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So...can I have my R-12 back?

Amen. I think I'll go vent some refrigerant into the atmosphere as a sign of protest.
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Fact is, automakers are pulling back in the EV market and pouring more into hybrids and low emission ICE engines. While this is dismaying to the Tesla nerds and their not-as-cool other EV brand loyalists, the truth is the average consumer doesn’t want an EV, and that isn't gonna change anytime soon. 
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President Biden bit three Secret Service agents at the White House Sunday after having to return from the beach to deal with World War III breaking out.

Israel was attacked by Iran Saturday sparking anti-Israel protests to shut down the Brooklyn Bridge in New York. The standoff was brief. The police couldn't get the protestors off the bridge but they scattered like ants when they saw an approaching cargo container ship marked the SS Baltimore.

Judge Merchan warned Trump to stop giving unfriendly potential jurors the evil eye Tuesday and threatened him with jail time. The first six jurors all read the New York Times and two are company DEI directors. If this jury pool were any more poisoned, Putin would be bottling it to serve in the gulag.

The New York Times warned Democrats Monday that its new polls show that young voters are swinging over to Donald Trump. In response, Democratic voter registration drives are aggressively underway this week. Just this morning, OJ Simpson announced he's voting for Joe Biden in November.

Hunter Biden's laptop videos show so much male genitalia it looks like he just won a women's swimming meet.

The NSA is the only government office that actually listens to you.

DA Alvin Bragg demanded Trump be fined $3,000 for violating the gag order if he disparages Stormy and Michael Cohen. They spent all weekend on CNN disparaging Trump but he's fined if he replies. Inflation is so bad Trump is having to pay $3,000 for speech that four years ago was free.

The White House announced Tuesday that President Biden is working with Allies this week to hammer out new sanctions against Iran. Iranian immigrants in Michigan are chanting Death to America. Biden vowed he will move heaven and earth to get the 52 American hostages released by Iran.

President Biden said his uncle was eaten by cannibals in New Guinea in World War II. The story will be told in the upcoming movie Serving Private Biden.

Jesse Ventura told CNN he could beat Trump and Biden. We owe him a great debt. Jesse Ventura took American politics and raised it to the level of professional wrestling.

The most shocking thing about the fire near the Trump trial is it wasn't caused by everybody involved's pants bursting into flames.

Anytime I honor those who have passed on, I also make up stories about them being eaten by cannibals. I mean, who doesn't?

Man sets himself on fire outside Trump's trial courthouse. He poured gasoline all over himself, so he obviously came from money.

Six of RFK siblings go on TV and endorse Biden instead of Bobby. That's a twist, a Kennedy getting assassinated by other Kennedys.

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We have enough oil to be self sufficient. We have hundreds of years of coal reserves. WHat we are doing is creating an artificial shortage of electricity by increasing demand from sectors which used little. ICE engines work in all climates. They are more efficient with lower emissions than ever. Why would we have to buy any EVs from anyone?
Why? For the greater good...the greater good of the new world order to better control the movements of us serfs. What no one has talked about is how absolutely useless EV's are in the case of a natural disaster that destroys the transmission of electricity. Even here in EV friendly Californication when the wildfires were raging and power was cut in those areas EV's were pretty useless and if you had to depend on one to escape the flames :shrug: And where do all the apartment dwellers charge their EV's if everyone is forced into EV's? There has been talk about where the massive increase of electricity needed will come from, but how about how will it be distributed on a already over taxed grid? No, I think I'll wait until is available, or there is another solution to extending the range of EV's though all those EV's towing their ICE generators around will have a negative impact on traffic and parking :pondering:
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So...can I have my R-12 back?
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We live in a global economy and US companies will move in a heartbeat to another country with cheaper labor.   China and S. Korea and now Vietnam heavily subsidizes their EV industry. Way more than what we do. If we do not subsidize our home grown EV industry these countries  will become the leaders and we will have to buy the technology and products from them.

Same argument from  the isolationist today. "Our Founding  fathers said to keep out of foreign entanglements"  Well George and crew did not have to deal with intercontinental ballistic missiles, cyber attacks from  3500 miles  away from rogue nations.
We have enough oil to be self sufficient. We have hundreds of years of coal reserves. WHat we are doing is creating an artificial shortage of electricity by increasing demand from sectors which used little. ICE engines work in all climates. They are more efficient with lower emissions than ever. Why would we have to buy any EVs from anyone?
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I never said tanks or at least should have been more specific. I am talking about support vehicles and such and very light armor vehicles such as humvees.

1. EV's give off no or minimal sound, no or very little heat signature like a diesel.
2. In Gulf War 1 each soldier had the equivalant of 45 lbs of electronic gear. Currently each soldier has the equivalent of 2000 lbs of electronic gear.  EV's can supply this electric need w/o having to bring up generators and such 
3. Battery range is going up every year.  Toyota said in a presss release their 2026 ev's will have a 600 mile range.
4. As I mentioned before the military is working on batteries that can be changed out in the field due to damage or recharging with no tools in two minutes in less.
5. Every single military contractors from every country at the Qatar show had military ev;s including China in their lineup.
6. You said every ev military vehicle can be taken out with an emp. How do you know this?  You are speaking out of your arse.

You know jack crap what they are working on, what their capabilities are  but yet you are an armchair general. What I posted above is the minimal info my bil would give me. You are another person who hates ev's because conservatives have been told to hate ev's.

I don't hate EVs. I have laid out what my requirements are for a vehicle, and the EVs on the market and which will be present in the near future do not meet those requirements, requirements which are not merely a matter of convenience, but for me and mine, a matter of life and death.

What I do hate, is the zeal with which proponents of EVs present, almost religiously, a case for those vehicles, which tells me that there is intent behind all this to ban ICE vehicles, not just new ones, but any.
In the meantime, the generation capacity to create 17.8 percent of the electricity created in the US is due to be shut down. In my state, 55% of the electricity is generated by coal. We export 50% of the electricity we generate. That will stop if coal plants are all shuttered. Minnesota, Montana, South Dakota, and Canada will suffer a shortage.
There are no downwinders to speak of to worry about mercury or other metals, the fly ash is used as a byproduct in the oil industry. Urban areas are literally few and far between.

Consider that vehicles here do not rust (we do not use salt on the roads because when it gets cold: -20 to -30 F is common in winter, it will not melt ice), so it is not uncommon for people to be driving 20 or more year old vehicles. I have a small fleet of six, and they are all 25 or more years old. Think for just a second how much money (and carbon footprint) is saved by driving one vehicle for 25 years versus of getting a new vehicle every three years or so (seven additional vehicles produced must leave a mark). Banksters hate that because they aren't sucking interest out of my pay for a loan, and I don't carry comprehensive insurance (liability only) which means the actuaries aren't raking it in either. But the ultimate parasite is government, and people who are scurrying around in the delusion that an EV is somehow going to change the temperature of the planet want to impose their delusional crap on me, and everyone else, for that matter.
As a geologist who doesn't buy the AGW bullshit (never has), and as one who signed the petition to request that the US NOT become a signatory to the Kyoto Accords, this is all a 'solution' for a 'problem' (not crisis) that doesn't exist in any way that humans can do anything about it but panic and scurry into a new Dark Age as a result of their misguided attempts to solve a problem they cannot.
The planet will be just fine, but civilization may well not be.
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