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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: HAPPY2BME on February 14, 2016, 03:23:30 am
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**DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE 9TH REPUBLICAN DEBATE '16?
TRUMP 54.79% (261,186 votes)
CRUZ 21.06% (100,371 votes)
RUBIO 13.07% (62,324 votes)
KASICH 5.32% (25,339 votes)
BUSH 3.18% (15,141 votes)
CARSON 2.58% (12,309 votes)
Total Votes: 476,670
http://www.drudgereport.com/nowscd.htm
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FYI, this particular polls has been 100% correct on national trending results.
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FYI, this particular polls has been 100% correct on national trending results.
I don't think so - didn't Trump come in second in Iowa?
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I don't think so - didn't Trump come in second in Iowa?
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You are right. I stand corrected.
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REAL CLEAR POLITICS DEBATE POLL (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/)
Trump + 20%
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Post GOP Debate Poll Results, One America News Network (http://www.oann.com/gopdebate/)
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TownHall Debate Poll (http://townhall.com/polltracker/)
2016 Republican Presidential Nomination
Donald Trump 31 %
Ted Cruz 21 %
Marco Rubio 20 %
Ben Carson 6 %
John Kasich 5 %
Jeb Bush 4 %
Chris Christie 3 %
Carly Fiorina 3 %
Lindsey Graham 0 %
George Pataki 0 %
Mike Huckabee 0 %
Bobby Jindal 0 %
Rand Paul 0 %
Rick Santorum 0 %
Scott Walker 0 %
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Washington Times Debate Poll (http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2016/feb/13/who-won-republican-debate-saturday-night/results/)
Donald Trump - 88%
Ted Cruz - 6%
Marco Rubio - 3%
John Kasich - 2%
Jeb Bush - 2%
Ben Carson - 0%
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Bot voting is meaningless!
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Bot voting is meaningless!
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How about trending?
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How about trending?
Based on bot voting also meaningless!
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The Drudge Poll is a stinking steaming pile of male bovine excrement and you know it. You take notice of the polls shown on Sunday's talking heads shows, or in the FOX focus poll, and you will see something completely different, because they have a proven way to gather these numbers. Rubio was the clear winner, and you don't even have to be in the tank for Rubio to see that. He needed a great night to make up for last week, and he got it in spades.
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Online self-selecting polls are absolutely meaningless.
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Online self-selecting polls are absolutely meaningless.
:amen: :thumbsup:
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So when polls showing that Trump will get his ass kicked by both Hillary and Sanders in the national election, polls are meaningless s#it, but when there are polls saying that Trump is leading/won a debate it's time to do the happy dance?
These guys...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1owcncKCHg
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So when polls showing that Trump will get his ass kicked by both Hillary and Sanders in the national election, polls are meaningless s#it, but when there are polls saying that Trump is leading/won a debate it's time to do the happy dance?
I don't do a happy dance over ANY poll and definitely not any useless internet poll!
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9/11 that's Dubya's fault.
Eminent domain? freedom is overrated.
Public discourse? F all y'all Fing F Fers!
Trump - F yeah!
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Trump says Bush deliberately lied about WMD in a GOP debate and online polls say he won? Sounds like many democrats voting to mess up polls. Or bot voting. I have not seen
a single analyst say that Trump did well. Not one.
It's the Ron Paul thing. Supporters flood worthless online polls.
In the end, it doesn't matter.
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Online self-selecting polls are absolutely meaningless.
Except if your guy ever comes out on top. :whistle:
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How in the hell is George W. Bush responsible for September 11th?
He was POTUS less than 8 months, when the attack came.
I'm disappointed in Trump. :chairbang:
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How in the hell is George W. Bush responsible for September 11th? He was POTUS less than 8 months, when the attack came.
I know this is like touching the third rail of Republican politics, so know in advance that my intentions are respectful and not in defense of Trump or anyone else.
I don't think W was "responsible" for September 11th. AQ gained its strength and developed its strategic plan under the Clinton administration, which IMO willfully ignored it.
But what we are loathe to even whisper among ourselves is: Does it really matter that W was in office for eight months? There are enough reports through the years since to give credibility to the claim that the CIA and Israel were warning of a major plot against the US.
W recovered quickly and rallied a wounded nation. For that I will always be grateful. But the question that will linger is whether or not W and his administration could have stopped the attack.
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Trump says Bush deliberately lied about WMD in a GOP debate and online polls say he won? Sounds like many democrats voting to mess up polls. Or bot voting. I have not seen
a single analyst say that Trump did well. Not one.
Even Powell has stated that things were not as they appear.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/19/17374212-iraq-war-10-years-later-where-are-they-now-colin-powell?lite
Powell stayed as secretary of state until the end of President Bush’s first term, before resigning in December 2004.In September 2005, during an interview with Barbara Walters (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Politics/story?id=1105979&page=1), he acknowledged that his assertions about Iraq’s WMD capabilities were a “blot” on his record, adding that it was “painful.”
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Bot voting is meaningless!
AFAIAC,thse polls are meaningless to me. I can not think of ANY set of circumstances that would have me voting for either Trump or JEB. Ain't going to happen.
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Where did this headline come from? It's not at the link provided.
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I know this is like touching the third rail of Republican politics, so know in advance that my intentions are respectful and not in defense of Trump or anyone else.
I don't think W was "responsible" for September 11th. AQ gained its strength and developed its strategic plan under the Clinton administration, which IMO willfully ignored it.
But what we are loathe to even whisper among ourselves is: Does it really matter that W was in office for eight months? There are enough reports through the years since to give credibility to the claim that the CIA and Israel were warning of a major plot against the US.
W recovered quickly and rallied a wounded nation. For that I will always be grateful. But the question that will linger is whether or not W and his administration could have stopped the attack.
Of course. When the savior of America raises this question, like lemmings his supporters turn into 9/11 truthers.
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How in the hell is George W. Bush responsible for September 11th?
He was POTUS less than 8 months, when the attack came.
I'm disappointed in Trump. :chairbang:
Here what you are saying BUT it happened on his watch and that cannot be changed. He should have listened to his CIA director and WHY did the bin Ladin family get out of the US with a national no fly ORDER in Place?
I guess have to read Stones book to find out? :whistle:
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Of course. When the savior of America raises this question, like lemmings his supporters turn into 9/11 truthers.
Shut up, you twit. I'm not a lemming.
Didn't take you long to go for the personal, did it? Just last night I was reading one of your posts thinking, Gee, sinkspur's making a reasoned, intelligent comment -- The kind I remember enjoy reading. Then, this crap again.
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Shut up, you twit. I'm not a lemming.
Didn't take you long to go for the personal, did it? Just last night I was reading one of your posts thinking, Gee, sinkspur's making a reasoned, intelligent comment -- The kind I remember enjoy reading. Then, this crap again.
My comment was not directed at you.
It's crap because 9/11 Truthers are nutso. Trump went full bore Truther last night.
Do you agree with him that Bush was responsible for 9/11?
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My mood last night was extremely sullen, largely due to Justice Scalia's passing but also because of dealings with regulatory bodies on the business front. I recorded the debates and engaged on about a 30-minute lag. I prayed silently that one takeaway of the debates would be some kind of optimism. Yes... Hope. The epic bs on display had just the opposite effect. What a clown show... The shallow attacks, childish animations, un-substantive points. Beautiful, wonderful, really great, amazing... idiot, liar, your dad, your brother... WMD's? Really?
And perhaps worse, I took a tour around various so-called conservative forums this morning... My God. Then, there is the glee on FB, twitter, and other social pages regarding the passing of a true patriot and brilliant legal mind. A man who understood the Constitutional construct of our nation.
Bernie... Hillary... Ignoring serious rule of law while trumpeting the petty...
I wouldn't be surprised if organized terrorist groups are tabling (not canceling) attack plans to see how badly we damage ourselves, how weak we become.
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How in the hell is George W. Bush responsible for September 11th?
He was POTUS less than 8 months, when the attack came.
I'm disappointed in Trump. :chairbang:
You're catching on. :dx1:
Look, if Trump had tried to make the case that GWB had not paid enough attention to his foreign intelligence briefings during his first eight months in office, then, okay: that might have been a reasonable argument. Not correct, I would judge, but still reasonable.
What Trump ought to have done, assuming he understands the issue sufficiently, is to point a finger of blame squarely at Bill Clinton, who so neglected and degraded our foreign intelligence capabilities (obtained mainly via CIA stations and the foreign service desks and then transmitted to DC for analysis) that we never put the pieces together.
I think that would have been a more effective argument for him - going after the Clinton Family as opposed to Jeb Bush's family.
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My mood last night was extremely sullen, largely due to Justice Scalia's passing but also because of dealings with regulatory bodies on the business front. I recorded the debates and engaged on about a 30-minute lag. I prayed silently that one takeaway of the debates would be some kind of optimism. Yes... Hope. The epic bs on display had just the opposite effect. What a clown show... The shallow attacks, childish animations, un-substantive points. Beautiful, wonderful, really great, amazing... idiot, liar, your dad, your brother...
And perhaps worse, I took a tour around various so-called conservative forums this morning... My God. Then, there is the glee on FB, twitter, and other social pages regarding the passing of a true patriot and brilliant legal mind. A man who understood the Constitutional construct of our nation.
Bernie... Hillary... Ignoring serious rule of law while trumpeting the petty...
I wouldn't be surprised if organized terrorist groups are tabling (not canceling) attack plans to see how badly we damage ourselves, how weak we become.
A very good assessment IMHO! :beer: :patriot:
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My mood last night was extremely sullen, largely due to Justice Scalia's passing but also because of dealings with regulatory bodies on the business front. I recorded the debates and engaged on about a 30-minute lag. I prayed silently that one takeaway of the debates would be some kind of optimism. Yes... Hope. The epic bs on display had just the opposite effect. What a clown show...
And perhaps worse, I took a tour around various so-called conservative forums this morning... My God. Then, there is the glee on FB, twitter, and other social pages regarding the passing of a true patriot and brilliant legal mind. A man who understood the Constitutional construct of our nation.
Bernie... Hillary... Ignoring serious rule of law while trumpeting the petty...
I wouldn't be surprised if organized terrorist groups are tabling (not canceling) attack plans to see how badly we damage ourselves, how weak we become.
Lando - please try not to let all of that get you down.
You know what? There are a lot of idiots out there, as there always have been. It is only an artifact of the technological genius that made services such as Facebook and Twitter possible that we are now fully able to hear them all speak at once.
Think instead that our nation was and still is capable of producing a man as brilliant, decent, kind, thoughtful, robust and positively impactful as Nino Scalia.
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You're catching on. :dx1:
Look, if Trump had tried to make the case that GWB had not paid enough attention to his foreign intelligence briefings during his first eight months in office, then, okay: that might have been a reasonable argument. Not correct, I would judge, but still reasonable.
What Trump ought to have done, assuming he understands the issue sufficiently, is to point a finger of blame squarely at Bill Clinton, who so neglected and degraded our foreign intelligence capabilities (obtained mainly via CIA stations and the foreign service desks and then transmitted to DC for analysis) that we never put the pieces together.
I think that would have been a more effective argument for him - going after the Clinton Family as opposed to Jeb Bush's family.
Just to be clear, Trump criticized President Bush, not the Bush familiy.
JB was the one that turned it into a personal attack by his "I am tired of people attacking MY brother".
President Bush's decisions are fair game.
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Just to be clear, Trump criticized President Bush, not the Bush familiy.
JB was the one that turned it into a personal attack by his "I am tired of people attacking MY brother".
President Bush's decisions are fair game.
Do you honestly believe that GW purposefully LIED about the intelligence he was receiving at the time in order to go into IRAQ?
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Do you honestly believe that GW purposefully LIED about the intelligence he was receiving at the time in order to go into IRAQ?
Is that what I said?
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Just to be clear, Trump criticized President Bush, not the Bush familiy.
JB was the one that turned it into a personal attack by his "I am tired of people attacking MY brother".
President Bush's decisions are fair game.
I heard exactly what he said. Donald Trump accused George Bush of being at least partially culpable for the deaths of over 3,000 Americans on 9/11, and then went on to strongly imply that the thousands of Americans who died in Iraq did so in vain.
In a saner time in America - which it appears is pretty much every time before now - the man would have been booed off stage, not by "donors", but by everyone.
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I heard exactly what he said. Donald Trump accused George Bush of being at least partially culpable for the deaths of over 3,000 Americans on 9/11, and then went on to strongly imply that the thousands of Americans who died in Iraq did so in vain.
In a saner time in America - which it appears is pretty much every time before now - the man would have been booed off stage, not by "donors", but by everyone.
Ok, once again, I said nothing in my post about 9/11....
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Just to be clear, Trump criticized President Bush, not the Bush familiy.
JB was the one that turned it into a personal attack by his "I am tired of people attacking MY brother".
President Bush's decisions are fair game.
So "Bush lied, people died" is a credible attack?
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Is that what I said?
Donald TRump did so that is the heart of the matter!
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So "Bush lied, people died" is a credible attack?
Is that what I said?
gezzz, don't let your emotions cloud your vision, it is hard to read... :beer:
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Donald TRump did so that is the heart of the matter!
I give up...
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Ok, once again, I said nothing in my post about 9/11....
I never said that you did.
But it was the explicit subject of Mr. Trump's attack on Jeb Bush, and it is not the first time that he has gone to that particular poisoned well.
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I said this on another thread but...
If you reside somewhere on the right-of-center political spectrum, you lost last night.
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I heard exactly what he said. Donald Trump accused George Bush of being at least partially culpable for the deaths of over 3,000 Americans on 9/11, and then went on to strongly imply that the thousands of Americans who died in Iraq did so in vain.
In a saner time in America - which it appears is pretty much every time before now - the man would have been booed off stage, not by "donors", but by everyone.
I did NOT watch the debate. Only reports and what I've seen here.
GWB was in NO way responsible for what happened on September 11th, 2001. Mr. Atta and the boyz were already here when Bush moved into the White House.
I do believe every soldier who died or was wounded in the Iraq Campaign....DID SO IN VAIN. But that lies, squarely in the hands of Barack Obama & Company.
Seeing the situation over there today, Gaddafi, Mubarak and even Saddam Hussein should be canonized as 'Saints', for stablizing their respective county.
New Boss...same as the Old Boss....but worse.
It also sheds light on the reasoning behind the declaration "Kill them all and let God sort it out"
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Here is but one of the headlines today about it!
http://www.wsj.com/articles/laurence-h-silberman-the-dangerous-lie-that-bush-lied-1423437950 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/laurence-h-silberman-the-dangerous-lie-that-bush-lied-1423437950)
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I said this on another thread but...
If you reside somewhere on the right-of-center political spectrum, you lost last night.
And, I would add, that even if you don't reside somewhere on the right-of-center political spectrum, you lost last night but are unable to recognize it.
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I do believe every soldier who died or was wounded in the Iraq Campaign....DID SO IN VAIN. But that lies, squarely in the hands of Barack Obama & Company.
EXACTLY right and THAT is what Trump SHOULD have said last night but didn't!
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But that lies, squarely in the hands of Barack Obama & Company.
And instead, we are led to a fratricidal fire drill by our frontrunner.
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GWB was in NO way responsible for what happened on September 11th, 2001. Mr. Atta and the boyz were already here when Bush moved into the White House.
I do believe every soldier who died or was wounded in the Iraq Campaign....DID SO IN VAIN. But that lies, squarely in the hands of Barack Obama & Company.
Seeing the situation over there today, Gaddafi, Mubarak and even Saddam Hussein should be canonized as 'Saints', for stablizing their respective county.
New Boss...same as the Old Boss....but worse.
It also sheds light on the reasoning behind the declaration "Kill them all and let God sort it out"
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Bigun, this is getting scary! :beer:
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I said this on another thread but...
If you reside somewhere on the right-of-center political spectrum, you lost last night.
BIG TIME, Lando!
Winning SIX of SIX coin tosses to win the majority of Iowa delegates? Scalia's passing?
By the time the mainstream media complex and DNC are finished riling up the population, every freaking knuckle-dragging contestant in Watter's World will be voting against Conservatives.
I'm literally sick to my stomach today.
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I can tell you this much! I am no longer willing to play nice with Trump supporters! I have joined the ranks of the he must be taken out by any means possible crowd!
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Bigun, this is getting scary! :beer:
I know you didn't address me, but, yes, it is. We are headed into uncharted waters here, and they look very choppy to those of us who can see.
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Bigun, this is getting scary! :beer:
Indeed it is! Time to take the gloves off and put an end to this Trump nonsense!
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Trump's on Meet the Press right now going Truther again. "Bush could have prevented 9/11. He should have known."
Oh, and "there were no WMDs. And Bush knew it."
There's your boy. MoveOn.org and Daily Kos couldn't be happier.
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Bigun, this is getting scary! :beer:
It's getting scary because if they don't stop this crap during these debates we are going to end up with a Pres Sanders or Clinton...
Did we learn anything new last night...NO..just another pissing contest imho
These candidates fall into these lib moderators trap during ea and every *debate*....
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I can tell you this much! I am no longer willing to play nice with Trump supporters! I have joined the ranks of the he must be taken out by any means possible crowd!
Welcome to the club, Bigun. I'm right there with ya!
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Bigun, this is getting scary! :beer:
I believe Scalia's passing indirectly benefits Trump...more than any other GOP candidate running.
Ted Cruz is the one suffering the most.
My reasoning is that the media will terrorize the public about the importance of electing a Democrat to keep 'Progressing', and not giving the Conservatives the power to stack the Supreme Court.
Cruz is unabashedly a Conservative. Trump...a Moderate Republican who will attract crossovers in the election.
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I believe Scalia's passing indirectly benefits Trump...more than any other GOP candidate running.
Ted Cruz is the one suffering the most.
My reasoning is that the media will terrorize the public about the importance of electing a Democrat to keep 'Progressing', and not giving the Conservatives the power to stack the Supreme Court.
Cruz is unabashedly a Conservative. Trump...a Moderate Republican who will attract crossovers in the election.
Moderate republican my a$$! Trump is a left wing DEMOCRAT and always has been!
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If y'all want to really get concerned, head over to FR and look at some the postings today. I took this sample with no edits:
Immigration at the high court: The coming decision
Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:09:00 AM · by Elderberry
philly.com ^ | 2/14/2016 | Josh Blackman
Hillary (2)
Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:06:39 AM · by NRx · 1 replies
Self Evident ^ | 02-05-2016 | Nemo
FactChecking the Ninth GOP Debate
Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:00:29 AM · by Citizen Zed · 9 replies
factcheck.org ^ | 2-14-2016
Antonin Scalia’s Death Could Mark End of Constitution
Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:00:08 AM · by Enlightened1 · 14 replies
Brietbart ^ | 02/13/16 | Ben Shapiro
Following death of Supreme Court Justice Scalia, here's President Obama's short list for replacement
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:58:59 AM · by Lazamataz · 10 replies
NY Daily News ^ | Feb 13, 2016 | BY LAURA BULT
Valerie Jarrett Unleashes Media Attack Upon Supreme Court Justice Scalia
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:57:13 AM · by MarvinStinson · 13 replies
DCWhispers ^ | December 11, 2015
India-born judge Srikanth Srinivasan favourite for elevation (Supreme Court)
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:56:09 AM · by KeyLargo · 7 replies
The Hindu ^ | 2/14/2016
When Hillary Clinton Killed Feminism (Maureen Dowd in NYT)
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:51:34 AM · by Salman · 13 replies
The New York Times ^ | FEB. 13, 2016 | Maureen Dowd
Twitter Is Gearing Up To Interfere In The Election
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:48:50 AM · by Citizen Zed · 3 replies
breitbart ^ | 2-12-2016 | MILO YIANNOPOULOS
He Warned Us About Islam Over 750 Years Ago… It’s Time To Listen
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:47:27 AM · by SandRat · 4 replies
Conservative Tribune ^
341 DAYS
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:44:58 AM · by Lazamataz · 5 replies
2/14/2016 | By Laz A. Mataz
How Scalia’s Death Affects This Term’s Biggest Supreme Court Cases
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:43:04 AM · by DeathBeforeDishonor1 · 3 replies
Slate ^ | 3/14/16
Jeb Bush on George W. Bush: 'My brother will help a lot'
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:38:20 AM · by jimbo123 · 26 replies
WPTZ ^ | 2/14/16 | Z. Byron Wolf
Why Ted Cruz's Preemptive Rejection of a Supreme Court Nominee Is Illegitimate
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:34:31 AM · by SMGFan · 31 replies
The Atlantic ^ | February 13, 2016 | Conor Friedersdorf
Obama says he’ll nominate a replacement for Scalia
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:33:59 AM · by Citizen Zed · 25 replies
Washington Post ^ | 2-13-2016 | Juliet Eilperin and Paul Kane
Scientists have discovered how to 'delete' unwanted memories
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:33:46 AM · by Dallas59 · 9 replies
The Telegraph ^ | 11 Feb 2016 | The Telegraph
Trump Goes Code Pink on George W. Bush
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:25:46 AM · by Oldeconomybuyer · 59 replies
Politico ^ | February 14, 2016 | By Michael Grunwald
Hour 1: Liberals Respond to Antonin Scalia’s Death with Hatred, Mockery, Joy
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:22:44 AM · by rktman · 11 replies
bretibart.com ^ | 2/13/2016 | unknown
Sen. Graham: Obama's Supreme Court pick needs to be a 'consensus' choice
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:22:44 AM · by DeathBeforeDishonor1 · 35 replies
Politico ^ | 3/13/15
Police: 4 killed, 9 wounded in Presidents Day weekend shootings
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:18:18 AM · by Oldeconomybuyer · 6 replies
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | February 13, 2016
Donald Trump names Wisconsin's Diane Sykes as possible Scalia replacement (Bill Pryor too)
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:13:45 AM · by jimbo123 · 14 replies
Fox 6 ^ | 2/14/16 | Fox 6
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I believe Scalia's passing indirectly benefits Trump...more than any other GOP candidate running.
Ted Cruz is the one suffering the most.
My reasoning is that the media will terrorize the public about the importance of electing a Democrat to keep 'Progressing', and not giving the Conservatives the power to stack the Supreme Court.
Cruz is unabashedly a Conservative. Trump...a Moderate Republican who will attract crossovers in the election.
So I'll mark you down as one who is perfectly comfortable with Trump's Trutherism. If you want the wacko vote, your boy certainly went for it last night and this morning.
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If y'all want to really get concerned, head over to FR and look at some the postings today. I took this sample with no edits:
Immigration at the high court: The coming decision
Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:09:00 AM · by Elderberry
philly.com ^ | 2/14/2016 | Josh Blackman
Hillary (2)
Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:06:39 AM · by NRx · 1 replies
Self Evident ^ | 02-05-2016 | Nemo
FactChecking the Ninth GOP Debate
Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:00:29 AM · by Citizen Zed · 9 replies
factcheck.org ^ | 2-14-2016
Antonin Scalia’s Death Could Mark End of Constitution
Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:00:08 AM · by Enlightened1 · 14 replies
Brietbart ^ | 02/13/16 | Ben Shapiro
Following death of Supreme Court Justice Scalia, here's President Obama's short list for replacement
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:58:59 AM · by Lazamataz · 10 replies
NY Daily News ^ | Feb 13, 2016 | BY LAURA BULT
Valerie Jarrett Unleashes Media Attack Upon Supreme Court Justice Scalia
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:57:13 AM · by MarvinStinson · 13 replies
DCWhispers ^ | December 11, 2015
India-born judge Srikanth Srinivasan favourite for elevation (Supreme Court)
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:56:09 AM · by KeyLargo · 7 replies
The Hindu ^ | 2/14/2016
When Hillary Clinton Killed Feminism (Maureen Dowd in NYT)
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:51:34 AM · by Salman · 13 replies
The New York Times ^ | FEB. 13, 2016 | Maureen Dowd
Twitter Is Gearing Up To Interfere In The Election
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:48:50 AM · by Citizen Zed · 3 replies
breitbart ^ | 2-12-2016 | MILO YIANNOPOULOS
He Warned Us About Islam Over 750 Years Ago… It’s Time To Listen
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:47:27 AM · by SandRat · 4 replies
Conservative Tribune ^
341 DAYS
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:44:58 AM · by Lazamataz · 5 replies
2/14/2016 | By Laz A. Mataz
How Scalia’s Death Affects This Term’s Biggest Supreme Court Cases
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:43:04 AM · by DeathBeforeDishonor1 · 3 replies
Slate ^ | 3/14/16
Jeb Bush on George W. Bush: 'My brother will help a lot'
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:38:20 AM · by jimbo123 · 26 replies
WPTZ ^ | 2/14/16 | Z. Byron Wolf
Why Ted Cruz's Preemptive Rejection of a Supreme Court Nominee Is Illegitimate
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:34:31 AM · by SMGFan · 31 replies
The Atlantic ^ | February 13, 2016 | Conor Friedersdorf
Obama says he’ll nominate a replacement for Scalia
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:33:59 AM · by Citizen Zed · 25 replies
Washington Post ^ | 2-13-2016 | Juliet Eilperin and Paul Kane
Scientists have discovered how to 'delete' unwanted memories
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:33:46 AM · by Dallas59 · 9 replies
The Telegraph ^ | 11 Feb 2016 | The Telegraph
Trump Goes Code Pink on George W. Bush
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:25:46 AM · by Oldeconomybuyer · 59 replies
Politico ^ | February 14, 2016 | By Michael Grunwald
Hour 1: Liberals Respond to Antonin Scalia’s Death with Hatred, Mockery, Joy
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:22:44 AM · by rktman · 11 replies
bretibart.com ^ | 2/13/2016 | unknown
Sen. Graham: Obama's Supreme Court pick needs to be a 'consensus' choice
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:22:44 AM · by DeathBeforeDishonor1 · 35 replies
Politico ^ | 3/13/15
Police: 4 killed, 9 wounded in Presidents Day weekend shootings
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:18:18 AM · by Oldeconomybuyer · 6 replies
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | February 13, 2016
Donald Trump names Wisconsin's Diane Sykes as possible Scalia replacement (Bill Pryor too)
Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:13:45 AM · by jimbo123 · 14 replies
Fox 6 ^ | 2/14/16 | Fox 6
These are perilous times we live in! NO doubt about it!
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So I'll mark you down as one who is perfectly comfortable with Trump's Trutherism. If you want the wacko vote, your boy certainly went for it last night and this morning.
Nope....I not comfortable whatsoever, Sink.
But, with a choice between Sanders, Clinton or Trump (the only GOP candidate that can take on the media), my duty is to hold my nose as I did with Dole and McCain.
....unlike you by abstaining, essentially giving a vote to a Socialst Marxist....after EIGHT years of Obama. **nononono*
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Nope....I not comfortable whatsoever, Sink.
But, with a choice between Sanders, Clinton or Trump (the only GOP candidate that can take on the media), my duty is to hold my nose as I did with Dole and McCain.
....unlike you by abstaining, essentially giving a vote to a Socialst Marxist....after EIGHT years of Obama. **nononono*
I only vote for conservatives, DC. Trump is not a conservative. Not in the least.
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In my world, there can be no defending the debate of last night. None.
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Nope....I not comfortable whatsoever, Sink.
But, with a choice between Sanders, Clinton or Trump (the only GOP candidate that can take on the media), my duty is to hold my nose as I did with Dole and McCain.
....unlike you by abstaining, essentially giving a vote to a Socialst Marxist....after EIGHT years of Obama. **nononono*
Cop out much? There is an alternative to Trump and YOU know it!
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In my world, there can be no defending the debate of last night. None.
If it is any kind of index, Trump actually made me feel somewhat warm toward Jeb Bush last night, and Bush would be quite nearly my last choice.
Time will tell, but I think Donald made a serious tactical error last night. Coming out of New Hampshire with a nice win and a head of steam, leading in SC by double digits, he would have done well to appear relaxed and Presidential, while directing most of his fire toward the Democrats. But I don't believe that ability is within him.
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As i was catching up on the posts since I went to bed last night, I think I read "Trump" and "moderate" in the same sentence.
I can't seem to come up with any s scenario where I can use those two words in one sentence and make any sort of sense.
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Trump's General Election weakness is clearly reflected in this forum.
He has a solid core of supporters who wouldn't give a shit if he clubbed baby seals to death while shoving a gigantic baseball bat up Lady Liberty's copper arse on national TV, and an even larger group of passiknats detractors who see him as a danger to the country.
His positive/negative rating is upside down.
Trump loses the General election to any old and tired wombat the DNC manages to nominate.
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My mood last night was extremely sullen, largely due to Justice Scalia's passing but also because of dealings with regulatory bodies on the business front. I recorded the debates and engaged on about a 30-minute lag. I prayed silently that one takeaway of the debates would be some kind of optimism. Yes... Hope. The epic bs on display had just the opposite effect. What a clown show... The shallow attacks, childish animations, un-substantive points. Beautiful, wonderful, really great, amazing... idiot, liar, your dad, your brother... WMD's? Really?
And perhaps worse, I took a tour around various so-called conservative forums this morning... My God. Then, there is the glee on FB, twitter, and other social pages regarding the passing of a true patriot and brilliant legal mind. A man who understood the Constitutional construct of our nation.
Bernie... Hillary... Ignoring serious rule of law while trumpeting the petty...
I wouldn't be surprised if organized terrorist groups are tabling (not canceling) attack plans to see how badly we damage ourselves, how weak we become.
Glad to know I'm not the only one that feels that way.
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Cop out much? There is an alternative to Trump and YOU know it!
I read your post where you promised to start going Native on Trump Supporters. :laugh:
There is NO alternative to Donald Trump if you want to see a GOP victory in November.
Cruz is Public Enemy #1 on Capitol Hill and in the MSM. Rubio is a 'child' among men. Jeb Bush is a Bush.
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As i was catching up on the posts since I went to bed last night, I think I read "Trump" and "moderate" in the same sentence.
I can't seem to come up with any s scenario where I can use those two words in one sentence and make any sort of sense.
Well, then grab a 2nd cup of coffee, my friend! :laugh:
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Indeed it is! Time to take the gloves off and put an end to this Trump nonsense!
Scalia died when he did to bring us together. Right on brother - let's unite to put an end to Trumpism and use anger constructively to persuade a nation to rise against the real enemy.
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I can tell you this much! I am no longer willing to play nice with Trump supporters! I have joined the ranks of the he must be taken out by any means possible crowd!
I've been saying this for a while. That his true colors are coming out more and more reinforces this. It has gotten to the point his campaign is a cross between Robert Downy Jr., A WWE storyline, and Alex Jones.
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If it is any kind of index, Trump actually made me feel somewhat warm toward Jeb Bush last night, and Bush would be quite nearly my last choice.
Time will tell, but I think Donald made a serious tactical error last night. Coming out of New Hampshire with a nice win and a head of steam, leading in SC by double digits, he would have done well to appear relaxed and Presidential, while directing most of his fire toward the Democrats. But I don't believe that ability is within him.
He really, really turned me off last night. I've given him plenty of room because of his usefulness so far in the process, and the hope that if he did become the established frontrunner, he'd change up his game and be the positive visionary that he is capable of being.
What I saw last night is a man who is not able to rise above the caricature of himself. He just kept attacking and getting crazier with it by the minute. I saw his after interview and he kept right with it. Then there was the whole truther thing, and the 'Bush lied' thing.
What I saw was a man who cannot control his impulses and reacts to any provocation with kneejerk scorched earth. I can't put my confidence in someone who can be prodded and goaded that easily to go unhinged.
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Scalia died when he did to bring us together. Right on brother - let's unite to put an end to Trumpism and use anger constructively to persuade a nation to rise against the real enemy.
Who's the 'real enemy', Jazzhead? Trump? Or the Marxist Left in the hands of Sanders or Clinton?
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Rubio's a "child"?
He won the debate last night:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-who-won-the-cbs-news-republican-debate-2016/
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Well, then grab a 2nd cup of coffee, my friend! :laugh:
I've had several.
There are a whole vocabulary worth of words I can think of to describe Donald Trump, but moderate isn't in there.
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I am going to do like that Black woman in Cincinnati did. She voted 8 to 12 times for Obama and claimed that it was justified because, she had a 'mission' to elect a Black man.
Well, Trump is the Obama for the White man. And I have a mission which is just as important as the Blacks.
The thing that worries me. The thing that is at my heart. Someone is going to kill Trump soon. He is too big. He is too revolutionary. Someone is going to try to kill him before the end of the year.
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Time will tell, but I think Donald made a serious tactical error last night. Coming out of New Hampshire with a nice win and a head of steam, leading in SC by double digits, he would have done well to appear relaxed and Presidential, while directing most of his fire toward the Democrats. But I don't believe that ability is within him.
SC is connected to the military like few other states. I think Trump's spasm of truther-ism, and insinuation that because of Bush our troops died in vain - without fingering Obama as the author of that shame - will be a bitter pill for South Carolinians to swallow. Remember, Dubya himself is scheduled to campaign in the state - Carolinians know he kept us safe.
Think Trump's jumped the shark?
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I am going to do like that Black woman in Cincinnati did. She voted 8 to 12 times for Obama and claimed that it was justified because, she had a 'mission' to elect a Black man.
Well, Trump is the Obama for the White man. And I have a mission which is just as important as the Blacks.
The thing that worries me. The thing that is at my heart. Someone is going to kill Trump soon. He is too big. He is too revolutionary. Someone is going to try to kill him before the end of the year.
Birther, Truther, "Bush lied, people died," full bore conspiracist, anti-vaxxer, lover of Planned Parenthood.
No. Trump won't be killed. He will be humiliated at the ballot box with a big fat "No thanks."
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I've had several.
There are a whole vocabulary worth of words I can think of to describe Donald Trump, but moderate isn't in there.
Trump is a pure unadulterated free-market Capitalist. One who thinks the market is too regulated by burdensome laws...laws passed by an Obama Administration.
That makes him a Conservative today....albeit a Moderate one based upon his other troubling statements.
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SC is connected to the military like few other states. I think Trump's spasm of truther-ism, and insinuation that because of Bush our troops died in vain - without fingering Obama as the author of that shame - will be a bitter pill for South Carolinians to swallow. Remember, Dubya himself is scheduled to campaign in the state - Carolinians know he kept us safe.
Think Trump's jumped the shark?
We have to hope. If he wins in SC, he won't be stopped and we'll be stuck with him.
He locked up the crazy vote last night.
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Who's the 'real enemy', Jazzhead? Trump? Or the Marxist Left in the hands of Sanders or Clinton?
The real enemy is Clinton/Sanders - and Trumpism is enabling them. Scalia's passing should inspire conservatives to get serious about what's at stake in this election. The events of last night make it plain - Trump cannot lead the Republican party - the stakes are too big and he's nutzo.
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Trump is a pure unadulterated free-market Capitalist. One who thinks the market is too regulated by burdensome laws...laws passed by an Obama Administration.
That makes him a Conservative today....albeit a Moderate one based upon his other troubling statements.
Please say that is sarcasm. Trump is an unapologetic crony corporatist, thriving in corruption of the highest order who uses his influence and dollars to create get his politicians to create burdensome laws and regulations to stifle his competitors and favor himself. Even his biggest apologists defend him on this saying 'it is just business'. His stated proposals don't even address a 'market too regulated by burdensome laws', on the contrary, look at how many times he has referenced if he is elected 'forcing' businesses to do one thing or another.
It is one of the main things so many of us who have followed him for so long point to when saying how he can't be trusted and he is no where near a Conservative Constitutionalist that is needed at this time.
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I'm hoping George W. takes on Trump directly this week just so Trump will come back at him with his usual nastiness. W is liked in SC and his trashing of Bush could backfire big time.
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Please say that is sarcasm. Trump is an unapologetic crony corporatist, thriving in corruption of the highest order who uses his influence and dollars to create get his politicians to create burdensome laws and regulations to stifle his competitors and favor himself. Even his biggest apologists defend him on this saying 'it is just business'. His stated proposals don't even address a 'market too regulated by burdensome laws', on the contrary, look at how many times he has referenced if he is elected 'forcing' businesses to do one thing or another.
It is one of the main things so many of us who have followed him for so long point to when saying how he can't be trusted and he is no where near a Conservative Constitutionalist that is needed at this time.
That's complete nonsense. Being a competitor in the business world as a business owner is not the same as being the POTUS, when taking action and strategies to "Make America Great Again!"
He's merely want to incentivize businesses to return to our country and use American workers....no different than New York State begging businesses to start up there in return for a decade of no taxes.
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That's complete nonsense. Being a competitor in the business world as a business owner is not the same as being the POTUS, when taking action and strategies to "Make America Great Again!"...
LOL, now I know you are being sarcastic. Good one. Had me worried for a minute. Way better than when I parody a Trump supporter, I'll give you that.
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It's getting scary because if they don't stop this crap during these debates we are going to end up with a Pres Sanders or Clinton...
Did we learn anything new last night...NO..just another pissing contest imho
These candidates fall into these lib moderators trap during ea and every *debate*....
These candidates fall into the se lib moderators RNC's trap during ea and every *debate*....
Sorry to disagree Myst - but as it was told to us by several members here - these debates are SPONSORED by the RNC (they get to pass the tickets out to whoever they choose - right?). It's not like these moderators are complete unknowns to the RNC. It's not like we haven't repeatedly seen these attempts to get brawls going instead of substantive debate time and time again.
There can be no doubt that the audience was stacked against the two outsiders that have a chance of defeating the establishment's three candidates (who are tanking), Trump and Cruz (obviously, Carson isn't seen as a threat). The audience was loudly booing and disrupting the debate whenever something was said that went against the establishment agenda. Other than Kasich and Carson - everyone else lost their cool at one time or another. It wasn't one of the Republican's finest hours.
But, in the end - WHO was the architect of this mess?
I don't agree with Trump that Bush lied about the WMD. I don't agree that 9/11 was his fault - although I do think that the administration dropped the ball - but that was a consequence of Clinton's doing. Still, the sitting president is going to take the heat - unless you are Obama, and then you blame everyone else.
Trump said he was against going into Iraq at the time we did - I was all for it, because I had great respect for Bush at the time. In hindsight - my feelings have changed. It was a mistake, what did it accomplish? As far as Obama causing it to become a waste of our precious soldier's lives and futures - yes, that blood is on his hands. But my overall feeling about it is that GWB's legacy is Obama.
He failed to set up a continuing legacy to complete the mission in Iraq when he apparently took bad advice from Karl Rove - failing to defend the constant barrage of attacks from the left - who kept repeating them unfettered until they became the truth in many people's eyes. He failed to have a Vice President that could run for office to have a continuum of his policies - deciding to instead - put us back to zero in having to come up with a candidate on our own. We got John McCain - oh goody. I blame that on George Bush.
So, while I think that Trump allowed his buttons to get pushed at the debate - which was the intent of the GOP - and he said some things that I don't agree with - and that I wish he hadn't - I put the onus on the RNC. This is what THEY wanted. They will always work harder to satisfy their own greedy desires than they will work to defeat Democrats. Always.
That's why I have no faith that they will fight Obama on his Supreme Court choice. No faith.
When you see huge crowds of people supporting someone who says he will tear this cabal down, remember who brought us to this place.
The GOP. Tearing defeat from the jaws of victory over and over again.
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LOL, now I know you are being sarcastic. Good one. Had me worried for a minute. Way better than when I parody a Trump supporter, I'll give you that.
Well, then, you should get a real kick out of this:
After missing last night, and seeing Trump's debate performance this morning on YouTube, I'm doubling down on m'man Trumpman... :patriot:
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Trump is a pure unadulterated free-market Capitalist. One who thinks the market is too regulated by burdensome laws...laws passed by an Obama Administration.
That makes him a Conservative today....albeit a Moderate one based upon his other troubling statements.
I don't know who coined the term "suspension of disbelief", but I think it applies to your post. Suspension of disbelief is what is necessary for a movie watcher to do in an effort to enjoy a fantasy movie or a movie where the main characters manage to single-handedly defeat the entire Vietnamese army, in Vietnam, armed with a butter spreader and a pound of fusilli without getting a scratch.
I need to suspend disbelief to accept the idea that anyone can be both an "unadulterated free-market Capitalist" and an enthusiastic supporter of eminent domain.
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Trump said he was against going into Iraq at the time we did
There is absolutely no record of Trump being against the war before the war:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/donald-trump-an-anti-iraq-activist-before-the-war-nope-not-r#.ugd52lVmg
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My comment was not directed at you.
It's crap because 9/11 Truthers are nutso. Trump went full bore Truther last night.
Do you agree with him that Bush was responsible for 9/11?
Your comment was directed at my post....which you obviously did not read. I do not hold Bush responsible for 9/11. That attack was developed and planned under the Clinton administration. And we all know that Clinton failed to kill OBL when he had the chance. So, the Clinton administration is responsible for the attack on 9/11.
But, I have since that terrible day wondered (often aloud) how the Bush administration missed the coming attack. I have always considered it an objective and reasonable question, although few would engage it. We would have asked the same question of any democrat in the Oval Office, even eight months into his tenure--and we would have quoted CIA and Israeli sources as the basis for our question.
Questioning how the Bush II administration missed the single worst attack on US soil is not a pretty question, nor is it an easy one. But it is fair.
And it is part of this election cycle because Jeb Bush wants us to trust that his ability to lead is passed through his bloodline, so thank him.
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Your comment was directed at my post....which you obviously did not read. I do not hold Bush responsible for 9/11. That attack was developed and planned under the Clinton administration. And we all know that Clinton failed to kill OBL when he had the chance. So, the Clinton administration is responsible for the attack on 9/11.
But, I have since that terrible day wondered (often aloud) how the Bush administration missed the coming attack. I have always considered it an objective and reasonable question, although few would engage it. We would have asked the same question of any democrat in the Oval Office, even eight months into his tenure--and we would have quoted CIA and Israeli sources as the basis for our question.
Questioning how the Bush II administration missed the single worst attack on US soil is not a pretty question, nor is it an easy one. But it is fair.
And it is part of this election cycle because Jeb Bush wants us to trust that his ability to lead is passed through his bloodline, so thank him.
My comment was not directed at anybody's post. It was directed to the universe of Trump supporters.
The 9/11 commission investigated the situation and circumstances thoroughly and did not blame Bush for it: http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Exec.pdf
Question has been asked and answered. That conspiracy nutballs (whom Trump has given legitimacy to) still "wonder" about it is not surprising, considering that many of the same people "wonder" about vaccines causing autism (as Trump still does).
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Sorry to disagree Myst - but as it was told to us by several members here - these debates are SPONSORED by the RNC (they get to pass the tickets out to whoever they choose - right?). It's not like these moderators are complete unknowns to the RNC. It's not like we haven't repeatedly seen these attempts to get brawls going instead of substantive debate time and time again.
There can be no doubt that the audience was stacked against the two outsiders that have a chance of defeating the establishment's three candidates (who are tanking), Trump and Cruz (obviously, Carson isn't seen as a threat). The audience was loudly booing and disrupting the debate whenever something was said that went against the establishment agenda. Other than Kasich and Carson - everyone else lost their cool at one time or another. It wasn't one of the Republican's finest hours.
But, in the end - WHO was the architect of this mess?
I don't agree with Trump that Bush lied about the WMD. I don't agree that 9/11 was his fault - although I do think that the administration dropped the ball - but that was a consequence of Clinton's doing. Still, the sitting president is going to take the heat - unless you are Obama, and then you blame everyone else.
Trump said he was against going into Iraq at the time we did - I was all for it, because I had great respect for Bush at the time. In hindsight - my feelings have changed. It was a mistake, what did it accomplish? As far as Obama causing it to become a waste of our precious soldier's lives and futures - yes, that blood is on his hands. But my overall feeling about it is that GWB's legacy is Obama.
He failed to set up a continuing legacy to complete the mission in Iraq when he apparently took bad advice from Karl Rove - failing to defend the constant barrage of attacks from the left - who kept repeating them unfettered until they became the truth in many people's eyes. He failed to have a Vice President that could run for office to have a continuum of his policies - deciding to instead - put us back to zero in having to come up with a candidate on our own. We got John McCain - oh goody. I blame that on George Bush.
So, while I think that Trump allowed his buttons to get pushed at the debate - which was the intent of the GOP - and he said some things that I don't agree with - and that I wish he hadn't - I put the onus on the RNC. This is what THEY wanted. They will always work harder to satisfy their own greedy desires than they will work to defeat Democrats. Always.
That's why I have no faith that they will fight Obama on his Supreme Court choice. No faith.
When you see huge crowds of people supporting someone who says he will tear this cabal down, remember who brought us to this place.
The GOP. Tearing defeat from the jaws of victory over and over again.
Very thoughtful and well said. goopo
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Your comment was directed at my post....which you obviously did not read. I do not hold Bush responsible for 9/11. That attack was developed and planned under the Clinton administration. And we all know that Clinton failed to kill OBL when he had the chance. So, the Clinton administration is responsible for the attack on 9/11.
But, I have since that terrible day wondered (often aloud) how the Bush administration missed the coming attack. I have always considered it an objective and reasonable question, although few would engage it. We would have asked the same question of any democrat in the Oval Office, even eight months into his tenure--and we would have quoted CIA and Israeli sources as the basis for our question.
Questioning how the Bush II administration missed the single worst attack on US soil is not a pretty question, nor is it an easy one. But it is fair.
And it is part of this election cycle because Jeb Bush wants us to trust that his ability to lead is passed through his bloodline, so thank him.
The Bush administration wasn't responsible for 9/11, but like all presidents, his administration was accountable for it happening on his watch; it's where the buck stops, etc.
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My comment was not directed at anybody's post. It was directed to the universe of Trump supporters.
The 9/11 commission investigated the situation and circumstances thoroughly and did not blame Bush for it: http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Exec.pdf
Question has been asked and answered. That conspiracy nutballs (whom Trump has given legitimacy to) still "wonder" about it is not surprising, considering that many of the same people "wonder" about vaccines causing autism (as Trump still does).
It's also telling that no Democrat candidate has blamed Bush for the 9/11 attacks. Democrats in general have spent over a decade blaming Bush for every imaginable thing, but not for 9/11.
Trump, the moderate, blames Bush.
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The Bush administration wasn't responsible for 9/11, but like all presidents, his administration was accountable for it happening on his watch; it's where the buck stops, etc.
I've known you long enough to know that that is NOT what you believed in the post 9/11, pre Trumpian world.
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The Bush administration wasn't responsible for 9/11, but like all presidents, his administration was accountable for it happening on his watch; it's where the buck stops, etc.
What the hell does that mean? He wasn't responsible but he should take responsibility?
Stop defending Trump on this. He's wrong and nutty on it.
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The Bush administration wasn't responsible for 9/11, but like all presidents, his administration was accountable for it happening on his watch; it's where the buck stops, etc.
Thanks for distilling my rather long-winded post to it's essence.
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He really, really turned me off last night. I've given him plenty of room because of his usefulness so far in the process, and the hope that if he did become the established frontrunner, he'd change up his game and be the positive visionary that he is capable of being.
What I saw last night is a man who is not able to rise above the caricature of himself. He just kept attacking and getting crazier with it by the minute. I saw his after interview and he kept right with it. Then there was the whole truther thing, and the 'Bush lied' thing.
What I saw was a man who cannot control his impulses and reacts to any provocation with kneejerk scorched earth. I can't put my confidence in someone who can be prodded and goaded that easily to go unhinged.
Respect.
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Grab on to your chair. I also think Vietnam was a mistake and caused the wasted death of too many of my generation. What evidence have I that Vietnam is another example in the long line of government blunder and deceit? A unified Vietnam (>1975) never did not result in chaos or any sort of threat to Western democracy after Saigon "fell."
But, a post-invasion Iraq has resulted in chaos and Middle Eastern instability and direct threats to America and Americans.
Governments often beat the drums of war without any real dialogue with the sons and daughters of the supposed "self governing" citizens who are asked to sacrifice their lives.
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Grab on to your chair. I also think Vietnam was a mistake and caused the wasted death of too many of my generation. What evidence have I that Vietnam is another example in the long line of government blunder and deceit? A unified Vietnam (>1975) never did not result in chaos or any sort of threat to Western democracy after Saigon "fell."
But, a post-invasion Iraq has resulted in chaos and Middle Eastern instability and direct threats to America and Americans.
Governments often beat the drums of war without any real dialogue with the sons and daughters of the supposed "self governing" citizens who are asked to sacrifice their lives.
We live in a representative Republic, not a direct democracy. The Constitution provides for elected legislators to make decisions about war. Kumbaya "dialogue" sessions are nice, but we don't have a mechanism for "self-governing" citizens to vote up or down on such issues. If they don't like a decision, they can vote their legislator out.
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Hmmm... I suspect some of his shouted-about trade tariffs and penalties for US companies moving overseas smack of being punitive in nature. But then, I can't know because, well... I'm not even sure because it will be beautiful. I'm sure our trade partners will love it, they'll pay for stuff we will build, and we'll love it. They'll love it. Damn, wins for everybody. Well, except for that broadened eminent domain interpretation. Free markets except where I choose to be punitive and controlling. Damn, he's the One of the Right.
I just wish he'd turn that ire towards the Democrats with specificity.
Listen, I have not directed one personal comment at supporters of the frontrunner. But last night embarrassed the whole process. Just his facial mocking and pantomimes were Theater of the Absurd. It mocked... us. In my view, we should be deeply ashamed.
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We have been told there was at least one big PAC aimed at taking down Trump and Cruz. Bush and Rove names come to mind.
Tickets to SC debate allocated to fill the seats with "establishment" candidate supporters, Trump detractors.
Goad Trump into mistakes, ridicule him. It worked. This is how Bush gets back in the running.
I did not see the debate, and only heard a little on the radio.
Will Trump quit of go independent, on the basis that the RNC didn't treat him as he expected?
The thing "checklist conservatives" don't understand is that Trump's supporters already expect every trick in the book to harm their guy.
So when the expected comes along, they don't turn on him; they turn more towards him.
I vow to vote the the Republican nominee, because in comparison he will be much better than the democrat.
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Hmmm... I suspect some of his shouted-about trade tariffs and penalties for US companies moving overseas smack of being punitive in nature. But then, I can't know because, well... I'm not even sure because it will be beautiful. I'm sure our trade partners will love it, they'll pay for stuff we will build, and we'll love it. They'll love it. Damn, wins for everybody. Well, except for that broadened eminent domain interpretation. Free markets except where I choose to be punitive and controlling. Damn, he's the One of the Right.
I just wish he'd turn that ire towards the Democrats with specificity.
Listen, I have not directed one personal comment at supporters of the frontrunner. But last night embarrassed the whole process. Just his facial mocking and pantomimes were Theater of the Absurd. It mocked... us. In my view, we should be deeply ashamed.
That brings up a question: has DT leveled any criticism at Clinton or Sanders? I haven't heard any, but I freely admit to suffering from DT fatigue and not following him as closely as I could.
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Grab on to your chair. I also think Vietnam was a mistake and caused the wasted death of too many of my generation. What evidence have I that Vietnam is another example in the long line of government blunder and deceit? A unified Vietnam (>1975) never did not result in chaos or any sort of threat to Western democracy after Saigon "fell."
But, a post-invasion Iraq has resulted in chaos and Middle Eastern instability and direct threats to America and Americans.
Governments often beat the drums of war without any real dialogue with the sons and daughters of the supposed "self governing" citizens who are asked to sacrifice their lives.
Ac you speak the truth. You put your life on the line for us - we can never thank you guys enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f33qUqdZapw
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We have been told there was at least one big PAC aimed at taking down Trump and Cruz. Bush and Rove names come to mind.
Tickets to SC debate allocated to fill the seats with "establishment" candidate supporters, Trump detractors.
Goad Trump into mistakes, ridicule him. It worked. This is how Bush gets back in the running.
I did not see the debate, and only heard a little on the radio.
Will Trump quit of go independent, on the basis that the RNC didn't treat him as he expected?
The thing "checklist conservatives" don't understand is that Trump's supporters already expect every trick in the book to harm their guy.
So when the expected comes along, they don't turn on him; they turn more towards him.
I vow to vote the the Republican nominee, because in comparison he will be much better than the democrat.
Must have been the booing that caused Trump to bring up his Truther views, his "Bush lied, people died" meme.
Nothing this man does is ever his fault.
A Republican Obama.
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That brings up a question: has DT leveled any criticism at Clinton or Sanders? I haven't heard any, but I freely admit to suffering from DT fatigue and not following him as closely as I could.
Yes, at his rallies Trump is fierce against Clinton and Sanders.
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It ain't me
It ain't me
I ain't no 'fortunate' one (by far and far away, and I am still not)
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What I saw last night is a man who is not able to rise above the caricature of himself.
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I do not understand his statement. The caricature of himself is who he is. You want him to rise above 'himself'. Whom do you wish him to be? Should he be someone else. Should he morph into Jeb Bush for you?
Trump is Trump. He is who he is. That is exactly what is driving all the slimy parasites in government crazy. Trump is not controlled, and it scares the crap out of everyone. 'Control' is what the government is all about.
The idea of have a 'real citizen' President, who is not 'part of the club', is something they cannot digest.
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Yes, at his rallies Trump is fierce against Clinton and Sanders.
Hmmm. I haven't attended Trump rallies, so must get my news from the media. I do know that he criticized her for taking a bathroom break during a debate, but I'm wondering if he's criticized either for anything substantive and important?
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Hmmm. I haven't attended Trump rallies, so must get my news from the media. I do know that he criticized her for taking a bathroom break during a debate, but I'm wondering if he's criticized either for anything substantive and important?
Donald Trump attacks Hillary Clinton (https://www.google.com/search?q=donald+trump+attacks+hillary+clinton&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
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Where did this headline come from? It's not at the link provided.
http://www.drudgereport.com/nowscd.htm (http://www.drudgereport.com/nowscd.htm)
It's on the page after the link where you vote. Just click on the url above and you will see it.
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http://www.drudgereport.com/nowscd.htm (http://www.drudgereport.com/nowscd.htm)
It's on the page after the link where you vote. Just click on the url above and you will see it.
It was a headline on Drudge. I saw it there.
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Donald Trump attacks Hillary Clinton (https://www.google.com/search?q=donald+trump+attacks+hillary+clinton&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
OK, that pulled up 3 stories about DT going after HRC for her husband's affairs. I'm still not seeing anything, like "she's a leftist, she's for big government, she lies", etc. Thanks for those links though. I'll keep looking.
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I'm hoping George W. takes on Trump directly this week just so Trump will come back at him with his usual nastiness. W is liked in SC and his trashing of Bush could backfire big time.
Scott Lincicome@scottlincicome
At this point, I half-expect Trump to yell "FIRE CAN'T MELT STEEL JEB" at the next debate, and then see his poll numbers go up 2 days later
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It ain't me
It ain't me
I ain't no 'fortunate' one (by far and far away, and I am still not)
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What I saw last night is a man who is not able to rise above the caricature of himself.
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I do not understand his statement. The caricature of himself is who he is. You want him to rise above 'himself'. Whom do you wish him to be? Should he be someone else. Should he morph into Jeb Bush for you?
Trump is Trump. He is who he is. That is exactly what is driving all the slimy parasites in government crazy. Trump is not controlled, and it scares the crap out of everyone. 'Control' is what the government is all about.
The idea of have a 'real citizen' President, who is not 'part of the club', is something they cannot digest.
So billionaire Archie Bunker (with a side of Nixon) for President? Now that's a citizen-President!
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It ain't me
It ain't me
I ain't no 'fortunate' one (by far and far away, and I am still not)
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What I saw last night is a man who is not able to rise above the caricature of himself.
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I do not understand his statement. The caricature of himself is who he is. You want him to rise above 'himself'. Whom do you wish him to be? Should he be someone else. Should he morph into Jeb Bush for you?
Trump is Trump. He is who he is. That is exactly what is driving all the slimy parasites in government crazy. Trump is not controlled, and it scares the crap out of everyone. 'Control' is what the government is all about.
The idea of have a 'real citizen' President, who is not 'part of the club', is something they cannot digest.
A caricature is an exaggeration of your (often worst) qualities, physical or personality wise, that someone else draws or describes. The DT we saw last night was exactly the man that his detractors have said he is.
So basically instead of proving them wrong, he played into their hands, and made it questionable whether he was anyone but that guy. A guy that can't rise above cheap shots taken at him, is easily goaded or baited, and when his buttons pushed goes unhinged with just random, crazy, scorched earth rants.
That's the kind of guy that can be played and manipulated. Instead of projecting strength last night, he projected deep vulnerability. He sounded like a petty, catty mob wife at a hair salon in Queens, frothing and ranting for half an hour because Teena Marie called her a snobby bitch with bad fake hair at a party last week.
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In my world, there can be no defending the debate of last night. None.
I can tell you this! The top executives at SEE BS News are dancing a jig over what they pulled off last night!
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I read your post where you promised to start going Native on Trump Supporters. :laugh:
There is NO alternative to Donald Trump if you want to see a GOP victory in November.
Cruz is Public Enemy #1 on Capitol Hill and in the MSM. Rubio is a 'child' among men. Jeb Bush is a Bush.
B.S. ! That is precisely WHY we should nominate Cruz!
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Trump is a pure unadulterated free-market Capitalist. One who thinks the market is too regulated by burdensome laws...laws passed by an Obama Administration.
That makes him a Conservative today....albeit a Moderate one based upon his other troubling statements.
NO he isn't! He's a crony capitalist at best and I don't really think he is any kind of capitalist!
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Please say that is sarcasm. Trump is an unapologetic crony corporatist, thriving in corruption of the highest order who uses his influence and dollars to create get his politicians to create burdensome laws and regulations to stifle his competitors and favor himself. Even his biggest apologists defend him on this saying 'it is just business'. His stated proposals don't even address a 'market too regulated by burdensome laws', on the contrary, look at how many times he has referenced if he is elected 'forcing' businesses to do one thing or another.
It is one of the main things so many of us who have followed him for so long point to when saying how he can't be trusted and he is no where near a Conservative Constitutionalist that is needed at this time.
:amen: I responded to the same post before I saw this one and YOU are right on the mark!
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I can tell you this! The top executives at SEE BS News are dancing a jig over what they pulled off last night!
Who sponsored this? The RNC! THAT'S who is dancing a jig!
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Who sponsored this? The RNC! THAT'S who is dancing a jig!
Maybe BOTH of them are!
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The idea of have a 'real citizen' President, who is not 'part of the club', is something they cannot digest.
Too bad Jimmy Stewart won't be available to play him in the movie.
"Citizen" Trump indeed.
The regular guy fighting the corrupt, slimy politicians who ruined America at the bequest of their masters, the greedy, amoral rich and monied elite who buys politicians wholesale.
Wait... Trump IS the guy who buys those politicians.
So saying that Trulp is the solution to corrupt politicians in government is kind of like saying that the bast way to defeat Isis is to put Muhammad in charge of our military.
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Trump says Bush deliberately lied about WMD in a GOP debate and online polls say he won? Sounds like many democrats voting to mess up polls. Or bot voting. I have not seen
a single analyst say that Trump did well. Not one.
The TRUMPSKULLS are touting a GOOGLE Hits "Poll"
YES the Donull....America Most Malleable Candidate.....got more HITS on GOOGLE..during the so called debate..and HE tweeted that.....as evidence...of his having "won"...
we are living in... a STUPID NEW WORLD!!
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Too bad Jimmy Stewart won't be available to play him in the movie.
"Citizen" Trump indeed.
The regular guy fighting the corrupt, slimy politicians who ruined America at the bequest of their masters, the greedy, amoral rich and monied elite who buys politicians wholesale.
Wait... Trump IS the guy who buys those politicians.
He even invites them to his weddings.
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How in the hell is George W. Bush responsible for September 11th?
He was POTUS less than 8 months, when the attack came.
I'm disappointed in Trump. :chairbang:
so am I.
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Hmmm. I haven't attended Trump rallies, so must get my news from the media
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I haven't attended one either...but the good news is you can watch them live through multiple websites. I'd be happy to track down his schedule for this and post it for you. His rallies are informative and enthusiastic--well worth the time, IMO.
I do know that he criticized her for taking a bathroom break during a debate, but I'm wondering if he's criticized either for anything substantive and important?
Yes, Hillary took a beating from a lot of people for the now infamous bathroom break---many right here on this site. But Trump routinely "speaks to" Hillary's global legacy as Secretary of State, Benghazi, her email scandal and approaching jail time, the Iran agreement and her husband's legacy. With Sanders, Trump is focused on his communist economic plans.
Trump's also quite good at taking it to the democrats in general, including Obama and Kerry. The crowds love it! ^-^
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BIG TIME, Lando!
Winning SIX of SIX coin tosses to win the majority of Iowa delegates? Scalia's passing?
By the time the mainstream media complex and DNC are finished riling up the population, every freaking knuckle-dragging contestant in Watter's World will be voting against Conservatives.
I'm literally sick to my stomach today.
I know exactly how you feel. Crying yesterday....to sick to my stomach.
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It's getting scary because if they don't stop this crap during these debates we are going to end up with a Pres Sanders or Clinton...
Did we learn anything new last night...NO..just another pissing contest imho
These candidates fall into these lib moderators trap during ea and every *debate*....
after the devastating news of Scalia, watched some of that debate the part of wmd's.....just sat in horror wondering wtf.
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I'm feeling the same way. After all the events of yesterday plus seeing the events continuing to rachet up in the ME, my inner 'head for the hills' alarm has been blaring inside my head the last couple of days.
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In my world, there can be no defending the debate of last night. None.
agree with you.
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I'm feeling the same way. After all the events of yesterday plus seeing the events continuing to rachet up in the ME, my inner 'head for the hills' alarm has been blaring inside my head the last couple of days.
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The 'cat fighting' in the GOPe will be the least of our problems if global war breaks out with B.H.O. holding the football.
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The 'cat fighting' in the GOPe will be the least of our problems if global war breaks out with B.H.O. holding the football.
He's not going to engage us in anything nuclear. Are you kidding me?
He wants Assad to fall. He sold weapons to the rebels through the Turkish representative that night in Benghazi.
He's "Mr. Mayhem".
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Trump and Drudge for the win, again: Matt Drudge’s army is bigger than the RNC’s
(http://media.salon.com/2015/12/trump_drudge_resize-620x412.jpg)
Well, that was brutal. Wasn’t it? The Republican presidential debate in South Carolina on Saturday night was a real knife fight, and it was cheered on by a vocal audience that made us feel like it was held in the Colosseum. It was unbelievable, like a work of fiction, but it wasn’t. The story of last night’s debate can be told as a Tale of Two Audiences.
If you were gauging by the audience reactions — or the pundits after on cable news — you would think that the frontrunner for the Republican nomination, Donald Trump, had a really rough night. Every time he opened his mouth he was met with loud boos. When the others spoke, especially Jeb Bush, they were cheered loudly. The analysts after, once again, wondered if Trump had gone too far. Trump, meanwhile, in his “Spin Room” interviews after the debate touted the early numbers on Drudge calling him the winner. Do we really still need to debate which analysis matters more?
That’s not because most GOP voters hated what Trump had to say, it’s because they weren’t in the audience. Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, scraped up a bunch of GOP loyalists to build a made for TV, pro-establishment, anti-Trump audience to cheer on their establishment more establishment candidates against the unconventional anti-establishment Trump.
There was a different story unfolding on the popular conservative news aggregator site, The Drudge Report. Once again, the most striking illustration of the reaction of the majority of GOP voters that make up the party’s anti-establishment conservative base is the Drudge Report’s online readers poll. In Drudge’s poll of hundreds of thousands of readers, Trump dominated by more than 2-1 over the next closest competitor, Ted Cruz. Of course, it’s not a scientific poll, but it’s probably a much better reflection of how the debate was received by real Republican primary voters than the vocal reactions of the establishment packed debate audience.
The results after some 400,000 votes: Trump 55 percent. Cruz second at 21. Rubio third at just under 13 percent. Then Kasich, Bush and Carson, in that order, in single digits.
I’ve written before about influence of Matt Drudge and his online poll, and it continues to help paint a picture of the political reality inside the GOP. Drudge has carefully curated the news content on his site to build a massive anti-establishment army that is much bigger than the loyal GOP establishment. Size matters in 2016, and Matt Drudge’s audience is bigger than Reince Preibus’s.
The problem for Preibus and the Republican establishment is that there just aren’t that many of them left anymore. Their numbers have dwindled over the years as more and more longtime Republicans, like me, have left the party. Honestly, the 1,500 establishment loyalists in the debate audience versus the hundreds of thousands of Drudge poll voters is probably a pretty good proportional representation of the breakdown of the reality in the Republican Party today.
The all-out war inside the GOP between the establishment loyalists and Drudge’s army was on display during the debate last night, and it was loud and raucous. The loudest loyalist boos at Trump came when he stood on that stage in the traditionally pro-Bush state of South Carolina and essentially blamed the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2011 on former President George W. Bush. Bush is still very popular among GOP elites, especially there. In fact, his brother, presidential candidate Jeb Bush, will be campaigning with the former president in South Carolina this week.
The real weakness of the GOP establishment will be measured on Saturday in the because it will show, in real hard numbers, just how many traditional Republicans are left. If Trump can blame 9-11 on establishment icon George W. Bush and then win the South Carolina primary, then we’ll know that the old Republican Party just doesn’t exist anymore. If that doesn’t sink his campaign, then nothing will, and he will be the GOP nominee. We’ll know for sure on Saturday, but the Drudge Poll today has given us a hint.
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He's not going to engage us in anything nuclear. Are you kidding me?
He wants Assad to fall. He sold weapons to the rebels through the Turkish representative that night in Benghazi.
He's "Mr. Mayhem".
yes....as much as he wants us to fall.
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Trumpism and Reaganism (Reagan Revisionism and the Impudent Snobs) (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,195195.0.html)
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Trumpism and Reaganism (Reagan Revisionism and the Impudent Snobs) (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,195195.0.html)
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Cruz supported legalization.
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(http://i.imgur.com/Xxn9Dzn.jpg)
It's like anyone of a dozen members could have written the caption.... :laugh:
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(http://i.imgur.com/Xxn9Dzn.jpg)
It's like anyone of a dozen members could have written the caption.... :laugh:
A cult.
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A cult.
A losing cult.
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Throw up (an appropriate phrase,IMHO) any sort of poll you want,but Rubio winning means America loses and will be lost forever.
American can't even continue as she is currently and hope to survive. We MUST reverse the immigration invasion that has now became a powerful voting block of people dedicated to destroying our way of life. Rubio wants to throw the borders open.
THIS is the issue that has Trump,for all him many faults,leading in so many of the polls. At this point what is important is that he is saying it,even if he doesn't believe it himself because it is helping to wake people up,it fires up the people who have been concerned and talking about this for years,and in some districts it might be enough to convince some politicians they have to fight this problem if they want to stay in office.
If Rubio or someone like him takes over the WH this time,but the time our next elections are held any politician that wants to keep his job will be voting to throw the doors open wider and let anybody and everybody in with no question,while turning American into a socialist state until we go broke and turn 3rd world ourselves.
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Rubio wants to throw the borders open.
That is an abject lie. A complete fabrication.
Rubio has steadfastly supported increased border security. The "Gang of Eight" bill has border security at its center piece by
(1) Roughly doubling the number of Border Patrol agents stationed along the U.S.-Mexico border, to at least 38,405.
(2) Completing 700 miles of pedestrian fencing along the border, which would require approximately 350 new miles of fencing.
(3) Installing a host of new security measures and technologies in specified locations along the border, including specific numbers of surveillance towers, camera systems, ground sensors, radiation detectors, mobile surveillance systems, drones, helicopters, airborne radar systems, planes and ships.
(4) Implementing a system for all employers to verify electronically their workers' legal status.
(5) Setting up a new electronic system to track people leaving the nation's airports and seaports.
—The border security improvements are designed to achieve 100 percent surveillance of the border with Mexico and ensure that 90 percent of would-be crossers are caught or turned back.
—If the goals of a 90 percent effectiveness rate and continuous surveillance on the border are not met within five years, a Southern Border Security Commission made up of border-state governors and others would determine how to achieve them.
—Border security spending in the bill totals around $46 billion.
The "Rubio wants to throw the borders open" crap is just that... crap.
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Throw up (an appropriate phrase,IMHO) any sort of poll you want,but Rubio winning means America loses and will be lost forever.
American can't even continue as she is currently and hope to survive. We MUST reverse the immigration invasion that has now became a powerful voting block of people dedicated to destroying our way of life. Rubio wants to throw the borders open.
THIS is the issue that has Trump,for all him many faults,leading in so many of the polls. At this point what is important is that he is saying it,even if he doesn't believe it himself because it is helping to wake people up,it fires up the people who have been concerned and talking about this for years,and in some districts it might be enough to convince some politicians they have to fight this problem if they want to stay in office.
If Rubio or someone like him takes over the WH this time,but the time our next elections are held any politician that wants to keep his job will be voting to throw the doors open wider and let anybody and everybody in with no question,while turning American into a socialist state until we go broke and turn 3rd world ourselves.
Almost all of Rubio's financial support is from open borders people like Rupert Murdoch! Like it or not that is the TRUTH!
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That is an abject lie. A complete fabrication.
Rubio has steadfastly supported increased border security. The "Gang of Eight" bill has border security at its center piece by
(1) Roughly doubling the number of Border Patrol agents stationed along the U.S.-Mexico border, to at least 38,405.
(2) Completing 700 miles of pedestrian fencing along the border, which would require approximately 350 new miles of fencing.
(3) Installing a host of new security measures and technologies in specified locations along the border, including specific numbers of surveillance towers, camera systems, ground sensors, radiation detectors, mobile surveillance systems, drones, helicopters, airborne radar systems, planes and ships.
(4) Implementing a system for all employers to verify electronically their workers' legal status.
(5) Setting up a new electronic system to track people leaving the nation's airports and seaports.
—The border security improvements are designed to achieve 100 percent surveillance of the border with Mexico and ensure that 90 percent of would-be crossers are caught or turned back.
—If the goals of a 90 percent effectiveness rate and continuous surveillance on the border are not met within five years, a Southern Border Security Commission made up of border-state governors and others would determine how to achieve them.
—Border security spending in the bill totals around $46 billion.
The "Rubio wants to throw the borders open" crap is just that... crap.
Do you ever get tired of being pimped out by the RNC?
There is a "but" attached to every talking point you posted. He wants to speed up the process of making illegals into citizens. He wants to increase the number of legal aliens allowed into the US,and he wants to make it easier for them to obtain citizenship.
Maybe your personal interests in this outweighs your loyalty to America?
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Almost all of Rubio's financial support is from open borders people like Rupert Murdoch! Like it or not that is the TRUTH!
SHOCKING that someone named "Luis Gonzalez" would be a Rubio fan boi,ain't it?
Putting ethnicity ahead of patriotism is what is going to destroy America. It's a numbers game,and it's the game being played by those whose goal it is to destroy our country and turn us into a shareholder in the "North American Economic Zone,Inc".
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Marco Rubio’s New Billionaire Backer Top Funder for Open Borders
http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2015/10/31/marco-rubios-new-billionaire-backer-top-funder-open-borders/
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SHOCKING that someone named "Luis Gonzalez" would be a Rubio fan boi,ain't it?
Putting ethnicity ahead of patriotism is what is going to destroy America. It's a numbers game,and it's the game being played by those whose goal it is to destroy our country and turn us into a shareholder in the "North American Economic Zone,Inc".
Playing the race card?
How very Obama of you.
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That's enough. Make your point without namecalling or remarks about another poster's ethnicity. This goes for everyone.
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Playing the race card?
How very Obama of you.
No,Luis,it is YOU playing the race card by supporting the POS Rubio BECAUSE LIKE YOU,HE IS A HIS-PANIC AND WANTS MORE HIS AND HER PANICS IN AMERICA IN ORDER TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY.
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SHOCKING that someone named "Luis Gonzalez" would be a Rubio fan boi,ain't it?
Putting ethnicity ahead of patriotism is what is going to destroy America. It's a numbers game,and it's the game being played by those whose goal it is to destroy our country and turn us into a shareholder in the "North American Economic Zone,Inc".
Suggesting patriotism is determined by surname is below the standards which this site followed before your recent arrival.
But I see you are doing your best to lower those standards.
BTW can we dissect and scrutinize your surname, ethnicity, family history, etc.?
I HAVE SEVERAL HIGH SCHOOL CLASSMATES WITH HISPANIC NAMES, NOW IN OUR 60S, THAT SERVED IN COMBAT IN Vietnam.
You would demean their service? You are the one that is not a patriot, not them.
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No,Luis,it is YOU playing the race card by supporting the POS Rubio BECAUSE LIKE YOU,HE IS A HIS-PANIC AND WANTS MORE HIS AND HER PANICS IN AMERICA IN ORDER TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY.
I'm sorry but I don't buy that at all! Rubio is just doing what his financial backers are requiring him to do. Nothing more than that!
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That's enough. Make your point without namecalling or remarks about another poster's ethnicity. This goes for everyone.
We are to ignore the 700 lb gorilla that is in the room that is named "Ethnicity"?
America is NOT about ethnicity,it's about individual freedoms,which is something the "identity crowd" seem to ignore. We let them get away with this at the risk of losing America.
There are plenty of people with Spanish surnames or backgrounds that don't play that "identity politics" game,and letting someone get away with it is insulting to them.
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I said, "That's enough." Consider this a warning. No personal attacks.
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No,Luis,it is YOU playing the race card by supporting the POS Rubio BECAUSE LIKE YOU,HE IS A HIS-PANIC AND WANTS MORE HIS AND HER PANICS IN AMERICA IN ORDER TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY.
Actually (sadly) I'm a Jeb guy, but you go right on with your personal attacks and your racist stereotyping. It's cute, in a weird asshat kind of a way.
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The MOD has responded to this...please move on...anymore of this kind of personal attack will result in a suspension.
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Marco Rubio’s New Billionaire Backer Top Funder for Open Borders
http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2015/10/31/marco-rubios-new-billionaire-backer-top-funder-open-borders/
We'll get to that in a minute, right after we settle our original discussion.
So, on video, Cduz wants to more than double legal immigration, raise H1B visas 500% and agrees that granting Legal Permiment Resident status to the millions already here would be the fair and humane thing to do.
How does this wash with his oft repeated claim that he's never supported legalization?
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Actually (sadly) I'm a Jeb guy, but you go right on with your personal attacks and your racist stereotyping. It's cute, in a weird asshat kind of a way.
Rubio is just a younger and better-looking version of JEB. They could become co-presidents and you wouldn't be able to tell who was in charge from day to day without a schedule.
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We'll get to that in a minute, right after we settle our original discussion.
So, on video, Cduz wants to more than double legal immigration, raise H1B visas 500% and agrees that granting Legal Permiment Resident status to the millions already here would be the fair and humane thing to do.
How does this wash with his oft repeated claim that he's never supported legalization?
It doesn't,and I have never heard of Cruz saying those things,although I THINK I MAY have heard him say something similar to to granting permanent legal status to the illegal invaders already here. I do NOT agree with that and think there is even a federal law against someone profiting from the commission of a crime which would make doing that illegal.
The reality is that the numbers/ethnicity game has already been played to the point where we have things like Motor Voters and no proof of citizenship required to vote,so any politician that says illegal aliens should be deported is unlikely to be elected.
After this election,you will be able to change "unlikely" to "impossible". Which is why this country was not formed as a democracy.
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We'll get to that in a minute, right after we settle our original discussion.
So, on video, Cduz wants to more than double legal immigration, raise H1B visas 500% and agrees that granting Legal Permiment Resident status to the millions already here would be the fair and humane thing to do.
How does this wash with his oft repeated claim that he's never supported legalization?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,195199.msg786413.html#msg786413
That's all the response you are going to get Luis!
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Rubio is just a younger and better-looking version of JEB. They could become co-presidents and you wouldn't be able to tell who was in charge from day to day without a schedule.
'Cept Jeb's a true-blue American son of of the Lone Star State which blows your whole "you support the Latino because you're a Latino" thing to Hell.
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I've been saying that we have a problem in the GOP today, where we have tolerated, if not fostered in the case of Trump, hate of another's race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation simply because it's a different race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Case in point... the Mormon hate in the case of Romney. It was more than just TOS.
What was said here is just another example of it.
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(We need another Buckley to cast that out of the GOP and revoke membership of any politician or candidate that espouses it. We did it with David Duke and Pat Buchanan... and we need to do it again.)
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Disgusting post, just like his previous one.
ROFLMAO! I apologize for offending your delicate sensibilities,Princess.
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I've been saying that we have a problem in the GOP today, where we have tolerated, if not fostered in the case of Trump, hate of another's race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation simply because it's a different race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Case in point... the Mormon hate in the case of Romney. It was more than just TOS.
What was said here is just another example of it.
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(We need another Buckley to cast that out of the GOP and revoke membership of any politician or candidate that espouses it. We did it with David Duke and Pat Buchanan... and we need to do it again.)
Are you really so PC and clueless you consider me and Pat Buchanan to be Neo-Nazi'S or Kluckers?
You really don't get out much,do you?
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Really do not need any apologies from you and could care less about your juvenile name calling. I have no delicate sensibilities, as I have been involved in politics for 40 plus years. I'm just pointing out your borderline racist line of attack on Luis, focusing on ethnicity as the main reason he is supporting Rubio because of surnames, is disgusting and surprising to be read on this site.
BTW Thank you Truth-seeker for your post :patriot:: Suggesting patriotism is determined by surname is below the standards which this site followed before your recent arrival.
But I see you are doing your best to lower those standards.
LOL!
Sumbodie call de PC police,there is an American running around in here!
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Last warning, the reprimands have already been issued, stop picking at the scabs. Either post on the TOPIC of the thread, or it will be locked.
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I've been saying that we have a problem in the GOP today, where we have tolerated, if not fostered in the case of Trump, hate of another's race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation simply because it's a different race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Case in point... the Mormon hate in the case of Romney. It was more than just TOS.
What was said here is just another example of it.
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(We need another Buckley to cast that out of the GOP and revoke membership of any politician or candidate that espouses it. We did it with David Duke and Pat Buchanan... and we need to do it again.)
Agree 100 percent. A candidate that exploits bigotry for votes is unworthy of respect, and should be cast out of the GOP. My fear is that even if Buckley were around today, he'd be disrespected by the nihilists.
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Damn those bigoted Americans:
Donald Trump has scored his highest numbers in a Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday that found him with a 2-1 lead among Republican voters nationwide, with 39 percent.
He's followed by Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida with 19 percent and Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas with 18 percent, according to a Quinnipiac University National poll released today. Ohio Gov. John Kasich has 6 percent with former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Dr. Ben Carson at 4 percent each. Nine percent are undecided.
http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Q-poll-Freight-train-Trump-had-2-1-lead-6835989.php
I guess some folks saw through the phony RNC-stacked audience at Saturday's debate.
I guess also some folks liked what Trump was saying, because the polls after his "disastrous" debate performance went up for Trump.
Damn those Republican bigots. Say, that sounds familiar. Who is always calling republicans bigots? That's right: the left!
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I've been saying that we have a problem in the GOP today, where we have tolerated, if not fostered in the case of Trump, hate of another's race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation simply because it's a different race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Case in point... the Mormon hate in the case of Romney. It was more than just TOS.
What was said here is just another example of it.
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(We need another Buckley to cast that out of the GOP and revoke membership of any politician or candidate that espouses it. We did it with David Duke and Pat Buchanan... and we need to do it again.)
I am clearly not a Trump supporter, but that goes over the line, John. Trump is not, from all that I have heard, promoting racism in any way. Your statement is simply not true.
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I've been saying that we have a problem in the GOP today, where we have tolerated, if not fostered in the case of Trump, hate of another's race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation simply because it's a different race, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Case in point... the Mormon hate in the case of Romney. It was more than just TOS.
What was said here is just another example of it.
First of all, it's fascinating that irony is apparently lost on you.
You lump Trump in with racism, bigotry and homophobia... and summarize it's simply ignorance at the introduction to people 'different' from us.
That said, virtually every major city in America found their immigrant populations grouping together. Humans seek safety in numbers. Thus, you have "Chinatown", "Little Italy", "Kaisertown", and even "Little Havanas". And this was back during WWI.
This time around it's Muslim communities that will spring up.
It's sad that the GOP has to 'use' Donald Trump to win the White House, but that's the reality on the ground.
But understand that there is ALWAYS a method to Trump's madness. He may feel he's peaked with Conservatives and has to create his own army of "Blue Dog" Democrats and Independents.
It was a huge risk to attack GWB in South Carolina. If he still wins convincingly, then to one degree or another, we've all underestimated the anger of the typical RED-blooded American.
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It doesn't,and I have never heard of Cruz saying those things,although I THINK I MAY have heard him say something similar to to granting permanent legal status to the illegal invaders already here. I do NOT agree with that and think there is even a federal law against someone profiting from the commission of a crime which would make doing that illegal.
The reality is that the numbers/ethnicity game has already been played to the point where we have things like Motor Voters and no proof of citizenship required to vote,so any politician that says illegal aliens should be deported is unlikely to be elected.
After this election,you will be able to change "unlikely" to "impossible". Which is why this country was not formed as a democracy.
Do you know the name of the oldest city in the United States is?
It's St. Augustine.
St. Augustine is also the oldest continuously occupied European-established settlement and port in the continental United States.
Europeans... you know... Spaniards.
Do you know what the name of the oldest, still-standing house in the the oldest continuously occupied European-established settlement and port in the continental United States is?
(http://www.pointofinterestroadsigns.com/images/florida/gonzalezalvarezhouse.gif)
So when you say that there's an American running around in here, you're talking about me newcomer.
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.Damn those Republican bigots.
NO, that's a pernicious slander. Trump's bigots aren't Republican bigots. They're his own. Trump should be cast out to run as an independent. Then he can attact all the bigots he wants and I could care less.
I don't want anyone like Trump as the face of my party. The GOP is the party of Lincoln. Let him and his followers find their own pile of mud to play in.
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The posters on this forum are extremely politically aware and knowledgeable about both current events and our historical roots. That we differ in some of our political viewpoints and ideas on how to solve the problems facing our Nation should not ever lead to questions of patriotism or who is an American. Luis and I have had some real differences of opinion on policies, but I have the greatest respect for his knowledge, his background...and his patriotism. It is people like Luis and several more of you here, some of whom I disagree with vehemently about issues and candidates, that put this forum in a class above. For a few months, this had degenerated into constant insults to a point where there was little else of substantive political dialogue. It's not like that now, and hopefully desires to label those here with any assorted attacks or slams will be rejected by one's keyboard, or if not by those appointed to do so.
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NO, that's a pernicious slander. Trump's bigots aren't Republican bigots. They're his own. Trump should be cast out to run as an independent. Then he can attact all the bigots he wants and I could care less.
I don't want anyone like Trump as the face of my party. The GOP is the party of Lincoln. Let him and his followers find their own pile of mud to play in.
Donald Trump is our Peyton Manning.
When Indianapolis Colts gave up on Peyton Manning, John Elway's Denver Broncos grabbed him.
And we ALL know how THAT worked out, don't we?
It's Trump or Nuthin'
If You Expect to Win!
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Enough. Thread is locked since it is apparent that it can no longer remain on TOPIC.