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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on May 26, 2019, 01:38:40 pm
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Trump never revoked John Brennan's security clearance
by Daniel Chaitin
| May 25, 2019 04:16 PM
President Trump never revoked former CIA Director John Brennan's security clearance.
The president announced in August that Brennan's security clearance was being stripped due to "erratic behavior" that disqualified him from having access to sensitive information.
But the White House never followed through with the complicated bureaucratic process of revocation, a source told the New York Times.
A CIA spokesperson declined to comment, telling the Washington Examiner the agency does not discuss individual security clearances. The White House did not immediately return a request for comment.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-never-revoked-john-brennans-security-clearance (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-never-revoked-john-brennans-security-clearance)
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Not cool if true.
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The fact that Brennan ever had a security clearance and was in the highest levels of government is beyond disturbing. Not stripping it from him- incomprehensible.
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Figures.
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Figures.
I figured. Trumps own incompetency has been his own downfall.
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So typical of Trump to make bold EMPTY statements and his cheerleaders clap like trained seals and all is well in the world regardless of whether he follows through or not.
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So typical of Trump to make bold EMPTY statements and his cheerleaders clap like trained seals and all is well in the world regardless of whether he follows through or not.
The only place Trump appears to have good follow-through is on the golf course.
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I figured. Trumps own incompetency has been his own downfall.
As well as his incredibly self-destructive staffing choices.
He has some kind of masochistic urge to hire people who want nothing more than to sabotage every aspect of his agenda. That has been the most confusing peculiarity of Trump to me.
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I figured. Trumps own incompetency has been his own downfall.
LOL! Too much.
John Brennan can't fart anymore without President Trump knowing about it. Brennan's/Obama's Operation Hammer will be divulged.
An operation set up to blackmail/extort private citizens such as John Roberts.
Think of it in terms as a permanent lock (GPS) on Brennan's a**.
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President Trump forgot. He's got a lot on his mind between investigations and Gorilla Channel marathons.
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Trump and his team could not appear to be more ineffective. If true that Brennan did not have his clearance removed, then I ask, who the hell is running this country, because it sure as hell is not the president!
I consider everyone involved in this coup against Trump to have committed sedition and treason, worthy of the most severe punishment. I say indict, comvict, and line them up and shoot their rotten hides, and do it now, not four years from now.
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You all believe...EVERYTHING..that is written or on TV? LOL
@ Ghosen. President TRUMP is incompetent? You a billionaire? You a president? You, in Japan right now, as guest of honor?
You had 3 American hostages released from N.K.? You bringing in manufacturing? You created..US.MCA?
@2408. How about..THAT many corrupt, lying people in GOVERNMENT? NOT ON PRESIDENT. He gives everyone a chance...then when they show their corruption...'YOUR FIRED". I just can't believe some of you people on here.
President is now RESPONSIBLE for peoples bad character? And he is supposed to be clairvoyant? TELL ME..TODAY..who else is a 'bad choice". Maybe..you all know AHEAD of time, those 'Bad choice's". Tell me now.
After the fact, 20/20 is meaningless. After all..you are all so much smarter, then a billionaire, president of USA!
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Trump and his team could not appear to be more ineffective. If true that Brennan did not have his clearance removed, then I ask, who the hell is running this country, because it sure as hell is not the president!
I consider everyone involved in this coup against Trump to have committed sedition and treason, worthy of the most severe punishment. I say indict, comvict, and line them up and shoot their rotten hides, and do it now, not four years from now.
There isn't a long enough wall, and there aren't enough lamp posts in DC to hang 'em all.
Sounds like shift work.
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There isn't a long enough wall, and there aren't enough lamp posts in DC to hang 'em all.
Sounds like shift work.
Lost my post; this should do.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjqyyCehn-0#)
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This is problematic on so many levels.
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John Brennen was mentor to Obama & butt buddys, from someone in gay community who knew this. Brennan also, islamist.
Brennen was double agent to Russia. They hate him too.
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There isn't a long enough wall, and there aren't enough lamp posts in DC to hang 'em all.
Sounds like shift work.
YES. Why don't people understand that? :thumbsup:
They blame the only man working FOR AMERICA! HOW SAD. They might as well be democrats. Maybe they are?
C.T.R. = program by DNC to demoralize Americans & NOT VOTE FOR PRESIDENT. Seems it is working.
CORRECT THE RECORD. DNC..DAVID BROCK plan to demoralize Americans.
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What is ineffective? WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GPI7YeClsE#)
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Once again, proving that Trump is a hot mess who will not go down well in the history books.
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In very simple terms: Brennan is the bad guy, not Trump.
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I wouldn't react to strongly to this unsourced report.
If you read both the original article and the NYT article linked from within, you see nothing but "someone supposedly told someone at the NYT."
The NYT (Haberman) article is filled with what you would expect.
I am waiting for some further confirmation of this as a fact.
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In very simple terms: Brennan is the bad guy, not Trump.
He worse than a "bad guy." (I will leave it at that.)
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Trump says he's going to do a lot of things that he never does. Like his campaign promises which he didn't keep.
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The only on-topic facts in the article are: 1) President Trump ordered the clearance revoked and 2) The clearance was not revoked. Aside from the passing mention the revocation is complicated and involves bureaucracies there's no mention of where things broke down.
The whole second half of the article was not about the revocation, it was a dutiful reporting of Brennan's latest word salads.
A disappointing article from this publication.
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Another article:
Attempts to revoked Brennan’s security clearance were “hampered by aides who slow-rolled the President and by Justice Department officials who fought Trump, warning he was jeopardizing national security,†reported the Times.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/ex-cia-chief-john-brennan-still-has-his-security-clearance-even-though-president-trump-revoked-it-last-summer/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/ex-cia-chief-john-brennan-still-has-his-security-clearance-even-though-president-trump-revoked-it-last-summer/)
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As well as his incredibly self-destructive staffing choices.
He has some kind of masochistic urge to hire people who want nothing more than to sabotage every aspect of his agenda. That has been the most confusing peculiarity of Trump to me.
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On the mark.
The wise Heraclitus understood that "Character is Destiny"
as we determine our fate by our character.
Trump's behavior continually affirms that he is consumed
by emotion rather than intelligence, despite his absurd
assertion of genius.
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Another article:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/ex-cia-chief-john-brennan-still-has-his-security-clearance-even-though-president-trump-revoked-it-last-summer/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/ex-cia-chief-john-brennan-still-has-his-security-clearance-even-though-president-trump-revoked-it-last-summer/)
This is what bothers me. It's as if the Executive bureaucracy is now the 4th branch of govt, the President has little power to stop them.
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As well as his incredibly self-destructive staffing choices.
He has some kind of masochistic urge to hire people who want nothing more than to sabotage every aspect of his agenda. That has been the most confusing peculiarity of Trump to me.
That's a fact. One of the President's biggest flaws was relying upon the word of deep staters when picking his staffs. Sessions comes first to mind, in addition to keeping any hold-overs from Obastard.
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This is what bothers me. It's as if the Executive bureaucracy is now the 4th branch of govt, the President has little power to stop them.
That's a fact, Jack. It's hard to imagine how many laws there are containing the phrase, "The Secretary will decide..." Obastardcare is riddled with them.
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This is what bothers me. It's as if the Executive bureaucracy is now the 4th branch of govt, the President has little power to stop them.
And, rooting that out would be earth-shaking.
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We’ll probably discover, somewhere down the line, this had little to do with bureaucratic infighting. What’s more likely is the lack of follow through came from the top, which will prevent a future president from revoking the clearance of current admin members. The post-presidency consulting gigs are very lucrative.
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We’ll probably discover, somewhere down the line, this had little to do with bureaucratic infighting. What’s more likely is the lack of follow through came from the top, which will prevent a future president from revoking the clearance of current admin members. The post-presidency consulting gigs are very lucrative.
This plus a lack of evidence proves how effective the Deep State really is *bouche*
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It seems the level of followup here is equivalent to a gun to their head through all the 52 bureaucratic steps to make it happen, with total resistance at every turn.
That's well beyond my standard definition of followup in a top down organization such as the Executive branch where the leader has been delegated near total power over, yet seems to have none.
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Sorry, guys, but if Brennan's clearance was not revoked, the fault lies with Trump, at least partly. He's the boss, no? As such, he should have made sure it was done And if he has a problem with subordinates following orders, then it means he is not "hiring only the best people." If these subordinates persist in not doing their job, why aren't they shown the door? If Trump didn't follow through to make sure the revocation happened, then I assume he didn't want it done in the first place.
Tired of Trump fans making excuses for him. When something isn't done, it's always someone else's fault. He's never to blame. BS. Whatever happened to Harry Truman's "the buck stops here?"
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Sorry, guys, but if Brennan's clearance was not revoked, the fault lies with Trump, at least partly. He's the boss, no? As such, he should have made sure it was done And if he has a problem with subordinates following orders, then it means he is not "hiring only the best people." If these subordinates persist in not doing their job, why aren't they shown the door? If Trump didn't follow through to make sure the revocation happened, then I assume he didn't want it done in the first place.
Tired of Trump fans making excuses for him. When something isn't done, it's always someone else's fault. He's never to blame. BS. Whatever happened to Harry Truman's "the buck stops here?"
Is he the boss? Are the subordinates his hires, or career bureaucrats? How many layers of those bureaucrats and prescribed procedures are there to follow, and can they be fired if they resist his directives?
That's what I'm trying to understand here.
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Is he the boss? Are the subordinates his hires, or career bureaucrats? How many layers of those bureaucrats and prescribed procedures are there to follow, and can they be fired if they resist his directives?
That's what I'm trying to understand here.
I find it weird that he's not able to pick up the phone and get it done...as in, "I want this on my desk by close of business today" kind of thing.
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I find it weird that he's not able to pick up the phone and get it done...as in, "I want this on my desk by close of business today" kind of thing.
Exactly. It seems like a Democrat President can do that, but a Republican one, well suddenly there is all this red tape that must be followed.
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As mentioned earlier someone in the Swamp pushed back (or slow walked) and there was simply no follow up as he already got what he wanted, affirmation.
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As mentioned earlier someone in the Swamp pushed back (or slow walked) and there was simply no follow up as he already got what he wanted, affirmation.
And that's a huge problem. In a top down, command-and-control hierarchy, the bureaucrats shouldn't be able to push back against the commander-in-chief and get away with it, yet seemlingly they can.
I'm all about followup, but a joint bureaucratic cage match to the death just to revoke a security clearance goes way beyond followup.
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Is he the boss? Are the subordinates his hires, or career bureaucrats? How many layers of those bureaucrats and prescribed procedures are there to follow, and can they be fired if they resist his directives?
That's what I'm trying to understand here.
"I took an oath to the Constitution, not the President."
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That's a fact. One of the President's biggest flaws was relying upon the word of deep staters when picking his staffs. Sessions comes first to mind, in addition to keeping any hold-overs from Obastard.
I think it is based on his inflated ego. He really cannot believe that there is anyone on Earth that he can not charm over to his side. When he chose all these deep state NeverTrumpers, I believe that he sincerely thought that he could win them over. Because that's just how wonderful he is.
Yea, they may hate me now. But that is only because they don't know me. Give me a little time with them and I'll have them eating out of my hand.
Very naive and childish point of view. And it cost him dearly. He could have avoided so much dissention and leaks if he would have picked people in HIS inner circle who he knows he can trust. This 'open hand' policy; this 'reaching across the aisle mentality has cost him tons of leaks and negative press. It may have cost him the entire first two years of his presidency.
Even so, he has accomplish more in two years than Obama did in eight. But it could have been so much more but for his pandering to the status quo.
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"I took an oath to the Constitution, not the President."
At least not a Republican President anyway. When their preferred party is not in power, they conflate red tape with the Constitution and use #resistance as justification.
That's probably my biggest sticking point with this whole thing.
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I think it is based on his inflated ego. He really cannot believe that there is anyone on Earth that he can not charm over to his side. When he chose all these deep state NeverTrumpers, I believe that he sincerely thought that he could win them over. Because that's just how wonderful he is.
Yea, they may hate me now. But that is only because they don't know me. Give me a little time with them and I'll have them eating out of my hand.
Very naive and childish point of view. And it cost him dearly. He could have avoided so much dissention and leaks if he would have picked people in HIS inner circle who he knows he can trust. This 'open hand' policy; this 'reaching across the aisle mentality has cost him tons of leaks and negative press. It may have cost him the entire first two years of his presidency.
Even so, he has accomplish more in two years than Obama did in eight. But it could have been so much more but for his pandering to the status quo.
Give that man a Nat Sherman cigar!
I have been thinking that for quite some time.... he thought that about all of them: Ryan, McConnell, Priebus, Pelosi, Schumer, etc. He could do a "deal" with any and all of them... until he couldn't.
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At least not a Republican President anyway. When their preferred party is not in power, they conflate red tape with the Constitution and use #resistance as justification.
That's probably my biggest sticking point with this whole thing.
That would be my point. Thank you!
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John Brennen was mentor to Obama & butt buddys, from someone in gay community who knew this. Brennan also, islamist.
Brennen was double agent to Russia. They hate him too.
hmm. I don't know if this reveals something about you or Brennen.
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I think it is based on his inflated ego. He really cannot believe that there is anyone on Earth that he can not charm over to his side. When he chose all these deep state NeverTrumpers, I believe that he sincerely thought that he could win them over. Because that's just how wonderful he is.
Yea, they may hate me now. But that is only because they don't know me. Give me a little time with them and I'll have them eating out of my hand.
Very naive and childish point of view. And it cost him dearly. He could have avoided so much dissention and leaks if he would have picked people in HIS inner circle who he knows he can trust. This 'open hand' policy; this 'reaching across the aisle mentality has cost him tons of leaks and negative press. It may have cost him the entire first two years of his presidency.
Even so, he has accomplish more in two years than Obama did in eight. But it could have been so much more but for his pandering to the status quo.
Unbelievable. More excuses for "I hire only the best" Trump. Sessions recused himself but he was doing the job. He is a Conservative not a liberal like Cohen or Amorosa.
Jeff Sessions, conservative hero
Ousted Attorney General Jeff Sessions has received an outpouring of praise from conservatives whose focus is public policy. I quoted some of that praise last night.
There’s a lot more I could add, but instead I’ll confine myself to this article by Heather Mac Donald. She argues that by firing Sessions, President Trump has put key portions of his agenda at risk:
Trump won the presidency by promising to restore the rule of immigration law after decades of bipartisan neglect. Sessions, serving as a senator from Alabama in 2016, was uniquely positioned to do so. No politician had devoted as much time to documenting the corrosive effects of low-skilled mass immigration on the country’s working class.
Sessions was a nationalist long before Trump came on the scene. He knew the myriad tactics through which the nation’s career bureaucrats and immigration advocates had abetted mass illegal entry, and set out to block them.
As attorney general, he used every lawful tool available to his office to fight the sanctuary-city movement, whereby local jurisdictions openly defy the federal government’s efforts to protect the public from illegal-alien criminals. Scofflaw cities and states across the country responded with a spate of lawsuits against Sessions; left-wing judges slapped the Justice Department with questionable nationwide injunctions to protect the sanctuary jurisdictions.
Sessions sued right back. Sheriffs, the closest to the ground when it comes to public sentiment about law enforcement, understood what was at stake. “Jeff Sessions has probably been the most effective attorney general in the eyes of law enforcement in our nation’s history,†National Sheriffs’ Association executive director Jonathan Thompson told the Huffington Post in August 2018.
(Emphasis added)
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/jeff-sessions-conservative-hero.php (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/jeff-sessions-conservative-hero.php)
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Unbelievable. More excuses for "I hire only the best" Trump. Sessions recused himself but he was doing the job. He is a Conservative not a liberal like Cohen or Amorosa.
Jeff Sessions, conservative hero
Ousted Attorney General Jeff Sessions has received an outpouring of praise from conservatives whose focus is public policy. I quoted some of that praise last night.
There’s a lot more I could add, but instead I’ll confine myself to this article by Heather Mac Donald. She argues that by firing Sessions, President Trump has put key portions of his agenda at risk:
Trump won the presidency by promising to restore the rule of immigration law after decades of bipartisan neglect. Sessions, serving as a senator from Alabama in 2016, was uniquely positioned to do so. No politician had devoted as much time to documenting the corrosive effects of low-skilled mass immigration on the country’s working class.
Sessions was a nationalist long before Trump came on the scene. He knew the myriad tactics through which the nation’s career bureaucrats and immigration advocates had abetted mass illegal entry, and set out to block them.
As attorney general, he used every lawful tool available to his office to fight the sanctuary-city movement, whereby local jurisdictions openly defy the federal government’s efforts to protect the public from illegal-alien criminals. Scofflaw cities and states across the country responded with a spate of lawsuits against Sessions; left-wing judges slapped the Justice Department with questionable nationwide injunctions to protect the sanctuary jurisdictions.
Sessions sued right back. Sheriffs, the closest to the ground when it comes to public sentiment about law enforcement, understood what was at stake. “Jeff Sessions has probably been the most effective attorney general in the eyes of law enforcement in our nation’s history,†National Sheriffs’ Association executive director Jonathan Thompson told the Huffington Post in August 2018.
(Emphasis added)
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/jeff-sessions-conservative-hero.php (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/jeff-sessions-conservative-hero.php)
@Chosen Daughter
Based on your response, you didn't read a word I wrote. You simply regurgitated your standard, "Jeff Sessions is an anointed Saint!" rant, which I have become used to. What I wrote can hardly be called 'an excuse'.
I realize that you have some kind of personal connection to Sessions. But as a practical matter he was a huge waste of time. Yes. He worked on immigration a little but that was not his job. That is a different department. Meanwhile he ignored the actual responsibilities of the AG. He ignored countless scandals and crimes by Democrats. He was scared to death.
President Trump said of Sessions, "He is afraid of his own shadow." And I agree. Sessions is a coward weasel who wasted two years hiding in a closet somewhere until his time was up and then he ran away.
Let us agree to disagree. You have your perspective, and I have mine. Jeff Sessions is no Saint.
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President Trump forgot. He's got a lot on his mind between investigations and Gorilla Channel marathons.
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Stable genius has a mind???
Who knew???
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Senator Rand Paul
Verified account @RandPaul
Disgraceful, extent to which the deep state will go to protect their own. I was in the Oval Office w/@realDonaldTrump when he directed officials to revoke John Brennan’s security clearance. A partisan hack & mouthpiece for the media has no business holding a clearance.Revoke now!
10:55 AM - 7 Jun 2019
https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1137055608266473472
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Rand Paul: Deep state protected John Brennan's security clearance
Washington Examiner, Jun 4, 2019
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Asked to comment about it in an interview on CNN, Paul said the "deep state," in which federal or military officials defy a democratically elected government, was likely to blame.
"Now the deep state is actually protecting their own and not listening to the president's orders," the Kentucky Republican said on Tuesday. "I was sitting in the White House when President Trump said I want his security clearance taken, and I saw the order given. I saw the chief of staff was there, not the current chief of staff, the previous chief of staff."
He was referring to former White House chief of staff John Kelly.
"If they are working against ... the president that really does disrupt our country, does disrupt a representative democracy where the president makes a decision. If someone is countermanding that, I think we need to get to the bottom of that," Paul said.
A close ally of the president, Paul said he hopes Trump will conduct a search to find out who defied his order.
More: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rand-paul-deep-state-protected-john-brennans-security-clearance (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rand-paul-deep-state-protected-john-brennans-security-clearance)
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