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Title: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: mystery-ak on January 23, 2024, 03:26:40 pm
DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
By
Julia Johnson
January 23, 2024 8:35 am


Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) quashed hope for a bill introduced in the Florida legislature that would allow taxpayer funds to pay for former President Donald Trump’s legal expenses.

Republican Trump endorser state Sen. Ileana Garcia introduced the bill, “Grants for Victims of Political Discrimination,” which would authorize up to $5 million to be granted to a qualified person.

However, DeSantis responded to a report on the bill on Monday that detailed that “some Florida Republicans want taxpayers to pay Trump’s legal bills.”

“But not the Florida Republican who wields the veto pen,” DeSantis wrote on X.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2812109/desantis-veto-bill-pay-trump-legal-bills/
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: LMAO on January 23, 2024, 07:09:03 pm
Why should Floridians be on the hook for a billionaire’s legal bills????
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: deb on January 23, 2024, 07:15:01 pm
Why should Floridians be on the hook for a billionaire’s legal bills????

They shouldn’t be. Florida has a fiscal conservative for a governor. Wish my state did.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: libertybele on January 23, 2024, 07:15:35 pm
Why should Floridians be on the hook for a billionaire’s legal bills????

??? They shouldn't period.  I'm waiting for Trump to now start the attacks once again on DeSantis. Trump is responsible for his own legal bills.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: GtHawk on January 24, 2024, 02:53:31 am
There is one malfeasant senator that needs to go.  :pondering: I wonder how long until the usual suspect/suspects show up with their Desanctimonious Bullschtick.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: Hoodat on January 24, 2024, 02:58:46 am
Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) quashed hope for a bill introduced in the Florida legislature that would allow taxpayer funds to pay for former President Donald Trump’s legal expenses.

Good.  Not the taxpayers' job.  Only a straight-up leftwing Democrat would propose that Florida taxpayers pay the legal expenses of a billionaire.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: roamer_1 on January 24, 2024, 03:08:17 am
Good.  Not the taxpayers' job.  Only a straight-up leftwing Democrat would propose that Florida taxpayers pay the legal expenses of a billionaire.

That's right.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: LMAO on January 24, 2024, 03:12:05 am
From the article…

But not the Florida Republican who wields the veto pen,” DeSantis wrote on X.

A politician willing to wield a VETO pen

Lost any chance to have that in the WH
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: sneakypete on January 24, 2024, 03:35:43 am
??? They shouldn't period.  I'm waiting for Trump to now start the attacks once again on DeSantis. Trump is responsible for his own legal bills.

@libertybele

And here I was thinking it was your pals in the DNC responsible for the legal bills.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: sneakypete on January 24, 2024, 03:39:12 am
Good.  Not the taxpayers' job.  Only a straight-up leftwing Democrat would propose that Florida taxpayers pay the legal expenses of a billionaire.

@Hoodat

Your Class Envy is showing,bubba.

I guess you and the other DNC clones think the FACT that those legal bills are a result of your pals on the left filing bogus legal charges against him BECAUSE HE IS THE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT THAT THE LEFT FEARS THE MOST.

Good to see you people finally coming out of the closet and showing your support for the left,comrades!
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: roamer_1 on January 24, 2024, 03:51:25 am
@Hoodat

Your Class Envy is showing,bubba.

I guess you and the other DNC clones think the FACT that those legal bills are a result of your pals on the left filing bogus legal charges against him BECAUSE HE IS THE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT THAT THE LEFT FEARS THE MOST.

Good to see you people finally coming out of the closet and showing your support for the left,comrades!

@sneakypete

So what? How the hell does that make the People of Florida responsible for his legal bills?
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: Hoodat on January 24, 2024, 03:58:35 am
@Hoodat

Your Class Envy is showing,bubba.

I guess you and the other DNC clones think the FACT that those legal bills are a result of your pals on the left filing bogus legal charges against him BECAUSE HE IS THE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT THAT THE LEFT FEARS THE MOST.

Good to see you people finally coming out of the closet and showing your support for the left,comrades!

No.  I simply believe that the people of Florida should not have to pay the legal bills of some Yankee implant who hires only the most incompetent lawyers.  'Envy' never enters the picture.

But let the record show that @sneakypete believes that the taxpayers of Florida (who have zero stake in Trump's idiot legal blunders) should have to be forced to pay the legal bills of some NY billionaire.  Not even a Democrat could come up with something that outrageous.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: GtHawk on January 24, 2024, 05:01:54 am
@libertybele

And here I was thinking it was your pals in the DNC responsible for the legal bills.
(https://i.imgur.com/yEjE9UD.jpg)

And there's that bullshit right on schedule, and not addressing the question at all of why Floridians should have to pay for your billionaire buddy's legal bills, after all that's what his suckers donors are doing. Hell of a Bromance ya got going with Trump though.

When it comes to BILLIONAIRE Trump (that's not jealousy, it's a statement of fact) and his legal bills, he's a BILLIONAIRE(at least so he says) so he can pay his own damn bills and maybe since he always hires the best people  :silly:  :silly: he might maybe think about that when it it comes to his defense attorneys, because he did just as bad with them as his cabinet choices **nononono*

No when it comes to his legal bills the answer is (https://i.imgur.com/vzV08Rw.gif)

But you go right ahead and send him your money, that's your right and free choice.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: GtHawk on January 24, 2024, 05:14:22 am
@Hoodat

Your Class Envy is showing,bubba.

I guess you and the other DNC clones think the FACT that those legal bills are a result of your pals on the left filing bogus legal charges against him BECAUSE HE IS THE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT THAT THE LEFT FEARS THE MOST.

Good to see you people finally coming out of the closet and showing your support for the left,comrades!
SOSDD! Don't you have anything else in your repertoire? Childish insults and accusing anyone that doesn't genuflect at you altar of orange of being a communist? Or envious? The left may have feared Trump once, but not since they fine tuned their apparatus in 2020 and almost every day Trump says something stupid or really cringe worthy that his orange mafia ignores but drives more and more on the fence voters away.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: The_Reader_David on January 24, 2024, 01:13:31 pm
@Hoodat

Your Class Envy is showing,bubba.


One doesn't have to suffer from any class envy to regard the abomination of the tax payer paying someone's legal bills to any degree beyond the support of a public defender's office as particularly galling when the intended beneficiary is wealthy.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 24, 2024, 02:21:58 pm
Why should Floridians be on the hook for a billionaire’s legal bills????

Imagine if Democrats did something like this.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: sneakypete on January 24, 2024, 02:57:51 pm
SOSDD! Don't you have anything else in your repertoire? 

@GtHawk

The truth hurts,huh?
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: sneakypete on January 24, 2024, 02:59:09 pm
One doesn't have to suffer from any class envy to regard the abomination of the tax payer paying someone's legal bills to any degree beyond the support of a public defender's office as particularly galling when the intended beneficiary is wealthy.

@The_Reader_David

Good to see you  come out of the closet and admit your class envy,Comrade!
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: LMAO on January 24, 2024, 03:37:33 pm
@The_Reader_David

Good to see you  come out of the closet and admit your class envy,Comrade!

So it’s your position that taxpayers should be responsible for the legal fees of a billionaire

Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 24, 2024, 05:10:13 pm
Taxpayer dollars should not be going to help billionaires.

This is the type of crap George W. Bush pulled during the 2008/2009 Financial Crisis with the "Too Big To Fail" fraud.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: GtHawk on January 24, 2024, 09:21:43 pm
@GtHawk

The truth hurts,huh?
Do you ever read anything you type before hitting post? But to answer you , yes it truthfully makes my head hurt reading your childish, repetitive (https://i.imgur.com/SgUFCc1.gif)
As I said you go right ahead and bankroll (https://i.imgur.com/ojZRW3Y.jpg) that's your right but you don't get to tell others that they should or accuse them of being democrats and communists because they won't or point out that hey Orange man's a billionaire and he can pay his own bills......if he is paying his own bills not the people who think they're donating to his campaign.

When it comes to a BILLIONAIRE and his legal bills? (https://i.imgur.com/YNHH3Gf.gif)
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on January 24, 2024, 09:34:46 pm
To anyone on this thread who thinks Trump's legal bills should be paid by any taxpayer anywhere in the USA, please present your reasoned argument for your position, and kindly leave personal attacks out of that argument. I'm trying to understand, so please don't muddy it up with personal swipes and other earmarks of a flame war.

Thanks.  888high58888
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: LMAO on January 24, 2024, 11:20:28 pm
To anyone on this thread who thinks Trump's legal bills should be paid by any taxpayer anywhere in the USA, please present your reasoned argument for your position, and kindly leave personal attacks out of that argument. I'm trying to understand, so please don't muddy it up with personal swipes and other earmarks of a flame war.

Thanks.  888high58888

Not only what I like to hear the argument for why Floridians are responsible for Trump’s legal bills, but if the particular poster who doesn’t have a problem with that thinks the same should apply to Hunter and Joe Biden
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: sneakypete on January 25, 2024, 01:02:58 am
Do you ever read anything you type before hitting post? But to answer you , yes it truthfully makes my head hurt reading your childish, repetitive (https://i.imgur.com/SgUFCc1.gif)
As I said you go right ahead and bankroll (https://i.imgur.com/ojZRW3Y.jpg) that's your right but you don't get to tell others that they should or accuse them of being democrats and communists because they won't or point out that hey Orange man's a billionaire and he can pay his own bills......if he is paying his own bills not the people who think they're donating to his campaign.

When it comes to a BILLIONAIRE and his legal bills? (https://i.imgur.com/YNHH3Gf.gif)
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@GtHawk

Class envy is never pretty,OR "classy".

And Trump would have never had those legal bills if he hadn't ran for President.

Not that you care about reality.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: libertybele on January 25, 2024, 01:06:27 am
@GtHawk

Class envy is never pretty,OR "classy".

And Trump would have never had those legal bills if he hadn't ran for President.

Not that you care about reality.

You are not making any sense @sneakypete  - the bills ARE Trump's.  He decided to run and what happens as a result of that he owns.

As for the class envy crappola -it's exactly that.  Genuine crappola!

Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: roamer_1 on January 25, 2024, 01:14:19 am
@GtHawk

Class envy is never pretty,OR "classy".

And Trump would have never had those legal bills if he hadn't ran for President.

Not that you care about reality.

AGAIN, SO WHAT, @sneakypete ? How does that make the good people of Florida responsible to pay his legal bills?
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: LMAO on January 25, 2024, 01:29:02 am
AGAIN, SO WHAT, @sneakypete ? How does that make the good people of Florida responsible to pay his legal bills?

He has the strangest arguments

I don’t get what class envy has to do with forcing taxpayers to pay for the legal fees of a billionaire.

Unless he just sees the word billionaire and Trump, and it causes him anxiety


Should taxpayers give billionaires food stamps?
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: roamer_1 on January 25, 2024, 02:16:30 am
He has the strangest arguments

I don’t get what class envy has to do with forcing taxpayers to pay for the legal fees of a billionaire.


Nothing. Nothing at all. A complete and utter disconnect.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: cato potatoe on January 25, 2024, 02:21:19 am
While we’re at it, let’s force Delaware residents to pay for Hunter Biden’s prostitutes.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: LadyLiberty on January 25, 2024, 02:38:33 am
Misleading headline. The bill was so unpopular it was pulled anyway.  DeSantis didn't have to kill it.  https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-allies-florida-establish-fund-legal-battles-desantis-veto-2024-1
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: corbe on January 25, 2024, 04:03:27 am
   Trump has probably been the most litigatious person in American History, certainly Presidents, over 4,000 Lawsuits.  It's what he does, apparently old age doesn't slow him down.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: corbe on January 25, 2024, 04:40:42 am
(https://i.imgflip.com/58rjy4.jpg)
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: GtHawk on January 25, 2024, 04:55:50 am
@GtHawk

Class envy is never pretty,OR "classy".

And Trump would have never had those legal bills if he hadn't ran for President.

Not that you care about reality.
I'm not the one living in an alternate orange reality. Exactly what class envy have I exhibited, be specific. Not supporting your orange idol is not class envy, believing that American taxpayers should not be paying for your billionaire orange idols legal bills is not class envy. I am absolutely positive you just pulled another unfounded accusation out of your sphincter because you've got nothing else, but go ahead list all the times I have posted anything envious about the orange one, I'll wait (https://i.imgur.com/ro3ZYXp.gif)
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: sneakypete on January 25, 2024, 10:49:33 am
You are not making any sense @sneakypete  - the bills ARE Trump's.  He decided to run and what happens as a result of that he owns.

As for the class envy crappola -it's exactly that.  Genuine crappola!

@libertybele

You just keep telling yourself that. Maybe one day  you  will even come to believe it yourself.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: sneakypete on January 25, 2024, 10:53:02 am
I'm not the one living in an alternate orange reality. Exactly what class envy have I exhibited, be specific. Not supporting your orange idol is not class envy, believing that American taxpayers should not be paying for your billionaire orange idols legal bills is not class envy. I am absolutely positive you just pulled another unfounded accusation out of your sphincter because you've got nothing else, but go ahead list all the times I have posted anything envious about the orange one, I'll wait (https://i.imgur.com/ro3ZYXp.gif)

@GtHawk

Read the above post.

As  for posting  all of  your envious and jealous BS,I have a life to live that is NOT controlled by you.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: LMAO on January 25, 2024, 01:03:10 pm
Let the record show that @sneakypete believes taxpayers should pay the legal fees of the rich

Gotta love his “debate” style. Makes judgments and accusations and then tells others they need to prove his case. When he does that, it’s best to just ignore him as it’s just his way of lashing out when the object of his affection(Trump) is under attack
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: sneakypete on January 25, 2024, 01:52:38 pm
Let the record show that @sneakypete believes taxpayers should pay the legal fees of the rich

Gotta love his “debate” style. Makes judgments and accusations and then tells others they need to prove his case. When he does that, it’s best to just ignore him as it’s just his way of lashing out when the object of his affection(Trump) is under attack

@LMAO

Let the record state that  you are not only delusional,you are as full of  Biden as a  Christmas goose.

The ONLY reason Trump is facing all these charges is BECAUSE he is running for President and is a threat to the professional left,as well as to jealous,petty,insecure losers like yourself.

I guess YOU prefer a system where ANY political candidate that runs for public office and is then bombarded with bogus legal charges would be REQUIRED to pay all their legal fees out of pocket?

Or is it just the wealthy that you want to see punished BECAUSE they are wealthy,Comrade?

Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: LMAO on January 25, 2024, 02:03:04 pm
@LMAO

Let the record state that  you are not only delusional,you are as full of  Biden as a  Christmas goose.

The ONLY reason Trump is facing all these charges is BECAUSE he is running for President and is a threat to the professional left,as well as to jealous,petty,insecure losers like yourself.

I guess YOU prefer a system where ANY political candidate that runs for public office and is then bombarded with bogus legal charges would be REQUIRED to pay all their legal fees out of pocket?

Or is it just the wealthy that you want to see punished BECAUSE they are wealthy,Comrade?



First, you tell me that I’m full of shit. Then everything you posted after that confirmed my assessment of your position… Lol. Then his las sentence he attempts an argument I never made


But I’ll tell you what. Since you feel so strongly about this  that, yes, taxpayers should pay for billionaires legal fees, why don’t you give up a good portion of your veterans benefits to help him

 Don’t demand that other taxpayers pay for things you believe in. Show us that you’re consistent.

The bill was so unpopular it didn’t even make it to Ron DeSantis’s desk.


I have a hunch that your position on this doesn’t apply to the Biden’s. It’s just that your personal affection for Donald Trump is clouding your judgment.

Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: LMAO on January 25, 2024, 02:23:56 pm
SP responses is exactly why this type of legislation is a very bad idea

If Donald Trump is cleared of the charges, and it was found that those charging him engaged in legal malpractice, he should be reimbursed for his legal fees that he had to spend

But that’s not what this bill is. There are people who think the charges against both Joe and Hunter Biden are bogus and politically motivated. So the people in Florida under that bill would also have to pay any legal fees of any politician that is charged just because somebody comes up with the subjective idea that the charges are bogus before there’s even really been a trial


Love of a politician should not cloud judgment, nor should it be a licensed to set bad precedent
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: unite for individuality on January 25, 2024, 04:04:07 pm
Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) quashed hope for a bill introduced in the Florida legislature that would allow taxpayer funds to pay for former President Donald Trump’s legal expenses.

Republican Trump endorser state Sen. Ileana Garcia introduced the bill, “Grants for Victims of Political Discrimination,” which would authorize up to $5 million to be granted to a qualified person.


Actual justice would be to make the "Democrat" political hack prosecutors
PERSONALLY LIABLE for all of the legal expenses they are inflicting on Trump
with their MALICIOUS PROSECUTIONS!

They are abusing their power, delegated to them by the voters,
spending PUBLIC money, ILLEGALLY attacking an innocent person
with FABRICATED charges!

THE PROSECUTION IS THE CRIME!
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: roamer_1 on January 25, 2024, 07:23:42 pm
The ONLY reason Trump is facing all these charges is BECAUSE he is running for President and is a threat to the professional left,as well as to jealous,petty,insecure losers like yourself.

I guess YOU prefer a system where ANY political candidate that runs for public office and is then bombarded with bogus legal charges would be REQUIRED to pay all their legal fees out of pocket?

Or is it just the wealthy that you want to see punished BECAUSE they are wealthy,Comrade?

You have failed AGAIN (yet) to explain how that makes the People of Florida responsible for his legal fees.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: roamer_1 on January 25, 2024, 07:27:46 pm

Actual justice would be to make the "Democrat" political hack prosecutors
PERSONALLY LIABLE for all of the legal expenses they are inflicting on Trump
with their MALICIOUS PROSECUTIONS!

They are abusing their power, delegated to them by the voters,
spending PUBLIC money, ILLEGALLY attacking an innocent person
with FABRICATED charges!

THE PROSECUTION IS THE CRIME!


Then he"ll have plenty of evidence for a civil suit. That's how this is done. That's what will stop it in the future. That's what will hurt so damn bad they'll never do it again.

But making the People of Florida pay for his defense is damnwell  wrong. Flat wrong.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: GtHawk on January 25, 2024, 11:01:50 pm
@GtHawk

Read the above post.

As  for posting  all of  your envious and jealous BS,I have a life to live that is NOT controlled by you.
Are you off your meds? How or when did I ever try to control you? If anyone is trying to control others it's you with your constant abuse and name calling of anyone that doesn't follow your lead and genuflect at the altar of orange. Thanks but no thanks back to ignore you go and my life will be better for it, too bad though because other than you orange obsession I enjoyed your comments on other issues. OH Well....adios amigo  :seeya:
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: sneakypete on January 25, 2024, 11:09:24 pm


First, you tell me that I’m full of shit. Then everything you posted after that confirmed my assessment of your position… Lol. Then his las sentence he attempts an argument I never made


But I’ll tell you what. Since you feel so strongly about this  that, yes, taxpayers should pay for billionaires legal fees, why don’t you give up a good portion of your veterans benefits to help him

 Don’t demand that other taxpayers pay for things you believe in. Show us that you’re consistent.

The bill was so unpopular it didn’t even make it to Ron DeSantis’s desk.


I have a hunch that your position on this doesn’t apply to the Biden’s. It’s just that your personal affection for Donald Trump is clouding your judgment.

@LMAO

I am going to quit responding to most of the knee-jerk comments about Trump that are posted by jerks,but the FACT is that Trump is facing paying his own legal bills because unlike Biden,HE does NOT hold public office. If he WERE holding down an elected position with  the federal government,there would be teams of goobernment lawyers working for him free of charge to him.

Which is NOT the same thing as "free"  because they would be billing the government.

Reverse class warfare is no prettier than class warfare.

The FACT is you hate Trump because he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth,period.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: sneakypete on January 25, 2024, 11:15:54 pm
SP responses is exactly why this type of legislation is a very bad idea

If Donald Trump is cleared of the charges, and it was found that those charging him engaged in legal malpractice, he should be reimbursed for his legal fees that he had to spend


@LMAO

Uhhhhh,if the feral gooberment was paying his legal fees and he is cleared,the feral gooberment should be reimbursed for the time and money they spent to defend him.

This isn't all that complex,and I honestly can't figure out why it puzzles so many of you.

But that’s not what this bill is. There are people who think the charges against both Joe and Hunter Biden are bogus and politically motivated. So the people in Florida under that bill would also have to pay any legal fees of any politician that is charged just because somebody comes up with the subjective idea that the charges are bogus before there’s even really been a trial


Blah,blah,BullBush,blah.

IF there are any  criminal charges filed against Slow Joe (NOT Hunter because he is not holding a gooberment office),AND Slow Joe was found to be innocent by a court,the alleged Justice Dept is obligated to file charges against the people who took Slow Joe to court and accused him of committing crimes while in office.

This really ain't all that complex to people who aren't blinded by jealousy.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: libertybele on January 25, 2024, 11:18:19 pm
@LMAO

I am going to quit responding to most of the knee-jerk comments about Trump that are posted by jerks,but the FACT is that Trump is facing paying his own legal bills because unlike Biden,HE does NOT hold public office. If he WERE holding down an elected position with  the federal government,there would be teams of goobernment lawyers working for him free of charge to him.

Which is NOT the same thing as "free"  because they would be billing the government.

Reverse class warfare is no prettier than class warfare.

The FACT is you hate Trump because he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth,period.

@sneakypete do you expect the State government to pay your legal bills??

You are correct in the fact that Trump does not hold public office.  Therefore, he is NOT entitled for a state to pay for his legal bills. That's on him. He owes the money.  Not the people of any state!

You're repeated rhetoric and talking points of Trump are very tiring.  :seeya:
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: sneakypete on January 25, 2024, 11:22:56 pm

Actual justice would be to make the "Democrat" political hack prosecutors
PERSONALLY LIABLE for all of the legal expenses they are inflicting on Trump
with their MALICIOUS PROSECUTIONS!


@unite for individuality

BINGO!

Quote
THE PROSECUTION IS THE CRIME!

It would be several crimes,one of which would be slander,and the lawyers (EVEN  Government lawyers) would normally take the accuser/accusers to court and file something like "malicious prosecution" charges against the accusers if the evidence was strong enough,and if not,they would still file charges to get the accussers to reimburse the government for the legal representatives of the falsely accused.

NO LAWYER works for free. Not  even gooberment  lawyers.
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Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: sneakypete on January 25, 2024, 11:23:43 pm
You have failed AGAIN (yet) to explain how that makes the People of Florida responsible for his legal fees.

@roamer_1

Why would I,when I never made that claim?
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: sneakypete on January 25, 2024, 11:26:19 pm
Then he"ll have plenty of evidence for a civil suit. That's how this is done. That's what will stop it in the future. That's what will hurt so damn bad they'll never do it again.

But making the People of Florida pay for his defense is damnwell  wrong. Flat wrong.

@roamer_1

Yes,it is,and that is one reason Florida will be re-imbursed for the legal hours they spent defending him against bogus charges.

And if they don't,it's nobody's fault but their own.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: LMAO on January 25, 2024, 11:37:38 pm
@roamer_1

Yes,it is,and that is one reason Florida will be re-imbursed for the legal hours they spent defending him against bogus charges.

And if they don't,it's nobody's fault but their own.

This doesn't make sense

If the state of Florida doesn't agree to use tax payer funds for Trump's defense, it's their fault?? The state of Florida isn't defending Trump. That isn't their job. Who is going to reimburse Florida for a non existent defense ?????

Seriously, do you ever proofread your posts before you press the "Post" button
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: corbe on January 25, 2024, 11:45:09 pm
   I give him a B- for effort especially after Ronna cut him off, after he declared.
   He's got that Grifter $hit down real good.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: roamer_1 on January 26, 2024, 12:03:50 am
@roamer_1

Why would I,when I never made that claim?

Of course you have @sneakypete - that's the whole point of the OP., that a bill was defeated that would have made the state of Florida pay Tumpy's legal bills, and that's what you've been defending, while everyone else on this thread has been saying it's good it was defeated - that the People of Florida should not be liable for Tumpy's legal bills... That's been the argument all the way along.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: unite for individuality on January 30, 2024, 10:41:40 pm
The bill in Florida that's being discussed is not going anywhere,
so the entire question is kind of a dead issue.

I would like to talk about prosecutions in general.
If a defendant is low income,
a public defender is assigned to the case - at taxpayer expense.

If a defendant is not low income, they have to pay for their own defense.
And when the prosecution is done in malice,
even when the defendant is not guilty,
they have still been forced to pay a penalty for a crime they did not do.

The process is the punishment.

I've suspected for a long time that
some prosecutions are done as an extortion racket,
forcing innocent defendants to
hire the services of a proscutor's fellow lawyers.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: roamer_1 on January 31, 2024, 05:47:27 am
The bill in Florida that's being discussed is not going anywhere,
so the entire question is kind of a dead issue.

I would like to talk about prosecutions in general.
If a defendant is low income,
a public defender is assigned to the case - at taxpayer expense.

If a defendant is not low income, they have to pay for their own defense.
And when the prosecution is done in malice,
even when the defendant is not guilty,
they have still been forced to pay a penalty for a crime they did not do.

The process is the punishment.

I've suspected for a long time that
some prosecutions are done as an extortion racket,
forcing innocent defendants to
hire the services of a proscutor's fellow lawyers.


Except that a wealthy innocent defendant treated thusly, has whole realms of counter-suit opened up to them upon the unrighteous rendering of a guilty verdict. That's where your rending of garments falls far short.
Y'all act as though this is the first tie any of this happened.
Title: Re: DeSantis kills bill helping Trump day after endorsing former rival
Post by: Hoodat on January 31, 2024, 03:34:37 pm
If only we could have Grover Cleveland back in the White House:


On June 5, 1888, President Grover Cleveland vetoes a bill that would have given a pension to war widow Johanna Loewinger, whose husband died 14 years after being discharged from the army.

Mr. Loewinger served in the Civil War, enlisting on June 28, 1861. He was discharged a little less than a year later for what the army surgeon’s certificate called chronic diarrhea. He received his pension until his death in 1876. After his death, his widow, Johanna, applied for a widow’s pension, but was denied since her husband died from suicide by cutting his throat with a razor and not from any long-term disability caused by his military service. Johanna claimed her husband had suffered from insanity triggered by his military service and felt entitled to the benefits.

After failing to get the pension through military channels, Johanna appealed to a member of Congress to petition the president with the bill asking that her request for a pension be granted. After reviewing the matter, Cleveland declared all previous inquests into the former soldier’s unfortunate death to be satisfactory and vetoed the bill.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cleveland-denies-widow-her-husbands-military-pension



In this example, DeSantis is Cleveland.  And Trump supporters are the ones asking Congress to break the rules and use taxpayer money to pay out a benefit to someone outside of the law.