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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: 240B on August 28, 2018, 12:13:39 pm
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The Washington Examiner
by Caitlin Yilek
August 28, 2018
President Trump on Tuesday accused Google of suppressing positive stories about him, and threatened to take some kind of action against the company by warning this problem "will be addressed!"
"Google search results for 'Trump News' shows only the viewing/reporting of Fake New Media," he wrote on Twitter. “In other words, they have it RIGGED, for me & others, so that almost all stories & news is BAD. Fake CNN is prominent. Republican/Conservative & Fair Media is shut out. Illegal?â€
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-threatens-action-against-google-for-rigged-search-results
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And had Obama threatened this, the idiots now applauding it would have their heads exploding.
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And had Obama threatened this, the idiots now applauding it would have their heads exploding.
Who you calling an idiot, sucka?
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Who you calling an idiot, sucka?
The idiots applauding such a threat upon a private business from the Executive.
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The idiots applauding such a threat upon a private business from the Executive.
When a "private" global business censors search results to support a political agenda?
Who are you, @INVAR ?
Your hatred of the President overrides any sensibilities that may remain encased in your brain.
...and I betcha they rattle around in there.
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When a "private" global business censors search results to support a political agenda?
Who are you, @INVAR ?
Your hatred of the President overrides any sensibilities that may remain encased in your brain.
...and I betcha they rattle around in there.
So... using the presidency to intimidate and threaten actions against a private business are a-okay with you and yours - so long as it's Trump and not Obama doing the threatening?
I will forever laugh at the likes of you when you reference yourself as a Conservative.
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Is a privately owned toll-road a 'private business'?
Can a privately owned toll-road allow this person or business but not that person or business to use the road?
Can a privately owned toll-road forbid anyone with a Trump bumper sticker to use the road?
Google/Twitter/Facebook are more than a mom and pop store on the corner. They are quasi-private but more of a public service, like the electricity company or a phone provider.
Furthermore, these companies are moving toward becoming media providers more than they are open forums. This puts them under federal jurisdiction.
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So... using the presidency to intimidate and threaten actions against a private business are a-okay with you and yours - so long as it's Trump and not Obama doing the threatening?
I will forever laugh at the likes of you when you reference yourself as a Conservative.
Any action taken by the federal government against Google, will apply to other search engines too.
To build algorithms specifically to hide any other political ideology other than your own, is propaganda...not truth.
WTF did you think they talked about during those 350+ meetings at the White House and/or Washington, DC while Barry was POTUS?
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Is a privately owned toll-road a 'private business'?
Care to name any privately owned toll roads or bridges in the country???
Google/Twitter/Facebook are more than a mom and pop store on the corner.
Oh, so in your brave new world, only mom and pop stores are free from Government telling them how they must run their businesses? Does that including being able to bake wedding cakes unmolested?
They are quasi-private but more of a public service, like the electricity company or a phone provider.
So businesses the Executive declares are public services, like newspapers, news stations and internet search engines must now be forced to provide positive feedback and accolades for the president. Gotcha.
Furthermore, these companies are moving toward becoming media providers more than they are open forums. This puts them under federal jurisdiction.
Yeah, and I'm sure when any business a future Marxist president decides to target, he can thank Trump for providing the precedent necessary for him to choose, target and name any business they decree are 'public services, advertising and media providers' with being under federal jurisdiction and regulatory authority.
Any action taken by the federal government against Google, will apply to other search engines too.
To build algorithms specifically to hide any other political ideology other than your own, is propaganda...not truth.
It's hilariously funny watching self-identifying Conservatives push and promote their own Fairness Doctrine, so long as it's Trump pushing it.
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Care to name any privately owned toll roads or bridges in the country???
Foreign Company Now Owns Six Major US Tolls Roads
https://www.thetruckersreport.com/foreign-company-now-owns-six-major-us-tolls-roads/ (https://www.thetruckersreport.com/foreign-company-now-owns-six-major-us-tolls-roads/)
Private Toll Road Backed By $430 Million in Federal Funds Goes Bust
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2016/10/18/private-toll-road-backed-by-430-million-in-federal-funds-goes-bust/ (https://usa.streetsblog.org/2016/10/18/private-toll-road-backed-by-430-million-in-federal-funds-goes-bust/)
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Is a privately owned toll-road a 'private business'?
Can a privately owned toll-road allow this person or business but not that person or business to use the road?
Can a privately owned toll-road forbid anyone with a Trump bumper sticker to use the road?
Google/Twitter/Facebook are more than a mom and pop store on the corner. They are quasi-private but more of a public service, like the electricity company or a phone provider.
Furthermore, these companies are moving toward becoming media providers more than they are open forums. This puts them under federal jurisdiction.
Yes, a true privately owned toll road can allow anyone or no one they choose on to their property. (You are probably confusing state owned toll roads which are contracted out to private businesses to manage- those aren't privately owned.)
I could build and put up a road across some of my property tomorrow and choose who I want to pass through it. There is no public right to my private property, I created a service and can choose what to do with it.
But the Google analogy is closer to a book store. A book store can choose all day long what books to put on shelves, what to hide in the back, and what not to carry around all. Any given author has no right to those shelves. That's up for the store to decide. As a recourse, it is up to the consumer to decide if that store meets their needs, and if not, choose a different store.
But I guess the new mantra of the right:
Bake Host the damn cake content.
It really has become two sides of the same authoritarian, collectivist coin.
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Foreign Company Now Owns Six Major US Tolls Roads
https://www.thetruckersreport.com/foreign-company-now-owns-six-major-us-tolls-roads/ (https://www.thetruckersreport.com/foreign-company-now-owns-six-major-us-tolls-roads/)
Private Toll Road Backed By $430 Million in Federal Funds Goes Bust
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2016/10/18/private-toll-road-backed-by-430-million-in-federal-funds-goes-bust/ (https://usa.streetsblog.org/2016/10/18/private-toll-road-backed-by-430-million-in-federal-funds-goes-bust/)
Technically they own the management rights to those roads, not the physical property.
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I have an idea! How about choosing a search engine other than Google! I did that a long time ago and there is a long list of choices!
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Oh, so in your brave new world, only mom and pop stores are free from Government telling them how they must run their businesses? Does that including being able to bake wedding cakes unmolested?
What's ironic, this is textbook Fascism (no, I'm not talking Nazism here, but more along the lines of Peron/Franco Fascism). Any industry that was deemed in the national interest was basically nationalized through regulations to operate only in the national interest. Mom and pops were allowed to operate (as long as they were friendly to the state). But if you look at true Fascist states in history, things like auto industries, media, communications, farming, energy- everything they deemed in the public good that was privately controlled, was taken over by the state through regulations. (marriage of corporate and state as Mussolini put it).
This was almost a word for word argument that Franco used in his rise. Under his falangism, with the guise of Nationalism, anything that passed along information (printers, bookstores, etc) were tightly regulated to control the message. If they were deemed unfair to Franco, they were regulated or bullied into compliance.
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I have an idea! How about choosing a search engine other than Google! I did that a long time ago and there is a long list of choices!
That's how it is supposed to work. The Consumer freely decides if they want a product or not, and if not, choose a different one. Not demand and cheer big government forcing it to their liking.
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He can say whatever he wants. If it gives the ninnies the vapors, so much the better.
Wake me when he files suit.
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Another day, another enemy for Trump to target. If it isn't Jeff Sessions or Robert Mueller, it's some business or owner of that business.
As I recall, not long ago, Trump targeted Amazon because he didn't like its CEO Jeff Bezos and Bezos' other business, WaPo and what WaPo had to say about him. At the time Trump threatened legal action. But Bezos wasn't intimidated. Amazon is still here and still thriving. And I have yet to see or hear of any legal action taken by Trump probably because hurt feelings don't qualify as a basis for any legal action that he might be contemplating.
Trump could accomplish a lot of things if he would stop trying to entertain his fans with these manufactured controversies and actually get busy on all those campaign promises he and Republicans in congress made to the voters..
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What's ironic, this is textbook Fascism (no, I'm not talking Nazism here, but more along the lines of Peron/Franco Fascism). Any industry that was deemed in the national interest was basically nationalized through regulations to operate only in the national interest. Mom and pops were allowed to operate (as long as they were friendly to the state). But if you look at true Fascist states in history, things like auto industries, media, communications, farming, energy- everything they deemed in the public good that was privately controlled, was taken over by the state through regulations. (marriage of corporate and state as Mussolini put it).
This was almost a word for word argument that Franco used in his rise. Under his falangism, with the guise of Nationalism, anything that passed along information (printers, bookstores, etc) were tightly regulated to control the message. If they were deemed unfair to Franco, they were regulated or bullied into compliance.
Well before Trump and his hordes of "Conservative" Nationalists make that official policy - they are currently applauding a new Fairness Doctrine be imposed by the power of Government at the behest of the Executive.
Apparently these pretend "Conservatives" no longer believe that government is the problem, now they see government as the solution - exactly as the Left does. So they are applauding their version of 'equal time' imposed on the internet and media - and just like the Leftists who abused their version of the doctrine - they too will abuse it and make Fascism absolute.
Which is why I wanted nothing to do with them in the first place. They want payback and vengeance, they are not interested in liberty whatsoever. Government tyranny is fine with them as long as they are the ones imposing it.
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Another day, another enemy for Trump to target. If it isn't Jeff Sessions or Robert Mueller, it's some business or owner of that business.
As I recall, not long ago, Trump targeted Amazon because he didn't like its CEO Jeff Bezos and Bezos' other business, WaPo and what WaPo had to say about him. At the time Trump threatened legal action. But Bezos wasn't intimidated. Amazon is still here and still thriving. And I have yet to see or hear of any legal action taken by Trump probably because hurt feelings don't qualify as a basis for any legal action that he might be contemplating.
Trump could accomplish a lot of things if he would stop trying to entertain his fans with these manufactured controversies and actually get busy on all those campaign promises he and Republicans in congress made to the voters..
I wonder if he will target the Airline industry next.
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Take a look at this if you don't like Google:
https://searchenginewatch.com/2016/02/25/say-goodbye-to-google-14-alternative-search-engines/
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Thanks @kevindavis Bing is the default search engine on my laptop and I have used DuckDuckGo and Quora. There are always choices.
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Thanks @kevindavis Bing is the default search engine on my laptop and I have used DuckDuckGo and Quora. There are always choices.
Bing seems to be better just for quality of results anyway. Less crap (BS sites that rank high due to metadata) to wade through.
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Best search engine ever.....
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/kV0AAOSwHjNV-Mps/s-l400.jpg)
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Best search engine ever.....
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/kV0AAOSwHjNV-Mps/s-l400.jpg)
As long as you don't mind the information ending in 1975. :)
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As long as you don't mind the information ending in 1975. :)
Nothing good happened after then anyway.
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I could be wrong but "bing" seems decent as a search engine.
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DCPatriot wrote:
"Your hatred of the President overrides any sensibilities that may remain encased in your brain."
I agree.
I only put folks on ignore as a last resort, and tolerated him as long as I could.
But... [click!].... no more.
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AbraraXas wrote (regarding the Funk & Wagnalls):
"As long as you don't mind the information ending in 1975..."
That's EXACTLY why I decided to keep our old Collier's Encyclopedia, which my parents got in 1962 or so.
Because... within it resides the collective knowledge of a culture as-yet-undisturbed by political correctness.
For me, it represents a view of the World written from the perspective of the Western World über alles.
And that's how things ought to be.
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As mentioned, if you don't like Google go to another search engine. I use Bing. As for Google, if the President has evidence that their searches are "rigged" hopefully, he'll provide such evidence but I seriously doubt it. *****rollingeyes*****
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I have an idea! How about choosing a search engine other than Google! I did that a long time ago and there is a long list of choices!
Nonsense. There are no alternatives to yahoo and myspace, and there never will be. They must be under DC control.
It's for the children.
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I could be wrong but "bing" seems decent as a search engine.
I like it...and they still make it easy to find images to link. Google, not so much.
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As mentioned, if you don't like Google go to another search engine. I use Bing. As for Google, if the President has evidence that their searches are "rigged" hopefully, he'll provide such evidence but I seriously doubt it. *****rollingeyes*****
Caught some Rush Limbaugh this afternoon and he expounded on this subject....how his never depending on social media to build his audience, he can't be affected by it...by negative searches.
But I got the distinct feeling his attitude is: Let the free market work it out.
One day there was no FOXNEWS channel.
Of course, I've been waiting for uber-rich Conservatives to build a Hollywood studio for years ...there are several Class-A talents of the Conservative bent to get it off the ground. Mel Gibson, Clint Eastwood for example.
It's time for a "fair and balanced" search engine.
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Caught some Rush Limbaugh this afternoon and he expounded on this subject....how his never depending on social media to build his audience, he can't be affected by it...by negative searches.
But I got the distinct feeling his attitude is: Let the free market work it out.
One day there was no FOXNEWS channel.
Of course, I've been waiting for uber-rich Conservatives to build a Hollywood studio for years ...there are several Class-A talents of the Conservative bent to get it off the ground. Mel Gibson, Clint Eastwood for example.
It's time for a "fair and balanced" search engine.
Wolfram Alpha. Pure machine learning based. It is what data scientists use.
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As mentioned, if you don't like Google go to another search engine. I use Bing. As for Google, if the President has evidence that their searches are "rigged" hopefully, he'll provide such evidence but I seriously doubt it. *****rollingeyes*****
@Concerned
Just switched to Bing. I am willing to give it try. Especially with your recommendation.
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Caught some Rush Limbaugh this afternoon and he expounded on this subject....how his never depending on social media to build his audience, he can't be affected by it...by negative searches.
But I got the distinct feeling his attitude is: Let the free market work it out.
One day there was no FOXNEWS channel.
Of course, I've been waiting for uber-rich Conservatives to build a Hollywood studio for years ...there are several Class-A talents of the Conservative bent to get it off the ground. Mel Gibson, Clint Eastwood for example.
It's time for a "fair and balanced" search engine.
If there were actual evidence that most search engines were "unfair and unbalanced", I'm sure there would be a demand for a "fair and balanced" search engine. Of course, I haven't seen any real evidence that search engines are "rigged". As I said, hopefully the President will provide such evidence if he has it, but I don't anticipate it. Just more bluster, I suspect. *****rollingeyes*****
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@Concerned
Just switched to Bing. I willing to give it try. Especially with your recommendation.
@240B :beer:
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There are 70,000 plus search engine options. Something for everyone.
http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_search_engines_are_there (http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_search_engines_are_there)
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There are 70,000 plus search engine options. Something for everyone.
http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_search_engines_are_there (http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_search_engines_are_there)
Ask Jeeves was huge back in 98. I wonder if it is still around.
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Ask Jeeves was huge back in 98. I wonder if it is still around.
Yep. It is now just ask.com. They deported Jeeves when his green card expired.
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Nice... lol The butler always gets screwed!
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I use Startpage (also known as "IXquick") and DuckDuckGo for my search engines mainly. Both do not spy on you and log your searches unlike Google and Bing do. Startpage fetches from Google and is located outside the US (thus less likely the alphabet soup is monitoring them)... DuckDuckGo is located in the US, but often turns up better results than Startpage because it is not having to filter through Google's slanted returns.
Quant and Disconnect also don't log your searches.
Being I (and the wife) are political and the environment we are in, I don't want the government knowing my searches.
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Jus for the heck of it, I googled "Trump News." Found several items from Fox and close to the top. So I don't see the censorship Trump is talking about. Would he rather have Alex Jones or the National Enquirer first?
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Rush and Hannity only, after that 'all grayed out' requiring proof of residency and password.
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Nothing good happened after then anyway.
Are you sure? Cannon ran until '76.
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Well before Trump and his hordes of "Conservative" Nationalists make that official policy - they are currently applauding a new Fairness Doctrine be imposed by the power of Government at the behest of the Executive.
Apparently these pretend "Conservatives" no longer believe that government is the problem, now they see government as the solution - exactly as the Left does. So they are applauding their version of 'equal time' imposed on the internet and media - and just like the Leftists who abused their version of the doctrine - they too will abuse it and make Fascism absolute.
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