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SOURCE: NATIONAL REVIEW
URL: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453706/alabama-senate-race-reject-roy-moore-character-matters-write-in-jeff-sessions (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453706/alabama-senate-race-reject-roy-moore-character-matters-write-in-jeff-sessions)
by Ben Shapiro
Was a 14-year-old girl molested by Alabama Senate Republican candidate Roy Moore, or is she lying? It’s a yes-or-no question.
Was a 16-year-old girl sexually assaulted by Moore, or is she lying? Again, it’s a yes-or-no question.
Finally, do you believe that there are conditions under which a child molester should sit in the United States Senate? Again, this question is binary.
Yet many conservatives seem to be seeking a third answer to all three of these questions, mostly to avoid giving straight answers.
Let’s begin with the first question: Did Roy Moore molest a 14-year-old girl? Did he meet her at an Alabama courthouse, get her phone number, pick her up from her mother’s home, and drive her to his own, proceed to undress her and touch her sexually, then force her to touch him? Or was this all made up?
Brevity-Its' the Rules
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RE: didn’t “generally” date teenagers when he was in his 30s,
THAT MEANS THAT HE DID.
Some questions:
- What is the age of consent in Alabama?
- What did "dating" teens consist of? How far did they go?
RE: “I’m not going to dispute anything, but I don’t remember anything like that”
That tells me that he is trying to dodge the question. A man who has nothing to hide would say -- I DID NOT DO ANYTHING IMMORAL. This is not the answer that assures.
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RE: didn’t “generally” date teenagers when he was in his 30s,
THAT MEANS THAT HE DID.
Some questions:
- What is the age of consent in Alabama?
- What did "dating" teens consist of? How far did they go?
RE: “I’m not going to dispute anything, but I don’t remember anything like that”
That tells me that he is trying to dodge the question. A man who has nothing to hide would say -- I DID NOT DO ANYTHING IMMORAL. This is not the answer that assures.
When the debate field has been set up with the premise that "Dating Teenagers= Molesting 14 year old girl", It would become difficult to admit you dated teenagers.
Had the accusation simply been "He dated teenagers", it would have been one thing. But by including the "He molested a 14 year old girl" and implying that dating teenagers establishes this other accusation as true, it becomes another thing.
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RE: didn’t “generally” date teenagers when he was in his 30s,
THAT MEANS THAT HE DID.
Some questions:
- What is the age of consent in Alabama?
- What did "dating" teens consist of? How far did they go?
RE: “I’m not going to dispute anything, but I don’t remember anything like that”
That tells me that he is trying to dodge the question. A man who has nothing to hide would say -- I DID NOT DO ANYTHING IMMORAL. This is not the answer that assures.
The problem is that for sure he went on one date with an 18 y/o. Legal but still a teenager, as is 19. So if he said he didn't date teenagers he would be lying, but so far there's no proof of anyone underage.
That of course wouldn't stop the media from hanging him on it.
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When the debate field has been set up with the premise that "Dating Teenagers= Molesting 14 year old girl", It would become difficult to admit you dated teenagers.
Had the accusation simply been "He dated teenagers", it would have been one thing. But by including the "He molested a 14 year old girl" and implying that dating teenagers establishes this other accusation as true, it becomes another thing.
I think the rush to judgement on claims of crimes from 40 years before is terrible. The age of consent in AL. is 16 or 17. Judge Moore was returning to his hometown after serving in the military in his early 30's. It wasn't very likely that he was going to find ladies to date in their mid to late 20's. Also, he says that any lady he dated was with her mother's permission. I'm not buying any of these allegations.
The willingness of Pubs to throw Judge Moore under the bus is just one more nail in the coffin for the Pub party. Whatever happened to show me the proof? The only evidence is testimony of women that claim something happened 40 years ago. This hysteria reminds me of the McMartin child abuse case 30 years ago(?). In this case the operators of a daycare ctr. were accused of all kinds of child molestation, tearful testimony of infants and parents were enough to prosecute the couple. After a long expensive court process people finally woke up and saw it was a witch hunt from the get go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial
Just like the 1980's witch hunts over child abuse where any allegation was automatically believed to be fact and the defendant was responsible for proving their innocence today any claim of sex abuse is believed and the defendant is responsible for proving their innocence. I don't believe any accusations made 40 years after the fact.
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How will Republicans decide on Roy Moore? Perhaps they’ll convince themselves that Moore is innocent; perhaps they’ll convince themselves that the ends justify the means. Or perhaps they’ll make an objective judgment about the allegations against Moore and remind themselves that character still matters in life and even in politics.
How about they use their brains and measure the fruits of the last 40 years of public service Moore has been engaged and involved in? Does it suggest this guy possesses unrepentant serial abusive sexual behavior with women other than his wife? Does it say that Moore cannot be trusted with the office Alabama's citizens want him to minister them from?
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Let me boil this down to two words: Herman Cain.
What happened to Cain is near identical to the tactic being pulled on Moore, almost to the letter.
Multiple accusers, shady accusers, stories that didn't add up. Accusations of assault. Gloria Allred jumping in.
And guess what? Herman Cain dropped out, and all the accusers went away into the woodwork. Not a peep since.
Now we have this wash.rinse.repeat being done on Moore. And people wonder why a number of us here are skeptical?
Anyone who knows what happened to Herman Cain can understand why we want concrete proof.
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An honest Conservative should push for repeal of the 17th Amendment. Then we wouldn't be in this mess.
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An honest Conservative should push for repeal of the 17th Amendment. Then we wouldn't be in this mess.
:amen: 888high58888 :beer:
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Any evil so grave that we must elect sexual abusers to stop it is an evil that merits a violent response.
Yeah, that's not going to happen any time soon. If violence gets drawn into this, the government will slaughter the perpetrators.
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The problem is that for sure he went on one date with an 18 y/o. Legal but still a teenager, as is 19. So if he said he didn't date teenagers he would be lying, but so far there's no proof of anyone underage.
Princess Diana married Charles when he was 34 and she was just 20. Did they date prior to the marriage? If so, then what's the problem? Nobody called that relationship yucky.
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Princess Diana married Charles when he was 34 and she was just 20. Did they date prior to the marriage? If so, then what's the problem? Nobody called that relationship yucky.
It doesn't fit the current narrative the media and the Oligarchy running the Beast need in order to ensure their rule is not jeopardized by someone who might not follow orders.
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Seems to me the best thing is to elect him, then deal with him if the allegations are proven.
That keeps the seat away from the Dems, without cheating (changing the election date just because your side is in trouble). If the allegations aren't proven the Dems didn't get to use their trick.
Actually, the best thing, if he knows there's nothing to find, might be for Moore to come out with both barrels and point out to the world that this is just a dirty trick.
OK, what are the CHANCES now of Moore winning this election come December with all these allegations coming out and with Republicans left and right distancing themselves from him?
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How Should Honest Conservatives Decide the Roy Moore Case Come Election Day?
Excellent. Some Kalifornia moron is going to inject his morals on AL voters. Maybe if Benny didn't live in a shithole state, he might have some authority on the matter, but considering there isn't one elected GOPer in the CA anymore he should mind his own business.
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Princess Diana married Charles when he was 34 and she was just 20. Did they date prior to the marriage? If so, then what's the problem? Nobody called that relationship yucky.
It actually was pretty yucky. Charles was a goofy looking and weird fellow, and Diana could have done a lot better.
But it wasn't yucky because of the age difference, though that didn't help.
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Seems to me the best thing is to elect him, then deal with him if the allegations are proven.
That keeps the seat away from the Dems, without cheating (changing the election date just because your side is in trouble). If the allegations aren't proven the Dems didn't get to use their trick.
Actually, the best thing, if he knows there's nothing to find, might be for Moore to come out with both barrels and point out to the world that this is just a dirty trick.
OK, what are the CHANCES now of Moore winning this election come December with all these allegations coming out and with Republicans left and right distancing themselves from him?
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OK, what are the CHANCES now of Moore winning this election come December with all these allegations coming out and with Republicans left and right distancing themselves from him?
Does it matter?
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OK, what are the CHANCES now of Moore winning this election come December with all these allegations coming out and with Republicans left and right distancing themselves from him?
Better than fair. Unless somebody actually proves something, I'll bet he'll win
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Posted in the editorial section too.... well, Ben Shapiro in Sunny San Diego, I disagree with some of his views in the past, per voting. So, he's tackling a hot topic but I'd rather here what Shapiro's debate sparring partner Jesse Lee Peterson says, JLP is from that state too.
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Some questions:
- What is the age of consent in Alabama?
- What did "dating" teens consist of? How far did they go?
Pretty simple answers. "16" is the answer to the first one.
https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/alabama-age-of-consent-lawyers.html?redesigned=1
The second depends on what evidence exists. Which we're not going to see, if McConnell and his friends have anything to say about it. We are to take his, McCain's and Flake's word for it.
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OK, what are the CHANCES now of Moore winning this election come December with all these allegations coming out and with Republicans left and right distancing themselves from him?
About the same as Trump's were of winning the general election last year. It's a longshot, but doable. Plus, this is Alabama, where there's still a GOP advantage.
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About the same as Trump's were of winning the general election last year. It's a longshot, but doable. Plus, this is Alabama, where there's still a GOP advantage.
Alabamans are a rather proud group, as a people. Deepest of the Deep South. They are probably laughing off the firestorm, except for the folks in Birmingham and Montgomery, and the college towns. But they were all pretty much anti-Moore anyway.
They are likely to show a good turnout as a way of flipping the Beltway media the finger. Especially if the worst allegations are unproven at election time.
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Easy. Look at the historical record. The last 40 years of a proven Roy Moore in office vs some unsubstantiated claims from virtually unknowns.
Use the Clarence Thomas model and he will overcome.
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OK, what are the CHANCES now of Moore winning this election come December with all these allegations coming out and with Republicans left and right distancing themselves from him?
I don't know, I just know what I would do if I was a AL voter.
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Free Vulcan wrote:
"the problem is that for sure he went on one date with an 18 y/o. Legal but still a teenager, as is 19. So if he said he didn't date teenagers he would be lying, but so far there's no proof of anyone underage."
Let's get things straight here.
The age of consent in Alabama back then -- as it is today -- was 16 years of age.
That means that as soon as a girl reaches her sixteenth birthday, she is regarded by law insofar as "matters sexual" are concerned as an adult, fully capable of giving consent to a male for whatever sexual behavior in which they choose to engage.
I see nothin' wrong with a guy in his early 30's going after 17 or 18-year olds if he can win them. Those who disagree can kiss my greasy butt.
Like the Tom T. Hall song goes:
Faster horses...
Younger women...
Older whiskey...
More money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFKdXV63_Cc
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I see nothin' wrong with a guy in his early 30's going after 17 or 18-year olds if he can win them. Those who disagree can kiss my greasy butt.
The issue is not his dating them. In fact, according to what we know, he ASKED one of the girl's parents for permission to date her.
That was an honorable thing to do.
The issue would be:
* What did he do with/to them during the date?
* Then there's the matter of the then 14 year old ( who seems to be not credible based on her record of divorces, bankruptcies, etc. )
* Then there's the matter of the then 16 year old who claims he sexually assaulted her. Of course this woman's step son has come out and called her a LIAR.
See here:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/stepson-roy-moore-accuser-says-shes-lying-stand-behind-judge-100-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/stepson-roy-moore-accuser-says-shes-lying-stand-behind-judge-100-video/)
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Like the Tom T. Hall song goes:
Faster horses...
Younger women...
Older whiskey...
More money.
Well, there are the Beatles songs:
I SAW HER STANDING THERE:
Well, she was just 17
You know what I mean
And the way she looked was way beyond compare
So how could I dance with another (Ooh)
When I saw her standing there
Well she looked at me, and I, I could see
That before too long I'd fall in love with her
She wouldn't dance with another (Whooh)
When I saw her standing there
Well, my heart went "boom"
When I crossed that room
And I held her hand in mine...
Whoah, we danced through the night
And we held each other tight
And before too long I fell in love with her
Now I'll never dance with another (Whooh)
Since I saw her standing there
And then there's the hit song: YOU'RE 16, YOU'RE BEAUTIFUL AND YOU'RE MINE: (Made popular again by Ringo Starr )
You come on like a dream, peaches and cream
Lips like strawberry wine
You're sixteen, you're beautiful and you're mine
You're all ribbons and curls, ooh, what a girl
Eyes that sparkle and shine
You're sixteen, you're beautiful and you're mine
You're my baby, you're my pet
We fell in love on the night we met
You touched my hand, my heart went pop
Ooh, when we kissed I could not stop
You walked out of my dreams and into my arms
Now you're my angel divine
You're sixteen, you're beautiful and you're mine
All mine, all mine, all mine
All mine, all mine, all mine
WHY WEREN'T PEOPLE CALLING THE ABOVE LYRICS IMMORAL WHEN THEY WERE RADIO HITS?
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Easy. Look at the historical record. The last 40 years of a proven Roy Moore in office vs some unsubstantiated claims from virtually unknowns.
Use the Clarence Thomas model and he will overcome.
The problem is the Pub party rallied around Justice Thomas. Today they have abandoned Justice Moore.
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Better than fair. Unless somebody actually proves something, I'll bet he'll win
@roamer_1
Latest poll Democrat is 9 points ahead.
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A Honest Conservative, votes for him. Anything less lets innuendo/regressive tactics win.
If this was true... would have come out long before now.... and certainly before just weeks from election.
Shame on anyone who lets this crap influence their vote...shame.
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@roamer_1
Latest poll Democrat is 9 points ahead.
@Victoria33
Latest poll is by the NRSC - an organ of McConnell and senate leadership.
I don't believe it. McConnell has an axe to grind.
RCP average is Moore +3
Two actual polls have been done since this load of crap came down. One is Moore +6 and the other is Moore +10.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2017/senate/al/alabama_senate_special_election_moore_vs_jones-6271.html
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A Honest Conservative, votes for him. Anything less lets innuendo/regressive tactics win.
If this was true... would have come out long before now.... and certainly before just weeks from election.
Shame on anyone who lets this crap influence their vote...shame.
Absolutely agree! 100% The whole thing REEKS of political hit job!
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A Honest Conservative, votes for him. Anything less lets innuendo/regressive tactics win.
If this was true... would have come out long before now.... and certainly before just weeks from election.
Shame on anyone who lets this crap influence their vote...shame.
That's right.
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A Honest Conservative, votes for him. Anything less lets innuendo/regressive tactics win.
If this was true... would have come out long before now.... and certainly before just weeks from election.
Shame on anyone who lets this crap influence their vote...shame.
I really don't see much point in voting anymore, if people can be simply bumped off ballots because somebody created a scandal. Certainly not a lot of point in running for anything.
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I really don't see much point in voting anymore, if people can be simply bumped off ballots because somebody created a scandal. Certainly not a lot of point in running for anything.
And that Sir is the ENTIRE explanation of WHY it's being done! They don't WANT anyone they don't hand pick running for anything ever again!
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@Victoria33
Latest poll is by the NRSC - an organ of McConnell and senate leadership.
I don't believe it. McConnell has an axe to grind.
RCP average is Moore +3
Two actual polls have been done since this load of crap came down. One is Moore +6 and the other is Moore +10.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2017/senate/al/alabama_senate_special_election_moore_vs_jones-6271.html
Is that before or after the latest batch of scandal?
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And that Sir is the ENTIRE explanation of WHY it's being done! They don't WANT anyone they don't hand pick running for anything ever again!
Yeah, I thought this was pretty well established after the Akin thing.
"If voting made any difference, it would be illegal."
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I really don't see much point in voting anymore, if people can be simply bumped off ballots because somebody created a scandal. Certainly not a lot of point in running for anything.
Well, when the ballot box is closed off. It only leaves the last box.
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Well, when the ballot box is closed off. It only leaves the last box.
Yeah and I'm a little long in the tooth for that!
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Yeah and I'm a little long in the tooth for that!
Me Too 888high58888
Still, I can make you more than nervous at 500 yrd.... with ironsights. I'll have to leave maneuver to the kids though.
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@Victoria33
@roamer_1
Women are dumping him - I knew they would; that poll for Democrat +9 is right. I checked how they did it. They called households who voted in the general election. It was a fair poll.
Once women walk into the voting booth - they will not vote for him. Just like they won't say anything when accosted by men, they won't necessarily tell anyone they won't vote for him - but when in the booth, they either won't vote for either or they will vote for the Dem. If Moore wins, it will be because more men came out to vote for him than voted for him the last time. This has become a women vs. men election. That is the psychology that has taken over. Saw five women interviewed yesterday, they have all changed their vote.
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@roamer_1
Women are dumping him - I knew they would; that poll for Democrat +9 is right. I checked how they did it. They called households who voted in the general election. It was a fair poll.
Once women walk into the voting booth - they will not vote for him. Just like they won't say anything when accosted by men, they won't necessarily tell anyone they won't vote for him - but when in the booth, they either won't vote for either or they will vote for the Dem. If Moore wins, it will be because more men came out to vote for him than voted for him the last time. This has become a women vs. men election. That is the psychology that has taken over. Saw five women interviewed yesterday, they have all changed their vote.
That's the beauty of a sex scandal.
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Me Too 888high58888
Still, I can make you more than nervous at 500 yrd.... with ironsights. I'll have to leave maneuver to the kids though.
I'm not going to get into what I can do but I will say 500 yards is a chip shot.
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@roamer_1
Women are dumping him - I knew they would; that poll for Democrat +9 is right. I checked how they did it. They called households who voted in the general election. It was a fair poll.
Once women walk into the voting booth - they will not vote for him. Just like they won't say anything when accosted by men, they won't necessarily tell anyone they won't vote for him - but when in the booth, they either won't vote for either or they will vote for the Dem. If Moore wins, it will be because more men came out to vote for him than voted for him the last time. This has become a women vs. men election. That is the psychology that has taken over. Saw five women interviewed yesterday, they have all changed their vote.
@Victoria33
I don't buy it for a minute. And I don't think Alabamans will either.
They are pretty used to city folks telling em what for, and the reaction to that will always be the same.
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I'm not going to get into what I can do but I will say 500 yards is a chip shot.
Wait a minute..we are talking golf right... right? :whistle:
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Wait a minute..we are talking golf right... right? :whistle:
Of course! Why would anyone think otherwise? :chairbang:
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Is that before or after the latest batch of scandal?
@Cyber Liberty
Here is the very latest - Moore is down 12 points.
"A new poll from the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the campaign arm of the Senate Republicans, has Moore trailing his Democratic opponent Doug Jones by 12 points, percentage points, 51% to 39%, according to data obtained by TIME. The poll was first reported by Politico.
The poll was conducted among 500 registered voters. November 12 and 13, three and four days after the Washington Post published its story detailing accounts from four women about the way Mooore pursued them when they were teenagers. Also on November 13, a fifth accuser, Beverly Young Nelson, came forward with allegations that Moore had assaulted her when she was sixteen and he was a District Attorney."
That is the women vote dumping him.
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Of course! Why would anyone think otherwise? :chairbang:
Ah yes, a hole in one. Best shot in golf...Evar.
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@Victoria33
I don't buy it for a minute. And I don't think Alabamans will either.
They are pretty used to city folks telling em what for, and the reaction to that will always be the same.
@roamer_1
You are a lot of things, all good, but you are not a woman.
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@Cyber Liberty
Here is the very latest - Moore is down 12 points.
"A new poll from the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the campaign arm of the Senate Republicans, has Moore trailing his Democratic opponent Doug Jones by 12 points, percentage points, 51% to 39%, according to data obtained by TIME. The poll was first reported by Politico.
The poll was conducted among 500 registered voters. November 12 and 13, three and four days after the Washington Post published its story detailing accounts from four women about the way Mooore pursued them when they were teenagers. Also on November 13, a fifth accuser, Beverly Young Nelson, came forward with allegations that Moore had assaulted her when she was sixteen and he was a District Attorney."
That is the women vote dumping him.
Yup. It's a beautiful thing. You know we'll never find out the truth, right?
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@Cyber Liberty
Here is the very latest - Moore is down 12 points.
"A new poll from the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the campaign arm of the Senate Republicans, has Moore trailing his Democratic opponent Doug Jones by 12 points, percentage points, 51% to 39%, according to data obtained by TIME. The poll was first reported by Politico.
The poll was conducted among 500 registered voters. November 12 and 13, three and four days after the Washington Post published its story detailing accounts from four women about the way Mooore pursued them when they were teenagers. Also on November 13, a fifth accuser, Beverly Young Nelson, came forward with allegations that Moore had assaulted her when she was sixteen and he was a District Attorney."
That is the women vote dumping him.
And Mitch McConnell's push polls are entirely worthless! Don't mean a thing!
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That is the women vote dumping him.
That is NRSC lynching his ass. At the RINO leaderships behest.
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@roamer_1
You are a lot of things, all good, but you are not a woman.
I don't have to be. I know how Country folks do, and I'll bank on that.
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And Mitch McConnell's push polls are entirely worthless! Don't mean a thing!
Who are you kidding. Mitch the Turtles poll is so limp he can't piss without sitting down.
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Conservatives should remember who and what stands to gain from destroying Roy Moore and preventing him from becoming a Senator.
Conservatives should remember the Putin Dog and Pony Show these same political creatures from the black lagoon foisted on them for month after month after month and how it blew up on them, not Trump.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTI5fWf8qe4&feature=youtu.be
Conservatives need to ask themselves, Why on earth would we believe you now that you've had almost a year to rework your tactics/game, and run it all over again on Roy Moore.
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I don't have to be. I know how Country folks do, and I'll bank on that.
@roamer_1
When it comes to a woman and her body, you don't have a clue because you are not one - whether women live in the city or the country, they have the same body and the same feelings about it. In actuality, every woman knows she is not safe outside her home (and some aren't safe in it). She is weaker than a man and that truth is always with her.
Now, we have men killing groups of people and a woman is bound to feel more fearful than one or two years ago. The women in Alabama are just like women in every other state. Their "core" is the same. They may not be able to explain that, but they are.
I'll do you a favor and not explain men to you. :silly:
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According to information posted on Twitter by Allahpundit, Moore’s lawyer was disbarred in 2013, then tried to get work from bereaved parents by posing as a preacher.
Screw this. If these are the clowns and child gropers the right thinks are suitable for public consumption, I’d rather go establishment. Or just be done with politics entirely. It’s beyond embarrassing...at this point it’s an SNL skit.
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Anybody remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3NJ45CbepA
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The women in Alabama are just like women in every other state. Their "core" is the same. They may not be able to explain that, but they are.
@Victoria33
Women in Alabama will not be swayed by most of this stuff - The whole basis of this thing is that he is preying on young girls - Women in Alabama KNOW what country courting is, and will be far less concerned about the age disparity that all y'all find so offensive.
The only evidence is a highly questionable yearbook, that has now officially been requested for examination... to determine its validity
All the rest - ALL of it - is nothing but gossip, forty years old, and country gals won't set no store by that.
We'll see. But I'll bet he wins it hands down. And if he don't he won't step down, he won't back up, and he won't quit.
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Why would anyone be surprised it was the Dems in bed with Russia?
So why should anyone be surprised it's the Dems behind This?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY3Uz4ELwM0
Putin's Their Kind of Guy.
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According to information posted on Twitter by Allahpundit, Moore’s lawyer was disbarred in 2013, then tried to get work from bereaved parents by posing as a preacher.
Screw this. If these are the clowns and child gropers the right thinks are suitable for public consumption, I’d rather go establishment. Or just be done with politics entirely. It’s beyond embarrassing...at this point it’s an SNL skit.
I heard about a letter the lawyer wrote. Really, about all I can do at this point is chuckle because worrying about this Senate Seat is pretty pointless. That ship has sailed.
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According to information posted on Twitter by Allahpundit, Moore’s lawyer was disbarred in 2013, then tried to get work from bereaved parents by posing as a preacher.
Screw this. If these are the clowns and child gropers the right thinks are suitable for public consumption, I’d rather go establishment. Or just be done with politics entirely. It’s beyond embarrassing...at this point it’s an SNL skit.
Damn right it's an SNL skit.
With 40 years of silence, and now all of a sudden the Hills Are Alive, With The Sound of Music.
What's Roy's total this hour? 30? 40?
Give it till election day it'll climb to 200.
And then after he's out of the picture, and ruined, if Anyone follows it up, bits and pieces of all the bribes paid and favors promised to his accusers will start coming to light.
And we'll all be fighting it out over the Newest Pubbie the Establishment is crucifying for us.
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@Victoria33
Women in Alabama will not be swayed by most of this stuff - The whole basis of this thing is that he is preying on young girls - Women in Alabama KNOW what country courting is, and will be far less concerned about the age disparity that all y'all find so offensive.
@roamer_1
It is what he did, not just how old they were. I spent a good part of today reading what they are writing about talking to each other now. When they worked in the mall, he went from one end to the other and when he was sighted, the girls he was trying to get, would hiide in their store until he left. The managers of the stores also knew it and would also tell the girls when he was around. The girls were afraid of this man. That is why he was banned from the mall. These "country" women know other "country" women and the word is going around in this "country" town/area. You see, you are stuck on the age difference rather than what he did.
This stalker is trying to hide in the Bible. I heard part of his speech last night, and it was preacher Moore touting the Bible, quoting the Bible.
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It kind of surprises me all of this could be going on in a little town like this. Kind of a Peyton Place or Harper Valley PTA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFRkH_3ZmbU
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According to information posted on Twitter by Allahpundit, Moore’s lawyer was disbarred in 2013, then tried to get work from bereaved parents by posing as a preacher.
Screw this. If these are the clowns and child gropers the right thinks are suitable for public consumption, I’d rather go establishment. Or just be done with politics entirely. It’s beyond embarrassing...at this point it’s an SNL skit.
Wow, both sides are tainted, Jeff Sessions must be just shaking his head.
000hehehehe
I have no way to judge Jeff he and Gowdy seem to let us down time after time, per these political matters.
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Phenix City was a town of vice in Alabama that the feds had to reign in in the 1950s, we sure are hearing some hokey idealism here, talk big.
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@roamer_1
When it comes to a woman and her body, you don't have a clue because you are not one - whether women live in the city or the country, they have the same body and the same feelings about it. In actuality, every woman knows she is not safe outside her home (and some aren't safe in it). She is weaker than a man and that truth is always with her.
Now, we have men killing groups of people and a woman is bound to feel more fearful than one or two years ago. The women in Alabama are just like women in every other state. Their "core" is the same. They may not be able to explain that, but they are.
I'll do you a favor and not explain men to you. :silly:
I don't care about being weaker than a man. I'm not some scared little chicken that worries every time I leave the house. I sure as hell don't worry about some guy putting hands on my behind.
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I sure as hell don't worry about some guy putting hands on my behind.
You don't say. What are you doing for lunch tomorrow?
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It's your so-called Southern Belles who are reporting this, so why not take their word?
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I heard about a letter the lawyer wrote. Really, about all I can do at this point is chuckle because worrying about this Senate Seat is pretty pointless. That ship has sailed.
@Cyber Liberty
I agree. I don’t care at this point. My concern is the attitude I’m seeing from conservative men (some of them). It’s an us-against-women, circle the wagons mentality. Personally, I’m quick to denounce any woman who fakes a rape/sex abuse charge and ruins a man’s life. I’m death on that type of witch.
But the reverse just isn’t true. It’s shocking, and it’s sad.
I saw this on Twitter:
“A church that worships Jesus stands up for vulnerable women and girls. A church that worships power sees them as expendable. There are girls and women in our churches, right now, wondering where they can turn as they are molested by predators.
I know Jesus’ answer. What about that of the church?”
That was from Russell Moore. And he’s right. Abused women and girls think strong men might be able to help them in their situation, but they’re watching this mess unfold and they’re learning they better keep their mouths shut. If they don’t, their characters and reputations, and the abuse they’ve suffered, will be mocked and dismissed.
And the next time it happens, people will be demanding to know why they didn’t speak up.
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It is what he did, not just how old they were. I spent a good part of today reading what they are writing about talking to each other now. When they worked in the mall, he went from one end to the other and when he was sighted, the girls he was trying to get, would hiide in their store until he left. The managers of the stores also knew it and would also tell the girls when he was around. The girls were afraid of this man. That is why he was banned from the mall. These "country" women know other "country" women and the word is going around in this "country" town/area. You see, you are stuck on the age difference rather than what he did.
ALL of which is entirely uncorroborated, With the mall management, and the mall cop - The guy who would know - declining to corroborate any of it.
Try to remember what they did to Cruz, with a whole line of bimbos lined up to tell their 'truth'... a few at a time, to leave him twisting in the wind... Go back and look at how that was constructed. Because this is the same damn thing.
And if he loses or if he wins, all this will disappear, just like Cruz's harem.
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Damn right it's an SNL skit.
With 40 years of silence, and now all of a sudden the Hills Are Alive, With The Sound of Music.
What's Roy's total this hour? 30? 40?
Give it till election day it'll climb to 200.
And then after he's out of the picture, and ruined, if Anyone follows it up, bits and pieces of all the bribes paid and favors promised to his accusers will start coming to light.
And we'll all be fighting it out over the Newest Pubbie the Establishment is crucifying for us.
@To-Whose-Benefit?
Moore won’t be ruined. He’s going to win his election and he’ll probably be president someday. That’s where we are now.
The guy at TOS —-two years ago——who said winning was the only principle that mattered? Man, he set a trend. It caught fire.
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@CatherineofAragon
I agree. I don’t care at this point. My concern is the attitude I’m seeing from conservative men (some of them). It’s an us-against-women, circle the wagons mentality. Personally, I’m quick to denounce any woman who fakes a rape/sex abuse charge and ruins a man’s life. I’m death on that type of witch.
But the reverse just isn’t true. It’s shocking, and it’s sad.
That just ain't true, nor right.
The most vociferous on here standing for Moore, are not against women. Nor are they Republican partisans. They are all standing for a man's integrity when there is no proof against it whatsoever.
40 year old gossip and recollections do not make for proof.
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@Cyber Liberty
I agree. I don’t care at this point. My concern is the attitude I’m seeing from conservative men (some of them). It’s an us-against-women, circle the wagons mentality. Personally, I’m quick to denounce any woman who fakes a rape/sex abuse charge and ruins a man’s life. I’m death on that type of witch.
But the reverse just isn’t true. It’s shocking, and it’s sad.
Listen. I dislike Roy Moore. I think he is a whacked out Jesus Freak who should be running revival tent services with snakes and strychnine, but I also have serious questions about these broads for both their timing and questionable details from each one of them. Christ, the broad who did the Gloria Allred pony show the other day was crying without a single tear leaving her head. It was like a Dr Phil episode with a repentant heroin addict as the needle hangs out of their arm.
I don't give a shit about whether this seat is won or lost by the GOP. If one seat is make or break for the party there are deeper problems with the party than some hayseed in AL. What I do care about is this groper shit popping up at predictable times and then disappearing as soon as the candidates wins or drops out.
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@To-Whose-Benefit?
Moore won’t be ruined. He’s going to win his election and he’ll probably be president someday. That’s where we are now.
The guy at TOS —-two years ago——who said winning was the only principle that mattered? Man, he set a trend. It caught fire.
The predictions are pretty much all over the map, Cath. One of the reasons I've pretty well given up and I'm just watching the parade now. :shrug:
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You don't say. What are you doing for lunch tomorrow?
@Frank Cannon
Thought I might hit up a McAllisters. *****rollingeyes*****
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@Frank Cannon
Thought I might hit up a McAllisters. *****rollingeyes*****
Man. Fondling a chick's ass but having to eat a shitty avocado and flat meat sandwich. I'm conflicted now.
(https://www.mcalistersdeli.com/-/media/mcalisters/menu/sandwiches/new-veggie-sandwich_891x480.jpg)
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Man. Fondling a chick's ass but having to eat a shitty avocado and flat meat sandwich. I'm conflicted now.
(https://www.mcalistersdeli.com/-/media/mcalisters/menu/sandwiches/new-veggie-sandwich_891x480.jpg)
That sandwich looks delicious. I bet it would keep you full for at least 30 minutes.
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Listen. I dislike Roy Moore. I think he is a whacked out Jesus Freak who should be running revival tent services with snakes and strychnine, but I also have serious questions about these broads for both their timing and questionable details from each one of them. Christ, the broad who did the Gloria Allred pony show the other day was crying without a single tear leaving her head. It was like a Dr Phil episode with a repentant heroin addict as the needle hangs out of their arm.
I don't give a shit about whether this seat is won or lost by the GOP. If one seat is make or break for the party there are deeper problems with the party than some hayseed in AL. What I do care about is this groper shit popping up at predictable times and then disappearing as soon as the candidates wins or drops out.
"Like the way the Congress Rats dropped the Confederate flag all at the same moment, just like they'd heard they Range Master's Bullhorn commanding them to Cease Fire, Open and Empty all Chambers and Magazines and Bench All Weapons."
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That just ain't true, nor right.
The most vociferous on here standing for Moore, are not against women. Nor are they Republican partisans. They are all standing for a man's integrity when there is no proof against it whatsoever.
40 year old gossip and recollections do not make for proof.
ABSOLUTELY right! NO lynch mobs for me! Not ever!
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Man. Fondling a chick's ass but having to eat a shitty avocado and flat meat sandwich. I'm conflicted now.
(https://www.mcalistersdeli.com/-/media/mcalisters/menu/sandwiches/new-veggie-sandwich_891x480.jpg)
Good Lord! Hamster food....
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Good Lord! Hamster food....
I was going to make some crack about it's that or rolling your partner in flour and looking for the wet spot, but the dictates of conscience and good taste forbid me.
I must be reading too many of Mr Cannon's comments lately.
*girl beer*
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Good Lord! Hamster food....
It can be fixed... Slide a burger in there, cover it with cheese and brown gravy...
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Listen. I dislike Roy Moore. I think he is a whacked out Jesus Freak who should be running revival tent services with snakes and strychnine, but I also have serious questions about these broads for both their timing and questionable details from each one of them. Christ, the broad who did the Gloria Allred pony show the other day was crying without a single tear leaving her head. It was like a Dr Phil episode with a repentant heroin addict as the needle hangs out of their arm.
I don't give a shit about whether this seat is won or lost by the GOP. If one seat is make or break for the party there are deeper problems with the party than some hayseed in AL. What I do care about is this groper shit popping up at predictable times and then disappearing as soon as the candidates wins or drops out.
@Frank Cannon
Before this, all I knew about Moore was that he comes off as a televangelist grandstander, and that he’s one of those people who affects a cowboy hat to lend himself some rustic appeal.
Now? He’s a dirtbag. And so is his wife. She was all over Facebook posting some article signed by clergymen to give the appearance they supported her husband. Thing is, it was an old article she’d edited. When the pastors found out what she was doing, they demanded to have their names removed. Now she’s doxxing reporters.
They really do act innocent. Btw, why hasn’t he filed suit yet?
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@Frank Cannon
Btw, why hasn’t he filed suit yet?
Because he needs to prove standing, prove malice, find a lawyer in DC because I think it has to be filed where WaPo is.
Trust me. Filing a lawsuit is a total pain in the ass and takes time. He'll be lucky if he can get one in the books by the end of the month.
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@Frank Cannon
Btw, why hasn’t he filed suit yet?
Probably waiting for the next hundred or so accusers to come forward between now and election day so he'll know how many and which names to include in his filing.
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That just ain't true, nor right.
The most vociferous on here standing for Moore, are not against women. Nor are they Republican partisans. They are all standing for a man's integrity when there is no proof against it whatsoever.
40 year old gossip and recollections do not make for proof.
:amen:
If there were any credible proof and the charges weren't 30-40 years old I would say Moore has to go, but that isn't the case and all the moral preening of the media and leftists won't change that.
I really hope he wins. I am so sick and tired of the Pub party responding to whatever the media and Rats claim the cause of the day should be.
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Because he needs to prove standing, prove malice, find a lawyer in DC because I think it has to be filed where WaPo is.
Trust me. Filing a lawsuit is a total pain in the ass and takes time. He'll be lucky if he can get one in the books by the end of the month.
@Frank Cannon
@To-Whose-Benefit?
He's gonna file suit like Trump filed suit.
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@Frank Cannon
@To-Whose-Benefit?
He's gonna file suit like Trump filed suit.
I don't know. Didn't Melania win a settlement from a paper for lying?
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@Frank Cannon
@To-Whose-Benefit?
He's gonna file suit like Trump filed suit.
Sorry Catherine, but I thought my intended sarcasm was obvious enough not to need the appended /SSSSS to it.
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bilo wrote:
"I really hope he wins. I am so sick and tired of the Pub party responding to whatever the media and Rats claim the cause of the day should be."
I want to see Moore win the election, and then go to Washington and tell Mitch and the rest of 'em to shove it right up where the sun don' shine.
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bilo wrote:
"I really hope he wins. I am so sick and tired of the Pub party responding to whatever the media and Rats claim the cause of the day should be."
I want to see Moore win the election, and then go to Washington and tell Mitch and the rest of 'em to shove it right up where the sun don' shine.
:amen: Mitch..and some the rest of the maggots. :beer:
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@Frank Cannon
Before this, all I knew about Moore was that he comes off as a televangelist grandstander, and that he’s one of those people who affects a cowboy hat to lend himself some rustic appeal.
@CatherineofAragon
Like Joe Arpio and David Clarke he fell in love with the idea of being a celebrity and is busy self destructing.
It wouldn't happen if so called conservatives wouldn't act like a bunch of 13 year old girls throwing their panties on the stage of every political Justin Beiber to tell them what they want to hear.
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It wouldn't happen if so called conservatives wouldn't act like a bunch of 13 year old girls throwing their panties on the stage of every political Justin Beiber to tell them what they want to hear.
Some are looking for what they believe is a “ savior.” When they find who they believe is that person, any critique of them is met with defensiveness
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I don't know. Didn't Melania win a settlement from a paper for lying?
@Frank Cannon
Yeah, but she filed that one, right?
Moore started out saying he'd sue the Post. He dropped that, and backtracked to claims that he'll sue some state media organization, who has pretty much told him to bring it.
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Sorry Catherine, but I thought my intended sarcasm was obvious enough not to need the appended /SSSSS to it.
@To-Whose-Benefit?
Don't be sorry. It was.
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@CatherineofAragon
Like Joe Arpio and David Clarke he fell in love with the idea of being a celebrity and is busy self destructing.
It wouldn't happen if so called conservatives wouldn't act like a bunch of 13 year old girls throwing their panties on the stage of every political Justin Beiber to tell them what they want to hear.
@Cripplecreek
Speaking of Clarke, I see he's in the news again.
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@Frank Cannon
Yeah, but she filed that one, right?
Moore started out saying he'd sue the Post. He dropped that, and backtracked to claims that he'll sue some state media organization, who has pretty much told him to bring it.
Well then. I guess it is clear. You cannot vote for Moore.
BTW how's the weather in AL today?
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Some are looking for what they believe is a “ savior.” When they find who they believe is that person, any critique of them is met with defensiveness
@LMAO
It has nothing to do with him being a 'savior' - I already have one of those.
It has to do with honor and integrity. Roy Moore has conducted himself as such through a very long career - Whether you agree with him or not, He has stood with honor for decades.
I guess so few stand as such anymore that it makes no particular difference to many here.
But it matters to me, as it should for anyone standing upon principles.
Trump. who is not an honorable man, who has not conducted himself nor acquitted himself well does not deserve the same defense - that is why he doesn't get it. The very same with Clinton. The same with most of em.
Cruz - Different story.
Moore - Different story.
It has nothing to do with Messiahs. It DOES have to do with proper representation though. Folks like me look for men of honor - It's the single first thing I look for. And I will defend it, I surely will.