The Briefing Room
General Category => Economy/Business => Topic started by: SZonian on November 10, 2016, 09:34:16 pm
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If you voted for Donald Trump, you may not feel welcomed at Grubhub.
The CEO of Grubhub, an online food delivery service, sent a company wide email Wednesday suggesting employees who agree with President-elect Donald Trump’s behaviors and his campaign rhetoric should resign.
“If you do not agree with this statement then please reply to this email with your resignation because you have no place here,” wrote Matt Maloney, Co-Founder of Grubhub. “We do not tolerate hateful attitudes on our team."
Maloney, a Hillary Clinton supporter, sent the email Wednesday afternoon with the subject line, “So…that happened…what’s next?” He made it clear in the email statement that he is personally stunned and deeply concerned with the results of Tuesday’s election.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/boss-tells-pro-trump-employees-to-resign.html
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Douchefaggot:
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My wife and I own 3 companies..we NEVER discuss politics or religion with clients (we have many liberal and conservative clients) and raely with employees unless we are very close to them.
NO political signs or banners are allowed on our properties.
Why alienate 1/2 of your customer base?
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In fairness, that is not what he said:
(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/us/2016/11/10/boss-tells-pro-trump-employees-to-resign/_jcr_content/article-text/article-par-3/images/image.img.jpg/880/558/1478808278451.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
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I seem to recall business owners saying pretty much the same to 0bama voters in years past...
But on another note, it's interesting to me how this got out from an apparently internal email.
Either an employee who agrees with him thought they were doing him a favor or....
an employee who disagrees leaked it out.
I'm leaning towards the latter since only about 20% of their workforce replied positively.
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There is this girl I know on facebook and she's complaining that she got fired for being a Trump supporter. I know the details and I know people who worked with her and it wasn't that she was a Trump supporter, it was that she was aggressively obnoxious about it, like writing "Vote Trump!" on receipts and such.
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In fairness, that is not what he said:
Based on my reading/understanding of what he wrote, I disagree...
The guy is telling his employees that if they don't reject Trump's "nationalist, anti-immigrant and hateful politics" (as he does), then they're to submit their resignations.
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My wife and I own 3 companies..we NEVER discuss politics or religion with clients (we have many liberal and conservative clients) and raely with employees unless we are very close to them.
NO political signs or banners are allowed on our properties.
Why alienate 1/2 of your customer base?
That's the way it should be.
I am very conservative but my liberal uncle is willing to invest a buttload of money in me to run a business because he knows I resist mixing business and politics. Just this morning he sent me a PM noting my silence about politics on the facebook battlefield.
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Based on my reading/understanding of what he wrote, I disagree...
The guy is telling his employees that if they don't reject Trump's "nationalist, anti-immigrant and hateful politics" (as he does), then they're to submit their resignations.
Yeah... hard to say. I'd have to ask if anyone who voted Trump is included.
Anyway, he's a douchefaggot and I hope his business fails.
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My wife and I own 3 companies..we NEVER discuss politics or religion with clients (we have many liberal and conservative clients) and raely with employees unless we are very close to them.
NO political signs or banners are allowed on our properties.
Why alienate 1/2 of your customer base?
New Balance just learned the hard way. They praised Trump's anti TPP and discovered their love affair with Trump was not good for business.
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Some lucky Trump supporter is going to wind up owning the company once the lawyers are done with them.
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"Republicans buy shoes too." - Michael Jordan
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“We do not tolerate hateful attitudes on our team."
Ummmm............. Hillary is the Queen of hateful attitudes.
That's what was wrong with this election.
Both candidates stank.
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Based on my reading/understanding of what he wrote, I disagree...
The guy is telling his employees that if they don't reject Trump's "nationalist, anti-immigrant and hateful politics" (as he does), then they're to submit their resignations.
To begin with he comes across as a condescending and passive-aggressive ass.... Aside from that, it's only a passive-aggressive warning against talking Trumpist politics on the job.
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Some lucky Trump supporter is going to wind up owning the company once the lawyers are done with them.
Doubtful given the contents of a letter addressed to all employees and not picking anyone out individually especially if you are a nonunion employee "at will."
Whether is is smart business is a different matter..
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To begin with he comes across as a condescending and passive-aggressive ass.... Aside from that, it's only a passive-aggressive warning against talking Trumpist politics on the job.
That's my take because in the final paragraph he actually says to give Trump the benefit of the doubt?
:shrug:
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His company, his rules.
Now we have DT giving control of his organization to his children. Blind trust......ha ha ha ha
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Doubtful given the contents of a letter addressed to all employees and not picking anyone out individually especially if you are a nonunion employee "at will."
Whether is is smart business is a different matter..
Employees should keep their politics to themselves for their own protection. Employers should keep their mouth shut as well but for different reasons.
Years ago I worked for a company where the owner would take lunch breaks with us just so he could turn the breakroom TV channel to the show Rush Limbaugh had at the time. He would then engage us in long political discussions. I didn't mind since I was apparently born conservative.
He never threatened to fire anyone for disagreeing with him but I suspect it had a lot to do with hiring practices. There were around 50 temps with only 5 of us full timers and all of us full timers were conservative.
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Employees should keep their politics to themselves for their own protection. Employers should keep their mouth shut as well but for different reasons.
Years ago I worked for a company where the owner would take lunch breaks with us just so he could turn the breakroom TV channel to the show Rush Limbaugh had at the time. He would then engage us in long political discussions. I didn't mind since I was apparently born conservative.
He never threatened to fire anyone for disagreeing with him but I suspect it had a lot to do with hiring practices. There were around 50 temps with only 5 of us full timers and all of us full timers were conservative.
Sounds like my company in Cambridge, MA. All liberals. I just keep my mouth shut. Don't hang out with them after work or go to functions.
Might go to company Christmas party this year though.
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To begin with he comes across as a condescending and passive-aggressive ass.... Aside from that, it's only a passive-aggressive warning against talking Trumpist politics on the job.
Agreed.
Many companies, if they're smart, will have such policies about talking politics on the job.
If his intent was to just remind his employees of such, he failed spectacularly to get his point across in a clear manner...it does come across as quite threatening at first read.
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My wife and I own 3 companies..we NEVER discuss politics or religion with clients (we have many liberal and conservative clients) and raely with employees unless we are very close to them.
NO political signs or banners are allowed on our properties.
Why alienate 1/2 of your customer base?
No signs, no banners. But In the oil patch, Liberals didn't last too long, just on principle.
If you think about it, those who embrace conservative values (not saying this year the winner is a barometer of that, necessarily), will generally not screw their employers over, crap on a customer, or otherwise perform undesirably. They will generally be where they are supposed to be, do what they are supposed to do, and do it right, when they are supposed to do it.
Folks who embrace situation ethics can rationalize most anything, and that can bring an employer a load of grief.
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In fairness, that is not what he said:
(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/us/2016/11/10/boss-tells-pro-trump-employees-to-resign/_jcr_content/article-text/article-par-3/images/image.img.jpg/880/558/1478808278451.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
Frankly, reading that and considering the nature of his business, it seems perfectly reasonable to me. It is a statement of company policy, and an admonition to get aboard or leave as the reader chooses. I can't fault that. It is his company, after all.
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Frankly, reading that and considering the nature of his business, it seems perfectly reasonable to me. It is a statement of company policy, and an admonition to get aboard or leave as the reader chooses. I can't fault that. It is his company, after all.
There is a certain segment of the population who have bought into the "Trump isn't PC" line when in reality, its Trump simply being a vulgarian ass and they want to emulate him. That's the last thing any business needs working the cash register.
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There is a certain segment of the population who have bought into the "Trump isn't PC" line when in reality, its Trump simply being a vulgarian ass and they want to emulate him. That's the last thing any business needs working the cash register.
Yep. Trump went well beyond not being PC, and it was unnecessarily crude. Many took that as an excuse to do likewise, as if it validated bad manners and vulgarity.
No business dealing with the general public needs that.
If we want businesses to have the unmitigated right to serve who they will, they also should have the right to establish codes of conduct for the employees on their time, too.
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Definitely a weird email, strangely written. I get the impression that the first draft of this email read much differently, as there seems to me to be several revisions and more than one hand in concocting this mess.
It swings back and forth between being threatening to be conciliatory back to being threatening, etc. This makes it confusing to the reader and obscures the point. What is the bullet point meaning of this memo? I don't know?
It is likely he had a fit and wrote a scathing letter to express his feelings about Trump and his supporters which was later revised by HR and a lawyer.
I would be very surprised to receive a memo like this expressing disdain for the soon to be President. But the most egregious part is a memo which has the term 'email your resignation' in any context. This is unprofessional in the extreme and obviously a reactionary statement.
Again, weird and strange. I can't really tell what he is getting at. I guess he thinks Trump supporters don't buy food, or that he doesn't need their business. This will not work out well for the company, not matter what it was intended to be. That is the one, and the only thing that is clear about this.
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Definitely a weird email, strangely written. I get the impression that the first draft of this email read much differently, as there seems to me to be several revisions and more than one hand in concocting this mess.
It swings back and forth between being threatening to be conciliatory back to being threatening, etc. This makes it confusing to the reader and obscures the point. What is the bullet point meaning of this memo? I don't know?
It is likely he had a fit and wrote a scathing letter to express his feelings about Trump and his supporters which was later revised by HR and a lawyer.
I would be very surprised to receive a memo like this expressing disdain for the soon to be President. But the most egregious part is a memo which has the term 'email your resignation' in any context. This is unprofessional in the extreme and obviously a reactionary statement.
Again, weird and strange. I can't really tell what he is getting at. I guess he thinks Trump supporters don't buy food, or that he doesn't need their business. This will not work out well for the company, not matter what it was intended to be. That is the one, and the only thing that is clear about this.
I think you've got it just about right.
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One word: Lawsuit.
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One word: Lawsuit.
I'm sure there is a hungry lawyer who would take the case with a very large retainer up front, but there is no basis in law or fact to bring suit..
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To begin with he comes across as a condescending and passive-aggressive ass.... Aside from that, it's only a passive-aggressive warning against talking Trumpist politics on the job.
An employment lawyer would have a field day with this, if it's true.
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I'm sure there is a hungry lawyer who would take the case with a very large retainer up front, but there is no basis in law or fact to bring suit..
Until somebody gets fired. Then this guy ends up settling out of court rather than paying for the lawsuit.
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Until somebody gets fired. Then this guy ends up settling out of court rather than paying for the lawsuit.
Agree 100%. He has achieved the opposite of what the intent was. He has put himself in the position where he can't fire anyone now, for anything. Because they would simply claim he did it because of Trump.
Why put an anti-Trump stamp on your company? In what way possible could that ever have a positive outcome?
Just another Liberal freak-out. Only this time it is documented in a company wide letter. BTW, this is exactly why company wide letters are tightly controlled. They are prone to misuse and abuse. He should not have sent this. But, if he is determined to broadcast how he feels about Trump in this way he should send it to Department Heads and manager only and have them disseminate the mandate.
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Why put an anti-Trump stamp on your company? In what way possible could that ever have a positive outcome?
Just another Liberal freak-out. Only this time it is documented in a company wide letter. BTW, this is exactly why company wide letters are tightly controlled.
Yup.
I have a few friends who are doing the same thing. One of them is studying to be a priest.... one of these days I'm going to tell him that priests are ill-advised to speak in public as he is doing... The letter of James was written precisely for people like him.
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One word: Lawsuit.
Depends if it's an at will state.
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A lot of workplaces don't allow political buttons to be worn, etc. I'm fine with that.
I've never discussed politics or religion where I've worked.
I had a friend who went to Clinton's inaugural and came back with a paw-tographed picture of Socks for me.
They allowed me to keep it on my desk for the day because it was of a cat, and it was so darn cute.
I love that picture- I don't know how they got the cat to get his paws in the ink.
Ping @Hopalong Ginsberg
I hope we get a first cat again. It's been 8 years since we've had a first feline.
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That's my take because in the final paragraph he actually says to give Trump the benefit of the doubt?
:shrug:
so did Hillary in her speech. You believe her, too?
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A lot of workplaces don't allow political buttons to be worn, etc. I'm fine with that.
I've never discussed politics or religion where I've worked.
I had a friend who went to Clinton's inaugural and came back with a paw-tographed picture of Socks for me.
They allowed me to keep it on my desk for the day because it was of a cat, and it was so darn cute.
I love that picture- I don't know how they got the cat to get his paws in the ink.
Ping @Hopalong Ginsberg
I hope we get a first cat again. It's been 8 years since we've had a first feline.
We definitely need a first cat. Maybe you should start a petition at http://petitions.whitehouse.gov/ 8888sitting kitty
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Well, on one hand if people can be forced to bake cakes and take photos of lifestyles and behaviors that are offensive to their religion and principles, then I assert that Leftist snowflakes should be forced to employ hard Conservatives and their beliefs and agendas.
But that is not how goose and gander work in a tyranny folks.
Instead what Mr. Light-In-The-Loafers Snowflake CEO at Grubhub has demonstrated for everyone, is exactly how the mark of his beast is going to operate.
If you don't think and act the way they demand - you don't make a living.
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Liberals, of course, are fools. Whether it is Hollywood idiots wrecking their careers with radical Leftism or corporations like Target wrecking their company with radical Liberal policies. They just never learn.
Now this Grubhub thing is tanking their stock because the idiot founder just pissed off 50% of the whole country. So, he essentially cut his potential client base in half. They just can't fathom that their lunacy has real monetary consequences. It is truly amazing.
Keep your stupid opinion to yourself and stop preaching to the rest of us. If you don't, you will pay a heavy price for it. Here is the stock price over the last few days. It is taking a dive. We all should have shorted the stock the minute we read that stupid email.
| High | 39.06 | on Thu, Nov 10 9:30 AM |
| Low | 35.02 | on Fri, Nov 11 12:45 PM |
| Avg | 37.44 | for past 1 week |
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Well, on one hand if people can be forced to bake cakes and take photos of lifestyles and behaviors that are offensive to their religion and principles, then I assert that Leftist snowflakes should be forced to employ hard Conservatives and their beliefs and agendas.
But that is not how goose and gander work in a tyranny folks.
Instead what Mr. Light-In-The-Loafers Snowflake CEO at Grubhub has demonstrated for everyone, is exactly how the mark of his beast is going to operate.
If you don't think and act the way they demand - you don't make a living.
I have a slightly different take on this. I don't think any business should be forced to provide services to anyone, for any reason or none at all. Nor do I think any business should be forced to keep any employee (although he called for voluntary resignation, not firing) they find does not comply with their standards of conduct.
He has laid out that he expects courtesy from all his employees, toward customers and each other. That's a fair enough standard, imho, especially in a business that deals with a widely varied public. He also said that no employee was going to be given the boot or should worry about their jobs based on any criteria except that certain standards of courtesy were expected, and that if someone wasn't okay with that, they should seek other employment.
While I don't agree with the court rulings levied at bakers or venue hosts who preferred to not provide services for gay 'weddings', if we are going to push for those businesses to be able to assert control over who they serve, we have to likewise permit businesses to control who does the serving whether we are in alignment with their philosophies or not.
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I have a slightly different take on this. I don't think any business should be forced to provide services to anyone, for any reason or none at all. Nor do I think any business should be forced to keep any employee (although he called for voluntary resignation, not firing) they find does not comply with their standards of conduct.
He has laid out that he expects courtesy from all his employees, toward customers and each other. That's a fair enough standard, imho, especially in a business that deals with a widely varied public. He also said that no employee was going to be given the boot or should worry about their jobs based on any criteria except that certain standards of courtesy were expected, and that if someone wasn't okay with that, they should seek other employment.
While I don't agree with the court rulings levied at bakers or venue hosts who preferred to not provide services for gay 'weddings', if we are going to push for those businesses to be able to assert control over who they serve, we have to likewise permit businesses to control who does the serving whether we are in alignment with their philosophies or not.
Agree 100%.
Honestly I'm about done with the nastiness from BOTH sides. I'm tired of the gloating, I'm tired of the threats, I'm tired of the whining about threats real or perceived. Nobody is fixing a damn thing because they're too busy sticking it to the other side.
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Agree 100%.
Honestly I'm about done with the nastiness from BOTH sides. I'm tired of the gloating, I'm tired of the threats, I'm tired of the whining about threats real or perceived. Nobody is fixing a damn thing because they're too busy sticking it to the other side.
It didn't used to be on both sides.
ONE side used to be decent. ONE side didn't issue threats. ONE side acted like gentlemen and ladies.
No more as of this election.
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It didn't used to be on both sides.
ONE side used to be decent. ONE side didn't issue threats. ONE side acted like gentlemen and ladies.
No more as of this election.
Yup. When you behave badly because the opposition behaves badly, you've already lost.