopping locally,they also provided jobs for some of the local kids.
Those jobs are now gone forever,and they are not coming back.
Those COMMUNITIES are now gone forever and they are not coming back.
Yeah,you can still buy gas at some of the exits from the interstate,but that is a sterile corporate environment populated by strangers passing through,it's not a community of neighbors.
I know some of you have never experienced rural America on this level,but it is a loss to us all.
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Being able to make a living and support one's family sure as heck is.
@Sanguine :amen:
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This is more of a long term thing that's been going on since the Rust Belt days. It doesn't seem to matter who is President.
@Free Vulcan
Exactly!
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I don't really care that the article didn't mention Trump. Trump and his policies are literally the elephant in the room that needs no official mention.
As for resetting the trade imbalance ....no other president has even addressed that problem or tried a reset previous to Trump (that I'm aware of). Yet another instance of that elephant in the room not mentioned.
@XenaLee
The trade balance doesn't have a damn thing to do with modernization. With modern farm methods and equipment,one man can now do the work of dozens,or even hundreds,and not even break into a sweat.
Farming also traditionally supplied the manpower need that allowed people to live in rural areas. In addition,there were lots of small manufacturing plants built in rural areas to take advantage of the lower land and labor expenses,and the abundance of people looking for jobs. In turn,all this provided the customers needed to build fast food restaurants,garages to service their cars and trucks,laundromats,grocery stores,gas stations,etc,etc,etc.
When the jobs started leaving,the young people had to start leaving so they could find new jobs.
Anytime a situation exists where almost all of the young people have to leave an area in order to find jobs,the local towns die.
Farming will NEVER become less-mechanized and the young people have already fled for greener pastures,so I don't know if there is an answer to this problem.
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Regardless, life in rural America is way better than life in metropolitan America. There is no economic opportunity in the world worth giving up country life for, as far as I am concerned.
@massadvj
Never been broke and hungry,have you?
Or in need of skilled medical care?
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If it plays out, we're heading toward a model of urban city-states, and vast rural areas of scattered population here and there with lots of nothing in between.
@Free Vulcan
We are already there in some cases.
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Anytime a situation exists where almost all of the young people have to leave an area in order to find jobs,the local towns die.
Farming will NEVER become less-mechanized and the young people have already fled for greener pastures,so I don't know if there is an answer to this problem.
I am seeing the exact opposite. Maybe because I am well known to the hillbillies, and have bush skills, and I am stuck like I have one foot nailed down, just a mile out of town... Maybe that makes me more accessible than others...
But I get a whole lot of communication with young folks fleeing the city and buying abandoned farms back up in the holler. Most of em make their money outside of the valley - many are doing online marketing and such... But they are bringing their kids to where life is real... learning how to do things like their grandfolks did...
Cold starting a mountain farm, long neglected, is no easy thing. But they are taking it on and learning how.
And more than that, they are cold-starting a way of life that they are wholly unfamiliar with, struggling 10 times harder than those born to it, and doing it with joy in their hearts.
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Rural America will survive. It is urban America that is in trouble. But they don't know how screwed they are.
@The Ghost
You have obviously never lived in rural America.
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I am seeing the exact opposite. Maybe because I am well known to the hillbillies, and have bush skills, and I am stuck like I have one foot nailed down, just a mile out of town... Maybe that makes me more accessible than others...
But I get a whole lot of communication with young folks fleeing the city and buying abandoned farms back up in the holler. Most of em make their money outside of the valley - many are doing online marketing and such... But they are bringing their kids to where life is real... learning how to do things like their grandfolks did...
Cold starting a mountain farm, long neglected, is no easy thing. But they are taking it on and learning how.
And more than that, they are cold-starting a way of life that they are wholly unfamiliar with, struggling 10 times harder than those born to it, and doing it with joy in their hearts.
Yuppie "hobby farming" isn't going to bring rural America back. It might help some in certain select areas that become trendy,but they will eventually get bored and move back to a city.
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I live in rural Texas. Very rural. We have seen the opposite of collapse here. The county is flourishing. We have some industries that allow us to remain rural, but offer jobs.
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I live in rural Texas. Very rural. We have seen the opposite of collapse here. The county is flourishing. .
@Sanguine
Why?
There has to be a reason.
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Yuppie "hobby farming" isn't going to bring rural America back. It might help some in certain select areas that become trendy,but they will eventually get bored and move back to a city.
This is not yuppie hobby farming. This is kids learning animal husbandry and gardening, hunting and forage. They are specifically learning the old way. And while some fail, many are succeeding, and grateful to find truth.
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@massadvj
Never been broke and hungry,have you?
Or in need of skilled medical care?
I have been very fortunate health-wise. The first serious medical care I needed in my life was cataract surgery, which I had last year. I could have put that off for a while, but now that it is done, am I ever happy. I have had no other serious health scares myself, though I did lose a wife to cancer four years ago.
Broke? I have been broke many times in my life, particularly in my early 20s. But there were always people around willing to give me a bed to sleep in and food to eat. Did not need to go on a government program to get it.
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Rural America will survive. It is urban America that is in trouble. But they don't know how screwed they are.
Absolutely! 888high58888
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@Sanguine
Why?
There has to be a reason.
Why? My best guess would be: 1) energy-industry related stuff, 2) people moving to Texas in droves :(, and 3) some retirees coming out here and raising cattle and other farming activities.
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@roamer_1
My husband and I owned a house in a Texas city where we lived; we also had a lake house. After he died, I moved to the lake house in the country, Cape Royale gated subdivision. It is promoted as a retirement place for older people who have enough money to live there. After some years there, I had to move to a town/city with doctors and a hospital - so did the other older people who lived in Cape Royale. A woman who was the Mayor of a small town in that county, gave up her Mayoral job to move closer to doctors/hospital.
I became an EMT to respond to people in Cape Royale before the volunteer ambulance could get there and sometimes they did not get there. Most of these people who needed an ambulance, moved from there after they got back home from the hospital as it was 30 miles to a hospital and doctors if the ambulance showed up to take them there.
I think people move from the country more often than they used to due to cities having more services for older people. Very few people grow any food plants even if they live in the country.
Growing Food In A City
When I left the lake house for the city, I started a container food garden in my townhouse small backyard - had 150+ food plants that I grew from seed that I started inside my townhouse.
Water In A City
If you have a Big Berkey Water Purifier (purifier not a filter), you will have pure water even if the only place you find water is in a ditch. Just buy my book, PM me if interested, "Emergencies Happen! Be Prepared Now!" to know how to survive in the country and in the city.
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Caveat, though: it's Zerohedge. Everything they preach is doom and gloom.
Yep.
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I think people move from the country more often than they used to due to cities having more services for older people. Very few people grow any food plants even if they live in the country.
@Victoria33
I think you are right in the main - Old folks, especially those whose family is widespread or whose family is small, cannot often withstand the rigors of country life - the generational promise has been broken by familial dispersal and the false promises brought by big government... So folks move on to where they can receive the services their family should be providing.
Thankfully, our clan is strong enough and half-wise together enough that I doubt my mother will have to leave her house, that she has built over many, many years to be a home, not only for my generation, but for many grands and great-grands too. It is my fondest wish as she approaches graduation from this life, that she would pass on in that very home.
We still do grow most of our own food - either at the familial garden, or my sister's garden, and soon to be my garden... And what we don't grow ourselves, is made up out of the tails of other gardens grown by our friends.
Our meat is our own, or hunted, or again, bought or traded from friends right here in the valley - The best friend of my youth owns a meat processing plant, so I can trust all the meat I eat, except the odd bit of hamburger or chicken when we are running short.
That is a capability only because of the family. Were it not for the Clan mentality, we would not have the manpower to do it in each individual House.
And that is a whole lot of what these young kids are coming to the sticks for... I won't deny that there is some doomsday involved - Nearly all of them feel something in the air, and want to remove their families from the populated areas that will be insane if things collapse (which you and I both know is just a matter of time).
But more than that, these kids are wary and tired of the plastic-banana existence they grew up in. To a man they are tired of chasing the carrot that they will never achieve, and will not suffer the the sterile and empty life of 9to5, college debt, mortgage debt, credit card debt, auto loan debt... just to spend their entire life working for the weekend and a big screen tv.
They want to put down roots. They want their hands in the dirt, the shit, and the blood. They want spirit. They want life. You should see the pride of accomplishment in them for every one of the achievements they successfully gain - the first calf or kid birth... fixing their own car or tractor... their first really productive year in the garden...
I just had a couple here to drop off a laptop, and the gal gave me a quart of dilly beans that she made all by herself as a gift. She got so much satisfaction out of that - That she could afford to give a little something, and that it was received with happy gusto.
The dilly beans are a perfect example of the difference. Not all that much in the making of it, I suppose, since she likely put up way more than she needed, and it was a token of a production run... But she prettied it up with a chunk of checkerboard cloth over the top, and a beautiful hand-written note - Just minutes in the making of it I suppose... But the whole of it resulted in a wonderful and very personal gift as a physical appreciation of me... and me being just a touch more than an acquaintance.
You just don't get that sort of thing in the city - or at least, I seldom did. That's the kind of folks these kids are - most of them - the kind to ride the river with.
None of them will ever be rich in the sense the OP is talking about a big acreage and a house full of kids will see to that... But country life is reckoned with a different kind of wealth, which is what I have been saying here.
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This is not yuppie hobby farming. This is kids learning animal husbandry and gardening, hunting and forage. They are specifically learning the old way. And while some fail, many are succeeding, and grateful to find truth.
Truly glad to hear that @roamer_1
Considering all the lip service the younger generation gives to that topic, glad to see some putting skin in the game.
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I have been very fortunate health-wise. The first serious medical care I needed in my life was cataract surgery, which I had last year. I could have put that off for a while, but now that it is done, am I ever happy. I have had no other serious health scares myself, though I did lose a wife to cancer four years ago.
Broke? I have been broke many times in my life, particularly in my early 20s. But there were always people around willing to give me a bed to sleep in and food to eat. Did not need to go on a government program to get it.
@massadvj
You have been fortunate,indeed. Good for you. Many people aren't that lucky,though.
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Regardless, life in rural America is way better than life in metropolitan America. There is no economic opportunity in the world worth giving up country life for, as far as I am concerned.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Population decline in rural zip codes mostly is a result of fewer people being needed to farm the same land, but also of people simply moving into town. In Kansas our population has been steady over the past century or so, but all of our cities and large towns have been growing. I'm not sure this is a sign of anything worth calling "collapse".
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Interesting issue.
In my own town, just 25 years ago, the population was 36,846
It is 117,869 last check, 2018.
Some of it due to annexation, and some due to just flat-out growth.
We are just a Houston Suburb now, instead of being just good size town, away from the city.
My wife and I are older now, and we talk about going out farther, to a more rural environment, but one of our concerns as @sneakypete pointed out, is specialized medical care access.
Right now, I am 1 mile from a highway (90A) that splits off to Main street, Houston, Texas Medical Center.
No, I don't like this newer version of were we live now, but I do not know how far out I can go, and still feel comfortable that I can get some of the medical amenities that may be needed.
I do miss seeing stars at night......
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Interesting issue.
In my own town, just 25 years ago, the population was 36,846
It is 117,869 last check, 2018.
Some of it due to annexation, and some due to just flat-out growth.
We are just a Houston Suburb now, instead of being just good size town, away from the city.
My wife and I are older now, and we talk about going out farther, to a more rural environment, but one of our concerns as @sneakypete pointed out, is specialized medical care access.
Right now, I am 1 mile from a highway (90A) that splits off to Main street, Houston, Texas Medical Center.
No, I don't like this newer version of were we live now, but I do not know how far out I can go, and still feel comfortable that I can get some of the medical amenities that may be needed.
I do miss seeing stars at night......
It is an interesting issue.
I'm still rural but urban spread is creeping up. And all that goes along with it.
At one time the "city fathers" discouraged any type of growth. Don't get me wrong...I miss the old days but kind of like the restaurants and stores.
And property prices have soared! I'm such an idiot for not buying a lot of property when I first moved here. It was dirt cheap. Oh well...I sold my cattle BEFORE the Atkinson diet. happy77
I still have bright stars...but they are dimmed by the "new folks" that have put in street lights that they can buy from the electric co-op. Some of the magic is gone. I hate that.
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When I first moved here (New Braunfels, TX) in 92 the population was 23K and you could still see a lot of the stars at night. Bought a 100yo small house for 50K a block from the Comal River. Now we are the 2nd fastest growing city in the US (percentage wise) and are at 90K population. My house is now worth 225K but there are very few stars on a clear night and the sirens all through the summer (Houstonians drowning) are a bit too much for me.
Contemplating going west to the Frio (Uvalde area) this Town/River is played out.
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