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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Cyber Liberty on February 19, 2019, 03:07:56 pm
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Grand Canyon Tourists Exposed To Radiation For Nearly Two Decades
Graeme Gallagher | Contributor
2/18/19
Three paint buckets full of uranium were sitting in the Grand Canyon’s museum collection building, exposing tourists for nearly two decades to radiation, according to USA Today on Monday.
Even though the five-gallon containers were removed from the site last June, this is the first time that park workers or the public have been warned of the possible exposure to radiation.
The park’s safety, health and wellness manager Elston Stephenson sent an email Feb. 4 to all Park Service employees about the alleged cover-up.
“If you were in the Museum Collections Building (2C) between the year 2000 and June 18, 2018, you were ‘exposed’ to uranium by OSHA’s definition,†Stephenson wrote.
Stephenson said that he repeatedly told Park executives to warn the public and workers, but was always shut down.
More at link: https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/18/grand-canyon-radiation-decades/
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The last time I was at the Canyon they still had an abandoned Uranium mine within walking distance of the South Rim Visitor's Center.
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I better check my basement. Never know when you might have a couple of paint cans full of hazmat lying around.
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I better check my basement. Never know when you might have a couple of paint cans full of hazmat lying around.
I have five sons. There is almost always some form of hazmat in my basement.
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i'm on it! Got my trusty Sears store bought out of storage.
(https://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/surveymeters/tower.jpg)
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Don't forget all the radioactive Coleman mantles.
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Somewhere, unless I lost it I have a radioactive anti-static brush for cleaning albums.
Oh, and I have a bunch of radioactive rocks from my dad. He had a display of fluorescent rocks.
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My husband and I have hiked to the bottom of the Grand Canyon twice, and haven't visited any museums, so I guess we're safe. wink777
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Stephenson could be a trouble maker?
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Stephenson could be a trouble maker?
He is...but the Parks people did find Uranium laying around. Malcontents can sometimes be accurate too.
I'm not that surprised because the South Rim used to be the site of an active Uranium mine.
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My husband and I have hiked to the bottom of the Grand Canyon twice, and haven't visited any museums, so I guess we're safe. wink777
I always wanted to do that. :crying:
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I always wanted to do that. :crying:
I would rather sit on my ass, or a mule.
(https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/images/mules-collage.jpg)
https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/mule_trips.htm (https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/mule_trips.htm)
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Oh my gosh!
***hair on fire
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I would rather sit on my ass, or a mule.
(https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/images/mules-collage.jpg)
https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/mule_trips.htm (https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/mule_trips.htm)
It's a long hike to the river from the South Rim. The most commonly used trail is Bright Angel, I saw lots of mules on it.
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Somewhere, unless I lost it I have a radioactive anti-static brush for cleaning albums.
Oh, and I have a bunch of radioactive rocks from my dad. He had a display of fluorescent rocks.
I sure I got my daily dose back in the '60 and '70's.
(https://thoroglove.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/radium-dial-watch.jpg)
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I would rather sit on my ass, or a mule.
As I walked I would see in the faces of people on those mules that they really wanted to be down walking instead.
Maybe it was the thought of trusting their life to an animal as they stared down below.
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I always wanted to do that. :crying:
It was a grand experience!
The first time was in July............ WAY too hot. (115 degrees at the bottom.......... and it's a long way from when you get to the bottom to Phantom Ranch!)
The second time we got smart and went in May. It was snowing at the top, but as we went down and it got warmer we saw the most amazing vegetation, including gorgeous cactus in bloom, wildlife and God's AMAZING creation in the colors of the rocks.
We camped in a tent by Bright Angel Creek and headed back up at about 4:00 in the morning to avoid the heat.
It's a Loooooooong way up!
Nothing in the world quite like it.
Of all the magnificent experiences in nature I've had, it was by far the best! I'd do it again in a heart beat!
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I would rather sit on my ass, or a mule.
(https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/images/mules-collage.jpg)
https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/mule_trips.htm (https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/mule_trips.htm)
Even though no one has ever died going down on a mule, I'd be scared to death because they love to go right up to the edge and I have intense acrophobia.
When you're on your own feet, you can hug the inner edge of the trail. MUCH better!
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What was the actual radiation exposure here? Just because the buckets contained uranium does not mean that everyone nearby received a dangerous dose of radiation.
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What was the actual radiation exposure here? Just because the buckets contained uranium does not mean that everyone nearby received a dangerous dose of radiation.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2019/02/18/grand-canyon-tourists-exposed-radiation-safety-manager-says/2876435002/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2019/02/18/grand-canyon-tourists-exposed-radiation-safety-manager-says/2876435002/)
...The report indicated radiation levels at "13.9 mR/hr" where the buckets were stored, and "800 mR/hr" on contact with the ore. Just 5 feet from the buckets, there was a zero reading. The abbreviation, "mR" typically stands for milliroentgen, a measurement roughly equivalent to a millirem, according to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
The NRC says average radiation exposure in the United States from natural sources is 300 millirems per year at sea level, or 400 at high altitude.
The commission lists a maximum safe dosage for the public, beyond natural radiation, is no more than 2 millirems per hour, or 100 per year....
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2019/02/18/grand-canyon-tourists-exposed-radiation-safety-manager-says/2876435002/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2019/02/18/grand-canyon-tourists-exposed-radiation-safety-manager-says/2876435002/)
...The report indicated radiation levels at "13.9 mR/hr" where the buckets were stored, and "800 mR/hr" on contact with the ore. Just 5 feet from the buckets, there was a zero reading. The abbreviation, "mR" typically stands for milliroentgen, a measurement roughly equivalent to a millirem, according to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
The NRC says average radiation exposure in the United States from natural sources is 300 millirems per year at sea level, or 400 at high altitude.
The commission lists a maximum safe dosage for the public, beyond natural radiation, is no more than 2 millirems per hour, or 100 per year....
So, unless you were standing right next to the buckets, or were rummaging around in them, your exposure was minimal.
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What was the actual radiation exposure here? Just because the buckets contained uranium does not mean that everyone nearby received a dangerous dose of radiation.
The story doesn't give the data from the Geiger counters. IMHO that whole place has high background radiation, being a former site of a Uranium mine. Somewhere in the pile of stuff I'm moving to our new home I have some snapshots I took of the mine.
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So, unless you were standing right next to the buckets, or were rummaging around in them, your exposure was minimal.
School kids taking a guided tour of the Visitors Center stood right next to the buckets for half-hour discussions about the Canyon. They were parked next to the Taxidermy exhibit. Park workers worked next to them for years.
I'm not a big fan of inflated fears over these things, but this looks pretty bad.
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School kids taking a guided tour of the Visitors Center stood right next to the buckets for half-hour discussions about the Canyon. They were parked next to the Taxidermy exhibit. Park workers worked next to them for years.
I'm not a big fan of inflated fears over these things, but this looks pretty bad.
Get ready for the law suits over any ailment known to man to be blamed on these "buckets".
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Get ready for the law suits over any ailment known to man to be blamed on these "buckets".
'Firmtive.
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@musiclady
I was there one time. To me, seeing that one can't deny God made it. No words can explain that grand view - it is overwhelming.
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@musiclady
I was there one time. To me, seeing that one can't deny God made it. No words can explain that grand view - it is overwhelming.
I've only been there once. I hiked across, with my sister and BIL. We slept at the bottom the first day. Slept half way up. And out the third day. Then we flew back across in a Cessna right at sunset. The view flying low in that small plane was wonderful. Some campers had lost a dog a couple of weeks before and was found. He flew back with us. When we got to the airport at the South side, the airline wanted to charge for the dog. I told them the dog rode in my lap and didn't occupy a seat so there was no charge.
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@musiclady
I was there one time. To me, seeing that one can't deny God made it. No words can explain that grand view - it is overwhelming.
I agree wholeheartedly. The best photos in Arizona Highways can't do it justice.
One has to be there to appreciate it. I can imagine the thoughts and feelings of the first Spanish to encounter it.
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I've only been there once. I hiked across, with my sister and BIL. We slept at the bottom the first day. Slept half way up. And out the third day. Then we flew back across in a Cessna right at sunset. The view flying low in that small plane was wonderful. Some campers had lost a dog a couple of weeks before and was found. He flew back with us. When we got to the airport at the South side, the airline wanted to charge for the dog. I told them the dog rode in my lap and didn't occupy a seat so there was no charge.
Rim-to-rim is one heckuva hike. Kudos!
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Somewhere, unless I lost it I have a radioactive anti-static brush for cleaning albums.
Oh, and I have a bunch of radioactive rocks from my dad. He had a display of fluorescent rocks.
Hmmmmm. I have a surface bit box full of rocks from Nevada in my office, but never checked them for radiation... :shrug: (Fluorescent rocks aren't necessarily radioactive, they just get excited at the right wavelengths).
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@musiclady
I was there one time. To me, seeing that one can't deny God made it. No words can explain that grand view - it is overwhelming.
Absolutely @Victoria33 .
And no offense to the evolutionists on this board, but I fall on the floor laughing every time I think that they think that itty bitty river made all that beauty.
Ya gotta be blind!
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Absolutely @Victoria33 .
And no offense to the evolutionists on this board, but I fall on the floor laughing every time I think that they think that itty bitty river made all that beauty.
Ya gotta be blind!
God chooses what means He uses, not us.
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Absolutely @Victoria33 .
And no offense to the evolutionists on this board, but I fall on the floor laughing every time I think that they think that itty bitty river made all that beauty.
Ya gotta be blind!
Well, the water had a couple million years head stat on us. That said, one cannot deny God's face written in those stones.
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Hmmmmm. I have a surface bit box full of rocks from Nevada in my office, but never checked them for radiation... :shrug: (Fluorescent rocks aren't necessarily radioactive, they just get excited at the right wavelengths).
I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around excited rocks... :laugh:
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Hmmmmm. I have a surface bit box full of rocks from Nevada in my office, but never checked them for radiation... :shrug: (Fluorescent rocks aren't necessarily radioactive, they just get excited at the right wavelengths).
True. I just know my uranium ore is fluorescent.
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True. I just know my uranium ore is fluorescent.
If it's Uranium ore, it's hot, whether it is fluorescent or not. Some is both.
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It's both alright.
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I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around excited rocks... :laugh:
That's a relief. 888mouth
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Follow the money.
There's a law firm somewhere that is going to be advertising at 3AM on the History and Discovery channels for anybody with symptoms of exposure to radiation.
"Billions have been set aside..... call today"
And I'll bet is an Obama/Clinton related firm in some way.
I'm such a cynical bastard...cultivated over 72 years. :laugh:
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Follow the money.
There's a law firm somewhere that is going to be advertising at 3AM on the History and Discovery channels for anybody with symptoms of exposure to radiation.
"Billions have been set aside..... call today"
And I'll bet is an Obama/Clinton related firm in some way.
I'm such a cynical bastard...cultivated over 72 years. :laugh:
Nah, You just understand the legal profession.
(How did they get that talcum powder all the way up in their ovaries anyway?)
Nevermind. I'm not sure I wanna know.
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Nah, You just understand the legal profession.
(How did they get that talcum powder all the way up in their ovaries anyway?)
Nevermind. I'm not sure I wanna know.
:laugh:
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God chooses what means He uses, not us.
No argument there.
But all the billions of years that can be concocted can't come up with the beauty and grandeur of the Canyon he put there for our pleasure.
And it warn't no river what made it. happy77
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No argument there.
But all the billions of years that can be concocted can't come up with the beauty and grandeur of the Canyon he put there for our pleasure.
And it warn't no river what made it. happy77
Musiclady, yes, this is offensive. If you want to believe it, that's fine. Don't throw shade at me for believing that God used His usual methods.
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Clark Griswold knew....
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Musiclady, yes, this is offensive. If you want to believe it, that's fine. Don't throw shade at me for believing that God used His usual methods.
Offensive?? Stating what I believe is offensive??
You can believe what you want, but don't throw shade at me for not believing what you believe.
See?? Your "offense" can go both ways.
btw, I learned a long, long time ago not to die on this hill. If you want to end a friendship or get mad for the things that have offended you in the past few days, go for it.
But I'm not playing this game.
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Offensive?? Stating what I believe is offensive??
You can believe what you want, but don't throw shade at me for not believing what you believe.
See?? Your "offense" can go both ways.
btw, I learned a long, long time ago not to die on this hill. If you want to end a friendship or get mad for the things that have offended you in the past few days, go for it.
But I'm not playing this game.
Nope, stating what you believe is not offensive.
However, being contemptuous towards others can be:
And no offense to the evolutionists on this board, but I fall on the floor laughing every time I think that they think that itty bitty river made all that beauty.
Oh, those stupid ol' evolutionists. LMAO!
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Nope, stating what you believe is not offensive.
However, being contemptuous towards others can be:
Oh, those stupid ol' evolutionists. LMAO!
Well, by the numbers, it is technically stupid. That river would have had to flow uphill for centuries. Check it out.
The catastrophic argument holds more water (did you see what I did there?) :silly:
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Well, by the numbers, it is technically stupid. That river would have had to flow uphill for centuries. Check it out.
The catastrophic argument holds more water (did you see what I did there?) :silly:
Does that take into account continental uplift? There's evidence of a major uplift, couple hundred miles to the south...Mogollan Rim.
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Does that take into account continental uplift? There's evidence of a major uplift, couple hundred miles to the south...Mogollan Rim.
Go study it.
And while you are at it. explain to me how there is no erosive demarcation between layers. The layers are laid down in pristine fashion, one after the other, with no erosion between them...
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Go study it.
And while you are at it. explain to me how there is no erosive demarcation between layers. The layers are laid down in pristine fashion, one after the other, with no erosion between them...
Geology is not my wheelhouse. :shrug:
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Geology is not my wheelhouse. :shrug:
Me neither. I am just a natural contrarian... I look at the errata... Why lofty theories won't work, not how they will... One single piece of errata will knock down the grandest of theories... Tpp bad science no longer looks at things that way.
But really - go study on it. I would like to hear your idea of a common sense solution.
As for me, catastrophism seems to be the best explanation. And that does not support a long time-frame.
But I will not try to convince you. Go see for yourself.
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God chooses what means He uses, not us.
My God is big enough to make the Grand Canyon. Science indicates it took Him a long time.
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My God is big enough to make the Grand Canyon. Science indicates it took Him a long time.
And, His time is not as our time.
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And, His time is not as our time.
Not true. Study the function of the Jubilees.
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Not true. Study the function of the Jubilees.
If cryptic notes is all you're offering, then, no, I'm good. Don't do that.
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If cryptic notes is all you're offering, then, no, I'm good. Don't do that.
I did not mean it to be cryptic at all. The prophetic nature of the Jubilee does not support an old earth position.
Rather, cannot.
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Me neither. I am just a natural contrarian... I look at the errata... Why lofty theories won't work, not how they will... One single piece of errata will knock down the grandest of theories... Tpp bad science no longer looks at things that way.
But really - go study on it. I would like to hear your idea of a common sense solution.
As for me, catastrophism seems to be the best explanation. And that does not support a long time-frame.
But I will not try to convince you. Go see for yourself.
I'll think about that...
BTW, I don't need convincing. I'm wishy-washy. :whistle: Now, I need to Goggle the Jubilee thing...
ETA: Is this what you mean?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jubilees
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I've been to the Grand Canyon several times, haven't lost any sleep over being irradiated.
OTOH, we visited the Trinity Site on the 50th anniversary of the test in 1945. That could be a bit more problematic, though I haven't noticed anything yet.
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I've been to the Grand Canyon several times, haven't lost any sleep over being irradiated.
OTOH, we visited the Trinity Site on the 50th anniversary of the test in 1945. That could be a bit more problematic, though I haven't noticed anything yet.
I've always wanted to see the Trinity monument. I heard it was open two days a year?
Oh, were you able to get any Trinitite? I'll bet the guards had orders to shoot....
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I've always wanted to see the Trinity monument. I heard it was open two days a year?
Oh, were you able to get any Trinitite? I'll bet the guards had orders to shoot....
No, we didn't take any "souvenirs" home. lol
It's open on 4/6 and 10/5 this year.
Whenever the opportunity arises, I like to visit places where historical events took place. Off the top of my head, I've been to a few, such as The Alamo, Trinity Site, Gettysburg, and Sun Studio (Memphis, where Elvis, Johnny Cash, and others recorded their first records).
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I wouldn’t want to be around those buckets, but at least the visitors aren’t one of these guys…..
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My dad was in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki during the Occupation.
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Nope, stating what you believe is not offensive.
However, being contemptuous towards others can be:
Oh, those stupid ol' evolutionists. LMAO!
I have never for one moment thought that evolutionists are stupid, @Sanguine. I have a LOT of scientists in my family, some of whom are Creationists and some of whom are Evolutionists and they are ALL highly intelligent.
But my thoughts and beliefs are not so fragile that a little good natured ribbing offends me.
And I figured yours weren't either.
But the truth remains....... it does make me laugh to think that a river by chance in one spot in all the world caused all that beauty. It's illogical to me. And I am old enough to have watched the timeline grow and grow over the decades to try to explain what cannot have occurred on the original 'scientific' calendar of events. It is far more rational to me that God chose to create it so that for all time on earth people would gasp at His creation.
But as I said, this is not the hill I choose to die on.
And, of all the people on this forum, I consider you the least stupid among us.
So be not offended. Just disagree and move on.