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Title: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: ABX on September 04, 2016, 08:03:20 pm
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The concept of a parallel universe is well-trodden territory in science fiction (See: The CW’s Flash for a recent example), but scientists might’ve just spotted some legitimate proof of the multiverse — and it looks like it’s leaking into ours.

As Inverse reports, the Planck telescope has been mapping the cosmic microwave background (CMB) leftover from the early days of the universe. Turns out, it might’ve found something of cosmic importance. Caltech cosmologist Ranga-Ram Chary compared the CMB map with a shot of the night sky captured by the Planck telescope. The effort spotted a patch of light 4,500 times brighter than it should be.


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Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: andy58-in-nh on September 04, 2016, 08:13:28 pm
If Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are considered as leaders in the alternative universe, that would explain a lot.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: GtHawk on September 04, 2016, 08:37:33 pm
Quick someone call Buckaroo Banzai and his band of men, the Hong Kong Cavaliers, they have experience with other dimensions, maybe they can stop this other universe from taking a leak on us.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 04, 2016, 08:39:20 pm
Quick someone call Buckaroo Banzai and his band of men, the Hong Kong Cavaliers, they have experience with other dimensions, maybe they can stop this other universe from taking a leak on us.
Maybe they can take Michelle Bigbootie and the skinny guy back with them, too.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: GtHawk on September 04, 2016, 08:43:09 pm
Maybe they can take Michelle Bigbootie and the skinny guy back with them, too.
It's Big Bootay, BIG BOOOTAAAY !
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 04, 2016, 08:45:17 pm
It's Big Bootay, BIG BOOOTAAAY !
:silly:
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Oceander on September 04, 2016, 10:46:55 pm
If Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are considered as leaders in the alternative universe, that would explain a lot.

Bizarro world

(http://drlenhardt.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bizzaro-world.jpg)

Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: r9etb on September 04, 2016, 11:03:54 pm
If Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are considered as leaders in the alternative universe, that would explain a lot.

:silly:
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: bigheadfred on September 05, 2016, 04:40:56 am


Yep. Open those portals CERN. Do you know what the key to the bottomless pit is AbaraXas? Does anyone know?

Hey! I've got a really good idea. Let's hit the God particle with everything we've got and see if we can break it. What's the harm?

Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: LateForLunch on September 09, 2016, 07:57:46 pm
Yep. Open those portals CERN. Do you know what the key to the bottomless pit is AbaraXas? Does anyone know?

Hey! I've got a really good idea. Let's hit the God particle with everything we've got and see if we can break it. What's the harm?

That's actually not funny. I am no great fan of Carl Sagan's politics, but he had an interesting solution to the Fermi Paradox (The question; If there should be other sentient technological civilizations out there capable of communicating across interstellar space, why haven't we heard from them?) Sagan's answer was what he called the Shiny Red Button hypothesis. That is, every technological civilization that enters a high-tech age (of computers, sub-atomic, high energy / quantum physics) encounter some avenue of research and experimentation that is too irresistible to ignore - so they can never avoid tinkering with it - bringing catastrophic results for their race.

One candidate for that may be the remaining mysterious force, Gravity. When we detonated the first atomic bombs, there was  roughly a 3% chance calculated that the blast would ignite the oxygen in the atmosphere causing a catastrophic event that would destroy Humanity. The physicists and politicians figured that risk was smaller than that of allowing the Axis to potentially win the war, so they went ahead with detonation and the rest is history.

We know a lot less about the force of gravity in a quantum sense than we did about sub-atomic nuclei in 1945, yet we continue to study and experiment with gravity and there have been successful experiments (with more planned) to tweak gravity using massive EM fields and other exotic techniques to generate modifications to gravity waves.

The Sun is held in stasis by gravity. If it were to have the gravity along the surface weakened by only 1/1000 th of 1% over an area of a single square mile, it is likely that it would explode and destroy the entire inner solar system including Earth. There is risk involved in tinkering around with elementary forces like Gravity that are not fully understood.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: bigheadfred on September 10, 2016, 12:26:11 am
That's actually not funny..

That actually wasn't meant to be funny. Too few truly comprehend what you posted.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 10, 2016, 12:35:14 am
That actually wasn't meant to be funny. Too few truly comprehend what you posted.
Well, I got it.

I was nearly kicked out of a college physics class for asking (after class was over) about the velocity of gravity. (If E=mc^2, then the mass of a star changes as it releases energy, so the gravitational force exerted by the star would be reduced as well. How long would it take for that change to be felt at a distant point in space? the answer was "It would be instantaneous", to which I mused "But that would make gravity faster than light." The reply: "Bring this up again and I will flunk you, no matter what grade you have." I had a high B, and needed to maintain GPA to keep my NSF grant going...

Relatively small peturbations in the fabric of a star might not cause explosion, but the CME could be a game-ender.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: bigheadfred on September 10, 2016, 02:25:49 am
... the CME could be a game-ender.

There is probably a good reason parents tell their kids to get out of the road.  Or you could duck. (Ha! Missed me.)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/e7jg2e.jpg)
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 10, 2016, 03:17:26 am
There is probably a good reason parents tell their kids to get out of the road.  Or you could duck. (Ha! Missed me.)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/e7jg2e.jpg)
Oh, look! Twins! they have the cutest little eyes, all eight of them...
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Free Vulcan on September 10, 2016, 04:27:33 am
Yep. Open those portals CERN. Do you know what the key to the bottomless pit is AbaraXas? Does anyone know?

Hey! I've got a really good idea. Let's hit the God particle with everything we've got and see if we can break it. What's the harm?

I see you've heard about CERN too.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: MajorClay on September 10, 2016, 04:01:37 pm
Proof of our universe leaking into theirs is the missing sock in the dryer.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Gefn on September 10, 2016, 04:16:44 pm
That actually wasn't meant to be funny. Too few truly comprehend what you posted.


I got it. And I thank you all for posting this fascinating story.

I almost missed it. Wish we had an astronomy ping.


@Hopalong Ginsberg  check out this article!!!!!!
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: bigheadfred on September 10, 2016, 04:19:14 pm
Proof of our universe leaking into theirs is the missing sock in the dryer.

@Smokin Joe @Free Vulcan

And here I always thought that missing sock was something I had to give up for lint.   :silly:
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Gefn on September 10, 2016, 04:25:49 pm
@Smokin Joe @Free Vulcan

And here I always thought that missing sock was something I had to give up for lint.   :silly:

@bigheadfred
I can't find a "bravo" emoji, so here's the next best thing.  :beer:
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 10, 2016, 04:32:56 pm
Proof of our universe leaking into theirs is the missing sock in the dryer.
I wonder how many philanderers are going to blame the stray articles of women's underthings found in the odd spot in the vehicle on leakage from a parallel universe now that the topic has been breached?

"Honest, Maude, there was this big light in the sky, and just as I was passing inspiration point the engine conked out and the windows fogged over and I got this funny tingling all over....Next thing I knew, I was driving down the highway..."

uh huh.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 10, 2016, 04:33:43 pm
@Smokin Joe @Free Vulcan

And here I always thought that missing sock was something I had to give up for lint.   :silly:
That's so bad it's good. Touche!
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: HonestJohn on September 11, 2016, 03:32:16 am
Well, I got it.

I was nearly kicked out of a college physics class for asking (after class was over) about the velocity of gravity. (If E=mc^2, then the mass of a star changes as it releases energy, so the gravitational force exerted by the star would be reduced as well. How long would it take for that change to be felt at a distant point in space? the answer was "It would be instantaneous", to which I mused "But that would make gravity faster than light." The reply: "Bring this up again and I will flunk you, no matter what grade you have." I had a high B, and needed to maintain GPA to keep my NSF grant going...

Relatively small peturbations in the fabric of a star might not cause explosion, but the CME could be a game-ender.

The quick and dirty is that changes in gravity will affect things faster than light.  For it isn't light... which travels through space.  What gravity does is effect the spacetime continuum itself (the medium through which light travels).
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Oceander on September 11, 2016, 03:53:01 am
Changes in gravity cannot propagate faster than light.  If they could, then gravitational waves could be used for superluminal communication, which would, I believe, raise a number of ugly paradoxes.

Also, while light moves through space, it does so in much the way that other physical bodies do; space is not a "medium" for light the way, for example, that air or water are a medium for sound.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: HonestJohn on September 11, 2016, 04:05:41 am
Changes in gravity cannot propagate faster than light.  If they could, then gravitational waves could be used for superluminal communication, which would, I believe, raise a number of ugly paradoxes.

Also, while light moves through space, it does so in much the way that other physical bodies do; space is not a "medium" for light the way, for example, that air or water are a medium for sound.

Yes, gravity could be used to communicate faster than light if we could find a way to do so.

That was actually part of the story to Interstellar.  How Cooper could communicate with Murph via the manipulation of gravity while he was in the middle of the black hole.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Oceander on September 11, 2016, 04:12:41 am
Yes, gravity could be used to communicate faster than light if we could find a way to do so.

That was actually part of the story to Interstellar.  How Cooper could communicate with Murph via the manipulation of gravity while he was in the middle of the black hole.

Gravitational changes cannot propagate faster than light.  The speed of light is a structural component of the space time continuum.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 11, 2016, 04:28:22 am
Changes in gravity cannot propagate faster than light.  If they could, then gravitational waves could be used for superluminal communication, which would, I believe, raise a number of ugly paradoxes.

Also, while light moves through space, it does so in much the way that other physical bodies do; space is not a "medium" for light the way, for example, that air or water are a medium for sound.
Now you're getting back to Huygens v. Newton: Is light composed of corpuscles (photons) or is it a waveform?

If gravity is a waveform, it should be able to be polarized, cross polarized (partially to completely cancelled out), focused, or dispersed. Wrap your head around the possibilities if you haven't already. Zero-g manufacturing on planet. The ability to explore huge planets (so long as heat wasn't a problem). The ability to lift to orbit any payload after overcoming the inertia of the mass involved. The ability to focus the gravity of a distant star on a ship and pull it through space....etc.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: HonestJohn on September 11, 2016, 04:34:35 am
Gravitational changes cannot propagate faster than light.  The speed of light is a structural component of the space time continuum.

I looked it up.  You are right.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: bigheadfred on September 11, 2016, 04:39:02 am
Gravitational changes cannot propagate faster than light.  The speed of light is a structural component of the space time continuum.
@HonestJohn

It is going to be quantum information sharing.

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Spin systems, with their finite-dimensional Hilbert spaces, are ideal for studying the dynamics of entangled states. For the purpose of teleportation and other quantum protocols, maximally entangled channels provide quantum information transfer with very high fidelity; hence it is imperative that one should quantify the entanglement of a particular system or channel

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiZtvDcu4bPAhVIHGMKHUZxAZcQFghhMAc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fiopscience.iop.org%2Farticle%2F10.1088%2F1367-2630%2F15%2F1%2F013047%2Fmeta&usg=AFQjCNEQpb4nRDRmU9fgWCVmaPoTzVYlmA (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiZtvDcu4bPAhVIHGMKHUZxAZcQFghhMAc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fiopscience.iop.org%2Farticle%2F10.1088%2F1367-2630%2F15%2F1%2F013047%2Fmeta&usg=AFQjCNEQpb4nRDRmU9fgWCVmaPoTzVYlmA)

I don't pretend to understand it all but it makes for some interesting reading.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: bigheadfred on September 11, 2016, 04:43:33 am
Now you're getting back to Huygens v. Newton: Is light composed of corpuscles (photons) or is it a waveform?

 The ability to focus the gravity of a distant star on a ship and pull it through space....etc.

Or a black hole. The rate they are finding brown dwarfs, etc. space is probably so littered with free range objects you would have to leave space to go through it.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 11, 2016, 04:51:40 am
Or a black hole. The rate they are finding brown dwarfs, etc. space is probably so littered with free range objects you would have to leave space to go through it.
They will get it figured out. They've just been busy looking at the shiny things.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Gefn on September 11, 2016, 10:13:55 am
They will get it figured out. They've just been busy looking at the shiny things.

Ah, like a cat. Always confused by the shiny thing.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Oceander on September 11, 2016, 05:45:32 pm
I looked it up.  You are right.

Shhh, don't tell my wife!!
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: LateForLunch on September 13, 2016, 07:33:30 pm
Yes, gravity could be used to communicate faster than light if we could find a way to do so.

That was actually part of the story to Interstellar.  How Cooper could communicate with Murph via the manipulation of gravity while he was in the middle of the black hole.

Excellent post. The concept of this sort of communication first came to my own awareness in reading Ursula K Leguin's SF writing. Her "Ecumenical" novels (Left Hand of Darkness, Word for World is Forest, The Wind's Twelve Quarters" et al) propose that there is a sub-ether in the fabric of space which could allow one to communicate across space over great distances instantaneously, but not to transport material objects faster-than light.

SF author Gene Wolfe also postulates that strange things can happen to spacetime when massive acceleration or massive energy are applied to small regions using very precise mirrors (taking the concept of laser amplification into the trans-dimensional realm) in his Urth of the New Sun novels (aka The Severian Series). His novels are also full of conservative themes, the latter series being very analogous to the life of Christ in some interpretations.   
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 13, 2016, 08:47:34 pm
Excellent post. The concept of this sort of communication first came to my own awareness in reading Ursula K Leguin's SF writing. Her "Ecumenical" novels (Left Hand of Darkness, Word for World is Forest, The Wind's Twelve Quarters" et al) propose that there is a sub-ether in the fabric of space which could allow one to communicate across space over great distances instantaneously, but not to transport material objects faster-than light.

SF author Gene Wolfe also postulates that strange things can happen to spacetime when massive acceleration or massive energy are applied to small regions using very precise mirrors (taking the concept of laser amplification into the trans-dimensional realm) in his Urth of the New Sun novels (aka The Severian Series). His novels are also full of conservative themes, the latter series being very analogous to the life of Christ in some interpretations.
Also James Blish (Cities in Flight) had Dirac Transmitters...First used in his story Beep from 1954.
Source: (Lots more fun stuff there, too)
http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=844 (http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=844)
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: LateForLunch on September 14, 2016, 02:41:24 pm
Also James Blish (Cities in Flight) had Dirac Transmitters...First used in his story Beep from 1954.
Source: (Lots more fun stuff there, too)
http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=844 (http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=844)

Kewl!! Thanks!! And while we're all on the topic of speculative fiction and going beyond our universe, there is the classic by Azimov, "The Gods Themselves," in which a "pump" is created that brings "free" energy into our universe from another but which has hidden dangers that are not detectable on our side.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 14, 2016, 03:42:04 pm
Kewl!! Thanks!! And while we're all on the topic of speculative fiction and going beyond our universe, there is the classic by Azimov, "The Gods Themselves," in which a "pump" is created that brings "free" energy into our universe from another but which has hidden dangers that are not detectable on our side.
Asimov was great! I got to hear him speak in Virginia when I was in college. A brilliant man and a prolific writer (and, with Heinlein, Bradbury, Verne, Wells, and a couple of others, the folks who really got me into science fiction and science). Being a space age brat (Born not long before Sputnik, and following the development of the Space Program as we grew up) didn't hurt.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Oceander on September 16, 2016, 01:48:11 pm
I'm not sure I like the idea of another universe taking a leak on our universe.

(https://kptri.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/calvin.jpg)
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: bigheadfred on September 16, 2016, 05:27:45 pm
I'm not sure I like the idea of another universe taking a leak on our universe.

(https://kptri.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/calvin.jpg)

It is ok. It is golden.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: r9etb on September 16, 2016, 05:44:05 pm
It is ok. It is golden.

In our universe, perhaps.  But who knows about the parallel ones?  I, for one, am apprehensive about meeting the denizens of the "greenish blue" universe.
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on September 16, 2016, 05:49:06 pm
I thought the universe had was protected from this sort of this.  :laugh:

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Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: bigheadfred on September 16, 2016, 06:31:12 pm
In our universe, perhaps.  But who knows about the parallel ones?  I, for one, am apprehensive about meeting the denizens of the "greenish blue" universe.

What is the "mysterious lying object" in the large hadron collider"???
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: r9etb on September 16, 2016, 06:44:01 pm
What is the "mysterious lying object" in the large hadron collider"???

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41BnyLL9T2L._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Even aliens. 
Title: Re: Scientists may have just found proof of a parallel universe leaking into our own
Post by: LateForLunch on September 19, 2016, 02:10:28 pm
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41BnyLL9T2L._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Even aliens.

hah hah great post (also great avatar).