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Caddell Bombshell: GOP Establishment Wants the IRS to Go After the Tea Party
February 17, 2014
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RUSH: The Republican Party establishment... Let me set this up by going back to the 2012 presidential campaign. Remember when you learned that the Romney campaign, along with Republican establishment types, had put the word out that there was to be no criticism of Obama? In fact, I remember... I think I told you all this. A prospective Republican presidential candidate in 2010 or 2011 visited me.
There was some confab here in Palm Beach, and this man called and wanted to come by and tell me what his plans were. So I said, "Sure, come on by Sunday morning." The guy said, "Rush, now, I just want to tell you: We can't go after Obama. That's instant death. We can go after his policies, but we can't go after Obama." I said, "Really? How do you separate 'em? How do you not go after Obama if you're going after his policies? How could you go after his policies while not going after Obama?"
"We can't make it personal, Rush. We just can't do it." And that bled over to the Romney campaign, so much so that in the debates they wouldn't even bring up Benghazi. So now, the Republican establishment has let everybody in the party know that they will not tolerate, they will not advocate, and they won't put up with anybody attacking the Clintons' past. If Hillary runs for president, there will be no discussion of Lewinsky and the blue dress.
There will be no discussion of the Rose Law Firm, the billing records. There will be none of that stuff from the past. "We're not gonna dredge it up," the Republican establishment says. "It ain't gonna happen. We can't win by going back and being critical of the Clintons. We can't bring all that stuff up from the past. We're not gonna do it. We're gonna stay away from it."
Sure, they can attack Palin. They can attack Palin's whole family. They can make movies and talk about how the Republicans were so scared of her lack of intelligence, they wouldn't even vote for her. They can do all that, but we can't attack the Clintons. We couldn't attack Obama, and can't now attack the Clintons. Pat Caddell was on Fox saying the GOP establishment wants the IRS to go after the Tea Party.
Pat Caddell said yesterday on Fox News that the reason Republican leadership has not pushed for a higher-level investigation of the IRS for targeting the Tea Party is because they want the IRS to go after the Tea Party. When you have 71% who want an investigation, 64% who believe it is a sign of corruption, including nearly a majority of Democrats, the reason is the establishment Republicans want the IRS to go after the Tea Party.
Got it?
They want them to go after the Tea Party because the Tea Parties are an outside threat to their power hold. I'm telling you, the lobbying-consultant class of the Republican Party and Republican leadership, who have been attacking the Tea Party and alienating them, they want the IRS to do this. That's why there hasn't been any establishment Republican pushback on the IRS. It's almost safe to say the Republican establishment might be willing to lose a couple of elections if it meant getting rid of the Tea Party; because it's clear, folks, they don't want to win any elections the Tea Party can claim any credit for.
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RUSH: You gotta hear Pat Caddell. I mentioned this, but I want you to hear Pat Caddell say it. It was last night on the Fox report on the Fox News Channel, talking about the IRS targeting Tea Party groups.
CADDELL: The reason is, the establishment Republicans want the IRS to go after the Tea Parties. Got it? They want to go after the Tea Parties because the Tea Parties are an outside threat to their power hold, and I'm telling you, the lobbying, consulting class of the Republican Party and Republican leadership who have been attacking the Tea Parties and alienating them, they want the IRS to do this.
RUSH: That is a serious charge. That is a very, very serious charge, that the Republican establishment is aligned with Obama and is okay with Obama using the IRS to investigate the Tea Party. But it's believable, because we know the Republican establishment, the political class in Washington, is spreading the word that they are not gonna criticize Hillary, it isn't gonna happen, and we shouldn't, either. It shouldn't happen. It won't help anybody to criticize the Clintons, at least not from the nineties. Maybe go after her on Benghazi, but if anybody does that they'll say, "No, no, no, leave Benghazi alone." And pretty soon they're gonna say no criticism of the Clintons. That's not gonna help us. You watch.
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Of course they want the IRS to stop the Tea Party. Neither the Democrats of the GOPe want their feet held to the fire by main streeters...... they are too indebted to keeping their buddies a stones throw from the steps of the capital happy.
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Of course they want the IRS to stop the Tea Party. Neither the Democrats of the GOPe want their feet held to the fire by main streeters...... they are too indebted to keeping their buddies a stones throw from the steps of the capital happy.
Exactly....and this is one of the reasons I have left the GOP...
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Exactly....and this is one of the reasons I have left the GOP...
Me, too. And the one paragraph I picked out of the article you posted in Opinions speaks volumes about what is wrong with the GOPe.....
And what did Washington’s top two Republicans get for giving Obama 13 months to shop till America drops? Nothing! No repeal of Obamacare’s $47 billion bailout of health insurers. No approval of the Keystone XL Pipeline. No termination of the cure-killing medical-device tax. No votes on these matters, which would have forced Democrats to choose. This could have helped Republican candidates in November.
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Pat Caddell was on Fox saying the GOP establishment wants the IRS to go after the Tea Party.
Pat Caddell said yesterday on Fox News that the reason Republican leadership has not pushed for a higher-level investigation of the IRS for targeting the Tea Party is because they want the IRS to go after the Tea Party. When you have 71% who want an investigation, 64% who believe it is a sign of corruption, including nearly a majority of Democrats, the reason is the establishment Republicans want the IRS to go after the Tea Party.
Got it?
I have heard dems say this before. I am not a cheerleader for the GOP but this is ludicrous.
Pitting the tea party and conservatives against them all.
Having no voice or representatives while getting nastygrams from the IRS. This will make people not want to vote at all.
If this is believed and real why bother with this political forum?
I guess this is all lies as well?
House Republicans fighting Treasury Dept. effort to limit political activities of tax-exempt groups | Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/12/house-republicans-fighting-treasury-dept-effort-to-limit-political-groups/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/12/house-republicans-fighting-treasury-dept-effort-to-limit-political-groups/)
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... as I was saying.
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Gazoo, 75% of the GOP representatives in the House have sent two letters to Boehner asking for a select committee to investigate Benghazi. Think about that. 75 % of the GOP Caucus and still Boehner refuses. Why? Is it because Issa wants to be king of the investigations and a select committee is smaller and more detailed and more efficient and he would not get the glory?? or is it something even more nefarious?
Why did Boehner initially come out and do what Boehner always does - say "someone is going to go to jail about this" (IRS) and that is all we've heard from Boehner about this...
and NSA - why is Boehner not naming a select committee on NSA. I can answer that one - the head of the committee Mike Rogers thinks spying on us is good and so does Peter King (who wants to run for President).
I am not joking when I say the GOPe is the problem - they are. Not all Republicans, we have some with good intentions - my congressman Gosar is good, but he is only one of 65 out of hundreds who don't give a darn what you or I think about anything... who only cares about their own power and we aren't that power - K-Street is that power.
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and for the record I think if South Carolina congressman Trey Gowdy had been chairman instead of Issa Lois Lerner would never have escaped without testifying after claiming the fifth and then making a speech - he was incensed at Issa over that and look - she has yet to return.
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Gazoo, 75% of the GOP representatives in the House have sent two letters to Boehner asking for a select committee to investigate Benghazi. Think about that. 75 % of the GOP Caucus and still Boehner refuses. Why? Is it because Issa wants to be king of the investigations and a select committee is smaller and more detailed and more efficient and he would not get the glory?? or is it something even more nefarious?
Why did Boehner initially come out and do what Boehner always does - say "someone is going to go to jail about this" (IRS) and that is all we've heard from Boehner about this...
and NSA - why is Boehner not naming a select committee on NSA. I can answer that one - the head of the committee Mike Rogers thinks spying on us is good and so does Peter King (who wants to run for President).
I am not joking when I say the GOPe is the problem - they are. Not all Republicans, we have some with good intentions - my congressman Gosar is good, but he is only one of 65 out of hundreds who don't give a darn what you or I think about anything... who only cares about their own power and we aren't that power - K-Street is that power.
We're always reading stories about "splits" and "rifts" in the GOP, but never the same stories about the Democrats.
That's because most of the GOP is made up of Democrats with an elephant on their shirts.
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We're always reading stories about "splits" and "rifts" in the GOP, but never the same stories about the Democrats.
That's because most of the GOP is made up of Democrats with an elephant on their shirts.
Exactly.
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So Democrat Pat Caddell now blames the GOP for Obama's IRS abuse, and people here take it at face value. :silly:
This place is a few anti-Mormon posters short of being just like TOS.
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So Democrat Pat Caddell now blames the GOP for Obama's IRS abuse, and people here take it at face value. :silly:
This place is a few anti-Mormon posters short of being just like TOS.
Yeah...
We shouldn't give weight to anything that Rush reports.
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So Democrat Pat Caddell now blames the GOP for Obama's IRS abuse, and people here take it at face value. :silly:
This place is a few anti-Mormon posters short of being just like TOS.
Maybe you should sit and give this whole thing some thought.
Who is the TEA party a bigger threat to?
A. Democrats
b. Establishment Republicans
I'll wait...
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Yeah...
We shouldn't give weight to anything that Rush reports.
I don't believe anything automatically unless Sarah Palin or Ted Cruz say it.
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So Democrat Pat Caddell now blames the GOP for Obama's IRS abuse, and people here take it at face value. :silly:
This place is a few anti-Mormon posters short of being just like TOS.
This "place" is made up of a wide variety of posters with differing views on a number of issues, who (almost) always post respectfully and thoughtfully.
Your second statement is nothing short of ludicrous.
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This "place" is made up of a wide variety of posters with differing views on a number of issues, who (almost) always post respectfully and thoughtfully.
Your second statement is nothing short of ludicrous.
That's one view. The other is that there is a very vocal group here that interjects the "GOPe" into almost every thread in the forums I tend to read, which are Politics and this one.
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So Democrat Pat Caddell now blames the GOP for Obama's IRS abuse, and people here take it at face value. :silly:
This place is a few anti-Mormon posters short of being just like TOS.
Pat Caddell is not a Democrat. No Democrat uses him as a consultant or campaign manager.
He WAS a Democrat consultant years ago; now, he knows he'll get a stage on FOXNEWS when he stirs the pot like this, so that's what he does.
And every word that falls from his mouth is treated as gospel by some on the right.
When is the last time he ever said anything positive about a Democrat? I can't believe how gullible some people are, including Rush Limbaugh.
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That's one view. The other is that there is a very vocal group here that interjects the "GOPe" into almost every thread in the forums I tend to read, which are Politics and this one.
"GOPe" is more hated than Democrats on this forum. Hated.
I'm going to laugh like hell when John Cornyn wins the March 4 primary here in Texas without a runoff. Texas primary voters are not going to replace a respected Senator like Cornyn with a no-name or a certified nutburger like Steve Stockman.
Ted Cruz beat David Dewhurst because Dewhurst had a clear record, some of it not conservative. He was punished for it.
Cornyn's as conservative as they come in the Senate. His conservatism doesn't please some TPers; they want all other GOP Senators to kiss up to Ted Cruz, no matter how much damage he does to the party.
The Tea Party doesn't have near the clout it did in 2010 nor the consensus of Republicans behind it. Remember, in 2010, they were opposing Democrats. Now, they've turned their guns on fellow Republicans, and lots and lots of them are not happy about it.
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I'm going to laugh like hell when John Cornyn wins the March 4 primary here in Texas without a runoff.
I see another really bad case of Sinkspur depression appearing in the early morning hours of March 5th, 2014!
Cornyn isn't even close to 50% (he's at 43) right now and early voting starts tomorrow!
http://www.humanevents.com/2014/02/17/texas-gop-poll-cornyn-43-leads-stockman-28-failure-to-garner-50-triggers-may-run-off/
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That's one view. The other is that there is a very vocal group here that interjects the "GOPe" into almost every thread in the forums I tend to read, which are Politics and this one.
Maybe you need to read more threads and explore more forums. That expression is rarely used at this site, but I suppose if you're looking for a reason to complain about it, you'll find it easily enough.
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I see another really bad case of Sinkspur depression appearing in the early morning hours of March 5th, 2014!
Cornyn isn't even close to 50% (he's at 43) right now and early voting starts tomorrow!
He's at 43% in a Gravis poll, one of the most disreputable and error-prone polling companies in America.
But in that same poll, conducted for Steve Stockman by Human Events, Stockman finishes BEHIND "UNSURE"!!!
Who votes in Republican primaries? If it's all TPers, Cornyn's toast. But we both know lots and lots of seniors vote in primaries who will stay with the recognizable name with the positive TV ads.
Wanna bet $1000 bucks on the outcome? I'll be glad to put my grand in escrow with Myst.
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Maybe you need to read more threads and explore more forums. That expression is rarely used at this site, but I suppose if you're looking for a reason to complain about it, you'll find it easily enough.
It is used ALL THE TIME, by certain posters.
ALL......THE......TIME!!!
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That's one view. The other is that there is a very vocal group here that interjects the "GOPe" into almost every thread in the forums I tend to read, which are Politics and this one.
So??
State your opinion and counter it, if you disagree with this 'vocal group.'
I haven't found that to be even a majority opinion, though some hold the view very strongly.
The way to counter things you disagree with, is to state opinions that counter those opinions with rational arguments.
Saying that the forum is a few anti-Mormons short of being TOS just makes you look stupid. (And I don't think you are).
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It is used ALL THE TIME, by certain posters.
ALL......THE......TIME!!!
To which I respond..............SO???
If you don't like those with that view, ignore them.
It's not representative of the majority opinion.
But I concur with mountaineer. If you're looking for something to gripe about, it doesn't matter how widespread the problem is.
I have found that I agree with almost all the posters on this forum about SOME things, and disagree with almost all the posters on this forum about OTHER things.
That's what independent thinking is all about......................isn't it??
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That's one view. The other is that there is a very vocal group here that interjects the "GOPe" into almost every thread in the forums I tend to read, which are Politics and this one.
Could be...and I don't care...you are free to voice your opinion here without me busting your chops..unlike TOS..
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Yeah, that's the thing about this place - we're not TOS, not by a long shot. The comparisons are lame, to say the least.
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Pat Caddell is not a Democrat. No Democrat uses him as a consultant or campaign manager.
He WAS a Democrat consultant years ago; now, he knows he'll get a stage on FOXNEWS when he stirs the pot like this, so that's what he does.
And every word that falls from his mouth is treated as gospel by some on the right.
When is the last time he ever said anything positive about a Democrat? I can't believe how gullible some people are, including Rush Limbaugh.
When I see what I see coming from the GOP establishment, and the strained relationships between them and the TEA Party factions, I think that assigning all blame for that strain to one group over the other is pretty damned naive.
I have been unimpressed by the GOP establishment for quite some time, and the disenchantment is growing daily.
I don't like ineffectiveness.
For the most part they are ineffective.
At least in achieving the things that I believe they should achieve.
Look where we are as a nation.
They been right here all along, so they're either inept, or complicit in the current status.
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And every word that falls from his mouth is treated as gospel by some on the right.
That's not the case with me sink.
I've been a staunch Republican for many years, I earned my wings in the streets of SoFla during the Bush/Gore recount demonstrations.
I've campaigned, worked phones, and held up signs in both the heat and the rain for the GOP.
I've given them my hard-earned money year in and year out.
So when something like this actually gets traction in my head, it is nothing but troubling, and I thought about this long before Caddell said anything about it.
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For the most part they are ineffective. At least in achieving the things that I believe they should achieve.
Look where we are as a nation. They been right here all along, so they're either inept, or complicit in the current status.
Good point.
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Maybe you should sit and give this whole thing some thought.
Who is the TEA party a bigger threat to?
A. Democrats
b. Establishment Republicans
I'll wait...
And who benefits most from the rift? Could it be fires stoked very much and regularly by left leaning media, in order to benefit democrats?
And by the entire entertainment industry, needing fresh conflicts, every day? Including the conservative leaning media, btw.
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And who benefits most from the rift? Could it be fires stoked very much and regularly by left leaning media, in order to benefit democrats?
And by the entire entertainment industry, needing fresh conflicts, every day? Including the conservative leaning media, btw.
First, answer my question.
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When I see what I see coming from the GOP establishment, and the strained relationships between them and the TEA Party factions, I think that assigning all blame for that strain to one group over the other is pretty damned naive.
I have been unimpressed by the GOP establishment for quite some time, and the disenchantment is growing daily.
I don't like ineffectiveness.
For the most part they are ineffective.
At least in achieving the things that I believe they should achieve.
Look where we are as a nation.
They been right here all along, so they're either inept, or complicit in the current status.
1. Reagan love prevents a new party.
2. This country being 2 balls short of set of testicles prevents a new party.
3. Everything else prevents a new party.
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The best thing we can do now is spend all our time trashing republicans. After all, there is nothing to complain about when it comes to the democrats.
When the democrats win certain talkers get richer and richer.
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You said this
I don't believe anything automatically unless Sarah Palin or Ted Cruz say it
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That's one view. The other is that there is a very vocal group here that interjects the "GOPe" into almost every thread in the forums I tend to read, which are Politics and this one.
Theses posts contradict each other or are you trolling?
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First, answer my question.
At what skill level do you have the game set to?
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The "enemy of my enemy..."
Who's "the enemy" here?
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At what skill level do you have the game set to?
Honesty.
You?
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olde north church wrote above:
[[ 1. Reagan love prevents a new party.
2. This country being 2 balls short of set of testicles prevents a new party.
3. Everything else prevents a new party. ]]
I disagree, slightly.
There -IS- one scenario that wrecks the "everything else" statement above.
That is -- what if the Republican party self-destructs?
What if the Republican party influence shrinks to the point where it can no longer win the presidency or influcence national policy in any meaningful way?
What if the establishment Republicans "marginalize themselves" right out of existence?
At that point, a "new party" will arise. It will not be the "third" party.
It will be the SECOND one.
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Maybe you should sit and give this whole thing some thought.
Who is the TEA party a bigger threat to?
A. Democrats
b. Establishment Republicans
I'll wait...
In 2010 the Tea Party was a threat to the democrats, and contributed to winning a lot of seats. I'll answer A. Good to threaten democrats.
At present the Tea Party seems focused on defeating incumbent Republicans, so I guess you describe that as a "threat." That is answer B. In trying to unseat incumbent Republicans, the Tea Party has contributed instead, to turning over seats to democrats and that was bad.
As to the future, I would hope the Tea Party learns from the mistakes of poorly vetted candidate, and focuses MORE on beating democrats.
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A lot of varied opinions in this thread. Caddell and Rush are disappointing, the republicans are corrupt and most need to retire but this is ludicrous. Also in the news : An Independent Counsel for the IRS is looking more and more like it will happen.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/13/gop-congressman-calls-for-independent-counsel-to-investigate-irs-scandal/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/13/gop-congressman-calls-for-independent-counsel-to-investigate-irs-scandal/)
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2014/February/Lawmakers-Join-Calls-for-IRS-Independent-Counsel/ (http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2014/February/Lawmakers-Join-Calls-for-IRS-Independent-Counsel/)
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-pat-caddell-establishment-republicans-want-the-irs-to-go-after-the-tea-party/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-pat-caddell-establishment-republicans-want-the-irs-to-go-after-the-tea-party/)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/17/why-rush-limbaugh-agrees-that-the-gop-establishment-wants-the-irs-to-go-after-the-tea-party/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/17/why-rush-limbaugh-agrees-that-the-gop-establishment-wants-the-irs-to-go-after-the-tea-party/)
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... as I was saying.
Did you misread the article? They could certainly do more I agree. But Holder stonewalls.
There was a hearing last week that will result in special counsel. If Boehner does not have the nads, his replacement will. This and other Obama scandals won't go away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqJb9__r65U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqJb9__r65U)
The article link I posted said Republican lawmakers are fighting back against Obama allowing the IRS to continue scrutinizing and auditing conservatives.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/12/house-republicans-fighting-treasury-dept-effort-to-limit-political-groups/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/12/house-republicans-fighting-treasury-dept-effort-to-limit-political-groups/)
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At what skill level do you have the game set to?
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In 2010 the Tea Party was a threat to the democrats, and contributed to winning a lot of seats. I'll answer A. Good to threaten democrats.
At present the Tea Party seems focused on defeating incumbent Republicans, so I guess you describe that as a "threat." That is answer B. In trying to unseat incumbent Republicans, the Tea Party has contributed instead, to turning over seats to democrats and that was bad.
As to the future, I would hope the Tea Party learns from the mistakes of poorly vetted candidate, and focuses MORE on beating democrats.
Then in 2012, 8 GOP establishment-picked and financed candidates won primaries against TEA Party candidates, and lost every single one of those elections to Democrats. Two out of the three TEA Party candidates that ran won their races.
The TEA Party is a bigger threat to the GOP than they are to Democrats. They suck donations and support away from establishment GOP candidates, and run against incumbents.
The TEA Party is trying to pull off a hostile takeover of the GOP, and because of it, they are a greater danger to the GOP establishment structure, than they are to the Democrats.
So it doesn't seem very far-fetched to believe that the GOP establishment would use any and all available muscle to muzzle the TEA Party.
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"Some" people remain obsessed with the two candidates who lost and called themselves Tea Party yet are oh so anxious to ignore all the Karl Rove candidates who did miserably.
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Then in 2012, 8 GOP establishment-picked and financed candidates won primaries against TEA Party candidates, and lost every single one of those elections to Democrats. Two out of the three TEA Party candidates that ran won their races.
The TEA Party is a bigger threat to the GOP than they are to Democrats. They suck donations and support away from establishment GOP candidates, and run against incumbents.
The TEA Party is trying to pull off a hostile takeover of the GOP, and because of it, they are a greater danger to the GOP establishment structure, than they are to the Democrats.
So it doesn't seem very far-fetched to believe that the GOP establishment would use any and all available muscle to muzzle the TEA Party.
BINGO!!!
Right on the money!
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Then in 2012, 8 GOP establishment-picked and financed candidates won primaries against TEA Party candidates, and lost every single one of those elections to Democrats. Two out of the three TEA Party candidates that ran won their races.
The TEA Party is a bigger threat to the GOP than they are to Democrats. They suck donations and support away from establishment GOP candidates, and run against incumbents.
The TEA Party is trying to pull off a hostile takeover of the GOP, and because of it, they are a greater danger to the GOP establishment structure, than they are to the Democrats.
So it doesn't seem very far-fetched to believe that the GOP establishment would use any and all available muscle to muzzle the TEA Party.
What about danger to our country and the rule of law? To me it is not a game, political or other wise. It is about the future of our country that is so divisive due to Obama. The GOP approval rating in Congress is because of their past TARP vote and demise in real leadership. The Tea Party is all there is. If they are dismissed and silenced we are done.
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What about danger to our country and the rule of law? To me it is not a game, political or other wise. It is about the future of our country that is so divisive due to Obama. The GOP approval rating in Congress is because of their past TARP vote and demise in real leadership. The Tea Party is all there is. If they are dismissed and silenced we are done.
Seriously?
The rule of law is all but gone already.
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Seriously?
The rule of law is all but gone already.
That does not mean I lose all hope.
I think the economy will crash before anyone can correct the course of the ship but I don't discredit the tea parties efforts.
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That does not mean I lose all hope.
I think the economy will crash before anyone can correct the course of the ship but I don't discredit the tea parties efforts either.
Where do you get that I discredit the TEA Party's efforts?
They are unorthodox and maybe even unrefined but at least they're trying.
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What I can't fathom is why so many stubbornly cling to returning the same old people to the senate who have brought us to this point. Why are people so afraid of change that they would keep voting for a McConnell, McCain, etc., rather than elect someone new who is not yet in the deep pockets of Wall and K. Not that they won't get there, most unfortunately do. The founders put in direct election of the senators by state representative for a reason, the 17th amendment was the first step in our destruction.
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Where do you get that I discredit the TEA Party's efforts?
They are unorthodox and maybe even unrefined but at least they're trying.
They are discredited in general and made to be worthless when Pat Caddell claims the GOP themselves want them further scrutinized by the scariest government alphabet there is, the IRS.. I can't go there and hope primary infighting does not render this true in any way. The old saying divide and conquer. During primaries all parties have infighting but this is too much and too early.
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They are discredited in general and made to be worthless when Pat Caddell claims the GOP themselves want them further scrutinized by the scariest government alphabet there is, the IRS.. I can't go there and hope primary infighting does not render this true in any way. The old saying divide and conquer. During primaries all parties have infighting but this is too much and too early.
In Caddell's world, the GOP was so nervous about the Tea Party that they started allowing the IRS to target Tea Party groups in 2010. This absolves Obama of blame, of course, and keeps boards like this frothing at the mouth toward each other.
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The old saying divide and conquer. During primaries all parties have infighting but this is too much and too early.
On this point, I agree with you fully.
It is repeated, over and over, that the GOP "leadership" is weak and ineffective.
And the Tea Party movement is leaderless, by design they say. The leaders, if any, are not officeholders. DeMint, Mat Kibbe, Mary Beth, etc.
Somebody ought to lead, dial it back, lest the undecideds, the independents, the swing voters, see the whole lot of them as a spectacle.
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"Some" people remain obsessed with the two candidates who lost and called themselves Tea Party yet are oh so anxious to ignore all the Karl Rove candidates who did miserably.
In 2013, Tea party superpacs outperformed GOP superpacs in fund raising by a wide margin.
So one has to believe that the GOP is ineffective – per Luis' line of reasoning. It seems flyover folks are noticing they're not getting the representation they were promised and are putting their money where their principles are.
Now, turning to Democrats. It is not your grandfather's Democrat Party anymore, not by a longshot. It's been taken over by rabid uncompromising ideologues who are dragging the country kicking and screaming down a socialist path.
As for the GOPe (hope that doesn't upset some folks) they're kind of squishy and easy to roll. They've been complicit in growing government.
So, it seems only natural that against a radical, hell-bent socialist party that a strong, hell-bent, right wing party would necessarily coalesce to counter it. Thus, the rise of the tea party.
And so, to answer Luis' question. The tea party is a bigger threat to the weak-kneed, linguine-spined, roll-over-play-dead, entrenched and corrupted Republican Party.
High five, Tea Party.
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One more thing. Someone up thread posed a question about Pat Caddell and Democrats.
Every time Pat Caddell is on with Mark Simone, the best radio interviewer in radio history, he criticizes Democrats and the Democrat Party as well as Republicans. Caddell's not a troll with some hidden nefarious objective. I believe he loves his country. That's what it sounds like to me.
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Then in 2012, 8 GOP establishment-picked and financed candidates won primaries against TEA Party candidates, and lost every single one of those elections to Democrats. Two out of the three TEA Party candidates that ran won their races.
The TEA Party is a bigger threat to the GOP than they are to Democrats. They suck donations and support away from establishment GOP candidates, and run against incumbents.
The TEA Party is trying to pull off a hostile takeover of the GOP, and because of it, they are a greater danger to the GOP establishment structure, than they are to the Democrats.
So it doesn't seem very far-fetched to believe that the GOP establishment would use any and all available muscle to muzzle the TEA Party.
What's that old saying about if you want to kill the king you better do it in the daylight and better damn well succeed? Perhaps it's time to put the "Establishment" on notice once and for all, we are coming and bringing Hell with us, to steal a phrase.
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One more thing. Someone up thread posed a question about Pat Caddell and Democrats.
Every time Pat Caddell is on with Mark Simone, the best radio interviewer in radio history, he criticizes Democrats and the Democrat Party as well as Republicans. Caddell's not a troll with some hidden nefarious objective. I believe he loves his country. That's what it sounds like to me.
I like him, Aligncare. When did it become forboden to criticize your government unless they represent the "other" party? This is why both parties are taking their voters for granted and giving them the middle finger all but every two/six years... otherwise they are in bed with Wall and K.
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I like him, Aligncare. When did it become forboden to criticize your government unless they represent the "other" party? This is why both parties are taking their voters for granted and giving them the middle finger all but every two/six years... otherwise they are in bed with Wall and K.
Being bipartisan does not equate his statement of the GOP wanting the IRS to target conservatives as being true. It is his opinion, he has a right to express but it was not presented as anything factual.
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I like him, Aligncare. When did it become forboden to criticize your government unless they represent the "other" party? This is why both parties are taking their voters for granted and giving them the middle finger all but every two/six years... otherwise they are in bed with Wall and K.
Excellent point. A good way of looking at it.
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This "place" is made up of a wide variety of posters with differing views on a number of issues, who (almost) always post respectfully and thoughtfully.
Your second statement is nothing short of ludicrous.
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One more thing. Someone up thread posed a question about Pat Caddell and Democrats.
Every time Pat Caddell is on with Mark Simone, the best radio interviewer in radio history, he criticizes Democrats and the Democrat Party as well as Republicans. Caddell's not a troll with some hidden nefarious objective. I believe he loves his country. That's what it sounds like to me.
Agree wholeheartedly, he is one of the last few of a dying breed: patriotic Americans that chose to be a part of the Democrat Party long ago, when it was much different (at least in toto) than what we see today.
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Being bipartisan does not equate his statement of the GOP wanting the IRS to target conservatives as being true. It is his opinion, he has a right to express but it was not presented as anything factual.
This is a bit of a fine point, but if you listen to what he said, he didn't imply that the GOPe "wanted" this administration to use the IRS for these purposes, but rather now that it has clearly happened, they (at least the leadership) aren't falling all over themselves rushing to actually bring the level of hearings (and hopefully appropriate punishment, which IMO should include jail time for several) to the point that there will actually be consequences. And I agree with Caddell and Schoen that the GOPe is certainly not at all "upset" that this targeting has hurt Tea Party (and pro-Israel) groups.