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General Category => Elections 2024 => Topic started by: Elderberry on March 17, 2024, 12:36:26 pm
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The American Mind by Jeremy Carl
The normalization of election tampering has perverted American politics.
an is a creature that can get accustomed to anything,” said Dostoyevsky, and indeed, we’ve become so accustomed to the manipulation of our elections that it’s become almost the norm. But the Democrats have already far exceeded even their previous serious misdeeds. Conservative complaints about this tend to be dismissed as conspiracy-mongering or poor sportsmanship. But to pretend that the Democrats’ actions since November 2020 are just part of the rough-and-tumble of politics is to ignore a mountain of evidence staring us in the face.
There is nothing normal about the presidential election of 2024—nor should we attempt to normalize it, because the Democrats’ behavior has been a tragedy for American democracy. As Matt Taibbi put it in an outstanding article analyzing recent moves from the Democrats, the “2024 presidential race increasingly looks like it will be decided by lawyers, not voters, as Democrats unveil plans for America’s first lawfare election.”
If anything, Taibbi understates the case. Democratic election interference has been so pervasive that it is hard to see how we could have an election that objective outside observers would consider free and fair. This is a grave and serious accusation to level and one which holds frightening implications for the future of American democracy. But it does us no good to hide from the truth.
The GOP Body Count
The Biden regime and its accomplices have made sure that friends and allies have paid a severe price for taking them on. My Claremont colleague John Eastman, a former law school dean and Supreme Court clerk for Justice Thomas, has been forced to pay millions of dollars in legal fees to defend himself from both criminal and civil charges over the legal advice around the 2020 election that he gave to President Trump. Lawyers are supposed to advocate aggressively for their clients. Whether or not one agrees with Eastman’s theories (and a number of conservative attorneys have supported him), there is no evidence that he did not argue them in good faith.
Nonetheless, he faces disbarment in California and criminal charges in Georgia, filed by corrupt Fulton County DA Fanni Willis. Many other Trump attorneys have already pled guilty to Georgia charges or still face legal jeopardy. But, of course, Eastman’s prosecution and possible disbarment isn’t really about Eastman. It’s about sending a message to other talented conservatives—don’t defend Donald Trump or Republicans in general or you’ll face the end of your careers, personal bankruptcy, and possibly the end of your freedom.
The people who demand that we “protect democracy” are the same people eliminating democracy. A core part of the Biden strategy, as shown in leaked campaign strategy memos, is to paint his opponent as fundamentally an “existential threat to democracy,” even as he and his allies make one anti-democratic move after another.
More: https://americanmind.org/salvo/the-2024-election-will-be-neither-free-nor-fair/ (https://americanmind.org/salvo/the-2024-election-will-be-neither-free-nor-fair/)
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Posted by me to this forum on November 13, 2020:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,419737.msg2325220.html#msg2325220
I saved it under the title "American Apparatus"...
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Republicans have had four years to do something about it. And still they do nothing.
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Here's a question" What will all y'all do if Tumpy actually wins? Will it still be rigged then, eh?
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Here's a question" What will all y'all do if Tumpy actually wins? Will it still be rigged then, eh?
Your use of "Tumpy" is insulting to those who will be voting for him, and perhaps that's what your intention was. Nevertheless, I'll answer. If the Dems don't manage to steal the election, it doesn't mean they didn't try. Just that they didn't succeed.
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Your use of "Tumpy" is insulting to those who will be voting for him, and perhaps that's what your intention was. Nevertheless, I'll answer. If the Dems don't manage to steal the election, it doesn't mean they didn't try. Just that they didn't succeed.
My use of Tumpy will forever be... A constant reminder of just what you're voting for - Because he does the same to everyone, daily. Good for the goose, and all that.
You can be insulted all you like. But then, you're missing the point.
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Here's a question" What will all y'all do if Tumpy actually wins? Will it still be rigged then, eh?
If Trump wins, the Democrats will claim the election was stolen and rigged similar to what they did when he won in 2016.
Regardless who wins, the way we vote and conduct elections is in desperate need of improvement. This mass mail in voting and liberalized ballot harvesting for one. And when did this idea of no questions asked early voting start?
And there’s no dumber position when it comes to elections the idea that you don’t need an ID to vote
There were things allowed to happen in 2020 due to COVID that shouldn’t have been allowed.
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My use of Tumpy will forever be... A constant reminder of just what you're voting for - Because he does the same to everyone, daily. Good for the goose, and all that.
You can be insulted all you like. But then, you're missing the point.
Yep
It’s funny how he can insult and have nicknames for everybody else. But when it’s done to Trump, his supporters get all up in arms
I personally don’t do it but you are right. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
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My use of Tumpy will forever be... A constant reminder of just what you're voting for - Because he does the same to everyone, daily. Good for the goose, and all that.
You can be insulted all you like. But then, you're missing the point.
@roamer_1
Dude, why do you think so many have to hold their nose to vote for him? He certainly doesn't win people over with his tactics and neither do you. Just saying.
BTW, a few years ago I decided to clarify the difference between "emulate" and "imitate." Here's what I found:
If you try to climb the same mountain your big brother did, you're emulating him, but if you copy his habit of sticking peas up his nose, you're just imitating him.
Is your nose full yet? :tongue2:
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@roamer_1
Dude, why do you think so many have to hold their nose to vote for him? He certainly doesn't win people over with his tactics and neither do you. Just saying.
BTW, a few years ago I decided to clarify the difference between "emulate" and "imitate." Here's what I found:
Is your nose full yet? :tongue2:
888high58888 :beer:
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What number election cycle are we on that we’re being told we need to hold our nose and vote for the Republican nominee?
Lesson is, if you continue to hold your nose and vote for a candidate , you will continue to hold your nose and vote for candidates. They learned that they don’t have to really do anything because they’ve got your vote regardless. That explains Donald Trump’s leftward shift.
There was a thread that linked to a report of the destructiveness of some of the policies that were implemented around Covid. The two architects of that are running and asking the American people to give them another shot.
No thank you
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Here's a question" What will all y'all do if Tumpy actually wins? Will it still be rigged then, eh?
They will claim there was still fraud but they overcame it, like in 2016. They will never stop believing in the Great Pumpkin. Never mind that these "the election is doomed" posts just discourage people from voting in the first place.
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What number election cycle are we on that we’re being told we need to hold our nose and vote for the Republican nominee?
Lesson is, if you continue to hold your nose and vote for a candidate , you will continue to hold your nose and vote for candidates. They learned that they don’t have to really do anything because they’ve got your vote regardless. That explains Donald Trump’s leftward shift.
There was a thread that linked to a report of the destructiveness of some of the policies that were implemented around Covid. The two architects of that are running and asking the American people to give them another shot.
No thank you
@LMAO
Actually, the lesson is that Biden and the Dems have brought us to our knees in 3 years. Four more years will be our undoing. There was a time when I didn't fully understand the phrase "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." There are times when I'm willing to wait for perfect. This isn't one of those times.
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@LMAO
Actually, the lesson is that Biden and the Dems have brought us to our knees in 3 years. Four more years will be our undoing. There was a time when I didn't fully understand the phrase "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." There are times when I'm willing to wait for perfect. This isn't one of those times.
So what mechanism do you have to hold Donald Trump accountable? Remember, he doesn’t need your vote anymore should he win so he can easily shift positions based on who pays him the most
This isn’t about the perfect candidate. No one is the perfect candidate. But speaking as a conservative, Donald Trump is very far removed on issues such as spending, trade, the role of the federal government, and even if you’re a social conservative, Donald Trump is also flexible when it comes to that
Making liberals heads explode may give that initial emotional rush. But then he would have to govern after that.
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@LMAO
Actually, the lesson is that Biden and the Dems have brought us to our knees in 3 years. Four more years will be our undoing. There was a time when I didn't fully understand the phrase "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." There are times when I'm willing to wait for perfect. This isn't one of those times.
If George Washington had not used the army he had and waited to have the one he wanted we would all still be English subjects!
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Your use of "Tumpy" is insulting to those who will be voting for him, and perhaps that's what your intention was. Nevertheless, I'll answer. If the Dems don't manage to steal the election, it doesn't mean they didn't try. Just that they didn't succeed.
I understand how you feel, but Trumpy is nothing compared to what some Briefers used as descriptors for DeSantis and before him(still?) Cruz. Personally I think Trumpy is pretty mild and easy to just ignore. Of course, obviously YMMV :shrug:
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So what mechanism do you have to hold Donald Trump accountable? Remember, he doesn’t need your vote anymore should he win so he can easily shift positions based on who pays him the most
This isn’t about the perfect candidate. No one is the perfect candidate. But speaking as a conservative, Donald Trump is very far removed on issues such as spending, trade, the role of the federal government, and even if you’re a social conservative, Donald Trump is also flexible when it comes to that
Making liberals heads explode may give that initial emotional rush. But then he would have to govern after that.
@LMAO
It's hard to hold any lame duck politician accountable. That's the nature of our system.
Obviously, I haven't made myself clear yet. I'm not looking to defend a 2nd Trump term. I'm desperately looking to avoid a 2nd Biden term (also unaccountable, I might add). I'll take a flawed Republican candidate until which time we can get one who's more agreeable to the various factions of the Party. As some smart Briefer posted recently (sorry I can't remember who), it allows us to survive to fight another day. Or something along those lines.
Although I am one to enjoy watching liberal heads explode, that's not why I want a Trump victory in November. I'm scared spitless of the amount of destruction another 4 years of Democrat rule -- and I do mean rule -- will leave us with. I believe we don't survive an unchecked Democrat onslaught.
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If George Washington had not used the army he had and waited to have the one he wanted we would all still be English subjects!
:amen:
Pay attention, y'all. Here's a smart man. And he's from Texas, of course. God bless Texas.
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I understand how you feel, but Trumpy is nothing compared to what some Briefers used as descriptors for DeSantis and before him(still?) Cruz. Personally I think Trumpy is pretty mild and easy to just ignore. Of course, obviously YMMV :shrug:
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@GtHawk
Yes, as far as name-calling goes, it's certainly not the worst. I wish we had learned to disagree without all that childish baggage. Hard to move on when the Party's leader is the chief offender. **nononono*
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@LMAO
It's hard to hold any lame duck politician accountable. That's the nature of our system.
Obviously, I haven't made myself clear yet. I'm not looking to defend a 2nd Trump term. I'm desperately looking to avoid a 2nd Biden term (also unaccountable, I might add). I'll take a flawed Republican candidate until which time we can get one who's more agreeable to the various factions of the Party. As some smart Briefer posted recently (sorry I can't remember who), it allows us to survive to fight another day. Or something along those lines.
Although I am one to enjoy watching liberal heads explode, that's not why I want a Trump victory in November. I'm scared spitless of the amount of destruction another 4 years of Democrat rule -- and I do mean rule -- will leave us with. I believe we don't survive an unchecked Democrat onslaught.
Well, keep in mind that the opposition believes that we wouldn’t survive another Trump term. They believe that if Trump wins that’s the end of democracy in this country as we know it.
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:amen:
Pay attention, y'all. Here's a smart man. And he's from Texas, of course. God bless Texas.
Except George Washington and his army didn’t fight for keeping the system intact on the belief they would just run it better than the British. His army fought to separate from the British and created our own country based on the idea that all men are created equal and freedom.
He didn’t fight a revolutionary war based on the idea of retribution and growing the size of government
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Well, keep in mind that the opposition believes that we wouldn’t survive another Trump term. They believe that if Trump wins that’s the end of democracy in this country as we know it.
@LMAO
Probably so, but I'm more concerned about what Republicans believe. If they believe we have another bite of the apple after a Democrat victory in November, they'd have to convince me with an educated, reasoned argument. Not some emotional reaction to "Tumpy." Tell me why Biden and Company, with control of so many levers of government, would not finish the job they've set out to do. Good grief, y'all. Just the number of illegals is enough to be the ruin of us. I'm not gonna lie. I'm astonished that Republicans would flirt with an election that ensures our certain demise if we don't stop Biden.
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@LMAO
Probably so, but I'm more concerned about what Republicans believe. If they believe we have another bite of the apple after a Democrat victory in November, they'd have to convince me with an educated, reasoned argument. Not some emotional reaction to "Tumpy." Tell me why Biden and Company, with control of so many levers of government, would not finish the job they've set out to do. Good grief, y'all. Just the number of illegals is enough to be the ruin of us. I'm not gonna lie. I'm astonished that Republicans would flirt with an election that ensures our certain demise if we don't stop Biden.
A lot of us who are not voting for Donald Trump are very well aware of the issues that come with another Biden term. We’re teetering on the edge regardless who gets elected.
But let’s say Donald Trump wins. He doesn’t have to campaign anymore and he owes a lot of money so he susceptible to donors and lobbyist as we’ve already seen. After he finishes that term, they’ll be an open presidential seat that will most certainly go to the Democrat. That person is going to get a potential eight years. Any executive orders that were shoved through under Donald Trump’s term would be immediately erased. And it’s a possibility that that Democrat president could be further to the left. Look at what followed him the first time and look at what followed eight years of George Bush.
The hope, and I can’t guarantee anything, is if Biden gets a second term, and if the Republicans can somehow find a viable candidate with appeal to the general public at large, that could be an opening for another Reagan type Revolution. I know it’s a longshot. But that’s a better scenario than what I outlined above
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Except George Washington and his army didn’t fight for keeping the system intact on the belief they would just run it better than the British. His army fought to separate from the British and created our own country based on the idea that all men are created equal and freedom.
He didn’t fight a revolutionary war based on the idea of retribution and growing the size of government
@LMAO
Desperation is desperation. You're trying to make perfect analogies. I'm arguing for the survival of the republic. Maybe you believe the republic survives Biden, et al. I don't. That's my frame of reference in this whole argument. I'm a pragmatist. While I'd love to have the candidate of my dreams, my pragmatism has kicked in, and I'm trying to encourage others alone those lines. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but I'm enthusiastic to vote for him this year because to lose to the Dems is a devastating outcome.
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@LMAO
Desperation is desperation. You're trying to make perfect analogies. I'm arguing for the survival of the republic. Maybe you believe the republic survives Biden, et al. I don't. That's my frame of reference in this whole argument. I'm a pragmatist. While I'd love to have the candidate of my dreams, my pragmatism has kicked in, and I'm trying to encourage others alone those lines. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but I'm enthusiastic to vote for him this year because to lose to the Dems is a devastating outcome.
The Republic has survived a Civil War, economic panics and crashes, two world wars, civil unrests….
It can survive and recover from a confusioned and demented old man. But that has to be up to the American people and not one politician.
The point is that Washington didn’t have the perfect army. But what they fought for and ended up achieving was worth fighting for
They didn’t declare their independence from the British and fight the revolutionary war just to make British heads explode
If you’re a constitutional conservative, you have no choice for President this year inside the two running
If you’re a fiscal conservative, you have no choice for president this year
If you’re a social conservative, you have no choice for president this year
I became a Ron Paul supporter sometime after the 2004 election. And although I don’t agree with him on everything, he’s as close to my ideology as any politician I’ve seen since Goldwater
I understand and appreciate your position. But that’s a position that’s been taken the last several presidential cycles and we’re still complaining of the same things here in 2024.
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The point is that Washington didn’t have the perfect army. But what they fought for and ended up achieving was worth fighting for
They didn’t declare their independence from the British and fight the revolutionary war just to make British heads explode
If you’re a constitutional conservative, you have no choice for President this year inside the two running
If you’re a fiscal conservative, you have no choice for president this year
If you’re a social conservative, you have no choice for president this year
I became a Ron Paul supporter sometime after the 2004 election. And although I don’t agree with him on everything, he’s as close to my ideology as any politician I’ve seen since Goldwater
I understand and appreciate your position. But that’s a position that’s been taken the last several presidential cycles and we’re still complaining of the same things here in 2024.
@LMAO
Dang! I didn't actually ask you, but I did hope that you'd address whether you believe the republic survives 4 more years of Dems. We've never been so far along on the path to destruction as we are now. Dems are doing nefarious (lawless) things in all corners of our government. A 2nd term will remove any boundaries they were reined in by in the 1st term. And we all know that not much reined them in. I never saw such a group that could lie to your face (border is closed, Afghanistan was a success, etc.) or ignore the law of the land (SCOTUS decision on student loan forgiveness), and get away with it! What the hell?
If I were to guess, I'd say you believe that we do survive another term of a Dem administration. I don't. I'm a desperate woman. I've watched some shocking and frightening things over the last 3 years, and I expect another 4 years will be worse than we could imagine. As a woman of advanced years, I get that I won't have to endure a lot of years of living under the new regime of wall-to-wall Democrats. I do feel terrible for the generations that follow. They don't seem particularly equipped to pull themselves out of the mire created by leftists.
Have a good day, fellow Briefer.
P.S. Ron Paul was my representative so he has received my support many times.
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@LMAO
Dang! I didn't actually ask you, but I did hope that you'd address whether you believe the republic survives 4 more years of Dems. We've never been so far along on the path to destruction as we are now. Dems are doing nefarious (lawless) things in all corners of our government. A 2nd term will remove any boundaries they were reined in by in the 1st term. And we all know that not much reined them in. I never saw such a group that could lie to your face (border is closed, Afghanistan was a success, etc.) or ignore the law of the land (SCOTUS decision on student loan forgiveness), and get away with it! What the hell?
If I were to guess, I'd say you believe that we do survive another term of a Dem administration. I don't. I'm a desperate woman. I've watched some shocking and frightening things over the last 3 years, and I expect another 4 years will be worse than we could imagine. As a woman of advanced years, I get that I won't have to endure a lot of years of living under the new regime of wall-to-wall Democrats. I do feel terrible for the generations that follow. They don't seem particularly equipped to pull themselves out of the mire created by leftists.
Have a good day, fellow Briefer.
P.S. Ron Paul was my representative so he has received my support many times.
I modified the post that you quoted and I you missed my modification before you had a chance to reply to me.
America has been through a lot throughout its history and yet it has survived. I believe we can survive and recover from a demented old man. But that would have to be up to the American voter and not a politician. People are putting too much misguided hope in Donald Trump.
I see no policy whatsoever coming from Donald Trump that would fix the country. He wants a hell of a lot more spending, which should result in high deficits, which means that they would have to be covered through borrowing and printing which would further aggravate inflation, and harm American consumers. That’s not saving the country. And you throw that on top of his tariffs
Donald Trump had no problem with the country being shut down for months on end and it is even critical of governors who he felt open their states too soon. Governors, like DeSantis took a lot of heat from the press for doing such. But he turned out to be right.
Donald Trump handing out that money during Covid was a huge blow to the work ethic in this country. People believe that they could just sit at home and receive government checks versus going to work and that was further harmed with Joe Biden’s mandating that employees must get a vaccine in order to work. The result was people not wanting to go to work.
I suppose you could argue that he’d shut down the border. But that would be opened right up again with the next Democrat president.
I know you have your position. I have mine. And that’s OK.
@AllThatJazzZ always nice to see a fellow Ron Paul supporter and you have yourself a wonderful day too
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@LMAO
Dang! I didn't actually ask you, but I did hope that you'd address whether you believe the republic survives 4 more years of Dems.
Didn't ask me, but I'd answer "yes". Having the Supreme Court makes a huge difference and limits the extra-constitutional damage they can do. And if we (by that I mean Republicans) end up with either one or even both houses of Congress, even better.
Also, the last 3.5 years have seen significant blowback against leftism among the general population. I think that would continue if Biden is re-elected. The flip side is that I think 4 years of Trump would result in something pretty horrific in 2028. And like @LMAO , I think Trump will be worse in 25-28 than he was in 17-21 because I don't believe he is a conservative, and would be looking for massive compromises with the left to be more popular/less widely despised. And probably just to get some legislative accomplishments he could tout.
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The Republic has survived a Civil War, economic panics and crashes, two world wars, civil unrests….
@LMAO
Re your update...
In no way does this era reflect any era that has preceded us. This is an era when Islamists are on the rise and looking to cover the earth with their caliphate at the expense of all other faiths. Borders are compromised around the globe, and nations are enduring no-go zones in their within their own borders.
Heads of state are in the process of seizing power and diminishing the liberties of their citizens. We need to look no further than our own continent and see what Biden and Trudeau are up to. Who could have expected to see what they've done in such an abbreviated span of time?
Anarchy is prevalent around the globe, enabled by the newest threat to life as we've known it -- the internet. Nothing will ever be the same since the arrival of the WWW in our lives. No other time in history had this threat looming on such a large, unmanageable scale. Our geography isn't in our favor like it has been throughout history. People are flying hither and thither around the earth, and borders are breached. Plus, the internet has no border limitations.
Add to all this the fact that God is relegated to a back burner by a large percentage of Americans and the world. We're not operating under the same conditions as before.
There is no other time in human history like this time. Therefore, I never factor in those previous scenarios you listed.
The heart of man is desperately wicked. This is the perfect storm they've been waiting for. They're not going to miss this chance.
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Didn't ask me, but I'd answer "yes". Having the Supreme Court makes a huge difference and limits the extra-constitutional damage they can do. And if we (by that I mean Republicans) end up with either one or even both houses of Congress, even better.
Also, the last 3.5 years have seen significant blowback against leftism among the general population. I think that would continue if Biden is re-elected. The flip side is that I think 4 years of Trump would result in something pretty horrific in 2028. And like @LMAO , I think Trump will be worse in 25-28 than he was in 17-21 because I don't believe he is a conservative, and would be looking for massive.compromises with the left to be more popular.
I can’t guarantee that a solid conservative is going to follow eight years of Biden. But it has a better chance of happening, then four years of Trump.
I know there’s quite a few people here who have the mindset that they wish there was another candidate, but they feel compelled to vote for Donald Trump because they don’t want to risk a second Biden term. I get that. But I’ve made a different choice and I’ve outlined my reasons why.
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@AllThatJazzZ
Thought you’d might like to know, in conclusion, that your position is exactly the same as my wife’s. And don’t take my posts to you as an insult. I understand your position.
I guess there are risks to both of our viewpoints
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I modified the post that you quoted and I you missed my modification before you had a chance to reply to me.
America has been through a lot throughout its history and yet it has survived. I believe we can survive and recover from a demented old man. But that would have to be up to the American voter and not a politician. People are putting too much misguided hope in Donald Trump.
I see no policy whatsoever coming from Donald Trump that would fix the country. He wants a hell of a lot more spending, which should result in high deficits, which means that they would have to be covered through borrowing and printing which would further aggravate inflation, and harm American consumers. That’s not saving the country. And you throw that on top of his tariffs
Donald Trump had no problem with the country being shut down for months on end and it is even critical of governors who he felt open their states too soon. Governors, like DeSantis took a lot of heat from the press for doing such. But he turned out to be right.
Donald Trump handing out that money during Covid was a huge blow to the work ethic in this country. People believe that they could just sit at home and receive government checks versus going to work and that was further harmed with Joe Biden’s mandating that employees must get a vaccine in order to work. The result was people not wanting to go to work.
I suppose you could argue that he’d shut down the border. But that would be opened right up again with the next Democrat president.
I know you have your position. I have mine. And that’s OK.
@AllThatJazzZ always nice to see a fellow Ron Paul supporter and you have yourself a wonderful day too
CAN ANYONE HEAR ME??? IS THIS THING ON??? HELLO??
It's not hope in Donald Trump but rather fear of losing the republic under Dems. I guess I don't have the skills to get my point across, but, considering all the points I made in my previous post (this is a different time in history), I'm going to take a break from further attempts to make my point. Y'all can take a swipe at me and my lack of principle, my ignorance, my naivety, my dearth of virtue, or whatever you'd like to chalk my intransigence up to. What drives me is preserving the republic, and even under the best of circumstances, it's going to take a lot of work.
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@AllThatJazzZ
Thought you’d might like to know, in conclusion, that your position is exactly the same as my wife’s. And don’t take my posts to you as an insult. I understand your position.
I guess there are risks to both of our viewpoints
@LMAO
Good to know that you have a very intelligent wife. wink777
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CAN ANYONE HEAR ME??? IS THIS THING ON??? HELLO??
It's not hope in Donald Trump but rather fear of losing the republic under Dems. I guess I don't have the skills to get my point across, but, considering all the points I made in my previous post (this is a different time in history), I'm going to take a break from further attempts to make my point. Y'all can take a swipe at me and my lack of principle, my ignorance, my naivety, my dearth of virtue, or whatever you'd like to chalk my intransigence up to. What drives me is preserving the republic, and even under the best of circumstances, it's going to take a lot of work.
I hear you loud and clear! And BTW; there is nothing wrong with your ability to communicate.
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@LMAO
Dang! I didn't actually ask you, but I did hope that you'd address whether you believe the republic survives 4 more years of Dems. We've never been so far along on the path to destruction as we are now. Dems are doing nefarious (lawless) things in all corners of our government. A 2nd term will remove any boundaries they were reined in by in the 1st term. And we all know that not much reined them in. I never saw such a group that could lie to your face (border is closed, Afghanistan was a success, etc.) or ignore the law of the land (SCOTUS decision on student loan forgiveness), and get away with it! What the hell?
If I were to guess, I'd say you believe that we do survive another term of a Dem administration. I don't. I'm a desperate woman. I've watched some shocking and frightening things over the last 3 years, and I expect another 4 years will be worse than we could imagine. As a woman of advanced years, I get that I won't have to endure a lot of years of living under the new regime of wall-to-wall Democrats. I do feel terrible for the generations that follow. They don't seem particularly equipped to pull themselves out of the mire created by leftists.
Have a good day, fellow Briefer.
P.S. Ron Paul was my representative so he has received my support many times.
Another long time Ron Paul supporter chimes in. I see it the way you do @AllThatJazzZ , for likely the same reasons.
Being born in the 1950s and coming of age in the 1960s, gives me a bit of a longer view of the country. This country, the civil society, and the democrat and republican parties that we remember from young adulthood and into our 30s/40s no longer exist. Governing the nation and making decisions that support the well being of the citizens is no longer a priority (or even a passing thought) for the vast majority of both parties. (Sure, there are a small handful of exceptions in the republican party, I don't know of any such exceptions in the national level of the democrat party.) In short, maintaining and seeking 'corporate' (using the generic definition of a unified body of individuals) and personal POWER is the heart of the democrat party, and any financial gains that come their way is the gravy. For republicans, maintaining and increasing 'corporate' and personal WEALTH is the heart of the republican party, and any power/influence gains that come their way is the gravy.
As such, no one is going to be teaching either party a "lesson" by withholding a vote... using the republican party as our focus, there is no longer significant mass in the party that is going to heed such a lesson, and 'do better' to ensure that a more 'conservative' electable candidate will ever appear as the republican presidential candidate. Just not going to happen in any of our lifetimes. Sorry. Getting a 'conservative' presidential candidate elected is NOT a goal or desire of the republican party.
As much as people resist (for numerous reasons, many of them quite noble) coming to grips with this simple fact, it is what it is: Donald Trump is likely the 'best' that we are going to get in our lifetimes. A sad, but realistic fact. A deeply flawed, and often less than capable, man like Donald Trump is as good as it gets in 2024 America. Aside from his innate marketing, sales and self-promotion skills (which are not trivial, hence why he even has a shred of a chance of getting elected), the only thing in his (our) favor is that I believe that he truly loves this country and its people. And hence if elected, he will stumble and bumble along a path that at least slows down (at least a bit) of the destruction that has been unfolding (at an ever increasing rate and magnitude) all around us.
Voting for Trump in 2024 is pretty much a 'hail Mary' attempt at buying a bit more time... time for everyone to better prepare for what is coming, and help others do the same. The odds that he will be elected and serve as President for 4 years are quite slim. But not at least trying to prevail under those odds is pretty much just giving up and giving in. I'd love to be completely wrong in my prognostications, especially for the younger generations, but I just don't think that is the case. We will all soon see.
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1.) Elections are imperfect, but can be improved by using implementing automatic recounts and audits for each election cycle.
2.) Will the Magas who win their elections be illiegitimate as the Dems who win theirs?
3.) Republicans are losing because they are not offering bread and butter solutions to the meat and potato issues of non-rich Americans.
What's the GOP solution to inflation?
What's the GOP solution for the lack of affordable housing due to NIMBY zoning laws?
What's the GOP solution for American supply chain security?
What's the GOP solution for legal immigration?
What's the GOP solution to strengthen America's economic, military, and diplomqatic stature to deal with the Axis of Evil - Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea?
What's the GOP solution for extricating American military and economic resources from the Middle East? How many Middle East wars are enough?
What's the GOP solution for a broken Federal Budget process?
The GOP is chasing the Culture Wars purple dragons, holding impeachments about nothing, and investigations to nowhere - while the FY24 Federal Budget is 5 months overdue?
Government is about more than creating Maga content for FoxNews, NewsMax, and OAN viewer consumption.
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My use of Tumpy will forever be... A constant reminder of just what you're voting for - Because he does the same to everyone, daily. Good for the goose, and all that.
You can be insulted all you like. But then, you're missing the point.
@roamer_1
The point is that you hate Trump because he was born into wealth,and you are jealous.
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If Trump wins, the Democrats will claim the election was stolen and rigged similar to what they did when he won in 2016.
Regardless who wins, the way we vote and conduct elections is in desperate need of improvement. This mass mail in voting and liberalized ballot harvesting for one. And when did this idea of no questions asked early voting start?
And there’s no dumber position when it comes to elections the idea that you don’t need an ID to vote
@LMAO
YES SIR,YES SIR,DIRECTLY OVER THE TARGET SIR,BOMBS AWAY!
There were things allowed to happen in 2020 due to COVID that shouldn’t have been allowed.
I have to disagree on this one. Covid was just the "tool". Nothing more than an excuse to allow the DNC to rig the election without being questioned.
I have NO freaking idea WHY the alleged Republicans allowed them to get away with this.
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@roamer_1
Dude, why do you think so many have to hold their nose to vote for him? He certainly doesn't win people over with his tactics and neither do you. Just saying.
BTW, a few years ago I decided to clarify the difference between "emulate" and "imitate." Here's what I found:
Is your nose full yet? :tongue2:
@AllThatJazzZ
BINGO!
BTW,where the HELL did the idea come from that you actually have to like a politician to vote for him or her?
When you vote,you are HIRING these people to work in the best interests of America,NOT be your "bestie for life". Or to even do anything that benefits you personally. Their job is to protect America and preserve the "America way of life".
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This is a question not directed at any one person here
All else being the same, but from 2017-2021 it was a Democrat in charge instead of Trump, would we be advocating for that person’s reelection? I’m betting no. In fact, we would use those same policies against that Democrat. We would be opposing that Democrat for putting Fauci in charge and shutting down the economy and destroying livelihoods , his/her out of control spending, his/her support for bailouts. We would be very critical of that person for wanting their name on the COVID checks. We would be accurately pointing out the state that person left the economy in as grounds to oppose that person’s reelection. And we would make fun of concepts like Freedom cities and there would be no shortage of folks pointing out the astronomical cost. And I’m sure that people would’nt be sympathetic if that Democrat handled their loss the same way Trump did
All the above, and then some, would be reasons why that Democrat should never be allowed near the WH again
Yet, when it’s Trump, we have to vote for him for some vague, undefined concept of saving the country.
How does threatening the standard of living of the American people become to be defined as saving the country? Is it ok as long as it’s being done by Trump?
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I understand how you feel, but Trumpy is nothing compared to what some Briefers used as descriptors for DeSantis and before him(still?) Cruz. Personally I think Trumpy is pretty mild and easy to just ignore. Of course, obviously YMMV :shrug:
:beer:
@GtHawk
DeSantis is a greasy weasel who will say and do ANYTHING if it helps him obtain power. He is nothing more than a little bitch playing grown-up.
*I* personally think that Ted Cruz JUST MIGHT be the smartest and the most politically conservative American politician,but even though he sometimes does "head fakes",he is NOT going to run for President because I BELIEVE he is a homosexual/Bi-sexual and would be exposed by the left if he does.
I am pretty sure the only thing that keeps the Dims from "outing him" now is "Mutual Assured Destruction". Damn shame because he WOULD have been a true political star. ANYBODY that tries to match wits with him in a debate needs to be on their toes or they would get smashed.
These people may all be politicians,but under that shell they are regular people with regular people prejudices,opinions,and beliefs. SOME will put "America first" regardless of any consequences to the regions they represent and their own re-election chances,and others will only do that when it is "convenient" for them and enhances their re-election chances.
They are all "individual people",just like thee and me.
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1.) Elections are imperfect, but can be improved by using implementing automatic recounts and audits for each election cycle.
2.) Will the Magas who win their elections be illiegitimate as the Dems who win theirs?
3.) Republicans are losing because they are not offering bread and butter solutions to the meat and potato issues of non-rich Americans.
What's the GOP solution to inflation?
What's the GOP solution for the lack of affordable housing due to NIMBY zoning laws?
What's the GOP solution for American supply chain security?
What's the GOP solution for legal immigration?
What's the GOP solution to strengthen America's economic, military, and diplomqatic stature to deal with the Axis of Evil - Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea?
What's the GOP solution for extricating American military and economic resources from the Middle East? How many Middle East wars are enough?
What's the GOP solution for a broken Federal Budget process?
The GOP is chasing the Culture Wars purple dragons, holding impeachments about nothing, and investigations to nowhere - while the FY24 Federal Budget is 5 months overdue?
Government is about more than creating Maga content for FoxNews, NewsMax, and OAN viewer consumption.
Not interested in saving the country, either I see
You are now an official member of the “He man America Haters Club” for asking such questions. We don’t have any merchandise or a theme song yet.
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@roamer_1
Dude, why do you think so many have to hold their nose to vote for him? He certainly doesn't win people over with his tactics and neither do you. Just saying.
BTW, a few years ago I decided to clarify the difference between "emulate" and "imitate." Here's what I found:
Is your nose full yet? :tongue2:
It's neither @AllThatJazzZ . If I were to imitate him, I would be assigning demeaning nicknames to everyone. Now, while I will admit to assigning some *few* demeaning nicknames, this one is a very pointed attack, on purpose, and a political gesture.
It started particularly during the '16 primary with Tumpy's fans demanding an air of respectability around their candidate at the same time Tumpy was down in the gutter against 'Lyin Ted' Cruz...
And here we are again. That's your guy. THAT's what you're voting for, and I will not let you forget it... And then dress him up in respectability, and award him the 'conservative' mantle, and all the other shit y'all will do to help you swallow that pride and go groveling and begging, back to the Republicans to get more of the same.
THAT's why he will ever be Tumpy.
And I hate peas.
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It's neither @AllThatJazzZ . If I were to imitate him, I would be assigning demeaning nicknames to everyone. Now, while I will admit to assigning some *few* demeaning nicknames, this one is a very pointed attack, on purpose, and a political gesture.
It started particularly during the '16 primary with Tumpy's fans demanding an air of respectability around their candidate at the same time Tumpy was down in the gutter against 'Lyin Ted' Cruz...
And here we are again. That's your guy. THAT's what you're voting for, and I will not let you forget it... And then dress him up in respectability, and award him the 'conservative' mantle, and all the other shit y'all will do to help you swallow that pride and go groveling and begging, back to the Republicans to get more of the same.
THAT's why he will ever be Tumpy.
And I hate peas.
He and his MAGAS also generously used the term “Desanctimonius” when it came to RDS
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@roamer_1
The point is that you hate Trump because he was born into wealth,and you are jealous.
Nope. Never been so, ain't so today.
I think he's a POS alright... And that ain't wrong. He is of a low-brow. His character leaves much to be desired.
But I don't hate him. And I sure as shit ain't jealous. Revulsion perhaps.
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The Republic has survived a Civil War, economic panics and crashes, two world wars, civil unrests….
It can survive and recover from a confusioned and demented old man. But that has to be up to the American people and not one politician.
@LMAO
Are you REALLY so confused that you think Biden is going to be in charge of ANYTHING if he wins re-election?
Hell,he's not in charge of anything NOW.
The point is that Washington didn’t have the perfect army. But what they fought for and ended up achieving was worth fighting for
They didn’t declare their independence from the British and fight the revolutionary war just to make British heads explode
WTH????
You think this is the war of 1812?
It's not even a war. It is a covert political uprising to steal the power from "We,the people",and place it all in the hands of a globalist empire where IF we are lucky as individuals,we MIGHT become a cog in their machine instead of slave labor.
If you’re a constitutional conservative, you have no choice for President this year inside the two running
If you’re a fiscal conservative, you have no choice for president this year
If you’re a social conservative, you have no choice for president this year
WHY did you keep misspelling "fool"?
I became a Ron Paul supporter sometime after the 2004 election. And although I don’t agree with him on everything, he’s as close to my ideology as any politician I’ve seen since Goldwater
You and the three other guys must have a hell of a good time partying down at meetings in your camper trailer,doing your little "superiority dances".
You should buy some fiddles so you can play them while dancing around your burning camper.
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@LMAO
Are you REALLY so confused that you think Biden is going to be in charge of ANYTHING if he wins re-election?
Hell,he's not in charge of anything NOW.
WTH????
You think this is the war of 1812?
It's not even a war. It is a covert political uprising to steal the power from "We,the people",and place it all in the hands of a globalist empire where IF we are lucky as individuals,we MIGHT become a cog in their machine instead of slave labor.
WHY did you keep misspelling "fool"?
You and the three other guys must have a hell of a good time partying down at meetings in your camper trailer,doing your little "superiority dances".
You should buy some fiddles so you can play them while dancing around your burning camper.
Friendly advice
Before pinging me, become an adult first and try to put together a grown up response
Silly, child like responses only make you a laughingstock
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@LMAO
Re your update...
In no way does this era reflect any era that has preceded us. This is an era when Islamists are on the rise and looking to cover the earth with their caliphate at the expense of all other faiths. Borders are compromised around the globe, and nations are enduring no-go zones in their within their own borders.
Heads of state are in the process of seizing power and diminishing the liberties of their citizens. We need to look no further than our own continent and see what Biden and Trudeau are up to. Who could have expected to see what they've done in such an abbreviated span of time?
Anarchy is prevalent around the globe, enabled by the newest threat to life as we've known it -- the internet. Nothing will ever be the same since the arrival of the WWW in our lives. No other time in history had this threat looming on such a large, unmanageable scale. Our geography isn't in our favor like it has been throughout history. People are flying hither and thither around the earth, and borders are breached. Plus, the internet has no border limitations.
Add to all this the fact that God is relegated to a back burner by a large percentage of Americans and the world. We're not operating under the same conditions as before.
There is no other time in human history like this time. Therefore, I never factor in those previous scenarios you listed.
The heart of man is desperately wicked. This is the perfect storm they've been waiting for. They're not going to miss this chance.
@AllThatJazzZ
Once again,EXCELLENT POST!
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@AllThatJazzZ
BINGO!
BTW,where the HELL did the idea come from that you actually have to like a politician to vote for him or her?
When you vote,you are HIRING these people to work in the best interests of America,NOT be your "bestie for life". Or to even do anything that benefits you personally. Their job is to protect America and preserve the "America way of life".
@sneakypete
Bullshit.
I've made it bloody well clear around here, but I guess I will do it again:
I will not vote for Tumpy because I am diametrically opposed to him. He is a BANE to both fiscal conservatism and to libertarianism - The very ROOT of Conservatism. He chops at the root.
Proven.
Known.
Without any argument.
From the 'RIGHT'
And y'all want me to vote *FOR* that.
You must be out of your ever-lovin mind.
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He and his MAGAS also generously used the term “Desanctimonius” when it came to RDS
Sure they did. Anything goes.
Until they get some back.
Then they're a bunch of crybabies.
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Sure they did. Anything goes.
Until they get some back.
Then they're a bunch of crybabies.
Degrading nicknames for political figures doesn’t bother me as I see it as a way we assert ourselves over the political class. Try doing that in N Korea to Kim
But it is the height of hypocrisy to be lectured over it by people who do it themselves. MAGAs need to learn to get as well as they give
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Another long time Ron Paul supporter chimes in. I see it the way you do @AllThatJazzZ , for likely the same reasons.
Being born in the 1950s and coming of age in the 1960s, gives me a bit of a longer view of the country. This country, the civil society, and the democrat and republican parties that we remember from young adulthood and into our 30s/40s no longer exist. Governing the nation and making decisions that support the well being of the citizens is no longer a priority (or even a passing thought) for the vast majority of both parties. (Sure, there are a small handful of exceptions in the republican party, I don't know of any such exceptions in the national level of the democrat party.) In short, maintaining and seeking 'corporate' (using the generic definition of a unified body of individuals) and personal POWER is the heart of the democrat party, and any financial gains that come their way is the gravy. For republicans, maintaining and increasing 'corporate' and personal WEALTH is the heart of the republican party, and any power/influence gains that come their way is the gravy.
@art.prout
BRAVO,BRAVO,BRAVO! Please stand and take a bow!
As such, no one is going to be teaching either party a "lesson" by withholding a vote...
And then your train runs off the tracks.
What this next election about is giving "we,the people" the breathing room we need to make some VERY necessary changes in our political leadership.
IF the "legal war" against Trump is successful,America,as we all knew it growing up,regardless of the decade,is OVER. Dead and buried to never return because there will never again be another actual fair election.
To quote an expert on this issue,none other than Joseph Stalin is quoted as observing,"It doesn't matter WHO votes. What matters is who COUNTS the votes!"
I have stated this before,and I will state it again,"Trump is the ONLY chance we have of saving America because his ONLY real concern is being written about in the history books as "The President that Saved America!",and since he is the ONLY candidate that can ONLY serve ONE term,he is going to be concentrating on that from the instant he takes the oath of office until the day he leaves the WH.
No,that alone will NOT save America,but it MIGHT give us the breathing room that we need to elect someone after him who has "seen the light" and takes it from there.
It might also wake up a hell of a lot of Americans who don't bother to vote because from what I have seen and heard,there are a shocking (to me,anyhow) number of Americans who say "why bother? It's all rigged anyhow?".
Give these people a little faith that changes for the positive are coming,and we have a CHANCE of having another conservative elected as President when Trump leaves office.
Sitting at home on your ass and whining,or voting for the Easter Bunny just weakens us even further. You MUST vote for a candidate that has a chance of winning,and that is Trump. If you think I am wrong,name the candidate who can beat the Dim Machine come election day.
using the republican party as our focus, there is no longer significant mass in the party that is going to heed such a lesson, and 'do better' to ensure that a more 'conservative' electable candidate will ever appear as the republican presidential candidate. Just not going to happen in any of our lifetimes. Sorry. Getting a 'conservative' presidential candidate elected is NOT a goal or desire of the republican party.
Well,Hell,we might as well go ahead and surrender now,right,comrade?
As much as people resist (for numerous reasons, many of them quite noble) coming to grips with this simple fact, it is what it is: Donald Trump is likely the 'best' that we are going to get in our lifetimes.
I STRONGLY disagree. He IS the best we are going to get RIGHT NOW,and the ONLY chance we are going to have to survive RIGHT NOW. A Trump win gives us some breathing room and the chance to re-group and gain strength for the next election.
Voting for Trump in 2024 is pretty much a 'hail Mary' attempt at buying a bit more time...
With the implication being that we might as well go ahead and surrender to globalism now and save ourselves the grief of fighting it?
time for everyone to better prepare for what is coming, and help others do the same.
It is NOW OR NEVER. Trump either wins the upcoming election,or it is over NOW. There will be NO "TOMORROW" when it comes to America being a free and independent nation of free people.
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They will claim there was still fraud but they overcame it, like in 2016. They will never stop believing in the Great Pumpkin. Never mind that these "the election is doomed" posts just discourage people from voting in the first place.
Yeah... And in the mean time, the liberals will take over the drumbeat, claiming election fraud and burning down their shithole cities again, again, again sommore...
SOSDD... You'd think they'd catch on that somehow through it all, the check still gets signed. :whistle:
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@LMAO
Actually, the lesson is that Biden and the Dems have brought us to our knees in 3 years. Four more years will be our undoing. There was a time when I didn't fully understand the phrase "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." There are times when I'm willing to wait for perfect. This isn't one of those times.
Totally bullcrap. It has nothing to do with what you are voting *AGAINST*. That's the big lie.
Your vote, by it's definition, can only be an endorsement.
It's what you're voting *FOR*.
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I'm not gonna lie. I'm astonished that Republicans would flirt with an election that ensures our certain demise if we don't stop Biden.
So fight liberalism with liberalism... from the Right. Sometimes the cure is worse than the affliction, is that it?
HELL NO. Y'all are voting *FOR* nearly everything I stand against.
Of course I won't help you.
This is capitulation.
Living to fight another day would suppose that what one is fighting for remains. When you throw it all under the bus, a Pyrrhic victory indeed.
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CAN ANYONE HEAR ME??? IS THIS THING ON??? HELLO??
It's not hope in Donald Trump but rather fear of losing the republic under Dems. I guess I don't have the skills to get my point across, but, considering all the points I made in my previous post (this is a different time in history), I'm going to take a break from further attempts to make my point. Y'all can take a swipe at me and my lack of principle, my ignorance, my naivety, my dearth of virtue, or whatever you'd like to chalk my intransigence up to. What drives me is preserving the republic, and even under the best of circumstances, it's going to take a lot of work.
ANY action taken in fear is misguided.
Liberalism is winning not by its merit - It has no merit.
Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition.
WE are supposed to be that opposition.
But y'all are voting FOR liberalism.
From the Right.
In fear.
It makes no sense at all.
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For those of us who are ideologically conservative, it is hard for us to understand why people would vote for Trump. if you look at his record, and his current proposals, Trump would be what we call a RINO.
But not everybody in the Republican Party is conservative. There are very few people in the Republican Party who are along the lines of a Calvin Coolidge, Ron Paul, or Barry Goldwater. So I suppose it’s hard for others to understand why folks like myself would not vote for Donald Trump because he’s got the Republican label after his name.
So being an ideological conservative, I look at his record, especially when it came to Covid and tariffs, and cannot vote for more of that because I would not vote for a Democrat based on many of the same reasons I wouldn’t vote for Trump.
As we’ve seen, Trump seems to take positions not based on any principle but on whatever donors tell him. And the reason why he does that because he’s not moored to any particular ideology. That’s why he gave money to fund the campaigns of people like Kamala Harris, Harry Reid, Hilary Clinton, Chuck Schumer.
We see a few people say that he’s going to “save America” and” he’ll protect us from the globalist.” Can they name what he did as president or any of his proposals that will do that? It appears the deep state, and those same people that Trump is going to save us from gained quite a bit of power while he was president with the appointment of people like Christopher Wray and Miley
Crime is another issue. People forget that he attacked Joe Biden over the 1994 crime bill and during the 2020 campaign Trump and his supporters blasted Joe Biden for calling criminals “super predators” during the time the crime bill was debated
If I wanted Democrat policies, I should just simply vote for the Democrat
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ANY action taken in fear is misguided.
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@roamer_1
I guess that means if a woman is getting raped,or sees her child being kidnapped,it would be misguided for her to shoot the rapist/kidnapper,or to even call 911.
GOOD thinking!
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@roamer_1
I guess that means if a woman is getting raped,or sees her child being kidnapped,it would be misguided for her to shoot the rapist/kidnapper,or to even call 911.
GOOD thinking!
That doesn’t even make any sense
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@roamer_1
I guess that means if a woman is getting raped,or sees her child being kidnapped,it would be misguided for her to shoot the rapist/kidnapper,or to even call 911.
GOOD thinking!
Fear would be compliance. Like voting for a NYC liberal as a Republican president... Giving a big OK to multi-trillion dollar deficits, flying cars, federal cities, and federal abortion statutes.
That's what you're voting FOR.
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Fear would be compliance. Like voting for a NYC liberal as a Republican president... Giving a big OK to multi-trillion dollar deficits, flying cars, federal cities, and federal abortion statutes.
That's what you're voting FOR.
@roamer_1
OR,just hiding under your bed and hoping things work out.
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@roamer_1
OR,just hiding under your bed and hoping things work out.
I don't vote for liberals. Period.
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It's neither @AllThatJazzZ . If I were to imitate him, I would be assigning demeaning nicknames to everyone. Now, while I will admit to assigning some *few* demeaning nicknames, this one is a very pointed attack, on purpose, and a political gesture.
It started particularly during the '16 primary with Tumpy's fans demanding an air of respectability around their candidate at the same time Tumpy was down in the gutter against 'Lyin Ted' Cruz...
And here we are again. That's your guy. THAT's what you're voting for, and I will not let you forget it... And then dress him up in respectability, and award him the 'conservative' mantle, and all the other shit y'all will do to help you swallow that pride and go groveling and begging, back to the Republicans to get more of the same.
THAT's why he will ever be Tumpy.
And I hate peas.
@roamer_1
I see. So you're only a little naughty. Not as unbearable as Donald Trump. Much more likeable. When did you learn to grade on a curve like that? (A little leaven spoils the whole loaf. Gal. 5:9)
I must admit that I don't remember ever being exposed to this rather nasty side of you. Was I just lucky before or is it because I haven't spent a lot of time on this forum?
We agree on the peas. Blechhhh...
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He and his MAGAS also generously used the term “Desanctimonius” when it came to RDS
@LMAO
Y'all might want to back off on painting with such a broad brush. I never used that term, nor did I call any of the other candidates names.
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@roamer_1
I see. So you're only a little naughty. Not as unbearable as Donald Trump. Much more likeable. When did you learn to grade on a curve like that? (A little leaven spoils the whole loaf. Gal. 5:9)
@AllThatJazzZ
Naw. I'm an a**hole. It takes one to know one.
But I never claimed to be otherwise
And I am not running for president.
I must admit that I don't remember ever being exposed to this rather nasty side of you. Was I just lucky before or is it because I haven't spent a lot of time on this forum?
Nah. I remember you from ToS. We've always been a bit differing. And that's alright. I tend to appreciate your contributions as coming from a thoughtful stance, most always.
But I will remain unmoved wrt Tumpy, and will offer no succor.
What he represents is inordinately dangerous to Conservatism.
And it is Conservatism that I defend and will fight for.
Not Tumpy..
We agree on the peas. Blechhhh...
They're good if they're in the pod.
otherwise, tuna casserole - So that should tell you something.
Their only salvation is shepherd's pie, or chicken pot pie. Those I will devour with gusto.
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Naw. I'm an a**hole. It takes one to know one.
But I never claimed to be otherwise
And I am not running for president.
Nah. I remember you from ToS. We've always been a bit differing. And that's alright. I tend to appreciate your contributions as coming from a thoughtful stance, most always.
But I will remain unmoved wrt Tumpy, and will offer no succor.
What he represents is inordinately dangerous to Conservatism.
And it is Conservatism that I defend and will fight for.
Not Tumpy..
They're good if they're in the pod.
otherwise, tuna casserole - So that should tell you something.
Their only salvation is shepherd's pie, or chicken pot pie. Those I will devour with gusto.
@roamer_1
Pretty sure you don't. If there was someone with my same moniker, it's purely accidental.* The identity I had over there was altogether different. Gone in a ZOT. 8888crybaby
Not for me. Peas are only good in a stew or something saucy that's been cooking for hours.
*Off topic, but it might be surprising to learn that my chosen name for this board has nothing to do with my musical taste and everything to do with my dogs that have already gone to be with the Lord. There was a guy named Jazzhead that people used to get me mixed up with here at TBR. I haven't seen him in a while.
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This is yet another one of those ne'ertrumper threads that I'm not going to bother reading.
I've got better things to do than to read your gripes and moans.
However, on the chance that Mr. Trump DOES get re-elected in November (and I'm very realistic about his chances, considering the power of The Party's underground and above-ground election apparatus), I sense that his first week in office is going to result in a lot of actions taken to which even the ne'ertrumpers here will grudgingly approve...
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This is yet another one of those ne'ertrumper threads that I'm not going to bother reading.
I've got better things to do than to read your gripes and moans.
However, on the chance that Mr. Trump DOES get re-elected in November (and I'm very realistic about his chances, considering the power of The Party's underground and above-ground election apparatus), I sense that his first week in office is going to result in a lot of actions taken to which even the ne'ertrumpers here will grudgingly approve...
@Fishrrman
You should save this thread so we can revisit it if that comes to pass.
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@roamer_1
Pretty sure you don't. If there was someone with my same moniker, it's purely accidental.* The identity I had over there was altogether different. Gone in a ZOT. 8888crybaby
Really? I seem to remember you there... Or perhaps the conversion of your moniker took place in my head, discarding the old for the new... Pardon me for that. Several here know me IRL, and for the life of me, I cannot remember any by name, only by moniker. A fail-safe, perhaps from my seedier days in back alleys on the web.
Anyhow, it would have been old times. Hanging with pissant during the Duncan Hunter days, or thereafter with rabscuttle385 and his crew, albeit that my libertarian edge is in a Western sense - I remain a Reagan Conservative. Just one without a crew after pissant got the axe... So I naturally found solace with the Paulites.
*Off topic, but it might be surprising to learn that my chosen name for this board has nothing to do with my musical taste and everything to do with my dogs that have already gone to be with the Lord. There was a guy named Jazzhead that people used to get me mixed up with here at TBR. I haven't seen him in a while.
I remember that. @Jazzhead is a bit of a friend of mine (in friendly opposition perhaps, best said). I think you had it written in your sig for a while 'I am not Jazzhead', or something to that effect... And I remember that you're a Glen Campbell freak (in the nicest way happy77)..
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This is yet another one of those ne'ertrumper threads that I'm not going to bother reading.
I've got better things to do than to read your gripes and moans.
However, on the chance that Mr. Trump DOES get re-elected in November (and I'm very realistic about his chances, considering the power of The Party's underground and above-ground election apparatus), I sense that his first week in office is going to result in a lot of actions taken to which even the ne'ertrumpers here will grudgingly approve...
Printers go BRRRR.
That's what he will do.
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@LMAO
Y'all might want to back off on painting with such a broad brush. I never used that term, nor did I call any of the other candidates names.
I never said you did. And I apologize if you thought I was describing you.
But it does apply to many MAGAs
I think I need to clarify. When I use the term MAGAs, I don’t mean it as anyone who votes for Trump. I’m talking about those who have invested their emotions into him. They are the “shoot someone on 5th Ave” supporters.
They are the people who become upset when his record is critiqued and lash out. It’s those whose only argument is “ you hate him because he’s rich, orange, and rude.” These are the same people who became unhinged because other Republicans threw their hat in the ring in an OPEN GOP primary to challenge Trump for the nomination. Something that normally happens in a primary
The “I’m holding my nose and voting for him” folks are not in that category. They just feel he’d be a better choice than Biden and are voting accordingly. They wish there was a different option than Trump but they’re making what they feel is a pragmatic choice based on the choices before them. I suspect this applies to most members here who are voting for Trump. I’m too much of a conservative ideologue to do that. But I enjoy the back and forth with this type of Trump voter. We just agree to disagree. Hell, I’m currently living with a “hold my nose and vote for Trump” voter. She respects my choice and I her’s
BTW, you’re right. My wife is very intelligent wink777
And I agree with you on the peas
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@LMAO
Y'all might want to back off on painting with such a broad brush. I never used that term, nor did I call any of the other candidates names.
@AllThatJazzZ
But it is such a PERFECT fit for that backstabbing little weasel.
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This is yet another one of those ne'ertrumper threads that I'm not going to bother reading.
I've got better things to do than to read your gripes and moans.
However, on the chance that Mr. Trump DOES get re-elected in November (and I'm very realistic about his chances, considering the power of The Party's underground and above-ground election apparatus), I sense that his first week in office is going to result in a lot of actions taken to which even the ne'ertrumpers here will grudgingly approve...
@Fishrrman
Well,he couldn't be worse if he tried.
I still get brain freeze when I see these "holier than thou" losers have their little hissy-fits about Trump and claim they are more "righteous than thou" politically because they are just going to sit at home and do nothing to stop the Dims from remaining in power.
And I have ZERO doubt they will blame it on Trump voters.
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Really? I seem to remember you there... Or perhaps the conversion of your moniker took place in my head, discarding the old for the new... Pardon me for that. Several here know me IRL, and for the life of me, I cannot remember any by name, only by moniker. A fail-safe, perhaps from my seedier days in back alleys on the web.
Anyhow, it would have been old times. Hanging with pissant during the Duncan Hunter days, or thereafter with rabscuttle385 and his crew, albeit that my libertarian edge is in a Western sense - I remain a Reagan Conservative. Just one without a crew after pissant got the axe... So I naturally found solace with the Paulites.
I remember that. @Jazzhead is a bit of a friend of mine (in friendly opposition perhaps, best said). I think you had it written in your sig for a while 'I am not Jazzhead', or something to that effect... And I remember that you're a Glen Campbell freak (in the nicest way happy77)..
@roamer_1
Wow! I'm impressed at the detail you remember! Yes, I had that explanation about Jazzhead in my signature line, but not to diss him. It was to prevent everyone who replied to me from prefacing their reply with "I generally disagree with you [that is, Jazzhead], but I agree with what you [again, Jazzhead] just posted." And yes! I'm a HUGE Glen Campbell fan. That didn't happen until August 2017. The videos I found on YouTube were a gold mine for me.
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This is yet another one of those ne'ertrumper threads that I'm not going to bother reading.
I've got better things to do than to read your gripes and moans.
However, on the chance that Mr. Trump DOES get re-elected in November (and I'm very realistic about his chances, considering the power of The Party's underground and above-ground election apparatus), I sense that his first week in office is going to result in a lot of actions taken to which even the ne'ertrumpers here will grudgingly approve...
There will be no grudgingly approve
If he does something I approve, I’ll approve. Where the hell does the word “grudgingly” come in?
If he vetoes a spending bill from Congress, why would I “grudgingly approve” that? I would absolutely approve that. If there’s a pandemic and his healthcare team tries to tell him to shut down the economy, and he tells them to go to hell, I won’t “grudgingly approve” that. I’ll cheer him on.
I suspect the more likely scenario is people such as yourself will cheer everything he does, regardless of the consequences
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@AllThatJazzZ
But it is such a PERFECT fit for that backstabbing little weasel.
@sneakypete
I don't agree that he's a weasel. I would never call him that. I would be happy to vote for him when the time is right. In fact, I would've this year if things had worked out differently.
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There will be no grudgingly approve
If he does something I approve, I’ll approve. Where the hell does the word “grudgingly” come in?
That's right... All of us, to my general knowledge, have approved of and defended him from time to time.
If he vetoes a spending bill from Congress, why would I “grudgingly approve” that? I would absolutely approve that. If there’s a pandemic and his healthcare team tries to tell him to shut down the economy, and he tells them to go to hell, I won’t “grudgingly approve” that. I’ll cheer him on.
That's right too, however unlikely.
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I never said you did. And I apologize if you thought I was describing you.
But it does apply to many MAGAs
I think I need to clarify. When I use the term MAGAs, I don’t mean it as anyone who votes for Trump. I’m talking about those who have invested their emotions into him. They are the “shoot someone on 5th Ave” supporters.
They are the people who become upset when his record is critiqued and lash out. It’s those whose only argument is “ you hate him because he’s rich, orange, and rude.” These are the same people who became unhinged because other Republicans threw their hat in the ring in an OPEN GOP primary to challenge Trump for the nomination. Something that normally happens in a primary
The “I’m holding my nose and voting for him” folks are not in that category. They just feel he’d be a better choice than Biden and are voting accordingly. They wish there was a different option than Trump but they’re making what they feel is a pragmatic choice based on the choices before them. I suspect this applies to most members here who are voting for Trump. I’m too much of a conservative ideologue to do that. But I enjoy the back and forth with this type of Trump voter. We just agree to disagree. Hell, I’m currently living with a “hold my nose and vote for Trump” voter. She respects my choice and I her’s
BTW, you’re right. My wife is very intelligent wink777
And I agree with you on the peas
@LMAO
Thanks for the clarification. As I'm sure you can guess, I was never one of those 5th Avenue shooting people.
I would never, never, never ascribe a motive as to why someone believes/says/does something. Until and unless they state their reasons, I can only guess. I try to be as fair as possible with everyone until someone gives me a reason not to be. I appreciate that you understand the thinking behind my positions, even when you disagree. I'm glad you and your brilliant wife can respect one another's positions.
And finally, down with peas. Up with tacos! (visualize a delicious taco graphic here)
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@sneakypete
I don't agree that he's a weasel. I would never call him that. I would be happy to vote for him when the time is right. In fact, I would've this year if things had worked out differently.
@AllThatJazzZ
I would vote for him myself if he was the only alternative to the DNC candidate.
About the ONLY possible candidate I can think of that MIGHT be worse than Biden or any of his likely replacements would be Satan if he existed,and I am not entirely sure he would be worse.
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@AllThatJazzZ
I would vote for him myself if he was the only alternative to the DNC candidate.
About the ONLY possible candidate I can think of that MIGHT be worse than Biden or any of his likely replacements would be Satan if he existed,and I am not entirely sure he would be worse.
@sneakypete
:yowsa:
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And finally, down with peas. Up with tacos! (visualize a delicious taco graphic here)
Oh yeah... With chili or chili-fries... or Mexican street corn - a new love of mine.