The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: libertybele on October 16, 2017, 11:25:24 pm
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E-mail that I received and thought I'd pass on to those that may be interested. In BOLD: Please note their mention of current politicians who are showing a genuine interest in the Constitution Party.
BREAKING NEWS UPDATE FROM THE CONSTITUTION PARTY
A lot has transpired since my last email to you describing a rare window of opportunity that is opening up for the Constitution Party. For the first time in our history, the Constitution Party has succeeded in getting enough signatures to place a remarkable young candidate on the ballot for the office of governor in the state of New Jersey. His name is Matt Riccardi. He is a very dynamic young man and is garnering significant attention through his campaign. Matt has a very busy schedule and he has been able to introduce the party to a growing number of voters in that very liberal state. He will be sharing his experiences with us at the upcoming Constitution Party National Committee meeting in Pittsburgh, PA October 27th and 28th.
It has become obvious that the liberal GOP establishment intends to defeat all conservative Republicans running for any office, including Congress. This has become crystal clear in the recent GOP primaries in Alabama and Utah, just to name two states. In both cases the GOP establishment deliberately ran liberal candidates against very capable conservative candidates. Furthermore, in each state, two conservative candidates were placed on the ballot with the goal of dividing the conservative vote, thereby hoping to elect their liberal candidates with a plurality of the vote. The plan worked beautifully in Utah, but fortunately it failed in Alabama, much to the dismay of the establishment. The opposition spent 300% more funds than did the Roy Moore campaign and Moore still handily won the recent runoff primary. Because of these and other recent events, including the Republican Congress' betrayal of voters in refusing to repeal Obamacare, a growing number of conservative Republicans have become increasingly disillusioned with the GOP and are looking for an alternative.
As a result of such ongoing actions, we have recently been contacted by a well-known conservative Republican who has served two terms in public office. He stated he can no longer remain in the Republican Party and is convinced that there is an overwhelming number of like minded Republicans who feel the same way. He further stated he feels "that the Constitution Party has never had a greater opportunity to tap into the GOP betrayal of the country." Those are his exact words. He has since agreed to be the keynote speaker at the Constitution Party National Committee meeting in Pittsburgh.
One other well known Republican, Joe Miller, has also agreed to address that body. Mr. Miller defeated Senator Lisa Murkowski in the 2010 GOP Primary for the US Senate seat in Alaska. However the establishment then organized a write-in campaign for Murkoski in which she narrowly defeated Miller in the November General Election.
Yet another well known Republican, William “Bill” J. Olson, from Virginia, has requested to attend the meeting and will also address the group. It is his law firm that wrote the amicus brief in the Masterpiece Cakeshop bakery case that will be heard before the Supreme Court. All three gentlemen are traveling to the meeting at their own expense. To me, that is indicative of the level of interest they have in the Constitution Party.
However, there still remains one caveat that is critical for us to meet. We must show them that the Constitution Party, with its three pillars, has appeal to the general public. To that end, we set a goal to raise $10,000 before the National Committee Meeting in Pittsburgh. Thus far we are just under the $5,000.00 mark. That goal is still attainable but we need your help to achieve it.
The most viable way we have to show this support is to raise the balance of the $10,000.00 in the next two weeks. I am confident that this can be done and I am therefor appealing to each of you to give serious consideration to this funding request. Please step forward and donate today. It is critical that you donate what you can, whether $5.00, $10.00, $15.00, $20,00, $25.00, $50.00, $100.00, or $500.00. You can donate online, or mail your donation to, Constitution Party, P.O. Box 1782, Lancaster, PA 17608. Raising $10,000.00 prior to us meeting him in person will be the catalyst for opening up doors of opportunity that the party has never seen.
Time is of the essence, so please take action now and make it possible for this door of opportunity to become a reality for the party.
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Is this the same party that has such wonderful Presidential Candidates like:
Michael Peroutka - neo Confederate
Chuckles baldwin - another neo Confederate and a 9/11 Truther???
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Wouldn't it be nice to have a Conservative party that backs and promotes Conservative candidates? I just might pull my phone out of retirement and see if my TEA Party fellows are leaning this way (many are, you know)
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This is a bunch of who cares. So the Constipation Party has a candidate on the ballot in NJ. That candidate might as well be running on Mars for all the votes he will get.
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I think it's worth at least giving this party a chance. Certainly the Republicans are taking us in the opposite direction of where we should be going.
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This is a bunch of who cares. So the Constipation Party has a candidate on the ballot in NJ. That candidate might as well be running on Mars for all the votes he will get.
That's the kind of attitude that ensures the monopoly of the Uniparty. People have to break the habit of making their choice between two lousy candidates.
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That's the kind of attitude that ensures the monopoly of the Uniparty. People have to break the habit of making their choice between two lousy candidates.
In case you hadn't noticed, Frank doesn't really have a great attitude.
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This is a bunch of who cares. So the Constipation Party has a candidate on the ballot in NJ. That candidate might as well be running on Mars for all the votes he will get.
I don't like discouraging them, because we really need a more back to basics party, but yeah, you're probably right. Especially in a place with the Demographics like New Jersey.
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That's the kind of attitude that ensures the monopoly of the Uniparty. People have to break the habit of making their choice between two lousy candidates.
Human nature is inherently binary. They want their answers to be in clear black and white.
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In case you hadn't noticed, Frank doesn't really have a great attitude.
No I didn't notice.
:silly:
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I think it's worth at least giving this party a chance. Certainly the Republicans are taking us in the opposite direction of where we should be going.
I agree. I am going to take a look- we don't have but a handful of Conservatives in the Republican party.
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I agree. I am going to take a look- we don't have but a handful of Conservatives in the Republican party.
And there are a lot less today than there were a few months ago! It's what happens when the party basically tells them to go to hell!
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Is this the same party that has such wonderful Presidential Candidates like:
Michael Peroutka - neo Confederate
Chuckles baldwin - another neo Confederate and a 9/11 Truther???
As I mentioned in my intro before my post: those that are interested. If you're not interested so be it; but the ridicule isn't really appreciated or necessary. There are those of us who see the GOP establishment is not a whole heck of a lot different than the DEMS and right now they are doing there darndest to ensure that conservatism dies. If enough very well known true conservatives migrate to the Constitution Party; there is a chance a candidate running for the Constitution Party could very will win.
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This is a bunch of who cares. So the Constipation Party has a candidate on the ballot in NJ. That candidate might as well be running on Mars for all the votes he will get.
Frank you need to think outside the box on this one; though the chance is slim; it's still there. Could you imagine if Cruz, Lee, Paul, Sasse, Jordan, Brat, and other true conservatives joined the Constitution Party? I think it might just raise a few eyebrows and perhaps those who no longer consider themselves Republicans anymore might just jump on board. I for one would jump in to support them anyway that I possibly could.
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Is there a link for this?
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Is there a link for this?
No link. This was an e-mail sent to me from the Constitution Party.
Signed:
In the cause of Liberty,
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Frank Fluckiger
National Chairman
Constitution Party
1-800-2-VETO-IRS
www.constitutionparty.com
www.facebook.com/TheConstitutionParty
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@Smokin Joe
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Frank you need to think outside the box on this one; though the chance is slim; it's still there. Could you imagine if Cruz, Lee, Paul, Sasse, Jordan, Brat, and other true conservatives joined the Constitution Party? I think it might just raise a few eyebrows and perhaps those who no longer consider themselves Republicans anymore might just jump on board. I for one would jump in to support them anyway that I possibly could.
Frank has made negative comments about Cruz and Sasse so I think he is just being honest. He is a Trump man. Trump is the problem. We climbed into the slime and we are slipping so far away from the Constitution we may never get back to America.
Not the whole problem though. They have been going left for a long time. Just electing Trump was like electing a prostitute.
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Frank you need to think outside the box on this one; though the chance is slim; it's still there. Could you imagine if Cruz, Lee, Paul, Sasse, Jordan, Brat, and other true conservatives joined the Constitution Party? I think it might just raise a few eyebrows and perhaps those who no longer consider themselves Republicans anymore might just jump on board. I for one would jump in to support them anyway that I possibly could.
There is no box to think out of. I do not believe you are familiar with New Jersey, but if you were you would know it is a corrupt state run on graft and patronage. No one in that state will win anything without the blessings of the power brokers of either two major parties. If they don't get that blessing they will be broken one way or another.
If the Constipation Party was legit, they would start trying to win in a small mid-west state or maybe something in the south. Going for a deep blue NE state is a joke. It's time and money wasted when those are resources they are in terrible need of.
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As I mentioned in my intro before my post: those that are interested. If you're not interested so be it; but the ridicule isn't really appreciated or necessary. There are those of us who see the GOP establishment is not a whole heck of a lot different than the DEMS and right now they are doing there darndest to ensure that conservatism dies. If enough very well known true conservatives migrate to the Constitution Party; there is a chance a candidate running for the Constitution Party could very will win.
Platform for Constitution Party.
https://www.constitutionparty.com/principles/platform-preamble/
:thumbsup3:
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This is a bunch of who cares. So the Constipation Party has a candidate on the ballot in NJ. That candidate might as well be running on Mars for all the votes he will get.
So standing behind the likes of Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel get you what?
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So standing behind the likes of Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel get you what?
I'm a realist. No one is ever getting what they want. This train wreck govt' is going to limp along until there is a crisis or a catastrophe that ushers in a new govt'. Throwing a ticker tape parade because you have candidates in states you will never win is about a useful as farting at a funeral.
The Constipation Party, formerly known as the US Taxpayers Party, founded in the colonial days of 1991 is nothing more that a Lyndon LaRouche wanna be group. In their long 27 year history they have only been able to elect 26 idiots to totally worthless local positions.
Current Constitution Party elected officials according to the party's website as of December 2016[1]
William Cantley, Riverside, Alabama city council
Brad Shepherd, Anderson, Alaska city council
Pam Goode, Deltana, Alaska Community Corporation Board
Phil Collins, Libertyville Township, Lake County, Illinois trustee[2]
Randy Fontenot, Eunice, Louisiana police chief
Ronnie L. Broughton, Webster Parish School Board, Louisiana
Rich Ryscamp, Grand Rapids Community College Board of Directors, Michigan
Bruce Johnson, Dakota County, Minnesota Soil and Water District 4 Supervisor
Gale Joy, New Lebanon, Ohio town council
Ray Biggs, St. Helens, Oregon school district board
Marshall Porter, St. Helens, Oregon school district board
Benjamin Eckstrom, Scappoose, Oregon parks board
Mary Starrett, Yamhill County, Oregon commissioner
Bob Goodrich, Osceola Township, Tioga County, Pennsylvania supervisor
Jim Clymer, judge of elections in Manor Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania
Bryce Hamilton, Duchesne, Utah city council
Steven W. Johnson, Enoch, Utah city council
Jack Monnett, Spring City, Utah mayor
Danny Peatross, Duchesne, Utah city council
Adam Toone, Morgan County, Utah school district 5
A.J. Burton, Medical Lake, Washington town council
Rob Chase, Spokane County, Washington treasurer
Caleb Collier, Spokane Valley, Washington city council
Ed Pace, Spokane Valley, Washington city council
Gregory Smith, Douglas, Wisconsin board of trustees, supervisor
Robert DesJarlais, Mishicot (town), Wisconsin board of trustees, supervisor
Wake me up when these folks take the time and the effort to actually get a member of their flock into a Federal position....or even a state house or senate seat somewhere.
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I'm a realist. No one is ever getting what they want. This train wreck govt' is going to limp along until there is a crisis or a catastrophe that ushers in a new govt'. Throwing a ticker tape parade because you have candidates in states you will never win is about a useful as farting at a funeral.
The Constipation Party, formerly known as the US Taxpayers Party, founded in the colonial days of 1991 is nothing more that a Lyndon LaRouche wanna be group. In their long 27 year history they have only been able to elect 26 idiots to totally worthless local positions.
Current Constitution Party elected officials according to the party's website as of December 2016[1]
William Cantley, Riverside, Alabama city council
Brad Shepherd, Anderson, Alaska city council
Pam Goode, Deltana, Alaska Community Corporation Board
Phil Collins, Libertyville Township, Lake County, Illinois trustee[2]
Randy Fontenot, Eunice, Louisiana police chief
Ronnie L. Broughton, Webster Parish School Board, Louisiana
Rich Ryscamp, Grand Rapids Community College Board of Directors, Michigan
Bruce Johnson, Dakota County, Minnesota Soil and Water District 4 Supervisor
Gale Joy, New Lebanon, Ohio town council
Ray Biggs, St. Helens, Oregon school district board
Marshall Porter, St. Helens, Oregon school district board
Benjamin Eckstrom, Scappoose, Oregon parks board
Mary Starrett, Yamhill County, Oregon commissioner
Bob Goodrich, Osceola Township, Tioga County, Pennsylvania supervisor
Jim Clymer, judge of elections in Manor Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania
Bryce Hamilton, Duchesne, Utah city council
Steven W. Johnson, Enoch, Utah city council
Jack Monnett, Spring City, Utah mayor
Danny Peatross, Duchesne, Utah city council
Adam Toone, Morgan County, Utah school district 5
A.J. Burton, Medical Lake, Washington town council
Rob Chase, Spokane County, Washington treasurer
Caleb Collier, Spokane Valley, Washington city council
Ed Pace, Spokane Valley, Washington city council
Gregory Smith, Douglas, Wisconsin board of trustees, supervisor
Robert DesJarlais, Mishicot (town), Wisconsin board of trustees, supervisor
Wake me up when these folks take the time and the effort to actually get a member of their flock into a Federal position....or even a state house or senate seat somewhere.
I dunno, that Oregon Parks Board gig sounds pretty impressive to me.
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I dunno, that Oregon Parks Board gig sounds pretty impressive to me.
You'd think that until you sit a spell and chat with Ronnie Broughton of the Webster Parish School Board. He claims that at least once a month at the meetings, someone brings in homemade crullers and coffee.
Hard to top that!
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You'd think that until you sit a spell and chat with Ronnie Broughton of the Webster Parish School Board. He claims that at least once a month at the meetings, someone brings in homemade crullers and coffee.
Hard to top that!
Homemade? Damn scrait.
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I'm a realist. No one is ever getting what they want. This train wreck govt' is going to limp along until there is a crisis or a catastrophe that ushers in a new govt'. Throwing a ticker tape parade because you have candidates in states you will never win is about a useful as farting at a funeral.
The Constipation Party, formerly known as the US Taxpayers Party, founded in the colonial days of 1991 is nothing more that a Lyndon LaRouche wanna be group. In their long 27 year history they have only been able to elect 26 idiots to totally worthless local positions.
Current Constitution Party elected officials according to the party's website as of December 2016[1]
William Cantley, Riverside, Alabama city council
Brad Shepherd, Anderson, Alaska city council
Pam Goode, Deltana, Alaska Community Corporation Board
Phil Collins, Libertyville Township, Lake County, Illinois trustee[2]
Randy Fontenot, Eunice, Louisiana police chief
Ronnie L. Broughton, Webster Parish School Board, Louisiana
Rich Ryscamp, Grand Rapids Community College Board of Directors, Michigan
Bruce Johnson, Dakota County, Minnesota Soil and Water District 4 Supervisor
Gale Joy, New Lebanon, Ohio town council
Ray Biggs, St. Helens, Oregon school district board
Marshall Porter, St. Helens, Oregon school district board
Benjamin Eckstrom, Scappoose, Oregon parks board
Mary Starrett, Yamhill County, Oregon commissioner
Bob Goodrich, Osceola Township, Tioga County, Pennsylvania supervisor
Jim Clymer, judge of elections in Manor Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania
Bryce Hamilton, Duchesne, Utah city council
Steven W. Johnson, Enoch, Utah city council
Jack Monnett, Spring City, Utah mayor
Danny Peatross, Duchesne, Utah city council
Adam Toone, Morgan County, Utah school district 5
A.J. Burton, Medical Lake, Washington town council
Rob Chase, Spokane County, Washington treasurer
Caleb Collier, Spokane Valley, Washington city council
Ed Pace, Spokane Valley, Washington city council
Gregory Smith, Douglas, Wisconsin board of trustees, supervisor
Robert DesJarlais, Mishicot (town), Wisconsin board of trustees, supervisor
Wake me up when these folks take the time and the effort to actually get a member of their flock into a Federal position....or even a state house or senate seat somewhere.
Looks to be some good grassroots for the party, in some pretty liberal left wing states.
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Looks to be some good grassroots for the party, in some pretty liberal left wing states.
Even the most Left wing state has a very Conservative rural area. Look on a map where all those hamlets are that these people live and by what margin Trump won in '16.
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Looks to be some good grassroots for the party, in some pretty liberal left wing states.
I'm with you. I think it's pretty impressive to have won any position in Oregon and Washington from the Constitution Party.
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Even the most Left wing state has a very Conservative rural area. Look on a map where all those hamlets are that these people live and by what margin Trump won in '16.
I doubt Conservative party members were Trumpy supporters.
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I'm with you. I think it's pretty impressive to have won any position in Oregon and Washington from the Constitution Party.
Oregon Election Map 2016:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Oregon_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg/400px-Oregon_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg.png)
Washington Election Map 2016:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Washington_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg/350px-Washington_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg.png)
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(https://foolforhim.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/fingers-in-ears.jpg)
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(https://foolforhim.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/fingers-in-ears.jpg)
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/62331938/can-you-hear-me-now-hello.jpg)
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Even the most Left wing state has a very Conservative rural area. Look on a map where all those hamlets are that these people live and by what margin Trump won in '16.
Again, IMHO a major exodus by conservative members such as Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Paul, Gohmert, Amash, etc., to the Constitution Party would not only raise a few eyebrows, but I think you would see conservatives coming back to the polls to vote. Voters would have a choice other than voting for the lesser of two evils.
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Again, IMHO a major exodus by conservative members such as Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Paul, Gohmert, Amash, etc., to the Constitution Party would not only raise a few eyebrows, but I think you would see conservatives coming back to the polls to vote. Voters would have a choice other than voting for the lesser of two evils.
:thumbsup:
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Looks to be some good grassroots for the party, in some pretty liberal left wing states.
That's the key. Any such movement has to start at the local level. School boards, city councils and county commissions are extremely important.
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Thanks for posting this @libertybele
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In 2015 the Constitution Party got one tenth of one percent of the votes (0.1%). If you
really do not wish to participate in the political process voting CP is the way to go.
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I'm a realist.
@Frank Cannon
So am I! And as one I am 100% sure that if you keep on doing what you've always done you're going to keep on getting what you've always got!
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Again, IMHO a major exodus by conservative members such as Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Paul, Gohmert, Amash, etc., to the Constitution Party would not only raise a few eyebrows, but I think you would see conservatives coming back to the polls to vote. Voters would have a choice other than voting for the lesser of two evils.
Once again we have daydreaming and not anything realistic. Why would A-List GOPers like Cruz and Lee move to a party that cannot even take themselves serious?
Take the time to get actual party members into congressional seats and then maybe you can try and argue legitimacy. Until then it is all nonsense.
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Once again we have daydreaming and not anything realistic. Why would A-List GOPers like Cruz and Lee move to a party that cannot even take themselves serious?
Take the time to get actual party members into congressional seats and then maybe you can try and argue legitimacy. Until then it is all nonsense.
They could maintain relevance after leaving the Party by caucusing with the Republicans in the Senate or House.
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They could maintain relevance after leaving the Party by caucusing with the Republicans in the Senate or House.
They could hold a ticker tape parade for Paddington bear. Why would they join a party that doesn't exist in the real world? Also how do you expect these guys to get reelected to national office when the highest elected official in their states, if they even have one, is a township supervisor?
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It's certainly a chicken vs egg problem.
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Again, IMHO a major exodus by conservative members such as Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Paul, Gohmert, Amash, etc., to the Constitution Party would not only raise a few eyebrows, but I think you would see conservatives coming back to the polls to vote. Voters would have a choice other than voting for the lesser of two evils.
I'm done practicing that insanity, and make no mistake - THAT is all that now exists and will exist in the future of politics in this nation; voting for the lesser evil and lesser tyrant is all our future will hold when limited to the system now corrupted and perverted beyond redemption.
It is interesting to witness the gnashing of teeth every single time someone mentions or advocates voting for someone outside of the Uniparty. First they tell you that you are wasting your vote, then they try to shame you that you are abandoning the country, then they attack you by declaring that you are an enemy; you are either with us or against us. The liberty to vote one's conscience to support someone who upholds their own principles is now roundly ridiculed by both ends of the uniparty. Liberty is a dead construct when such a people are of such a mindset. They have made men their sovereigns and have put all their hope and faith in political saviors and corrupted institutions.
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It's certainly a chicken vs egg problem.
Not really. The Constipation Party hasn't even laid an egg or raised a chicken yet. They are just standing around staring at a 50 year old Sears catalog talking about how cool it would be to order chicks to raise at home.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ed/8a/fb/ed8afb83b94f556d7a36875f8baf1e11--buy-chickens-backyard-chickens.jpg)
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Not really. The Constipation Party hasn't even laid an egg or raised a chicken yet. They are just standing around staring at a 50 year old Sears catalog talking about how cool it would be to order chicks to raise at home.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ed/8a/fb/ed8afb83b94f556d7a36875f8baf1e11--buy-chickens-backyard-chickens.jpg)
Ohhh, that's a good price. I think I'll order.
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They could hold a ticker tape parade for Paddington bear. Why would they join a party that doesn't exist in the real world? Also how do you expect these guys to get reelected to national office when the highest elected official in their states, if they even have one, is a township supervisor?
So, I assume you are happy with the DEMS/GOP and continuing to vote for the lesser of two evils? You don't see a problem with people like McConnell who uses donated funds to the National Republican Senatorial Committee to ensure that incumbents are continually re-elected in order to eliminate a conservative newcomer? You are seeing the fruit of his actions; a Senate that has had the GOP majority for several election cycles, that has accomplished nothing other than folding to the left. You may see voting for the Constitution party as a wasted vote, but who is really wasting their vote? One that votes their conscience or one that votes against their principles because they've been told time and time again that voting for the lesser of two evils is their only choice?
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Ohhh, that's a good price. I think I'll order.
They make pretty yummy snake food.... :whistle:
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This is a bunch of who cares. So the Constipation Party has a candidate on the ballot in NJ. That candidate might as well be running on Mars for all the votes he will get.
It's just fuel for The Dreamers, and I don't mean DACA. They continue a fruitless and kinda pathetic hope that a perfect party will come along that will save them from both Trump and the Left.
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It's just fuel for The Dreamers, and I don't mean DACA. They continue a fruitless and kinda pathetic hope that a perfect party will come along that will save them from both Trump and the Left.
Winning friends and influencing people.
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They make pretty yummy snake food.... :whistle:
So do cats. :smokin:
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So do cats. :smokin:
I had a friend with some large Pythons (15-20 feet). She didn't like cats for them, because their claws could really hurt her pets. She kept a rabbit hutch out back to raise feeders. She only had to feed them once a week or so.
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It's just fuel for The Dreamers, and I don't mean DACA. They continue a fruitless and kinda pathetic hope that a perfect party will come along that will save them from both Trump and the Left.
:amen:
I have been hearing talks about a perfect party since I was born. Let me break to this to everyone. There is no such thing as a perfect party.
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I dunno, that Oregon Parks Board gig sounds pretty impressive to me.
The Olathe, KS water district has Jim Vader on the board. He finds the lack of purity disturbing.
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It's just fuel for The Dreamers, and I don't mean DACA. They continue a fruitless and kinda pathetic hope that a perfect party will come along that will save them from both Trump and the Left.
No one stated that the Constitution Party was perfect nor is it set in stone that there will be a mass exodus of conservatives from Congress to the party. IF such an exodus were to occur, that would certainly open up the opportunity for a 3rd party win. Right now I see some optimism for change as there are a couple of politicians disgruntled enough within the GOP to give the Constitution party a look. The only thing I see pathetic is expecting things to get better without there being any real change and giving up any hope of getting back to a party of Constitutional conservatives running the country, and continuing to accept that two parties have made it nearly impossible for anyone else to conquer their corruption that has taken foothold on the electoral process.
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No one stated that the Constitution Party was perfect nor is it set in stone that there will be a mass exodus of conservatives from Congress to the party. IF such an exodus were to occur, that would certainly open up the opportunity for a 3rd party win. Right now I see some optimism for change as there are a couple of politicians disgruntled enough within the GOP to give the Constitution party a look. The only thing I see pathetic is expecting things to get better without there being any real change and giving up any hope of getting back to a party of Constitutional conservatives running the country, and continuing to accept that two parties have made it nearly impossible for anyone else to conquer their corruption that has taken foothold on the electoral process.
I'm not sure how much luck you will have trying to convince someone who doesn't know whether she wanted Trump or Hillary to win.
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No one stated that the Constitution Party was perfect nor is it set in stone that there will be a mass exodus of conservatives from Congress to the party. IF such an exodus were to occur, that would certainly open up the opportunity for a 3rd party win. Right now I see some optimism for change as there are a couple of politicians disgruntled enough within the GOP to give the Constitution party a look. The only thing I see pathetic is expecting things to get better without there being any real change and giving up any hope of getting back to a party of Constitutional conservatives running the country, and continuing to accept that two parties have made it nearly impossible for anyone else to conquer their corruption that has taken foothold on the electoral process.
Of course the Republican Party is far from perfect. Very far. But, realistically speaking our best chance of avoiding liberalism is re-making the Republican Party and not some party that would take at least 20 years to get a foothold.
I think we'll see some changes in the next two elections.
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Of course the Republican Party is far from perfect. Very far. But, realistically speaking our best chance of avoiding liberalism is re-making the Republican Party and not some party that would take at least 20 years to get a foothold.
I think we'll see some changes in the next two elections.
Yeah right... I've heard that crap for 30 years.
You won't change a doggone thing.
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Yeah right... I've heard that crap for 30 years.
You won't change a doggone thing.
What a refreshing dose of optimism. Thank you.
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Of course the Republican Party is far from perfect. Very far. But, realistically speaking our best chance of avoiding liberalism is re-making the Republican Party and not some party that would take at least 20 years to get a foothold.
I think we'll see some changes in the next two elections.
You're right and the election of a not politician, Donald Trump proves it, but do
not expect the NTers here to see that.
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I think it's worth at least giving this party a chance. Certainly the Republicans are taking us in the opposite direction of where we should be going.
Exactly.
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Again, IMHO a major exodus by conservative members such as Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Paul, Gohmert, Amash, etc., to the Constitution Party would not only raise a few eyebrows, but I think you would see conservatives coming back to the polls to vote. Voters would have a choice other than voting for the lesser of two evils.
Gohmert nor Cruz or Lee would be stupid enough to leave the Republican party.
The only one I can think of who might would be Rand Paul. I like him but he's crazy. Probably not crazy enough to do that.
Look, I don't blame people for dreaming but it's just that ... dreaming.
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You're right and the election of a not politician, Donald Trump proves it, but do
not expect the NTers here to see that.
The election of Donald Trump was a strange anomaly but it does prove that the country is sick, sick, sick of liberalism.
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Exactly.
What does giving this party a chance mean in the real world. I'm willing to give them a chance but it is a snowball's chance in the hot place.
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Constitution Party: 7 Principles https://www.constitutionparty.com/principles/seven-principles/
Constitution Party: 12 Key Issues https://www.constitutionparty.com/principles/twelve-key-issues/
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The election of Donald Trump was a strange anomaly but it does prove that the country is sick, sick, sick of liberalism.
That is profound. Neither McCain or Romney could present the case in a winning way.
It took Trump to take the sugar coating off, and go all out, like somebody damned intent, on winning.
Regarding GHW Bush, Bob Dole, GW Bush, John McCain, and Mitt /Romney can you say "Weak," and "milquetoast?"
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The election of Donald Trump was a strange anomaly but it does prove that the country is sick, sick, sick of liberalism.
True, but it also proves that it is possible to do a hostile take over of an existing
major party. The battle for the GOP will be fought in the GOP primaries.
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True, but it also proves that it is possible to do a hostile take over of an existing
major party. The battle for the GOP will be fought in the GOP primaries.
And the leadership changed the rules to make sure it never happens again.
So - I'm laughing at those of you insisting that such a thing can be done.
No - they made sure it can never happen again.
But you go ahead and pretend otherwise, because it's the only way you can continue to tell yourselves that voting Republican makes a difference.
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And the leadership changed the rules to make sure it never happens again.
So - I'm laughing at those of you insisting that such a thing can be done.
No - they made sure it can never happen again.
But you go ahead and pretend otherwise, because it's the only way you can continue to tell yourselves that voting Republican makes a difference.
Yup! And sent me packing when they did!
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That is profound. Neither McCain or Romney could present the case in a winning way.
It took Trump to take the sugar coating off, and go all out, like somebody damned intent, on winning.
Regarding GHW Bush, Bob Dole, GW Bush, John McCain, and Mitt /Romney can you say "Weak," and "milquetoast?"
McCain is just plain despicable.
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There is no such thing as a perfect party.
Bullshit pal. We had the perfect party at one of my themed fraternity mixers in college. Plenty of drugs, booze and all the brothers got laid.
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McCain is just plain despicable.
And always has been! He would have spent his life selling used cars but for his father and grandfather!
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I checked into them and did give them quite a bit of support in '12 when they ran Virgil Goode who did endorse Trump in the last election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Party_(United_States)
They also "absorbed" per above, the American Independent Party (founded by George Wallace's campaign in '68), they also ran Alan Keyes for President. I thought though, the American Independent Party still exists.
They are an interesting party, the Libertarian Party now, seems to have gone a bit to liberal on some issues like same sex marriage.
American Independent Party of California did endorse Trump Pence.
http://aipca.org/
I guess, they are part of the American Independent Party, I can not discern all of the differences.
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Gohmert nor Cruz or Lee would be stupid enough to leave the Republican party.
The only one I can think of who might would be Rand Paul. I like him but he's crazy. Probably not crazy enough to do that.
Look, I don't blame people for dreaming but it's just that ... dreaming.
??? Stupid enough to leave the Republican Party? It's not like the Republican Party stood behind Cruz when he was running against Hillary and there's no love lost between him and McConnell. The Senate is crumbling all around him more so than before and he knows it.
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??? Stupid enough to leave the Republican Party? It's not like the Republican Party stood behind Cruz when he was running against Hillary and there's no love lost between him and McConnell.
Money talks and money is all that matters.
Principles are just sound bites for public consumption to obtain votes, even if a representative truly has principles they want to govern by.
None them are going to leave a party that is corrupt when the money is all that matters to nearly everyone.
I have arrived at the point that if they are truly Conservative they need to get out of the GOP. I will never again vote for anyone in that party - I do not care if it a clone of Reagan himself.
The party has demonstrated what it will do to anyone who will not tow the Establishment/Oligarchy agenda.
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BREAKING NEWS UPDATE FROM THE CONSTITUTION PARTY
We still do not have even one vote in Congress....sorry Charley..... I have no intention/desire of going third party. I'll quit voting first..... as it would be a waste of time.
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Money talks and money is all that matters.
Principles are just sound bites for public consumption to obtain votes, even if a representative truly has principles they want to govern by.
None them are going to leave a party that is corrupt when the money is all that matters to nearly everyone.
I have arrived at the point that if they are truly Conservative they need to get out of the GOP. I will never again vote for anyone in that party - I do not care if it a clone of Reagan himself.
The party has demonstrated what it will do to anyone who will not tow the Establishment/Oligarchy agenda.
Especially in light of the aforementioned rules change that forecloses on any opportunities for any of them in the future with that party.
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In 2015 the Constitution Party got one tenth of one percent of the votes (0.1%). If you
really do not wish to participate in the political process voting CP is the way to go.
1856 was the very first year of the Republican Party. It didn’t do very well either. However, 4 short years later it won the Presidency with Lincoln. So it CAN be done.
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Republicans grew out of the Whigs though from my novice history, the Whigs were a major party. I think they lost popularity because they failed on abolition of slavery.
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@Smokin Joe
Thanks! I have had a busy day, and will get a look at all this!
I wonder what the Whigs said back when about another bunch of upstarts?
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Of course the Republican Party is far from perfect. Very far. But, realistically speaking our best chance of avoiding liberalism is re-making the Republican Party and not some party that would take at least 20 years to get a foothold.
I think we'll see some changes in the next two elections.
I thought the Silent Majority was going to make that happen, or under Reagan, or listening to the TEA (Taxed Enough Already) party people...Nope. Essentially, there is the election season promises followed by the post election let down. And always the excuse "Well, the other guy would have been worse".
Pushing the same button over and over. Last primary, there was no Presidential GOP primary or District caucus. I have other issues with the Party as well. I won't vote Democrat, but that means any effort I put forth won't go to the GOP any more, either.
No house is built all at once. One brick at a time. If you want to move mountains, you start with a shovel full of rock. If you say "It can't be done, it damnsure won't be. As for the GOP, no one is going to change a group so determined to turn its back on conservatism, and while the party has recognized that Conservatives are a threat to the Status quo, it has decided to fight against Conservatives while sucking up to the liberals ("moderates"). We have all been saying that it is going the wrong direction and we said that of the GOP for decades now.
So let me ask this. Do we concentrate our time and treasure on something that is heading the wrong direction and to a great extent already gone, or do we build anew? I'm for the latter, at this point, because the former is so insistent on going the wrong way.
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1856 was the very first year of the Republican Party. It didn’t do very well either. However, 4 short years later it won the Presidency with Lincoln. So it CAN be done.
And it immediately caused a civil war, killed about 3 million people, grew government to gargantuan proportions, wrecked the principle of the Declaration of independence, started the policy of borrowing and spending and inflating money, birthed an era of massive corruption and left us with a legacy from which we are still trying to recover.
Not a very good start.
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And it immediately caused a civil war, killed about 3 million people, grew government to gargantuan proportions, wrecked the principle of the Declaration of independence, started the policy of borrowing and spending and inflating money, birthed an era of massive corruption and left us with a legacy from which we are still trying to recover.
Not a very good start.
No, it wasn't. And for over 150 years people have been saying, just one more election, next time we'll get it right...
If you went to a restaurant and they got your order wrong more often than not, would you point to the few things they did get right, or would you go elsewhere? Yet people defend the place because 'at least they aren't that other place' (who would get it wrong, too), while the start-up across town is having a slow day. :shrug:
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Slavery is an ultimate evil, as usual, lost causers come up with sad arguments if not outright falsehoods on this.
Democrats, wrong side then, wrong side now.
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No, it wasn't. And for over 150 years people have been saying, just one more election, next time we'll get it right...
If you went to a restaurant and they got your order wrong more often than not, would you point to the few things they did get right, or would you go elsewhere? Yet people defend the place because 'at least they aren't that other place' (who would get it wrong, too), while the start-up across town is having a slow day. :shrug:
Maybe one can wait 150 more years for a candidate that thinks just like they do.
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It's truly sad that people would defend a white supremacist society as the Confederacy was.
"Not a very good start" this.
The Bible reads:
"He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:16)
That is about slavery.
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No, it wasn't. And for over 150 years people have been saying, just one more election, next time we'll get it right...
If you went to a restaurant and they got your order wrong more often than not, would you point to the few things they did get right, or would you go elsewhere? Yet people defend the place because 'at least they aren't that other place' (who would get it wrong, too), while the start-up across town is having a slow day. :shrug:
If you and @DiogenesLamp wish to defend White Supremacy, go along, don't expect others to go along with these lies.
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If there had not been some pigheaded defenders of slavery, 3,000,000 people would not have died. Better? And let's not get started on corruption. And then, another 100 years of taking away voting rights, lynchings and so on. Don't saddle this rubbish on others.
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Thanks! I have had a busy day, and will get a look at all this!
I wonder what the Whigs said back when about another bunch of upstarts?
Probably some of the same type of condescending things people in the GOP say about the Constitution Party.
Those that don't learn from history...
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No, it wasn't. And for over 150 years people have been saying, just one more election, next time we'll get it right...
If you went to a restaurant and they got your order wrong more often than not, would you point to the few things they did get right, or would you go elsewhere? Yet people defend the place because 'at least they aren't that other place' (who would get it wrong, too), while the start-up across town is having a slow day. :shrug:
I, for one, have heard about all of that I care to listen to! Enough Is enough!
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If you and @DiogenesLamp wish to defend White Supremacy, go along, don't expect others to go along with these lies.
I normally don't see your posts @TomSea but decided to look at this one to recall why that is! It worked just fine!
Two FACTS for you:
1: There is not one person on this board defending slavery! Not a single one!
2. That is NOT what the war of Northern aggression was about despite what your public school indoctrination has led you to believe and the FACT is that if Mr. Lincoln had told the Union army that they were fighting to end slavery the lot of them would have thrown down their arms and went home on the spot!
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No, it wasn't. And for over 150 years people have been saying, just one more election, next time we'll get it right...
If you went to a restaurant and they got your order wrong more often than not, would you point to the few things they did get right, or would you go elsewhere? Yet people defend the place because 'at least they aren't that other place' (who would get it wrong, too), while the start-up across town is having a slow day. :shrug:
Well, if going to the start up guarantees they serve me up the food from .."That Other Place". All of which is garbage, I'll eat at the place that serves up most of what I want, and try to get new owners/help in there to fix the side dishes I do not like.
P.S. You must be old, I am 56 but even I would have used Bordellos instead of restaurants. ;)
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Well, if going to the start up guarantees they serve me up the food from .."That Other Place". All of which is garbage, I'll eat at the place that serves up most of what I want, and try to get new owners/help in there to fix the side dishes I do not like.
If you are getting MOST of what you want from the republicans in Washington you must not have wanted much in the first place!
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If you are getting MOST of what you want from the republicans in Washington you must not have wanted much in the first place!
14 restaurants serving all the different flavors of conservatives, and only one which serves regressive s/liberals. Insures that , in the end ...only the regressive buffet will make a profit, and will be the only food we all have to eat.
If you want to be effective..... start a Bernie Party(could call it Happy Gays) to serve up the food most liked by regressives. And work to change the management in our restaurant.
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Texas is minority-majority now, Georgia, Florida and then, Tennessee and Mississippi are to follow along with Illinois. That's what is in the future. Watch for 2024, around there if not sooner. In the meantime, the brutality sent those victimized to all parts of the nation where it plagues us. Demographic shifts should have happened long ago. The war for independence for Texas was even partly fought for slavery to be an institution. Read your history to you. The North had no slaves, maybe less than 20 in New Jersey as it was being abolished, Missouri, Kentucky were not border states. Be happy looking for that. Then, we will see how practical the Constitution party will be.
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It's truly sad that people would defend a white supremacist society as the Confederacy was.
"Not a very good start" this.
The Bible reads:
That is about slavery.
It is sad that anyone would defend white supremacy. Thankfully no one here is doing that.
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Slavery is an ultimate evil,
Slavery is not besetting us today. You know what is besetting us today? That monster they created to smash the South's economic trade with Europe. Slavery was going to go away, but that Federal Leviathan/Crony Capitalist state is gonna live forever.
as usual, lost causers come up with sad arguments if not outright falsehoods on this.
I don't consider the principle articulated in the Declaration of Independence to be a "lost cause." I consider it to be a fundamental characteristic of natural law and freedom. It was the principle that separated our own nation from that of the British Union, and it should have been respected rather than rebuked.
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It's truly sad that people would defend a white supremacist society as the Confederacy was.
And as the Union was as well. Lincoln was especially White Supremacist, as anyone who has read his works can attest. He was in fact an officer of an organization dedicated to removing blacks from the nation by sending them back to Africa or any other country to which he could send them. As President he tried to implement this very same policy.
People keep forgetting that slavery was legal in the Union for "four score and seven years", and protections for it are written into the very constitution itself. Had the South not put up such a fight for so long, Slavery would have continued being legal in the Union until at least 1895, if not longer.
The Union and the Confederacy were pot and kettle respectively, but some people don't want to learn accurate history about this.
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If you and @DiogenesLamp wish to defend White Supremacy, go along, don't expect others to go along with these lies.
Notice how you switch the premise of the debate from the wrongness of the Civil War to accusing people of defending White Supremacy?
I'm defending law and natural law. The Civil War was an event that violated both existing law and natural law as understood by the Founders.
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It always amazes me how I can catch so much hell for still living in the summer of 2016 (GOP Primary), still and here you guys are still living in the summer of 1861.
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It always amazes me how I can catch so much hell for still living in the summer of 2016 (GOP Primary), still and here you guys are still living in the summer of 1861.
The course of a nation is steered by critical points in history. Pointing out where much of our troubles stem from specific critical points in history is not living in the past, it is an effort to educate people as to what went wrong and why.
For example, I constantly bitch about Jimmy Carter's Presidency, and point out that he will be almost singlehandedly responsible if Iran kills millions of people with a Nuclear Weapon.
I am not living in 1979, nor am I trying to live in 1979. I'm pointing out that at a critical juncture of history, the nation was led in the wrong direction and there will be bad consequences as a result.
Should we talk about 1963 and the 24th amendment? Should we talk about 1917 and America's entry into World War I?
We can discuss any critical point in history that you like, because all of them are relevant to the present mess in which we find ourselves.
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And work to change the management in our restaurant.
The rules have been rewritten at the last two GOP conventions by the Establishment to PREVENT any possible change in management.
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If you and @DiogenesLamp wish to defend White Supremacy, go along, don't expect others to go along with these lies.
Whoa, there *. You have a habit or going off on excursions from logic, but SHOW ME ANYWHERE I HAVE "DEFENDED WHITE SUPREMACY" I have absolutely no bleep idea how you got to that * bullshit statement, but, mother*, you can take that back.
Armies from the states of Massachusetts and Pennsylvania invaded my home state at Lincolon's behest and acted with all the grace most occupying armies do. They pilfered everything that wasn't nailed down. As a result, my family lost over half of their land. Habeas Corpus was suspended, and the State under Martial Law, even though it had not seceded.
Men were routinely apprehended, even while working in their fields and not heard from for months, and some never again. No charges need be brought, no trial. Think Gitmo in 1860. The same administration imprisoned the grandson of Francis Scott Key, with neither charges nor trial.
Rather than be grabbed thus, and with growing sentiment for the South, many of my ancestors and relatives crossed the Potomac and enlisted in the Confederate Army. One relative captained a raider, (CSS Alabama you may have heard of it.) Others served in artillery and infantry units.
The value of the land stolen from us is hundreds of millions of dollars today, considering that includes over 30 miles of waterfront. I'm not defending White Supremacy, I just hate having been stolen from. If the BLM folks can rant endlessly about slavery, I can damned sure rant about the Yankee occupiers stealing crops, over 600 horses, and other actions taken by occupying forces that directly led to the loss of 1000 acres of riverfront property and good farmland, and that is just the family in Maryland. Those in Missouri lost lumber mills, a horse breeding farm, and everything but the clothes on their backs, two nags, and a freight wagon to the Yankees, again, in a state that had not seceded.
But you have read the history books published in Massachusetts, New York, and Connecticut and think you know all about the War.
And no, I don't appreciate the imposition of the early income tax, nor the bastardization of the Federal Government into a National Government, nor any of the other depredations down the decades.
But let's get one thing straight, *. I may well be proud of my ancestry, why not? Most people are. I won't apologize for any acts taken by anyone other than myself, unless they are in my direct control, and definitely not for any by others in the past, well before my time.
But this bunch of people running around acting as racist as the black racists who by accident of genetics have lighter skin, whom you say I am supporting, well, they can get right in line behind you and kiss my ass. But you first, * because if you had said that * in front of me I'd have thrashed you on the spot.
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@DiogenesLamp I was being facetious. I realize my posting in such a manner, particularly on serious Threads, is not conducive to furthering discussion on said matter, but a little fun humour can go a long way on such a happy day.
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@DiogenesLamp I was being facetious. I realize my posting in such a manner, particularly on serious Threads, is not conducive to furthering discussion on said matter, but a little fun humour can go a long way on such a happy day.
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Sometimes I am too serious. I'll try to work on that.
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Cruz has already been lenient per green cards, why? To serve his constituency? Cruz is the one who talked about a bloodbath if the Senate doesn't start to get things done. What is all this talk about? And out at times, already campaigning.
El Paso, San Antonio and the lower Rio Grande valley and other cities are already blue. As I said, I like, love all people but don't necessarily love the way they vote.
We are rather fortunate just to have a Republican in the White House. If one just talks down whatever the GOP is, great, that is your opinion but things could be worse.
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Cruz has already been lenient per green cards, why? To serve his constituency? Cruz is the one who talked about a bloodbath if the Senate doesn't start to get things done. What is all this talk about? And out at times, already campaigning.
El Paso, San Antonio and the lower Rio Grande valley and other cities are already blue. As I said, I like, love all people but don't necessarily love the way they vote.
We are rather fortunate just to have a Republican in the White House. If one just talks down whatever the GOP is, great, that is your opinion but things could be worse.
In a line likely to surprise some Trump supporters, the president described the wall as "the least important thing we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important."
The conversation
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/345117-trump-asked-mexican-president-to-stop-publicly-saying-his-government
Trump Caves on DACA, Wants ‘Quick’ Amnesty for 800K Illegal Aliens
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/13/report-trump-caves-on-daca-wants-quick-amnesty-for-800k-illegal-aliens/
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Slavery is an ultimate evil, as usual, lost causers come up with sad arguments if not outright falsehoods on this.
Democrats, wrong side then, wrong side now.
This discussion has nothing to do with slavery as it was before the civil war. Except that today’s Republicans have joined with the Deamonrats, the party of one, to make us all tax slaves to the feral government.
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This discussion has nothing to do with slavery as it was before the civil war. Except that today’s Republicans have joined with the Deamonrats, the party of one, to make us all tax slaves to the feral government.
^^ THIS!
And a whole lot more.
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This discussion has nothing to do with slavery as it was before the civil war. Except that today’s Republicans have joined with the Deamonrats, the party of one, to make us all tax slaves to the feral government.
BINGO!
Read the paper at the link in my tagline.
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The rules have been rewritten at the last two GOP conventions by the Establishment to PREVENT any possible change in management.
...and they'll rewrite the rules again next convention if need be.
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...and they'll rewrite the rules again next convention if need be.
GOPe rules are driven by the top down. So bottom up grassroots have a difficult time breaking the mold of the national elite.
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GOPe rules are driven by the top down. So bottom up grassroots have a difficult time breaking the mold of the national elite.
The national elite have no interest in what the rank and file think. The polls they send out are only something to try to get you to donate. When I got agravated enough to quit donating years ago, they quit sending polls. I guess the response in the envelope wasn't worth processing without a donation, if it was ever looked at. From the constant leftward drift of policy (as practiced, lip service does not count), I'd say the only important thing in the return envelope was my check.
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The national elite have no interest in what the rank and file think. The polls they send out are only something to try to get you to donate. When I got agravated enough to quit donating years ago, they quit sending polls. I guess the response in the envelope wasn't worth processing without a donation, if it was ever looked at. From the constant leftward drift of policy (as practiced, lip service does not count), I'd say the only important thing in the return envelope was my check.
Really? It's been over 25 years since I donated to RNC, and they still send me those polls that they don't read.
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It's truly sad that people would defend a white supremacist society as the Confederacy was.
"Not a very good start" this.
The Bible reads:
That is about slavery.
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Texas is minority-majority now, Georgia, Florida and then, Tennessee and Mississippi are to follow along with Illinois. That's what is in the future. Watch for 2024, around there if not sooner. In the meantime, the brutality sent those victimized to all parts of the nation where it plagues us. Demographic shifts should have happened long ago. The war for independence for Texas was even partly fought for slavery to be an institution. Read your history to you. The North had no slaves, maybe less than 20 in New Jersey as it was being abolished, Missouri, Kentucky were not border states. Be happy looking for that. Then, we will see how practical the Constitution party will be.
Even humoring your stuff about slavery, what have the Republicans really accomplished since they looted and burned the South--aside from stealing a bunch of it for "back taxes". (Incidentally, that was the same ploy used to take ten million acres of land from my wife's ancestors. The people who were handing out the deeds to the land were often accompanied by the ones handing out tax liens. Being Chippewa, most didn't know the white man's language enough or have any cash, and the land was taken.)