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Texas governor issues mandatory face mask policy
By Marty Johnson - 07/02/20 04:43 PM EDT
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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) has issued an order making it mandatory for all Texans to wear a face covering of some kind while out in public as the state faces a surge in coronavirus cases.
The governor's office said the order applied to all counties in Texas with 20 or more confirmed cases of COVID-19, saying the move was necessary with other efforts to curb the spread of the disease.
"Due to recent substantial increases in COVID-19 positive cases, and increases in the COVID-19 positivity rate and hospitalizations resulting from COVID-19, further measures are needed to achieve the least restrictive means for reducing the growing spread of COVID-19, and to avoid a need for more extreme measures," Abbott said in his executive order issued Thursday afternoon.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/505703-texas-governor-issues-mandatory-face-mask-policy
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Sad.
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Enforcement ought to be interesting.
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Enforcement ought to be interesting.
YES. TEXAS! I think open carry? Human beings cannot control a virus! Those who are afraid, need to stay home. Many already had COIVD and didn't even know. We are being punished, for something that can't be controlled.
This reminds me of one Thanksgiving dinner. We all arrived on TIME. Hungry. One couple was late and didn't't show for a long time. The HOSTESS decided to punish those who arrived on time and hungry, stopping the serving of dinner, till this one couple would show up. No one knew when..if ever. By the time, this couple showed up, I wanted to do something really evil to them and hostess! Most of us were upset. MAKES ZERO SENSE.
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I will not comply.
Period.
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I see the flucker talking. Without a mask.
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We are 2nd in the USA in total population.
If, All things being equal, we should be 2nd across the board in COVID statistics, but we are not:
We are 3rd in over-all cases.
We are 29th in cases per-capita.
We are 15th in total deaths caused by the virus.
We are 41st in deaths per-capita.
We are 3rd in total test.
we are 41st in test per-capita.
I can't find good reason to reverse course the way Governor Abbott did.
Yes, the positivity return on test has gone over 10%, which was one metric Governor Abbot used.
7 day average of 13.8%.
I am not sure this is the best metric.
The state has averaged 8.04% since testing began.
However, most do not get the test unless they have symptoms, or were known to be exposed.
This could account for an increase in positivity rates as well.
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I will not comply.
Period.
And I will happily join you in refusing to do so.
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I see the flucker talking. Without a mask.
He says..'slow the spread'. Yes, it will prolong the virus. No person can stop a virus. Wear a hazmat suit? YES. Who is going to do that forever, everywhere? Just keep up your immune system. All kind of products for that: moringa, elderberry, green tea, zinc, garlic, onions, silver, etc.
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And I will happily join you in refusing to do so.
@Bigun and @IsailedawayfromFR ...I'm just curious. Do ya'll wear seat belts? And shirts and shoes in restaurants?
I'm not trying to be contrary...I'm just curious as to why this is such a big deal.
Truth be known...I went down swinging over the seatbelt laws. But that was a little different.
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YES. TEXAS! I think open carry?
Yup, open carry. Just as a firearm is a tool useful for the defense of self and others against criminals, though it doesn't always provide sufficient protection, so a face-mask is a tool useful for the defense of self and others against viruses, though it doesn't always provide sufficient protection. In both cases knowing how to use it properly and in what circumstances makes the tool more useful.
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@Bigun and @IsailedawayfromFR ...I'm just curious. Do ya'll wear seat belts? And shirts and shoes in restaurants?
I'm not trying to be contrary...I'm just curious as to why this is such a big deal.
Truth be known...I went down swinging over the seatbelt laws. But that was a little different.
@berdie
For me, the issue is NOT the mask. The issue is the government thinking it has the right to tell me I have to wear one. It does not!
This is a test to see just how much unconstitutional crap you will put up with before you rebel. I'm not putting up with any of it.
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@Bigun and @IsailedawayfromFR ...I'm just curious. Do ya'll wear seat belts? And shirts and shoes in restaurants?
I'm not trying to be contrary...I'm just curious as to why this is such a big deal.
Truth be known...I went down swinging over the seatbelt laws. But that was a little different.
More than one shower per month has that risk of removing that protective layer of filth.
I wear a seat belt in newer cars to keep the bell from ringing.
I agree that mandatory masks are government under reach. Like they are shoving it...down our throats...ahem.
I've said this before. When out and about breathe in all that clean air loaded with molds, fungi, germs, diseases, pollen, etc., to give your body the chance to keep your immune system working.
My wife has always been a clean freak. Because her mother is the opposite.
So am I. Since I met her. 34 years ago. I now take a shower at least once a month.
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Weird move that Texas would do this.
Up to now, the mask mandate has been almost exclusively a Blue State issue.
I wonder who talked or forced Abbott into this?
Wonder why he agreed?
A mask without accompanying eye protection and gloves is completely useless.
It is all just a waste of money, time, and effort.
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I don't really have a problem with this as COVID 19 is hitting our community hard now.
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I don't really have a problem with this as COVID 19 is hitting our community hard now.
Sleep is just death playing tricks.
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@Bigun and @IsailedawayfromFR ...I'm just curious. Do ya'll wear seat belts?
Nope. Especially up in the sticks... you want to get loose of it before it goes down the mountain.
And shirts and shoes in restaurants?
Yes, but not pants. They didn't say nothin about pants. Actually, I don't prefer restaurants where I have to go inside... Other than diners anyway.
I'm not trying to be contrary...I'm just curious as to why this is such a big deal.
What I do is none of Uncle Nanny's business, until I am breaking the law. And writing a dumbass law to make it their business is promptly ignored. As it oughta be.
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@Bigun and @IsailedawayfromFR ...I'm just curious. Do ya'll wear seat belts? And shirts and shoes in restaurants?
I'm not trying to be contrary...I'm just curious as to why this is such a big deal.
Truth be known...I went down swinging over the seatbelt laws. But that was a little different.
So if government demands that you wear a red shirt and if you don't they'll ticket you, would you do it?
The simple fact is a cloth or paper mask does nothing to block a virus. Nothing.
If the virus is floating around in the air only an N95 mask has any shot at blocking it.
And if the virus is floating around in the air, your eyes are an entry point into your body.
The mask requirement has nothing to do with science because science doesn't support it.
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Is this one of those people walking out of Walmart, getting in their cars, and start picking their nose things?
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Is this one of those people walking out of Walmart, getting in their cars, and start picking their nose things?
I pick my nose right IN Walmart. I make a point of it.
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I pick my nose right IN Walmart. I make a point of it.
Right. To the point. Get snotty with me and see how far that gets you. teehee.
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@Bigun and @IsailedawayfromFR ...I'm just curious. Do ya'll wear seat belts? And shirts and shoes in restaurants?
I'm not trying to be contrary...I'm just curious as to why this is such a big deal.
Truth be known...I went down swinging over the seatbelt laws. But that was a little different.
This country is built on freedom, more than any other country.
For years our freedoms have been eroded. Why succumb meekly to another erosion?
We fought a war over a such little things as a tax on tea. Not a 'big deal'. And we made a stand. And won our freedom.
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Not pleased with the decison, but Abbott otherwise has had impeecable timing, and great decison making on his behalf. I will go as far as say he has been a great governor.
Better course of action, would have been to make the executive order a proclamation instead, saying that the state recommends mask use, but will still leave it to the individual County Judges to impose what actions are needed at their discretion.
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So if government demands that you wear a red shirt and if you don't they'll ticket you, would you do it?
The simple fact is a cloth or paper mask does nothing to block a virus. Nothing.
If the virus is floating around in the air only an N95 mask has any shot at blocking it.
And if the virus is floating around in the air, your eyes are an entry point into your body.
The mask requirement has nothing to do with science because science doesn't support it.
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Many thanks for the answers to my question. It's what I thought the answers would be...I just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something.
@roamer_1 Some of your answers conjured up mental images that cracked me up, lol. Thanks
Everyone have a good 4th!!
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Many thanks for the answers to my question. It's what I thought the answers would be...I just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something.
@roamer_1 Some of your answers conjured up mental images that cracked me up, lol. Thanks
Everyone have a good 4th!!
Happy 4th. :patriot:
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Abbott has successfully engineering himself to a position where both conservatives and liberals are denouncing him.
Beto calls on Gov. Abbott to resign for his handling of COVID-19
https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-politics...athetic-resign/ (https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-politics...athetic-resign/)
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I see the flucker talking. Without a mask.
I saw governor Cuomo for twenty minutes berating Trump for not wearing a mask, while he was not wearing a mask.
Not a trace of self awareness from this chooch.
Chooch: a term for an idiot, moron, or any word that can be used to describe a stubborn and common sense-lacking person. The Italian ciuccio, which “chooch†is derived from, is literally a pacifier for children. But in the southern parts of Italy, it can mean a donkey or an ass, lending us the definition of a jackass.
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@Bigun and @IsailedawayfromFR ...I'm just curious. Do ya'll wear seat belts? And shirts and shoes in restaurants?
I'm not trying to be contrary...I'm just curious as to why this is such a big deal.
Truth be known...I went down swinging over the seatbelt laws. But that was a little different.
Let’s say you ignore the mask and indeed you catch the dreaded covid.
If you’re in 98.8 percentile of those infected what’s the worst that can happen to you? You have flu-like symptoms for a few or for several days. But, let’s all panic and shut life down.
State and national leaders have become psychotic post the Obama era of fundamental change, with no hope for recovery.
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I don't really have a problem with this as COVID 19 is hitting our community hard now.
Same here. Like to see the locals here manage a state where the Leader is doing his best to balance economic impact while protecting citizens. Abbott has been a fine governor. Hope they don't catch it, and have difficulty finding an ICU bed.
Unless they think the local Dr.'s are liars too. *****rollingeyes*****
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Let’s say you ignore the mask and indeed you catch the dreaded covid.
What’s the worst that can happen to you if you’re in 98.8 percentile of those infected? You have flu-like symptoms for a few or for several days? But, let’s all panic and shut down life.
State and national leaders have become psychotic post the Obama era of fundamental change, with no hope for recovery.
So all those ICU beds near capacity in the Houston Medical Center are faked? Wow, didn't know that. /s
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Let’s say you ignore the mask and indeed you catch the dreaded covid.
What’s the worst that can happen to you if you’re in 98.8 percentile of those infected? You have flu-like symptoms for a few or for several days? But, let’s all panic and shut down life.
State and national leaders have become psychotic post the Obama era of fundamental change, with no hope for recovery.
The fatalities (deaths) in my county is 0.01 of those infected, and that is with government number which are very suspect to begin with. So, you have a 1% chance of dying from this, IF you ever even get infected.
Cannot imagine why Abbott did this. But whatever caused him to make the call it was NOT 'science' and it was NOT the numbers. The press is presenting every 'positive case' or 'new case' as if it is a foregone fatality. However, only a very few of the people infected have any problem at all. And the ones who do usually have some preexisting condition which has nothing to do with COVID.
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So all those ICU beds near capacity in the Houston Medical Center are faked? Wow, didn't know that. /s
I see your problem. Your area needs more ICU beds. But, that has nothing to do with mask wearing or the deliberate cutting back of normal economic activity and life in general.
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The fatalities (deaths) in my county is 0.01 of those infected, and that is with government number which are very suspect to begin with. So, you have a 1% chance of dying from this, IF you ever even get infected.
Cannot imagine why Abbott did this. But whatever caused him to make the call it was NOT 'science' and it was NOT the numbers. The press is presenting every 'positive case' or 'new case' as if it is a foregone fatality. However, only a very few of the people infected have any problem at all. And the ones who do usually have some preexisting condition which has nothing to do with COVID.
We are pretty lucky in TX, as our Mortality Rate is just a tad over 1%, and in a "common sense" world, these masks are an affront to personal freedoms. However, we all know that that virus' mutate, and we really don't know at any given moment what the level of impact and severity. But people in general are stupid. People in general do not have common sense. If it keeps those idiots from spewing some droplets and infecting me? I am all for it.
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I see your problem. Your area needs more ICU beds. But, that has nothing to do with mask wearing or the deliberate cutting back of normal economic activity and life in general.
Outside of bars, sporting events, and a few other exceptions..... how is wearing a mask to protect a neighbor cutting back our economic activity? None of the restaurants in my area closed. Did you even read Abbott's proclamation?
And btw, I do think Abbott would have been better served letting the mask decison to discretion of the Local County Judges. So, he isn't perfect.
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Outside of bars, sporting events, and a few other exceptions..... how is wearing a mask to protect a neighbor cutting back our economic activity? None of the restaurants in my area closed. Did you even read Abbott's proclamation?
Sorry, I don’t care anymore. I’m out of the fear of covid game. If store keepers weren’t refusing me service without one, I’d never wear a mask.
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Sorry, I don’t care anymore. I’m out of the fear of covid game. If store keepers weren’t refusing me service without one, I’d never wear a mask.
And I respect that choice. I think you have the common sense not to spread it or put others at risk. Others, not so much.
I don't fear COVID, but OTOH, I, >60, and with a few "pre-existings", don't want to tempt fate.
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We are pretty lucky in TX, as our Mortality Rate is just a tad over 1%, and in a "common sense" world, these masks are an affront to personal freedoms. However, we all know that that virus' mutate, and we really don't know at any given moment what the level of impact and severity. But people in general are stupid. People in general do not have common sense. If it keeps those idiots from spewing some droplets and infecting me? I am all for it.
Sure. But it is not like that. Unless you are wearing eye protection and gloves, a bandanna or paper mask does very, very, little in terms of preventing spread. I've seen people wearing the mask on their chin or under their nose. People in general are stupid. They think 'wearing a mask' is like a magic talisman which prevents the evil spirit COVID from touching them.
They wear a mask without even understanding the underlying principle or the point of it. These guys think if they 'wear a mask' around their neck like a necklace or on their wrist, then they are magically protected. Unless there are 'mask police' everywhere to not only check if you have a mask but also how you use it, then it is all a waste of time. Just recently I was in a store and the clerk had a mask. But, every time he spoke he pulled his mask down first, said what he had to say, and then diligently put it back on. Kind of defeats the whole point. But he didn't know that.
I feel like I am living in a Looney Tunes world these days. And I'm amazed at how many politicians actually think they are accomplishing anything with all this nonsense.
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Sure. But it is not like that. Unless you are wearing eye protection and gloves, a banana or paper mask does very, very, little in terms of preventing spread. I've seen people wearing the mask on their chin or under their nose. People in general are stupid. They think 'wearing a mask' is like a magic talisman which prevents the evil spirit COVID from touching them.
They wear a mask without even understanding the underlying principle or the point of it. These guys think if they 'wear a mask' around their neck like a necklace or on their wrist, then they are magically protected. Unless there are 'mask police' everywhere to not only check if you have a mask but also how you use it, then it is all a waste of time. Just recently I was in a store and the clerk had a mask. But, every time he spoke he pulled his mask down first, said what he had to say, and then diligently put it back on. Kind of defeats the whole point. But he didn't know that.
I feel like I am living in a Looney Tunes world these days. And I'm amazed at how many politicians actually think they are accomplishing anything with all this nonsense.
The mask is intended to keep the individual from spreading droplets..... not for their own personal protection And again, one bad actor, like you eloquently mentioned kind of f's up the whole process. If everyone had commons sense.... it would work
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Sure. But it is not like that. Unless you are wearing eye protection and gloves, a banana or paper mask does very, very, little in terms of preventing spread. I've seen people wearing the mask on their chin or under their nose. People in general are stupid. They think 'wearing a mask' is like a magic talisman which prevents the evil spirit COVID from touching them.
They wear a mask without even understanding the underlying principle or the point of it. These guys think if they 'wear a mask' around their neck like a necklace or on their wrist, then they are magically protected. Unless there are 'mask police' everywhere to not only check if you have a mask but also how you use it, then it is all a waste of time. Just recently I was in a store and the clerk had a mask. But, every time he spoke he pulled his mask down first, said what he had to say, and then diligently put it back on. Kind of defeats the whole point. But he didn't know that.
I feel like I am living in a Looney Tunes world these days. And I'm amazed at how many politicians actually think they are accomplishing anything with all this nonsense.
That pretty much captures my mood. In normal times I’m tired of the nanny state, but now it seems like nanny’s been taking steroids and telling me where to stand and which sports I cannot play until after a certain date.
I’ve had it up to here and I want them to stop micromanaging my life and business.
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And now they just officially cancelled The State Fair of Texas.
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The mask is intended to keep the individual from spreading droplets..... not for their own personal protection And again, one bad actor, like you eloquently mentioned kind of f's up the whole process. If everyone had commons sense.... it would work
Rush just now spoke about the ‘ICU beds near capacity in the Houston Medical Center,’ and shined a light of truth behind those numbers.
Only 15 percent of the at-90-percent capacity numbers are covid related. Eighty five percent represented elective procedures and other disease management cases that were delayed by covid fears and self isolation as doctors and hospitals restricted or closed access to operating rooms for an extended period.
In other words—my words—covid fear is just a convenient tool being used by politicians and media—not doctors—to control and influence the political currents and negatively impact the perception of the administration’s handling of the “threat.†It may not be overt complicity regarding your governor. But, fear definitely plays a role in which the media is complicit in spreading to near panic levels.
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Rush just now spoke about the ‘ICU beds near capacity in the Houston Medical Center,’ and shined a light of truth behind those numbers.
Only 15 percent of the at-90-percent capacity numbers are covid related. Eighty five percent represented elective procedures and other disease management cases that were delayed by covid fears and self isolation as doctors and hospitals restricted or closed access to operating rooms for an extended period.
In other words—my words—covid fear is just a convenient tool being used by politicians and media—not doctors—to control and influence the political currents and negatively impact the perception of the administration’s handling of the “threat.†It may not be overt complicity regarding your governor. But, fear definitely plays a role in which the media is complicit in spreading to near panic levels.
I listened in for a bit and found the statistics interesting and eye opening. Hospitals in my county have also reported that ICU beds are at or near capacity. However, no reports of how many of those beds are occupied by COVID patients. I am still concerned because normally this time of year there's usually room and in the almost 30 years I've been down here, this has never been reported as a problem.
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Rush just now spoke about the ‘ICU beds near capacity in the Houston Medical Center,’ and shined a light of truth behind those numbers.
Only 15 percent of the at-90-percent capacity numbers are covid related. Eighty five percent represented elective procedures and other disease management cases that were delayed by covid fears and self isolation as doctors and hospitals restricted or closed access to operating rooms for an extended period.
In other words—my words—covid fear is just a convenient tool being used by politicians and media—not doctors—to control and influence the political currents and negatively impact the perception of the administration’s handling of the “threat.†It may not be overt complicity regarding your governor. But, fear definitely plays a role in which the media is complicit in spreading to near panic levels.
Interesting update. Thanks. Does make sense many of us, including myself have postponed routine Dr. visits. Still even 15% is a pretty significant uptick for a serious commuicable disease. OTOH, if I weren't >60, with pre-exisitings, I'd probably be more inclined not to worry. I will still take precautions, and hopefully some asymptomaic carrier doesn't infrect me.
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I listened in for a bit and found the statistics interesting and eye opening. Hospitals in my county have also reported that ICU beds are at or near capacity. However, no reports of how many of those beds are occupied by COVID patients. I am still concerned because normally this time of year there's usually room and in the almost 30 years I've been down here, this has never been reported as a problem.
Part of the problem is that these COVID-19 ICU stays are probably much much longer than other medical conditons. That may be skewing the stats in that respect.
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Part of the problem is that these COVID-19 ICU stays are probably much much longer than other medical conditons. That may be skewing the stats in that respect.
They also have declared that at the current rate they will not run out of ICU beds until the end of the month - ICU beds are not a fixed resource. I ain't all that, but given THREE WEEKS??? I am pretty sure I could get two hundred more ICU beds ready in a few weeks time, without even trying that hard. To include staffing and financing.
AGAIN, you are not going to 'flatten the curve'... as predicted, all you are doing is prolonging the inevitable. The way you beat this thing is to beat the curve.
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Part of the problem is that these COVID-19 ICU stays are probably much much longer than other medical conditons. That may be skewing the stats in that respect.
That is the biggest part of the problem...length of stay for this disease.
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They also have declared that at the current rate they will not run out of ICU beds until the end of the month - ICU beds are not a fixed resource. I ain't all that, but given THREE WEEKS??? I am pretty sure I could get two hundred more ICU beds ready in a few weeks time, without even trying that hard. To include staffing and financing.
AGAIN, you are not going to 'flatten the curve'... as predicted, all you are doing is prolonging the inevitable. The way you beat this thing is to beat the curve.
@roamer_1 ya know I love ya to death...but the biggest problem is personelle available to treat folks. I have friends in the medical profession that were fine when this whole thing started. That is not the case right now. I believe them far more than I do the news.
I know you are a proponent of herd immunity. But I'm not convinced in my mind that will work. I have raised cattle and horses...and chickens. If a devasting
disease hit...they died. One and all. There isn't enough known about this to make a definitive decision about what might happen. Past performance does not guarantee future results. As far as I know, there is no proven vaccine...like there is for many animal epidemics.
I appreciate that you are in a remote area...much like I am. But I really can't say that will work for people in congested areas.
I promised myself not to post on this subject again. I'm really not a nag. But here I am. OMGGGGGGG
Stay safe, amigo
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@roamer_1 ya know I love ya to death...but the biggest problem is personelle available to treat folks. I have friends in the medical profession that were fine when this whole thing started. That is not the case right now. I believe them far more than I do the news.
No offense taken @berdie
Personnel are an easy fix. There are literally tons upon tons of medical personnel that ave been laid off because hospitals locked down and stopped elective anything... Our system up here laid off 600 people.
If it were mine to do, I would pass legislation, or an EO declaring first-responder and medical personnel licensing effectively valid nation-wide during emergencies, and draw those personnel from those outlying and unaffected areas where they are laid off and unable to work. This creates a vast resource pool, perhaps even whole teams, cohesive to each other and used to working together.
As workers fall to the virus, which is somewhat inevitable, bring in more... This allows affected workers time to recover and in the process, become immune... and those brought in will also eventually meet the same fate... Being immunized by the time they go home... This is called hardening your forces.
I know you are a proponent of herd immunity. But I'm not convinced in my mind that will work. I have raised cattle and horses...and chickens. If a devasting disease hit...they died. One and all. There isn't enough known about this to make a definitive decision about what might happen. Past performance does not guarantee future results. As far as I know, there is no proven vaccine...like there is for many animal epidemics.
Off the cuff, yes, herds do die off. But this is nowhere near a 'black plague', or any other real pandemic. We DO know that this disease is effectively fatal in around 1% of cases, and that number is going way down from there.
And generically, we do know about this disease. Corona has been known for a long long time... In fact, if you work with cattle or dogs you probably have a fair immunity built in already, because both carry corona. I am sure to have battled corona in myriad forms many times in my life.
And inevitably, it isn't that I am a proponent of herd immunity. It is that herd immunity is the natural state. As you said, there are no controls for this virus, and I will predict there never will be any, as with all fast morphing viruses, it will burn out long before a vaccine can be made.
So with all the whining and crying and throwing dirt in the air, reality asserts that herd immunity is all we got. So logic dictates that reaching that immunity as quickly as possible is what will protect the most folks and get this thing over with.
In fact, attempts to soften the impact by quarantining the nation does nothing. Nothing other than prolonging its presence, as even a fool can see. The longer folks are stuck in their homes, the more vectors they are exposed to, because the only quarantine that works is a perfect one... And no one is getting their foods and packaging irradiated... No one is wearing sufficient gear to protect them.
The obvious way forward, and the logical one, is to quarantine the sick as you find them, quarantine the susceptible that may court death (elderly, folks with disorders), and let it rip. Two weeks to a month later, it has gone, and folks can emerge, because the ACTIVE spreaders are all immune, and the more inactive folks will have very little chance of infection... Which is nothing more than the time honored way of dealing with these things, and the way that works most often. So DO what works. What's known to work FIRST, and worry about every other wild-ass idea later, especially since most of em will wind up not working anyway.
I appreciate that you are in a remote area...much like I am. But I really can't say that will work for people in congested areas.
There is nothing for it, as conditions already prove. Every place it has lit in congested areas it has lit up and gone through em like sh*t through a goose, and nothing they have done has contained it. It reaches herd immunity with or without their efforts, and largely their efforts have worsened things, not made them better.
I promised myself not to post on this subject again. I'm really not a nag. But here I am. OMGGGGGGG
Stay safe, amigo
S"Alight darlin. you couldn't piss me off if you tried. You're one of my favorite people. You stay safe too. :beer: :seeya:
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@roamer_1
The military is sending medical personnel to Texas - saw/read that on TV today.
My dear friend, how can you speak like you do about this virus? Read below, 10,000 more Texans sick in one day, today, 10,000. Do not tell me it doesn't matter. Don't tell me it is a fake, do not tell me Democrats made it happen, do not tell me Trump made it happen.
It is the dead people you should think about, as most dead had a family. Those families care about their family members they will never see again. How many more dead are we going to have? The below is the current situation in Texas.
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas surpassed 10,000 new coronavirus cases in a single day Tuesday for the first time, crossing a sobering milestone rarely seen since the pandemic first hit the U.S. in March.
The record high of 10,028 new cases in Texas served as another alarming new measure of the swift resurgence of COVID-19 nationwide and the failures of the country’s response. Republican Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas aggressively began one of America’s fastest reopenings in May, but reversed course last week, ordering bars closed and mandating face coverings in much of the state.
@catfish1957 New number for you.
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@roamer_1
The military is sending medical personnel to Texas - saw/read that on TV today.
My dear friend, how can you speak like you do about this virus? Read below, 10,000 more Texans sick in one day, today, 10,000. Do not tell me it doesn't matter. Don't tell me it is a fake, do not tell me Democrats made it happen, do not tell me Trump made it happen.
@Victoria33
Statistically speaking 10,000 do not matter. Especially if it is only active cases and not actual hospitalizations or deaths. That is a number that they are already jiggering - now measuring as active not only actual bonafide cases but also all the people they had contact with, whether they are presenting or not... And the death toll is not going up. It is going down.
It is the dead people you should think about, as most dead had a family. Those families care about their family members they will never see again. How many more dead are we going to have? The below is the current situation in Texas.
No, that is exactly wrong. Nothing can be done for the dead, but only for the living. And mandating masks does nothing for the living, as already proven over and over again.
I am sorry to say it like that, but I refuse to let emotion rule the day. This is a time for sense, not emotion, no matter how hard that is to do.
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Face mask facts:
50% of the pores in a typical consumer grade double-layer cloth mask range from 80-400 microns and many exceed 1000 microns. More than half of the volume of droplets in a sneeze are below 400nm. More importantly, the heavier droplets precipitate out of the air under gravity, while these smaller particles are carried on air currents and can range down to <10 microns. These droplets can easily be inhaled by passersby or indeed anyone within a given enclosed space.
The coronavirus measures approximately 0.1 micron.
Now for some comparisons:
If the virus is the size of a ping pong ball (40mm), then the largest pores would be over 400m (about 1320 feet - almost a quarter mile) in diameter. The center 50% would range from 32m (106 feet) to 160m (528 feet). Do you think a ping pong ball could sail through a hole between 100' and nearly a quarter mile?
Now let's look at sneeze droplets. The large droplets which are in the millimeter range, are not an issue, because they quickly fall to the ground under gravity (hence the "social distancing" rule). However, about half of the droplets are aerosolized such that they do not fall, but are carried on air currents throughout a given space. These range from about 10 microns to about 400 microns. Relative to the smallest of these aerosols as a ping pong ball, the pores would range from about 1 foot in diameter to 5 feet in diameter.
Think about that next time someone tells you a cloth mask serves any purpose stopping transmission of SARS-CoV2. And one last thing, NONE of these masks cover the eyes which are just as much an entry point as the nose and mouth.
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Just as a point of reference, we here in NYC never went to mandatory face masks and we had some of the highest deaths from covid. And remember too that our Gov. Cuomo killed 6200 nursing home patients in a boneheaded state order that nursing homes must accept covid patients.
Point is these politicians don’t know what they’re doing.
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Face mask facts:
50% of the pores in a typical consumer grade double-layer cloth mask range from 80-400 microns and many exceed 1000 microns. More than half of the volume of droplets in a sneeze are below 400nm. More importantly, the heavier droplets precipitate out of the air under gravity, while these smaller particles are carried on air currents and can range down to <10 microns. These droplets can easily be inhaled by passersby or indeed anyone within a given enclosed space.
The coronavirus measures approximately 0.1 micron.
Now for some comparisons:
If the virus is the size of a ping pong ball (40mm), then the largest pores would be over 400m (about 1320 feet - almost a quarter mile) in diameter. The center 50% would range from 32m (106 feet) to 160m (528 feet). Do you think a ping pong ball could sail through a hole between 100' and nearly a quarter mile?
Now let's look at sneeze droplets. The large droplets which are in the millimeter range, are not an issue, because they quickly fall to the ground under gravity (hence the "social distancing" rule). However, about half of the droplets are aerosolized such that they do not fall, but are carried on air currents throughout a given space. These range from about 10 microns to about 400 microns. Relative to the smallest of these aerosols as a ping pong ball, the pores would range from about 1 foot in diameter to 5 feet in diameter.
Think about that next time someone tells you a cloth mask serves any purpose stopping transmission of SARS-CoV2. And one last thing, NONE of these masks cover the eyes which are just as much an entry point as the nose and mouth.
Just another note to add. Sneezing/coughing through a cloth mask very likely atomizes the fluids being expelled increasing the number of fine droplets that will linger in the air longer. The whole cloth/paper mask thing is a farce.
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Just as a point of reference, we here in NYC never went to mandatory face masks and we had some of the highest deaths from covid. And remember too that our Gov. Cuomo killed 6200 nursing home patients in a boneheaded state order that nursing homes must accept covid patients.
Point is these politicians don’t know what they’re doing.
That is probably because NYC managed to infect the older population early on and that has a much higher death rate.
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Just as a point of reference, we here in NYC never went to mandatory face masks and we had some of the highest deaths from covid. And remember too that our Gov. Cuomo killed 6200 nursing home patients in a boneheaded state order that nursing homes must accept covid patients.
Point is these politicians don’t know what they’re doing.
Nope they're all flying by the seat of their pants as none of them have ever been faced with a pandemic. Fauci has his own agenda so it's not like the can depend on him to help guide them and the CDC is worthless.
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Just another note to add. Sneezing/coughing through a cloth mask very likely atomizes the fluids being expelled increasing the number of fine droplets that will linger in the air longer. The whole cloth/paper mask thing is a farce.
:yowsa: Absolutely true.
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They know what they are doing.
The problem is they think we don't.
See through the BS.
I was considering this a while back. Relating what the polly's are saying. What the media reports. What the medical people report.
Apply that to this video. It becomes clear.
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Point is these politicians don’t know what they’re doing.
That's right.
The governor of NY allowed people to go to the beach, but not swim.
The governor of CA allowed people to swim, but not hang out on the beach.
Both said it was because that is what science dictated......
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@roamer_1
I am not emotional - I am looking at facts.
You said, "Statistically speaking 10,000 do not matter. Especially if it is only active cases and not actual hospitalizations or deaths. That is a number that they are already jiggering - now measuring as active not only actual bonafide cases but also all the people they had contact with, whether they are presenting or not... And the death toll is not going up. It is going down."
You are wrong. We have so many in hospitals, the military is sending doctors to our state to have enough to treat people. There are few ICU beds available. We are going to run out of them in less than a week. The dead are stacking up, not going down. 10,000 VIRUS SICK PEOPLE DO MATTER, MANY ARE GOING TO DIE.
I said, It is the dead people you should think about, as most dead had a family.
Those families care about their family members they will never see again. How many more dead are we going to have?
You said, "No, that is exactly wrong. Nothing can be done for the dead, but only for the living. And mandating masks does nothing for the living, as already proven over and over again."
You are so wrong. A dead husband means there is no one to make money to keep the family alive. A dead mother means no one to help with the kids because the husband must go to work. This is not a normal time - the kids cannot be put in day school or nurseries. We are back to needing mothers in the home and husbands working.
Decent masks do work; not the flimsy cloth ones, but N95s, and medical Face Shields. I have both and so could other people if they quit wearing those cloth ones. Right now, Sams has Face Shields, 4 for $5 - they work. CDC said Face Shields are better than masks. A simple medical mask (N95s not needed) and a Face Shield doubly protects you.
@DB
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@roamer_1
I am not emotional - I am looking at facts.
You said, "Statistically speaking 10,000 do not matter. Especially if it is only active cases and not actual hospitalizations or deaths. That is a number that they are already jiggering - now measuring as active not only actual bonafide cases but also all the people they had contact with, whether they are presenting or not... And the death toll is not going up. It is going down."
You are wrong. We have so many in hospitals, the military is sending doctors to our state to have enough to treat people. There are few ICU beds available. We are going to run out of them in less than a week. The dead are stacking up, not going down. 10,000 VIRUS SICK PEOPLE DO MATTER, MANY ARE GOING TO DIE.
I said, It is the dead people you should think about, as most dead had a family.
Those families care about their family members they will never see again. How many more dead are we going to have?
You said, "No, that is exactly wrong. Nothing can be done for the dead, but only for the living. And mandating masks does nothing for the living, as already proven over and over again."
You are so wrong. A dead husband means there is no one to make money to keep the family alive. A dead mother means no one to help with the kids because the husband must go to work. This is not a normal time - the kids cannot be put in day school or nurseries. We are back to needing mothers in the home and husbands working.
Decent masks do work; not the flimsy cloth ones, but N95s, and medical Face Shields. I have both and so could other people if they quit wearing those cloth ones. Right now, Sams has Face Shields, 4 for $5 - they work. CDC said Face Shields are better than masks. A simple medical mask (N95s not needed) and a Face Shield doubly protects you.
@BD
Thanks for your input regarding the face shields @Victoria33 I didn't realize that they were that inexpensive.
Even at that -- IF everyone were to wear a mask, or some type of face covering, it would be beneficial -- but going into an environment where only some people wearing them becomes problematic and quite frankly at this point I see as inconsiderate of your fellow neighbors.
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You are wrong. We have so many in hospitals, the military is sending doctors to our state to have enough to treat people. There are few ICU beds available. We are going to run out of them in less than a week. The dead are stacking up, not going down. 10,000 VIRUS SICK PEOPLE DO MATTER, MANY ARE GOING TO DIE.
@Victoria33
No, I am not wrong. It is a simple matter to boost ICU units. The article itself said they won't be running out till the end of the month. That is, there are 17 beds left, and they will not be used up until the end of the month.. By that metric, something like 8 people a week are entering ICU. Even if they all DIED, that's 24 deaths a month. In a city of how many? And how many die per month regularly?
You are so wrong. A dead husband means there is no one to make money to keep the family alive. A dead mother means no one to help with the kids because the husband must go to work. This is not a normal time - the kids cannot be put in day school or nurseries. We are back to needing mothers in the home and husbands working.
Again with emotion. And that emotion supposes something can be done about it. In the end that is false, as has been proven over and over. Everyplace quarantine, and tough strictures have been enforced, those strictures have done NOTHING to prevent infection. Nothing. EVERYWHERE the virus has lit up in cities, it has run rampant, regardless of quarantine. Regardless of masks. Regardless of 'social distancing' - Another goofy ass idea that holds no water. NONE of it has worked.
Decent masks do work;
No, they do not. Or virologists would use them.
Look, knock yourself out. Be safe. Do what you have to. But by ANY metric, making basically ALL Texans wear masks is as ridiculous an over reach as any other... And one which will have no measurable effect. Just as stupid as wearing a mask alone in your car or in the middle of a pasture. It is PLAINLY an absurdity, and one which has never been shown to be effective. Equally as absurd as quarantining healthy people and shutting down whole economies - Ridiculous overreach that has never been done in all time. How quickly we bend a knee and bow to those who will take away all we have.
Well, not 'we'. I damn well won't
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@berdie
For me, the issue is NOT the mask. The issue is the government thinking it has the right to tell me I have to wear one. It does not!
This is a test to see just how much unconstitutional crap you will put up with before you rebel. I'm not putting up with any of it.
:thumbsup: :yowsa:
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Sure. But it is not like that. Unless you are wearing eye protection and gloves, a bandanna or paper mask does very, very, little in terms of preventing spread. I've seen people wearing the mask on their chin or under their nose. People in general are stupid. They think 'wearing a mask' is like a magic talisman which prevents the evil spirit COVID from touching them.
They wear a mask without even understanding the underlying principle or the point of it. These guys think if they 'wear a mask' around their neck like a necklace or on their wrist, then they are magically protected. Unless there are 'mask police' everywhere to not only check if you have a mask but also how you use it, then it is all a waste of time. Just recently I was in a store and the clerk had a mask. But, every time he spoke he pulled his mask down first, said what he had to say, and then diligently put it back on. Kind of defeats the whole point. But he didn't know that.
I feel like I am living in a Looney Tunes world these days. And I'm amazed at how many politicians actually think they are accomplishing anything with all this nonsense.
Correct. The health food store lady berated me for NOT wearing a mask. She took down her mask to tell me this. I pointed it out. As in, she lost her 'protection'. She said just, to talk to me. SHE IS A DEMOCRAT. Unless one is in a hazmat suit, all the time...WE WILL ALL, GET EXPOSED TO COVID. Idiots only cover their mouth, not nose. Or like you said, wear it under their chin, keep removing it to talk. They think it is some amulet, to keep virus away. lol. All the CONTROL FREAKS...love to tell me, how I need my mask. I say, I NEED OXEGEN...I have a medical condition.
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It's simple folks, wear the masks and reopen the economy. Get people back to work, able to pay their bills again. Get kids back in school. Maybe even re-elect the President.
Don't wear masks, and governors will take more drastic steps and re-close the economy, just in time for the misery to bite on Election Day.
Don't wear masks, bye-bye Trump.
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I wonder if folks have stopped to think of basic aerodynamics... A face shield moving forward through a space id PUSHING air in front of it What happens behind it? Think wing. Necessarily the air will roil behind the shield, pulling a current in from the sides.
Will it protect you from someone spitting on you? Of course. Will it protect you from aerosols carried in the air? No.
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It's simple folks, wear the masks and reopen the economy. Get people back to work, able to pay their bills again. Get kids back in school. Maybe even re-elect the President.
Don't wear masks, and governors will take more drastic steps and re-close the economy, just in time for the misery to bite on Election Day.
Don't wear masks, bye-bye Trump.
No.
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@roamer_1
I am not emotional - I am looking at facts.
You said, "Statistically speaking 10,000 do not matter. Especially if it is only active cases and not actual hospitalizations or deaths. That is a number that they are already jiggering - now measuring as active not only actual bonafide cases but also all the people they had contact with, whether they are presenting or not... And the death toll is not going up. It is going down."
You are wrong. We have so many in hospitals, the military is sending doctors to our state to have enough to treat people. There are few ICU beds available. We are going to run out of them in less than a week. The dead are stacking up, not going down. 10,000 VIRUS SICK PEOPLE DO MATTER, MANY ARE GOING TO DIE.
I said, It is the dead people you should think about, as most dead had a family.
Those families care about their family members they will never see again. How many more dead are we going to have?
You said, "No, that is exactly wrong. Nothing can be done for the dead, but only for the living. And mandating masks does nothing for the living, as already proven over and over again."
You are so wrong. A dead husband means there is no one to make money to keep the family alive. A dead mother means no one to help with the kids because the husband must go to work. This is not a normal time - the kids cannot be put in day school or nurseries. We are back to needing mothers in the home and husbands working.
Decent masks do work; not the flimsy cloth ones, but N95s, and medical Face Shields. I have both and so could other people if they quit wearing those cloth ones. Right now, Sams has Face Shields, 4 for $5 - they work. CDC said Face Shields are better than masks. A simple medical mask (N95s not needed) and a Face Shield doubly protects you.
@DB
If the face shield seals around the face that would mostly keep it out of the eyes assuming you aren't breathing in the same area. But if it is open on the sides and/or bottom it won't do much for something floating around in the air. A face shield works for keeping spittle droplets from hitting your face when they are flying towards you at speed when someone coughs. Or someone springs a leak spraying fluids. But if the droplets are so small they are floating in the air - as claimed - then they will float in on the sides when you breath and/or move easily.
Surgical masks are not made to filter virus sized contaminants. There is scant evidence they do much.
https://www.newsweek.com/surgical-cotton-face-masks-ineffective-blocking-sars-cov-2-particles-when-covid-19-patients-1496476 (https://www.newsweek.com/surgical-cotton-face-masks-ineffective-blocking-sars-cov-2-particles-when-covid-19-patients-1496476)
The bottom line is this virus isn't going away until either enough people get it to stop its spread or an effective vaccine is made.
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I have heard all throughout this:
Vitamin D helps--get it with sunshine and/or D supplements.
Good fitness, exercize helps--Never discussed here.
There have been limited reopening's almost every state. Distancing.
Any GOOD date?
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It's simple folks, wear the masks and reopen the economy. Get people back to work, able to pay their bills again. Get kids back in school. Maybe even re-elect the President.
Don't wear masks, and governors will take more drastic steps and re-close the economy, just in time for the misery to bite on Election Day.
Don't wear masks, bye-bye Trump.
You just can't help yourself. 88devil
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I have heard all throughout this:
Vitamin D helps--get it with sunshine and/or D supplements.
Good fitness, exercize helps--Never discussed here.
There have been limited reopening's almost every state. Distancing.
Any GOOD date?
I take 5,000 IU of D3 a day...
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I wonder if folks have stopped to think of basic aerodynamics... A face shield moving forward through a space id PUSHING air in front of it What happens behind it? Think wing. Necessarily the air will roil behind the shield, pulling a current in from the sides.
Will it protect you from someone spitting on you? Of course. Will it protect you from aerosols carried in the air? No.
@roamer_1
roamer, Again, you are wrong. A Face Shield in front goes a number of inches below your chin. Also, the Face Shield curves around the face, almost to your ears. The air cannot roll around this curve unless it stops moving and backs up; even then, the plastic is against your skin, no room for air to back up and get in there. It was made that way to keep air from going in. Your medical knowledge is lacking. When you see pictures inside a hospital, you will see Face Shields on those medical people who deal with very sick people. You will also see surgical masks also being worn under the Shield, either the soft kind or an N95.
To become an EMT (Emergency Medical Technician), I had to work in an emergency room. Have you? I wore various types medical masks along with the rest of the doctors/nurses. I worked on an ambulance going to car wrecks and to sick people in homes. We wore masks when necessary, according to what the medical 911 call was about. I made the highest grade on the state test. My instructor said he told his wife, if he was really sick, to call me before she called 911. I know masks and a lot more. I took emergency care of people and each one was important to keep him/her alive for their own future life and for their family. If you want to call that "emotional", then I am. Every EMT, then, is emotional and every doctor/nurse is emotional.
@libertybele
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I have heard all throughout this:
Vitamin D helps--get it with sunshine and/or D supplements.
Good fitness, exercize helps--Never discussed here.
There have been limited reopening's almost every state. Distancing.
Any GOOD date?
Probably more importantly, start jacking C's. I do 2 EmergenCs in the morning, and 1000 mg with every meal... s something like 5000 mg /day, High dose vit C is likely the very best preventative you can take against viruses. I also do 10,000 IU vit D w/K (D needs K), and still taking fire cider, though I am about out. Even so, a diet higher in vinegar is helpful for its antibiotic value, as well as other things (mostly for bad belly for me... No more prilosec...)
Thieves oil, oregano oil...
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Probably more importantly, start jacking C's. I do 2 EmergenCs in the morning, and 1000 mg with every meal... s something like 5000 mg /day, High dose vit C is likely the very best preventative you can take against viruses. I also do 10,000 IU vit D w/K (D needs K), and still taking fire cider, though I am about out. Even so, a diet higher in vinegar is helpful for its antibiotic value, as well as other things (mostly for bad belly for me... No more prilosec...)
Thieves oil, oregano oil...
I also take wide spectrum K2.
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@roamer_1
roamer, Again, you are wrong. A Face Shield in front goes a number of inches below your chin. Also, the Face Shield curves around the face, almost to your ears. The air cannot roll around this curve unless it stops moving and backs up; even then, the plastic is against your skin, no room for air to back up and get in there. It was made that way to keep air from going in. Your medical knowledge is lacking. When you see pictures inside a hospital, you will see Face Shields on those medical people who deal with very sick people. You will also see surgical masks also being worn under the Shield, either the soft kind or an N95.
@Victoria33
Again, that is not what virologists use. And no, I am not wrong about face shields. They DO roil. Unless it is a full face mask, you are literally wasting your time.
To become an EMT (Emergency Medical Technician), I had to work in an emergency room. Have you?
Nope. just a simple painter, who happens to be very, very familiar with being able to breath in a room full of noxious fumes. I am indeed an authority on masks and how they work, especially when worn all day long in a building stuffed FULL of aerosols that would render me useless without filters. So full that seeing through it to the other wall is unlikely.
I know that once a paper mask gets wet, you can literally lick the volatiles right out of the back of the mask. That's how you know you are way past the time to change it. Typical wetness build up from breathing defeats the mask's static charge (which is how a paper mask works) An n95 works less than a half hour in those conditions, and I will be high as a kite in 10 minutes.
I also know to pack my eyes with vaseline because those same volatiles sting the eyes like crazy. So I am well aware that eyes are not protected by masks and that they need to be. I also know that a face shield roils because I have sprayed in one, many a time. when you can't see no more, having cleaned the front of the shield, you have to clean the back side of the shield. I have done it a ton.
I am also familiar with blowing a room full of xylene, MEK, and no54 based epoxies, paints and stains... keytone and 54 are so bad that if you get them on your skin, you can taste them in your mouth. So I am also quite familiar with full face systems and full air systems in a Pilsbury Dougboy suit.
I know how air works and moves, and I know how masks work... Likely better than most folks do. To include doctors, who obviously don't know jack about same.
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I also take wide spectrum K2.
I didn't know... What a difference. :beer:
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The mask is intended to keep the individual from spreading droplets..... not for their own personal protection And again, one bad actor, like you eloquently mentioned kind of f's up the whole process. If everyone had commons sense.... it would work
That's a high bar...humanity isn't going to clear it.
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@roamer_1
You said, "Nope. just a simple painter, who happens to be very, very familiar with being able to breath in a room full of noxious fumes. I am indeed an authority on masks and how they work, especially when worn all day long in a building stuffed FULL of aerosols that would render me useless without filters."
Industrial masks are different than medical masks. Industrial masks are not used in a medical sitting because they can't stop something as small as a virus. An N95 medical mask with a face guard stops a virus. You don't believe that so I wish you well but you are still wrong. :chairbang: :seeya:
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Inside a Texas hospital (note the face shields workers are using):
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/from-the-front-lines-inside-texas-hospital-overwhelmed-by-coronavirus-patients/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/video/from-the-front-lines-inside-texas-hospital-overwhelmed-by-coronavirus-patients/)
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@roamer_1
You said, "Nope. just a simple painter, who happens to be very, very familiar with being able to breath in a room full of noxious fumes. I am indeed an authority on masks and how they work, especially when worn all day long in a building stuffed FULL of aerosols that would render me useless without filters."
Industrial masks are different than medical masks. Industrial masks are not used in a medical sitting because they can't stop something as small as a virus. An N95 medical mask with a face guard stops a virus. You don't believe that so I wish you well but you are still wrong. :chairbang: :seeya:
@Victoria33
NO, I AIN'T. N95 is short for NIOSH 95% - A mask that meets the 95% particulate NIOSH standard... It's a RATING for a mask that filters 95% of airborne particulates.. The medical mask gets the name, but it is not the only one to achieve that rating... In fact, one of the early things Tumpy did was to sign an EO allowing medical systems to use the commercial grade variant of the 3M n95, which is the SAME DAMN THING under different branding, making 30m more masks immediately available.. The reason medical masks are medical masks is so they can charge 50x more for them than the commercial masks, and that is the ONLY reason.
Well that ain't true - theN95 surgical has been certed to stop liquid streams (like blood), along with the particulate rating, but like I said, the commercial N95 is the very same mask, under a different brand. the only difference is in the cert, not in the capability.
And in fact, commercial respirators (like the ones most used by painters), you know, the cartridge style filters, are SUPERIOR to NIOSH95 rated masks, with superior face-fitting, and having not only small particulate (n95) paper cartridges, which are way larger and way more robust, but which are only there to keep moisture from hitting the (Optional multiple) charcoal filters which allow nothing past, to include fumes. Yes, what I got is BETTER than what you got. An n95 is disposable and temporary, and is not meant for long term use like a cartridge respirator is, nor for use in caustic environments like a cartridge respirator is. As I said, a mere n95 would last me less than 1/2 hour, and I would be high from the fumes almost immediately.
And even at that, a fitted mask is not perfect, and if you have not greased the edges of the mask (with vaseline or the like) the seal is still not as good as it could be. See, a painter would know that, because the least hint of ill-fitting is immediately detected and indicated by gagging. I must KNOW I have a perfect fit and in certain cases take pains to achieve it, or I will not be working long. In that I know better how poorly even a properly fitted mask works, and how to achieve a perfect seal, or I do not work.
And likewise, one of the most common failures is at the exhaust port... If your mask does not have an exhaust port it will load up on moisture, and will soon be rendered ineffective, and moisture radically reduces the effective life of the mask... and if the port is not properly cared for, it can be a direct path into the mask, bypassing the filters.
I have this extended knowledge because I am in a noxious environment. and can immediately smell it when the mask is improper. That leads me to extended training in proper care that I am sure your standard health care worker does not receive... like frequent and common care of the exhaust port, and commonly greasing the fitted edge of the mask. Since I am often spraying a color, I can physically see penetrations through the paper filter, where it has failed due to moisture, and know to replace them - again a feature that leads to proper and habitual changing of filters/masks that medical personnel likely don't even think of.
If your masks are SO good, why is it that medical people are dropping like flies and getting infected?
Because the masks do not work.
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I have heard all throughout this:
Vitamin D helps--get it with sunshine and/or D supplements.
Good fitness, exercize helps--Never discussed here.
There have been limited reopening's almost every state. Distancing.
Any GOOD date?
Back when I was walking a half marathon a month plus the weekly outdoors and indoors stuff to maintain that (context), I tested low on vitamin D. Per my cardiologist, as people age their bodies capability to convert sunshine to vitamin D decreases.
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Back when I was walking a half marathon a month plus the weekly outdoors and indoors stuff to maintain that (context), I tested low on vitamin D. Per my cardiologist, as people age their bodies capability to convert sunshine to vitamin D decreases.
Not really that - We are made to be outside, and by and large most folks aren't. very few spend their whole day out in it, regardless of conditions. And the older you get, the more that is so. I used to rake asphalt in 100 degree weather. Not no more. I don't know, really, if I lost the capability or I just ain't that dumb now... But that ain't happening. It gets close to 90 I am inside with all the shades pulled down, keeping the sun out of the house. Now, considering you get most of your D from the sun...