The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Chosen Daughter on September 14, 2019, 01:28:17 am
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Conservatives offer stark warning to Trump, GOP on background checks
By Alexander Bolton - 09/13/19 06:00 AM EDT
Senate conservatives are warning President Trump and their own leaders to tread carefully in the gun control debate and caution they risk a political backlash by striking a deal with Democrats to expand background checks for firearms sales.
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Thursday said if Republicans strike a deal with Democrats to require all firearms sales over the internet or at gun shows to go through background checks, they would demoralize their conservative base ahead of next year’s presidential election.
“If Republicans abandon the Second Amendment and demoralize millions of Americans who care deeply about Second Amendment rights, that could go a long way to electing a President Elizabeth Warren,†Cruz said at a breakfast sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor, referring to the liberal Democratic senator from Massachusetts who is running for president.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/461170-conservatives-offer-stark-warning-to-trump-gop-on-background-checks
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I wonder how much of Tumpy's fan club will stick with him after another direct assault on R2KBA.
I bet a bunch of em will swallow it whole. *****rollingeyes*****
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I wonder how much of Tumpy's fan club will stick with him after another direct assault on R2KBA.
I bet a bunch of em will swallow it whole. *****rollingeyes*****
I think that would be the end of Conservatism. The last nail in the coffin. The way Trump is thinking and talking even before the next election shows that we have become a weak nation. A nation of thought police. On our way to being the Communist nation of America.
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I think that would be the end of Conservatism. The last nail in the coffin. The way Trump is thinking and talking even before the next election shows that we have become a weak nation. A nation of thought police. On our way to being the Communist nation of America.
Nah. Perhaps as a political force, once Tump leaves us holding the bag...
But principle things ARE principle things after all. They are timeless. Conservatism in its true sense lives on.
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I think that would be the end of Conservatism. The last nail in the coffin. The way Trump is thinking and talking even before the next election shows that we have become a weak nation. A nation of thought police. On our way to being the Communist nation of America.
Conservatism lost out to Trumpism in 2016.
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Conservatism lost out to Trumpism in 2016.
Sadly true.
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I wonder how much of Tumpy's fan club will stick with him after another direct assault on R2KBA.
I bet a bunch of em will swallow it whole. *****rollingeyes*****
There's nothing quite like a condescending slam directed towards a group of people based on how you believe they might react to something that hasn't even happened yet.
Says quite a bit more about you than it does about them.
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There's nothing quite like a condescending slam directed towards a group of people based on how you believe they might react to something that hasn't even happened yet.
Says quite a bit more about you than it does about them.
Other than a good song by Pink Floyd, I've never been a big fan of "Us and Them." :shrug:
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Conservatism lost out to Trumpism in 2016.
One thing usually missing here since before 2016, was recognition and discussion, of the shortcomings and weaknesses of "conservatism" as it had unfolded recently.
GHWB, Dole, GWB, McCain, Romney had led "conservatism" and while the Tea Party burned for a time, it also fizzled fast.
There comes a time when "conservatives" ought to ask themselves, what THEY could have donedifferently, and quit just criticising everybody else.
But this is #nevertrump briefing room, above anything else, and seems to have a penchant for getting most things wrong.
--DJIA near records.
--Unemployent lowest for blacks, Hispanics, women.
--Better foreign relations
--Two Supreme Court Justice appointments; and over 150 other judges appointed
--Massive reductions of regulations
--Border Wall construction underway, despite objections by democrats and weak Republican
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One thing usually missing here since before 2016, was recognition and discussion, of the shortcomings and weaknesses of "conservatism" as it had unfolded recently.
GHWB, Dole, GWB, McCain, Romney had led "conservatism" and while the Tea Party burned for a time, it also fizzled fast.
There comes a time when "conservatives" ought to ask themselves, what THEY could have donedifferently, and quit just criticising everybody else.
But this is #nevertrump briefing room, above anything else, and seems to have a penchant for getting most things wrong.
--DJIA near records.
--Unemployent lowest for blacks, Hispanics, women.
--Better foreign relations
--Two Supreme Court Justice appointments; and over 150 other judges appointed
--Massive reductions of regulations
--Border Wall construction underway, despite objections by democrats and weak Republican
The TEA Party is alive and well, despite Turtle's best efforts. I go to a meeting every other week.
Never give up. Never surrender.
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One thing usually missing here since before 2016, was recognition and discussion, of the shortcomings and weaknesses of "conservatism" as it had unfolded recently.
GHWB, Dole, GWB, McCain, Romney had led "conservatism" and while the Tea Party burned for a time, it also fizzled fast.
There comes a time when "conservatives" ought to ask themselves, what THEY could have donedifferently, and quit just criticising everybody else.
But this is #nevertrump briefing room, above anything else, and seems to have a penchant for getting most things wrong.
--DJIA near records.
--Unemployent lowest for blacks, Hispanics, women.
--Better foreign relations
--Two Supreme Court Justice appointments; and over 150 other judges appointed
--Massive reductions of regulations
--Border Wall construction underway, despite objections by democrats and weak Republican
People get hung up on labels. Conservative, liberal, right wing left wing.
I don't give a crap what they call themselves if they do the right thing.
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The TEA Party is alive and well, despite Turtle's best efforts. I go to a meeting every other week.
Never give up. Never surrender.
I think what @truth_seeker is saying, and he will correct me if I'm wrong, is that it's great to hold conservative principles and only vote for conservatives, but DOING conservative things is much more important.
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I think what @truth_seeker is saying, and he will correct me if I'm wrong, is that it's great to hold conservative principles and only vote for conservatives, but DOING conservative things is much more important.
Doing conservative things is often a thankless task. Do them anyway. :yowsa:
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One thing usually missing here since before 2016, was recognition and discussion, of the shortcomings and weaknesses of "conservatism" as it had unfolded recently.
GHWB, Dole, GWB, McCain, Romney had led "conservatism" and while the Tea Party burned for a time, it also fizzled fast.
There comes a time when "conservatives" ought to ask themselves, what THEY could have donedifferently, and quit just criticising everybody else.
But this is #nevertrump briefing room, above anything else, and seems to have a penchant for getting most things wrong.
--DJIA near records.
--Unemployent lowest for blacks, Hispanics, women.
--Better foreign relations
--Two Supreme Court Justice appointments; and over 150 other judges appointed
--Massive reductions of regulations
--Border Wall construction underway, despite objections by democrats and weak Republican
I agree with most of what you have posted other than the Briefing Room being #Never Trump. I was hoping that we as a forum would get past that b.s.
Bottom line here. Trump will NOT be re-elected if he implements red flag laws. GOP candidates running and Trump will not get re-elected if background checks are expanded. Yes, Trump should be commended for his accomplishments, but absolutely NOTHING matters if he tramples on the 2A. If he does, there is little difference in voting for him vs. voting for a bat crap crazy liberal.
NOW is the time for ALL the Trump supporters to hold his feet to the fire with phone calls, e-mails, visits to your local Rep's office and voice that expanded background checks and red flag laws are NOT acceptable period.
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I agree with most of what you have posted other than the Briefing Room being #Never Trump. I was hoping that we as a forum would get past that b.s.
Bottom line here. Trump will NOT be re-elected if he implements red flag laws. GOP candidates running and Trump will not get re-elected if background checks are expanded. Yes, Trump should be commended for his accomplishments, but absolutely NOTHING matters if he tramples on the 2A. If he does, there is little difference in voting for him vs. voting for a bat crap crazy liberal.
NOW is the time for ALL the Trump supporters to hold his feet to the fire with phone calls, e-mails, visits to your local Rep's office and voice that expanded background checks and red flag laws are NOT acceptable period.
I very briefly explained this fact of life to my Senator that's up for reelection next year. Our resident gun-grabber informed me I "bullied" the former A-10 pilot who flew combat over Iraq & Kuwait.
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There's nothing quite like a condescending slam directed towards a group of people based on how you believe they might react to something that hasn't even happened yet.
Says quite a bit more about you than it does about them.
Excellent post! 888high58888
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Bottom line here. Trump will NOT be re-elected if he implements red flag laws. GOP candidates running and Trump will not get re-elected if background checks are expanded. Yes, Trump should be commended for his accomplishments, but absolutely NOTHING matters if he tramples on the 2A. If he does, there is little difference in voting for him vs. voting for a bat crap crazy liberal.
NOW is the time for ALL the Trump supporters to hold his feet to the fire with phone calls, e-mails, visits to your local Rep's office and voice that expanded background checks and red flag laws are NOT acceptable period.
I believe many people are open minded, about keeping firearms out of the hands of daangerous people.
That is what they say, after each incident. I don't know the definition of "red flag" and "background check" but it sure sounds to me, that most Americans will suport well thought out measures.
If your political judgment is that a Republican President MUST not respond to common sense concerns, and not do ANYTHING, I think your are wrong.
I believe gunowners and voters, will support smart policies.
To the contrary, I think there is more upside, than downside.
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I believe many people are open minded, about keeping firearms out of the hands of daangerous people.
That is what they say, after each incident. I don't know the definition of "red flag" and "background check" but it sure sounds to me, that most Americans will suport well thought out measures.
If your political judgment is that a Republican President MUST not respond to common sense concerns, and not do ANYTHING, I think your are wrong.
I believe gunowners and voters, will support smart policies.
To the contrary, I think there is more upside, than downside.
The problem is, I don't hear "common sense concerns," I hear leftists trying to use every tragedy as a means to forward their goals of disarming the people they disagree with, as a prelude to killing them. Leftists are ghouls.
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The problem is, I don't hear "common sense concerns," I hear leftists trying to use every tragedy as a means to forward their goals of disarming the people they disagree with, as a prelude to killing them. Leftists are ghouls.
Last hour Fox had a father of a Parkland victim, who wrote a book about how the shooter, was clearly known, but concerns not acted upon.
It is commonsense, that LE "hear something, do something."
In this case it is Obama policies, to not come down on problem students.
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Last hour Fox had a father of a Parkland victim, who wrote a book about how the shooter, was clearly known, but concerns not acted upon.
It is commonsense, that LE "hear something, do something."
In this case it is Obama policies, to not come down on problem students.
Trayvon Martin was another beneficiary of that policy. That really was a violation of "common sense," but the leftists gave the term a bad meaning.
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There's nothing quite like a condescending slam directed towards a group of people based on how you believe they might react to something that hasn't even happened yet.
Says quite a bit more about you than it does about them.
@Maj. Bill Martin
It is not based upon how I believe they will react - well, partly I suppose - but rather based upon prior examples and behavior, like writing off bump stocks for instance... What is to me an egregious infraction against a traditionally third-rail topic (R2KBA) is treated by Tump fans as a write off of negligible importance.
No doubt some will waiver with the passage of more gun control measures or red flag laws... And rightly so. But I can predict without any doubt in my mind that his true believers here would defend regardless or even approve.
By the way, that seems to be part of the cause of division here, that dichotomy in the expectations of various groups hereon. As with many things I consider marks against Tump, The bump stock ban alone, by itself, means I will never vote for the man. Where to many here, it means nothing at all.
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The TEA Party is alive and well, despite Turtle's best efforts. I go to a meeting every other week.
Never give up. Never surrender.
DITTOS, except more like once a month right now...
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It is commonsense, that LE "hear something, do something."
No, it is not.
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People get hung up on labels. Conservative, liberal, right wing left wing.
I don't give a crap what they call themselves if they do the right thing.
That's right...once, long long ago, I could depend on the "Conservatives" to do the right thing and in many cases they were Republicans...
Today, there is no difference between a Republican or Democrat politician, they get elected to enrich themselves.... :shrug:
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I believe many people are open minded, about keeping firearms out of the hands of daangerous people.
That is what they say, after each incident. I don't know the definition of "red flag" and "background check" but it sure sounds to me, that most Americans will suport well thought out measures.
If your political judgment is that a Republican President MUST not respond to common sense concerns, and not do ANYTHING, I think your are wrong.
I believe gunowners and voters, will support smart policies.
To the contrary, I think there is more upside, than downside.
I think you are stone-dead wrong. Especially in the liberty loving West.
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DITTOS, except more like once a month right now...
:beer:
Aww...it's been more than a month....
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Nah. Perhaps as a political force, once Tump leaves us holding the bag...
But principle things ARE principle things after all. They are timeless. Conservatism in its true sense lives on.
Precisely. While Conservatism would be even more repressed, that would place principled Conservatives in the position of being the 'revolutionaries' (again). A political counter counter-culture movement is almost inevitable, anyway.
How many, no matter how much soy they are fed, no matter how dumbed down they are, will sit placidly while being subjugated? For how long? The writings of our founders may well become banned, but that only piques interest in the forbidden philosophy of those who founded the republic, especially among the young. Not learning was not the result of the Constitution being banned, it was the result of ham handed teachers making drudgery of a required topic, instead of properly infusing their students with appropriate passion for the marvelous framework and attention to detail that the Founders left to us. But ban it, and interest will return, especially as people learn just what those concepts are.
Since those who deem themselves as "liberators" want to do so by forcing their "liberation" on a significant segment of the population that really isn't naturally wired that way, a backlash is inevitable--the only question is one of when. The general feelings of being wronged by having Civil Rights and natural instincts suppressed by the snowflake culture of today will only provoke a greater desire to overcome that oppression.
The wheel will turn, those suppressed Rights won't go away, the visceral feelings of being wronged will not go away, and as long as those can be steered into overcoming repression and reestablishing balance without reprisal and creating the next cycle of oppression/rebellion/reprisal, there is hope, as thin as that may be.
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One thing usually missing here since before 2016, was recognition and discussion, of the shortcomings and weaknesses of "conservatism" as it had unfolded recently.
GHWB, Dole, GWB, McCain, Romney had led "conservatism" and while the Tea Party burned for a time, it also fizzled fast.
There comes a time when "conservatives" ought to ask themselves, what THEY could have donedifferently, and quit just criticising everybody else.
But this is #nevertrump briefing room, above anything else, and seems to have a penchant for getting most things wrong.
--DJIA near records.
--Unemployent lowest for blacks, Hispanics, women.
--Better foreign relations
--Two Supreme Court Justice appointments; and over 150 other judges appointed
--Massive reductions of regulations
--Border Wall construction underway, despite objections by democrats and weak Republican
Quit playing victim, please. If you want to be in an echo chamber, there are plenty of them out there. If you want to talk, let's do that. Like it or not, we are where we are.
While Trump has done some good things, others just haven't been done (yet?). Waiting until after the commercial to see what's in the box is a bit too cliffhanger reality teevee for those of us watching.
Two things I don't agree with are the ethanol (renewal fuels) mandate being jacked (which mandates how much ethanol will end up in fuel, no matter how much or how little fuels is sold. That does not put a limit on the mix, but an amount that has to be blended. Not a way to have good fuel for most of us.
The bump stock ban has wording which is inaccurate from a mechanical standpoint, the stock does not change the rifle to a fully automatic firearm, only allows it to be operated as a semiautomatic firearm more efficiently. If you can pull the trigger fast, how fast is too fast? Do you have to turn in your finger? Jerry Miculek also demonstrated the ability to fire five shots from a revolver on target with a S&W Model 64 ported barrel revolver in 0.57 seconds on September 25, 2003. This is slower than the record held by Ed McGivern of 0.45 seconds (first shot on 9/13/1932, reproduced 4 times on 12/8/1932). Originally recorded as "two-fifths of a second", the resolution of the timing equipment in 1932 was only 0.20 of a second, so the actual figure could have been anywhere between 0.40 and 0.45 seconds
source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Miculek)
Miculek's time amounts to a cyclic rate of fire of over 520 rounds per minute--from a revolver.
By contrast, the full auto battle rifle AK-47 has a cyclic rate of fire of 600 rounds per minute, and the M-16A1 700-950 rounds per minute. IOW he is firing nearly as fast as the most popular two machine guns in the world with a wheel gun.
Is he going to get banned, too? It's bad law, punishes performance, and is an infringement on the Right.
At any rate, caving once on a matter of gun ownership with a ban is not the sort of action which gives gun owners any faith in this President's resolve to hold the RKBA sacrosanct in accordance with the Constitution. Even the Democrats/Socialists/Communists smell that blood in the water and are openly pushing to ban classes of firearms, not just from future sales, but from general ownership.
We know how it can look when the rifles are in one set of hands.
(https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2009/12/04/5d3da898-a642-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/thumbnail/620x407/731b47614e25f500c5a10681e58d6155/image5890592.jpg)...and (https://i2.wp.com/www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2013227102218_1751-1024x684.jpg)
The people pushing the Russian Collusion narrative and for the confiscation of firearms are from the same camp, people who insisted on sending one kid back to Castro (at gunpoint) but who whine at the thought of not allowing millions to invade. Maybe it was just because Elian was too young to vote.
As for the TEA party, the TEA party folks went home, job done, as the movement had elected a large crew who had promised to carry the ball.
Unfortunately, those entrusted with doing that work often lied on the stump. There was an outbreak of Beltway Fever even before they were sworn in. Unfortunately as well, complacency had set in, the die was cast, the battle was won in the minds of many who went back to their ordinary lives and quit paying attention.
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Aww...it's been more than a month....
Our core team is still meeting... Not much to do yet... More of a beer and BBQ thing just to keep us together. However, the last couple got a bit technical... planning for pre-planning kinda thing.
It won't start cranking hard for a few more months yet...
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Conservatives offer stark warning to Trump, GOP on background checks
By Alexander Bolton - 09/13/19 06:00 AM EDT
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Thursday said if Republicans strike a deal with Democrats to require all firearms sales over the internet or at gun shows to go through background checks, they would demoralize their conservative base ahead of next year’s presidential election.
@Chosen Daughter
Somebody on the left coast needs to watch the AM political shows this morning and quote Cruz on his gun control bill.
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Nah. Perhaps as a political force, once Tump leaves us holding the bag...
But principle things ARE principle things after all. They are timeless. Conservatism in its true sense lives on.
@roamer_1
What are YOUR thoughts on Teddy Boy Cruz's gun control bill?
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There's nothing quite like a condescending slam directed towards a group of people based on how you believe they might react to something that hasn't even happened yet.
Says quite a bit more about you than it does about them.
@Maj. Bill Martin
These loons will never give up their hatred of a man that came into THEIR political party and took the presidency away from one of their beloved "usual RINO suspects".
The more pro-American things that Trump does,the more they hate him.
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One thing usually missing here since before 2016, was recognition and discussion, of the shortcomings and weaknesses of "conservatism" as it had unfolded recently.
GHWB, Dole, GWB, McCain, Romney had led "conservatism" and while the Tea Party burned for a time, it also fizzled fast.
There comes a time when "conservatives" ought to ask themselves, what THEY could have donedifferently, and quit just criticising everybody else.
But this is #nevertrump briefing room, above anything else, and seems to have a penchant for getting most things wrong.
--DJIA near records.
--Unemployent lowest for blacks, Hispanics, women.
--Better foreign relations
--Two Supreme Court Justice appointments; and over 150 other judges appointed
--Massive reductions of regulations
--Border Wall construction underway, despite objections by democrats and weak Republican
@truth_seeker
You just compiled a list of WHY they hate him.
He makes Boy Jorge and the RINO Party look like the losers and liars they really are.
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@roamer_1
What are YOUR thoughts on Teddy Boy Cruz's gun control bill?
@sneakypete
You'll see on the record here that my support of Cruz has been waning for some time now. A gun control bill of any kind will seal that deal, and move me directly into 'Oh Hell No'.
Too bad too. Cruz is throwing it all away for Tumpy the Wonder Clown. **nononono*
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The TEA Party is alive and well, despite Turtle's best efforts. I go to a meeting every other week.
@Cyber Liberty
What do you and the other attendee talk about?
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@Maj. Bill Martin
These loons will never give up their hatred of a man that came into THEIR political party and took the presidency away from one of their beloved "usual RINO suspects".
The more pro-American things that Trump does,the more they hate him.
It is not my political party @sneakypete . I, far more than others here, cannot be accused of supporting RINOs... and I do not hate Tumpy. Not in the least.
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I believe many people are open minded, about keeping firearms out of the hands of daangerous people.
That is what they say, after each incident. I don't know the definition of "red flag" and "background check" but it sure sounds to me, that most Americans will suport well thought out measures.
@truth_seeker
Fictional problem with very real negative consequences.
People with mental and emotional problems should NOT be free to even run around free,never mind buy or steal a weapon to harm others with. Bring back the common sense laws that institutionalized people with mental and emotional problems,and this kind of crap will no longer BE a problem.
We don't NEED gun control laws to stop mass killings. We simply need to bring back the laws that lock up the mentally unstable.
And screw the freaking Communist ACLU and the armored car they rode in on.
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What Cruz gun control bill? @sneakypete
@Sanguine
The one he was promoting on Teebee this morning. If I could remember the details I would have written them. Unfortunately my short-term memory has bitten the dust due to chemo,and I was doing a couple of other things when he started talking about it,and then the damn phone rang while I was watching.
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@Chosen Daughter
Somebody on the left coast needs to watch the AM political shows this morning and quote Cruz on his gun control bill.
What Cruz gun control bill? @sneakypete
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This is what I could find on the proposed Grassley/Cruz bill -- not sure this is what @sneakypete is talking about, but it is far from gun control as assumed:
Summary ofGrassley/Cruz Gun Substitute: ï‚·
Increases resources and tools for prosecuting criminals (Gun prosecutions have declined under President Obama and current proposed legislation does not address this issue)
National Project Exile Expansion.Provides $15 million per year for 3 years for more Assistant U.S. Attorneys and Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms agents. Applies to fiftee njurisdictions with highest violent crime rates and three tribal jurisdictions with highest rates.
Cruz Tas kForce.Task Force and $10 million per year for 5 years to prosecute felons and fugitives who try to get guns.Created task force and proposes funding of $10 million per year for five years to prosecute felons and fugitives who fail National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) –funded through the Asset Forfeiture Fund.oTools
:Criminalizes straw purchasing.In targeted,responsible way that doesn’t sweep in innocent conduct.Criminalizes trafficking.In a responsible way that doesn’t turn minor gun offenses into arms trafficking offenses
.Increases resources for school safety(President Obama’s budget cut school safety funding)o Secure Our Schools grants. Provides$30 million per year for 10 years under Title III funds.Addresses mental health.
o Increases resources for mental health.
Reauthorizes Mentally Ill Offender Treatment and Crime Reduction Act.This provides $40 million per year for five years for mental health courts, crisis intervention teams, veteran treatment courts, police academy curricula, and transitional services in prison.
Allows Byrne and COPS grants to be used for mental health purposes.o
Gives states incentives to provide mental health records to NICS federal database.
Reauthorizes NICS Improvement Amendments Act grants at $20 million per year for 5 years, so states can implement systems to report these records. Increases Byrne grant penalties for states’ failure to provide mental health records.
oClarifies which records must be submitted NICS.
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This is what I could find on the proposed Grassley/Cruz bill -- not sure this is what @sneakypete is talking about, but it is far from gun control as assumed:
@libertybelle
CRUZ called it a gun control bill,and if it is not about gun control,what is the 105 million dollars in the bill supposed to accomplish?
And we ALL know that if the bill is passed,105 million dollars will be just a down-payment on the money that will be spent by the time it passes.
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@Sanguine
The one he was promoting on Teebee this morning. If I could remember the details I would have written them. Unfortunately my short-term memory has bitten the dust due to chemo,and I was doing a couple of other things when he started talking about it,and then the damn phone rang while I was watching.
OK, here is what I think you are talking about. Sounds fairly reasonable actually.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1173231953992011776
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From the 2013 bill:
...Cruz said...common-sense measures that will increase criminal prosecutions of felons who try to buy guns, criminalize straw purchasing and gun trafficking, and address mental health issues.â€
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The bill would increase the resources available to prosecutors for violators of gun laws, and creates a “Cruz Task Force†to prosecute those who fail criminal background checks. The task force is funded through an Asset Forfeiture Fund.
The bill criminalizes straw purchasing and trafficking...It also seeks to increase safety at schools, keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, and increases accountability for prosecutions at the executive level by requiring the Department of Justice to submit reports to Congress.
The senators were particularly critical of the Obama administration’s record of prosecuting background check violations, saying it only took up a small portion of such cases.
The bill does not expand background checks, but rather “focuses on making the backgrounds system work better…by encouraging states to report mental health records,†Cruz said....
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294499-sens-grassley-and-cruz-present-alternative-gun-bill
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(http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/57910a7eaa958dd85cd5520b/master/pass/fashion-at-the-rnc-ss01.jpg) VS (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Ted_Cruz_official_116th_portrait_%28cropped%29.jpg/1200px-Ted_Cruz_official_116th_portrait_%28cropped%29.jpg)
Cage Match on 2nd Amendment ~ PPV
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Quit playing victim, please. If you want to be in an echo chamber, there are plenty of them out there. If you want to talk, let's do that. Like it or not, we are where we are.
While Trump has done some good things, others just haven't been done (yet?). Waiting until after the commercial to see what's in the box is a bit too cliffhanger reality teevee for those of us watching.
Two things I don't agree with are the ethanol (renewal fuels) mandate being jacked (which mandates how much ethanol will end up in fuel, no matter how much or how little fuels is sold. That does not put a limit on the mix, but an amount that has to be blended. Not a way to have good fuel for most of us.
The bump stock ban has wording which is inaccurate from a mechanical standpoint, the stock does not change the rifle to a fully automatic firearm, only allows it to be operated as a semiautomatic firearm more efficiently. If you can pull the trigger fast, how fast is too fast? Do you have to turn in your finger? source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Miculek)
Miculek's time amounts to a cyclic rate of fire of over 520 rounds per minute--from a revolver.
By contrast, the full auto battle rifle AK-47 has a cyclic rate of fire of 600 rounds per minute, and the M-16A1 700-950 rounds per minute. IOW he is firing nearly as fast as the most popular two machine guns in the world with a wheel gun.
Is he going to get banned, too? It's bad law, punishes performance, and is an infringement on the Right.
At any rate, caving once on a matter of gun ownership with a ban is not the sort of action which gives gun owners any faith in this President's resolve to hold the RKBA sacrosanct in accordance with the Constitution. Even the Democrats/Socialists/Communists smell that blood in the water and are openly pushing to ban classes of firearms, not just from future sales, but from general ownership.
We know how it can look when the rifles are in one set of hands.
(https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2009/12/04/5d3da898-a642-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/thumbnail/620x407/731b47614e25f500c5a10681e58d6155/image5890592.jpg)...and (https://i2.wp.com/www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2013227102218_1751-1024x684.jpg)
The people pushing the Russian Collusion narrative and for the confiscation of firearms are from the same camp, people who insisted on sending one kid back to Castro (at gunpoint) but who whine at the thought of not allowing millions to invade. Maybe it was just because Elian was too young to vote.
As for the TEA party, the TEA party folks went home, job done, as the movement had elected a large crew who had promised to carry the ball.
Unfortunately, those entrusted with doing that work often lied on the stump. There was an outbreak of Beltway Fever even before they were sworn in. Unfortunately as well, complacency had set in, the die was cast, the battle was won in the minds of many who went back to their ordinary lives and quit paying attention.
(https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/slow_clap_citizen_kane.gif)
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OK, here is what I think you are talking about. Sounds fairly reasonable actually.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1173231953992011776
@Sanguine
Only because it is being compared to all the gun confiscation bills.
It's a shell game.
There is no such thing as a "GOOD"gun control bill.
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From the 2013 bill:
@Sanguine
Name ONE thing that is positive about the bill. No matter how you spin it,it is still about gun control with NO mention whatsoever about putting criminals in jail/prison,or insane people in mental institutions.
MY personal favorite "Once upon a time" line is "“focuses on making the backgrounds system work better…by encouraging states to report mental health records,†Cruz said...."
I LOVE the words "encouraging states".
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(http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/57910a7eaa958dd85cd5520b/master/pass/fashion-at-the-rnc-ss01.jpg) VS (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Ted_Cruz_official_116th_portrait_%28cropped%29.jpg/1200px-Ted_Cruz_official_116th_portrait_%28cropped%29.jpg)
Cage Match on 2nd Amendment ~ PPV
@corbe
I'm not so sure that is fair to Cruz. I know and care nothing about his sexual orientation,but I do know she would have no trouble whatsoever pinning me.
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Ted Cruz: Congress 'absolutely' needs to do more on gun safety
Washington Times, Sep 15, 2019
Republican Sen. Ted Cruz supported the push for stronger background check legislation after the recent string of deadly shootings over the summer, but warned that Democrats’ plans would lead to an erosion of the Second Amendment.
“We absolutely need to do more. We need to strengthen background checks,†he said on ABC’s “This Week.†“We’ve seen too damn many of these [shootings] in the state of Texas.â€
Democrats passed a partisan background checks bill earlier this year that would extend to private sales. It hasn’t made any headway in the Republican-controlled Senate despite the recent push by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.
Mr. Cruz slammed that particular option, warning that requiring background checks on private sales would pave the way for gun confiscation.
“The only way to enforce that is a federal gun registry and a gun registry is the step you need for gun confiscation,†he said. “The federal government should not be confiscating guns from law-abiding citizens.â€
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Mr. Cruz floated his 2013 bill with Sen. Chuck Grassley, which was reintroduced in May, as an alternative approach. The bill focuses on shoring up the National Instant Criminal Background Check System with stronger requirements for agencies.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/15/ted-cruz-congress-absolutely-needs-do-more-gun-saf/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/15/ted-cruz-congress-absolutely-needs-do-more-gun-saf/)
Sens. Grassley and Cruz roll out alternative gun control bill
The Hill, Apr 17, 2013
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The bill would increase the resources available to prosecutors for violators of gun laws, and creates a “Cruz Task Force†to prosecute those who fail criminal background checks. The task force is funded through an Asset Forfeiture Fund.
The bill criminalizes straw purchasing and trafficking, measures Grassley supported in committee hearings on the gun control bill that will go before the Senate later this month. It also seeks to increase safety at schools, keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, and increases accountability for prosecutions at the executive level by requiring the Department of Justice to submit reports to Congress.
The senators were particularly critical of the Obama administration’s record of prosecuting background check violations, saying it only took up a small portion of such cases.
The bill does not expand background checks, but rather “focuses on making the backgrounds system work better…by encouraging states to report mental health records,†Cruz said.
The National Rifle Association said it supports the bill.
More: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294499-sens-grassley-and-cruz-present-alternative-gun-bill (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294499-sens-grassley-and-cruz-present-alternative-gun-bill)
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(http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/57910a7eaa958dd85cd5520b/master/pass/fashion-at-the-rnc-ss01.jpg) VS (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Ted_Cruz_official_116th_portrait_%28cropped%29.jpg/1200px-Ted_Cruz_official_116th_portrait_%28cropped%29.jpg)
Cage Match on 2nd Amendment ~ PPV
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEN4Jm4XUAIm4El.jpg) (https://imagez.tmz.com/image/b6/16by9/2019/09/10/b63a6c147ddb5ea8800e507f6859cab0_md.jpg)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEN4Jm4XUAIm4El.jpg) (https://imagez.tmz.com/image/b6/16by9/2019/09/10/b63a6c147ddb5ea8800e507f6859cab0_md.jpg)
He did a great job of exposing her as a hypocrite on gun control. Once again showing that Progressives believe that gun laws are for everyone except them.
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@sneakypete
You'll see on the record here that my support of Cruz has been waning for some time now. A gun control bill of any kind will seal that deal, and move me directly into 'Oh Hell No'.
Too bad too. Cruz is throwing it all away for Tumpy the Wonder Clown. **nononono*
@roamer_1
Cruz frustrates the HELL out of me. He just seems to be a weasel,and then he starts to sound like a genuine conservative and gets me leaning towards supporting him,and the next thing I know,he back in Full Weasel mode again.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOOD GUN CONTROL.
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He did a great job of exposing her as a hypocrite on gun control. Once again showing that Progressives believe that gun laws are for everyone except them.
Yes he did.
Now watch him vote for expanded background checks, including red flag provisions.
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It is not my political party @sneakypete . I, far more than others here, cannot be accused of supporting RINOs... and I do not hate Tumpy. Not in the least.
@roamer_1
IF that is the case,I apologize. All *I* ever see from you are anti-Trump rants,though.
Maybe I am just not looking in the right places?
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If your wife was a twitter demon and had your balls in a jar in the closet wouldn't you be reluctant to approach her about her obsessive shoe buying habit @sneakypete /JS
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He did a great job of exposing her as a hypocrite on gun control. Once again showing that Progressives believe that gun laws are for everyone except them.
@txradioguy
Who is she?
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Yes he did.
Now watch him vote for expanded background checks, including red flag provisions.
Not gonna happen. He's made that very clear. Sorry to disappoint you on that.
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If your wife was a twitter demon and had your balls in a jar in the closet wouldn't you be reluctant to approach her about her obsessive shoe buying habit @sneakypete /JS
@corbe
I honestly can't imagine that ever being a factor in my life,so I don't know how to answer it. My standard reply to receiving orders from a woman I live with is to ask her is she needs a ride to the bus station. I respond well to suggestions,but giving me orders will lead to becoming homeless.
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@txradioguy
Who is she?
It's Alyssa Milano. Used to be a pretty good looking actress known for her role in "Who's The Boss" in the early 80's and in "Charmed" in the early 2000's.
Now she's just a Progressive shrew. Anti-gun...pro open borders...pro Bernie Sanders...made it a point to be in the camera shot every time they cut to Brett Kavanaugh during his hearings.
If it weren't for AOC...she's be the dumbest woman on Social Media. She
She tried to call out Ted Cruz about his position on guns...he said "come to my office lets chat"...she did...he made her look dumb...got her to admit she owns two guns for "protection".
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Not gonna happen. He's made that very clear. Sorry to disappoint you on that.
I posted his proposed gun control bill from 2013 which he touted today on ABC. See post 48 on this very thread.
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I posted his proposed gun control bill from 2013 which he touted today on ABC. See post 48 on this very thread.
Saw that. I've also see and heard what he's been saying about it in the media and on social media in 2019...something he allegedly supported six years ago.
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@sneakypete My (X) main squeeze is currently homeless so we are too much alike in that aspect.
Like you, I don't suffer fools well, unless they're Briefers. wink777
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It's Alyssa Milano.
@txradioguy
Ok,thanks! Now I sorta know who she is. IIRC,she was a pretty good actress at one time?
Now she's just a Progressive shrew. Anti-gun...pro open borders...pro Bernie Sanders...made it a point to be in the camera shot every time they cut to Brett Kavanaugh during his hearings.
That's calling "lobbying for another acting gig in Hollywood." Actors and Actresses tend to do idiot stuff like this once the producers quit calling and they get desperate for work.
She tried to call out Ted Cruz about his position on guns...he said "come to my office lets chat"...she did...he made her look dumb...got her to admit she owns two guns for "protection".
Well,you have to give her credit for accepting and showing up and admitting that she owns guns. I doubt most would do that.
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@roamer_1
Cruz frustrates the HELL out of me. He just seems to be a weasel,and then he starts to sound like a genuine conservative and gets me leaning towards supporting him,and the next thing I know,he back in Full Weasel mode again.
@sneakypete
I have backed him to the 9's ever since he arose. His Conservative credz have been immaculate since high school. His record is almost perfect... And I throw 'almost' in there just because nobody's perfect.
But since his loss to Tumpy, he has gone way down hill. He'd better pull out of it before he wrecks himself. And he is sure as hell frustrating me now.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOOD GUN CONTROL.
That's right. Shall Not Be Infringed.
Remember that when Tumpy signs it into law.
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@sneakypete
I have backed him to the 9's ever since he arose. His Conservative credz have been immaculate since high school. His record is almost perfect... And I throw 'almost' in there just because nobody's perfect.
But since his loss to Tumpy, he has gone way down hill. He'd better pull out of it before he wrecks himself. And he is sure as hell frustrating me now.
That's right. Shall Not Be Infringed.
Remember that when Tumpy signs it into law.
@roamer_1
The one thing nobody can say about Cruz is that he is stupid. He is probably one of the smartest guys in politics today,but his lust to live in the White House has him trying to be everything to everybody,and that only works if you are a Dim.
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@txradioguy
Ok,thanks! Now I sorta know who she is. IIRC,she was a pretty good actress at one time?
That's calling "lobbying for another acting gig in Hollywood." Actors and Actresses tend to do idiot stuff like this once the producers quit calling and they get desperate for work.
Well,you have to give her credit for accepting and showing up and admitting that she owns guns. I doubt most would do that.
The problem with her admitting...now and only now...that she has guns is all of her statements and comments on social media saying no one needs to own guns and all of the normal Progressive BS that follows that.
It's like when Rosie O'Donnell was railing agaisnt guns and gun ownership...only to have it revealed she had armed guards for her kids.
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@roamer_1
IF that is the case,I apologize. All *I* ever see from you are anti-Trump rants,though.
Maybe I am just not looking in the right places?
@sneakypete
That's not altogether true - I have defended him upon rare occasions. It is certainly true that I am against him. That I don't like him, and that I think him to be a small man with little integrity. I also think he lies all the time, and inflates his so called victories.
Am I anti-Tump? Oh hell yeah.
Heck, if it weren't for the office he holds, and calling himself and his movement 'conservative', I would hardly be aware of his existence.
That doesn't mean I hate him.
But it does make me laugh when his breathless unthinking acolytes use 'hater' language just like their liberal counterparts.
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Ted Cruz: 'Donald Trump has broken the Democratic Party'
by Hunter Lovell
September 15, 2019 11:48 AM
Republican Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos that President Trump has "broken the Democratic Party" and that Democrats are solely focused on "hating him."
ABC host George Stephanopoulos mentioned Cruz's warning that Texas could be a potential background state in the 2020 presidential election and noted that five Republican House members from the state have come forward saying they would not seek reelection next year.
Cruz claimed that the third Democratic presidential debate in Houston on Thursday was a "very bad night" for Democrats because the candidates did not mention the economy's relative strength through the third quarter of this year.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ted-cruz-donald-trump-has-broken-the-democratic-party (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ted-cruz-donald-trump-has-broken-the-democratic-party)
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@roamer_1
The one thing nobody can say about Cruz is that he is stupid. He is probably one of the smartest guys in politics today,but his lust to live in the White House has him trying to be everything to everybody,and that only works if you are a Dim.
@sneakypete
It is certainly looking like that now.
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I posted his proposed gun control bill from 2013 which he touted today on ABC. See post 48 on this very thread.
NO @Right_in_Virginia you did no such thing! You posted an article from the Hill with lots of statements about the bill but a link to the actual bill is nowhere to be found.
@txradioguy is exactly right on this and you should put that fire on your head out now.
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The problem with her admitting...now and only now...that she has guns is all of her statements and comments on social media saying no one needs to own guns and all of the normal Progressive BS that follows that.
It's like when Rosie O'Donnell was railing agaisnt guns and gun ownership...only to have it revealed she had armed guards for her kids.
@txradioguy
Same thing with Whoopie Goldberg being "anti-gun". She once gave a interview to Time or some similar magazine (I have CRS),and the interview took place in the farm house she owns in a rural area. In one of the photos taken in her kitchen,you can see a autoloading shotgun propped up against the wall. AFAIK,Whoopie has never addressed this and admitted or denied it,but there it was.
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@libertybelle
CRUZ called it a gun control bill,and if it is not about gun control,what is the 105 million dollars in the bill supposed to accomplish?
And we ALL know that if the bill is passed,105 million dollars will be just a down-payment on the money that will be spent by the time it passes.
The things the $105M are supposed to accomplish were already listed, in detail.
He called it "gun control" because it is largely measures to ensure that data is entered correctly, and in a timely manner, into the background check system that already exists.
Isn't our response to calls for more laws "enforce the ones you have on the books?" That's exactly what that bill tries to accomplish.
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NO @Right_in_Virginia you did no such thing! You posted an article from the Hill with lots of statements about the bill but a link to the actual bill is nowhere to be found.
@txradioguy is exactly right on this and you should put that fire on your head out now.
Sweetie, MY head is not the one on fire. :laugh:
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Sweetie, MY head is not the one on fire. :laugh:
Whatever you say dear! :yawn2:
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Here is the text of the 2019 Protecting the 2A bill:
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/116.S.x%20Protecting%20Communities%20and%20Preserving%20the%20Second%20Amendment%20Act%20of%202019.pdf (https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/116.S.x%20Protecting%20Communities%20and%20Preserving%20the%20Second%20Amendment%20Act%20of%202019.pdf)
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/s1519 (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/s1519)
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@sneakypete
You'll see on the record here that my support of Cruz has been waning for some time now. A gun control bill of any kind will seal that deal, and move me directly into 'Oh Hell No'.
Too bad too. Cruz is throwing it all away for Tumpy the Wonder Clown. **nononono*
Any candidate for any office who espouses further restrictions on our RKBA will have committed the 'deal breaker' for which there is no forgiveness, IMNSHO, and will never have my vote. It is time to start repealing that crap, not adding to the pile.
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Any candidate for any office who espouses further restrictions on our RKBA will have committed the 'deal breaker' for which there is no forgiveness, IMNSHO, and will never have my vote. It is time to start repealing that crap, not adding to the pile.
Thankfully...despite accusations to the contrary and an article from The Hill that was falsely claimed to be a gun bill supported by Cruz...Senator Cruz is not joining the "sensible gun law" crowd.
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@corbe
I'm not so sure that is fair to Cruz. I know and care nothing about his sexual orientation,but I do know she would have no trouble whatsoever pinning me.
Must be the chemo.... :tongue2: :silly:
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Any candidate for any office who espouses further restrictions on our RKBA will have committed the 'deal breaker' for which there is no forgiveness, IMNSHO, and will never have my vote. It is time to start repealing that crap, not adding to the pile.
That's right. To include Tumpy and the bump stock ban. Yet another issue that by itself would withhold my vote, regardless of whether he makes the trains run on time.
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Thankfully...despite accusations to the contrary and an article from The Hill that was falsely claimed to be a gun bill supported by Cruz...Senator Cruz is not joining the "sensible gun law" crowd.
I am not so sure. How does one assure against straw purchases? And his rhetoric allows one to sell or pass guns down to relatives... But so far as I have heard, has specifically avoided the rest of private sales.
I am beginning not to trust him anymore.
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@sneakypete
I have backed him to the 9's ever since he arose. His Conservative credz have been immaculate since high school. His record is almost perfect... And I throw 'almost' in there just because nobody's perfect.
But since his loss to Tumpy, he has gone way down hill. He'd better pull out of it before he wrecks himself. And he is sure as hell frustrating me now.
That's right. Shall Not Be Infringed.
Remember that when Tumpy signs it into law.
I have seen some of the slide of which you speak, but must admit survival on The Hill right now, among RINOs who were hostile to Cruz during the primaries (because they wanted a Jebbie or Rubio they could control completely) is walking a fine line through a minefield. I think he's in survival mode, especially after the near loss to Beto because he likely wasn't getting the backing he should have from the GOP, something which seems unreal to me after Beto's latest nonsense.
I'm watching him to see how he does with the most crucial stuff, and we're there. This is a make or break issue and no time to fold. Reading up thread the parts about reining in the mentally unstable and prosecuting straw purchases in an intelligent way is a far cry from the grumping I have seen about "Gun Control" -- more like nutcase control with regard to firearms, which I can say makes sense as long as the 'nutcase' label is a due process thing. I am definitely watching him on Red Flag laws, because for someone who has long presented himself as knowledgeable on the Constitution, those laws presented so far violate so many protected Civil Rights it isn't funny.
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I am not so sure. How does one assure against straw purchases? And his rhetoric allows one to sell or pass guns down to relatives... But so far as I have heard, has specifically avoided the rest of private sales.
I am beginning not to trust him anymore.
Straw purchases are already illegal. Private sales of they types of guns that the shooter in Odessa bought are illegal.
Like the title of an article I posted earlier says..."Here's a New Policy Concept: Enforce the laws".
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Mark my words... Trump if elected a second term will turn even more anti-second amendment. We all have seen the writing on the wall... and know his word is about as good as the next person with a pretty face to turn it. Lately it has been his daughter who never voted conservative in her life.
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Straw purchases are already illegal. Private sales of they types of guns that the shooter in Odessa bought are illegal.
Like the title of an article I posted earlier says..."Here's a New Policy Concept: Enforce the laws".
I guess that depends on where you are. Straw purchases are illegal most anywhere, but that is a Federa lthing.
In ND there are only restrictions on firearms which require Class III licenses and such being transferred privately without investigation or paperwork.
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Asked on Thursday if he supported Patrick’s specific measure — which would not affect private sales between friends and families — Cruz compared it to the notion of universal background checks.
“The consistent focus of Democrats in Congress is precisely the proposal that you laid out — it is mandating that all private person-to-person sales have a federal background check,†he said at a breakfast hosted by The Christian Science Monitor. “That’s a mistake.â€
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“I have every confidence the Legislature in Texas will debate and consider these issues. Thankfully, I serve in a different lunatic asylum.â€
https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/09/14/cruz-distances-tx-lt-governor-gun-control-remarks/
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That's right. To include Tumpy and the bump stock ban. Yet another issue that by itself would withhold my vote, regardless of whether he makes the trains run on time.
@roamer_1
Let me see if I understand you on this. If Trump were to sign a bill that required a waiting period to pick up a gun you buy,or something similar,you would refuse to vote for him even if he were running against Beato,Warren,Slow Joe,Bubbette!,or any of the other Dims that want gun confiscation?
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I guess that depends on where you are. Straw purchases are illegal most anywhere, but that is a Federa lthing.
Sooo how do you strengthen straw purchase laws?
In ND there are only restrictions on firearms which require Class III licenses and such being transferred privately without investigation or paperwork.
DITTO MT.
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Sooo how do you strengthen straw purchase laws?
DITTO MT.
Not sure, unless there is a provision to keep the ATF from demanding they be allowed.... :shrug:
They could be clarified in such a way, however, that would let a man buy his wife a pistol for her birthday without having to have her fill out the paperwork.
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I'm watching him to see how he does with the most crucial stuff, and we're there. This is a make or break issue and no time to fold. Reading up thread the parts about reining in the mentally unstable and prosecuting straw purchases in an intelligent way is a far cry from the grumping I have seen about "Gun Control" -- more like nutcase control with regard to firearms, which I can say makes sense as long as the 'nutcase' label is a due process thing.
@Smokin Joe
That sort of thing should have never been an issue to start with. If you have been judged to be mentally unbalanced,you shouldn't be running around free. You should be locked away in an asylum until you are judged to be mentally stable once again.
The FACTS are that these people are running around loose,taking dumps in the street,growling at dogs,barking at the moon,and voting Dim because the Dims WANTED them to be set free so they could vote Dim and cause trouble in order to give them the excuses they needed to pass more restrictive personal freedoms laws,
I am definitely watching him on Red Flag laws,
What are red flag laws? I know what false flag operations are,but red flags are new to me.
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@roamer_1
Let me see if I understand you on this. If Trump were to sign a bill that required a waiting period to pick up a gun you buy,or something similar,you would refuse to vote for him even if he were running against Beato,Warren,Slow Joe,Bubbette!,or any of the other Dims that want gun confiscation?
@sneakypete
No, I won't vote for him right now because of his bump stock ban.
We are where we are because of ceding ground. Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition.
Stop supporting ceding ground.
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Mark my words... Trump if elected a second term will turn even more anti-second amendment.
@Sighlass
You are obviously right. We should all vote for the Dim candidate,huh?
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Not sure, unless there is a provision to keep the ATF from demanding they be allowed.... :shrug:
They could be clarified in such a way, however, that would let a man buy his wife a pistol for her birthday without having to have her fill out the paperwork.
My wife an I have done that for each other and for our son already in Kentucky.
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@Smokin Joe
That sort of thing should have never been an issue to start with. If you have been judged to be mentally unbalanced,you shouldn't be running around free. You should be locked away in an asylum until you are judged to be mentally stable once again.
The FACTS are that these people are running around loose,taking dumps in the street,growling at dogs,barking at the moon,and voting Dim because the Dims WANTED them to be set free so they could vote Dim and cause trouble in order to give them the excuses they needed to pass more restrictive personal freedoms laws,
I fully agree. They are there because sooner or later someone will be willing to throw caution to the wind and demand that the Government take more of their rights to contain the nutcases who should already be contained. Imagine the reduction in demand for First Responders (EMS, Police) if these folks had people on staff to look after them, and the savings and improved efficacy of existing services. But then, the bureaucrats couldn't threaten the people with those services if they were not overloading them anyway, unnecessarily.
What are red flag laws? I know what false flag operations are,but red flags are new to me.
Also now being called Extreme Risk Protective Orders
Laws which enable the authorities in a jurisdiction to confiscate the firearms of someone on the basis of a statement by one person (even anonymous?) that the person who owns the guns poses a threat to others.
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2018/11/05/fatal-officer-involved-shooting-in-anne-arundel-county/ (https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2018/11/05/fatal-officer-involved-shooting-in-anne-arundel-county/)
and
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/09/05/mark-edward-rutkowsk-arrested-red-flag-law-gun-violence-threat-maryland/ (https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/09/05/mark-edward-rutkowsk-arrested-red-flag-law-gun-violence-threat-maryland/)
Note in the second one they hit the jackpot seizing over 100 weapons, but most of them belonged to the arrestee's father.
No word on whether the son had access to them or not.
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@sneakypete
No, I won't vote for him right now because of his bump stock ban.
We are where we are because of ceding ground. Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition.
Stop supporting ceding ground.
@roamer_1
No,liberalism is winning because Prima Donnas are picking anthills to defend to the death,while leaving the mountains undefended.
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@sneakypete
No, I won't vote for him right now because of his bump stock ban.
We are where we are because of ceding ground. Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition.
Stop supporting ceding ground.
I thought your decision to never vote for Trump predated the stupid bump-stock thing?
(I don't like the ban either because it's idiotic. I would never own one myself simply because I'm like @sneakypete and consider an inaccurate weapon worthless, but I would never block somebody else from choosing differently. I think we should also be able to buy suppressors off the shelf.)
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What are red flag laws? I know what false flag operations are,but red flags are new to me. (MY question)
Also now being called Extreme Risk Protective Orders
Laws which enable the authorities in a jurisdiction to confiscate the firearms of someone on the basis of a statement by one person (even anonymous?) that the person who owns the guns poses a threat to others.
and
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/09/05/mark-edward-rutkowsk-arrested-red-flag-law-gun-violence-threat-maryland/ (https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/09/05/mark-edward-rutkowsk-arrested-red-flag-law-gun-violence-threat-maryland/)
Note in the second one they hit the jackpot seizing over 100 weapons, but most of them belonged to the arrestee's father.
No word on whether the son had access to them or not.
@Smokin Joe
There is not one chance in HELL of any of that ever being within shouting distance of MAYBE being Constitutional.
It is BECAUSE of brain farts like that,that makes the Trump presidency so important at this point in our history. He has done more to revamp the federal judiciary that any President since King Franklin,and unlike King Franklin,he is doing it by appointing federal judges that are "original intent" Constitutionalists. These judicial appointments are more important to the survival of our nation as a free country "with justice for all" than ANY state or federal election.
And maybe one of the most telling aspects about them is Trump is pretty much remaining silent about them as they happen,instead of blowing his own horn as would be expected. I ALMOST believe he runs the freak show in public sometimes in order to distract the Dim children and keep them from noticing what he is doing quietly.
Trump has done more to preserve America in the short time he has been in office than any president in my living memory. Granted,it was a different world that Reagan grew up in and it was a changing world as he occupied the White House,and he did his best while still trusting the Dims to keep their promises to him. Hard to blame him for being fooled giving the changing world while he was President. He grew up in a different time than the rest of us.
On the other hand,Trump grew up in NYC,in a family that had to pay Dims bribes to be able to flush their toilets. He KNOWS what conniving liars and crooks they are BECAUSE of his family business and all the under the table payoffs they had to make to Dim politicians in order to make a profit from their real estate business. Face it,they have an absolute LOCK on government in the northeast where he lived,and he has to resent having to kiss their asses in order to do business. IMHO,this is why and how he developed his "bait and switch" business tactics to keep his opponents off-balance.
Nobody really knows what he is going to do until he does it,with ONE notable exception. In the end,he is not going to do ANYTHING that will diminish him in the history books because his ego is more important to him than his wealth or anything else other than his immediate family. He is obsessed with going down in history as a great President,and THAT is why we need to support him. From OUR POV,It has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with the survival of America.
After all,at BEST,Trump only has one more term in politics,and then it is over for him. America,on the other hand,will last a whole lot longer with any luck at all,and like him or hate him,Trump in the Oval Office is America's only chance for survival as a free nation and free people at this point in our history.
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I thought your decision to never vote for Trump predated the stupid bump-stock thing?
I have never changed my original position. I am accused of being close-minded. But here is why that may seem so. Events just like this one... Any one of which withholds my vote. All together making him abhorrent.
He dicked with R2KBA. There is no way in hell I will vote for him.
(I don't like the ban either because it's idiotic. I would never own one myself simply because I'm like @sneakypete and consider an inaccurate weapon worthless, but I would never block somebody else from choosing differently. I think we should also be able to buy suppressors off the shelf.)
Yes it is idiotic, I care far less about the idiocy of bump stocks than I do the precedent it sets.
And like a bump stock, a suppressor is an easy thing to make. My particular love/hate relationship with the law leaves those possibilities open to me.
For that matter, the simple machine that is the modern automatic rifle, or the even simpler mechanics of its past era, the Gatling gun as an instance, are not beyond my abilities to construct. It is not the law that would prevent me from making one, but merely a lack of need. If the need arises, well...
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@Smokin Joe
There is not one chance in HELL of any of that ever being within shouting distance of MAYBE being Constitutional.
It is BECAUSE of brain farts like that,that makes the Trump presidency so important at this point in our history. He has done more to revamp the federal judiciary that any President since King Franklin,and unlike King Franklin,he is doing it by appointing federal judges that are "original intent" Constitutionalists. These judicial appointments are more important to the survival of our nation as a free country "with justice for all" than ANY state or federal election.
And maybe one of the most telling aspects about them is Trump is pretty much remaining silent about them as they happen,instead of blowing his own horn as would be expected. I ALMOST believe he runs the freak show in public sometimes in order to distract the Dim children and keep them from noticing what he is doing quietly.
Trump has done more to preserve America in the short time he has been in office than any president in my living memory. Granted,it was a different world that Reagan grew up in and it was a changing world as he occupied the White House,and he did his best while still trusting the Dims to keep their promises to him. Hard to blame him for being fooled giving the changing world while he was President. He grew up in a different time than the rest of us.
On the other hand,Trump grew up in NYC,in a family that had to pay Dims bribes to be able to flush their toilets. He KNOWS what conniving liars and crooks they are BECAUSE of his family business and all the under the table payoffs they had to make to Dim politicians in order to make a profit from their real estate business. Face it,they have an absolute LOCK on government in the northeast where he lived,and he has to resent having to kiss their asses in order to do business. IMHO,this is why and how he developed his "bait and switch" business tactics to keep his opponents off-balance.
Nobody really knows what he is going to do until he does it,with ONE notable exception. In the end,he is not going to do ANYTHING that will diminish him in the history books because his ego is more important to him than his wealth or anything else other than his immediate family. He is obsessed with going down in history as a great President,and THAT is why we need to support him. From OUR POV,It has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with the survival of America.
After all,at BEST,Trump only has one more term in politics,and then it is over for him. America,on the other hand,will last a whole lot longer with any luck at all,and like him or hate him,Trump in the Oval Office is America's only chance for survival as a free nation and free people at this point in our history.
The problem with going down in the History books as a "great President" is that we know who is writing most of the History books. College professors. Leftists.
According to them, FDR was "great".
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I have never changed my original position. I am accused of being close-minded. But here is why that may seem so. Events just like this one... Any one of which withholds my vote. All together making him abhorrent.
He dicked with R2KBA. There is no way in hell I will vote for him.
Yes it is idiotic, I care far less about the idiocy of bump stocks than I do the precedent it sets.
And like a bump stock, a suppressor is an easy thing to make. My particular love/hate relationship with the law leaves those possibilities open to me.
For that matter, the simple machine that is the modern automatic rifle, or the even simpler mechanics of its past era, the Gatling gun as an instance, are not beyond my abilities to construct. It is not the law that would prevent me from making one, but merely a lack of need. If the need arises, well...
First, the ruling defines a semiautomatic action as being made into a fully automatic one by the addition of a device that has no effect on the function of the action, only on the ability of the user to use it.
A bipod and a hand crank/cam arrangement would potentially work as well and be as or more accurate if set up right.
I'm all in favor of conserving ammo and making each shot count, so I'm not interested in having one, but that doesn't mean I won't jealously guard my right to do so if I choose.
It's like owning a Lamborghini. Useless at this latitude, in winter, can't see over or around traffic, no ground clearance, bugger all for traction in snow. Sorry, don't need it. But that doesn't mean I think they should be outlawed.
And yes, suppressors should be hanging from a display in blister packs at Walmart and other outlets.
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First, the ruling defines a semiautomatic action as being made into a fully automatic one by the addition of a device that has no effect on the function of the action, only on the ability of the user to use it.
Funny that, by the way... I have lightened the action on triggers enough to know what can happen, internal to the action, with that in mind.
And there is a vast distinction between an automatic and a gun that unloads itself uncontrollably, which is why it is nothing but an idiotic party trick performed at tailgate parties down by the river.
A bipod and a hand crank/cam arrangement would potentially work as well and be as or more accurate if set up right.
That's right too - a simple substructure, clamped to any semi-auto, with far better results... Still a party trick though - as with a bit of practice, as I am sure you know, a man can come to compete with that cam with nothing but a finger, and likely with greater accuracy, as afforded by the practicing.
I'm all in favor of conserving ammo and making each shot count, so I'm not interested in having one, but that doesn't mean I won't jealously guard my right to do so if I choose.
It's like owning a Lamborghini. Useless at this latitude, in winter, can't see over or around traffic, no ground clearance, bugger all for traction in snow. Sorry, don't need it. But that doesn't mean I think they should be outlawed.
That's right. And I know a feller personally that is hell on wheels with a Colt. He cas rattle that gun so fast it sounds like a single sound... And every shot will go precisely where he put it. I have seen him draw and split a dime edgeways faster than you can blink.... Either hand, or both at the same time... Yeah, he may only have twelve shots at a time, but...
And yes, suppressors should be hanging from a display in blister packs at Walmart and other outlets.
Damn right. and why I pay the law no nevermind where it has no business being.
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@Sanguine
There is no such thing as a "GOOD"gun control bill.
How about approaching it from the side of known dangerous people, that should probably be locked of, but at least kept away from firearms, etc.
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How about approaching it from the side of known dangerous people, that should probably be locked of, but at least kept away from firearms, etc.
Those folks will kill using a baseball bat or a tire iron (or lacking those, a bicycle lock). The only way to be safe is to lock them away from decent folk. If we did that, then we'd know if they are sane enough to be walking free, then they are sane enough to have a firearm.
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How about approaching it from the side of known dangerous people, that should probably be locked of, but at least kept away from firearms, etc.
There is NOTHING you can do to keep me or anyone else from obtaining a firearm.
All you can do is write laws preventing people who would follow the laws, which the criminal and the insane do not.
So in effect your laws will do nothing other than further impinging the need and the right of the law-abiding. Nothing.
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The problem with going down in the History books as a "great President" is that we know who is writing most of the History books. College professors. Leftists.
According to them, FDR was "great".
@Smokin Joe
Yes,but even that might change. They got away with this stuff for decades because nobody was paying attention,and nobody was blowing the whistle on them. That can't be said about the politics of today,when everybody has access to the internet. The millionaire with the private island and jet being exposed as a child rapist and pimp is one example of something you would have never seen reported prior to a few years ago. You wouldn't hear nothing about the rich and famous bribing their children into colleges,either.
As a famous group of musical airheads once sang,"The times,they are a-changing."
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First, the ruling defines a semiautomatic action as being made into a fully automatic one by the addition of a device that has no effect on the function of the action, only on the ability of the user to use it.
A bipod and a hand crank/cam arrangement would potentially work as well and be as or more accurate if set up right.
@Smokin Joe
The good news is that with some of the new judges Trump has been appointing,we are MUCH more likely to see courts accepting these cases and then ruling against these things than in the past.
And IF that does happen and one un-constitutional gun law falls,look for an avalanche of them to follow.
And yes, suppressors should be hanging from a display in blister packs at Walmart and other outlets.
Kind of ironic,that Europe,where only Russia has a 2nd Amendment type of right now that communism was overthrown,has laws in some nations REQUIRING suppressors on hunting rifles,ain't it?
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How about approaching it from the side of known dangerous people, that should probably be locked of, but at least kept away from firearms, etc.
@truth_seeker
I honestly don't see that as a problem. If someone is known to be dangerous to the general public,WHY are they allowed to roam the streets freely,where they can harm themselves as well as others?
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@truth_seeker
I honestly don't see that as a problem. If someone is known to be dangerous to the general public,WHY are they allowed to roam the streets freely,where they can harm themselves as well as others?
It seems often the mass murderer is already known by LE, to be dangerous.
Nicolas Cruz is the first one to come to mind.
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It seems often the mass murderer is already known by LE, to be dangerous.
Nicolas Cruz is the first one to come to mind.
He's not the only one that comes to mind, for sure. Something is preventing LE from acting. In Cruz's case, LE went out of their way to look away.
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How about approaching it from the side of known dangerous people, that should probably be locked of, but at least kept away from firearms, etc.
But that would be putting the lie to the Left's whole mantra about where the problem lies....
"Gun crime"
"Gun violence"
and such would become, as it really is, a problem of specific People.
They are so hung up on blaming inanimate objects the papers were talking about planes running into buildings on 9/11 like the planes were the cause of that, and not the tool used.
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@Smokin Joe
Yes,but even that might change. They got away with this stuff for decades because nobody was paying attention,and nobody was blowing the whistle on them. That can't be said about the politics of today,when everybody has access to the internet. The millionaire with the private island and jet being exposed as a child rapist and pimp is one example of something you would have never seen reported prior to a few years ago. You wouldn't hear nothing about the rich and famous bribing their children into colleges,either.
As a famous group of musical airheads once sang,"The times,they are a-changing."
Funny you should quote that era of music, because it was the same era that saw the Communists of The New Left take over the Democrat Party. HHH was about the last.
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Funny you should quote that era of music, because it was the same era that saw the Communists of The New Left take over the Democrat Party. HHH was about the last.
@Smokin Joe
The Communists took over the Dim Party when King Roosevelt and his commie wife-cousin were elected during the depression. Chances are if he hadn't died,he would still be president and have sent US troops,food,and equipment into Russia to help save Communism there like he did in the 40's. We are still suffering from the effects of his leftist Supreme Court appointments even now.
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@Smokin Joe
The Communists took over the Dim Party when King Roosevelt and his commie wife-cousin were elected during the depression. Chances are if he hadn't died,he would still be president and have sent US troops,food,and equipment into Russia to help save Communism there like he did in the 40's. We are still suffering from the effects of his leftist Supreme Court appointments even now.
No argument here, although they openly took over the Party in the 60s and 70s, and ever since, have been pulling back the veil.
Roosevelt's most damnable act was the E.O. 6102, outlawing private 'hoarding' of gold, and 'redeeming' that lawful money in Federal Reserve Notes at $20.67/oz., after which the price of gold was reset $35.00 and the notes thus devalued by almost 50% overnight. Anyone who had any gold, who had not lost their money in bank collapses, was thus rendered a criminal. A relative took up coin collecting about then, did not comply, and the collection he kept sold for enough in the 1990s to pay for his wife's retirement.