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General Category => Sports/Entertainment/MSM/Social Media => Shooting Sports => Topic started by: txradioguy on March 19, 2017, 04:48:58 pm
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Many new shooters have never owned or fired a revolver, but the tried-and-true revolver still has a lot going for it — and a lot of life left in the tank if all the new versions being offered today are any indication.
Here are 10 reasons why you should consider adding one to your stable as soon as possible.
Revolvers have a style that’s retro-cool.
The double-action revolver defines reliability.
Nothing is smoother than a finely tuned revolver trigger.
Magnum: .327, .357, .41, .44, .460 and .500. Nothing else needs to be said.
The craftsmanship of a good revolver is some of the best mechanical engineering you may ever see.
Wheelguns connect us with our shooting history.
When introducing others to the sport, the simplicity of the revolver can be comforting to the novice shooter.
There are some competitions open to revolver shooters only.
Because of their craftsmanship and novelty, revolvers start conversations at the range.
It is a gun you don’t yet own.
http://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/10-reasons-to-own-revolver/#revolver-gbg-sw686
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11. There is no such thing as an automatic that NEVER jams.
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I often carry this in the summer, loaded with Hornady .38 Spcl. 158 gr. XTP hollow point rounds:
(http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2012/04/GAAP-100300-PH3-1.jpg)
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12. You don't have to search for your cases for reloading.
13. When reloading you don't have to worry if your light or heavy loads will cycle properly.
14. You can test for flinch by skipping a chamber.
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I often carry this in the summer, loaded with Hornady .38 Spcl. 158 gr. XTP hollow point rounds:
(http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2012/04/GAAP-100300-PH3-1.jpg)
@andy58-in-nh, where do you get the Hornady? I've had some trouble finding it.
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"Cool" is not and never should be a reason for owning.
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Here are 10 reasons why you should consider adding one to your stable as soon as possible.
It is a gun you don’t yet own.
Don't limit yourself to just double action revolvers.
(http://s768.photobucket.com/user/bwitty1/media/IMGP0193.jpg.html) (http://cdn0.wideopenspaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/799px-Colt_Navy_51_Squarebeck.jpg) (http://www.ruger.com/products/newModelSingleSixSingleNine/images/8150.jpg) (http://matebafan.com/mtr/photo1large.jpg) (http://megadeluxe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/dueling-pistols01.jpg) (http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/d/d5/Colt_4th_model_Lord_derringer.jpg/400px-Colt_4th_model_Lord_derringer.jpg)
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@andy58-in-nh, where do you get the Hornady? I've had some trouble finding it.
I can buy it at one of three local merchants here in southern New Hampshire. But you can also get their ammo here (https://www.cheaperthandirt.net/search.do?query=hornady&sku_instock_b=true&bullet_type=Full+Metal+Jacket|Hollow+Point&pp=30&sortby=bestMatchesDescend&cx=0).
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I can buy it at one of three local merchants here in southern New Hampshire. But you can also get their ammo here (https://www.cheaperthandirt.net/search.do?query=hornady&sku_instock_b=true&bullet_type=Full+Metal+Jacket|Hollow+Point&pp=30&sortby=bestMatchesDescend&cx=0).
Thanks!
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where do you get the Hornady? I've had some trouble finding it.
Using Gunbot you can sort by brand. http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/pistol/357mag/ (http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/pistol/357mag/)
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Reason 1: They are the original "point and click device". If everything goes well,they make 5 or more loud noises before the clicking starts.
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Using Gunbot you can sort by brand. http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/pistol/357mag/ (http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/pistol/357mag/)
Thanks, @Elderberry.
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Don't limit yourself to just double action revolvers.
My whole life I have depended on a Colt Single action army .45 (2nd gen) with three notable exceptions;
My first 45 auto, which was some sort of 1911 - I don't even remember the brand... I threw that one at a griz when it stove-piped, and up a tree I went. I traded that gun off the next week on another Peacemaker.
Recently, I went to a .44mag Taurus, which was fine, but hard to shoot one-handed... I'm getting older, and running ain't an option... so I was thinking toward more firepower.
And my current Rock Island 45 ACP 1911, finally willing to try semi-auto again... Mainly for compliance with my son, and the ability to duplicate ammo and parts...
It's a nice enough gun and all, but don;t be surprised if I go back to the Colt.
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I often carry this in the summer, loaded with Hornady .38 Spcl. 158 gr. XTP hollow point rounds:
(http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2012/04/GAAP-100300-PH3-1.jpg)
I have one very much like I use as a parka pocket gun in winter. If need be, I can shoot multiple times at close range (arm's length) right through my parka. No worries about smokestack jams and the like.
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My whole life I have depended on a Colt Single action army .45 (2nd gen) with three notable exceptions;
My first 45 auto, which was some sort of 1911 - I don't even remember the brand... I threw that one at a griz when it stove-piped, and up a tree I went. I traded that gun off the next week on another Peacemaker.
Recently, I went to a .44mag Taurus, which was fine, but hard to shoot one-handed... I'm getting older, and running ain't an option... so I was thinking toward more firepower.
And my current Rock Island 45 ACP 1911, finally willing to try semi-auto again... Mainly for compliance with my son, and the ability to duplicate ammo and parts...
It's a nice enough gun and all, but don;t be surprised if I go back to the Colt.
My woods sidearm has always been a Ruger Blackhawk 45 LC with the 4-5/8in bbl. I don't load it as hot as I used too. I used to sometimes get deformed headstamps. I've since backed off. I have utmost confidence in the weapon.
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11. You live in California, and revolvers are not yet impacted by capacity laws that effect the semi-autos.
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Belt fed weapons are underrated.
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Belt fed weapons are underrated.
Lakeside Guns 22LR Beltfed
(http://www.lakesideguns.com/webstuff/dpk6.jpg)
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Belt fed weapons are underrated.
@Cripplecreek
Not to me. I used to dream about having my own quad-50,unlimited amounts of ammo,barrels,and loaders,and unlimited amounts of hordes or screaming Chinese running up a hill at me with no cover.
Talk about waking up with an adrenaline rush!
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Belt fed weapons are underrated.
(http://i.imgur.com/c6P8XTP.jpg)
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@Cripplecreek
Not to me. I used to dream about having my own quad-50,unlimited amounts of ammo,barrels,and loaders,and unlimited amounts of hordes or screaming Chinese running up a hill at me with no cover.
Talk about waking up with an adrenaline rush!
Lightweight! (My Dad handled those with a .30--and lots of grenades)
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@Cripplecreek
Not to me. I used to dream about having my own quad-50,unlimited amounts of ammo,barrels,and loaders,and unlimited amounts of hordes or screaming Chinese running up a hill at me with no cover.
Talk about waking up with an adrenaline rush!
:laugh:
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Lightweight! (My Dad handled those with a .30--and lots of grenades)
@Smokin Joe
WHERE did I ever claim to be the sporting type?
And "Yes,I dearly loved grenades. Especially WP grenades. NOBODY runs through a cloud of WP to get at you."
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@Cripplecreek
Not to me. I used to dream about having my own quad-50,unlimited amounts of ammo,barrels,and loaders,and unlimited amounts of hordes or screaming Chinese running up a hill at me with no cover.
Talk about waking up with an adrenaline rush!
Reminds me of a not-so-memorable movie with a great final scene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNM7PmOkBxE
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@Smokin Joe
WHERE did I ever claim to be the sporting type?
And "Yes,I dearly loved grenades. Especially WP grenades. NOBODY runs through a cloud of WP to get at you."
LOL! All's fair if they are out to kill you. :patriot:
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IF, you're married and the wife isn't a gunner, Revolvers don't have a Safety catch.
If she needs it, so long as you've loaded it, . . .
No matter how intense the adrenaline rush its point and squeeze the trigger.
KISS.
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(http://i.imgur.com/c6P8XTP.jpg)
That's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
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@txradioguy
I own three revolvers, plus an armory of numerous kinds which I won't list. I also have, in excellent condition, a Springfield rifle of the civil war era. I also own a Ruger PINK 22LR rifle. Yes, it is PINK and it is mine.
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@txradioguy
I own three revolvers, plus an armory of numerous kinds which I won't list. I also have, in excellent condition, a Springfield rifle of the civil war era. I also own a Ruger PINK 22LR rifle. Yes, it is PINK and it is mine.
888high58888 on the armory. No pink here, though I think that it is neat you have one (just some greens and light browns).
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KISS.
I agree. It lowers the GFF considerably.
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@txradioguy
I own three revolvers, plus an armory of numerous kinds which I won't list. I also have, in excellent condition, a Springfield rifle of the civil war era. I also own a Ruger PINK 22LR rifle. Yes, it is PINK and it is mine.
My oldest daughter has a pink 10/22.
I'm off today so I'm going to go revolver shopping. I really want the RIA M206 .38 but I may end up with the Taurus .38. Seems all the dealers around here for in a shipment and they are selling them dirt cheap.
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My oldest daughter has a pink 10/22.
I'm off today so I'm going to go revolver shopping. I really want the RIA M206 .38 but I may end up with the Taurus .38. Seems all the dealers around here for in a shipment and they are selling them dirt cheap.
I sure like my Taurus.
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I sure like my Taurus.
Is it the Model 85?
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Is it the Model 85?
It is.
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It is.
Ok that makes me feel a little better about getting one.
Is it a pretty straight shooter?
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Ok that makes me feel a little better about getting one.
Is it a pretty straight shooter?
I repeatedly hit a small target from 25'.
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I repeatedly hit a small target from 25'.
Well looks like I just have to decide now if I want the nickel or the blued finish.
Thank you for the info.
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Well looks like I just have to decide now if I want the nickel or the blued finish.
Thank you for the info.
@txradioguy
Do yourself a favor and get one with a 3 inch barrel,a groove on the top strap for a rear sight, and a hammer shroud or bobbed hammer. Don't waste your money on 357 Mag snubbies. You will never get magnum velocities out of one,and you will end up shooting 38 Specials in a larger and heavier gun than a 38 Special.
The one below seems like a likely suspect if you insist on a Taurus pocket revolver. I personally wouldn't have one with a barrel shorter than 3 inches if you gave it to me,but everybody has their own ideas of what is good.
http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=843&category=Revolver&toggle=&breadcrumbseries= (http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=843&category=Revolver&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=)
If it were ME,I'd be looking at a Charter Arms 44 Special with a 3 inch barrel,or a used S&W snubbie with a steel,NOT alloy,frame,or a used Colt Detective Special. You can buy hammer shrouds to add to either. Stay away from alloy revolvers. I quit gunsmithing 20+ years ago so they might be better now,but back then it took no time at all to shoot enough shots at the range to destroy the cylinder timing. You only save a few ounces,so it's not worth the risk or the expense of having it corrected.
Yeah,Colt makes a modern version of the Detective Special,but they want 700 bucks for the damn thing.
Here are links to a couple of Charter Arms revolvers you might want to consider. I know nothing about the quality of current Charter Arms (or Colt or S&W AFATG) revolvers,but you can haunt a few web pages and find out what shooters are saying.
https://charterfirearms.com/collections/undercover/products/73811-undercover-stainless-dao (https://charterfirearms.com/collections/undercover/products/73811-undercover-stainless-dao)
And below is the 44 Special version. I ALWAYS prefer a 44 Special over a 38 Special. I am a big fan of big,heavy,slow bullets that don't exit for self defense.
https://charterfirearms.com/collections/bulldog/products/74410-bulldog-on-duty-ss-standard (https://charterfirearms.com/collections/bulldog/products/74410-bulldog-on-duty-ss-standard)
BTW,if you can find a almost new or unfired Rossi 721 44 Special,snatch that SOB up if you can afford it. That is the gun I have carried the most for the last 20 years or so,and I shoot the heads off of running snakes with it. So slick right out of the box new that I have never even bothered to pull the side plate to tune it up. I literally woudn't sell mine for $2000 unless I was absolutely positive I could buy another one that same day. Maybe not then. Unfortunately,Taurus bought out Rossi and quit manufacturing the Rossi 44 Special that was smaller and smoother than the 3 inch 44 Special they designed. I think I paid right at $210 for mine new,and it's stainless. :laugh:
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@txradioguy
Do yourself a favor and get one with a 3 inch barrel,a groove on the top strap for a rear sight, and a hammer shroud or bobbed hammer. Don't waste your money on 357 Mag snubbies. You will never get magnum velocities out of one,and you will end up shooting 38 Specials in a larger and heavier gun than a 38 Special.
The one below seems like a likely suspect if you insist on a Taurus pocket revolver. I personally wouldn't have one with a barrel shorter than 3 inches if you gave it to me,but everybody has their own ideas of what is good.
http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=843&category=Revolver&toggle=&breadcrumbseries= (http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=843&category=Revolver&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=)
If it were ME,I'd be looking at a Charter Arms 44 Special with a 3 inch barrel,or a used S&W snubbie with a steel,NOT alloy,frame,or a used Colt Detective Special. You can buy hammer shrouds to add to either. Stay away from alloy revolvers. I quit gunsmithing 20+ years ago so they might be better now,but back then it took no time at all to shoot enough shots at the range to destroy the cylinder timing. You only save a few ounces,so it's not worth the risk or the expense of having it corrected.
Yeah,Colt makes a modern version of the Detective Special,but they want 700 bucks for the damn thing.
Here are links to a couple of Charter Arms revolvers you might want to consider. I know nothing about the quality of current Charter Arms (or Colt or S&W AFATG) revolvers,but you can haunt a few web pages and find out what shooters are saying.
https://charterfirearms.com/collections/undercover/products/73811-undercover-stainless-dao (https://charterfirearms.com/collections/undercover/products/73811-undercover-stainless-dao)
And below is the 44 Special version. I ALWAYS prefer a 44 Special over a 38 Special. I am a big fan of big,heavy,slow bullets that don't exit for self defense.
https://charterfirearms.com/collections/bulldog/products/74410-bulldog-on-duty-ss-standard (https://charterfirearms.com/collections/bulldog/products/74410-bulldog-on-duty-ss-standard)
BTW,if you can find a almost new or unfired Rossi 721 44 Special,snatch that SOB up if you can afford it. That is the gun I have carried the most for the last 20 years or so,and I shoot the heads off of running snakes with it. So slick right out of the box new that I have never even bothered to pull the side plate to tune it up. I literally woudn't sell mine for $2000 unless I was absolutely positive I could buy another one that same day. Maybe not then. Unfortunately,Taurus bought out Rossi and quit manufacturing the Rossi 44 Special that was smaller and smoother than the 3 inch 44 Special they designed. I think I paid right at $210 for mine new,and it's stainless. :laugh:
:thumbsup:
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Revolvers are beautiful guns. My first time shooting a revolver was a .22. Silly me....I used my left hand to steady the gun and put it up by the cylinder. When it fired.....YIKES that smarted. Glad it wasn't a .357 or the such...would have left a mark, or one less finger.
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Revolvers are beautiful guns. My first time shooting a revolver was a .22. Silly me....I used my left hand to steady the gun and put it up by the cylinder. When it fired.....YIKES that smarted. Glad it wasn't a .357 or the such...would have left a mark, or one less finger.
@mrpotatohead
The cylinder timing was off and,the pawl or notch in the cylinder was worn,or the barrel gap was too large or that wouldn't have happened. Especially not in a 22. Lot of times that crap is caused by people playing "tv cop" or "tv cowboy" and spinning the cylinder rapidly while slamming it in place. NEVER press the cylinder release and "snap the cylinder open" and NEVER spin it and "slap it shut". Both disturb the cylinder lock and can bend the rod and damage the catch. Open the cylinder and lean the gun to the left and it will swing open all by itself. Close it gently,and most of these problems will never happen.
If the barrel/cylinder seem to have too much of a gap and you see evidence of powder on the outside of the barrel cone or cylinder,take it to a competent gunsmith and have him check and adjust the gap if necessary. This involves removing metal from the barrel shoulder and setting it back deeper a thread of two. How much depends on how much erosion there is on the forcing cone. He will need to set it back far enough to eliminate any erosion to the face of the forcing cone. Not real complicated,but it is something you will want a pro to do to make sure he takes it apart and puts it back together without springing the frame. Yes,it is a "special tools" job.
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My Ruger Single Six 22, when new, spit lead. It had a burr on the forcing cone. Once I took that burr off, it was one sweet shooting gun.
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@txradioguy
I own three revolvers, plus an armory of numerous kinds which I won't list. I also have, in excellent condition, a Springfield rifle of the civil war era. I also own a Ruger PINK 22LR rifle. Yes, it is PINK and it is mine.
One time some of us on a job site were talking about shooting and the guns we had when someone listening in asked disdainfully just how many guns did we need. I think we all answered at once with who said anything about needing? Myself, I have only two revolvers both .357 and both in six inch. My favorite to shoot is my Colt Trooper MkIII, older but rock solid and accurate. I do want to pick up a snub nose in .357 either hammerless or shrouded for pocket carry. I really miss going out to the desert to plink, here in California it's a long drive nowadays to go shooting in the outdoors, not like it was in the 70's and 80's 8black day
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11. There is no such thing as an automatic that NEVER jams.
Amen... No. 1 by far. I want to make sure that there is a 100.00% chance my fire arm does not misfire.
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someone listening in asked disdainfully just how many guns did we need. I think we all answered at once with who said anything about needing?
Shotgun for birds
Low caliber rifle for varmints
Scoped high powered rifle for distance (elk, sheep, goats, antelope)
High caliber carbine for brush (Deer, bear, moose)
High caliber sidearm for protection
Low caliber sidearm for trap dispatch
Sawed-off shotgun for home protection and short range varmint control
at least two medium caliber hidey-guns for protection
and at least two medium to high caliber pistols hidden in the home in case of surprise.
Those are needed.
The rest are actually superfluous with regard to day-to-day, or are variations of the above particular to specialty.
Here's a question for all y'all:
Let's say you were limited to TWO. Lets say you're dropped off in the middle of nowhere, a week away from anything, and could only pick TWO guns to get you home... WHICH?
I think I'd have to say 12ga pump shotgun with a variety of shells, and a long barreled 22 pistol.
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Revolvers are beautiful guns. My first time shooting a revolver was a .22. Silly me....I used my left hand to steady the gun and put it up by the cylinder. When it fired.....YIKES that smarted. Glad it wasn't a .357 or the such...would have left a mark, or one less finger.
I learned to shoot with a full sized 357 - shooting a .38 load. That was an awesome gun. Having said that I still prefer my semi auto. I recommend a revolver to my friends who have not had a lot of experience shooting - much simpler and not much to remember except which end to hold and which end is the loud one.
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Here's a question for all y'all:
Let's say you were limited to TWO. Lets say you're dropped off in the middle of nowhere, a week away from anything, and could only pick TWO guns to get you home... WHICH?
I think I'd have to say 12ga pump shotgun with a variety of shells, and a long barreled 22 pistol.
I could go with your choice. My 22 pistol would be my scoped 22 K-Hornet Contender.
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I could go with your choice. My 22 pistol would be my scoped 22 K-Hornet Contender.
It's a tough nut. I don't want to even think of being without my 45/70 in the sticks... But in reality, A 12 ga slug is more formidable, albeit at closer range, and it is also versatile, providing one has a selection of shells.
Likewise, I cringe at the thought of my .45 being absent - I honestly don't know if I could sleep, that pistol being always present beside my pillow... But I can bark a skwerl, or knock the eye out of a grouse or chink with a 22... Anything up to and probably including a deer is fair game for it... It is quite likely that even of the two, the 22 would wind up being the meat-getter.
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Here's a question for all y'all:
Let's say you were limited to TWO. Lets say you're dropped off in the middle of nowhere, a week away from anything, and could only pick TWO guns to get you home... WHICH?
I think I'd have to say 12ga pump shotgun with a variety of shells, and a long barreled 22 pistol.
No brainer. MAG 7 shotgun (both if I'm allowed them, got a twin rig that goes on my back) and a Sig 556.
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It's a tough nut. I don't want to even think of being without my 45/70 in the sticks... But in reality, A 12 ga slug is more formidable, albeit at closer range, and it is also versatile, providing one has a selection of shells.
Likewise, I cringe at the thought of my .45 being absent - I honestly don't know if I could sleep, that pistol being always present beside my pillow... But I can bark a skwerl, or knock the eye out of a grouse or chink with a 22... Anything up to and probably including a deer is fair game for it... It is quite likely that even of the two, the 22 would wind up being the meat-getter.
Okay, I'm going to be the oddball here and say two long guns: a .410 shotgun (I have dropped everything from squirrels to whitetail with one, that's mainly a question of ammo, and I could carry two boxes to every one for a 12 Ga.) and a scoped .30-06. If I have to trade the -06 in for a pistol, I'd take the super Blackhawk--if the round doesn't get them the muzzle flash will. :laugh:
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IF, you're married and the wife isn't a gunner, Revolvers don't have a Safety catch.
If she needs it, so long as you've loaded it, . . .
No matter how intense the adrenaline rush its point and squeeze the trigger.
KISS.
My son sent me money for my birthday for a personal weapon. He suggested a semi-automatic. My right hand is partially numb and I am not exactly young any longer. I bought a M&P Smith and Wesson Bodyguard with a laser sight. I think my son was disappointed until he saw how easily and accurately I could shoot it, how easy it is to clean, etc. I think they are perfect personal defense weapons for women who are not really into guns or have strength issues. I have absolute confidence I can put many holes in the right places if I need to defend myself. I am planning on getting my concealed carry.
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FN-FAL and a 22 revolver with a 6 to 8 inch barrel,quick attach pistol scope,target sights,target trigger,and target grips.
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Okay, I'm going to be the oddball here and say two long guns: a .410 shotgun (I have dropped everything from squirrels to whitetail with one, that's mainly a question of ammo, and I could carry two boxes to every one for a 12 Ga.) and a scoped .30-06. If I have to trade the -06 in for a pistol, I'd take the super Blackhawk--if the round doesn't get them the muzzle flash will. :laugh:
Now see, I thought of a .410... If I am not mistaken, That will take a .45 round too... Versatile. But, I chose the 12ga for the pump... And for the griz. :)
I guess I never defined the terrain... I guess you could get dropped in the wilds of Iowa.... But griz and moose are on my mind. :shrug:
And tween your blackhawk and my shotgun with slugs... Well, I know which one I would want along in a griz encounter. Well BOTH. But if I had it to choose...
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Now see, I thought of a .410... If I am not mistaken, That will take a .45 round too... Versatile. But, I chose the 12ga for the pump... And for the griz. :)
I guess I never defined the terrain... I guess you could get dropped in the wilds of Iowa.... But griz and moose are on my mind. :shrug:
@roamer_1
You are thinking "45 Long Colt",not "45 ACP". I know at least one handgun is sold that advertises both rounds,but I'm thinking it probably isn't the most accurate 45 LC handgun you will ever shoot.
I once had Thompson Contender with the barrel that would shoot I THINK 44 magnum and 410 shot shells. It would drive nails with the .223 barrel,but that dual barrel was the biggest piece of Clinton I ever owned. I may have even thrown it away. I HATE inaccurate guns.
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Now see, I thought of a .410... If I am not mistaken, That will take a .45 round too... Versatile. But, I chose the 12ga for the pump... And for the griz. :)
I guess I never defined the terrain... I guess you could get dropped in the wilds of Iowa.... But griz and moose are on my mind. :shrug:
And tween your blackhawk and my shotgun with slugs... Well, I know which one I would want along in a griz encounter. Well BOTH. But if I had it to choose...
There are two revolvers that will do that. The Taurus Judge will take .45 LC and .410 rounds.
The S&W Governor fires both of those plus .45ACP and is a six shot not a five shot.
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@roamer_1
You are thinking "45 Long Colt",not "45 ACP". I know at least one handgun is sold that advertises both rounds,but I'm thinking it probably isn't the most accurate 45 LC handgun you will ever shoot.
I once had Thompson Contender with the barrel that would shoot I THINK 44 magnum and 410 shot shells. It would drive nails with the .223 barrel,but that dual barrel was the biggest piece of Clinton I ever owned. I may have even thrown it away. I HATE inaccurate guns.
I had an old 12ga H&K single shot and had a drop-in 22LR conversion barrel made... with the intention of using that for a bush gun. It was a good idea - I just couldn't get around the reload time. Same problem as the black powder 50... almost as bad.
But that old girl was pretty good for accurate. Had sights put on it... Not as good as an actual 22, but doable.
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That's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
Glad you enjoyed, @Idaho_Cowboy. ^-^ You might also like this...
(http://i.imgur.com/0PZyjOc.jpg)
(Yes, it's a real book... https://www.amazon.com/How-Talk-Your-About-Safety/dp/045149492X )
@Freya @Hopalong Ginsberg
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Glad you enjoyed, @Idaho_Cowboy. ^-^ You might also like this...
(Yes, it's a real book... https://www.amazon.com/How-Talk-Your-About-Safety/dp/045149492X )
@Freya @Hopalong Ginsberg
I like the you might also like that popped up when I went to look at it:
https://www.amazon.com/My-Cold-Dead-Paws-Cats/dp/1569757321
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I like the you might also like that popped up when I went to look at it:
https://www.amazon.com/My-Cold-Dead-Paws-Cats/dp/1569757321
@Suppressed @Idaho_Cowboy @Hopalong Ginsberg
I'm going to check them out once I'm home. I don't think kitties and guns are a good idea. They do have claws which make them very good hunters. I think a gun would be superfluous for a kitteh.
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@Suppressed @Idaho_Cowboy @Hopalong Ginsberg
I'm going to check them out once I'm home. I don't think kitties and guns are a good idea. They do have claws which make them very good hunters. I think a gun would be superfluous for a kitteh.
Now we can have what kitties have, @Freya: https://www.tigerlady.com/collections/feature/products/4-pack-tigerlady-self-defense-claw
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Now we can have what kitties have, @Freya: https://www.tigerlady.com/collections/feature/products/4-pack-tigerlady-self-defense-claw
Now that looks like a good self defense thing!
Thank you @Sanguine.
Check this out @Hopalong Ginsberg
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Glad you enjoyed, @Idaho_Cowboy. ^-^ You might also like this...
(http://i.imgur.com/0PZyjOc.jpg)
(Yes, it's a real book... https://www.amazon.com/How-Talk-Your-About-Safety/dp/045149492X )
@Freya @Hopalong Ginsberg
I have talked to my cats about gun safety. Safety first, safety last, safety always.
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@roamer_1
You are thinking "45 Long Colt",not "45 ACP". I know at least one handgun is sold that advertises both rounds,but I'm thinking it probably isn't the most accurate 45 LC handgun you will ever shoot.
I once had Thompson Contender with the barrel that would shoot I THINK 44 magnum and 410 shot shells. It would drive nails with the .223 barrel,but that dual barrel was the biggest piece of Clinton I ever owned. I may have even thrown it away. I HATE inaccurate guns.
I have a 45LC/.410 barrel for my Contender. Its one of my favorite barrels. All I shoot thru it is .410s. I have shot many a moccasin with it. With it's screw on choke, it patterns pretty good. A 45LC bullet just has to bounce along too far before it gets to any rifling to have any sort of accuracy. I was thinking of loading some up with 9.3x74R cases to get bullets up to the rifling, to see if it would shoot bullets with any sort of accuracy.
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Shotgun for birds
Low caliber rifle for varmints
Scoped high powered rifle for distance (elk, sheep, goats, antelope)
High caliber carbine for brush (Deer, bear, moose)
High caliber sidearm for protection
Low caliber sidearm for trap dispatch
Sawed-off shotgun for home protection and short range varmint control
at least two medium caliber hidey-guns for protection
and at least two medium to high caliber pistols hidden in the home in case of surprise.
Those are needed.
The rest are actually superfluous with regard to day-to-day, or are variations of the above particular to specialty.
Here's a question for all y'all:
Let's say you were limited to TWO. Lets say you're dropped off in the middle of nowhere, a week away from anything, and could only pick TWO guns to get you home... WHICH?
I think I'd have to say 12ga pump shotgun with a variety of shells, and a long barreled 22 pistol.
I'd cheat, I would take an over/under shotgun rifle combo in 12ga./.22 and a long barrelled scoped pistol in .357
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Now see, I thought of a .410... If I am not mistaken, That will take a .45 round too... Versatile. But, I chose the 12ga for the pump... And for the griz. :)
I guess I never defined the terrain... I guess you could get dropped in the wilds of Iowa.... But griz and moose are on my mind. :shrug:
And tween your blackhawk and my shotgun with slugs... Well, I know which one I would want along in a griz encounter. Well BOTH. But if I had it to choose...
Yes, but that's the reason for the .30-06. It's enough for anything short of Polar Bear, and would likely handle that, too (that's the reason for the scope, though, to deal with bigger threats at greater range, or be able to just spot them and avoid them altogether).
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@roamer_1
You are thinking "45 Long Colt",not "45 ACP". I know at least one handgun is sold that advertises both rounds,but I'm thinking it probably isn't the most accurate 45 LC handgun you will ever shoot.
I once had Thompson Contender with the barrel that would shoot I THINK 44 magnum and 410 shot shells. It would drive nails with the .223 barrel,but that dual barrel was the biggest piece of Clinton I ever owned. I may have even thrown it away. I HATE inaccurate guns.
The pistol I had that fired .410 or .45 LC was a cheap boot gun. It might have worked in a pinch, and in an adrenaline rush you might not have noticed the trigger pull was like dragging a semi with one finger. Okay for a last-ditch boot gun, but if you're going to carry a boot gun, there is better. Not a go-to firearm for the boonies. I have dropped whitetail at 75 yards with a .410 rifled slug (my first deer, actually). The reason the .410 was later banned for deer hunting in the shotgun only counties in MD was that it was too much like a rifle, in terms of ballistics (At least that what the DNR said). So I went to the Rem 870 in 20 ga, and later to an Ithaca Featherweight in 12 Ga (which was a great duck blind gun because it ejected the spent hulls downward instead of to the side). I'd like to have one of those Ithacas again....
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... Ithaca Featherweight in 12 Ga...
@Smokin Joe
I can't think of a single reason for buying any other pump shotgun. If you have a Ithaca Model 37 you already have the best pump shotgun ever built,and THE perfect design. Don't believe me? Consider this,Remington made them for almost 20 years before they sold Ithaca the right to make them,and by the early 70's Ithaca had sold over 5 MILLION of them. I have no idea how many have been sold since the early 70's,but I suspect the total number is somewhere north of "several".
Now,ask yourself,out of well over 7 or 8 million of these things being sold,when was the last time you saw a used one for sale that didn't come from an estate? I have one with a folding buttstock that is my "truck shotgun" I keep loaded with #4 buckshot magnum loads in case I have to repel boarders,another with the 20 inch Deerslayer rifled slug barrel,and another one with the 28 inch modified choke barrel. Yeah,I'm a fan.
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Okay, I'm going to be the oddball here and say two long guns: a .410 shotgun (I have dropped everything from squirrels to whitetail with one, that's mainly a question of ammo, and I could carry two boxes to every one for a 12 Ga.) and a scoped .30-06. If I have to trade the -06 in for a pistol, I'd take the super Blackhawk--if the round doesn't get them the muzzle flash will. :laugh:
Since we don't know where the "middle of nowhere" is. The 2 long guns you chose would be inadequate in close cover. Leave the -06 for the hand cannon. Or swap the .410 for a more powerful shotgun.
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888high58888 on the armory. No pink here, though I think that it is neat you have one (just some greens and light browns).
@Smokin Joe
A PINK rifle, to a man, would think it isn't "really" a rifle. That would be his mistake, as PINK shoots just like a green or brown one and it has a multi cartridge magazine and I have boxes of hollow points for it. It is, however, the weakest weapon I have in firepower. My Bob's son, saw my armory, and now he and his wife and teen age daughter are armed and went through gun training.
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I can't think of a single reason for buying any other pump shotgun. If you have a Ithaca Model 37 you already have the best pump shotgun ever built,and THE perfect design. Don't believe me? Consider this,Remington made them for almost 20 years before they sold Ithaca the right to make them,and by the early 70's Ithaca had sold over 5 MILLION of them. I have no idea how many have been sold since the early 70's,but I suspect the total number is somewhere north of "several".
Now,ask yourself,out of well over 7 or 8 million of these things being sold,when was the last time you saw a used one for sale that didn't come from an estate? I have one with a folding buttstock that is my "truck shotgun" I keep loaded with #4 buckshot magnum loads in case I have to repel boarders,another with the 20 inch Deerslayer rifled slug barrel,and another one with the 28 inch modified choke barrel. Yeah,I'm a fan.
I would love to have an Ithaca. I've been happy with my Winchester 1200 all these years. The first gun I ever bought. It's been my "truck gun" for a long long time. When I first started working at Johnson Space Center, I read the driver's pamphlet over and over and it said nothing about firearms. So it stayed in my truck for most of my career. Then one day driving in, there was a huge sign at the front gate. "No Guns" it said. I figured that an idiot deer hunter left his rifle in his "Easy Rider Rifle Rack" for all to see, and messed it up for everyone.
@sneakypete
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I would love to have an Ithaca.
@sneakypete
@Elderberry
They can be found for sale used,but it ain't easy. Mostly they come from estates,and are being sold by gun shops that know their value.
Last time I checked several years ago,they were back in business,and manufacturing them again. IIRC,they were a little "pricey" for my tastes,but it ain't like it's ever going to break or you will ever have to buy another one.
Try to get one with the 18 or 20 inch rifled slug barrel (Deerslayer) and then look around for a longer barrel with the choke of your choice for bird or rabbit hunting. Barrels have always been pretty reasonable.
The Deerslayer is pretty handy as is,but when you add a folding stock with a pistol grip,it's something pretty special. You ever have rifle sights if you want to have a couple of slugs mixed in with your buckshot loads.
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My oldest daughter has a pink 10/22. I'm off today so I'm going to go revolver shopping. I really want the RIA M206 .38 but I may end up with the Taurus .38. Seems all the dealers around here for in a shipment and they are selling them dirt cheap.
@txradioguy
I have three 38 revolvers. Two are Colts and one is Ruger (it is +P). Have boxes of 38 hollow points for them. Have one really small 22 revolver, fits in your hand easily, with 22 Mini Magnum cartridges for it.
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@txradioguy
@Victoria33
I have three 38 revolvers. Two are Colts and one is Ruger (it is +P). Have boxes of 38 hollow points for them.
HISTORICALLY,hollowpoints don't expand worth a damn in human flesh at 38 Special velocities. Not that familiar with +P loads because if I want to shoot magnum loads I just go ahead and shoot 357's.
For a self-defense handgun for use against people,who are a LOT easier to kill than most other animals,I suggest you go in the direction of "traditional" 38 Special velocities,and use SWAGED lead hollowbase wadcutters loaded backwards. I have had them reliably expand to 72 caliber in pine,so you know all the energy in the bullet will be expended inside your target,and none will be expended to go though a wall and injure a family member. These are plenty accurate for typical living room distances,but nobody is ever going to accuse it of being a target load. Those big hollow cups at the base that are facing outwards are not perfect cups and are easily influenced by the air they pass though.
PERFECT loads for inside the home or close self-defense,though. Swaged bullets are VERY soft and you can scratch them with a fingernail,so be VERY careful to not use them with loads over 1,000 fps because the lead will start to melt in your bore. I recommend loads in the 600-800 fps range. VERY mild recoil,no over-penetration,and expansion equal to or better than a magnum hollowpoint.
If you don't reload,find somebody that does and get them to load up a couple of hundred rounds for you,and as always with a new load,go to the range and run a box of ammo though your revolver so you know where it shoots with these loads at typical self-defense distances. Forget sights. Center your gun in your chest by creating a tripod with your hand in the center and both of them locked and supporting the gun,lock your elbows,raise the gun up so it is in line with or close enough to your eyes you are aware of it,focus your eyes on where or what you want to shoot,and let fly.
Have one really small 22 revolver, fits in your hand easily, with 22 Mini Magnum cartridges for it.
NEVER underestimate the killing power of a 22 hollowpoint at close range. Especially since they are virtually recoil-free,and don't make enough noise to scare a novice shooter. Most people that never shoot will hit what they are aiming at with a 22,and miss with anything bigger because the recoil and noise scares them.
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I figured that an idiot deer hunter left his rifle in his "Easy Rider Rifle Rack" for all to see, and messed it up for everyone.
Now see, I remember a time when every pickup around here had a couple guns in the rack all the time (not just hunting season). My old Winchester model 94 lived in the rack most of it's life. The left side of her was darker than the right from always catching sun from one side.
I liked it better then. Having to hide my guns was the first loss of freedom - real freedom - I can remember.
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@Smokin Joe
@txradioguy
I have a Remington 223 rifle and Remington 12 gauge shotgun. They are too heavy for me but in an emergency situation, I figure adrenaline would take over and I would have the strength to deal with the shotgun. Have slugs and scatter cartridges for the shotgun.
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@txradioguy
I have three 38 revolvers. Two are Colts and one is Ruger (it is +P). Have boxes of 38 hollow points for them. Have one really small 22 revolver, fits in your hand easily, with 22 Mini Magnum cartridges for it.
Where I used to hunt, there was a lady that had one of the tiny 22 revolvers. She carried it in her bra. There was no way she could defend herself with it since she couldn't wield it fast enough.
Years ago I went to a talk at the church given by the police about self protection. They said that if you were in an area where you felt that you needed a gun for protection, the best place for the gun was in your hand.
@Victoria33
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@txradioguy
I have three 38 revolvers. Two are Colts and one is Ruger (it is +P). Have boxes of 38 hollow points for them. Have one really small 22 revolver, fits in your hand easily, with 22 Mini Magnum cartridges for it.
I get to go pick out my new gun tomorrow...still waffling between the RIA six shot and the Taurus 5 shot.
I know I know...first world problems LOL!
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Now see, I remember a time when every pickup around here had a couple guns in the rack all the time (not just hunting season). My old Winchester model 94 lived in the rack most of it's life. The left side of her was darker than the right from always catching sun from one side.
I liked it better then. Having to hide my guns was the first loss of freedom - real freedom - I can remember.
@roamer_1
Exactly. There was a time,and it wasn't all that long ago,maybe 2 decades,when you could drive around with a rifle or shotgun in a rack in front of the back window of a PU,and nobody even noticed it. Cops that might stop you for speeding or whatever,didn't even really pay any attention to them unless they were answering a report of somebody night-lighting or otherwise illegal shooting.
And this wasn't just in the deep rural south or the rural north west. It was pretty much anywhere more than 50 miles from a big city.
Now if you mention you have one at home that is unloaded and locked in a safe people want to freak out.
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A revolver is simple. You can leave it in a drawer for 5 years pull it out and it will go bang.
A revolver is usually cheaper.
The caliber is irrelevant for most people in home defense situations. Sure a larger caliber will put down a person faster and with fewer shots. However how many home invasions involve someone who is drug crazed and can only be stopped by blood loss or nervous system disruption?
Every story I can recall of the defensive use of a firearm ended after the victim started shooting, regardless of the caliber.
Nobody wants to get shot, be it a .22 or a .38 or a 45. They hear bang and they run. Its far more important to have a gun you can safely handle and that will go bang when you want.
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Nobody wants to get shot, be it a .22 or a .38 or a 45.
@driftdiver
I dunno about that. I have personally witnessed idiots daring somebody to shoot them in bar parking lots because they thought they were too tough to be harmed by a 22 or a 25 ACP. On one occasion this pissed me off so much I kept telling the guy with the gun to "shoot the stupid MoFo and be done with it!"
Yes,there really ARE people THAT freaking ignorant. I'm betting you will never be able to get any survivors to repeat that in the future,though.
It is enough of a consideration that I never carry my 9 shot 22 revolver for self-defense out of my yard. I carry my short barreled 44 Special instead. Never seen or heard of anybody with a 44 pointed at them screaming at the pointer to go ahead and shoot them.
MY personal philosophy states that "the best way to survive a gun fight is to not get into one." I am going to do whatever I need to do and can do to avoid pulling the trigger,short of allowing the idiot to become an actual physical danger to me. He can run his mouth or hop up and down all he wants,and I'm good with that. If the SOB starts advancing on me I'm going to put a hollowpoint though one of his eyes and end the discussion,though.
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HISTORICALLY,hollowpoints don't expand worth a damn in human flesh at 38 Special velocities. Not that familiar with +P loads because if I want to shoot magnum loads I just go ahead and shoot 357's.
For a self-defense handgun for use against people,who are a LOT easier to kill than most other animals,I suggest you go in the direction of "traditional" 38 Special velocities,and use SWAGED lead hollowbase wadcutters loaded backwards. I have had them reliably expand to 72 caliber in pine,so you know all the energy in the bullet will be expended inside your target,and none will be expended to go though a wall and injure a family member. These are plenty accurate for typical living room distances,but nobody is ever going to accuse it of being a target load.
PERFECT loads for inside the home or close self-defense,though. Swaged bullets are VERY soft and you can scratch them with a fingernail,so be VERY careful to not use them with loads over 1,000 fps because the lead will start to melt in your bore. I recommend loads in the 600-800 fps range. VERY mild recoil,no over-penetration,and expansion equal to or better than a magnum hollowpoint.
Forget sights. Center your gun in your chest by creating a tripod with your hand in the center and both of them locked and supporting the gun,lock your elbows,raise the gun up so it is in line with or close enough to your eyes you are aware of it,focus your eyes on where or what you want to shoot,and let fly.
NEVER underestimate the killing power of a 22 hollowpoint at close range. Especially since they are virtually recoil-free,and don't make enough noise to scare a novice shooter. Most people that never shoot will hit what they are aiming at with a 22,and miss with anything bigger because the recoil and noise scares them.
@sneakypete
@txradioguy
@roamer_1
Sneaky, Thanks for your comments. The Ruger 38 I have, is a 38 special with laser. I know the loud sound and recoil it has. Will check out the ammo you suggest for it.
"focus your eyes on where or what you want to shoot,and let fly"
Most people don't understand how to hit a target. Your eyes must stay on the target when you fire, or when you want to hit a waste basket with something or hit anything accurately. I seldom miss when I throw something because my eyes stay glued on the target when I throw. People tend to look at the object they are throwing or look at the gun instead of the target. People should practice hitting a waste basket or other household target before they shoot a gun if they don't know how to hit a target.
Case in point:
My husband and I were going to go fishing on a lake. He said I should go outside at home and practice with my rod and reel, throwing to put the lure in a selected spot. I said I didn't need to do that. So, we go fishing and he shows me a spot where he knows fish gather, says there is where to land the lure and says I wouldn't hit it because I didn't practice. I put my eyes on the spot and threw and the lure landed exactly there. He said, "Oh, shit! - it took me a long time before I could do that!" He never questioned my ability to hit a target after that.
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@driftdiver
I dunno about that. I have personally witnessed idiots daring somebody to shoot them in bar parking lots because they thought they were too tough to be harmed by a 22 or a 25 ACP. On one occasion this pissed me off so much I kept telling the guy with the gun to "shoot the stupid MoFo and be done with it!"
Yes,there really ARE people THAT freaking ignorant. I'm betting you will never be able to get any survivors to repeat that in the future,though.
It is enough of a consideration that I never carry my 9 shot 22 revolver for self-defense out of my yard. I carry my short barreled 44 Special instead. Never seen or heard of anybody with a 44 pointed at them screaming at the pointer to go ahead and shoot them.
MY personal philosophy states that "the best way to survive a gun fight is to not get into one." I am going to do whatever I need to do and can do to avoid pulling the trigger,short of allowing the idiot to become an actual physical danger to me. He can run his mouth or hop up and down all he wants,and I'm good with that. If the SOB starts advancing on me I'm going to put a hollowpoint though one of his eyes and end the discussion,though.
I'm speaking strictly home defense. A small person with a .22 is more of a threat than a small person with a gun they can't lift or keep on target.
My preference is .45 acp although we do have a .357 in the living room. I've seen some videos of testing done on penetration of the different calibers. The concern being how many walls would the standard calibers penetrate. The 12 ga, 45, 9mm and a couple others all went through at least 4 layers of sheetrock which were set up to simulate interior walls. So they had a layer of sheetrock, 2x4 and then sheet rock.
The only caliber which did not go through at least 4 layers of sheetrock was the 5.56 / .223. The bullet fragmented after the second layer and was stopped by the 3rd.
Each to their own though, if you can't choose your own gun then lifes not worth living. :)
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Where I used to hunt, there was a lady that had one of the tiny 22 revolvers. She carried it in her bra. There was no way she could defend herself with it since she couldn't wield it fast enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77TGGEYhPnM
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I have 2 single acting six shot Rugers.
A .22 long/.22 magnum with interchangeable cylinders.
a .38 special/.357 magnum, where I don't have to change out the cylinders.
I like them because they are quite reliable and shells don't fly all over the place when I fire them.
They are long barreled, gun metal, wood grips.
Heck, they are just fun to shoot.
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Where I used to hunt, there was a lady that had one of the tiny 22 revolvers. She carried it in her bra. There was no way she could defend herself with it since she couldn't wield it fast enough. Years ago I went to a talk at the church given by the police about self protection. They said that if you were in an area where you felt that you needed a gun for protection, the best place for the gun was in your hand.
@Victoria33
@Elderberry
Some people think guns are dressing attire; they look grand to have - can show them off to friends. A totally liberal man I know does that - always carries a 44 and will show it to you. However, one time his wife, in my presence, asked him if he would shoot someone who was assaulting her. There was dead silence, then he said, "I might get in trouble if I shot someone." I would never want that man by my side in a time of serious emergency. He is a wimp inside. I would have to save his freaking person as he wouldn't shoot that gun. This is Texas and if you shoot someone in self defense, as in saving his wife, you would get a medal in Texas.
I have very easy access to my Ruger 38 special with enclosed hammer, in an outside gun pocket on my purse. I don't show it around and if I put my hand on it, I'm going to shoot whatever made me put my hand on it.
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I have 2 single acting six shot Rugers.
A .22 long/.22 magnum with interchangeable cylinders.
a .38 special/.357 magnum, where I don't have to change out the cylinders.
I like them because they are quite reliable and shells don't fly all over the place when I fire them.
They are long barreled, gun metal, wood grips.
Heck, they are just fun to shoot.
I have 2 as well. A 22 Single-Six with a 6in bbl. And a 45Colt Blackhawk with a 4-5/8 bbl. Out in the woods, the Blackhawk is what I carry. I like that barrel length. Its not a bother getting in and out of the truck with it on a drop leg belt holster.
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Since we don't know where the "middle of nowhere" is. The 2 long guns you chose would be inadequate in close cover. Leave the -06 for the hand cannon. Or swap the .410 for a more powerful shotgun.
I'm considering the .410 rifled slug is ballisticly similar to my lever action .44 rem mag Marlin, albeit not quire as powerful--but more effective as a shotgun. I have taken whitetail deer with the .410, as well as ducks and small game. I can also carry about twice the ammo for the .410 for the same weight of 12 Ga. While a 20 Ga would work, too, with a weight savings over 12 Ga ammo, the ammo 'advantage' would only be 3 to 2 over the 12 Ga, not 2 to 1.
In the boonies, higher ground lets you see where you are, lower ground means water, as a rule, and water means food.
The terrain wasn't specified, nor was the duration, so I'll wish for more wishes without cutting all the way back to a .22
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I would love to have an Ithaca. I've been happy with my Winchester 1200 all these years. The first gun I ever bought. It's been my "truck gun" for a long long time. When I first started working at Johnson Space Center, I read the driver's pamphlet over and over and it said nothing about firearms. So it stayed in my truck for most of my career. Then one day driving in, there was a huge sign at the front gate. "No Guns" it said. I figured that an idiot deer hunter left his rifle in his "Easy Rider Rifle Rack" for all to see, and messed it up for everyone.
@sneakypete
I remember driving by the High School here in the '80s and seeing pickups in the parking lot with anywhere from 1-3 long guns hanging in the rifle racks inside the cab. Kids going hunting on the way home from school, usually, but still common even in the off season (coyotes!). No one thought anything of it, and there weren't thieves around there are now, so they were safe.
After Columbine, when the NEA went bat crap over the sight of a well chewed pop-tart or a kid pointing their finger and going 'bang bang', no rifles in the racks...
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I dunno about that. I have personally witnessed idiots daring somebody to shoot them in bar parking lots because they thought they were too tough to be harmed by a 22 or a 25 ACP. On one occasion this pissed me off so much I kept telling the guy with the gun to "shoot the stupid MoFo and be done with it!"
@sneakypete
Yeah... But all they have to do is hear the ominous and infamously recognizable 'cha-chink' of a 12 ga. round getting pumped in, and suddenly everybody wants to go home... go figger :shrug:
Ain't nobody got time for that :beer:
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@Elderberry
Some people think guns are dressing attire; they look grand to have - can show them off to friends. A totally liberal man I know does that - always carries a 44 and will show it to you. However, one time his wife, in my presence, asked him if he would shoot someone who was assaulting her. There was dead silence, then he said, "I might get in trouble if I shot someone." I would never want that man by my side in a time of serious emergency. He is a wimp inside. I would have to save his freaking person as he wouldn't shoot that gun.
@Victoria33
You are more understanding than me. I'd let somebody kill him,and then dress him out and eat him if they wanted. A man that won't shoot somebody physically attacking his wife isn't worth saving. Deepen the gene pool by letting someone remove him from it.
This is Texas and if you shoot someone in self defense, as in saving his wife, you would get a medal in Texas.
I don't care where it is. If my ex and I were still together and someone tried to harm her,bad things would happen to them. Maybe even things that aren't legal anywhere on the planet.
I have very easy access to my Ruger 38 special with enclosed hammer, in an outside gun pocket on my purse. I don't show it around and if I put my hand on it, I'm going to shoot whatever made me put my hand on it.
There ya go!
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I remember driving by the High School here in the '80s and seeing pickups in the parking lot with anywhere from 1-3 long guns hanging in the rifle racks inside the cab. Kids going hunting on the way home from school, usually, but still common even in the off season (coyotes!). No one thought anything of it, and there weren't thieves around there are now, so they were safe.
After Columbine, when the NEA went bat crap over the sight of a well chewed pop-tart or a kid pointing their finger and going 'bang bang', no rifles in the racks...
@Smokin Joe
I remember going duck hunting before going to school,and when I got to the school actually taking my shotgun inside the school and locking it my locker while I was in class. IF anybody ever noticed and said anything,it would have been on the order of,"Get any ducks?"
I did piss off a VERY grumpy math teacher that I didn't like one day by walking into his class room and laying a dead and bleeding duck on his desk as a present. Old MoFo,only slightly younger than I am now,and burnt out from teaching in a big city. Also a vegetarian,which is why I gave him the bleeding duck.
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I'm considering the .410 rifled slug is ballisticly similar to my lever action .44 rem mag Marlin, albeit not quire as powerful--but more effective as a shotgun. I have taken whitetail deer with the .410, as well as ducks and small game.
And you can kill all of those with a .22.
Not ballistically similar to me. The .410 slug is way too light. It sheds its energy very quickly.
.44 Mag., 240gr at 1760fps - 1650 ft. lbs. ME, 966 ft. lbs. at 100 yds.
.410 Rem 87.5 gr slug at 1,830 fps—651 ft. lb. ME, 210 ft. lbs. at 100yds.
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I remember going duck hunting before going to school,and when I got to the school actually taking my shotgun inside the school and locking it my locker while I was in class. IF anybody ever noticed and said anything,it would have been on the order of,"Get any ducks?"
@sneakypete
I remember similar, except they asked us to check our guns at the office, or leave them in the truck... 15 minute line after school, all the boys getting their guns back...
I never bothered with that much... I just left them in the truck. If it was my 7mm mag for some reason (which would be rare), I might check that, or pull it out of the rack and put it behind the seat... That gun and scope cost real money, and would be difficult to replace.
But the 30/30 wasn't worth much, nor the .22, which were what would normally be in the rack.
@Smokin Joe
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@sneakypete
I remember similar, except they asked us to check our guns at the office, or leave them in the truck... 15 minute line after school, all the boys getting their guns back...
I never bothered with that much... I just left them in the truck. If it was my 7mm mag for some reason (which would be rare), I might check that, or pull it out of the rack and put it behind the seat... That gun and scope cost real money, and would be difficult to replace.
But the 30/30 wasn't worth much, nor the .22, which were what would normally be in the rack.
@Smokin Joe
@Smokin Joe
I had to lock it up. I was so poor I had to borrow a shotgun to go hunting with,and if it got stolen I would have to replace it. Which was impossible. If I had access to enough money to buy a new shotgun I would have already bought one for myself.
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And you can kill all of those with a .22.
Not ballistically similar to me. The .410 slug is way too light. It sheds its energy very quickly.
.44 Mag., 240gr at 1760fps - 1650 ft. lbs. ME, 966 ft. lbs. at 100 yds.
.410 Rem 87.5 gr slug at 1,830 fps—651 ft. lb. ME, 210 ft. lbs. at 100yds.
True enough, but in the thick stuff, you won't get anywhere close to a 100 yard shot.
25-30 yards max. (Thinking Missouri/Yellowstone River bottoms and willows here, the steep draws of the tributary coulees, or the dangnear jungle of greenbriers, honeysuckle and such where I grew up in MD) If I'm going to reach out to 100 yards and beyond, that is what the .30-06 is for, 180 gr. core-lokt is my favorite all around round, and the optics make it an easier shot. I have a tip-off mount and iron sights on my Model 70, so if the optics are off/damaged, I am still in the running.
Anything well wooded is pretty much open once you get back inside the treeline east of the Cascades, and most of the middles of nowhere I have been in up and down the Rockies, the Basin and Range, The Great Basin and in desert terrain are either wooded mountains or open prairie/desert or badlands. Line of sight is either very short or very long. In the Appalachians/Alleghenies things tended to be more grown up underneath the 'canopy', with second growth, deadfall, and a more humid environment.
Besides, as much as I like my Marlin, it isn't worth squat as a scattergun. If I'm hunting in brush, that's my go-to deer gun for the breaks, but we're talking a game getter, and being dropped off in the boonies.
There are a lot of trade offs. Power vs ammo weight vs number of rounds, versatility as a game getter, utility for larger game/problem predators, and range. I have taken whitetail with a .410 (75 yards, I was 11, and my Dad paced it off--he kept track of everything to do with our deer hunts, data which proved useful in later years.), countless ducks, rabbit, and squirrels. I have taken whitetail (to 275 yards) and larger animals with a .30-06. Most game you get in the boonies will either be smaller stuff, or will be farther away, at least in open country, and the shotgun will do it. If people are a problem (overt life threatening activity with clear intent), that changes the equation. Back off for distance, and if they persist the .30-06 comes in.
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I get to go pick out my new gun tomorrow...still waffling between the RIA six shot and the Taurus 5 shot.
I know I know...first world problems LOL!
@txradioguy
Did you pick? Or are you still deciding?
My son recently purchased a S&W Model 69 and it shoots really really really good. I want one in the worst way.
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@txradioguy
Did you pick? Or are you still deciding?
My son recently purchased a S&W Model 69 and it shoots really really really good. I want one in the worst way.
Went with the RIA .38. Couldn't beat extra round...the price and in addition to the wood grips it comes with a set of Hogue style rubber grips.
However...
(caution rant loading)
I'm trying to figure out how in the blue hell it is that the federal government can trust me with hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment...let me carry a weapon with 200+ rounds into combat...give me a security clearance...but won't let me walk out of a gun shop with a weapon on the day I want to buy it.
Every...single...time
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Went with the RIA .38. Couldn't beat extra round...the price and in addition to the wood grips it comes with a set of Hogue style rubber grips.
However...
(caution rant loading)
I'm trying to figure out how in the blue hell it is that the federal government can trust me with hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment...let me carry a weapon with 200+ rounds into combat...give me a security clearance...but won't let me walk out of a gun shop with a weapon on the day I want to buy it.
Every...single...time
(End rant)
You don't have your concealed carry?
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I'm trying to figure out how in the blue hell it is that the federal government can trust me with hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment...let me carry a weapon with 200+ rounds into combat...give me a security clearance...but won't let me walk out of a gun shop with a weapon on the day I want to buy it.
Every...single...time
Its a state thing. Not a problem in Texas.
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You don't have your concealed carry?
Not yet. That comes at the end of this month. I was supposed to have gotten it last weekend but the class on post got rescheduled.
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Not yet. That comes at the end of this month. I was supposed to have gotten it last weekend but the class on post got rescheduled.
No waiting period with the CCP.
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Its a state thing. Not a problem in Texas.
Ahhh another reason I miss home.
Funny thing is you'd think it wouldn't be a problem in an open carry state like Kentucky where I'm at now.
It's not like I'm trying to make this purchase in New York state or California LOL.
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No waiting period with the CCP.
Yeah that's what everyone tells me. I'll have it by the time May rolls around and I won't hopefully have this issue anymore.
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I'm trying to figure out how in the blue hell it is that the federal government can trust me with hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment...let me carry a weapon with 200+ rounds into combat...give me a security clearance...but won't let me walk out of a gun shop with a weapon on the day I want to buy it.
Every...single...time
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@txradioguy
Is that a Texas or a feral government thing? I haven't bought a gun in a LONG time,but as best as I can remember,I paid my money and I walks out the door. I THINK I used my CCW permit as well as my DL,and that might have made a difference. Or maybe not. Just guessing.
BTW,if you think THAT is insane,I have a friend that was an active-duty MSG Special Forces A team sgt IN POSSESSION of a NC CCW permit,and he got stopped for a random search going off base to go home one night,and damned if the MP's didn't arrest him for carrying a concealed weapon.
The man had been carrying a concealed weapon and several that weren't concealed every day for over 20 years while deployed on various teams,and being first the Jr weapons man on a A team,and then the Sr weapons man before becoming team sgt. If you can't trust a SF MSG with 20+ years in the army,multiple deployments to hostile areas of the planet,a Silver Star,a couple of Bronze Stars with V/Device,a couple of Purple Hearts,etc,etc,etc to carry a freaking 9 mm in a holster under his shirt,who the hell CAN you trust?
Adding insult to injury,SFTG at that time had a asshat reserve LTC from Mass with political connections that was a rabid anti-gunner as his company commander,and instead of looking the other way,he was wanting to court-martial the man. I lost contact with them all before the dust had settled on that,so I don't know what the final outcome was,but I have a hard time believing the Army AG in DC didn't open the charge book to review the case and scream "WTF???????",and just toss it.
I worked with the E-8 when I was working as a consultant to SFTG at Bragg back in the 80's,but have no idea where he is now. He had plans on being a 30 year man,but that changed his mind and he decided to put in his retirement papers and get out.
That is the height of insanity. You just aren't going to ever run into anyone more stable than a SF team sgt,or anyone more knowledgeable about weapons or when to shoot and when not to shoot. The man just ain't going to panic and start gunning everybody down in sight because somebody called him a name or threatened to kick his ass.
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@txradioguy
Is that a Texas or a feral government thing? I haven't bought a gun in a LONG time,but as best as I can remember,I paid my money and I walks out the door. I THINK I used my CCW permit as well as my DL,and that might have made a difference. Or maybe not. Just guessing.
@sneakypete I'm not sure. Some people say the reason I get delayed is because of my security clearance some people have told me it's because I've only been back in the states since August. Either way it's a pain in the @as.
But what everyone does way is that when I get my CCL this problem will go away.
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@sneakypete I'm not sure. Some people say the reason I get delayed is because of my security clearance some people have told me it's because I've only been back in the states since August. Either way it's a pain in the @as.
But what everyone does way is that when I get my CCL this problem will go away.
Next time they tell you to wait. You should say "Never mind, I'll just stangle 'em instead." :laugh: Or maybe not.
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@sneakypete I'm not sure. Some people say the reason I get delayed is because of my security clearance some people have told me it's because I've only been back in the states since August. Either way it's a pain in the @as.
But what everyone does way is that when I get my CCL this problem will go away.
@txradioguy
Let's hope that's what happens.
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Next time they tell you to wait. You should say "Never mind, I'll just stangle 'em instead." :laugh: Or maybe not.
@Idaho_Cowboy
I knew a NCO that ran recon in Cambodia out of Ban Me Tout (spelling?). One hell of a team leader and soldier,but in some ways not all there. He was picked up by the MP's in Saigon one night,just wandering around the back streets after curfew,all by himself. He was carrying a 38 Special in a shoulder holster,so the MP's disarmed him and took him to the lockup,where they called his unit to have someone come sign for him. The Major who was the XO at that camp came to town to get him out,and after he saw the MP's give him back his 38,he asked them "Where are the rest of his weapons?",and demanded they return them to him. The NCO just smiled and told the Major,"No sweat,I've still got them." and pulled up his jungle fatigue shirt to show two loaded 1911A1's and a couple of baseball grenades. The Major later told people that he thought the MP's were going to stroke out when they saw what they had missed when they locked him up. And maybe even what they had missed by not pissing him off or trying to manhandle him or insult him. That could have gotten very ugly very quickly. This man had the code name of "Mad Dog",and he was more than a little strange,even by VN-era SF standards.
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@sneakypete I'm not sure. Some people say the reason I get delayed is because of my security clearance some people have told me it's because I've only been back in the states since August. Either way it's a pain in the @as.
But what everyone does way is that when I get my CCL this problem will go away.
@txradioguy
Probably someone with a similiar name on a watch list or with a record. The CCL may not fix it. Your clearance never comes up as those systems aren't connected.
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@txradioguy
Probably someone with a similiar name on a watch list or with a record. The CCL may not fix it. Your clearance never comes up as those systems aren't connected.
In Texas, when you buy a firearm and have a Texas CHL, no background check is performed. I live in Texas, but have a Florida CHL. So they still do the background check on me.
Other states may be similar.
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In Texas, when you buy a firearm and have a Texas CHL, no background check is performed. I live in Texas, but have a Florida CHL. So they still do the background check on me.
Other states may be similar.
I have CCW, but I hate all the paper that goes along with buying a firearm over the counter... . I like my privacy, and foremost, from governmental intrusion. I make it a point to buy all my weapons off the tailgate of a truck. Way cheaper than retail, throw down your money, walk away with your gun. They don't even have to know who I am.
It's a beautiful thing.
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I have CCW, but I hate all the paper that goes along with buying a firearm over the counter... . I like my privacy, and foremost, from governmental intrusion. I make it a point to buy all my weapons off the tailgate of a truck. Way cheaper than retail, throw down your money, walk away with your gun. They don't even have to know who I am.
It's a beautiful thing.
Sure, I like that way too, but you're limited to what you can find. These days, like so many other things I purchase, I use the internet. I just have them ship it to a pistol range down the street from me. I have to pay a $30 transfer fee, but its convenient. I've also bought several guns from Collector's Firearms. They have a lot of consignment guns to choose from too. That and I hit the pawn shops. You never know what you'll spot. That's how I picked up 2 of my 5 holer 38s.
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@Idaho_Cowboy
I knew a NCO that ran recon in Cambodia out of Ban Me Tout (spelling?). One hell of a team leader and soldier,but in some ways not all there. He was picked up by the MP's in Saigon one night,just wandering around the back streets after curfew,all by himself. He was carrying a 38 Special in a shoulder holster,so the MP's disarmed him and took him to the lockup,where they called his unit to have someone come sign for him. The Major who was the XO at that camp came to town to get him out,and after he saw the MP's give him back his 38,he asked them "Where are the rest of his weapons?",and demanded they return them to him. The NCO just smiled and told the Major,"No sweat,I've still got them." and pulled up his jungle fatigue shirt to show two loaded 1911A1's and a couple of baseball grenades. The Major later told people that he thought the MP's were going to stroke out when they saw what they had missed when they locked him up. And maybe even what they had missed by not pissing him off or trying to manhandle him or insult him. That could have gotten very ugly very quickly. This man had the code name of "Mad Dog",and he was more than a little strange,even by VN-era SF standards.
Wow! I'll bet those MP learned to frisk a little better after that.
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Well...a little bit of good news on this Friday afternoon. Gun shop called...I'm good to go. I'll be heading out shortly to go pick up my new gun! :beer:
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Wow! I'll bet those MP learned to frisk a little better after that.
@Idaho_Cowboy
In this case,they are VERY lucky they didn't. They got the 38 because they asked nicely. They asked nicely because he was a SFC. NOBODY was going to TAKE any weapons from him without killing him and surviving the process. If ANY part of their plan was to intimidate him,they would have needed a new plan.You can't intimidate a man with a death wish.
He was last seen charging a NVA machine gun bunker in Cambodia. He was the platoon sgt on a Hatchet Force platoon assault on a suspected NVA base camp,and the NVA waited until they had landed before opening fire. Every American in that platoon and most of the yards were dead or wounded in a short time,and the covey had to spend most of the day calling in airstrike after airstrike to suppress the NVA enough to land another HF platoon to pick up the few survivors and all the bodies they could find. His remains have still not been found. I lost two friends on the ground with him that day. Lt Harrigan,who I was friends with when he was a Sgt company clerk in the 1st on Okinawa,and Sgt Jamison,who I went through Recon Team Leaders School with. Gregg Harrigan was in the same Recon Team Leaders course as a 1st Lt,and he had told me he had married his Okinawan girlfriend and had a infant son recently. He had gone to OCS,the SF Officers Course ,and right back to Okie as a XO on a team.
I found out in the last few years that Shriver's story gets even more tragic. One of his few friends,Harve Saal, married his sister,and they had one child. IIRC,Harve died of cancer while the boy was in high school. The son enlisted in the army when he graduated,and then committed suicide the night before he was to go off to basic training.
Here is a link to Jerry Shriver's MIA report. I am not exaggerating when I say he was a true legend in SF.
http://www.taskforceomegainc.org/s139.html (http://www.taskforceomegainc.org/s139.html)
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@Idaho_Cowboy
In this case,they are VERY lucky they didn't. They got the 38 because they asked nicely. They asked nicely because he was a SFC. NOBODY was going to TAKE any weapons from him without killing him and surviving the process. If ANY part of their plan was to intimidate him,they would have needed a new plan.You can't intimidate a man with a death wish.
He was last seen charging a NVA machine gun bunker in Cambodia. He was the platoon sgt on a Hatchet Force platoon assault on a suspected NVA base camp,and the NVA waited until they had landed before opening fire. Every American in that platoon and most of the yards were dead or wounded in a short time,and the covey had to spend most of the day calling in airstrike after airstrike to suppress the NVA enough to land another HF platoon to pick up the few survivors and all the bodies they could find. His remains have still not been found. I lost two friends on the ground with him that day. Lt Harrigan,who I was friends with when he was a Sgt company clerk in the 1st on Okinawa,and Sgt Jamison,who I went through Recon Team Leaders School with. Gregg Harrigan was in the same Recon Team Leaders course as a 1st Lt,and he had told me he had married his Okinawan girlfriend and had a infant son recently. He had gone to OCS,the SF Officers Course ,and right back to Okie as a XO on a team.
I found out in the last few years that Shriver's story gets even more tragic. One of his few friends,Harve Saal, married his sister,and they had one child. IIRC,Harve died of cancer while the boy was in high school. The son enlisted in the army when he graduated,and then committed suicide the night before he was to go off to basic training.
Here is a link to Jerry Shriver's MIA report. I am not exaggerating when I say he was a true legend in SF.
http://www.taskforceomegainc.org/s139.html (http://www.taskforceomegainc.org/s139.html)
Wow:
2 Silver Stars
3 Army Commendation Medals for Valor
1 Soldier's medal 1 Air Medal
7 Bronze Stars for Valor
1 Purple Heart
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Wow:
2 Silver Stars
3 Army Commendation Medals for Valor
1 Soldier's medal 1 Air Medal
7 Bronze Stars for Valor
1 Purple Heart
Indeed. Wow.
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Wow:
2 Silver Stars
3 Army Commendation Medals for Valor
1 Soldier's medal 1 Air Medal
7 Bronze Stars for Valor
1 Purple Heart
Wow is all I can say too.
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@driftdiver
I dunno about that. I have personally witnessed idiots daring somebody to shoot them in bar parking lots because they thought they were too tough to be harmed by a 22 or a 25 ACP. On one occasion this pissed me off so much I kept telling the guy with the gun to "shoot the stupid MoFo and be done with it!"
Yes,there really ARE people THAT freaking ignorant. I'm betting you will never be able to get any survivors to repeat that in the future,though.
It is enough of a consideration that I never carry my 9 shot 22 revolver for self-defense out of my yard. I carry my short barreled 44 Special instead. Never seen or heard of anybody with a 44 pointed at them screaming at the pointer to go ahead and shoot them.
MY personal philosophy states that "the best way to survive a gun fight is to not get into one." I am going to do whatever I need to do and can do to avoid pulling the trigger,short of allowing the idiot to become an actual physical danger to me. He can run his mouth or hop up and down all he wants,and I'm good with that. If the SOB starts advancing on me I'm going to put a hollowpoint though one of his eyes and end the discussion,though.
Met a guy years ago who had a home invader in the wee hours.
He grabbed his .22 and headed downstairs.
Got blindsided in his bathroom and shot the guy 3 times in the chest.
His attacker then took the guy away from him, pistol whipped him with it, stole it and got away.
Years later the PD in a major city 1500 miles away called him to ask if he wanted his .22 back.
They'd busted the crook.
He told them to keep the useless damn thing. It almost got him killed.
He'd gone out and bought a .45 and was through with anything smaller.
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Met a guy years ago who had a home invader in the wee hours.
He grabbed his .22 and headed downstairs.
Got blindsided in his bathroom and shot the guy 3 times in the chest.
His attacker then took the guy away from him, pistol whipped him with it, stole it and got away.
Years later the PD in a major city 1500 miles away called him to ask if he wanted his .22 back.
They'd busted the crook.
He told them to keep the useless damn thing. It almost got him killed.
He'd gone out and bought a .45 and was through with anything smaller.
@To-Whose-Benefit?
Shot placement is everything. I guarantee you that if he had put a bullet though a eye socket none of those bad things would have happened to him.
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No arguments there Pete.
But getting bushwacked at 3AM in your own bathroom doesn't always leave you time to 'call the button' on the bad guy's shirt.
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No arguments there Pete.
But getting bushwacked at 3AM in your own bathroom doesn't always leave you time to 'call the button' on the bad guy's shirt.
@To-Whose-Benefit?
Don't misunderstand me. I am NOT a "sporting gentleman" when it comes to defense of self,friends,and family. I would be perfectly happy to call in a napalm run from a flight of fast movers,and create some "Crispy Critters",but you don't always get first choice. What you get is what you have,and you just have to condition yourself to made do with what you have. If an intruder is in my bathroom he is close enough for me to put a 22 hollowpoint in one of his eye sockets,so that is what I would do.