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General Category => Editorial/Opinion/Blogs => Topic started by: mystery-ak on July 12, 2017, 04:26:51 pm
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Mike Allen Jonathan Swan 5 hrs ago
Trump v. everyone
President Trump increasingly feels (and knows) that he's fighting virtually every force in U.S. and global politics — even those who initially wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt or seem friendly.
The only people truly on his side are the 40 percent of voters who continue to cheer his middle finger to the powerful.
All those forces — basically permanent Washington, plus crucial world leaders — are deeply suspicious of Trump, and see an increasing duty to thwart him for moral or practical reasons.
"What goes around, comes around," said one of Washington's Republican pillars. "He was very critical of each of those groups. So why are they going to go to the man for him? He has done so many things outside the norms of behavior."
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https://www.axios.com/trump-v-everyone-2457859131.html
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Trump fundamentally assisted in creating the atmosphere he finds himself in.
I have no sympathy.
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The only people truly on his side are the 40 percent of voters who continue to cheer his middle finger to the powerful.
And Macron.
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Trump fundamentally assisted in creating the atmosphere he finds himself in.
I have no sympathy.
Who the hell's asking for it? *****rollingeyes*****
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Who the hell's asking for it? *****rollingeyes*****
I really want to know what the point is. What is all this complaining and insulting going to accomplish? Trump isn't listening and its only alienating everyone else.
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I have no sympathy.
Dittos.
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I really want to know what the point is. What is all this complaining and insulting going to accomplish? Trump isn't listening and its only alienating everyone else.
Your post is unclear ... please clarify your point @driftdiver
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Who the hell's asking for it?
I'm sorry. I wasn't aware I had to be asked before rendering an opinion or comment about Trump.
But you would like that, wouldn't you?
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Your post is unclear ... please clarify your point @driftdiver
What is the point of all this complaining about Trump. I don't recall most of these people being this opposed to Obama but perhaps I missed it. But now every single little thing is made into a major issue. There is no discussion about whats going right, no grudging acknowledgment that he nominated a damn fine man to the Supreme Court. They only focus is on anything that will weaken Trump. There isn't even any discussion on convincing Trump to change his position, something he is very apparently open too.
Nope, its just bitch, moan, insults and then claim aggrieved status when challenged on it.
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I'm sorry. I wasn't aware I had to be asked before rendering an opinion or comment about Trump.
But you would like that, wouldn't you?
No apology is necessary @INVAR But no one is asking for your sympathy.
This is what draining the swamp looks like. If you're being asked for anything it is to choose a side: keep the swamp or drain it.
And, that isn't really a question, either. I think we both know which you'll choose--and why. :shrug:
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I really want to know what the point is.
Maybe actually read Swan's commentary?
What is all this complaining and insulting going to accomplish?
As far as most of us on this board go - it's called analysis.
As far as AlwaysTrump goes - the complaining and insulting is an attempt to shame us into silence or any negative comments about Trump's leadership.
Trump isn't listening and its only alienating everyone else.
That's okay. The Republicans in Congress are not listening either. They have that in common together.
The alienation from us hoi palloi little people is just par-for-the-course for the rulers at Mordor on the Potomac.
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No apology is necessary @INVAR But no one is asking for your sympathy.
This is what draining the swamp looks like. If you're being asked for anything it is to choose a side: keep the swamp or drain it.
And, that isn't really a question, either. I think we both know which you'll choose--and why. :shrug:
People are afraid of change. Especially when it could potentially impact their paycheck. The swamp is full of people who have made a career of milking the govt for their paycheck.
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I'm sorry. I wasn't aware I had to be asked before rendering an opinion or comment about Trump.
But you would like that, wouldn't you?
She is mocking you because someone who hated Trump, hates Trump and will always hate Trump is pretending to take some high road.
Fact is that your just pissed that no one is flocking to your #NT side over any of this phony baloney bullshit.
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No apology is necessary @INVAR But no one is asking for your sympathy.
I don't care if it isn't asked for, I'm moved to publicly note that Trump v 'everyone' is a well-earned situation he, himself created. He gets no pass, no sympathy, no handicap, no assuagement or excuse from me.
I do not require being 'asked' by the likes of you before commenting on anything on this board.
I know you would love to have that kind of power - to create your ultimate Pro-Trump Safe Space - but you don't.
This is what draining the swamp looks like.
BWAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAAHHAAAAA!
Oh... REALLLY! Is that what you call it???????
That's a good one. Thanks for the laugh.
If you're being asked for anything it is to choose a side:
I'm not on YOUR side.
Clear it up any for you?
You people have made yourselves as equal tyrant wannabes as the Left has.
And just as dismissive and ridiculing of foundational principles as a rabid Democrat is.
And, that isn't really a question, either. I think we both know which you'll choose--and why.
Please do explain WHY so I can become aware of my own motivations.
Enlighten me, and let's see how bass ackwards your suppositions and assessments are.
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Trump fundamentally assisted in creating the atmosphere he finds himself in.
I have no sympathy.
We know. And guess what? Nobody gives a sh*t.
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What is the point of all this complaining about Trump. I don't recall most of these people being this opposed to Obama but perhaps I missed it. But now every single little thing is made into a major issue. There is no discussion about whats going right, no grudging acknowledgment that he nominated a damn fine man to the Supreme Court. They only focus is on anything that will weaken Trump. There isn't even any discussion on convincing Trump to change his position, something he is very apparently open too.
Nope, its just bitch, moan, insults and then claim aggrieved status when challenged on it.
....with unwavering Admin support. *****rollingeyes*****
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We know. And guess what? Nobody gives a sh*t.
What I care about is pulling this country back from the brink. How do we do that? sitting and bitching non-stop won't accomplish it.
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No apology is necessary @INVAR But no one is asking for your sympathy.
This is what draining the swamp looks like. If you're being asked for anything it is to choose a side: keep the swamp or drain it.
And, that isn't really a question, either. I think we both know which you'll choose--and why. :shrug:
Drain the swamp? He is negotiating and trying to make a deal with it. And the republicans are helping. Ill give him it looks like he made a good SCOTUS pick. Beyond that health care, tax cuts and the wall are dead in the water and our ADD president looks to have lost interest. I have not seem him trying to hold his party's feet to the fire on it.
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....with unwavering Admin support. *****rollingeyes*****
ok please don't provoke me into bringing the demon possession back up, I already got yelled at for it once.
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ok please don't provoke me into bringing the demon possession back up, I already got yelled at for it once.
:laugh:
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Drain the swamp? He is negotiating and trying to make a deal with it. And the republicans are helping. Ill give him it looks like he made a good SCOTUS pick. Beyond that health care, tax cuts and the wall are dead in the water and our ADD president looks to have lost interest. I have not seem him trying to hold his party's feet to the fire on it.
So how about spending the energy of bitching about Trump to calling or writing letters to Congress. Ya know the people actually writing the dang bills
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So how about spending the energy of bitching about Trump to calling or writing letters to Congress. Ya know the people actually writing the dang bills
I have gone to town halls and participated in the process. We are talking about Trump here. I am not a supporter or a NT, I was willing to give him a chance and see what happened. So far I'm not impressed. Sorry if that upsets you.
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Who the hell's asking for it? *****rollingeyes*****
Trump asks for sympathy for himself every time he tweets another idiotic whine about why is he being invested but not Hillary, or whines about how he is the most picked on ever.
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People are afraid of change. Especially when it could potentially impact their paycheck. The swamp is full of people who have made a career of milking the govt for their paycheck.
Trump does not possess enough power to "drain the swamp" himself. But he is giving it a good effort.
Example: So called "principled conservatives" have complained for decades, that FedGov should be reduced in size, cost, power.
But appointments stall under Trump, due partly to democrat stalling, and SAME said conservatives call Trump incompetent for not getting enough bureaucrats in place.
Proof they do NOT really want smaller government. They only want to retain their power, and get their money.
Phoney conservatives. Got "Repeal?"
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....with unwavering Admin support. *****rollingeyes*****
Yeah right!..... (http://www.cliparthut.com/clip-arts/1672/door-clip-art-1672238.jpg)
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She is mocking you because someone who hated Trump, hates Trump and will always hate Trump is pretending to take some high road.
So you fell victim to the meme that anytime we disagree that automatically makes us 'haters'?
Wow.
I guess the warning that if possible even the elect would be deceived is very true.
Fact is that your just pissed that no one is flocking to your #NT side over any of this phony baloney bullshit.
Is that what you think the 'fact' is Frank?
Do you see any of my comments or posts about the Trump/Russian conspiracy???
No. You don't.
There aren't any.
Because it is as you say - phony baloney bullshit.
That doesn't give Trump a pass on the atmosphere he created, his stupid and juvenile tweeting, his support of the first Senate healthcare bill, his threat to Primary members of the Freedom Caucus, his demand for loyalty, his pimping of his kid's 'family leave' and foundational initiative at the G-20 leaders while ponying up 50 million bucks of taxpayer money to 'jump-start' it...
I guess if pointing those things out makes me a 'hater' and upset in your estimation because no one if flocking to 'my side' - so be it.
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"President Trump"
/snicker
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I have gone to town halls and participated in the process. We are talking about Trump here. I am not a supporter or a NT, I was willing to give him a chance and see what happened. So far I'm not impressed. Sorry if that upsets you.
@Mom MD
We're 5 1/2 months into his administration, just how much should we expect? Perhaps he should have solved world hunger by now? Is parroting the lies of the leftists going to help get things done? Focusing on irrelevant non-issues the answer? Rehashing the deplorable tactics he used to get elected?
Because I don't see things getting any better if somehow Trump is forced from office. Is the GOP gonna suddenly be pushing a conservative agenda? Please help me, you're quite well educated, maybe you see something that I've missed.
The only way we (America & conservatives) come out with anything resembling a win is to work with the Trump administration and try to get conservative agenda items pushed through.
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888high58888
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So you fell victim to the meme that anytime we disagree that automatically makes us 'haters'?
You automatically throw around your overused, ridiculous term of "Trump militants," in almost every sermon.
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What is the point of all this complaining about Trump. I don't recall most of these people being this opposed to Obama but perhaps I missed it. But now every single little thing is made into a major issue. There is no discussion about whats going right, no grudging acknowledgment that he nominated a damn fine man to the Supreme Court. They only focus is on anything that will weaken Trump. There isn't even any discussion on convincing Trump to change his position, something he is very apparently open too.
Nope, its just bitch, moan, insults and then claim aggrieved status when challenged on it.
The point of all this complaining about and tarnishing of President Trump is, IMO, to stop him. He has challenged every nook and cranny of established power ... nationally and globally; Republican, Conservative and Democrat.
When I read articles aimed solely at diminishing Donald Trump, the same questions are raised for me: which side are you on; who are you actually helping? It is why I find those Republic/Conservatives who embrace such articles as gospel---and delight in them---to be useful idiots.
As for meaningful discussion .... that's tough to do when swimming against a tidal wave of adolescent feelings and misplaced righteous indignation. For far too many Republicans and Conservatives emotional gratification has replaced winning strategic victories and fighting the true enemy. In all candor, I am beginning to recoil at any attempt to reason with them with logic and accomplishments of the administration. Both appear to fall on willfully deaf ears. :shrug:
@driftdiver
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The point of all this complaining about and tarnishing of President Trump is, IMO, to stop him. He has challenged every nook and cranny of established power ... nationally and globally; Republican, Conservative and Democrat.
When I read articles aimed solely at diminishing Donald Trump, the same questions are raised for me: which side are you on; who are you actually helping? It is why I find those Republic/Conservatives who embrace such articles as gospel---and delight in them---to be useful idiots.
As for meaningful discussion .... that's tough to do when swimming against a tidal wave of adolescent feelings and misplaced righteous indignation. For far too many Republicans and Conservatives emotional gratification has replaced winning strategic victories and fighting the true enemy. In all candor, I am beginning to recoil at any attempt to reason with them with logic and accomplishments of the administration. Both appear to fall on willfully deaf ears. :shrug:
@driftdiver
Man I wish I was as articulate as you.
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@Mom MD
We're 5 1/2 months into his administration, just how much should we expect? Perhaps he should have solved world hunger by now? Is parroting the lies of the leftists going to help get things done? Focusing on irrelevant non-issues the answer? Rehashing the deplorable tactics he used to get elected?
Because I don't see things getting any better if somehow Trump is forced from office. Is the GOP gonna suddenly be pushing a conservative agenda? Please help me, you're quite well educated, maybe you see something that I've missed.
The only way we (America & conservatives) come out with anything resembling a win is to work with the Trump administration and try to get conservative agenda items pushed through.
We aren't going to get anyone better to work with, that ship sailed when insanity prevailed in the primaries.
I would love to see the republicans work together to get things done, but they are too busy rolling over and showing the Dems their tummies hoping for a scratch or kind word. What I would like to see from Trump is focus on the problems at had. He could use his twitter platform to hold congresses feet to the fire. Instead he picks wars with the media. Entertaining? maybe. Counterproductive - you betcha. He is wasting his platform and capital on petty sniping instead of working on the problems at hand. And for that I will be on his case.
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You automatically throw around your overused, ridiculous term of "Trump militants," in almost every sermon.
Certainly. There are Trump Militants, the Trump Faithful, Trump Fans, and True Believers among those who just wish he would do what he promised during the campaign.
That they disagree with my assessment of their political hero and messiah does not make them 'haters'.
Misguided and wrong, but not 'haters'.
Little bit of a difference there I thought I might clear up.
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Man I wish I was as articulate as you.
Why thank you.... :beer:
@driftdiver
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We aren't going to get anyone better to work with, that ship sailed when insanity prevailed in the primaries.
I would love to see the republicans work together to get things done, but they are too busy rolling over and showing the Dems their tummies hoping for a scratch or kind word. What I would like to see from Trump is focus on the problems at had. He could use his twitter platform to hold congresses feet to the fire. Instead he picks wars with the media. Entertaining? maybe. Counterproductive - you betcha. He is wasting his platform and capital on petty sniping instead of working on the problems at hand. And for that I will be on his case.
Ahhh a breath of sanity, thank you.
I think his wars with the media do have some value. While I would prefer he push his agenda what he's done has caused chaos in the media. I doubt it was intentional but I think he's taking advantage of it. The media needs to be lowered a few pegs and he might have just done it.
I for one think an Administration can do more than one thing at a time. He can be thumbing his nose at the media while his staff is accomplishing something. The lack of GOP leadership in the House and Senate is what is killing us. I think its intentional, they are throwing out the baby with the bath water because they are part of the swamp.
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From the moment he announce he was running, up until today, he has derided and insulted people from both sides of the aisle, the MSM, etc. You name it.
A lot of people cheered him on, "attaboy, way to go, give 'em hell!"
If you go out and call everyone out on their (some perceived, and some real) character flaws, why would anyone by surprised now, that it is done in return?
Now, I mean, really, now folks want to know why people from all over, of all political affiliations, don't really want to work with him? Really?
His supporters are saying "Everyone v. Trump", but the headline is correct, it's "Trump v. everyone".
Having said all that, I do like the Gorsuch pick, A LOT, and the deregulation, along with enforcement of the immigration laws (finally).
But there are things that bother me, like worrying if healthcare reform will be too "mean", and this Family leave thing.
Frankly, the one thing Trump hasn't seemed to grasp is that not everything is a battle.
Pick and choose them wisely.
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Yeah right!..... (http://www.cliparthut.com/clip-arts/1672/door-clip-art-1672238.jpg)
Hey.....there's the door! (ooops)
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The point of all this complaining about and tarnishing of President Trump is, IMO, to stop him.
That's a bullshit and not-so-clever attempt to silence criticism. To cover for Trump's behavior and distract the notation of Trump walkbacks by imputing nefarious motives to those of us on this board who are not Democrats, as being guilty of sharing the same reasons of opposition to Trump that they do.
We're insisting Trump's feet be held to the fire of Conservative principles, something you people promised you would do in the election - but have thus far, willfully refused to do so.
Instead you people have resorted to this kind of garbage - which is just an extension of the crap flung about during the Primaries.
which side are you on; who are you actually helping?
I'm on the side of the principles and heritage you have discarded in favor of pragmatic Populist Statism.
It is why I find those Republic/Conservatives who embrace such articles as gospel---and delight in them---to be useful idiots.
I see you who use the same tactics as Saul Alinsky, as no different than Democrats.
As for meaningful discussion ....
You've told us that only happens when we agree with you.
In all candor, I am beginning to recoil at any attempt to reason with them with logic and accomplishments of the administration.
That's perfectly fine. We've given up any attempt to persuade you to regard the Conservative principles you have discarded that the rest of us are governed by.
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We aren't going to get anyone better to work with, that ship sailed when insanity prevailed in the primaries.
I would love to see the republicans work together to get things done, but they are too busy rolling over and showing the Dems their tummies hoping for a scratch or kind word. What I would like to see from Trump is focus on the problems at had. He could use his twitter platform to hold congresses feet to the fire. Instead he picks wars with the media. Entertaining? maybe. Counterproductive - you betcha. He is wasting his platform and capital on petty sniping instead of working on the problems at hand. And for that I will be on his case.
I have to agree. Obviously, (since nobody can deny it), that is spot-on.
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I have gone to town halls and participated in the process. We are talking about Trump here. I am not a supporter or a NT, I was willing to give him a chance and see what happened. So far I'm not impressed. Sorry if that upsets you.
I doesn't upset me personally one bit, to each his own. From my viewpoint Trump has been kicking ass and taking names.
I understand without the support of Congress there are limitations on what can be accomplished by one man. Not to mention he's fighting against 80% of his own party, 100% of the other party, most every federal judge, 90% of the media, and the boogieman we call the Deep State.
Which is exactly why I'm pulling for him.
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I doesn't upset me personally one bit, to each his own. From my viewpoint Trump has been kicking ass and taking names.
I understand without the support of Congress there are limitations on what can be accomplished by one man. Not to mention he's fighting against 80% of his own party, 100% of the other party, most every federal judge, 90% of the media, and the boogieman we call the Deep State.
Which is exactly why I'm pulling for him.
Me too Hondo. :patriot:
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So how about spending the energy of bitching about Trump to calling or writing letters to Congress. Ya know the people actually writing the dang bills
I have. ALL of them, and read em the riot act about where they'll be if they follow trump into trumpcare. I also told em just how much I'd work for them if they didn't hear me, and where all that money I raise for them wouldn't go.
So I have every right to bitch, even by your standards.
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WINNING.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTtfVOyVsf0
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Damn, I thought behind that door was the big deal of the day . . . ;)
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....with unwavering Admin support. *****rollingeyes*****
I just can't let this one go @DCPatriot cheap shot.....there are a few here, more #nevertrump (whatever that is) than me and I have been called on the carpet more times than I want to admit, you are seriously mistaken, but it fits your argument....Myst allows that too.
Why must the few of you disparage this Board?
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Yellow door? It's supposed to be green....
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When Bush was elected president I wasn't overly excited, better than the alternative I figured. Over time the media transformed from ape sh*t mode to double overdrive ape sh*t mode, which had the net effect of making me more supportive of Bush. I don't know if it was the old rooting for the underdog syndrome or just naturally opposing the forces of evil on moral grounds.
Pretty much the same with Sarah Palin. I liked her just fine I guess but more than anything admired her hard work and tenacity. But when the media went into full out Nazi Blitzkrieg mode and brutally attacked her and her family in every way humanly possible I became one of her biggest supporters. Looking back I'm not sure if it was more being for Palin as it was against the dark forces hell bent on ruining this country.
Either way it became unmistakably clear to me that we were at war, and war has a way of forcing people to choose sides.
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When Bush was elected president I wasn't overly excited, better than the alternative I figured. Over time the media transformed from ape sh*t mode to double overdrive ape sh*t mode, which had the net effect of making me more supportive of Bush. I don't know if it was the old rooting for the underdog syndrome or just naturally opposing the forces of evil on moral grounds.
I was pretty done with dubya by the end of his first term. The ONLY reason I voted for him was the war... And calling me a 'nativist' blew the bottom out. By the end, when he was participant in the bailouts and dumping 3x the cash ever created (since dollars were invented) into the market... By then I was cussing him a blue streak.
Pretty much the same with Sarah Palin. I liked her just fine I guess but more than anything admired her hard work and tenacity. But when the media went into full out Nazi Blitzkrieg mode and brutally attacked her and her family in every way humanly possible I became one of her biggest supporters. Looking back I'm not sure if it was more being for Palin as it was against the dark forces hell bent on ruining this country.
I though Palin was cute and personable, but I never did like her. Everywhere she went, when she left, somebody was paying more than when she came. And the predating the law putting incremental fees on oil companies flat did her in with me. It is not Conservative in the least to make laws proactive prior to the establishment of the law, and it is certainly not a Conservative tax that taxes at progressive rates. Another one I was hotly cussing before it was done.
I wouldn;t have voted for her, not to mention John McAin't.
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My gripes with both Bush and Palin are many, I could go on and on.
But the point I was trying to make was that both were treated unfairly to the extent that the media crossed the line. I understand that public life brings a certain amount of slings and arrows, comes with the territory. But they crossed the line.
It's a moral issue I suppose and we all have our own "lines" that cannot be crossed. I'll defend a stranger or even a person I really, really don't like if they are being brutally attacked by a bully. Morals don't discriminate.