The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: DCPatriot on June 14, 2014, 12:55:59 pm
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W STAYS SILENT
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Former President George W. Bush, his predecessor who sent U.S. servicemen and women into Iraq by the tens of thousands, is determined to hold his tongue.
Former President George W. Bush has been reluctant to weigh in on the latest developments in the region where he spent years deploying military assets that Obama would later pull back.
A request for comment from the former president was met with a non-response from his communications director Freddy Ford, who told MailOnline: 'I don’t have a comment for you. When he left office President Bush decided not to criticize his successor.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2657229/Obama-rules-OUT-sending-troops-combat-Iraq-promises-review-military-options.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2657229/Obama-rules-OUT-sending-troops-combat-Iraq-promises-review-military-options.html)
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I suspect W will stay quiet, but... not Dick Cheney.
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Obama's Red Line:
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Had been thinking about President Bush....the MAN...as well as a former POTUS!
There can be no argument that he dearly loves the American soldier. He's shed many a public tear over our fallen.
"Fallen".
For what? For a decade of a Hussein-free Iraq? Ask the people who were the oppressed minority under Saddam if they would have done the same thing if they knew that in just ten years, they would be savagely hunted down?
There is SO MUCH that is upside down in our country today.
I can understand why President Bush hasn't come forward on the economy and Obamacare. Don't agree with it, but understand that historically, it's just not done.
But after President Bush buried over 4,000 of our finest? To see all those deaths....the emotional pain of each family?
I am angry with him....despite the love I feel for him.
Come on, man!
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I suspect W will stay quiet, but... not Dick Cheney.
But it's not the same thing.
I swear that if GWB talked from his heart, he could turn the American People around to the point that Barack Obama would piss his pants.
Huge opportunity being missed here....
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I want him to say something and I am disappointed he isn't....my family only gave up years while others gave limbs and the ultimate sacrifice...for what!!!
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I suspect W will stay quiet, but... not Dick Cheney.
yep...and Dick Cheney has been very vocal about a number of Obama FUBARs and will continue to do so.
There has always been an unwritten but understood rule among past Presidents, that they do not criticize their successor. W is a firm believer in the Office of the President, and just like you never saw him with his feet on the desk or in the Oval Office without a coat and tie, you will not hear him make any public comments about Obama.
W is busy working with wounded veterans, instead of putting them on secret waiting lists to die awaiting an appointment. He doesn't have to say a word.
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He may yet... It would be powerful.
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I want him to say something and I am disappointed he isn't....my family only gave up years while others gave limbs and the ultimate sacrifice...for what!!!
It breaks your heart, Nancy!
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This Iraqi girl might be 20-21 years old today.
.....if she's still alive. [/s]
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But it's not the same thing.
I swear that if GWB talked from his heart, he could turn the American People around to the point that Barack Obama would piss his pants.
Huge opportunity being missed here....
I agree. It's a source of disappointment to me, I have been a huge supporter of GWB, but this whole reticence on criticizing Obama has wrought such damage to our country, I can't believe that he would stay quiet when our very future is at stake. It makes you wonder if they don't both have the same master to have to answer to.
:tinfoil:
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I can not imagine the terror so many are experiencing.
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I can not imagine the terror so many are experiencing.
And for many, it's deja vu.
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I can not imagine the terror so many are experiencing.
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts here.
Saddam Hussein ruled with an iron fist and ruled with fear his main tool. People didn't have to lock their doors at night in certain neighborhoods.
Because GWB got revenge on Hussein for his unsuccessful assassination attempt on his father's (GHWB), he at the same time...removed a dictator and Al Quada from Iraq.
Iran tried to beat him twice in wars and failed, and we did it in less than 40 days.
Now because of Barack Obama, who already had a full dress rehearsal in Libya, the "insurgents" are coming in...probably with weapons taken that night at the so-called "Consulate".
To me, that's the very definition of a Manchurian POTUS.
President Bush needs to speak out! Tomorrow morning on FOXNEW wouldn't be too soon, IMO.
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Iraq is but an example of the entire Arab world.
They do not understand democracy or want it.
Apparently, neither do we.
Any country that would trust the word of this administration is run by fools.
Another 3 years and we will have very much in common with Iraq.
Although I disagreed with W on social issues I admired him as a leader. He has always been reluctant to defend himself or strike back at people who criticized him.
I suspect if he had lost his 2 daughters in the war he might feel differently about speaking out on the tragedy that Obama has wrought.
Just sayin'...
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Although I disagreed with W on social issues I admired him as a leader. He has always been reluctant to defend himself or strike back at people who criticized him.
I suspect if he had lost his 2 daughters in the war he might feel differently about speaking out on the tragedy that Obama has wrought.
Just sayin'...
I disagree with you evad (bold above)
The 'problem' with President Bush is that he is the epitome of a "Big Picture" leader.
He knows that long after all of us are distant or forgotten memories, that the office of the POTUS should be held to the highest honor and standard.
The lump in President Bush's throat must be unbearable.
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Bush is right not to say anything. He knows that would put the focus back on him.
All of you who think Bush speaking would do any good or change any minds have forgotten that the media is JUST WAITING to make him the issue once again.
Stay quiet, George. Let Obama stew in the soup he's made.
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W STAYS SILENT
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Sorry, "W". You owe it the troops you sent there to fight, and as some did, die, to open your friggin' mouth on this one. I'm a 'Nam vet, so I know how it feels to watch all you, and everyone else did, go down the crapper when the U.S turns its back on an ally. And what about all that democracy you were building? You know, the cornerstone of your Middle East policy? Remember all those folks with purple fingers? You bragged about it enough. Barack Obama worth their lives, too?
Barack Hussein Obama is a malignant narcissist and a sociopath. You owe him NO silence. Perhaps you should think of the duty you owe this nation, its troops, and those who trusted us. Because I really don't want to see Saigon all over again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2657229/Obama-rules-OUT-sending-troops-combat-Iraq-promises-review-military-options.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2657229/Obama-rules-OUT-sending-troops-combat-Iraq-promises-review-military-options.html)
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I disagree with you evad (bold above)
The 'problem' with President Bush is that he is the epitome of a "Big Picture" leader.
He knows that long after all of us are distant or forgotten memories, that the office of the POTUS should be held to the highest honor and standard.
The lump in President Bush's throat must be unbearable.
Can't disagree with any of that. He is what you said.
However, I consider Dick Cheney to also be the epitome of a "Big Picture" leader.
I guess it's different strokes for different folks.
And of course, the greatest Big Picture leader of all has had no problem nailing Bush every chance he got. That would be "The Slickster" and all his gang.
IBF is the only card they have to play anymore.
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I agree. It's a source of disappointment to me, I have been a huge supporter of GWB, but this whole reticence on criticizing Obama has wrought such damage to our country, I can't believe that he would stay quiet when our very future is at stake. It makes you wonder if they don't both have the same master to have to answer to.
:tinfoil:
Former Presidents know the difficulty and demands of the job. They know having to contend with every living ex-Potus at every turn would make it all the more difficult.
I'm sure most of us internet political hobbyists often forget the difference between public and private. I'm sure privately Obama knows how Bush II feels about such matters.
Normally the GOP would have highly regarded "statesman" caliber individuals, to make the opposition party's case. Unfortunately at the national level, there is a serious shortfall in the stature of GOP leaders. It used to be true that partisanship stopped, at the oceans' edges.
If a vote were held today nationally, I think America would react like they did with Hitler in the 1930s--not desiring to shed blood for another round of European wars, or now middle-east wars..
Thirteen years of "War on Terror" accomplished little or nothing. A different strategy might be: Real red lines, not to be crossed at risk of massive destruction. First chance give an example.
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I have no use for any of the Bush's!
Both father and son are one worlders.
Bush junior lost any respect I had for him over the Ramos and Compean episode.
Bush brought in an old friend (Johnny Sutton) to prosecute the agents.
It took congress critters (from both sides) and an outraged public to Force Bush to commute their sentences and That was only done on his last day in office!
(and at the same time his coziness with former Mexico President Vicente Fox was well known)
And if you don't think that out of control spending (ex: Medicare drug bill, MMA) and the Patriot Act didn't open the doors for the Democrats to put the Dictator (Obama) in office .. I just don't know what it will take.
When Bush signed into law the bill for the MMA .. THAT opened the door for the Democrats to push obamacare down our throats.
The Patriot Act ..?
(nuff said)
Why does anyone still Give A D@mn about any Bush's thoughts or feelings!
And yes, I am a vet!
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The Bush's have exhibited more class, mrclose, in remaining silent than you have in your ridiculous rant.
But I'm glad that you agree with me that Bush-43 has chosen the better part of valor by remaining silent.
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The Bush's have exhibited more class, mrclose, in remaining silent than you have in your ridiculous rant.
But I'm glad that you agree with me that Bush-43 has chosen the better part of valor by remaining silent.
While you and I are on opposite sides here, we both respect both 41 and 43.
I believe GWB is missing "A Winston Churchill" moment.
Tea Party rising like a Phoenix and all that rot.....but it's true. The country needs to hear from him so that we know we're not crazy.
And to make Republicans valid again.
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Hate responding from my phone, but...
GWB is a patriot. We can disagree with his policies or decisions, but he is a patriot. Obama? Decidedly, no. Mrclose, I don't know you, but your post is grossly misguided in this matter. Grossly.
GWB will not reflect on this issue publicly. I agree that I'd like to hear him. But, it will be through surrogates at best.
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While you and I are on opposite sides here, we both respect both 41 and 43.
I believe GWB is missing "A Winston Churchill" moment.
Tea Party rising like a Phoenix and all that rot.....but it's true. The country needs to hear from him so that we know we're not crazy.
And to make Republicans valid again.
What's the old saw about getting out of the way when your enemy is destroying himself.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Never, ever, EVER take the focus off the incompetent one in the White House.
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What's the old saw about getting out of the way when your enemy is destroying himself.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Never, ever, EVER take the focus off the incompetent one in the White House.
Completely agree. As soon as W says something critical, the story changes to that. Just shut up and feel vindicated.
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Because GWB got revenge on Hussein for his unsuccessful assassination attempt on his father's (GHWB)
That is not the only reason we took out Hussein, but I agree it a damn good one. I respect the fact that Dubya is not acting like Carter has with each succeeding GOP President. Dubya is sadly no longer President. Obama was elected on a campaign to removing us from Iraq. The American people don't want us there, anything Dubya could say won't change that.
10 years of freedom is still a blessing for those alive in Iraq. They will need to fight for their future.
IMO the reason we took out Hussein was to tell the Islamic fascists that if you attack the USA we will take you down, and we will take down your neighbor buddy as well and our people will cheer us on. Whether the Iraqi people hold on to this chance doesn't change that message in response to 9/11. That is IMO something worth the cost of US lives.
If Obama is unwilling to win the war then we should not be in Iraq.
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That is not the only reason we took out Hussein, but I agree it a damn good one.
Not to mention the legal justification that an attempted assassination of a national leader is considered an act of war.
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Leave him alone. Let him enjoy his retirement. Let Obama handle it.Its Obama's fault for an incoherent Middle Eastern policy
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Leave him alone. Let him enjoy his retirement. Let Obama handle it.Its Obama's fault for an incoherent Middle Eastern policy
Churchill had suffered a mild stroke while on holiday in the south of France in the summer of 1949. In June 1953, when he was 78, Churchill suffered a more severe stroke at 10 Downing Street.
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We criticize the left for being delusional but when someone criticizes our own delusions ...
Bush said immigration is important to pass because of a “broken system,” not to improve the Republican Party’s political standing among Latino voters.
(The 'system' has never been broken! The law, even under him was never enforced!)
He is on record(1999) as opposing the controversial Proposition 187 which would have barred illegal immigrants from state-supported benefits.
And yes, Bush has been talking a lot.
Gay marriage?
President George W. Bush cautioned against criticizing gay couples, saying in an interview on “This Week” that you shouldn't judge others.
(Heck of a standing for a Christian)
You don't Judge the heart condition but you Do make necessary discernments as a Christian and homosexuality is wrong!
Next president?
Former President George W. Bush thinks his brother Jeb would make a great president and can provide some tips for his younger brother if he decides to run.
“Hey, Jeb, if you need some advice, give me a call,” Bush said in an interview airing Thursday with CNN’s Jake Tapper.
“I hope Jeb runs; I think he would be a great president,” the former president said of his brother, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.
(No More Bush's!)
There will alway be some who will forever cling to their Bush fantasy scrapbook of regal imagery and style of personality over any substantive review of the Bush dynasty of faux conservatism. It's a pathological disorder much like liberalism.
Sorry but if you think that this is just ranting .. Oh well!
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Pathological, huh?
OK. One stupid pathological sonofabitch to another.
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George W. Bush is second only to Ronald Reagan in terms of being among the most positive, effective presidents in my adult lifetime. That goes back to Kennedy.
NOTE: We shouldn't kid ourselves that this faction of Al Qaeda is so brutal that "even the Taliban wanted nothing to do with them!"
Bullshit! That's just a blatant effort to get 'us' to accept the Taliban. These are one and the same....the same people who burned children alive because they happened to be attending school.
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Earlier in this thread, it was suggested that both G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney are "big picture" type of leadership guys.
So be it.
The only thing wrong is that in the time following the September 11th attacks, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, and certainly all their advisors, were looking at the -wrong- "picture".
As most of our "leaders" still do.
They figured they could go in with military power, overthrow or kill a leader or two, throw out the existing government and replace it with a new one ("elected" or not), and come out of that with something resembling "stability".
We're seeing how well that worked out, eh?
What neither Mr. Bush nor Mr. Cheney (nor the rest of the power elites) could (or can) understand is that in dar el islam, whoever happens to be "sitting in the seat" at the moment isn't really the "leader" of those nations, and that the concept of "nations" (at least as -we- regard them) itself doesn't matter all that much.
The "leader" of those "nations" has been dead for 1400 years.
The "governments" over which they are ruled are inconsequential -- the true "operating system" of islamic nations was laid down in a book written by that guy who died 1400 years ago. There is no chance that they can be changed, because the book is recognized by the people who live in those nations as "un-changeable". It is what it is.
The countries have borders, but for all practical purposes, how life is going to be conducted in one nation of dar el islam doesn't vary much from the rest. That, too, is what it is.
And it's going to STAY that way, and grow worse, until The West wakes up and understands that if we wish to fundamentally (carefully chosen word) change dar el islam into a "dar" that resembles that of Western freedom, we're going to have to get rid of that book and free those populations from the thrall of that guy who has held them in his grip for fourteen centuries.
"That's impossible", you'll reply.
Very well. You're probably right.
But if that's the case, we'd better prepare ourselves for what's comin' down the pike.
Something that those "big picture" guys missed completely...
Hint: it's called "submission".
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GWB was under no such illusion. He and his people knew the nature of these murderous, barbaric Seventh Century people. We did the Afghanistan thing because it was necessary. We chose Iraq because we knew it would be a killing field for these very folks you mention.
Eliminating Saddam Hussein was a useful coincidence. Everything about the landscape made it relatively easy to wage war in this killing field. We killed a lot of them. Not enough, as we know. The Bush Doctrine was crystal clear. You harbor these murderers, you are our enemy. We will establish a presence in the Middle East and show you, Iraq, how to run a military and run your country. High risk, high reward, to be sure.
Then we elected Obama.
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Sorry for my staccato writing style. Dogs are pestering me...
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I was not at all thrilled with GWB's domestic spending. He had no vetoes during his first term.
But he has class and decency and that counts a lot with me.
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Lando wrote above:
[[ The Bush Doctrine was crystal clear. You harbor these murderers, you are our enemy...]]
But the problem with that "doctrine" is that it STILL has no meaningful application when dealing with dar el islam.
That "doctrine" assumes (see my post above) that if we get rid of the leaders "who are harboring the murderers", the problem is solved.
This cannot solve the problem with dar el islam, nor can it EVER solve it.
Do you remember "The Who"?
Did you ever listen to their greatest song, "Won't Get Fooled Again" ...??
Famous line from that song:
"Meet the new boss.... same as the old boss".
It doesn't matter how many "bosses" like Saddam we get rid of.
It doesn't even matter if we get rid of the taliban, or al qaeda.
Because, in dar el islam, they're not "the boss", nor have they ever been.
When you confront the reality of who "the boss" actually is, then -- and only then -- you will comprehend what needs to be done, if The West is to win this struggle.
I voted for Mr. Bush... twice.
I voted for his dad, too.
But I can state flat out that they didn't and don't comprehend what I just stated above.
(Aside: even if they did, they would never state as much publicly)
Until we have leaders in The West who do -- and until those WHOM they lead understand this as well -- the future of The West ain't lookin' all that good.