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General Category => Sports/Entertainment/MSM/Social Media => Shooting Sports => Topic started by: Elderberry on April 06, 2021, 12:09:10 pm
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American Rifleman by B. Gil Horman - 4/1/2021
Semi-automatic pistols seem to be firmly entrenched as king in the defensive handgun market these days. They certainly do dominate, especially as the number of models designed for comfortable concealment continues to grow. Some folks may go so far as to say the defensive revolver has gone the way of the Dodo, but that would be an incorrect assumption. Wheelguns continue to have a quiet but loyal following among modern handgun owners—and for good reasons.
At the top of the list of reasons for recommending revolvers for personal protection is their simplicity of operation. In a self-defense situation, fine motor skills, memory and the ability to focus can go right out the window. Modern double-action revolvers lack the buttons and levers that can get in the way of bringing a handgun into action. Take aim and pull the trigger to fire, that's all there is to it.
Also, malfunction drills developed for handguns over the years were worked out for semi-autos, not revolvers. This is because the reliable function of a semi-auto is significantly influenced by ammunition selection. The action of the pistol is cycled by the energy released from a fired cartridge. If the pressure levels are not high enough, the pistol can jam. If the dimensions of the cartridge are off a bit, then the gun can fail to eject or have a spent case catch in the ejection port. If the cartridge is faulty, and does not fire, then the gun has to be cycled manually to resolve the problem. Semi-autos are also susceptible to "limp wristing," which is a jam induced by the shooter having too weak of a grip when firing the pistol.
Revolvers, on the other hand, do not rely on ammunition to operate the mechanism. Ammunition pressure levels are irrelevant for the most part, so a revolver can operate with a wide variety of mild, moderate and hot loads. This gives the added bonus of being able to change ammunition to suit a shooter's needs, such as boosting penetration for dangerous animals or reducing power for those who are sensitive to recoil. In some situations it may be useful to mix the types and power levels of cartridges loaded in your handgun. This is not a problem with a wheelgun.
More: https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2021/4/1/self-defense-revolvers-are-they-a-good-choice (https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2021/4/1/self-defense-revolvers-are-they-a-good-choice)
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Are you kidding me??????
They are THE original "point and click device".
Semi-autos are handy tools for very experienced shooters,but I NEVER recommend anything BUT a revolver for self-defense for new shooters.
Revolvers are a hell of a lot safer for newbies to own and carry,too. Newbies are ALWAYS fooling around with semi-autos,trying to remember if they left a round in the chamber or not,if the safety is on or not,etc,etc,etc.
Most,in a panic situation,will end up pulling the trigger on an empty chamber because they were afraid to leave a round in the chamber because it might go off and hurt them or a family member.
The ones that don't,almost inevitably end up having accidential discharges from doing ignorant stuff like taking the magazine out thinking it is unloaded because they forgot they chambered a round. Yes,some semi-autos DO have magazine disconnect that doesn't allow them to fire without the magazine being firmly inserted,but not all of them.
Once again,THINK REVOLVER.
BTW,I have a couple of VERY accurate and reliable 1911A1's in 45ACP that are tackdrivers,but for day to day use,I carry my 5 shot single-action only 44 Special with the 3 inch barrel.
I don't even carry any reloads for it because by the time I shoot it 5 times there will be loaded guns laying around on the ground their owners no longer have any use for.
After all,if you get confronted and threatened on the street,it ain't going to be the most recent incarnation of the Symbolize Liberation Army. It will be a couple of ignorant thug fools with guns that were stolen that they have probably never even shot.
Same thing with home invaders.
These people are NOT professional hit men who have spent a lot of time at the range or who have been in gunfights were the other side fires back. They are thugs and fools , and are more likely to dump a load in their pants than to charge at you while aiming and shooting.
Drop the first one or two coming at you ,and the rest will hear their mamas calling them home for lunch.
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Short answer: "Yes!"
Long answer: "Yes, please!"
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Another advantage of a revolver is that if you're in a situation where you and the dirt bag are tussling and you manage to get to your gun to shoot him...you can have the revolver right up against the perps body and it will fire...with a semi auto you try and pull of what is basically a contact shot and you run the risk of the bad buys body pushing the slide slightly backwards and taking it out of battery.
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Another advantage of a revolver is that if you're in a situation where you and the dirt bag are tussling and you manage to get to your gun to shoot him...you can have the revolver right up against the perps body and it will fire...with a semi auto you try and pull of what is basically a contact shot and you run the risk of the bad buys body pushing the slide slightly backwards and taking it out of battery.
That sounds like what happened to George Zimmerman. The muzzle was tight to Trayvon Martin's chest, and that interfered with the action, jamming the weapon.
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On a revolver, if it hasn't been cocked, a hand gripping the cylinder, to prevent it from rotating, will prevent the revolver from firing.
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That sounds like what happened to George Zimmerman. The muzzle was tight to Trayvon Martin's chest, and that interfered with the action, jamming the weapon.
Honor Defense makes a 9mm with a small extension on the front called IIRC the FIST and it prevents the slide from getting pushed back in up close shooting situations. But they've been the only ones that I know of to do that with their pistols.
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On a revolver, if it hasn't been cocked, a hand gripping the cylinder, to prevent it from rotating, will prevent the revolver from firing.
@Elderberry
Interesting theory,which totally ignores the leverage your finger has on the trigger,and the effects of adrenaline.
Granted,your attacker will also have the adrenaline pumping,but this is all theory.
The same effect can be had if you attacker grabs the slide and puts your auto-loader out of battery.
I suppose this MIGHT have happened in real-life,but the only times I know of were in fictional books or movies.
And......,there really is no excuse for allowing your attacker to get that close. If you aren't willing to shoot,you shouldn't be carrying a gun to start with.
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On a revolver, if it hasn't been cocked, a hand gripping the cylinder, to prevent it from rotating, will prevent the revolver from firing.
Is that like sticking a finger in the muzzle?
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Is that like sticking a finger in the muzzle?
Sure! On one of these:
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Sure! On one of these:
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Wife carries one (snub nose 38 special). I can't hit the broad side of a barn with it past 10 yards, but I wouldn't want to be the person I was aiming at, at that range.
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Another advantage of a revolver is that if you're in a situation where you and the dirt bag are tussling and you manage to get to your gun to shoot him...you can have the revolver right up against the perps body and it will fire...with a semi auto you try and pull of what is basically a contact shot and you run the risk of the bad buys body pushing the slide slightly backwards and taking it out of battery.
Good point!
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Wife carries one (snub nose 38 special). I can't hit the broad side of a barn with it past 10 yards, but I wouldn't want to be the person I was aiming at, at that range.
I just love my 3" bbl. Chief's Special. I could regularly hit an oil can with it out to 75 yds. My eyes just ain't that good anymore.
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Wife carries one (snub nose 38 special). I can't hit the broad side of a barn with it past 10 yards, but I wouldn't want to be the person I was aiming at, at that range.
@Sighlass
I don't see that as a deal-killer. They are not intended to be long range weapons,and if an attacker is more than 10 yards from you,he or she is not much of a threat.
MY philosophy is to let them get close enough you can't miss. Saves ammo as well as stress.
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I just love my 3" bbl. Chief's Special. I could regularly hit an oil can with it out to 75 yds. My eyes just ain't that good anymore.
@Elderberry
In MY opinion the big thing with a snubby,other than quality,of course,is bullet selection. You MUST try several different bullet designs and charges in it to find out which is the most accurate.
It also helps if you forget all about that "magnum power" BullBush and focus entirely on heavy flat-nosed SOFT LEAD bullets like wad cutters. Forget all about "magnum power" and "hollowpoints". You aren't going to get enough velocity out of a snubby for them to be issues. Focus on reasonable accuracy and maximum impact instead.
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@Elderberry
In MY opinion the big thing with a snubby,other than quality,of course,is bullet selection. You MUST try several different bullet designs and charges in it to find out which is the most accurate.
It also helps if you forget all about that "magnum power" BullBush and focus entirely on heavy flat-nosed SOFT LEAD bullets like wad cutters. Forget all about "magnum power" and "hollowpoints". You aren't going to get enough velocity out of a snubby for them to be issues. Focus on reasonable accuracy and maximum impact instead.
Believe it or not, the best bullets accuracy wise I've used in my .38 spcl with a 2 inch barrel are some 148gr wadcutters.
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Believe it or not, the best bullets accuracy wise I've used in my .38 spcl with a 2 inch barrel are some 148gr wadcutters.
@txradioguy
Since that is MY choice for 38 Special snubbies,I have a hard time arguing with it. The softer the better.
I shoot 200 grain bullets in my 44 Special with the 3 inch barrel. Not being a sporting man by nature,I no longer own a 38 snubby.
I hope no one gets the wrong message from the above.
A 38 snubby in your pocket beats the HELL out of the full-auto AK you have hidden at home in your closet.
Preferably one that is double-action only and has no hammer spur or rear sights to snag on something when you need it the most.
Yes,you CAN bob the hammer spur on a double action piece,but being the cautious type when it comes to self-defense,I STRONGLY recommend you have a competent gunsmith "smooth up" your action inside to made sure there is no drag because a bobbed hammer WILL NOT hit the primer as hard as a hammer that hasn't been bobbed and is heavier.
This is,generally-speaking,not a big problem because it would be a rare event for a bobbed hammer to not hit a primer hard enough to detonate it,but you don't really want to be the exception that proves the rule,do you?
Besides,a smooth action makes it a LOT easier to hit what you are shooting . Just make damn sure he or she understands you do NOT want any lighter or bobbed springs,and ALL the smoothness comes from stoning and hand fitting. I am as serious as a heart attack about this one.
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Believe it or not, the best bullets accuracy wise I've used in my .38 spcl with a 2 inch barrel are some 148gr wadcutters.
I absolutely believe it. I've shot thousands of the Speer 148 gr hbwc bullets.
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The other bullet I shot thousands of was the lyman 358429 170gr Keith
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I absolutely believe it. I've shot thousands of the Speer 148 gr hbwc bullets.
I always loaded mine backwards. I was/am more interested in shock and expansion that accuracy with self-defense loads.
Also,I always loaded them over some pretty stiff "Unique" powder loads,and was a little concerned with over-penetration at living room distances.
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I loaded most all of mine for target practice with only 3.2 gr of Bullseye.
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A few years ago I bought a whole mess of .38 wadcutters that were on sale. :shrug:
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A few years ago I bought a whole mess of .38 wadcutters that were on sale. :shrug:
@Cyber Liberty
Me,too. I operate on the theory that if it doesn't eat anything and there is no danger of it spoiling,buy it in bulk when the price is right and you can spare the expense.
I probably still have a couple of boxes left unopened in storage.
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Never owned a revolver and it's very likely that I never will.
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Never owned a revolver and it's very likely that I never will.
@Bigun
OK.
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A few years ago I bought a whole mess of .38 wadcutters that were on sale. :shrug:
I wish I had some of those now! Both my sister and husband shoot the .38.
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When I took my 3 -day concealed course I used a Rossi 38 revolver ; it was darn accurate. I scored a perfect 10 out of 10. The instructor and the men in the class were amazed.
I wound up trading it in though because it kept jamming on me when we went target practicing.
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When I took my 3 -day concealed course I used a Rossi 38 revolver ; it was darn accurate. I scored a perfect 10 out of 10. The instructor and the men in the class were amazed.
I wound up trading it in though because it kept jamming on me when we went target practicing.
@libertybele
I have to admit that I have NEVER heard of a revolver jamming.
Not even once.
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@libertybele
I have to admit that I have NEVER heard of a revolver jamming.
Not even once.
I also have a Rossi 38 that I picked up in a Pawn shop. I was going to let my daughter use it, but my son discovered that occasionally it would not properly rotate the chamber. I just set it aside. I haven't tore it down to see what gives. Maybe worn pawl or ratchet.
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I also have a Rossi 38 that I picked up in a Pawn shop. I was going to let my daughter use it, but my son discovered that occasionally it would not properly rotate the chamber. I just set it aside. I haven't tore it down to see what gives. Maybe worn pawl or ratchet.
@Elderberry
I am thinking that MAYBE there is some foreign matter jammed up inside. Se,ems to me if it were mechanical,it would jam every time you tried to cock it.
But truthfully,this thread is the only place I have ever heard of revolvers jamming to the point where the cylinders wouldn't turn. Take a quick look at the shell ejection spur and see if it shows any sign of damage.
Is the gap in the cylinder crane tight and even when the cylinder is closed?
Try cocking it and then pulling the trigger on empty cases over and over how smooth the rotation and "feel" are while cocking the hammer.
This should give you a good idea of what to suspect when you pull the side plate.
BTW,my 44 Special snub gun is a Rossi,and I have never had an instant of trouble with it. Since I am a qualified gunsmith (or was back then,anyway) my plan before even buying it was to pull the side plate and "slick it up",but it was so smooth right out of the box that it didn't need it. To this day all I have ever done to it was clean it,shoot it,and carry it.
Another possibility just occurred to me. There is a chance the quality control at Rossi went all to hell when Taurus bought them out to eliminate competition,and the last couple of batches of Rossi firearms sold didn't go through the quality checks of the earlier ones due to the pressure of "get them out of here so we can balance the books and close up the shop."
After all,when the company is going out of business and you are losing your jobs because a larger company bought you out and have their own workers,there is not much incentive to do your best to produce a quality product,is there?
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@libertybele
I have to admit that I have NEVER heard of a revolver jamming.
Not even once.
Happened only once to me...with my wife's SP101 .357 mag.
It was the ammo though. We bought Russian made Geco .357 because it was $10 for a box of 50.
Found out later that Geco doesn't adhere to SAMMI standards and that they are very hot rounds.
My wife was on her third round of it when the "bang" was a little louder than normal...the cylinder wouldn't cycle. I actually thought the gun was ruined.
Gave it a minute and was able to get the cylinder open...the primer had blown completely out of the round that caused the malfunction.
Had the gun checked. It was fine. Gave the rest of the box of that ammo to the Range officer and asked him to dispose of it for us.
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Happened only once to me...with my wife's SP101 .357 mag.
It was the ammo though. We bought Russian made Geco .357 because it was $10 for a box of 50.
Found out later that Geco doesn't adhere to SAMMI standards and that they are very hot rounds.
My wife was on her third round of it when the "bang" was a little louder than normal...the cylinder wouldn't cycle. I actually thought the gun was ruined.
Gave it a minute and was able to get the cylinder open...the primer had blown completely out of the round that caused the malfunction.
Had the gun checked. It was fine. Gave the rest of the box of that ammo to the Range officer and asked him to dispose of it for us.
@txradioguy
Smart move!
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@sneakypete
It didn't happen to me. And I just took a look at it and it's still not doing it for me. My son may just be super critical when it comes to the firearm that his little sister is going to depend on. It may have been some foreign object from her purse that caused it. I gave her a S&W Mod 36 to replace it.
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I was out shooting with a Navy buddy and the cylinder on his Italian .32 Cap and Ball revolver's cylinder froze between chambers. Being too helpful, I took the gun, wrapped my hand around that stuck cylinder, and revolved it. When that cylinder locked on the next chamber, the gun fired and I had a black line across the palm of my hand of unburnt powder drove under my skin. The caps he was using were dragging on the breech. Another friend's gun, a Ruger cap and ball, had the opposite problem. The nipples were too short when screwed all the way in and it wouldn't fire on all the chambers. So I just lock-tited them so they all had the proper clearance for the caps.