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Written by Dr Michael Salla (http://exopolitics.org/author/dr-michael-salla/) on June 16, 2017. Posted in exopolitics research (http://exopolitics.org/category/exoresearch/), Featured (http://exopolitics.org/category/featured/)
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A new leaked Majestic-12 document was released on June 14 which describes a variety of extraterrestrial related encounters with humanity. This document includes claims that Nikola Tesla’s pioneering radio broadcasts into outer space in the late 1800’s alerted distant extraterrestrials to humanity’s existence, which led to them traveling to our planet, and later President Eisenhower established full diplomatic relations with these visiting extraterrestrials in 1954.
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The 47 page document is currently being reviewed by a number of document authentication researchers, but the preliminary conclusion drawn by veteran researcher Stanton Friedman is that there is no evidence of forgery according to Heather Wade (http://midnightinthedesert.com/exclusive-ultra-top-secret-assessment-situation-statement-position-ufos/), host of the radio show Midnight in the Desert.
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Heather Wade received documents last night from a trusted source. She immediately had Stanton Friedman take a look at these documents who said, “I have never seen anything like this, this is new MJ12 information.” Stanton Friedman is going to continue examining these documents for authenticity, but at this time we can find no evidence of forgery.
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Similarly, Dr. Robert Wood, another leading Majestic documents researcher, has also shared his preliminary view in an email that the “Stamps, markings, style, content, names” look genuine.
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The documents was sent by an anonymous whistleblower source to Wade who revealed its existence during her June 14 show, along with details about the document’s background. Wade asserts that the whistleblower is known to her and is a reliable source, but she is not going to release the person’s identity.
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There are four basic types of EBEs so-far confirmed. And they are listed here in descending order of their influences on our planet.
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A. Earth-like humanoids. There are several variations more-or-less like ourselves. The majority of these are friendly and are the bulk of our EBE contacts. Most have a high degree of psychic ability and all use science and engineering of an advanced nature.
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B. Small humanoids or “Grays”. The Grays, so–called for the hue of their skin possessed by most of this type, are a sort of drone. They are not unlike the worker ants or bees…. They are mostly under the psychic control of the Earth-like humanoids who raise them like pets (or a kind of slave). Assuming the Greys are under benign control, they are harmless.
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C. Non-humaoid EBEs. These are in several classes and come from worlds where dominatnt morphology took a different evolutionary course. Many of these are dangerous not for organized hostile intentions, but because such creatures do not hold human life as sacred…. Thus far, contact has been minimal with only a handful of unfortunate encounters.
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D. Transmorphic Entities. Of all the forms of EBE studied so far by Operation Majestic, these are the most difficult to understand or even to give a description of. Essentially, such entities are not “beings” or “creatures” … exist in some either dimension or plane which is to say not in our space or time. They do not use devices or travel in space…. In essence these entities are composed of pure mind energies. … They are said (by other EBEs) to be capable of taking on any physical form that they “channel” their energy … as matter.
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I'm sure the usual crop of dismissive naysaying debunkers will scream foul for their usual list of reasons.
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However, imho,
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Stanton Friedman is the world's best expert on the MJ12 documents. He went to exhaustive lengths with the original documents and, IIRC, changed his perspective after tons of meticulous research.
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I am convinced that, like most government documents on the topic, they are rife with disinformation and deception.
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The critters are again depicted, in this document, as largely benign, harmless etc.
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Not all government documents depict them so--but it is interesting that this one does.
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This document does have an interesting listing of 4 types of critters.
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Some government sources talk about 70 different types. There are different numbers of types given by different sources at different times.
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Most highly placed sources do affirm that there are:
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1. Humanoids--e.g. the "Nordics" that are varying degrees indistinguishable from normal humans.
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2. Reptoids--of various types--from crocodile to a modified T-Res-headed sort of upright bi-pedal reptoid.
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3. Insectoids--one of the more common mentioned is the "praying mantis" type e.g. depicted in CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND.
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4. Greys--of various types. Most folks are not aware that greys come in various sizes, slightly different head shapes etc.
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Some folks are derisive about the whole idea of mankind interacting officially with such critters--as though it is a totally farcical sci-fi fantasy cooked up by delusional tin-foil hats. The government's decades long strategy of ridicule has been exceedingly effective. Generations of folks have been convinced--and some hereon still are--that such ideas are false and ridiculous.
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However the documentation is extremely extensive. The number of even top level whistle-blowers numbers in the 100's. Dr Greer's DISCLOSURE PROJECT with the DC Press Club included many of them.
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William Thompkins' disclosures in his autobiography are not fitting to be dismissed lightly, by any fair-minded, well-informed person. Dr Michael Sala--the author of this article--researched many of William Thompkins' assertions and documents in Thompkins autobiography about his work for decades in such black projects. IIRC, EVERY ONE of the documents or points of fact that Dr Sala was able to research proved out absolutely accurate and true.
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It is not too far-fetched to believe that the bulk of Thompkins other assertions in his book are also largely true.
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However, old constructions on reality die hard. They will only be pryed from the rigidified brains of some staunch disbelievers when the reptoids begin slicing them up for their Bar-B-Q (slight, partial joke).
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Until then, the lemmings, Eloi, sheeple will continue to shuffle down the propagandized path the oligarchy owned media has carefully constructed for them at least since 1915 & 1917. And the Morlachs are definitely waiting in their caverns at the end of said path--whether the government is willing to acknowledge that, or not.
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Others who commented--some quite derisively--on another thread about such stuff:
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@Oceander
@Jazzhead
@thackney
@catfish1957
@MOD8
@Just_Victor
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I think what it comes down to are three things.
1. Some people are limited in their intelligence and can't wrap their minds around it.
2. It causes others fear at a deep level--they can't handle the truth.
3. They are powerless against it so they dismiss it.
Tesla's, and others, pioneering work, may have alerted some to our existence, but others have been around for a long time. Some may be somewhat benign, and I am going to read into this, Many of these are dangerous not for organized hostile intentions, but some are organized with hostile intentions. Those have been around , again, for a long time, and their bad intentions have beeen at the root of a lot of evil in this world. Those plans are coming to a culmination. Or being forced to some type of climax. Perhaps by the Second Coming.
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:facepalm2:
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"President Eisenhower established full diplomatic relations with these visiting extraterrestrials in 1954."
Bob worked in the Pentagon, Intelligence Division, knowing the highest secrets of the country during the period of President Eisenhower's presidency. He was sworn to secrecy for 20 years after he left there. That 20 years is over, so when you see Bob, ask him about extraterrestrials and Eisenhower.
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Those basic classes pretty much cover all the different accounts of critters from elsewhere people have claimed to see. I'm a 'Doubting Thomas' in many regards, but will not dismiss out of hand the idea that there may be other types of intelligent critter in the universe, nor that some of them may have happened to show up here.
I will note there is abundant reason to defraud, on both sides of the issue, both by those who claim what may not be, and by those who may deny what may be, if that makes sense.
As much of the evidence depends on the word of people who could gain from perpetrating a hoax, it is difficult to give that much weight. (I'm not saying anyone is a liar, just that considerable incentive exists.)
OTOH, humans might not respond well to the known presence of others who are capable of performing feats of technology or otherwise which they do not comprehend, and that would be a good excuse to gradually rework the race and its mental processes through evolving technology and ideas which would make the disclosure of such information or relationships go more smoothly, so secrecy would be important to that transition.
I'm not committing one way or the other, just checking things out.
There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamed of in my philosophy, to paraphrase Hamlet.
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I don't know if you are aware, or have any interest, in the race of giants that was in existence and may still have remnants remaining? The combined efforts of the intelligentsia and academia to hide and obscure that is pretty interesting.
This is a pretty interesting story. While it isn't about giants, it is about the machinations that drive the forcing of everyone into the tight little box of Darwinism and the "established" paradigm regarding man's origins.
http://www.s8int.com/truesuppressions4.html
Now to the subject of UFOs and aliens. Combine rock art, petroglyphs, oral traditions, written texts, ancient--including scripture and more modern documents, eyewitness accounts, especially from highly trained professionals and government officials who are in the know, some trace physical evidence, video and photographs, and the blatant efforts to hide, mislead, and obscure all of that, including for gain professionally done hoaxes, a reasonable person (Me) can only conclude there is something there more than a maybe. It is there.
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I know others have brought this up, but I find it very hard to believe that any single government would be capable of covering up such a large "happening", much less several or many governments. It's much easier to believe that such beings can exist than any gov't is capable of covering up their existence for as long as they supposedly have.
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I know others have brought this up, but I find it very hard to believe that any single government would be capable of covering up such a large "happening", much less several or many governments. It's much easier to believe that such beings can exist than any gov't is capable of covering up their existence for as long as they supposedly have.
They can't cover up their existence. They can cover up the amount of interaction those ET's have. They do it in every other aspect. It is far easier for me to believe they are hiding the truth considering their long and storied use of lies, propaganda and misinformation including the redaction of documents, if you can get them, FOIA, or not.
One of the easiest methods used by the government is to throw the label of "lunatic fringe" on people. Another is the all-including and amorphous classification of "national security". Whether the subject is UFOs/ETs or something else.
I am going to go with someone who has studied this, like @Quix, than any government line, every time.
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I don't know if you are aware, or have any interest, in the race of giants that was in existence and may still have remnants remaining? The combined efforts of the intelligentsia and academia to hide and obscure that is pretty interesting.
This is a pretty interesting story. While it isn't about giants, it is about the machinations that drive the forcing of everyone into the tight little box of Darwinism and the "established" paradigm regarding man's origins.
http://www.s8int.com/truesuppressions4.html
Now to the subject of UFOs and aliens. Combine rock art, petroglyphs, oral traditions, written texts, ancient--including scripture and more modern documents, eyewitness accounts, especially from highly trained professionals and government officials who are in the know, some trace physical evidence, video and photographs, and the blatant efforts to hide, mislead, and obscure all of that, including for gain professionally done hoaxes, a reasonable person (Me) can only conclude there is something there more than a maybe. It is there.
Funny thing about Giants, Fred, they are even mentioned in the Bible. There are other mentions of fiery chariots that are either mention of craft traveling through atmosphere or a metaphor. I don't believe Jesus was an astronaut, though.
The problem with rock art and petroglyphs is that we interpret those to mean something they may not. That spiffy headdress may look like a space helmet, but is it? A suit made for diving would look much the same. Masks and costumes figured heavily in many Native Cultures, and southwestern art, from Kachinas to petroglyphs, may be representations of deities which are the product more of the mind warps of peyote or other hallucinogenics than warp drives.
That tight box of Darwinism has made many messes, including race and regional relations, and has been used as an excuse for everything from slavery to genocide, and doubtless caused the destruction or suppression of a great deal of archaeological material that didn't fit. How long was the concept of pre-clovis culture suppressed? Yet the evidence was there, nonetheless. and it took generations of Archaeologists who had staked their reputations on it fading from view before the general acceptance of digging a little deeper and finding more came to be. Similarly, the idea that other cultures had antedated the Spaniards visit to the Americas was squelched, even though there were people waiting on the beach when they got here.
I had an Archaeology/Anthropology Professor who said he believed humans had been in the Americas since at least 32,000BC, and possibly earlier. Consider the possibility of cities of an interglacial period wiped out and bulldozed by the next ice event, buried under tens of feet of Loess and Glacial outwash, and removed from the landscape. That might explain the more advanced seeming equatorial civilizations in re architecture, agriculture, writing and science, as the more polar equivalents had been destroyed.
All I know is that we don't know.
We presume, based on Mr. Darwin's linearity, that we are the most advanced here following his progression from primitive to advanced, yet with a moment of cataclysm, a deadly plague, and a couple of centuries of sifting the ashes, would we be? What would remain in a thousand years? Not so much as we seem to expect from others far more distant, temporally, from the present day. If Carter or Schliemann had found the well aged remnants of a transistor radio,would they even have recognized them as an artifact? Or would the Darwinists out there have found a rubbish bin to conveniently dispose of the bits that didn't fit. We still don't 'get' the astrolabe, so surely something was going on beyond us, however limited in scope it was.
There may well have been visitors, and some level of interaction. Maybe the old bit about 'take me to your leader' has a basis in more than popular fiction and Buggs Bunny cartoons, after all. I will not pretend to know, but will risk slicing myself badly on Occam's Razor and say that perhaps we humans were at one time even more advanced than we care to believe.
Speculation is fun, either way. Someday we will know.
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"President Eisenhower established full diplomatic relations with these visiting extraterrestrials in 1954."
Bob worked in the Pentagon, Intelligence Division, knowing the highest secrets of the country during the period of President Eisenhower's presidency. He was sworn to secrecy for 20 years after he left there. That 20 years is over, so when you see Bob, ask him about extraterrestrials and Eisenhower.
Will plan to do that.
Until then . . . LOL . . . Ike's granddaughter has had a fair amount to say about such things.
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I think what it comes down to are three things.
1. Some people are limited in their intelligence and can't wrap their minds around it.
2. It causes others fear at a deep level--they can't handle the truth.
3. They are powerless against it so they dismiss it.
Tesla's, and others, pioneering work, may have alerted some to our existence, but others have been around for a long time. Some may be somewhat benign, and I am going to read into this, Many of these are dangerous not for organized hostile intentions, but some are organized with hostile intentions. Those have been around , again, for a long time, and their bad intentions have beeen at the root of a lot of evil in this world. Those plans are coming to a culmination. Or being forced to some type of climax. Perhaps by the Second Coming.
Great points.
One of the concerns I have about the . . . somewhat shocking fact that so many still seem quite incredulous about such realities . . . is that we have reached the point when it is overdue to begin discussing the THEREFORE-WHAT'S and prepping for the more overt and devastating implications.
The time for quibbling about their existence, or not, is well past, imho. The better informed and thoughtful realized that was a settled issue a very long time ago.
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I think the 'transmorphic' critters are one of the more brazen analogs to the fallen angels construct. Time will tell. They are certainly one of the more interesting variations.
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Those basic classes pretty much cover all the different accounts of critters from elsewhere people have claimed to see. I'm a 'Doubting Thomas' in many regards, but will not dismiss out of hand the idea that there may be other types of intelligent critter in the universe, nor that some of them may have happened to show up here.
I will note there is abundant reason to defraud, on both sides of the issue, both by those who claim what may not be, and by those who may deny what may be, if that makes sense.
As much of the evidence depends on the word of people who could gain from perpetrating a hoax, it is difficult to give that much weight. (I'm not saying anyone is a liar, just that considerable incentive exists.)
OTOH, humans might not respond well to the known presence of others who are capable of performing feats of technology or otherwise which they do not comprehend, and that would be a good excuse to gradually rework the race and its mental processes through evolving technology and ideas which would make the disclosure of such information or relationships go more smoothly, so secrecy would be important to that transition.
I'm not committing one way or the other, just checking things out.
There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamed of in my philosophy, to paraphrase Hamlet.
Reasonable concerns . . . particularly at a point in the recent past.
imho, the mountains of evidence have overwhelmed a lot of those issues.
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Those basic classes pretty much cover all the different accounts of critters from elsewhere people have claimed to see. I'm a 'Doubting Thomas' in many regards, but will not dismiss out of hand the idea that there may be other types of intelligent critter in the universe, nor that some of them may have happened to show up here.
I will note there is abundant reason to defraud, on both sides of the issue, both by those who claim what may not be, and by those who may deny what may be, if that makes sense.
As much of the evidence depends on the word of people who could gain from perpetrating a hoax, it is difficult to give that much weight. (I'm not saying anyone is a liar, just that considerable incentive exists.)
OTOH, humans might not respond well to the known presence of others who are capable of performing feats of technology or otherwise which they do not comprehend, and that would be a good excuse to gradually rework the race and its mental processes through evolving technology and ideas which would make the disclosure of such information or relationships go more smoothly, so secrecy would be important to that transition.
I'm not committing one way or the other, just checking things out.
There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamed of in my philosophy, to paraphrase Hamlet.
I didn't want to get into the giants stuff for decades.
Then I investigated it more. There's plenty of evidence there for a very sobering conclusion.
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Masks and costumes figured heavily in many Native Cultures, and southwestern art, from Kachinas to petroglyphs, may be representations of deities which are the product more of the mind warps of peyote or other hallucinogenics than warp drives.
All I can go on there is personal experience. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I've never had mind warps that involved deities as a product from the use of psychedelics/hallucinogens.
I tend to believe they are more anthropomorphized depictions of real world events.
There is scientific data coming in to prove a comet strike or series of comet/asteroid strikes that caused the Younger/Dryas. Impacts in the North American ice sheet some 12,000 years ago. Initiating their rapid meltdown and a world flood. Destroying much of any civilization worldwide, at that time.
One of the roadblocks in defining advanced civilization is viewing it through current technological development.
There is some interesting information out there from Randall Carson (he may pique your interest) and Graham Hancock. Although Hancock is pretty much off on a DMT kick nowadays.
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I know others have brought this up, but I find it very hard to believe that any single government would be capable of covering up such a large "happening", much less several or many governments. It's much easier to believe that such beings can exist than any gov't is capable of covering up their existence for as long as they supposedly have.
Let's look at that for a second, especially after the signature of the first atomic weapons was sent (incidentally) into space. That defines a level of scientific development beyond the ordinary (what we know as Newtonian) phyaics, and possible a civilization on its way to either the stars or self-destruction (or even both).
If I happened to be a sentient species on a distant planet, noting the 'disturbance in the force', if you will, having the ability to travel galactic distances, and thus the ability to discern planets capable of producing and even containing life, that would narrow down the search area, and who to check on ever few hundred or thousand Earth years. However, once the transition had been made form what we know as Newtonian physics to Einsteinian physics, the interest level would go up. Earth orbit capability and programs as 'primitive' as the V-2 would signal an interest in exploring off planet, so the interest level would go up considerable.
An old medical book I got from the late 40s fully anticipated nuclear war. Oddly enough, there was an entire section pasted into the back as an appendix dealing with that topic. It didn't happen. Humans are still warlike critters, the Nuclear Winter hadn't been proposed, there was still plenty to fight over, and another generation coming of age, yer we confined out hostilities to snoop and poop operations, threats, and proxy wars, with the occasional saber rattling of an impressive 'test'.
About the same time though, we started seeing things in the skies, perhaps out of piqued interest, but in increasing numbers, apparently interested in our use of atomics, our military capabilities, bovine anatomy, and eventually, the 'probe'. If those were not a hoax, we were indeed being studied...
Our transmissions, plenty enough would be monitored, translated, in an effort to understand our culture and motivation, and our leaders would be figured out in short order. It would be little enough to drop in at Camp David or any other remote location which was under guard, and interact with the people there. As a leader, I know I would want to meet with the visitor to discern as much as I could about them and their culture and their motives, and perhaps, just perhaps, obtain some sort of unfair advantage for my country, my 'tribe'.
As would the leader of any other country with major capabilities.
Nor would I want those meetings made known. Not to my people who might have a serious misunderstanding about the nature of those communications, nor would I want my enemies to know, because there is a good chance they would want to do all in their power to devastate my country before I could capitalize on any advantage I might be able to gain.
I am a firm believer in American exceptionalism, mind you, because I believe we have (had, anyway) a system of government that nurtures innovation, that rewards performance, that incentivizes the idea of developing the next gee whiz gadget and being the leader in all we do. We are a highly competitive race, after all. As were our main competitors, though their governmental form limited the ability to capitalize on that desire to compete, sometimes to hairy chested lady shotputters, or to stolen plans for the last innovation or copying things, but they, too, had firsts we cannot ignore, from sputnik to the mig 15.
Just perhaps, a few bits here and there were let out to see what either of us would do with them, with the promise of more little breakthroughs in exchange for not destroying each other, and for generally making the use of such gadgets as the one on which I am typing this commonplace. Even this relatively primitive box would have been a huge advance over the computers my father worked on when I was a child.
It would have been beyond 'gee whiz'. A cell phone would have prompted reverse engineering programs that might have taken decades to ferret out the workings and not only replicate them, but adapt our culture from the party line dial phones of my youth to the idea of having more computing power in your pocket than I have even on this computer (less storage, but more processor), and a screen with resolution to fit this missive on a postage stamp.
Did we do this by ourselves? I'd like to think so. But there is that alternate explanation, that we had help at some level. Would the governments keep it secret? Would it get out of the gulag? Would Americans believe it? Between national security and ridicule and the threat of professional destruction, most folks would indeed keep quiet and the remainder could be marginalized. The governments would keep the secret from their people as long as they could, and certainly from other governments for as long as possible.
And if the secret hadn't been kept, those who spoke up are questioned, because we wouldn't think the secret could have been kept, when, if there is a secret to keep, it hasn't been. Suppose, for a second, that all those 'top secret leaked reports' were true. What if it had been released and no one believed?
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I know others have brought this up, but I find it very hard to believe that any single government would be capable of covering up such a large "happening", much less several or many governments. It's much easier to believe that such beings can exist than any gov't is capable of covering up their existence for as long as they supposedly have.
Hard to believe, or not, it's plenty true as Stanton Friedman has documented.
However, it somewhat depends on definitions.
Some things a collection off allies have kept totally off the public radar for decades. . . . though that's not the case with the UFO stuff.
Plenty HAS leaked out. There's merely been the RIDICULE strategy coupled with the killing folks and stealing evidence that has relegated the perceptive noticing how high the pile of evidence was--has relegated them to a minority--though that minority has now become the majority who believe in such things. Some surveys indicate 80%.
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Masks and costumes figured heavily in many Native Cultures, and southwestern art, from Kachinas to petroglyphs, may be representations of deities which are the product more of the mind warps of peyote or other hallucinogenics than warp drives.
All I can go on there is personal experience. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I've never had mind warps that involved deities as a product from the use of psychedelics/hallucinogens.
I tend to believe they are more anthropomorphized depictions of real world events.
There is scientific data coming in to prove a comet strike or series of comet/asteroid strikes that caused the Younger/Dryas. Impacts in the North American ice sheet some 12,000 years ago. Initiating their rapid meltdown and a world flood. Destroying much of any civilization worldwide, at that time.
One of the roadblocks in defining advanced civilization is viewing it through current technological development.
There is some interesting information out there from Randall Carson (he may pique your interest) and Graham Hancock. Although Hancock is pretty much off on a DMT kick nowadays.
True enough about discerning civilization through our own cultural filters.
Catastrophism got lost somewhere in the Darwin model and uniformitarianism. While, between catastrophic events like the Toba Eruption and the Younger Dryas events things may have proceeded more ordinarily, events form the Black Plague to simple hostility and crop failures all have made major power shifts in civilizations.
Those which seemed to best retain technology (as evidenced by surviving architecture) were equatorial and less likely to suffer the catastrophic adverse effects of recurrent ice events or of flooding in coastal areas. Although the civilizations closer to the poles and sea level would be far more susceptible to such events, the higher altitude civilizations would feel the pinch as well. Perhaps that is why human sacrifice became something more prevalent in South/Central Americna populaitons, in order to trim the population that some might survive, and carried on out of habit or ingrained practice, although the behaviour was not limited to the Americas. The Anasazi may well have had to move or die because of such an event. (puts all this quibbling about CO2 levels in perspective, doesn't it? )
The bottom line is that we don't know what we don't know. I spent a summer digging on an archaeological crew, and realized that the recognition of artifacts as artifacts was largely dependent on what the person doing the digging had seen. I found broken unfired pottery fragments in one site, and only knew it for what it was because I recognized the grit tempering it was in the middle and the outside and inside surfaces had been smoothed. Had I not known that for what it was it would have ended up in the back dirt.
It would be fun to try to figure out where those impacts occurred and go hunting meteorites, though...the 'splatter' seems to have created the Carolina Bays, so it must have been a pretty intense hit, which would imply a lot of odd bits of rock laying about somewhere in Canada.
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INDEED. Hiding in plain sight and plausible deniability along with ridicule have been massively effective to 'control the narrative' and the popular gestalt of what 'reality' is about.
Then, there's William Casey's comment to Reagan . . . "We'll know our (CIA's) work is done when everything the American public believes is false."
Let's look at that for a second, especially after the signature of the first atomic weapons was sent (incidentally) into space. That defines a level of scientific development beyond the ordinary (what we know as Newtonian) phyaics, and possible a civilization on its way to either the stars or self-destruction (or even both).
If I happened to be a sentient species on a distant planet, noting the 'disturbance in the force', if you will, having the ability to travel galactic distances, and thus the ability to discern planets capable of producing and even containing life, that would narrow down the search area, and who to check on ever few hundred or thousand Earth years. However, once the transition had been made form what we know as Newtonian physics to Einsteinian physics, the interest level would go up. Earth orbit capability and programs as 'primitive' as the V-2 would signal an interest in exploring off planet, so the interest level would go up considerable.
An old medical book I got from the late 40s fully anticipated nuclear war. Oddly enough, there was an entire section pasted into the back as an appendix dealing with that topic. It didn't happen. Humans are still warlike critters, the Nuclear Winter hadn't been proposed, there was still plenty to fight over, and another generation coming of age, yer we confined out hostilities to snoop and poop operations, threats, and proxy wars, with the occasional saber rattling of an impressive 'test'.
About the same time though, we started seeing things in the skies, perhaps out of piqued interest, but in increasing numbers, apparently interested in our use of atomics, our military capabilities, bovine anatomy, and eventually, the 'probe'. If those were not a hoax, we were indeed being studied...
Our transmissions, plenty enough would be monitored, translated, in an effort to understand our culture and motivation, and our leaders would be figured out in short order. It would be little enough to drop in at Camp David or any other remote location which was under guard, and interact with the people there. As a leader, I know I would want to meet with the visitor to discern as much as I could about them and their culture and their motives, and perhaps, just perhaps, obtain some sort of unfair advantage for my country, my 'tribe'.
As would the leader of any other country with major capabilities.
Nor would I want those meetings made known. Not to my people who might have a serious misunderstanding about the nature of those communications, nor would I want my enemies to know, because there is a good chance they would want to do all in their power to devastate my country before I could capitalize on any advantage I might be able to gain.
I am a firm believer in American exceptionalism, mind you, because I believe we have (had, anyway) a system of government that nurtures innovation, that rewards performance, that incentivizes the idea of developing the next gee whiz gadget and being the leader in all we do. We are a highly competitive race, after all. As were our main competitors, though their governmental form limited the ability to capitalize on that desire to compete, sometimes to hairy chested lady shotputters, or to stolen plans for the last innovation or copying things, but they, too, had firsts we cannot ignore, from sputnik to the mig 15.
Just perhaps, a few bits here and there were let out to see what either of us would do with them, with the promise of more little breakthroughs in exchange for not destroying each other, and for generally making the use of such gadgets as the one on which I am typing this commonplace. Even this relatively primitive box would have been a huge advance over the computers my father worked on when I was a child.
It would have been beyond 'gee whiz'. A cell phone would have prompted reverse engineering programs that might have taken decades to ferret out the workings and not only replicate them, but adapt our culture from the party line dial phones of my youth to the idea of having more computing power in your pocket than I have even on this computer (less storage, but more processor), and a screen with resolution to fit this missive on a postage stamp.
Did we do this by ourselves? I'd like to think so. But there is that alternate explanation, that we had help at some level. Would the governments keep it secret? Would it get out of the gulag? Would Americans believe it? Between national security and ridicule and the threat of professional destruction, most folks would indeed keep quiet and the remainder could be marginalized. The governments would keep the secret from their people as long as they could, and certainly from other governments for as long as possible.
And if the secret hadn't been kept, those who spoke up are questioned, because we wouldn't think the secret could have been kept, when, if there is a secret to keep, it hasn't been. Suppose, for a second, that all those 'top secret leaked reports' were true. What if it had been released and no one believed?
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I expect to be back after lunch with a men's group brother.
Blessings,
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I expect to be back after lunch with a men's group brother.
Blessings,
And to you! Enjoy!
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@Smokin Joe
Randall Carlson--Not Randall Carson.
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@Smokin Joe
Randall Carlson--Not Randall Carson.
Thanks, Fred, I'll check into it!
It looks interesting, frankly. I'm leery of what seem like almost cultish aspects, but I will check further and see what evidence he has.
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Thanks, Fred, I'll check into it!
It looks interesting, frankly. I'm leery of what seem like almost cultish aspects, but I will check further and see what evidence he has.
Try this video. I follow some sacred geometry/archeoastronomy stuff. Not into the cult aspects except in opposition to the cults.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_9na0-mwA&t=9607s
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Please excuse the thread hijack, @Quix.
I think that UFOs, aliens, ancient civilization, ancient catastrophes, giants, etc. are all inextricably intertwined. I'm trying to put it all in one package, mostly for my own enlightenment.
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Thanks, Fred, I'll check into it!
It looks interesting, frankly. I'm leery of what seem like almost cultish aspects, but I will check further and see what evidence he has.
I have a similar aversion to the cultish stuff.
HOWEVER, it is, imho, inextricably wrapped up in the whole shebang.
The Nazi's were clearly into occult stuff and that was a key aspect of their interactions with the critters pre and during WWII.
Occult, at it's foundational definition, = hidden. Certainly satan has been hiding stuff, deceiving about stuff from his beginning as the dark lord. A major strategy of his efforts at such have involved various cultish movements over the centuries--from at least Babylon, onward.
THE BABYLON CODE: SOLVING THE BIBLE'S GREATEST END TIMES MYSTERY by Paul McGuire is a good lengthy summary of a lot of such stuff.
I don't think there is a functional way to steer clear of the cultish stuff wound up with the UFO & critter stuff. I think the most we can do is prayerfully and Biblically, with Holy Spirit's help--do what we can to sort out the fly specks from the pepper.
And, actually, whenever we notice a cultish aspect, we can be reasonably certain that the satanic; the occult; the Great Deception; and the oligarchy not far removed from such aspects.
There's more than a little evidence that the leading elite are intensely wound up in the occult and out-right cultish elements of such--to the point of buggering & sacrificing toddler boys to satan as part of their initiation into the upper ranks.
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Try this video. I follow some sacred geometry/archeoastronomy stuff. Not into the cult aspects except in opposition to the cults.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_9na0-mwA&t=9607s
Thanks for the link & video. I hope to get to it later today. Looks interesting.
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As you may have noticed, I'm not all that rigid or strict about following the OP topic--as long as things are mostly kept within the larger topic area.
I think you are exactly right to realize that it's all wound up together. I didn't start out seeing it that way. But that's where the evidence has taken me. Now, it seems brazenly obvious.
Please excuse the thread hijack, @Quix.
I think that UFOs, aliens, ancient civilization, ancient catastrophes, giants, etc. are all inextricably intertwined. I'm trying to put it all in one package, mostly for my own enlightenment.
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Hiding things in plain sight has been a reliable & effective strategy in the UFO field for decades.
This is particularly true in terms of the use by the CIA of movies etc. This was true from at least the original radio show WAR OF THE WORLDS through THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, Star Wars, Star Trek and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE 3RD KIND.
It has long been a successful practice to condition the population by presenting facts as fiction.
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I think what it comes down to are three things.
1. Some people are limited in their intelligence and can't wrap their minds around it.
2. It causes others fear at a deep level--they can't handle the truth.
3. They are powerless against it so they dismiss it.
Tesla's, and others, pioneering work, may have alerted some to our existence, but others have been around for a long time. Some may be somewhat benign, and I am going to read into this, Many of these are dangerous not for organized hostile intentions, but some are organized with hostile intentions. Those have been around , again, for a long time, and their bad intentions have beeen at the root of a lot of evil in this world. Those plans are coming to a culmination. Or being forced to some type of climax. Perhaps by the Second Coming.
I think it comes down to one thing: there is no objective, supporting evidence ever presented by any of these "ufologists". Just the usual fanciful announcements, pseudo-science, and blurry, inconclusive photos. Until we have that, everything else is at best an entertaining fiction, and at worse a deliberate hoax.
I say this as one who believes that the mathematics of the universe make it likely that there are other intelligent species out there. But all these whackadoodles that Qix quotes aren't tapped into anything other than fancy and fraud. Dr. Michael Scalla? Please, this is some clown with a PhD in "Government".
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I think it comes down to one thing: there is no objective, supporting evidence ever presented by any of these "ufologists". Just the usual fanciful announcements, pseudo-science, and blurry, inconclusive photos. Until we have that, everything else is at best an entertaining fiction, and at worse a deliberate hoax.
I say this as one who believes that the mathematics of the universe make it likely that there are other intelligent species out there. But all these whackadoodles that Qix quotes aren't tapped into anything other than fancy and fraud. Dr. Michael Scalla? Please, this is some clown with a PhD in "Government".
imho, your assertions are extremely over-wrought, exaggerated and somewhat just plain 180 degrees from fact--simply wrong.
Perhaps Dr Sala is not a Nobel Prize winner from Harvard.
Nevertheless, the head of Harvard's psychiatric hospital was exceedingly qualified and was STILL derisively dismissed as a quack by folks with your sort of perspective. Bias, tunnel vision, ignorance, normalcy bias etc still reign supreme in many lives.
Dr Sala DID seriously, solidly, meticulously do the grunt work similar to that which Stanton Friedman is such an excellent example of doing so frequently in the field. Dr Sala meticulously tracked down the hard VERIFIABLE proof of the documents William Tompkins provided in his book. Every last one of them he managed to research proved out to be 100% reliable and factual exactly as William Tompkins had asserted. He DID work where he said he did. He DID work at the sorts of things he said he worked at. etc. etc. etc.
Denial of facts does not neuter the facts nor make them false.
there is no objective, supporting evidence ever presented by any of these "ufologists"
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That is simply NOT TRUE.
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Your lack of awareness of such facts does not neuter the facts.
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Your lack of fitting, fair-minded appreciation of and respect for the facts does not neuter the facts.
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There's been tons of objective supporting evidence provided by very high ranking military, scientific et al personnel involved first hand with the critters and the technology. There's been far more such evidence than routinely convicts murderers to the death chamber.
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And the last year or so, there's even been solid documentation of various aspects of the technical aspects of the craft and related technologies. Some of such documentation has been included with patents and working models etc.
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Besides that, the sheer numbers of people involved--as victims of abductions and as staff in government and military projects working with the critters and technology--the sheer numbers of those thousands of people are incredible. It is no surprise that a sampling of those numbers have included very serious disclosures from whistle-blowers from those thousands of people.
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You can deny the validity of all that testimony if it helps you sleep better. It won't change the facts.
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Thoughtful, perceptive, fair-minded, balanced folks are not so victimized by the defense of denial.
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The debunkers--professional government paid--and the volunteered religiously compelled/philosophically compelled/ psychodynamically compelled folks can deny 24/7/365 days a year. It will not change the facts.
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More sadly, it will not significantly, if at all, delay the overt manifestations of such phenomena scheduled in the not too distant future.
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You can call William Thompkin's assertions and facts 'fanciful announcements' if you wish. It merely shows your lack of knowledge, your ignorance. Even checking his facts out 3-5% would reveal that broadside to be fanciful hogwash of the silliest sort.
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There have been many dozens of others of similar rank, scientific training and experience who have disclosed solid facts in sobering official testimony, articles, interviews etc. Write them all off as nutters, if you wish. It merely reveals your perspective to be the nutty one.
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Even Ocham's razor is on the side of those who accept UFO's and critters as real.
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You might consider decreasing your consumption of the oligarchy's Kool-Aid.
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Though it won't likely matter a great deal as they oligarchy is planning to change the recipe before too long, anyway.
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@Quix
Though it won't likely matter a great deal as they oligarchy is planning to change the recipe before too long, anyway.
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This year's science fiction is next year's tech toy, if not in full production.
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@Quix
This year's science fiction is next year's tech toy, if not in full production.
Plenty True. And probably more true than we guess.
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I think it comes down to one thing: there is no objective, supporting evidence ever presented by any of these "ufologists". Just the usual fanciful announcements, pseudo-science, and blurry, inconclusive photos. Until we have that, everything else is at best an entertaining fiction, and at worse a deliberate hoax.
I say this as one who believes that the mathematics of the universe make it likely that there are other intelligent species out there. But all these whackadoodles that Qix quotes aren't tapped into anything other than fancy and fraud. Dr. Michael Scalla? Please, this is some clown with a PhD in "Government".
I say this as one who believes that the mathematics of the universe make it likely that there are other intelligent species out there
One of the things that interest me is the nature of reality. There are a very many people in the world who are exactly like you in one respect. Pics or it didn't happen. Myself included, hard evidence that I can hold in my hands or it isn't "real". It doesn't become part of your reality until that happens. It covers all aspects of life. What makes a secret society a secret society? They hold some esoteric knowledge that they think sets them apart, or above, other people. Our own government operates, in many ways, and I would say that it is, a secret society.
It is the same for many religions. High priests, popes, shamans, etc., who have set themselves up as somehow more able to communicate with a higher power than any other person.
The same for monarchies. Power granted by self said same higher power to the "worthy" few.
The same for anything out there that sets itself up as being over anything else because of some closely held knowledge or information.
But that doesn't stop, in reality, anyone else from coming into that same knowledge.
Mathematics define a cetain (type) of reality.
If you believe in intelligent design, and you believe in yourself, then that lives a heck of a lot of room in between.
In my studies of spirituality, religion, the paranormal, history, and science, I can accept the existence and presence of ET's, spirits, entities, God, angels, demons, etc. I have researched it, thought about it, and reached my own conclusions. They are all part of my reality.
So, in that respect, you lack my knowledge, and therefore cannot accept my reality. I have respect for yours, but IMO, you simply lack knowledge. I, just a simply, disagree with your reality.
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THANKS for putting it much better & more charitably.
I say this as one who believes that the mathematics of the universe make it likely that there are other intelligent species out there
One of the things that interest me is the nature of reality. There are a very many people in the world who are exactly like you in one respect. Pics or it didn't happen. Myself included, hard evidence that I can hold in my hands or it isn't "real". It doesn't become part of your reality until that happens. It covers all aspects of life. What makes a secret society a secret society? They hold some esoteric knowledge that they think sets them apart, or above, other people. Our own government operates, in many ways, and I would say that it is, a secret society.
It is the same for many religions. High priests, popes, shamans, etc., who have set themselves up as somehow more able to communicate with a higher power than any other person.
The same for monarchies. Power granted by self said same higher power to the "worthy" few.
The same for anything out there that sets itself up as being over anything else because of some closely held knowledge or information.
But that doesn't stop, in reality, anyone else from coming into that same knowledge.
Mathematics define a cetain (type) of reality.
If you believe in intelligent design, and you believe in yourself, then that lives a heck of a lot of room in between.
In my studies of spirituality, religion, the paranormal, history, and science, I can accept the existence and presence of ET's, spirits, entities, God, angels, demons, etc. I have researched it, thought about it, and reached my own conclusions. They are all part of my reality.
So, in that respect, you lack my knowledge, and therefore cannot accept my reality. I have respect for yours, but IMO, you simply lack knowledge. I, just a simply, disagree with your reality.
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@Quix
@Smokin Joe
@bigheadfred
Thank you , gentlemen, for your kind replies. I have said elsewhere that I have by no means done any research on this topic, as mostly there's no way of telling if the info you're reading is from a nutter. It's not that I don't believe such critters exist as I have had my own "sighting", I just have a hard time believing that, what I imagine the number of people that must be 'in' on knowing about such things would be possible to keep them all quiet or discredit that many people, if the critters were meeting with heads of government.
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@Quix
@Smokin Joe
@bigheadfred
Thank you , gentlemen, for your kind replies. I have said elsewhere that I have by no means done any research on this topic, as mostly there's no way of telling if the info you're reading is from a nutter. It's not that I don't believe such critters exist as I have had my own "sighting", I just have a hard time believing that, what I imagine the number of people that must be 'in' on knowing about such things would be possible to keep them all quiet or discredit that many people, if the critters were meeting with heads of government.
One of the things I find interesting is when they talk about how the information is layered that transcends administrations, agencies, departments, etc. So there are presidents who have no direct knowledge of what is actually going on. I think you can believe that. A president that doesn't know what is going on. :laugh:
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Thanks for your kind reply. I think I didn't communicate very well or clearly.
1. Out of the thousands of people working in the super secret black UFO related projects, there HAVE BEEN, ARE many hundreds to a few thousands of whistleblowers who have NOT kept their secrecy oaths.
2. The oligarchy bought out the major media/news organizations in 1915 & 1917. Since then, they have deepened & broadened their reach.
3. They have also become much more refined, sophisticated, effective in their propagandizing the public toward the constructions on reality that render the public more controllable and vulnerable to manipulation in what the citizens do and in what they think.
4. That has been particularly effective in the RIDICULE strategy they have long ago implemented vis a vis the UFO stuff. They have made it inconsequential (mostly) that so many whistle blowers of such high and other ranks have 'spilled the beans.' The bulk of the public still thinks or at least pretends to think that it's all tin-foil hat bunk.
5. There are those in the know who assert that the strategy has been a very slow disclosure via 'hiding in plain sight' as well as being thickly involved in many block-buster movies about such topics etc. etc.
6. Such a disclosure is peppered enough with disinformation etc. that it contains a lot of 'plausible deniability' sorts of effects. If things get to hot or troublesome, they can pass it all of as a lot of nutty sci fi hogwash.
7. Nevertheless, there IS a huge degree of reality that HAS BEEN OUTTED. It is hard to draw clear boundaries as to what PRECISELY is true; what precisely is disinformation; where all the boundary lines are in the whole of "reality" as it is impacting us in this era.
8. My own belief, from studying it for 55 years, is that when the dust settles and everything is known, the most outlandish whistle-blower reports will turn out to have been very conservative compared to the true underlying realities.
9. Perhaps I could summarize by saying: Many officials and workers HAVE talked and ARE talking quite emphatically, accurately, factually more and more.
10. AND, evidently at least a major portion of the oligarchy has decided it is time to deliberately out major chunks of the facts for the public to become aware of in preparation for even more shocking events on the near horizon.
11. I believe it is emphatically clear to most well informed folks on the topic that heads of government--at least of the oligarchy HAVE been meeting with various "representatives" off various "races" of the UFO type critters for decades. I have 0.0% doubt of that.
@Quix
@Smokin Joe
@bigheadfred
Thank you , gentlemen, for your kind replies. I have said elsewhere that I have by no means done any research on this topic, as mostly there's no way of telling if the info you're reading is from a nutter. It's not that I don't believe such critters exist as I have had my own "sighting", I just have a hard time believing that, what I imagine the number of people that must be 'in' on knowing about such things would be possible to keep them all quiet or discredit that many people, if the critters were meeting with heads of government.
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One of the things I find interesting is when they talk about how the information is layered that transcends administrations, agencies, departments, etc. So there are presidents who have no direct knowledge of what is actually going on. I think you can believe that. A president that doesn't know what is going on. :laugh:
I agree.
That NEED TO KNOW criteria has been used ruthlessly, imho.
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I think you can believe that. A president that doesn't know what is going on. :laugh:
LOL. I have absolutely no trouble believing that! Been there, done that, got the t-shirt!
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@Quix What happened in 1915 and 1917?
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@Quix What happened in 1915 and 1917?
Me thinketh the CFR-Council on Foreign Relations, was started in 1915. Don't know what 1917 is. The Federal Reserve was, I think, 1914.
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@Quix What happened in 1915 and 1917?
The oligarchy bought out all the major newspaper organizations in those years.
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Me thinketh the CFR-Council on Foreign Relations, was started in 1915. Don't know what 1917 is. The Federal Reserve was, I think, 1914.
They bought out all the major newspaper organizations those years.
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An article @RoosGirl
http://www.endtimesdaily.com/articles-1/no-004-the-c-f-r-control-of-major-media-sources
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@Quix What happened in 1915 and 1917?
https://www.infowars.com/1917-j-p-morgan-bought-us-corporate-media-to-be-1%E2%80%99s-lying-sacks-of-spin/
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http://www.globalistagenda.org/quotes.htm
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The oligarchy bought out all the major newspaper organizations in those years.
Yes, what I wondered was if there was some impetus that made that happen in those years?
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Yes, what I wondered was if there was some impetus that made that happen in those years?
WWI.
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Yes, what I wondered was if there was some impetus that made that happen in those years?
I don't recall the history of those years. IIRC, the PTB in their routine deliberations decided it was time to do it and did it.
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An article @RoosGirl
http://www.endtimesdaily.com/articles-1/no-004-the-c-f-r-control-of-major-media-sources
The CFR wasn't formed until 1921 though.
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Me thinketh the CFR-Council on Foreign Relations, was started in 1915. Don't know what 1917 is. The Federal Reserve was, I think, 1914.
IIRC, 1917 began the push for the League of Nations in earnest, and the US entered the First World War.
A lot was going on in those days, 1913 saw the establishment of the Income Tax and Federal Reserve.
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Others who commented--some quite derisively--on another thread about such stuff:
@thackney
Please do not ping me to Alternate Realities threads or related topics.
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THANKS. That's a well done video, imho. Not quite finished with it. I enjoy a panel of diverse well studied folks discussing such things.
You have any others related to this thread?
Try this video. I follow some sacred geometry/archeoastronomy stuff. Not into the cult aspects except in opposition to the cults.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_9na0-mwA&t=9607s
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THANKS. That's a well done video, imho. Not quite finished with it. I enjoy a panel of diverse well studied folks discussing such things.
You have any others related to this thread?
I was listening to an interesting podcast last Saturday and now can't remember the name of the guy they were interviewing. I hate when that happens..
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@Quix http://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-ancient-technology/norimitsu-odachi-who-could-have-possibly-wielded-enormous-15th-century-021428 (http://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-ancient-technology/norimitsu-odachi-who-could-have-possibly-wielded-enormous-15th-century-021428)
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Please do not ping me to Alternate Realities threads or related topics.
Why? I'd love to be an ambassador to aliens!
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@Quix http://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-ancient-technology/norimitsu-odachi-who-could-have-possibly-wielded-enormous-15th-century-021428 (http://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-ancient-technology/norimitsu-odachi-who-could-have-possibly-wielded-enormous-15th-century-021428)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ab/75/6b/ab756b9c4d8ae51e2a0b2371d538a6b8.jpg
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This is in my queue. I might watch it tonight. Not really thread topic stuff though.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/t7EAlTcZFwY/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEWCMQBEG5IWvKriqkDCQgBFQAAiEIYAQ==&rs=AOn4CLAI2DvqRbptdW35dPnx_uEuUiz5LQ
I have been thinking about it and that podcast, may have been one from Unknown Country.
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https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ab/75/6b/ab756b9c4d8ae51e2a0b2371d538a6b8.jpg
Thanks for the links. That Japanese sword is something else.
There are those who contend that on group of Japanese are children of Jacob. I forget all the evidence but it was very interesting.
Clearly giants were in evidence all over the planet.
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Thanks for the links. That Japanese sword is something else.
There are those who contend that on group of Japanese are children of Jacob. I forget all the evidence but it was very interesting.
Clearly giants were in evidence all over the planet.
This wasn't built by the Japanese.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/19/13/82/191382fce65d85cb385b53a2f21e42c1.jpg)
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This wasn't built by the Japanese.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/19/13/82/191382fce65d85cb385b53a2f21e42c1.jpg)
Any guesses about what group/agents built it?
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Any guesses about what group/agents built it?
What was there before the flood? I think this was built preflood or early post-flood. Not by humans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYT2J4qYI0w
I think the quick rise of those early civilizations, Egyptians, Sumerians, etc. came at what was the right time according to a plan. And it was tried before that, to raise civilization, but it didn't take. The plan, as it has unfolded, is all based on deception. There were enclaves, places after the flood that retained knowledge, both human and nephilim, together. They jump start civilization but in the orgy of debasement it doesn't last. So they do it again. Ummm... I need to sit down and take the time to write this out. But the masons who built this have a plan, the Freemasons are part of the plan, the other secret societies. The major religious institutions are part of the plan. I'm going to say something that may make you scream, and a lot of other people. The Holy Roman Catholic Church is a pagan construct based on deception. All these things are part of the Great Deception. Like this video says. Satan has never been in hell. he walks the earth, seeing his plan come to fruition. And he is so close to the finish line now.
I'll ask again. If you set out to deceive the entire world, how would you do it?
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I know, right? A spot of sanity amid all that swirling chaos out there.
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WELL PUT, imho.
I was a long time coming to such conclusions . . . sort of drug there kicking & screaming by the evidence.
However, EXO-VATICANA, the books about THE BABYLON CODE and the othe one tracing things back to Babylon more extensively--plus a lot more--e.g. the DVD of primary source materials used researching the SUMMARY that is EXO-VATICANA (a 600 page summary) . . . I think your conclusions are inescapable to any fair-minded person who has done their homework significantly above average.
THANKS for the courage of your comments.
I essentially agree. . . . not sure about every detail of your perspective but . . . essentially.
Sigh.
What was there before the flood? I think this was built preflood or early post-flood. Not by humans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYT2J4qYI0w
I think the quick rise of those early civilizations, Egyptians, Sumerians, etc. came at what was the right time according to a plan. And it was tried before that, to raise civilization, but it didn't take. The plan, as it has unfolded, is all based on deception. There were enclaves, places after the flood that retained knowledge, both human and nephilim, together. They jump start civilization but in the orgy of debasement it doesn't last. So they do it again. Ummm... I need to sit down and take the time to write this out. But the masons who built this have a plan, the Freemasons are part of the plan, the other secret societies. The major religious institutions are part of the plan. I'm going to say something that may make you scream, and a lot of other people. The Holy Roman Catholic Church is a pagan construct based on deception. All these things are part of the Great Deception. Like this video says. Satan has never been in hell. he walks the earth, seeing his plan come to fruition. And he is so close to the finish line now.
I'll ask again. If you set out to deceive the entire world, how would you do it?
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I know, right? A spot of sanity amid all that swirling chaos out there.
I actually have some compassion for the terminally uninformed to utterly clueless naysayers hereon & on TOS.
The shock to their mental and emotional systems when all manner of exotic--thoroughly 'other' facts, proofs, demonstrations etc. straight from hell . . . the shock to their systems is going to be incredibly intense. The verse about "men's hearts failing them, for fear" comes to mind . . . And, it's hard to imagine how utterly stupid they will likely feel.
My housemate sometimes reminds me of the FR poster who commented once that if he were abducted, he'd ask the UFO to stop by my place so he could apologize. LOL.
I don't think an apology will be at the top of their priorities--and that's AFTER they clean themselves up from soiling themselves.
And, personally, I'd rather do without an apology and without the stuff falling out of the skies onto the nightly news and impacting likely far too horribly every citizen in America and on the planet.
God will protect and guide HIS OWN . . . but I doubt they will be unhindered by such events.
BTW, satan was in hell when I visited there supernaturally--sitting on a thrown at the end of a long hall--with almost a black green stonework in a room about as big as the Vatican St Peter's--which I have been to. I don't know if what I 'saw' or experienced was a metaphor or literal.
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BTW, satan was in hell when I visited there supernaturally--sitting on a thrown at the end of a long hall--with almost a black green stonework in a room about as big as the Vatican St Peter's--which I have been to. I don't know if what I 'saw' or experienced was a metaphor or literal.
What did he look like?
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This wasn't built by the Japanese.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/19/13/82/191382fce65d85cb385b53a2f21e42c1.jpg)
What is this? Where is this? I don't recall ever having seen pictures of such a thing.
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What did he look like?
I was only part way down that long expanse before Jesus brought me out.
He was conducting 'business' with critters coming and going as he sat on a dark throne . . . occasionally, he'd look up and taunt me.
I couldn't see features well at all.
Besides the horrendous feelings were what had my attention.
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What was there before the flood? I think this was built preflood or early post-flood. Not by humans.
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I'll ask again. If you set out to deceive the entire world, how would you do it?
That's all pretty close to the truth.
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I'll ask again. If you set out to deceive the entire world, how would you do it?
Cover my existence.
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What is this? Where is this? I don't recall ever having seen pictures of such a thing.
It is part of the Imperial Palace in Japan. Look at the construction. The way the stones were shaped and placed. Then look at the other stuff in countries all over the world.
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Cover my existence.
That is right. This is how you do it. You take a few of the people, the smarter ones. You tell them you are God. You tell them a story. It sounds believable, it is mostly the truth. You tell them they are special, chosen, better than anyone else. You show them some magic tricks and put on a display. You tell them a plan and offer up some rewards. Money, power, whatever they desire. Those people present the plan to the populace. It is mostly the truth. But for it to work they must follow along. "If you don't follow us you will live in hell for ETERNITY". So the top ones put on a show, some magic tricks. You can throw out some big magic tricks. Rally get the groups going. Tell the people they can have it all, too. Tell them they are special, chosen, better than anyone else. It isn't hard for them to believe it. Everyone wants an easy life.
Cover your existence. They'll all do it for you. And congratulate themselves for it. While you sit back watch the world tear itself apart. Civilizations die. Do it again. And again. And again. Yeah, sure, you have to work the program, too. But you don't have to be ever present present. There will be the ones that don't believe you. The ones that let the truth they were born with flow. They'll never let that flow be damned by you.
seeyaluvyabye
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That is right. This is how you do it. You take a few of the people, the smarter ones. You tell them you are God. You tell them a story. It sounds believable, it is mostly the truth. You tell them they are special, chosen, better than anyone else. You show them some magic tricks and put on a display. You tell them a plan and offer up some rewards. Money, power, whatever they desire. Those people present the plan to the populace. It is mostly the truth. But for it to work they must follow along. "If you don't follow us you will live in hell for ETERNITY". So the top ones put on a show, some magic tricks. You can throw out some big magic tricks. Rally get the groups going. Tell the people they can have it all, too. Tell them they are special, chosen, better than anyone else. It isn't hard for them to believe it. Everyone wants an easy life.
Cover your existence. They'll all do it for you. And congratulate themselves for it. While you sit back watch the world tear itself apart. Civilizations die. Do it again. And again. And again. Yeah, sure, you have to work the program, too. But you don't have to be ever present present. There will be the ones that don't believe you. The ones that let the truth they were born with flow. They'll never let that flow be damned by you.
seeyaluvyabye
That's right. That's what the Bible is for - to cut like a sword right through all the disinformation.
If it doesn't conform to Torah AND to the words of Yeshua, it is not true, or it doesn't matter, to include any organization that teaches a disparity between Torah and Yeshua.
Look to the pagan '7 sacred sciences' and their continuation into today's college curriculum and see.
Look at the progenitors of NASA using occult rituals to open portals and see.
Look at the occult rituals performed at CERN, and SEE.
Religion and science are intersecting, and not in a good way. And the confusion increases with each new scientific revelation.
But the Father is not the god of confusion.
I will shut up now... I don't mean to be religious, I mean this to be a bellwether that might counter the disinformation.
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It is part of the Imperial Palace in Japan. Look at the construction. The way the stones were shaped and placed. Then look at the other stuff in countries all over the world.
Do you think it not likely that that structure and similar were built with a knowledge we just no longer have? Seems like I read somewhere we've lost the knowledge to build tbe SR-71 Blackbird, and that's just within our lifetime, not thousands of years.
Maybe an easier example, try finding someone who really knows how to install drywall with a smooth finish. Or, even your own field of expertise, do you not see a time in the not too distant future that that become a skill that is lost?
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Maybe an easier example, try finding someone who really knows how to install drywall with a smooth finish.
:seeya:
The secret it to use an oil primer after your last sand, and skimcoat over that - thats how you get 'no seam lines'
But put me in plaster and I am an invalid. True story.
Most definitely they had tech we don't... they've machined and moved stones miles and miles, and then set them in upper courses, that we can't even move today.
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:seeya:
The secret it to use an oil primer after your last sand, and skimcoat over that - thats how you get 'no seam lines'
But put me in plaster and I am an invalid. True story.
Most definitely they had tech we don't... they've machined and moved stones miles and miles, and then set them in upper courses, that we can't even move today.
Fantastic! Next time I need work done around the house I will call you! Daddy and Granddaddy were master carpenters and were supers for a company that built many of the houses on Palm Beach. Unfortunately I was both too young and had no interest in learning such things when they were around to teach me.
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Great points.
Thanks.
BTW, I just put a link to a UFO vid of a TR3B from Russia just like the one I saw--on the pinned UFO COLLECTION thread.
That's right. That's what the Bible is for - to cut like a sword right through all the disinformation.
If it doesn't conform to Torah AND to the words of Yeshua, it is not true, or it doesn't matter, to include any organization that teaches a disparity between Torah and Yeshua.
Look to the pagan '7 sacred sciences' and their continuation into today's college curriculum and see.
Look at the progenitors of NASA using occult rituals to open portals and see.
Look at the occult rituals performed at CERN, and SEE.
Religion and science are intersecting, and not in a good way. And the confusion increases with each new scientific revelation.
But the Father is not the god of confusion.
I will shut up now... I don't mean to be religious, I mean this to be a bellwether that might counter the disinformation.
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Do you think it not likely that that structure and similar were built with a knowledge we just no longer have? Seems like I read somewhere we've lost the knowledge to build tbe SR-71 Blackbird, and that's just within our lifetime, not thousands of years.
Maybe an easier example, try finding someone who really knows how to install drywall with a smooth finish. Or, even your own field of expertise, do you not see a time in the not too distant future that that become a skill that is lost?
I take it by we, you mean the people of recorded history. The knowledge still exists in some forms, or the knowledge that still exists doen't necessarily contain the specifics as to how these places were constructed. There are ancient cultures, or civilizations that say these things were there when they got there. Some say they were built by the older gods. It isn't only the Bible that mentions giants. The American Indians talk about red-haired large statured cannibalistic people here. The wear on a lot of the megalithic stuff points to being far older than anything the anthropologists say people were capable of doing at the time they were built. Archaeological digs are shut down if they start finding things that don't fit the current Darwinian theory. They say "we" were hunter gatherers 10,000 years ago, but look at the age of Gobekli Tepe. And I think they are only dating it by the age of the material it was INTENTIONALLY buried in.
They can't date stone. No one has any idea how these stones were cut ,shaped, moved and put into place. People are shouted down and their careers destroyed by the mainstream academia, intelligentsia for saying or showing things out of the party line. Artifacts disappear. Highly respected main stream professional people actually have been caught or admitted to destroying artifacts. That includes painting over, or covering in some manner, depictions that fall out of, again, what the mainstream says is the truth.
They insist on Darwinian evolution. They have no hard evidence to prove it. It is still only a theory. There is evidence that points to something else. Something they don't want us to know about. Why?
What if there are texts, hidden by certain societies, secret societies, that tell a much better story of our history. What is in the Vatican? What do the other secret societies have? What if there are texts that greatly amplify the Bible? I think it would be in the interest of certain of these groups to keep it to themselves. Because it would lay bare their lies and deception. Everything is about control.
I don't know what your religious beliefs are. Aaaannnd I don't care, that is up to you. But say there was an ancient civilization of people and a different race coexisting(or not) 12,000 years ago. One that is far older than that. 12,000 years ago the planet gets hit by a comet, or an asteroid. Or a series of them. It causes the ice age to end--a global flood. The devastation is so severe it wipes out most of everything that as here. Some people survive. They try to rebuild. But there arent enough of them to accomplish much. Perhaps the ones who are left don't have the combined skill set to rebuild much. The people who were picking the cotton may have been the ones least likely to survive the tremendous devastation. So now there is no one who knows how to pick the cotton. They don't even know how to grow it. And their civilization dies out. But the knowledge they do have they hand down. And the world slowly rebuilds itself. Drags itself out of the mud. There comes a point in the new civilizations where some of the handed down knowledge becomes relevant. People have again learned how to plant the cotton, grow the cotton, pick the cotton, and process the cotton. People with the old knowledge show up and say Hey look, we can build a machine that will process the cotton. Another that will make things out of that cotton. And Bang! Instant "civilizaton". There is evidence to something like that happeninng in a sense. Do you understand what I mean? The tales of the "Atlantean" survivors.
This subject, its truth, is the same for me as the subject of UFOs. I wonder, in the 4.5 billion year history that there weren't other people here. A long time ago. Way before anything, or anyone, I am talking about now. They developed technology to a point they could reach the stars. Then something happened, maybe an asteroid strike, or war, wiped things out. They come back to find everything gone, or they know it is gone and don't come back until later. Just to check. Or they help out, or are merely in contact with the new people. Then disaster strikes again.
Now maybe they are coming back again. Us visiting us. But the place has so far gone to Hell they really don't want to have anything to do with us.
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Fantastic! Next time I need work done around the house I will call you! Daddy and Granddaddy were master carpenters and were supers for a company that built many of the houses on Palm Beach. Unfortunately I was both too young and had no interest in learning such things when they were around to teach me.
I work cheap... just keep on pumpin out sweet tea and guuuud southern cookin, find me a barn to sleep in, and I'll be fine. But the travel time is a killer :)
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I take it by we, you mean the people of recorded history. The knowledge still exists in some forms, or the knowledge that still exists doen't necessarily contain the specifics as to how these places were constructed. There are ancient cultures, or civilizations that say these things were there when they got there. Some say they were built by the older gods. It isn't only the Bible that mentions giants. The American Indians talk about red-haired large statured cannibalistic people here. The wear on a lot of the megalithic stuff points to being far older than anything the anthropologists say people were capable of doing at the time they were built. Archaeological digs are shut down if they start finding things that don't fit the current Darwinian theory. They say "we" were hunter gatherers 10,000 years ago, but look at the age of Gobekli Tepe. And I think they are only dating it by the age of the material it was INTENTIONALLY buried in.
They can't date stone. No one has any idea how these stones were cut ,shaped, moved and put into place. People are shouted down and their careers destroyed by the mainstream academia, intelligentsia for saying or showing things out of the party line. Artifacts disappear. Highly respected main stream professional people actually have been caught or admitted to destroying artifacts. That includes painting over, or covering in some manner, depictions that fall out of, again, what the mainstream says is the truth.
They insist on Darwinian evolution. They have no hard evidence to prove it. It is still only a theory. There is evidence that points to something else. Something they don't want us to know about. Why?
What if there are texts, hidden by certain societies, secret societies, that tell a much better story of our history. What is in the Vatican? What do the other secret societies have? What if there are texts that greatly amplify the Bible? I think it would be in the interest of certain of these groups to keep it to themselves. Because it would lay bare their lies and deception. Everything is about control.
I don't know what your religious beliefs are. Aaaannnd I don't care, that is up to you. But say there was an ancient civilization of people and a different race coexisting(or not) 12,000 years ago. One that is far older than that. 12,000 years ago the planet gets hit by a comet, or an asteroid. Or a series of them. It causes the ice age to end--a global flood. The devastation is so severe it wipes out most of everything that as here. Some people survive. They try to rebuild. But there arent enough of them to accomplish much. Perhaps the ones who are left don't have the combined skill set to rebuild much. The people who were picking the cotton may have been the ones least likely to survive the tremendous devastation. So now there is no one who knows how to pick the cotton. They don't even know how to grow it. And their civilization dies out. But the knowledge they do have they hand down. And the world slowly rebuilds itself. Drags itself out of the mud. There comes a point in the new civilizations where some of the handed down knowledge becomes relevant. People have again learned how to plant the cotton, grow the cotton, pick the cotton, and process the cotton. People with the old knowledge show up and say Hey look, we can build a machine that will process the cotton. Another that will make things out of that cotton. And Bang! Instant "civilizaton". There is evidence to something like that happeninng in a sense. Do you understand what I mean? The tales of the "Atlantean" survivors.
This subject, its truth, is the same for me as the subject of UFOs. I wonder, in the 4.5 billion year history that there weren't other people here. A long time ago. Way before anything, or anyone, I am talking about now. They developed technology to a point they could reach the stars. Then something happened, maybe an asteroid strike, or war, wiped things out. They come back to find everything gone, or they know it is gone and don't come back until later. Just to check. Or they help out, or are merely in contact with the new people. Then disaster strikes again.
Now maybe they are coming back again. Us visiting us. But the place has so far gone to Hell they really don't want to have anything to do with us.
Haha, well, I got in trouble for saying this on another thread, but here goes again anyway... y'all think too much! :)
It doesn't affect my religious beliefs one way or the other if what you describe turns out to be exactly as it happened or not. I believe the Bible is God's word. As far as I know he never lays out dates of when anything he describes, from the beginning of time, happened. So something gets found that doesn't fit in with whatever the current "theory" is has no effect on my beliefs. Someone shows up from a different planet, has no effect on my beliefs. Well, that may not be entirely correct, I think it would actually be more "proof" of created life than big bang life. So I don't worry about such discoveries other than I think there's a cool factor to it all. I have an idea that when God created Earth he put things (like dinosaur bones) in certain places just to mess with us; a test of faith so to speak, and because you know he has a good sense of humor based on how he designed certain portions of our anatomy and body functions.
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If I happened to be a sentient species on a distant planet, noting the 'disturbance in the force', if you will, having the ability to travel galactic distances, and thus the ability to discern planets capable of producing and even containing life, that would narrow down the search area, and who to check on ever few hundred or thousand Earth years. However, once the transition had been made form what we know as Newtonian physics to Einsteinian physics, the interest level would go up. Earth orbit capability and programs as 'primitive' as the V-2 would signal an interest in exploring off planet, so the interest level would go up considerable.
Yet with technology that advanced, you wouldn't have stealth technology that we had decades ago?
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There are ancient cultures, or civilizations that say these things were there when they got there. Some say they were built by the older gods. It isn't only the Bible that mentions giants. The American Indians talk about red-haired large statured cannibalistic people here. The wear on a lot of the megalithic stuff points to being far older than anything the anthropologists say people were capable of doing at the time they were built.
I would HIGHLY recommend Genesis 6 Conspiracy (http://genesis6conspiracy.com/) by Gary Wayne... His 800 page tome is exhaustively referenced and notated, and comes very close to telling the tale.
I am a comparative religion kind of guy, and in my studies, long ago realized that there is one story being told, from two (and only two) perspectives. One divine and one profane. There is likewise only One history, in two perspectives. Gary Wayne's magnificent work tells the tale from both perspectives... From Atlantis, through the Flood, From the fallen angel 'gods' and their
titan' offspring (be they egyptian, greek, celtic, or mayan), through the two major occultic bloodlines, both faery and dragon, in every culture around the world, through masonic occultism, and secret societies, all the way on up to today.
And he's all over YouTube, if you care to watch/listen more than read...
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Yet with technology that advanced, you wouldn't have stealth technology that we had decades ago?
Maybe what we see are the kids out for a joyride.
I was watching a vid the other day that was showing ufos that were only visible to an infrared camera.
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I would HIGHLY recommend Genesis 6 Conspiracy (http://genesis6conspiracy.com/) by Gary Wayne... His 800 page tome is exhaustively referenced and notated, and comes very close to telling the tale.
I am a comparative religion kind of guy, and in my studies, long ago realized that there is one story being told, from two (and only two) perspectives. One divine and one profane. There is likewise only One history, in two perspectives. Gary Wayne's magnificent work tells the tale from both perspectives... From Atlantis, through the Flood, From the fallen angel 'gods' and their
titan' offspring (be they egyptian, greek, celtic, or mayan), through the two major occultic bloodlines, both faery and dragon, in every culture around the world, through masonic occultism, and secret societies, all the way on up to today.
And he's all over YouTube, if you care to watch/listen more than read...
Interesting. That video was on my recommended list a couple of days go. But I was headed for sleep and didn't watch it. But I will now. Thanks. I'll see where the e-book is available, too.
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Yet with technology that advanced, you wouldn't have stealth technology that we had decades ago?
Oh, as an interested species? I might have stealth beyond what we can detect, certainly. But how will the creatures on the planet know I'm paying attention if I don't let them see me? For all we know, the sightings might just be target drones, probing for a reaction (those which are actual craft from elsewhere, wherever that filter leaves us).
For all we know, there is a mothership out there that's huge and completely invisible to us (why the little fast ones just disappear from time to time).
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I believe the Bible is God's word. As far as I know he never lays out dates of when anything he describes, from the beginning of time, happened.
Not true. Study the feasts and particularly the Jubilees and study the prophets. There can only, literally, be 6000 years since Creation, or the Bible is wrong and should be discarded.
The 'Old Earth Creation' nonsense putting billions of years into Genesis 1:2 is sheer folly, meant to conform to science, when folks should be believing YHWH in the first place.
Folks are looking forward to a great deception that has already been ongoing for thousands of years.
A deception so great and so bold that even the elect might be fooled, if it were possible. We're already standing in the middle of it. Frog in the pot.
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Oh, as an interested species? I might have stealth beyond what we can detect, certainly. But how will the creatures on the planet know I'm paying attention if I don't let them see me? For all we know, the sightings might just be target drones, probing for a reaction (those which are actual craft from elsewhere, wherever that filter leaves us).
For all we know, there is a mothership out there that's huge and completely invisible to us (why the little fast ones just disappear from time to time).
There ARE planet sized ships out there if you watch the right YT vid. You have seen this one before. But it is worth a replay. ^-^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ7RaOMHb5I
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Interesting. That video was on my recommended list a couple of days go. But I was headed for sleep and didn't watch it. But I will now. Thanks. I'll see where the e-book is available, too.
They are all good vids, but that first one is probably the most encompassing
https://youtu.be/gmmfmCdqzbQ
If you are only going to watch one, that's it.
But the subject matter is so huge that it takes a long while to explain the entire narrative in minutia.
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Not true. Study the feasts and particularly the Jubilees and study the prophets. There can only, literally, be 6000 years since Creation, or the Bible is wrong and should be discarded.
The 'Old Earth Creation' nonsense putting billions of years into Genesis 1:2 is sheer folly, meant to conform to science, when folks should be believing YHWH in the first place.
Folks are looking forward to a great deception that has already been ongoing for thousands of years.
A deception so great and so bold that even the elect might be fooled, if it were possible. We're already standing in the middle of it. Frog in the pot.
Thank you, I will look into that. I admit that I haven't delved in as much as I probably should have. But, again, one way or the other it doesn't change what I believe about God creating me and Jesus saving me. Like I said, I've always had a sneaking idea that God placed things within the earth to tease us or test us as "we" became scientifically too smart to believe in Him.
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Thank you, I will look into that. I admit that I haven't delved in as much as I probably should have.
Don't let it get you down. From our conversations elsewhere, I understand you to be more grounded in the Book than most Christians - But most Christians, quite honestly, seldom go beyond the Gospels and Paul... very much a mistake.
I have become a Christian Messianic precisely because of the prophecy - My penchant for the prophets inherently requires understanding of Torah in order to understand the prophets, and in that (understanding Torah) one comes to understand that all of Torah is prophetic too, especially the feasts. Understanding that causes the Scriptures to blossom like nothing I have ever experienced.
I won't bore you with the details, as to do so would take buckets of sweet tea, and years of porch time... but in the end, it all suddenly clicks together in the most amazing way.
But, again, one way or the other it doesn't change what I believe about God creating me and Jesus saving me. Like I said, I've always had a sneaking idea that God placed things within the earth to tease us or test us as "we" became scientifically too smart to believe in Him.
I don't think so. I think it is all evidence... it is more about whose interpretation you believe wrt that evidence. Look into the '7 sacred sciences' and where they purport to come from, and who has guided and nursed them through the ages... and then you merely have to guess at who the wizards and sorcerers are in this age - Men of worldly wisdom in strange robes with pocket protectors, uttering arcane sentences in a language few can understand... :whistle:
There were dragons. Serpents. History is replete with them. Many of them died in the flood, aberrations caused by the fallen ones, which caused the whole of creation to be corrupted.
Understand: It was not just man that was corrupted, according to the Scriptures. ALL of it was corrupted.
Science may harrumph, but history (and the Bible) says otherwise. Which to believe, hmm?
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@roamer_1,
Thanks for your well-studied and interesting points.
I'm still not a believer in 6,000 year old earth. And, I don't really believe that The Bible asserts that.
For one, the Chinese have early Chinese texts from 7,000 years ago. Their historical documents have been fairly meticulously kept for millennia.
And, we do not know what the world was BEFORE it was "formless & void."
Anyway . . . there are more seriously important issues for our era.
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Oh, as an interested species? I might have stealth beyond what we can detect, certainly. But how will the creatures on the planet know I'm paying attention if I don't let them see me? For all we know, the sightings might just be target drones, probing for a reaction (those which are actual craft from elsewhere, wherever that filter leaves us).
For all we know, there is a mothership out there that's huge and completely invisible to us (why the little fast ones just disappear from time to time).
You're good at coming up with hypotheses (I honestly mean that). Good multiple working hypotheses.
But that's all they are, hypotheses.
And I think as we bolt on more assumptions of what "might be" to explain holes, Occam recedes over the horizon.
Yes, these things are possible. But likely? I don't think so.
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It would be fun to try to figure out where those impacts occurred and go hunting meteorites, though...the 'splatter' seems to have created the Carolina Bays, so it must have been a pretty intense hit, which would imply a lot of odd bits of rock laying about somewhere in Canada.
It's been demonstrated through luminescence, palynology, etc., that the Carolina Bays predate the Younger Dryas by a considerable amount.
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You're good at coming up with hypotheses (I honestly mean that). Good multiple working hypotheses.
But that's all they are, hypotheses.
And I think as we bolt on more assumptions of what "might be" to explain holes, Occam recedes over the horizon.
Yes, these things are possible. But likely? I don't think so.
What would you consider . . . out of the whole . . . UFO, critter, etc. alternate reality sphere . . .
to be the 3 least possible major hypotheses
vs
the 3 most possible major hypotheses?
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I'm still not a believer in 6,000 year old earth. And, I don't really believe that The Bible asserts that.
Well @Quix , We should have this out one day... Your porch or mine? :)
You are packing a whole lot of history into a single verse...
For one, the Chinese have early Chinese texts from 7,000 years ago. Their historical documents have been fairly meticulously kept for millennia.
And the first emperor was the son of a dragon mating with a human woman. You know what that means, so why should I believe anything further? :shrug:
And, we do not know what the world was BEFORE it was "formless & void."
right. here is formless and void:
(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/new-home-under-construction-19712781.jpg)
And that's all it need mean. There is enough 'house' there to know it is a house, but it really isn't a house yet, and it is utterly empty within. One CAN build all sorts of fancy theory and innuendo on top of it, but it isn't necessary, except in trying to conform to science.
Anyway . . . there are more seriously important issues for our era.
Yep.
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And the first emperor was the son of a dragon mating with a human woman. You know what that means, so why should I believe anything further? :shrug:
Wasn't that covered in the video you posted last night?
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Wasn't that covered in the video you posted last night?
I don't know. It has been a while since I watched that... but yeah, that sort of thing.
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@roamer_1,
One CAN build all sorts of fancy theory and innuendo on top of it, but it isn't necessary,
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imho,
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when Scripture is lacking in crystal clarity and specificity . . .
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That's mostly all that's left to build on . . . conjecture, biases, assumptions, implications, inferences . . .
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It appears to me that God deliberately left a host of things fuzzy . . . either because He wants us to major in majors and minor in minors . . . or for whatever other reason.
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Thankfully, FWIW, "we'll understand it better by and by."
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I don't know. It has been a while since I watched that... but yeah, that sort of thing.
It was talking about how the fallen angels (that had the shapes of serpents or dragons if I am remembering correctly) copulated with human women and that is where the giants possibly came from.
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You're good at coming up with hypotheses (I honestly mean that). Good multiple working hypotheses.
But that's all they are, hypotheses.
And I think as we bolt on more assumptions of what "might be" to explain holes, Occam recedes over the horizon.
Yes, these things are possible. But likely? I don't think so.
LOL! You're a geologist. Multiple working hypotheses are our stock in trade. Reality pares them down fast enough. Don't cut yourself on the razor! Geosynclinal theory was so much simpler than all those plates bumping and grinding...
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It's been demonstrated through luminescence, palynology, etc., that the Carolina Bays predate the Younger Dryas by a considerable amount.
That still does not preclude such an event causing the Carolina Bays, or the Younger Dryas. All you have to do for the latter is change the impact angle.
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It was talking about how the fallen angels (that had the shapes of serpents or dragons if I am remembering correctly) copulated with human women and that is where the giants possibly came from.
Well, right, that is the general gist of genesis 6... at least as it was historically viewed. Christianity largely adopted the 'Sethite view' around 400 AD - Augustine, IIRC, when analogy began to be all the rage. These are the two views:
Sons of God were angels who laid with women and spawned evil giants resulting in men, and all creation being corrupted and the eventual flood.
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'Sons of God' are sons of Seth, who laid with 'daughters of men' who are daughters of Cain, and their spawn are a bunch of evil meanies.
The literal sense IS the former.
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@roamer_1,
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imho,
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when Scripture is lacking in crystal clarity and specificity . . .
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That's mostly all that's left to build on . . . conjecture, biases, assumptions, implications, inferences . . .
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It appears to me that God deliberately left a host of things fuzzy . . . either because He wants us to major in majors and minor in minors . . . or for whatever other reason.
I find the Word to be remarkably precise. Largely the 'fuzzy' comes in the interpretation, oft confused by traditions of men and normalcy bias. Note that I am not accusing you of that specifically... I fight it all the time myself. The hardest thing is to take the Word at it's word.
Go figger. :shrug:
Thankfully, FWIW, "we'll understand it better by and by."
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Sooner than later, fer sher. 888high58888
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Well, right, that is the general gist of genesis 6... at least as it was historically viewed. Christianity largely adopted the 'Sethite view' around 400 AD - Augustine, IIRC, when analogy began to be all the rage. These are the two views:
Sons of God were angels who laid with women and spawned evil giants resulting in men, and all creation being corrupted and the eventual flood.
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'Sons of God' are sons of Seth, who laid with 'daughters of men' who are daughters of Cain, and their spawn are a bunch of evil meanies.
The literal sense IS the former.
I only bring it up because you mentioned that the first emperor of Japan was claimed to be half dragon and I took it from your comment that you did not believe that could be true. Maybe I misunderstood.
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That still does not preclude such an event causing the Carolina Bays, or the Younger Dryas. All you have to do for the latter is change the impact angle.
That wouldn't explain the lack of shock PDFs.
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I only bring it up because you mentioned that the first emperor of Japan was claimed to be half dragon and I took it from your comment that you did not believe that could be true. Maybe I misunderstood.
No, I will take that claim on it's face. What that says to me is that his father was probably a fallen seraphim... Now that may not be altogether true, as pompous men will magnify themselves... But, it is straight through the profane line that the ordained right to rule is promoted... the 'divine' right of kings... So if he was not a direct son (a titan, for a form of distinction) I would largely accept his claim to lineage, in the least.
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That wouldn't explain the lack of shock PDFs.
You might not see those with ice chunks, just as you wouldn't find the impacting body (in the Bays). Impact causes fragmentation, melting and vaporization of the ice chunk, which melts and leaves the crater, elongated and parallel due to low angle impact, and with lower force because they aren't of exo-orbital origin, but rather followed suborbital trajectories from the ice sheet. The real 'villain' would be a more solid impacting body which hit the ice sheet and ejected the ice chunks form the sheet.
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For one, the Chinese have early Chinese texts from 7,000 years ago. Their historical documents have been fairly meticulously kept for millennia.
And btw, @Quix , As a point of order: I will cede to your superior knowledge wrt the far east, but it is my understanding that serious Chinese history begins with the Shang Dynasty c.1500 BC - Don't beat me with that date, it is mere recollection on my part. I understand that Xia was before that, though largely mythologized, and not a precise history. I would like a reference to sustain a 'meticulous' record prior to Shang, if that is what you claim.
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And btw, @Quix , As a point of order: I will cede to your superior knowledge wrt the far east, but it is my understanding that serious Chinese history begins with the Shang Dynasty c.1500 BC - Don't beat me with that date, it is mere recollection on my part. I understand that Xia was before that, though largely mythologized, and not a precise history. I would like a reference to sustain a 'meticulous' record prior to Shang, if that is what you claim.
OK. LOL.
Personal communications . . . Esteemed scholars & friends in Fuzhou, China abt 1987-1989
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RE turtle shell Chinese characters are the ones fairly clearly from 7,000 years ago--at least . . . earlier even than the Analects and historical volumes of their dynastic records . . . IIRC . . . their emperors liked to insure good record keeping--at least of their rule, conquests, achievements, culture.
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And, there's ceramics for each era, dynasty, ruler etc. that provide a rather seamless record back through the eons.
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However, beyond that, it's not a high enough priority for me to dig up more peer reviewed journal refs.
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You are quite welcome to believe what you wish on such scores.
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My belief is that the 6,000 year claims from purportedly the Biblical geneology verses . . . are made to sound more precise than the root words support. If I'm wrong about that . . . ok . . . willing to be wrong. There would still be some very mysterious contradictions in the evidence.
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I believe God will clear up all the seeming contradictions in due course. Not His priority currently.
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Now to go swim my laps.
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RE turtle shell Chinese characters are the ones fairly clearly from 7,000 years ago--at least . . . earlier even than the Analects and historical volumes of their dynastic records . . . IIRC . . . their emperors liked to insure good record keeping--at least of their rule, conquests, achievements, culture.
I have a passing familiarity with the oracle bones... Again, it is my understanding that these are late Shang Dynasty and forward... :shrug:
And, there's ceramics for each era, dynasty, ruler etc. that provide a rather seamless record back through the eons.
I accept that, I do. But to my knowledge, that goes back to Shang. I accept that the Xia Dynasty exists prior to Shang, but evidences, not to mention historical accounts and records are sketchy.
However, beyond that, it's not a high enough priority for me to dig up more peer reviewed journal refs.
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You are quite welcome to believe what you wish on such scores.
Oh, it ain't like that. I am not trying to tear you down... Just honest inquiry. Ancient history is my bag, and to my knowledge, everything is rather sparse before 1000 bc, and exponentially so the further back you go. that which legitimately accounts time prior to 2000bc is exceedingly rare - rare enough to be considered nil.
That is why your statement spared my interest.
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@roamer_1
I agree Scripture has tons of precise specificity in it.
But it is not 100% so.
I do love Chuck Missler's HIDDEN TREASURES OF THE BIBLE (youbue), which, sadly, he evidently largely lifted from someone else's work with questionable attribution, if any.
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THANKS BIG for your kind words & reply. I'd taken your stuff in that spirit on these points. I know you a bit and certainly love you as you are, anyway.
There were oracle bones on turtle shells of another era. However, IIRC, in the last 10-20 years, others were found that were far older. I forget all the dating techniques. I don't think it was all left to carbon dating.
Have you ever researched the Temple of Heaven in Beijing . . . and the ceremonies that went on annually there? Originally, they took place at the border near Fuzhou, IIRC. There's a lot in the Emperor's offering a sacrifice that sounds straight out of the Pentateuch. There were no idols allowed in the Temple of Heaven, BTW.
Sparse does not, however, necessarily mean lacking in a convincing train of significant records.
I have one of the better substantive histories on China. Will plan to check the first chapters again. As I recall, most of what I've read the last 30 years goes with 6,000 year history of China. However, after I read of the more recently found turtle shell oracle bone Chinese writing, I realized that all such volumes were out of date in terms of the earliest Chinese writing and civilization.
BTW, did you know that some UFO's are reported to have Chinese like characters in them; on them?
Then there's the whole issue of PRE-ADAMITE humans . . . Most of us have 2% or so Neanterthal and a lot of us have some Denosovan bits in our DNA. Curious.
I have a passing familiarity with the oracle bones... Again, it is my understanding that these are late Shang Dynasty and forward... :shrug:
I accept that, I do. But to my knowledge, that goes back to Shang. I accept that the Xia Dynasty exists prior to Shang, but evidences, not to mention historical accounts and records are sketchy.
Oh, it ain't like that. I am not trying to tear you down... Just honest inquiry. Ancient history is my bag, and to my knowledge, everything is rather sparse before 1000 bc, and exponentially so the further back you go. that which legitimately accounts time prior to 2000bc is exceedingly rare - rare enough to be considered nil.
That is why your statement spared my interest.
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Have you heard of Lloyd Pye? He has something he calls Intervention Theory. He also is the one who promoted the Starchild shull.
http://www.lloydpye.com/eykiw.htm
The 8 minute video at the bottom of the page is interesting. I've watched some of his longer videos.
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The Terra Papers
by Robert Morning Sky
is something you should have a look at.
He has a story for you.
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Vlad9vt youtube. I watch it for the megalithic stuff. He has videos of museum collections from forgotten cultures, too.
https://www.youtube.com/user/vlad9vt
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You might not see those with ice chunks, just as you wouldn't find the impacting body (in the Bays). Impact causes fragmentation, melting and vaporization of the ice chunk, which melts and leaves the crater, elongated and parallel due to low angle impact, and with lower force because they aren't of exo-orbital origin, but rather followed suborbital trajectories from the ice sheet. The real 'villain' would be a more solid impacting body which hit the ice sheet and ejected the ice chunks form the sheet.
Wouldn't the elongation be perpendicular to that, if a low-angle impact? Otherwise, are you proposing an impact to the northeast? If so, then why the distribution...wouldn't you expect ejecta to be more in a ring, rather than linear radial path (I understand that you might be saying that only coastal areas have the proper conditions to have preserved these "eroded impact sites", but still, I would think you could differentiate ejecta impacts by radius from the primary impact point -- and I don't know that such a pattern is present).
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Wouldn't the elongation be perpendicular to that, if a low-angle impact? Otherwise, are you proposing an impact to the northeast? If so, then why the distribution...wouldn't you expect ejecta to be more in a ring, rather than linear radial path (I understand that you might be saying that only coastal areas have the proper conditions to have preserved these "eroded impact sites", but still, I would think you could differentiate ejecta impacts by radius from the primary impact point -- and I don't know that such a pattern is present).
Elongation would be parallel to the path of travel. Now, this is just from many days spent skipping rocks into mud flats at low tide, but the lowest angle ones will skip off, as the angle gets higher they push up a bow wave of mud in front and make a teardrop shaped mark, usually with the pointy end toward their origin (in that case, me). Some will burrow into that bow wave and push up a ridge at the end they stop in.
Now, the killer part, is that any material not vaporized or melted by the impact would melt, anyway. If embedded, it would leave something similar to a kettle lake, only more ovoid.
Check this out.
http://cintos.org/SaginawManifold/Distal_Ejecta/CarolinaBays/ (http://cintos.org/SaginawManifold/Distal_Ejecta/CarolinaBays/)
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Now the only question is... are extra terrestrials influencing our elections surreptitiously? Inquiring minds want to know... :pondering:
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Now the only question is... are extra terrestrials influencing our elections surreptitiously? Inquiring minds want to know... :pondering:
if they were you think people would be russian to get that story out
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Now the only question is... are extra terrestrials influencing our elections surreptitiously? Inquiring minds want to know... :pondering:
If you believe You Tube, Putin is a reptilian and Hillary is a clone, so... yes?
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If you believe You Tube, Putin is a reptilian and Hillary is a clone, so... yes?
Valerie Jarrett always reminded me of a lizard--or at least a toad...
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Valerie Jarrett always reminded me of a lizard--or at least a toad...
How about let's not GROSSLY INSULT lizards & toads quite so much?
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How about let's not GROSSLY INSULT lizards & toads quite so much?
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How about let's not GROSSLY INSULT lizards & toads quite so much?
Can't help it. I keep looking for those sucker thingies on the end of her fingers...
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Can't help it. I keep looking for those sucker thingies on the end of her fingers...
LOLOLOL.
In think in Shrillery's case, the sucker things are all over her body--at least in some dimensional realities.
BTW,
Here's an interesting contention that the new Peru mummy has eggs discovered inside by X-Ray. Haven't signed into FB to see the video but sounds interesting.
https://www.facebook.com/CollectiveEvolutionPage/videos/vb.131929868907/10155436480103908/?type=2&theater
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LOLOLOL.
In think in Shrillery's case, the sucker things are all over her body--at least in some dimensional realities.
BTW,
Here's an interesting contention that the new Peru mummy has eggs discovered inside by X-Ray. Haven't signed into FB to see the video but sounds interesting.
https://www.facebook.com/CollectiveEvolutionPage/videos/vb.131929868907/10155436480103908/?type=2&theater
It does, but I don't facebook. They'll want me to sign up to see the vid and I won't.
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I watched it. There's not a lot of info. Nothing more in depth than just what @Quix stated in his post. Eggs supposedly found inside the mummy.
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I watched it. There's not a lot of info. Nothing more in depth than just what @Quix stated in his post. Eggs supposedly found inside the mummy.
Thanks. That was my impression.