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Climate Change / Re: Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours
« Last post by banddag on Today at 03:32:54 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on Today at 03:22:22 am
The point made was that lithium mining is both highly exploitive of third world workers and also environmentally damaging.  And solid state batteries do nothing to reduce that.

Lithium is not produced in third world countries. Australia and Chile produce 76% of the world daily needs and the rest is from Argentina, Bolivia, China and Canada.
The new SS batteries use a very small amount of lithium.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-the-worlds-largest-lithium-producers/

The ev indsutry changes and improves every year
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Climate Change / Re: Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours
« Last post by Hoodat on Today at 03:22:22 am »
Quote from: banddag on Today at 03:17:31 am
Some but isn't the  lithium a metal  anode instead of Gell Lithium -the type that catches fire in regular lithium batteries?

Yes it is.  But it's still lithium.  The point made was that lithium mining is both highly exploitive of third world workers and also environmentally damaging.  And solid state batteries do nothing to reduce that.
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Climate Change / Re: Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours
« Last post by banddag on Today at 03:17:31 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on Today at 03:12:33 am
That would be Factorial Energy.  They still use lithium in their solid state batteries.



Some but isn't the  lithium a metal  anode instead of Gell Lithium -the type that catches fire in regular lithium batteries?
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Climate Change / Re: Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours
« Last post by Hoodat on Today at 03:15:11 am »
Quote from: banddag on Today at 03:09:18 am

This is why you need to do research from all sources and not just wingnut sites that would find fault even if biden told every family it was a new law to buy an AR-15  and he is going to eliminate all federal IRS taxes.

I did research just before posting that.  https://minesafety.wv.gov/historical-statistical-data/production-of-coal-and-coke-1863-2013/

Now, lets examine your site.  First this chart:



A typical example of non-rational persuasion.  Notice the downward trend, purposed to give visual reinforcement to the claim made.  Except that downward trend happened under Obama, not Trump.  Once Trump took over, coal jobs stabilized up until Covid when everyone was forced out of work.  And notice also that this chart is nationwide, and not specific to West Virginia which was your original claim.  So maybe you should give your left wing sites a bit more scrutiny before pushing such nonsensical propaganda.



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Climate Change / Re: Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours
« Last post by Hoodat on Today at 03:12:33 am »
Quote from: banddag on Today at 02:57:09 am
The largest Ev solid state battery plant in the world was just built in Massachusetts

That would be Factorial Energy.  They still use lithium in their solid state batteries.



https://factorialenergy.com/technology/
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Climate Change / Re: Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours
« Last post by banddag on Today at 03:09:18 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on Today at 02:40:14 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



This is why you need to do research from all sources and not just wingnut sites that would find fault even if biden told every family it was a new law to buy an AR-15  and he is going to eliminate all federal IRS taxes.

Coal is booming under biden-exported to India and China. W.Va mines are shutting down because they cannot find enough miners.


Coal jobs dropped under Trump.
https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/latest-news-headlines/us-coal-jobs-down-24-from-the-start-of-trump-administration-to-latest-quarter-61386963


Under biden

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/us-thermal-coal-exports-hit-5-year-highs-top-5-billion-2023-2024-02-01/
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Climate Change / Re: Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours
« Last post by banddag on Today at 03:01:33 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on Today at 02:43:47 am


And here's how all that cobalt is mined:



Personally, I'd rather drive a car that was fueled with petroleum products derived from a mine with a much smaller environmental footprint than a lithium mine, and that wasn't built with the fruits of child slave labor - African child slave labor, at that.  But then, I'm not a liberal.

1. Lithium is not mined in Africa. 90% of Teslas lithium comes from Australia.

2. China and Africa just signed a pact to stop using child labor in the cobalt mines.

3. You do know Cobalt is used in every single battery powered item in your house? Computers, tv's, cell phones, ice cars, smoke detectors and your wifes 12" mandingo vibrator powered by 4 d cells.
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Climate Change / Re: Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours
« Last post by Hoodat on Today at 03:00:12 am »
As leftist idiot keep pushing battery subsidies in the US, Toyota is selling these cars starting at $50K.

They use hydrogen as a battery.

https://www.toyota.com/mirai/
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Climate Change / Re: Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours
« Last post by banddag on Today at 02:57:09 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on Today at 02:38:56 am
Leach fields in just one lithium mine:



As the accompanying article states:  "Although pretty from a distance, lithium mines are environmentally damaging and use a lot water and energy."


But hey, it's not coming out of a tailpipe on the EV, so it must be "environmentally friendly".

"F**king idiot" is a perfectly sober sobriquet for the sort that believes that nonsense.


You do know almost all the Ev co's are going to solid state batteries- Toyota, Nissan, Ford, BMW, Kia which uses no lithium. . Tesla is still  sticking with lithium for now. The largest Ev solid state battery plant in the world was just built in Massachusetts, another one is being built in KY by Ford, BMW and Kia who are going into together.
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Climate Change / Re: Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours
« Last post by Hoodat on Today at 02:56:37 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on Today at 02:43:47 am
Then there's the cobalt.  An EV typically needs 6 to 12 kg of the stuff - source:  https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/what-is-cobalt-used-for-in-elecrtic-cars#gref

And here's how all that cobalt is mined:

Personally, I'd rather drive a car that was fueled with petroleum products derived from a mine with a much smaller environmental footprint than a lithium mine, and that wasn't built with the fruits of child slave labor - African child slave labor, at that.  But then, I'm not a liberal.

Not to mention that hydrogen tanks can be built from composites that cost pennies of what batteries cost.  And they don't require child labor from third world countries either, not to mention the environmental impact.  But liberals would rather spend your tax money on helping Chinese battery manufacturers make money instead of making electric cars viable by using hydrogen to store electricity instead.  Idiots.
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