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Title: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: geronl on February 01, 2017, 09:36:18 pm
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The Travis County sheriff’s new immigration policy goes into effect today. The policy limits what information local law enforcement share with the federal immigration agency, and it's already stirred up a lot of controversy.

This morning, Gov. Greg Abbott came through on a pledge to cancel $1.5 million in criminal justice grants from his office to Travis County over the policy.

So, what is this new policy from Sheriff Sally Hernandez, anyway?

She has directed deputies and staff of the Travis County Sheriff’s Department to not honor most warrantless requests from the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to extend the detention of people booked into the local jail. If there’s no warrant, the sheriff’s policy agrees to detain only those charged with murder, aggravated sexual assault or human smuggling.

Within days of making her policy public, Hernandez became the target of condemnation from Abbott, who argued her policy is a threat to public safety.
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http://keranews.org/post/gov-abbott-cuts-grants-travis-county-over-sanctuary-city-policy
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: truth_seeker on February 01, 2017, 10:05:29 pm

I wonder how the good citizen-voters, of Travis County TX feel about such policing practices?

Do they agree with their sheriff, or not?

Recall her is possible?

Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Sanguine on February 01, 2017, 10:11:02 pm
I wonder how the good citizen-voters, of Travis County TX feel about such policing practices?

Do they agree with their sheriff, or not?

Recall her is possible?

I guess this is one way to find out how they feel about her.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: txradioguy on February 01, 2017, 11:21:10 pm
I wonder how the good citizen-voters, of Travis County TX feel about such policing practices?

Do they agree with their sheriff, or not?

Recall her is possible?

Given the fact that Austin is the epicenter of all things Liberal in Texas...im guessing Austinites feel the sheriff hasn't gone far enough.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Victoria33 on February 01, 2017, 11:31:27 pm
A bill, or bills, are being prepared right now to remove any elected law enforcement official who refuses to carry out the laws of Texas and/or federal law.  Gov Abbott wants it retroactive so he can remove her now.  Don't mess with Abbott, his wheelchair is one mean chair.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Ghost Bear on February 02, 2017, 12:15:41 am
I wonder how the good citizen-voters, of Travis County TX feel about such policing practices?

Do they agree with their sheriff, or not?

Recall her is possible?

She campaigned for the office saying that she would make sure that Austin became a "sanctuary city", and won with 62% of the vote; her nearest competitor received 31%.  So yes, I think you can safely say that the majority of citizen-voters of Travis County agree with their new sheriff.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Wingnut on February 02, 2017, 12:26:20 am
Given the fact that Austin is the epicenter of all things Liberal in Texas...im guessing Austinites feel the sheriff hasn't gone far enough.

True.  Sure puts that Moron Rat Mayor Adler in a Jam.  He might have to make a stand.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Sanguine on February 02, 2017, 12:27:03 am
She campaigned for the office saying that she would make sure that Austin became a "sanctuary city", and won with 62% of the vote; her nearest competitor received 31%.  So yes, I think you can safely say that the majority of citizen-voters of Travis County agree with their new sheriff.

Yeah, I just spoke to somebody who knows somebody else, and the comment was "Abbott is a d##k".  That person used to be ethical and a clear thinker.  Sort of rocked me back on my heels.  Abbott is who you blame?  Really?
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: corbe on February 02, 2017, 12:36:31 am
   I really like my Governor, I must admit, since Richardson, they've all been pretty good.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on February 02, 2017, 12:37:33 am
   I really like my Governor, I must admit, since Richardson, they've all been pretty good.
I think you meant to say "after Richardson", didn't you?
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 02, 2017, 12:41:32 am
Yeah, I just spoke to somebody who knows somebody else, and the comment was "Abbott is a d##k".  That person used to be ethical and a clear thinker.  Sort of rocked me back on my heels.  Abbott is who you blame?  Really?

It's like Michigan.  Boards I've surfed, people swear Gov. Snyder personally strangled people in Flint, MI.  Do people think we elect Kings or something?
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: corbe on February 02, 2017, 01:06:23 am
I think you meant to say "after Richardson", didn't you?

  yes, Thank You @IsailedawayfromFR
   my thoughts get ahead of my fingers more often than NOT.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: the_doc on February 02, 2017, 01:09:28 am
I think you meant to say "after Richardson", didn't you?

I was about to raise the same question. 
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on February 02, 2017, 01:34:41 am
  yes, Thank You @IsailedawayfromFR
   my thoughts get ahead of my fingers more often than NOT.
I know sometime it gets tough.

And it was actually Richards not Richardson.  She is now peacefully buried in the Texas State Cemetery in Austin
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Wingnut on February 02, 2017, 01:36:20 am
I know sometime it gets tough.

And it was actually Richards not Richardson.  She is now peacefully buried in the Texas State Cemetery in Austin

But her daughter lives on.  You can not kill the beast of Planned Parenthood.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on February 02, 2017, 02:37:02 am
But her daughter lives on.  You can not kill the beast of Planned Parenthood.
Kinda ironic if a PP devotee and the daughter lives, eh?

Old Ann did not sign up soon enough did she?
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: corbe on February 02, 2017, 02:51:06 am
   How many of you youngins remember Claytie saying this?

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"If it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it"

   This was back in the days when Men were Men and Sheep were scared.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Sanguine on February 02, 2017, 02:53:31 am
   How many of you youngins remember Claytie saying this?

   This was back in the days when Men were Men and Sheep were scared.

I do remember it.  And, if he were still alive, I'd bet he still remembers it.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on February 02, 2017, 02:54:37 am
   How many of you youngins remember Claytie saying this?

   This was back in the days when Men were Men and Sheep were scared.
I know Clayton.  That was one of his milder quotes.

You should have heard some of the not-so-mild ones at the dinner I went to with him.  In mixed company.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Sanguine on February 02, 2017, 02:58:52 am
I know Clayton.  That was one of his milder quotes.

You should have heard some of the not-so-mild ones at the dinner I went to with him.  In mixed company.

I met him and his wife once at a cattle auction.  He was well-mannered for the brief time I was there.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: corbe on February 02, 2017, 02:59:52 am
I know Clayton.  That was one of his milder quotes.

You should have heard some of the not-so-mild ones at the dinner I went to with him.  In mixed company.

   I certainly believe it @IsailedawayfromFR and though Ann was just as Brash, she could get away with it.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on February 02, 2017, 03:04:34 am
Is it reallt THAT hard to just get a warrant?
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: txradioguy on February 02, 2017, 03:32:10 am
   How many of you youngins remember Claytie saying this?

   This was back in the days when Men were Men and Sheep were scared.

Yup. He was actually talking to his ranch hands down in Alpine and an AP reporter tagging along overhead him say it and reported it.

When it hit the papers we knew he was on his way back to Midland.

Claytie impressed me to no end back in 2003 right before I went back active duty...i was picking my wife up at the airport and he was on her flight from Houston..sat next to her actually...i hadn't seen him.in maybe 10 years and he called to me by name and asked how my dad was doing. Blew me away.

My wife asked me who he was and when I told her she was like "I'd have never guessed that he seemed like just a regular guy "

His summer ranch parties were legendary.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: txradioguy on February 02, 2017, 03:34:16 am
   How many of you youngins remember Claytie saying this?

   This was back in the days when Men were Men and Sheep were scared.

Funny thing was...he was talking about the rain falling at the time.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: geronl on February 02, 2017, 06:55:00 am
A bill, or bills, are being prepared right now to remove any elected law enforcement official who refuses to carry out the laws of Texas and/or federal law.  Gov Abbott wants it retroactive so he can remove her now.  Don't mess with Abbott, his wheelchair is one mean chair.

No Governor should have that power. Definitely not something that should be possible on a whim without some sort of process.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: txradioguy on February 02, 2017, 11:56:36 am
No Governor should have that power. Definitely not something that should be possible on a whim without some sort of process.

They take an oath to uphold and defend the laws of the state...if they fail to do that they should be removed.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Sanguine on February 02, 2017, 12:31:17 pm
Funny thing was...he was talking about the rain falling at the time.

Yeah, unfortunately he wasn't.   **nononono*
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Sanguine on February 02, 2017, 12:32:27 pm
No Governor should have that power. Definitely not something that should be possible on a whim without some sort of process.

I'm not sure I understand your argument.  Can you expand?
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: thackney on February 02, 2017, 01:19:51 pm
Yup. He was actually talking to his ranch hands down in Alpine and an AP reporter tagging along overhead him say it and reported it.

It wasn't just his ranch hands and one reporter.  There were campaign workers and other reporters there at the time.  They had gathered to watch some cattle roping.  His comment was in response to the reporters getting restless with the rainy morning.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/03/26/us/texas-candidate-s-comment-about-rape-causes-a-furor.html

http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/what-ever-happened-to-clayton-williams/
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on February 02, 2017, 01:34:21 pm
No Governor should have that power. Definitely not something that should be possible on a whim without some sort of process.
Did you even read the comment?  There is a BILL, which is created by the legislature that does indeed have the power.  They can both delegate their power or take it away at any time.  Does that qualify as a 'process' in your jargon?

If they wish to delegate, they certainly can as the way this country works the state is the final authority in all things absent a few that the states collectively have delegated to the federal government or cities within the state jurisdiction.

I am suspicious that you have nonsensical notion of an arbitrary Executive head of Texas who can rule at whim, and am really projecting at another at a federal level mentioned frequently in these threads.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Mod2 on February 02, 2017, 01:39:11 pm
Moved to immigration category because, well, the article's about immigration.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: txradioguy on February 02, 2017, 01:50:52 pm
Yeah, unfortunately he wasn't.   **nononono*

That's what prompted the comment.

Rain was falling and he compared it to rape.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: txradioguy on February 02, 2017, 01:54:09 pm
It wasn't just his ranch hands and one reporter.  There were campaign workers and other reporters there at the time.  They had gathered to watch some cattle roping.  His comment was in response to the reporters getting restless with the rainy morning.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/03/26/us/texas-candidate-s-comment-about-rape-causes-a-furor.html

http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/what-ever-happened-to-clayton-williams/

The way the local paper reported it (Midland Reporter-Telegram) was that it was one AP reporter tagging along while Williams was out herding cattle at his ranch in Alpine.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: geronl on February 02, 2017, 02:34:25 pm
They take an oath to uphold and defend the laws of the state...if they fail to do that they should be removed.

No single person should have that unilateral authority without some kind of process.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on February 02, 2017, 08:23:25 pm
No single person should have that unilateral authority without some kind of process.
Hey are you not reading posts?  It is already addressed.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,247184.msg1214220.html#msg1214220
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: geronl on February 02, 2017, 08:32:30 pm
Hey are you not reading posts?  It is already addressed.

I was responding to @Victoria33 's comment where she says Gov Abbott wants it retroactive so he can remove her now. Like I said, He should not be able to remove anyone, especially immediately. So that was the context of my post.

Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on February 02, 2017, 08:35:44 pm
I was responding to @Victoria33 's comment where she says Gov Abbott wants it retroactive so he can remove her now. Like I said, He should not be able to remove anyone, especially immediately. So that was the context of my post.
That is no basis to respond.  Legislature has authority to remove and can delegate.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: geronl on February 02, 2017, 08:37:22 pm
That is no basis to respond.  Legislature has authority to remove and can delegate.

I'm sorry, who are you to tell me what I can and comment on?
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Victoria33 on February 02, 2017, 08:39:38 pm
I was responding to @Victoria33 's comment where she says Gov Abbott wants it retroactive so he can remove her now. Like I said, He should not be able to remove anyone, especially immediately. So that was the context of my post.
@geronl

There is likely a public danger clause in this bill that will allow Abbott to remove her.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: Wingnut on February 02, 2017, 09:00:01 pm
@geronl

There is likely a public danger clause in this bill that will allow Abbott to remove her.

The Libs in Austin will rise up and protect her like an unborn fetus.

Oh wait.  Bad analogy.
Title: Re: Gov. Abbott Cuts Off Grants to Travis County Over 'Sanctuary City' Policy
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on February 03, 2017, 12:22:34 am
I'm sorry, who are you to tell me what I can and comment on?
Get off your high horse and try to have a reasonable conversation. I posted to you and you have failed to respond,

If you don't want to, just come out say it without the blather.