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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: EC on August 30, 2015, 09:43:20 pm
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President Barack Obama will officially restore Denali as the name of North America's tallest mountain, ending a 40-year battle over what to call the peak that has been known as Mount McKinley.
The symbolic gesture comes at the beginning of a three-day trip to Alaska where Obama hopes to build support for his efforts to address climate change during his remaining 16 months in office.
The peak was named Mount McKinley in 1896 after a gold explorer in the region heard that Ohioan William McKinley, a champion of the gold standard, had won the Republican nomination for president.
But Alaskan natives had always called the mountain Denali, meaning "the High One." In 1975, the state of Alaska officially designated the mountain as Denali, and has since been pressing the federal government to do the same.
In a statement, the White House said: "This designation recognizes the sacred status of Denali to generations of Alaska natives."
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-08-30/president-obama-to-rename-americas-highest-peak/
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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/US-Obama-Mount-McKinley/2015/08/30/id/672676/
Sunday, 30 Aug 2015 07:00 PM
President Barack Obama will change the name of North America's tallest mountain peak from Mount McKinley to Denali, the White House said Sunday, bestowing the traditional Alaska Native name on the eve of a historic presidential visit to Alaska.
By renaming the peak Denali, an Athabascan word meaning "the high one," Obama is wading into a sensitive and decades-old conflict between residents of Alaska and Ohio. Alaskans have informally called the 20,320-foot mountain Denali for years, but the federal government recognizes its name invoking the 25th president, William McKinley, who was born in Ohio and assassinated early in his second term.
"With our own sense of reverence for this place, we are officially renaming the mountain Denali in recognition of the traditions of Alaska Natives and the strong support of the people of Alaska," said Interior Secretary Sally Jewell.
The announcement came as Obama prepared to depart early Monday on a three-day visit to Alaska, becoming the first sitting president to travel north of the Arctic Circle. As part of his visit, Obama is attempting to show solidarity with Alaska Natives, and planned to hold a round-table session with a group of Alaska Natives just after arriving Monday in Anchorage.
Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who had pushed legislation for years to change the name, said Alaskans were "honored" to recognize the mountain as Denali — a change in tone for the Alaska Republican, who had spoken out against Obama's energy policies in anticipation of his visit to her state.
"I'd like to thank the president for working with us to achieve this significant change to show honor, respect, and gratitude to the Athabascan people of Alaska," Murkowski said in a video message recorded atop the mountain's Ruth Glacier, with cloudy snow-capped peaks behind her.
The state of Alaska has had a standing request to change the name dating back to 1975, when the legislature passed a resolution and then-Gov. Jay Hammond made a request to the federal government. But those efforts and legislation in Congress have been stymied by members of Ohio's congressional delegation.
It was unclear whether Ohio leaders or others would mount an effort to block the change. There was no immediate response to inquiries seeking comment from House Speaker John Boehner and other Ohio lawmakers.
The White House cited Jewell's authority to change the name, and Jewell issued a secretarial order officially changing it to Denali. The Interior Department said the U.S. Board on Geographic Names had been deferring to Congress since 1977, and cited a 1947 law that allows the Interior Department to change names unilaterally when the board fails to act "within a reasonable time." The board shares responsibility with the Interior Department for naming such landmarks.
The peak got its officially recognized name in 1898, when a prospector was exploring mountains in central Alaska, the White House said. Upon hearing the news that McKinley, a Republican, had received his party's nomination to be president, the prospector named it after him and the name was formally recognized.
The White House noted that McKinley never visited Alaska, and said the site is significant culturally to Alaska Natives and central to the Athabascan creation story.
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This native of Ohio is NOT pleased with this.
McKinley lived and went to school in my hometown, and we are proud of our native son.
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Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who had pushed legislation for years to change the name ...
Obama don't need no steenkin' legislation. He don't need no steenkin' Congress. He's emperor of the universe, and don't you forget it.
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Well, imagine my surprise that he didn't name the peak after himself. The rest of this cipher's term will be devoted to glorifying himself.
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Denali is the original name. Alaskans have called it Denali for decades.
Let's pretend that El PrezBO is not involved in this, chill out, and just go with it.
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Let's pretend he has the authority to do whatever he wants. What's the worst that could happen?
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Let's pretend he has the authority to do whatever he wants. What's the worst that could happen?
He does not have the authority to do whatever he wants and I don't even want to pretend that any president ever does or ever will have that authority.
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A senator sought the name change through legislation, but Obama has made it clear that Congress is irrelevant. He will "enact" whatever he chooses.
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"Well, imagine my surprise that he didn't name the peak after himself."
Naw. McKinley/Denali is too small to encompass his ego. Rumor has it he's negotiating with officials in HI to rename Mauna Kea volcano in his honor.
"Much of its base is on the ocean floor, nearly 6,000m below the surface. Its peak is the highest point in the state of Hawaii, giving an overall height of 10,000m. By that measurement, Mauna Kea is significantly higher than Mount Everest’s 8,800m."
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This native of Ohio is NOT pleased with this.
McKinley lived and went to school in my hometown, and we are proud of our native son.
Poland? Niles?
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A senator sought the name change through legislation, but Obama has made it clear that Congress is irrelevant. He will "enact" whatever he chooses.
It's already been decided.
"It’s official: Denali is now the mountain formerly known as Mount McKinley.
With the approval of President Barack Obama, Interior Secretary Sally Jewell has signed a “secretarial order” to officially change the name, the White House and Interior Department announced Sunday. The announcement comes roughly 24 hours before Obama touches down in Anchorage for a whirlwind tour of Alaska."
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Well, imagine my surprise that he didn't name the peak after himself. The rest of this cipher's term will be devoted to glorifying himself.
Color me surprised as well.
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Poland? Niles?
Poland.
He went to Poland Union Seminary and lived on Main Street. :patriot:
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Poland.
He went to Poland Union Seminary and lived on Main Street. :patriot:
I lived in Poland. My sons were born at St. Elizabeth Hospital in Youngstown.
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It's already been decided.
"It’s official: Denali is now the mountain formerly known as Mount McKinley.
With the approval of President Barack Obama, Interior Secretary Sally Jewell has signed a “secretarial order” to officially change the name, the White House and Interior Department announced Sunday. The announcement comes roughly 24 hours before Obama touches down in Anchorage for a whirlwind tour of Alaska."
Can't this secretarial order be erased in 2017?
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The announcement comes roughly 24 hours before Obama touches down in Anchorage for a whirlwind tour of Alaska.
Was it the only one of the 57 states he hadn't yet visited?
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I would be all in favor of naming a mountain after Obama.
The hard part will be finding a large enough pile of s*** to deserve the honor.
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I lived in Poland. My sons were born at St. Elizabeth Hospital in Youngstown.
No way! That's amazing and cool! What are the chances that two of us on this forum lived in the same small town in Ohio?
I was born at North Side......... many, MANY years ago! ^-^
Would you mind PMing me and tell me where you lived? My parents lived in Struthers when I was born (very near the Poland village line), but then moved to where I grew up (and lived as long as I was there) when I was two.
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Drudge has a goofy pick of Bammy (http://drudgereport.com/) over the words "The High One" linked to an article on this topic.
Whaddya think he's tryina say? :silly:
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Boehner stamps his foot in outrage. Apology to Obama expected soon.
"House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said on Monday morning he was "deeply disappointed" by President Barack Obama's decision to rename North America's tallest peak.
Here's his statement in full:
'There is a reason President McKinley’s name has served atop the highest peak in North America for more than 100 years, and that is because it is a testament to his great legacy. McKinley served our country with distinction during the Civil War as a member of the Army. He made a difference for his constituents and his state as a member of the House of Representatives and as Governor of the great state of Ohio. And he led this nation to prosperity and victory in the Spanish-American War as the 25th President of the United States. I’m deeply disappointed in this decision.' "
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/john-boehner-mount-mckinley
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I would be all in favor of naming a mountain after Obama.
The hard part will be finding a large enough pile of s*** to deserve the honor.
We just had our septic system pumped. It's a start.
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We just had our septic system pumped. It's a start.
I had mine done a couple of months ago. While it was on the way from the back yard to the truck, I called it the "Obama River".
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There has been bipartisan support in Alaska for decades to restore the original name, Denali.
Likewise, there has been bipartisan support in Ohio to retain the name, Mount McKinley.
Of course, there are Republicans who are angry because Obama has personally injected himself into this.
As I said before, chill out, and just go with it. Or as the saying goes: Move on. Nothing to see here.
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There has been bipartisan support in Alaska for decades to restore the original name, Denali.
Likewise, there has been bipartisan support in Ohio to retain the name, Mount McKinley.
Of course, there are Republicans who are angry because Obama has personally injected himself into this.
As I said before, chill out, and just go with it. Or as the saying goes: Move on. Nothing to see here.
Unless you're from Ohio..............
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President Trump should immediately to rename it Mt. Obama...to remind everybody how high the sh*t pile is, he's created.
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Much ado about nothing. I'd let the Alsskans decide.
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Unless you're from Ohio..............
True. :laugh:
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Much ado about nothing. I'd let the Alsskans decide.
They already did. They chose Denali a long time ago.
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The name of Mount McKinley National Park was subject to local criticism from the beginning of the park. The word "Denali" means "the high one" in the native Athabaskan language and refers to the mountain itself. The mountain was named after newly elected US president William McKinley in 1897 by local prospector William A. Dickey. The United States government formally adopted the name Mount McKinley after President Wilson signed the bill creating Mount McKinley National Park into effect in 1917 In 1980, Mount McKinley National Park was combined with Denali National Monument, and the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act named the combined unit the Denali National Park and Preserve. At that time the Alaska state Board of Geographic Names changed the name of the mountain to "Denali." However, the U.S. Board on Geographic Names did not recognize the change and continued to denote the official name as Mount McKinley. This situation lasted until Aug. 30, 2015, when President Barack Obama directed Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell to rename the mountain to Denali, using statutory authority to act on requests when the Board of Geographic Names does not do so in a "reasonable" time period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denali_National_Park_and_Preserve#Naming_controversy
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Is McKinley that popular in Ohio to warrant this?
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Is McKinley that popular in Ohio to warrant this?
Apparently he is.
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I'm curious. When was the last time a President used this authority to rename something such as this? Not to name something, but to rename a landmark.
Look, I detest the guy in the Oval Office. Everything he does, he feels he has superior reasoning coupled with the authoritative air of a Monarch at best, tin-pot dictator at worst.
So yes, for those (perhaps) tacky reasons, it is a big deal to me.
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The event itself may be insignificant in the grand scheme of things - or seem to be. Yet:
.... using statutory authority to act on requests when the Board of Geographic Names does not do so in a "reasonable" time period.
from your post.
Who defines "reasonable time period?" That statutory authority covers a lot more than The Board of Geographic Names - it covers pretty much EVERY department of the executive. Do you really want this exercise of Presidential authority to become customary? Laws can be changed. Custom is almost impossible to shift.
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I'm just waiting for Obammy to change the name of the Washington Redskins. Just because.
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I'm curious. When was the last time a President used this authority to rename something such as this? Not to name something, but to rename a landmark.
Look, I detest the guy in the Oval Office. Everything he does, he feels he has superior reasoning coupled with the authoritative air of a Monarch at best, tin-pot dictator at worst.
So yes, for those (perhaps) tacky reasons, it is a big deal to me.
Everything this guy does is for selfish reasons and/or has a political calculus. Many of his moves disregard precedent, protocol, and oftentimes the Constitution. These seemingly minor, trivial, insignificant moves have consequences. Despite doing some searches, I have not encountered a seriously analytical look at the renaming of Mt. McKinley. Maybe that's indicative of its minor nature but perhaps it is due to weariness and acceptance.
In his world white can be black, man can be woman, hate can be reasonable, Faith can be superseded by the State. His is a lawless Administration scorning all balance of power. It ignores and abandons Americans in grave peril while pandering to the largely non-contributors of our society. He foments division and anger to his benefit. His rhetoric is apologetic and anti-American. Nothing in his World comports with mine.
So, I am cynical of this seemingly minor move.
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A friend posted on FB:
Russians will tell you they called it Bolshaya Gora for longer than we called it Mt. McKinley - and since many of the natives did not have written languages, who knows.
This is a real slap in the face to a great president who brought order to Sewards Folly.
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Is McKinley that popular in Ohio to warrant this?
Yes.
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BENJAMIN BELL and ALI WEINBERG
ABC News
Donald Trump, apparently assuming he will secure the White House, tweeted on Monday evening that he would reverse the decision announced by President Obama to change the name of Alaska's Mount McKinley back to the traditional name Denali, saying it is an affront to the Buckeye State.
"President Obama wants to change the name of Mt. McKinley to Denali after more than 100 years. Great insult to Ohio. I will change back!" read the tweet, issued from the account of the real estate mogul.
Can't make it up.
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Can't make it up.
What's your 'problem' with him saying this?
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What's your 'problem' with him saying this?
Trump could say grass is green and the GOPe types would wet their pants over what a callous, crude person he is, ignoring other colors that way.
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What's your 'problem' with him saying this?
Typical teen-age stuff from Trump. But of course you don't see that.
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Typical teen-age stuff from Trump. But of course you don't see that.
Sure....I suppose the 'adult' in the room like you would just emulate Boehner and drink a few gin-tonics instead. :whistle:
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Sure....I suppose the 'adult' in the room like you would just emulate Boehner and drink a few gin-tonics instead. :whistle:
Total non-sequitur. What does Boehner have to do with it. Actually I think Boehner is against the name change. :whistle:
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Typical teen-age stuff from Trump. But of course you don't see that.
Personally, I have much more of a problem with Obama initially changing it unilaterally.
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Personally, I have much more of a problem with Obama initially changing it unilaterally.
Imagine every four to eight years or so it gets changed depending on which party is in the WH. From what I understand Alaska decided a long time ago it should be changed and that's good enough for me.
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From what I understand Alaska decided a long time ago it should be changed and that's good enough for me.
But who is "Alaska"? At least its representative, the U.S. Senator from Alaska, sought the name change through an act of Congress, which seems appropriate. Obama just decreed, as one who considers himself emperor of the universe might do, that the name should be changed.
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But who is "Alaska"? At least its representative, the U.S. Senator from Alaska, sought the name change through an act of Congress, which seems appropriate. Obama just decreed, as one who considers himself emperor of the universe might do, that the name should be changed.
Does seem high-handed doesn't it and maybe politically stupid.
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Everything this guy does is for selfish reasons and/or has a political calculus. Many of his moves disregard precedent, protocol, and oftentimes the Constitution. These seemingly minor, trivial, insignificant moves have consequences. Despite doing some searches, I have not encountered a seriously analytical look at the renaming of Mt. McKinley. Maybe that's indicative of its minor nature but perhaps it is due to weariness and acceptance.
In his world white can be black, man can be woman, hate can be reasonable, Faith can be superseded by the State. His is a lawless Administration scorning all balance of power. It ignores and abandons Americans in grave peril while pandering to the largely non-contributors of our society. He foments division and anger to his benefit. His rhetoric is apologetic and anti-American. Nothing in his World comports with mine.
So, I am cynical of this seemingly minor move.
Great post! I wonder who/why he did this too?
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Frankly my dear Donald, I don't give a damn.
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I think the appropriate response from Trump would have been, " If elected, I will not follow the dictatorial path of the current president, but instead enforce the rule-of-law and allow congress to vote on the original name change proposal. And back again to Mount McKinley if that becomes necessary. Enforcing the law is the appropriate roll as president, not making it."
But Trump to me is taking the same path as Obama. I will do what I want - damn the balance of powers.
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I think the appropriate response from Trump would have been, " If elected, I will not follow the dictatorial path of the current president, but instead enforce the rule-of-law and allow congress to vote on the original name change proposal. And back again to Mount McKinley if that becomes necessary. Enforcing the law is the appropriate roll as president, not making it."
But Trump to me is taking the same path as Obama. I will do what I want - damn the balance of powers.
Trump is just stupid. Obama is evil.
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Great post! I wonder who/why he did this too?
I would only guess that it appeals to Obama's instinctive loathing for America's historical figures (especially its old white men Presidents) and his instinctive adoration for The Other (in this case, Native Americans).
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Trump is just stupid. Obama is evil.
Trump attended the private Kew-Forest School in Forest Hills, Queens, the New York Military Academy (NYMA), University of Pennsylvania, Fordham University, Wharton School of Business ..Trump is not stupid.
From his biography on Trump.com:
Mr. Trump started his business career in an office he shared with his father in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn, New York. He worked with his father for five years, where they were busy making deals together. Mr. Trump has been quoted as saying, "My father was my mentor, and I learned a tremendous amount about every aspect of the construction industry from him." Likewise, Fred C. Trump often stated that "some of my best deals were made by my son, Donald...everything he touches seems to turn to gold." Mr. Trump then entered the very different world of Manhattan real estate.
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Trump is just stupid. Obama is evil.
Mmmmm, I love the smell of jealousy!
While you complain of Trump's lack of accomplishment, that simply calls into question a comparison of your qualifications versus his.
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I would only guess that it appeals to Obama's instinctive loathing for America's historical figures (especially its old white men Presidents) and his instinctive adoration for The Other (in this case, Native Americans).
I think you are correct.
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Trump attended the private Kew-Forest School in Forest Hills, Queens, the New York Military Academy (NYMA), University of Pennsylvania, Fordham University, Wharton School of Business ..Trump is not stupid.
From his biography on Trump.com:
Mr. Trump started his business career in an office he shared with his father in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn, New York. He worked with his father for five years, where they were busy making deals together. Mr. Trump has been quoted as saying, "My father was my mentor, and I learned a tremendous amount about every aspect of the construction industry from him." Likewise, Fred C. Trump often stated that "some of my best deals were made by my son, Donald...everything he touches seems to turn to gold." Mr. Trump then entered the very different world of Manhattan real estate.
There are different kinds of stupid.
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Mmmmm, I love the smell of jealousy!
While you complain of Trump's lack of accomplishment, that simply calls into question a comparison of your qualifications versus his.
That's funny. Trump was given about a billion dollar head start but I'm pretty proud of my own meagerly accomplishments.
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From wiki:
A billion dollars? You're talking out the wrong end, bkepley.
The late 1990s saw a resurgence in Trump's financial situation. The will of Trump's father, who died in 1999, divided an estate estimated at $250–$300 million[36] equally among his four surviving children (although the will was disputed by heirs of Trump's late brother).[55]
Repairs on The Wollman Rink in Central Park (built in 1955) were started in 1980 with an expected 2½-year construction schedule but were nowhere near completion by 1986. Trump took over the management of the project, at no cost to the city, and completed it in three months for $1.95 million, which was $750,000 less than the initial budget.[51]
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That's funny. Trump was given about a billion dollar head start but I'm pretty proud of my own meagerly accomplishments.
Excuses.
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Excuses.
LOL - excuses for what? That I did not turn out a billionaire? Heck you guys on Trump's side are more likely to complain about the unfairness of life than I am. I doubt you can find a single instance of me complaining about rich guys other than when they side with the Dems on an issue.
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From wiki:
The late 1990s saw a resurgence in Trump's financial situation. The will of Trump's father, who died in 1999, divided an estate estimated at $250–$300 million[36] equally among his four surviving children (although the will was disputed by heirs of Trump's late brother).[55]
Repairs on The Wollman Rink in Central Park (built in 1955) were started in 1980 with an expected 2½-year construction schedule but were nowhere near completion by 1986. Trump took over the management of the project, at no cost to the city, and completed it in three months for $1.95 million, which was $750,000 less than the initial budget.[51]
Good example. Trump did not do this totally without profiting but I have no problem with making a profit.
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Total non-sequitur. What does Boehner have to do with it. Actually I think Boehner is against the name change. :whistle:
The non-sequitur is actually you saying this:
Typical teen-age stuff from Trump. But of course you don't see that.
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BENJAMIN BELL and ALI WEINBERG
ABC News
Donald Trump, apparently assuming he will secure the White House, tweeted on Monday evening that he would reverse the decision announced by President Obama to change the name of Alaska's Mount McKinley back to the traditional name Denali, saying it is an affront to the Buckeye State.
"President Obama wants to change the name of Mt. McKinley to Denali after more than 100 years. Great insult to Ohio. I will change back!" read the tweet, issued from the account of the real estate mogul.
Can't make it up.
Link: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-change-denali-back-mount-mckinley/story?id=33452776
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I will combine these two threads...
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LOL - excuses for what? That I did not turn out a billionaire? Heck you guys on Trump's side are more likely to complain about the unfairness of life than I am. I doubt you can find a single instance of me complaining about rich guys other than when they side with the Dems on an issue.
Could you cite references for where Trump supporters complain about the unfairness of life?
You constantly complain about Trump.
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Could you cite references for where Trump supporters complain about the unfairness of life?
You constantly complain about Trump.
Ok I take it back about Trump supporters. Of course I constantly complain about Trump. He's the biggest problem in the GOP right now.
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Ok I take it back about Trump supporters. Of course I constantly complain about Trump. He's the biggest problem in the GOP right now.
Can you provide proof that Trump is the biggest problem facing the GOP? You classify the Trump "threat" as being bigger than a political elite that has led voters to be so disaffected that they will take a chance on someone like Trump? I'd be interested to see your documentation and how you arrived at such a conclusion?
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So much for my vow to stay away from Trump threads..... :shrug:
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT OBAMA'S DICTATORSHIP.
He is doing things that he doesn't have the right to do because it requires CONGRESS to change the name.
It is not innocuous. It is not something for which we should 'move along.' It is yet another attempt to get rid of what is fundamentally an American principle and to arbitrarily change things that he has NO right to change.
Yes, I'm from Ohio, but this really isn't a small matter about one state's President.
(And it is NOT about Trump, for heaven's sakes).
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Can you provide proof that Trump is the biggest problem facing the GOP? You classify the Trump "threat" as being bigger than a political elite that has led voters to be so disaffected that they will take a chance on someone like Trump? I'd be interested to see your documentation and how you arrived at such a conclusion?
Nope it's just my opinion.
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So much for my vow to stay away from Trump threads..... :shrug:
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT OBAMA'S DICTATORSHIP.
He is doing things that he doesn't have the right to do because it requires CONGRESS to change the name.
It is not innocuous. It is not something for which we should 'move along.' It is yet another attempt to get rid of what is fundamentally an American principle and to arbitrarily change things that he has NO right to change.
Yes, I'm from Ohio, but this really isn't a small matter about one state's President.
(And it is NOT about Trump, for heaven's sakes).
Not only obamas dictatorship, but all of them. They are taking down a statue of Jefferson some place. They will continue to take out all of whiteys/American history at warp speed until he is out of office.
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So much for my vow to stay away from Trump threads..... :shrug:
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT OBAMA'S DICTATORSHIP. He is doing things that he doesn't have the right to do because it requires CONGRESS to change the name.
It is not innocuous. It is not something for which we should 'move along.' It is yet another attempt to get rid of what is fundamentally an American principle and to arbitrarily change things that he has NO right to change.
Yes, I'm from Ohio, but this really isn't a small matter about one state's President.
Amen!! This is about Obama pandering to a group of non-white voters to bring into the Democrat party fold. That, and him just demonstrating that he can do whatever he damn well pleases, and no one - especially not Congress - is going to stop him.
PLEASE, could we not bring Trump into every darn thread on this forum!
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Amen!! This is about Obama pandering to a group of non-white voters to bring into the Democrat party fold. That, and him just demonstrating that he can do whatever he damn well pleases, and no one - especially not Congress - is going to stop him.
PLEASE, could we not bring Trump into every darn thread on this forum!
Not just bringing Trump in, but incessant bickering.
Bigger fish to fry. Obama IS demonstrating that he can do whatever he damn well pleases, and there isn't ONE person out there who's going to try to stop him.
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Not just bringing Trump in, but incessant bickering.
Bigger fish to fry. Obama IS demonstrating that he can do whatever he damn well pleases, and there isn't ONE person out there who's going to try to stop him.
You're absolutely right that there are big issues. However, it does come back to Trump, like it or not. We gave the Republicans control of Congress, and they put a drunk, and a backroom dealing weasel in charge. They can't even bring themselves to defund the carnage that is Planned Parenthood. Obama is free to do whatever the heck he wants to do because NO ONE will stop him. The Republicans will occasionally demonstrate disapproval while they do nothing. The only one on the political landscape who will address such things, and call out any number of the crazy things we see is Trump.
I'm hoping that Trump will force the kinder, gentler GOP to take a more adversarial stance to the Democrats. I doubt it will happen, but hey, I can dream, can't I? Right now, that kinder, gentler GOP is doing nothing to fan the flames of the Hillary email scandal, while they wet their pants trying to figure out how to stop Trump. As you can see by the establishment types who have made this place their home, Trump is a bigger threat to the GOPe than Hillary.
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You're absolutely right that there are big issues. However, it does come back to Trump, like it or not. We gave the Republicans control of Congress, and they put a drunk, and a backroom dealing weasel in charge. They can't even bring themselves to defund the carnage that is Planned Parenthood. Obama is free to do whatever the heck he wants to do because NO ONE will stop him. The Republicans will occasionally demonstrate disapproval while they do nothing. The only one on the political landscape who will address such things, and call out any number of the crazy things we see is Trump.
I'm hoping that Trump will force the kinder, gentler GOP to take a more adversarial stance to the Democrats. I doubt it will happen, but hey, I can dream, can't I? Right now, that kinder, gentler GOP is doing nothing to fan the flames of the Hillary email scandal, while they wet their pants trying to figure out how to stop Trump. As you can see by the establishment types who have made this place their home, Trump is a bigger threat to the GOPe than Hillary.
spot on.
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I second that spot on, flowers. Relic nailed it.
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Snipe at each other in someone else's thread. Not mine.
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bk wrote above (regarding Trump's promise to change the name back to "McKinley"):
[[ Typical teen-age stuff from Trump. But of course you don't see that. ]]
Nope.
Great political move by Mr. Trump in a state the GOP absolutely -MUST- win in order to win the 2016 election.
But of course, YOU don't see that!
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bk wrote above (regarding Trump's promise to change the name back to "McKinley"):
[[ Typical teen-age stuff from Trump. But of course you don't see that. ]]
Nope.
Great political move by Mr. Trump in a state the GOP absolutely -MUST- win in order to win the 2016 election.
But of course, YOU don't see that!
.....nah
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I think the appropriate response from Trump would have been, " If elected, I will not follow the dictatorial path of the current president, but instead enforce the rule-of-law and allow congress to vote on the original name change proposal. And back again to Mount McKinley if that becomes necessary. Enforcing the law is the appropriate roll as president, not making it."
But Trump to me is taking the same path as Obama. I will do what I want - damn the balance of powers.
This.
Very much this.
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This.
Very much this.
Impossible and you know it (or at least suspect it.)
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So much for my vow to stay away from Trump threads..... :shrug:
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT OBAMA'S DICTATORSHIP.
He is doing things that he doesn't have the right to do because it requires CONGRESS to change the name.
It is not innocuous. It is not something for which we should 'move along.' It is yet another attempt to get rid of what is fundamentally an American principle and to arbitrarily change things that he has NO right to change.
Yes, I'm from Ohio, but this really isn't a small matter about one state's President.
(And it is NOT about Trump, for heaven's sakes).
I think the question really is, "Does it require an act of Congress to change a geographical placename in the United States?"
I mean, Mount McKinley is in a national park. And national parks are run by the Department of the Interior. The Department of the Interior falls under the Executive Branch.
So wouldn't any reference to the mountain that would be on a map that comes out of any Executive Branch agency... fall under the President's purview?
From what I could tell, it doesn't sound like anyone is forcing the National Geographic Society to change the name.
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Amen!! This is about Obama pandering to a group of non-white voters to bring into the Democrat party fold. That, and him just demonstrating that he can do whatever he damn well pleases, and no one - especially not Congress - is going to stop him.
PLEASE, could we not bring Trump into every darn thread on this forum!
Personally, I thought he was pushing Global Warming with this. Renaming the mountain to it's native American name lends to the ideology of how European colonization destroyed the 'sacred earth'.
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Snipe at each other in someone else's thread. Not mine.
I liek cheez.
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I think the question really is, "Does it require an act of Congress to change a geographical placename in the United States?"
I mean, Mount McKinley is in a national park. And national parks are run by the Department of the Interior. The Department of the Interior falls under the Executive Branch.
So wouldn't any reference to the mountain that would be on a map that comes out of any Executive Branch agency... fall under the President's purview?
From what I could tell, it doesn't sound like anyone is forcing the National Geographic Society to change the name.
I'm not sure you can believe this and agree with NavyCanDo up thread.
But, avoiding any comment on Trump, I will say this.....
It was an act of Congress that changed it to McKinley, and I would guess that Punk Dictator Obama hasn't got a clue as to what his role ought to be in this. He's just trying to make noise, get another voting block, and distract from his economy-killing capitalism-hating climate change moves in Alaska.
And he thinks he can do whatever he jolly well pleases.
(And apparently is right about that..... **nononono* )