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General Category => PJ Comix => Topic started by: pjcomix on January 11, 2020, 07:52:43 pm
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What's with this "us" bit, David?
New York Times "conservative" columnist David Brooks claimed on Thursday that "Trump Has Made Us All Stupid." Brooks admits that liberals are now acting really really stupid (as well as loony) but that the fault lies with President Donald Trump.
The weird thing about Brooks' column is that he also gives as close to high praise to Trump as you can at the Times without getting a pink slip (although that could still happen).
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2020/01/11/david-brooks-trump-has-made-us-all-stupid (https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2020/01/11/david-brooks-trump-has-made-us-all-stupid)
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There are many things which Trump could be blamed for, but this is one thing he can't.
There has been so much serious stupidity in Government, the press, the punditry, the media, and beyond, no single man could have made all that happen, even if he had tried.
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read later.
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There are many things which Trump could be blamed for, but this is one thing he can't. There has been so much serious stupidity in Government, the press, the punditry, the media, and beyond, no single man could have made all that happen, even if he had tried.
@Smokin Joe
Yes, he made it all happen, from the time he started his first campaign. He has made sure he is on TV every day and that is his goal - keep causing turmoil every day so newspapers and general websites and news sites write/speak about him - again, every day. He has no other goal than this. Malignant Narcissist.
He has done this all his adult life. Would use fake names and call newspapers telling them what "Trump" had done that day, so he would get in the papers every day. Then got his TV program for more publicity.
He will find something else to keep him in the news every day when he is no longer president.
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@Smokin Joe you're selling Trump way too short. :smokin:
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One thing I can agree with. He makes us all look stupid.
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Nope not us. Just you.
Get a mirror.
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Your ugly ass face broke it.
Your looking in my mirror instead of your own? How could I break you mirror? Identity problem maybe.
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ENOUGH!
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Brooks certainly didn't need Trump's assistance.
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@Smokin Joe
Yes, he made it all happen, from the time he started his first campaign. He has made sure he is on TV every day and that is his goal - keep causing turmoil every day so newspapers and general websites and news sites write/speak about him - again, every day. He has no other goal than this. Malignant Narcissist.
He has done this all his adult life. Would use fake names and call newspapers telling them what "Trump" had done that day, so he would get in the papers every day. Then got his TV program for more publicity.
He will find something else to keep him in the news every day when he is no longer president.
He's a promoter, not the producer.
Promotions (sales) is his real stock in trade and his name is a brand, so he's used to promoting it, and in the process, promoting himself. He is his own mascot, no 'Tony the Tiger', no Speedy the Alka Seltzer kid.
Keeping that name in the media is much like keeping Ford, Band-Aid, Honey Bunches of Oats, whatever forward in the public mind because it sells the brand.
No one has forced anyone to listen to, buy into, or vote for the brand, nor the man. People have undertaken those decisions on their own. It's like blaming the dealer for someone getting addicted, when the addict made the choices that led to their addiction.
Someone else decided he'd sell more soap than whatever else was going on and played right in.
You act as if he twisted arms, but the decisions to put him on TV came from those who wanted their stuff to be viewed. Still happens that way, just that now that they realize he could beat Hillary, they're attacking him.
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@Smokin Joe you're selling Trump way too short. :smokin:
@corbe There are segments of society that can't be made more stupid than they already are. I'm sorry, but Trump just can't take any credit for the inherent intellectual challenges of liberals and others.
It isn't like he pushed courses in common core math.
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Funny thing is that this argument between Wingnut and Chosen Daughter just may have proven Mr. Brooks' point.
Brooks never had a point. :nono:
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Wingie, haven't seen you for a while; you're back and now you're angling for a time out.
How about calming down, or sobering up, as the case may be?
LOL.
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I worked for a major internaional engineering and construction contractor.
We sold the ability to get very big very complex things done.
Sales was King, so the saying went.
People in va,rious disciplines, often mopped up after sales came back with draft contracts.
Sales are often the highest paid in a company.
Another saying, from the project manager/devision VPP for what was at the time, one of the largest undertakings ever:
Get Work Do Work.
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One thing I can agree with. He makes us all look stupid.
Pray tell, how is that?
I for one do not agree with that comment that I am stupid.
In fact, I resent that comment.
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Trump isn't that powerful. I think the stupiding of Libs and Progs started in the Nixon era, and accelerated during the 1980 Presidential campaign. And it was self-stupiding.
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Brooks certainly didn't need Trump's assistance.
LOL!
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Some of us are naturally stupid, others work really hard at it...
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Pray tell, how is that?
I for one do not agree with that comment that I am stupid.
In fact, I resent that comment.
OK, resent it. Got an issue go to the author of the article. I think Trump makes me look stupid when I support his decision and then doesn't actually do it.
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I'm doubt its very hard for someone to make Brooks look stupid.
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OK, resent it. Got an issue go to the author of the article. I think Trump makes me look stupid when I support his decision and then doesn't actually do it.
You can think about yourself anyway you wish.
Go ahead and condemn yourself for being an American if you so wish.
Just don't pollute the rest of us.
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OK, resent it. Got an issue go to the author of the article. I think Trump makes me look stupid when I support his decision and then doesn't actually do it.
@Chosendaughter
Quit externalizing your internal validation.
That which makes you "look" stupid, comes entirely from within...no outside word or action can drive that appearance and blaming others or "someone" is simply a failure of personal responsibility. Take some ownership of what you do and say for god's sakes.
And for the record, what's making you appear ridiculous to those on the board is definitely NOT the occasions on which you agree with the President...rare though those may be.
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:pop41: tri22 Please try to remember that TBR members are not the topic of the thread. tri22 :pop41:
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:pop41: tri22 Please try to remember that TBR members are not the topic of the thread. tri22 :pop41:
While I agree in principle, this is a thread proclaiming all of us to have been "made stupid". The topic title itself MAKES "us" the topic of the thread. It puts the target right on every TBR members noggin IMHO...not suprising, or wrong, that we would defend ourselves from that kind of assertion.
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Maybe, but when it moves to calling other people stupid there's a line crossed. I already know how stupid I am.
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He needs to start pointing the finger at his mama for making poor choices.
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OK, resent it. Got an issue go to the author of the article. I think Trump makes me look stupid when I support his decision and then doesn't actually do it.
Just support the decision, deride the lack of action on it. There is no shame nor embarrassment in supporting a good idea, even if it does not come to fruition.
Simple enough.
That's why I have adopted a wait and see attitude, and support the actions he has taken which I think are right, and dislike the actions which I find fault with.
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Brooks was long a supporter of John McCain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain);...Brooks has frequently expressed admiration for President Barack Obama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama).
In a March 2007 article published in The New York Times titled "No U-Turns",[61] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brooks_(commentator)#cite_note-61) Brooks explained that the Republican Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)) must distance itself from the minimal-government conservative principles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brooks_(commentator)
This guy is as far from being a conservative as I am of being Chinese..
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Trump may be polarizing but so was Patton in WW2. One was always better off having Patton ahead of you leading the charge, and the soldiers knew it.
It is the same with Trump.
Like or dislike his words, I will line up behind him every time like I would with General Patton if I had the choice, as they are both winners and patriots.
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@Chosendaughter
Quit externalizing your internal validation.
That which makes you "look" stupid, comes entirely from within...no outside word or action can drive that appearance and blaming others or "someone" is simply a failure of personal responsibility. Take some ownership of what you do and say for god's sakes.
And for the record, what's making you appear ridiculous to those on the board is definitely NOT the occasions on which you agree with the President...rare though those may be.
Certainly not. I get trashed for never supporting Trump but when I do he makes me a fool. Wasn't going to sign but did. Was going to designate Cartel terrorist and then didn't. That makes me stupid for believing he means what he says.
And if Esper is telling the truth we are all stupid for believing there was an imminent threat to 4 American Embassies.
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Weather or not a person is "polarized" is an emotional response by narcissistic people that don't get their way.
Trump cannot be "polarizing" unless a person is so self righteous that they fell that the wishes and focus of 63 million people is wrong.
my 2 cents
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Trump may be polarizing but so was Patton in WW2. One was always better off having Patton ahead of you leading the charge, and the soldiers knew it.
It is the same with Trump.
Like or dislike his words, I will line up behind him every time like I would with General Patton if I had the choice, as they are both winners and patriots.
And people dislike his words because he's a 'meanie' on Twitter and goes after Democrats pulling no punches.
Meanwhile, 'moderate' Dems like Biden says he's gonna get rid of all 'dirty' blue collar jobs in our economy for the Green New Deal, amnong other nutty policy proposals like taking our guns.
Let's not even get into the full flamethrower marxism of the others.
Which one is going to wreck my life? Not Trump calling Pelosi names, that's for sure.
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And people dislike his words because he's a 'meanie' on Twitter and goes after Democrats pulling no punches.
No, that ain't it.
Meanwhile, 'moderate' Dems like Biden says he's gonna get rid of all 'dirty' blue collar jobs in our economy for the Green New Deal, amnong other nutty policy proposals like taking our guns.
Let's not even get into the full flamethrower marxism of the others.
Which one is going to wreck my life? Not Trump calling Pelosi names, that's for sure.
Riiight... The same ol 'better than them' argument... That sets a incredibly low bar. No wonder nothing Conservative ever happens.
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Riiight... The same ol 'better than them' argument... That sets a incredibly low bar. No wonder nothing Conservative ever happens.
For me it's like the old saying 'you go with the army you got'.
My choices for '20 are Trump, who I don't agree with all the time, or one of the pick-your-nutjob-marxists.
After Trump, I don't know who has the stones and gravitas to step up and fill the shoes. Demographics may be that insurmoutable by that point anyway.
All I know is I can keep the revolutionary leftist wolves at bay for the next 4 years.
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No, that ain't it.
Riiight... The same ol 'better than them' argument... That sets a incredibly low bar. No wonder nothing Conservative ever happens.
Nothing?
Quite a bit of hyperbole from you there, fella.
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All I know is I can keep the revolutionary leftist wolves at bay for the next 4 years.
Yes... and the globalist corporate cronies in power.
Good job. *****rollingeyes*****
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Nothing?
Quite a bit of hyperbole from you there, fella.
No hyperbole at all.
Conservatism has LOST on every front, for the entire breadth of my lifetime.
Not because liberalism has merit... But because it has no opposition.
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Yes... and the globalist corporate cronies in power.
Good job. *****rollingeyes*****
I really don't see Trump as part of the globalist corporate cronies. Most of them are Dems now.
A couple are running for Prez.
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I really don't see Trump as part of the globalist corporate cronies. Most of them are Dems now.
A couple are running for Prez.
Globalism resides in the moderate wing of the Republican Party. Bush/McCain/etc.
McConnell, Graham.
You know... the new 'conservative' heroes.
Tump, the global real estate mogul, hand in hand with the PTB in Congress...
You are the trusting sort.
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No hyperbole at all.
Conservatism has LOST on every front, for the entire breadth of my lifetime.
Not because liberalism has merit... But because it has no opposition.
Seems overly defeatist.
So why not just shoot yourself if all is lost?
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Seems overly defeatist.
So why not just shoot yourself if all is lost?
FINE.
List the actual wins for conservatism... from 94 Congress forward particularly. The REAL wins. The stuff we get to keep.
Show me the money.
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Wish I could read the actual editorial instead of someone else's interpretation of it, but since I don't subscribe to the Times (ick!), that's not going to happen.
However, I do think Trump is a polarizing figure. Many of us complained that Obama pitted the races against each other. But while Trump may or may not have caused this polarization, he certainly has not helped to bring back civil discourse and a willingness to agree to disagree. If anything, the divisions between us have become wider and far more serious. Is he to blame? Ok, disagree with me if you wish. But the fact is, things have become nastier. Pointing fingers and calling each other names has not helped. We used to be angry at liberals. Now we are angry at each other.
I think we all need to make a conscious effort to stop the name calling and bullying. If we can't get along, then we need to go to our neutral corners and chill out. I am not stupid, a traitor or an enemy of the state because I don't support Trump. You are not an idiot or a cult member because you support him.
And yes this all applies to me too because I've been mean to Trump supporters as well. But if I can try to be civil with the ones I disagree with, then the rest of you can too.
I will say this, that while I was opposed to Trump, himself, I have come to see that his tactics, no matter how distasteful, are producing results. Now, I work in the oil industry and am a result oriented person, although I believe in doing things right.
Imho, the way people act toward each other is a personal choice. If I can (and I do) disagree with Liberals in a civil manner, (although they don't always disagree with me that way), I can settle back and not make other disagreements personal. It is up to those who disagree with me how they want to act, and I have lost friends over that. If they want to they will have a hissy fit at me over the actions of someone else, whether I agree with those actions or not, and that fit is on them.
I found his behaviour prior to the General to be less than honorable, polarizing, and frankly, distasteful.
Enough so, that he did not get my vote, which went to the Constitution Party candidate, as much to support the Party and its platform (the US Constitution, stressing original intent) as anything.
That said, we are past that now, like the results or not of the Primaries, past the General election, and Trump won--a fate for this Republic I find far preferable to Hillary. We fight with the army we have, not the one we want, and this polarization of which you speak has been long fomented by the Democrats, even to the point of putting rioters in the streets over race and politics and even the preservation of historical monuments and statues.
There is the natural fault line, the rift in America, between those who want government to nurse them and mother them, and those of us who want it generally to get out of the way and let us provide for ourselves and our progeny, with a minimum of interference, just enough to keep things fair (a word whose definition in practice varies widely, but generally boils down to an application of the Golden Rule.
Other duties of the Federal Government were laid out in the Preamble and Constitution, along with the constraints both in the Constitution and the succeeding Amendments, particularly the Bill of Rights. Abide by the restrictions, perform the duties. Simple enough, one would think, and were it not for the creative and overreaching interpretations of jurists, something which would work.
But, since President Trump has taken office, here is what has happened:
He has smoked out scores of leakers in the Executive branch (and elsewhere). They were there to do a job, and that job entailed executing any Constitutional orders which they were given, not slow walking, not leaking, not defying them, but to be professional and get the job done. Many are gone, some with clearances revoked.
Others, if still present have generally shut up.
He has exposed the Obama Administration's abuses of power, the DOJ, the FBI, and peeled back that rock. Often those have exposed themselves in order to attack him, not always unprovoked, but an effective tactic nonetheless.
He has polarized the political scene in one sense: those who claimed to be "moderates" who were actually crypto-Liberals have often ripped away their disguises and exposed themselves, fight down to the solidly unAmerican comments made by members of Congress.
The criminal organization that was the Clinton/Obama cartel has been exposed, thwarted, neutered, had key players who have been shut down (Brennan, for one), or likely eliminated in self-defense (Epstein) by the very people they catered to, and generally disrupted.
Many of the damaging Obama policies which would have benefited those who are our enemies have been reversed, both domestically and abroad. We have continued on as a result of those policy changes to have energy security for the first time in decades--no need to rely on anyone else, and the ability to export more than we import for convenience's sake and to maintain trade. Though we decry the debt, the petrodollar has real backing for a change, likely ensuring its status as the reserve currency in the world, for the near haul at least.
There was rumbling of other currencies replacing it less than a decade ago--something which would have had a disastrous impact on our economy. While that could still happen, it is a little less likely in the short term.
Ridiculous allegedly environmentally based restrictions have been thwarted, another economy crippling series of programs which have not come to pass.
Formidable individual enemies have been eliminated, enemies who plotted the destruction of Americans across the world, some for decades, in the stateless warfare we know as "terrorism".
If that isn't a real 'war on terror' I don't know what is. Better than buying off the warlords, better than paying tribute to the Barbary Pirates, or what have you. Sure, there will be others who replace them, but they, too, will be eliminated, in turn--if we have someone willing to make the call and get the job done, rather than let those who exposed them in turn be hunted down for our failure to act on that intel.
Some divisions are natural, and the Democrats' veil being torn aside to reveal their Marxism as they try to outdo each other on the dais in the debates is even more revealing. I simply do not think they have the backing they think they do or say they do, and that is why they are so desperate to import so many people who have lived under the Marxist yoke and stuff their heads with dung before they can find out the blessings of Liberty for them and their progeny.
The nonsense of inciting violence and using their media spin machine to make themselves look like victims has worn thin.
The nonsense of waving a race card has worn thin with all but those who hide behind it, and with many who could.
The Obama era of fomenting racism is still sputtering along, but less likely to gain new adherents except in the Marxist media, because history doesn't support a word of that latest crap.
If the division between those who support this Republic, and those who think it ought be a criminal Marxist oligarchy has been heightened, so be it. While we may squabble among ourselves, I would hope that we do not lose sight of the far more dangerous alternatives which await, ready to hammer down the gates of the Republic and destroy it, or throw those same gates open to invasion, physically and philosophically.
While Trump is not the Conservative I would have sought (in many senses falling far short of that Conservatism), in the binary world of national politics, one can choose which 'side' to be on, and the Marxists have taken over the Democrat Party.
It has long been accepted that the return to our Constitutional Republic will likely take a lifetime, and likely will not occur in ours, but, to borrow a page from the enemy playbook, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step." We aren't going to magically return to that Republic, we must, for a change, make steps in the right direction.
The results, the footprints of this administration, are what indicate its direction, all media nonwithstanding.
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FINE.
List the actual wins for conservatism... from 94 Congress forward particularly. The REAL wins. The stuff we get to keep.
Show me the money.
Just one then others can fill in the blanks.
We are exporting more oil than ever. Conservative policies. Lot of money involved, which you seem to appreciate if nothing else.
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Seems overly defeatist.
So why not just shoot yourself if all is lost?
...or up the dosage of Prozac? :laugh:
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Just one then others can fill in the blanks.
We are exporting more oil than ever. Conservative policies. Lot of money involved, which you seem to appreciate if nothing else.
That is a thing. Not a principle.
I will admit that where Conservative policies meet the necessities of corporate globalism, they are used and lauded. But the principle behind them is what I am fighting for. And not for globalism's sake.
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I will say this, that while I was opposed to Trump, himself, I have come to see that his tactics, no matter how distasteful, are producing results. Now, I work in the oil industry and am a result oriented person, although I believe in doing things right.
Imho, the way people act toward each other is a personal choice. If I can (and I do) disagree with Liberals in a civil manner, (although they don't always disagree with me that way), I can settle back and not make other disagreements personal. It is up to those who disagree with me how they want to act, and I have lost friends over that. If they want to they will have a hissy fit at me over the actions of someone else, whether I agree with those actions or not, and that fit is on them.
I found his behaviour prior to the General to be less than honorable, polarizing, and frankly, distasteful.
Enough so, that he did not get my vote, which went to the Constitution Party candidate, as much to support the Party and its platform (the US Constitution, stressing original intent) as anything.
That said, we are past that now, like the results or not of the Primaries, past the General election, and Trump won--a fate for this Republic I find far preferable to Hillary. We fight with the army we have, not the one we want, and this polarization of which you speak has been long fomented by the Democrats, even to the point of putting rioters in the streets over race and politics and even the preservation of historical monuments and statues.
There is the natural fault line, the rift in America, between those who want government to nurse them and mother them, and those of us who want it generally to get out of the way and let us provide for ourselves and our progeny, with a minimum of interference, just enough to keep things fair (a word whose definition in practice varies widely, but generally boils down to an application of the Golden Rule.
Other duties of the Federal Government were laid out in the Preamble and Constitution, along with the constraints both in the Constitution and the succeeding Amendments, particularly the Bill of Rights. Abide by the restrictions, perform the duties. Simple enough, one would think, and were it not for the creative and overreaching interpretations of jurists, something which would work.
But, since President Trump has taken office, here is what has happened:
He has smoked out scores of leakers in the Executive branch (and elsewhere). They were there to do a job, and that job entailed executing any Constitutional orders which they were given, not slow walking, not leaking, not defying them, but to be professional and get the job done. Many are gone, some with clearances revoked.
Others, if still present have generally shut up.
He has exposed the Obama Administration's abuses of power, the DOJ, the FBI, and peeled back that rock. Often those have exposed themselves in order to attack him, not always unprovoked, but an effective tactic nonetheless.
He has polarized the political scene in one sense: those who claimed to be "moderates" who were actually crypto-Liberals have often ripped away their disguises and exposed themselves, fight down to the solidly unAmerican comments made by members of Congress.
The criminal organization that was the Clinton/Obama cartel has been exposed, thwarted, neutered, had key players who have been shut down (Brennan, for one), or likely eliminated in self-defense (Epstein) by the very people they catered to, and generally disrupted.
Many of the damaging Obama policies which would have benefited those who are our enemies have been reversed, both domestically and abroad. We have continued on as a result of those policy changes to have energy security for the first time in decades--no need to rely on anyone else, and the ability to export more than we import for convenience's sake and to maintain trade. Though we decry the debt, the petrodollar has real backing for a change, likely ensuring its status as the reserve currency in the world, for the near haul at least.
There was rumbling of other currencies replacing it less than a decade ago--something which would have had a disastrous impact on our economy. While that could still happen, it is a little less likely in the short term.
Ridiculous allegedly environmentally based restrictions have been thwarted, another economy crippling series of programs which have not come to pass.
Formidable individual enemies have been eliminated, enemies who plotted the destruction of Americans across the world, some for decades, in the stateless warfare we know as "terrorism".
If that isn't a real 'war on terror' I don't know what is. Better than buying off the warlords, better than paying tribute to the Barbary Pirates, or what have you. Sure, there will be others who replace them, but they, too, will be eliminated, in turn--if we have someone willing to make the call and get the job done, rather than let those who exposed them in turn be hunted down for our failure to act on that intel.
Some divisions are natural, and the Democrats' veil being torn aside to reveal their Marxism as they try to outdo each other on the dais in the debates is even more revealing. I simply do not think they have the backing they think they do or say they do, and that is why they are so desperate to import so many people who have lived under the Marxist yoke and stuff their heads with dung before they can find out the blessings of Liberty for them and their progeny.
The nonsense of inciting violence and using their media spin machine to make themselves look like victims has worn thin.
The nonsense of waving a race card has worn thin with all but those who hide behind it, and with many who could.
The Obama era of fomenting racism is still sputtering along, but less likely to gain new adherents except in the Marxist media, because history doesn't support a word of that latest crap.
If the division between those who support this Republic, and those who think it ought be a criminal Marxist oligarchy has been heightened, so be it. While we may squabble among ourselves, I would hope that we do not lose sight of the far more dangerous alternatives which await, ready to hammer down the gates of the Republic and destroy it, or throw those same gates open to invasion, physically and philosophically.
While Trump is not the Conservative I would have sought (in many senses falling far short of that Conservatism), in the binary world of national politics, one can choose which 'side' to be on, and the Marxists have taken over the Democrat Party.
It has long been accepted that the return to our Constitutional Republic will likely take a lifetime, and likely will not occur in ours, but, to borrow a page from the enemy playbook, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step." We aren't going to magically return to that Republic, we must, for a change, make steps in the right direction.
The results, the footprints of this administration, are what indicate its direction, all media nonwithstanding.
Excellent post! @Smokin Joe
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FINE.
List the actual wins for conservatism... from 94 Congress forward particularly. The REAL wins. The stuff we get to keep.
Show me the money.
Some of those policy changes may not hold if the Marxists get back in office. In the meantime, they can't rip the pipelines out of the ground, put the oil or natural gas back. They can't resurrect Al-Baghdadi or Soleimani, there are things that can't be undone. Some of the AntiAmerican operatives who have exposed themselves can't take it back, will not fit back beneath the rock, and all the poo flinging just gets them mad enough that they do expose themselves, not just to us, but to everyone. That works whether they were FBI, DOJ, or in Congress or elsewhere in the administration. They might get nice side jobs elsewhere, some may keeptheir current jobs for a bit, but it would be a stretch for them to get their old jobs back in the event that the Marxists do not regain power soon.
What I devoutly hope, is that America sees a clearly better course of action and continues in the direction of Conservativism, rather than turns back down the Leftist path we have been on for so long.
What I mean by that is these are baby steps in the right direction for a change, we have a long way left to go. You're gonna step in some mud on the way out of the swamp, but if you keep heading out, you'll get to better ground.
The policies will sell the principles, if we don't lose track of that. If the policies fall short of that direction, I won't support them.
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I really don't see Trump as part of the globalist corporate cronies. Most of them are Dems now.
A couple are running for Prez.
The problem is that the Dems aren't so much globalist corporate cronies. They are Marxists, using Islamists and others for Global Socialism (Communism/Totalitarianism, let's call it what it is.).
The Global Corporatists are on the Right, calling themselves "moderates", and Conservatives, in the sense of the Declaration and the Constitution are farther to the Right. The GOP is on the boundary between the Global Corporatists and the Conservatives, and ever teetering toward globalism That's the Bush Bunch, and GHWB's "New World Order" of Crony Capitalists and the hordes of "moderates" who got elected by lying to the TEA party folks, among others. Who doesn't play their game is sidelined, even if it gets Doug Jones elected.
There isn't anyone on the side of Conservatism out there, with maybe one or two exceptions. All we can do is hope and work to push any momentum to the Right farther along, past Global Corporatism.
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Some of those policy changes may not hold if the Marxists get back in office. In the meantime, they can't rip the pipelines out of the ground, put the oil or natural gas back. They can't resurrect Al-Baghdadi or Soleimani, there are things that can't be undone. Some of the AntiAmerican operatives who have exposed themselves can't take it back, will not fit back beneath the rock, and all the poo flinging just gets them mad enough that they do expose themselves, not just to us, but to everyone. That works whether they were FBI, DOJ, or in Congress or elsewhere in the administration. They might get nice side jobs elsewhere, some may keeptheir current jobs for a bit, but it would be a stretch for them to get their old jobs back in the event that the Marxists do not regain power soon.
What I devoutly hope, is that America sees a clearly better course of action and continues in the direction of Conservativism, rather than turns back down the Leftist path we have been on for so long.
What I mean by that is these are baby steps in the right direction for a change, we have a long way left to go. You're gonna step in some mud on the way out of the swamp, but if you keep heading out, you'll get to better ground.
The policies will sell the principles, if we don't lose track of that. If the policies fall short of that direction, I won't support them.
I see where you are at @Smokin Joe , but there;s a lot of sign on the ground that ain't being read.
Like every Conservative of note either disappeared through the administrations revolving door cabinet, or publicly defamed... There are literally almost none left. And that wasn't the liberals doing that. The cabinet finally installed, coincidentally overflowing with more Goldmann Sachs that Cruz could have ever managed.
Nearly ALL of the moves that ain't flat out lies by this administration are nothing but EOs which will vanish like a fart in a windstorm. Just like with Dubya, not only will the candy store close, but it will be MOAB'd into extinction the minute this admin crosses the threshhold for the last time.
The things we DO get to keep, to the best of my knowledge, are the things good for globalism.
That's the sign on the ground I see. Baby steps toward Conservatism my a$$. This is just more globalism wrapped in patriotic MAGA bullcrap.
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The problem is that the Dems aren't so much globalist corporate cronies. They are Marxists, using Islamists and others for Global Socialism (Communism/Totalitarianism, let's call it what it is.).
The Global Corporatists are on the Right, calling themselves "moderates", and Conservatives, in the sense of the Declaration and the Constitution are farther to the Right. The GOP is on the boundary between the Global Corporatists and the Conservatives, and ever teetering toward globalism That's the Bush Bunch, and GHWB's "New World Order" of Crony Capitalists and the hordes of "moderates" who got elected by lying to the TEA party folks, among others. Who doesn't play their game is sidelined, even if it gets Doug Jones elected.
There isn't anyone on the side of Conservatism out there, with maybe one or two exceptions. All we can do is hope and work to push any momentum to the Right farther along, past Global Corporatism.
SOSDD... For FIFTY YEARS.
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SOSDD... For FIFTY YEARS.
I won't argue with that, but if we're going to climb that hill, we have to stop losing ground.
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I won't argue with that, but if we're going to climb that hill, we have to stop losing ground.
In the midst of a Hegelian Dialectic on the horns of a dilemma - An Hobson's choice followed at best by a Pyrrhic victory.
How the hell AIN'T that losing ground?
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I see where you are at @Smokin Joe , but there;s a lot of sign on the ground that ain't being read.
Like every Conservative of note either disappeared through the administrations revolving door cabinet, or publicly defamed... There are literally almost none left. And that wasn't the liberals doing that. The cabinet finally installed, coincidentally overflowing with more Goldmann Sachs that Cruz could have ever managed.
Nearly ALL of the moves that ain't flat out lies by this administration are nothing but EOs which will vanish like a fart in a windstorm. Just like with Dubya, not only will the candy store close, but it will be MOAB'd into extinction the minute this admin crosses the threshhold for the last time.
The things we DO get to keep, to the best of my knowledge, are the things good for globalism.
That's the sign on the ground I see. Baby steps toward Conservatism my a$$. This is just more globalism wrapped in patriotic MAGA bullcrap.
We also get to keep the trillions of new debt for the rest of our lives and all the consequences that come with it.
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We also get to keep the trillions of new debt for the rest of our lives and all the consequences that come with it.
That's dang well right, and by design, I would say.
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That is a thing. Not a principle.
I will admit that where Conservative policies meet the necessities of corporate globalism, they are used and lauded. But the principle behind them is what I am fighting for. And not for globalism's sake.
How about a principle of non-interference with private companies by reducing regulations sufficiently that allows technology and capitalistic processes to ferment to the stage that companies can expand the boundaries of known ways to produce oil and significantly and exponentially produce so much oil that we have a surplus that permits export instead of import? The big bonus for citizens is low energy prices.
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How about a principle of non-interference with private companies by reducing regulations sufficiently that allows technology and capitalistic processes to ferment to the stage that companies can expand the boundaries of known ways to produce oil and significantly and exponentially produce so much oil that we have a surplus that permits export instead of import? The big bonus for citizens is low energy prices.
Howabout a gigantic discovery in the Bakken having very little to do with Tump?
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Some of those policy changes may not hold if the Marxists get back in office. In the meantime, they can't rip the pipelines out of the ground, put the oil or natural gas back. They can't resurrect Al-Baghdadi or Soleimani, there are things that can't be undone. Some of the AntiAmerican operatives who have exposed themselves can't take it back, will not fit back beneath the rock, and all the poo flinging just gets them mad enough that they do expose themselves, not just to us, but to everyone. That works whether they were FBI, DOJ, or in Congress or elsewhere in the administration. They might get nice side jobs elsewhere, some may keeptheir current jobs for a bit, but it would be a stretch for them to get their old jobs back in the event that the Marxists do not regain power soon.
What I devoutly hope, is that America sees a clearly better course of action and continues in the direction of Conservativism, rather than turns back down the Leftist path we have been on for so long.
What I mean by that is these are baby steps in the right direction for a change, we have a long way left to go. You're gonna step in some mud on the way out of the swamp, but if you keep heading out, you'll get to better ground.
The policies will sell the principles, if we don't lose track of that. If the policies fall short of that direction, I won't support them.
@Smokin Joe
You are wasting your time. You will never convince anyone that doesn't want to be convinced. There will ALWAYS be a "yeah,but.....".
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You are wasting your time. You will never convince anyone that doesn't want to be convinced. There will ALWAYS be a "yeah,but.....".
There ya go.
Click your heels Dorothy, and only believe...
There's no place like home...
There's no place like home...
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The problem is that the Dems aren't so much globalist corporate cronies. They are Marxists, using Islamists and others for Global Socialism (Communism/Totalitarianism, let's call it what it is.).
@Smokin Joe
Labels don't work anymore now that the far left and the far right have merged into "Worldwide Government Incorporated".
It's ALL about control and economics now,and personal freedoms for anyone BUT the ruling class is considered to be an absurd concept by BY the ruling class.
Soros and Bloomberg are just two examples of this. Both have billions,and both are Communists that want to be dictators. Yet both CLAIM to be democrats.
What do you have when you mix communism and greed? You have Fascism/Nazism. Even the Communists and the Nazi's recogonized this basic truth in the late 30's,and they became allies.
The uncomfortable truth nobody wants to admit or even talk about is that at this late date,damned if the Nazi's didn't win,and a large percentage of them are Jewish. Who would have ever believed that would happen in 1945?
I guess what we need are new labels that are PC,yet truthful. Providing of course The Ministry of Truth will allow it.
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There ya go.
Click your heels Dorothy, and only believe...
There's no place like home...
There's no place like home...
But that was the Hollywood version. In the book she shuffled across the deadly sands on a rug.
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In the book she shuffled across the deadly sands on a rug.
My dog does that sometimes. **nononono* :whistle:
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My dog does that sometimes. **nononono* :whistle:
:silly:
That image always cracked me up, so long as it wasn't in my house...
:shrug: :whistle: :silly:
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That image always cracked me up, so long as it wasn't in my house...
:shrug: :whistle: :silly:
:silly: :silly: :beer: :seeya:
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Just one then others can fill in the blanks.
We are exporting more oil than ever. Conservative policies. Lot of money involved, which you seem to appreciate if nothing else.
Some one call? :patriot: :seeya: WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
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Howabout a gigantic discovery in the Bakken having very little to do with Tump?
You do not even know enough to get it right.
No discovery was made in the Bakken.
It was how to exploit it. And allowing pipelines to be constructed and environmental restrictions dampened certainly help exploit as timelines changed and costs were reduced.
There is a confidence factor that includes Trump's actions by industry.
It will not make any difference to you.
A Never Trumper will never admit Trump did anything anyway.
Do you need a donation for bullets for that rifle?
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It will not make any difference to you.
A Never Trumper will never admit Trump did anything anyway.
That's bullcrap. I have given him credit from time to time. When it was earned.
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Interesting thread. NO ONE IN MEDIA IS BEING FORCED TO COVER PRESIDENT TRUMP. Media is doing THAT, all by themselves.
President TRUMP can't be blamed for their behaviors.
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That's bullcrap. I have given him credit from time to time. When it was earned.
The time you complimented his suit does not count.
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Interesting thread. NO ONE IN MEDIA IS BEING FORCED TO COVER PRESIDENT TRUMP. Media is doing THAT, all by themselves.
President TRUMP can't be blamed for their behaviors.
and that response is why you are not to be included in the being stupid category as another poster declared.
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You do not even know enough to get it right.
No discovery was made in the Bakken.
It was how to exploit it. And allowing pipelines to be constructed and environmental restrictions dampened certainly help exploit as timelines changed and costs were reduced.
There is a confidence factor that includes Trump's actions by industry.
It will not make any difference to you.
A Never Trumper will never admit Trump did anything anyway.
Do you need a donation for bullets for that rifle?
:thumbsup:
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The time you complimented his suit does not count.
That really is not right. Or fair.
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That really is not right. Or fair.
But it was funny as shit!
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But it was funny as shit!
Really? I thought it rather pedestrian... Other than the hilarity of suits in the first place...
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But it was funny as shit!
Don't you miss Frank Cannon? I sure do.
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Don't you miss Frank Cannon? I sure do.
Hell yes. The guy was a marvel.
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Hell yes. The guy was a marvel.
Guess he is still adjusting to beach life after the move to Florida instead of doing his real job on entertaining us.
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That's bullcrap. I have given him credit from time to time. When it was earned.
@roamer_1
For the love of God!! 888mouth
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and that response is why you are not to be included in the being stupid category as another poster declared.
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@roamer_1
For the love of God!! 888mouth
What? I'm on the record. Look it up.
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You do not even know enough to get it right.
No discovery was made in the Bakken.
It was how to exploit it. And allowing pipelines to be constructed and environmental restrictions dampened certainly help exploit as timelines changed and costs were reduced.
There is a confidence factor that includes Trump's actions by industry.
It will not make any difference to you.
A Never Trumper will never admit Trump did anything anyway.
Do you need a donation for bullets for that rifle?
Hello.
I am a wellsite (exploration) geologist.
I worked my first Bakken vertical well in 1980--it was a fluke.
I worked my first Bakken Horizontal well in 2000.
I worked horizontal Bakken wells for fifteen years, did exploration work in the DJ, Permian, Paradox Basins and in Nevada for a bit, and am now back working Bakken/Three Forks wells again.
While the Bakken was known to produce in spots on the Nesson Anticline and the Billings Nose (structural features in the Williston Basin), what was yet to be discovered was this: that the Bakken would produce in much larger areas of the Basin, including the Elm Coulee Field (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Coulee_Oil_Field) in Montana, independent of structural considerations, so long as it had been charged with oil. That the Sanish Sand, in a relatively limited area of a downthrown fault block near the town of Sanish, ND, just below the lower Bakken Shale would produce, had been known since the late 50s, from vertical well production. That the Three Forks formation, underlying the Bakken in most of the Basin would also produce wasn't known, not until we started drilling horizontal wells in it, too. That the second bench of the Three Forks, where shows had been noted in vertical wells but not produced, would produce in parts of the Basin was not known until we put some laterals in it as well. That there was a lot of experimentation with everything from drilling techniques, tools, well configurations, rig design, etc. in order to exploit the discovery is a matter of record, and it has been great to have been present through all of it.
So you can act as if there was no discovery, but we'd all laugh you out the door. There were plenty of discoveries, the biggest being the concept of a true unconventional reservoir, where the hydrocarbons were distributed throughout a very large area of relatively low porosity and permeability regardless of structure, and that properly done, that could be produced at a profit. That concept is being used worldwide to produce oil and gas today.
As for development, it was continuing anyway, it just required more (and better) rail cars. Loading facilities were handling much of the oil being transported out, albeit the railroads and oil companies were coming under fire for a few rail accidents, not the least the Lac Megantic screwup and a couple of others, but in spite of those mishaps, nearly a million barrels of oil were being transported by rail, and much still is.
Trump put an end to the farce that was the "water protectors protest" holding up completion of the Dakota Access Pipeline, and that is now carrying a half million barrels of oil per day out. 90% of the people arrested in conjunction with those protests were from out of State, and that crap included three incidents where enclosures were broken into and active pipeline valves tampered with. The operators caught the action and shut down the lines before damage could occur.
The other area where Trump has helped is where there are multiple permits required on the relatively small area under Federal Control in the Williston Basin in order to construct feeder pipelines to gather oil and gas from wells on Federal (BLM) land. These are Obama/Democrat holdover regulations designed to make it more difficult for those who obtained the myriad permits to construct drilling locations, access roads, etc. and drill wells to actually produce them. Coupled with limits on flaring gas (a byproduct of oil production), and being unable to transport that raw wellhead gas to processing facilities via feeder pipelines (which require even more permits to construct), production would have to be severely choked back or halted--hard to make money that way. So all that is being cleared up.
But to act as if Trump, a relative newcomer to the scene, is the only reason or way this oil is being produced is utter nonsense. To act as if there was no discovery made, when the USGS almost annually has revised producible oil reserves upward is folly.
Some of Trump's policies have facilitated getting that oil to market, which removes discounts and acts as incentive for increased production and continuing development (beyond enough production to hold the leases), and that has streamlined the process of getting that oil to refineries.
Might I note, the Bakken 'boom' started quietly in Montana about the turn of the century, picked up in North Dakota about 2006, and continues to this day. Prior to that, however, Bakken oil production was a relative rarity, written off as nonproductive.
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Hello.
I am a wellsite (exploration) geologist.
I worked my first Bakken vertical well in 1980--it was a fluke.
I worked my first Bakken Horizontal well in 2000.
I worked horizontal Bakken wells for fifteen years, did exploration work in the DJ, Permian, Paradox Basins and in Nevada for a bit, and am now back working Bakken/Three Forks wells again.
While the Bakken was known to produce in spots on the Nesson Anticline and the Billings Nose (structural features in the Williston Basin), what was yet to be discovered was this: that the Bakken would produce in much larger areas of the Basin, including the Elm Coulee Field (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Coulee_Oil_Field) in Montana, independent of structural considerations, so long as it had been charged with oil. That the Sanish Sand, in a relatively limited area of a downthrown fault block near the town of Sanish, ND, just below the lower Bakken Shale would produce, had been known since the late 50s, from vertical well production. That the Three Forks formation, underlying the Bakken in most of the Basin would also produce wasn't known, not until we started drilling horizontal wells in it, too. That the second bench of the Three Forks, where shows had been noted in vertical wells but not produced, would produce in parts of the Basin was not known until we put some laterals in it as well. That there was a lot of experimentation with everything from drilling techniques, tools, well configurations, rig design, etc. in order to exploit the discovery is a matter of record, and it has been great to have been present through all of it.
So you can act as if there was no discovery, but we'd all laugh you out the door. There were plenty of discoveries, the biggest being the concept of a true unconventional reservoir, where the hydrocarbons were distributed throughout a very large area of relatively low porosity and permeability regardless of structure, and that properly done, that could be produced at a profit. That concept is being used worldwide to produce oil and gas today.
As for development, it was continuing anyway, it just required more (and better) rail cars. Loading facilities were handling much of the oil being transported out, albeit the railroads and oil companies were coming under fire for a few rail accidents, not the least the Lac Megantic screwup and a couple of others, but in spite of those mishaps, nearly a million barrels of oil were being transported by rail, and much still is.
Trump put an end to the farce that was the "water protectors protest" holding up completion of the Dakota Access Pipeline, and that is now carrying a half million barrels of oil per day out. 90% of the people arrested in conjunction with those protests were from out of State, and that crap included three incidents where enclosures were broken into and active pipeline valves tampered with. The operators caught the action and shut down the lines before damage could occur.
The other area where Trump has helped is where there are multiple permits required on the relatively small area under Federal Control in the Williston Basin in order to construct feeder pipelines to gather oil and gas from wells on Federal (BLM) land. These are Obama/Democrat holdover regulations designed to make it more difficult for those who obtained the myriad permits to construct drilling locations, access roads, etc. and drill wells to actually produce them. Coupled with limits on flaring gas (a byproduct of oil production), and being unable to transport that raw wellhead gas to processing facilities via feeder pipelines (which require even more permits to construct), production would have to be severely choked back or halted--hard to make money that way. So all that is being cleared up.
But to act as if Trump, a relative newcomer to the scene, is the only reason or way this oil is being produced is utter nonsense. To act as if there was no discovery made, when the USGS almost annually has revised producible oil reserves upward is folly.
Some of Trump's policies have facilitated getting that oil to market, which removes discounts and acts as incentive for increased production and continuing development (beyond enough production to hold the leases), and that has streamlined the process of getting that oil to refineries.
Might I note, the Bakken 'boom' started quietly in Montana about the turn of the century, picked up in North Dakota about 2006, and continues to this day. Prior to that, however, Bakken oil production was a relative rarity, written off as nonproductive.
I know your credentials quite well @Smokin Joe and worked the Williston myself for a number of years.
To say the Bakken is a relatively recent 'discovery' is akin to saying the Permian is a relatively recent 'discovery' as well.
Perhaps I am old fashioned, but I call a discovery a horizon where oil was found whether commercial or not. Examples abound such as the many structures found to contain oil offshore but could not be commercially exploited.
Other than that, we have no issue and I agree with your analysis.
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I know your credentials quite well @Smokin Joe and worked the Williston myself for a number of years.
To say the Bakken is a relatively recent 'discovery' is akin to saying the Permian is a relatively recent 'discovery' as well.
Perhaps I am old fashioned, but I call a discovery a horizon where oil was found whether commercial or not. Examples abound such as the many structures found to contain oil offshore but could not be commercially exploited.
Other than that, we have no issue and I agree with your analysis.
I think our difference is only a matter of semantics.
Let me put it a tad differently, then. 'Discoveries' were usually a matter of formation involved and location.
If you'd 'found' a Bakken well on the Nesson Anticline or the Billings Nose, you might not consider that a discovery, because production was known, albeit not common, from both areas.
But that Bakken wells could be economical virtually anywhere in the deep basin and in Elm Coulee, is a discovery. It's one thing finding out a formation can produce here or there, in this field or that, another thing entirely finding out it can produce over 10,000 square miles.
It would be like saying the Red River development in Bowman County wasn't a discovery because production was already known from the Red River in the Beaver Lodge Field.
YMMV
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@Smokin Joe
Yes, he made it all happen, from the time he started his first campaign. He has made sure he is on TV every day and that is his goal - keep causing turmoil every day so newspapers and general websites and news sites write/speak about him - again, every day. He has no other goal than this. Malignant Narcissist.
He has done this all his adult life. Would use fake names and call newspapers telling them what "Trump" had done that day, so he would get in the papers every day. Then got his TV program for more publicity.
He will find something else to keep him in the news every day when he is no longer president.
That may be what Trump does, but he hadn't made either Democrats (or the certain NT'ers Brooks was criticizing) stupid, intolerant, shrill, nasty, divisive, or any of that. All Trump did was expose the nastiness, condescension, and divisiveness many Democrats already had towards the rest of us. And the stupidity.
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That may be what Trump does, but he hadn't made either Democrats (or the certain NT'ers Brooks was criticizing) stupid, intolerant, shrill, nasty, divisive, or any of that. All Trump did was expose the nastiness, condescension, and divisiveness many Democrats already had towards the rest of us. And the stupidity.
It’s kinda like our current situation. Trump targets and successfully takes out a prolific terrorist with a 30-year history of killing and maiming Americans and the left is worried Trump’s actions could inflame terrorists to kill and maim Americans.
Huh?
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It’s kinda like our current situation. Trump targets and successfully takes out a prolific terrorist with a 30-year history of killing and maiming Americans and the left is worried Trump’s actions could inflame terrorists to kill and maim Americans.
Huh?
That's the argument I absolutely don't understand at all. Soleimani was already doing all the things people are complaining that Iran might do in retaliation for him being killed. The biggest problem -- and David Petraeus pointed this out in his statement about the killing of Soleimani - was that our deterrence had evaporated. And the reason it had evaporated was that the Obama Administration had decided that not offending/provoking Iran was the best way to get Iran to modify its behavior. That absolutely did not work.
At the barest minimum, killing Soleimani put Iran on notice that we would retaliate harshly, and disproportionately, if they attacked U.S. soldiers, citizens, and assets, even via proxies. So when Iran stared down the barrel of that gun while contemplating retaliation, they backed down. And they backed down because that was the most rational course of action for them when faced with the potential for escalation that would be far more disastrous for them than for us.
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Major, we usually agree, but I do not agree Iran backed down. The USA and their allies had several hours prior notice to prepare for the missile attack the Iranians showered on our positions. Had we not had advance warning, we might have seen a score or more casualties. And I do not believe the Iranians have been taught a lesson.
I fully expect with Russian backing the Iranians continuing the attacks on the USA. I think Trump should levy sanctions on Iran to shut the country down completely. Expect attacks this summer and this fall. They will assume Trump's hands are tied with the idiotic and traitorous actions taken by the House.
The communists of today are no different than the communists of the 50s. The difference is that they did not hold seats in Congress and were not in a position to harm America in the 50s like today.
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Major, we usually agree, but I do not agree Iran backed down. The USA and their allies had several hours prior notice to prepare for the missile attack the Iranians showered on our positions. Had we not had advance warning, we might have seen a score or more casualties. And I do not believe the Iranians have been taught a lesson.
United States officials used a secret backchannel to communicate with Iran in recent days, sending messages via Swiss intermediaries warning Iran not to retaliate so harshly that it would further provoke President Donald Trump, The New York Times reported Saturday.
The messages came not long after the Trump administration authorized strikes that killed the top Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani, immediately escalating tensions between the US and Iran.
The Wall Street Journal reported earlier Saturday morning that the Trump administration sent an encrypted fax to Iran just hours after killing Soleimani, warning not to escalate.
And how did we manage to know that far ahead of time where they were going to hit...?
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-swiss-intermediaries-backchannel-communicate-iran-2020-1 (https://www.businessinsider.com/us-swiss-intermediaries-backchannel-communicate-iran-2020-1)
We killed the No. 2 guy in Iran, their absolute key player in the ME. Everyone and their brother was expecting a devastating retaliation, and perhaps all out war with Iran if the U.S. then responded. But we told Iran that if they did that, Trump would massively and disproportionately retaliate against them again. So, they launched 15 face-savings missiles (out of more than a 1000 in their inventory), and killed nobody. Then immediately told us that was it -- even after knowing that they didn't kill a single American. Why didn't they then launch additional strikes to do some actual damage?
Now maybe they'll do something down the road...but of course, they'd have done all that even if we'd done nothing. But their retaliation was about as perfunctory as it can get, and clearly far different from what was predicted. To me, that's pretty much the definition of standing down, with the purpose of the missiles being not to retaliate in fact, but simply to be able to molify domestic demands for retaliation. Oh, and they also lied to their people and said they'd killed at least 30 Americans.
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Now maybe they'll do something down the road...but of course, they'd have done all that even if we'd done nothing.
Of course they will. It won't have anything to do with Solmeini (sp). It will have to do with what they have been doing all along.
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And yes, there have been more attacks since the initial missile attack. They said today five missiles were fired today or yesterday, and there was one or two more attacks with no results.
Look at the missiles thrown at Israel with no impact. I think it is much the same.
But should one missile hit and kill Americans, and I say we take out one refinery a day until they end their hostilities, and withdraw anyone from Iraq and Syria they have deployed.
And then if they continue, I say hit them with every MOAB bomb in our inventory.
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And yes, there have been more attacks since the initial missile attack. They said today five missiles were fired today or yesterday, and there was one or two more attacks with no results.
Look at the missiles thrown at Israel with no impact. I think it is much the same.
But should one missile hit and kill Americans, and I say we take out one refinery a day until they end their hostilities, and withdraw anyone from Iraq and Syria they have deployed.
And then if they continue, I say hit them with every MOAB bomb in our inventory.
MOABs will take out general population, civilians. While we might be prepared to use that if need be, I don't think anything is to be gained by killing and/or alienating the very people we'd like to see dethrone the mullahs and restore the country to sanity. They are the force multiplier, and if you don't listen to the MSM so much, are agitating in the face of a nasty regime for change there. Keep any retaliation surgical, take out people up the food chain, specific military targets--something we can do, as we have shown.
We can always escalate later.
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MOABs will take out general population, civilians. While we might be prepared to use that if need be, I don't think anything is to be gained by killing and/or alienating the very people we'd like to see dethrone the mullahs and restore the country to sanity. They are the force multiplier, and if you don't listen to the MSM so much, are agitating in the face of a nasty regime for change there. Keep any retaliation surgical, take out people up the food chain, specific military targets--something we can do, as we have shown.
We can always escalate later.
Right you are. keep the cockroaches scurrying for cover at every knock on the door or sound of a jet. After a few kills it won’t be long before they’ll beg for a negotiation.