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Title: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 21, 2016, 12:56:22 am
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Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
By T. Becket Adams (@becketadams) • 10/20/16 1:34 AM

Talk radio host Laura Ingraham claimed Thursday morning that conservatives who refuse to vote for GOP nominee Donald Trump explicitly support abortion.

"They're standing with the woman who stood up there today and said, 'I'm hundred percent for Roe v. Wade and partial birth abortion," Ingraham said in reference to Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's performance Wednesday evening at the third and final presidential debate.

"That's what 'Never Trump' stands for, I guess," she said during an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity. "Roe v. Wade and partial birth abortion. Fantastic."

Her remarks came as fellow Trump fan and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said that every evangelical and Roman Catholic must rally to the GOP nominee's side because of his promise to nominate pro-life justices to the Supreme Court.

Read More At: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/laura-ingraham-never-trump-stands-with-partial-birth/article/2605095
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: geronl on October 21, 2016, 12:56:48 am
Simply a bald-faced lie.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: geronl on October 21, 2016, 12:57:26 am
Ingraham has been a shill, now she is just a liar.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: HAPPY2BME on October 21, 2016, 01:03:04 am
Notice how quickly these liberals attack conservatives?
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: libertybele on October 21, 2016, 01:05:48 am
Laura Ingraham, "Kiss My Grits"!!!!      :silly:
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 21, 2016, 01:06:42 am
Notice how quickly these liberals attack conservatives?
Troll
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: geronl on October 21, 2016, 01:09:35 am
Laura Ingraham, "Kiss My Grits"!!!!      :silly:

or Kiss My Grist!
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on October 21, 2016, 01:19:03 am
Her remarks came as fellow Trump fan and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said that every evangelical and Roman Catholic must rally to Lucy's side because of her promise to hold the football this time.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: libertybele on October 21, 2016, 01:21:12 am
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftbm8EZZDqI
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: mystery-ak on October 21, 2016, 01:35:47 am
Trump was great the other night when he brought up abortion, I applauded...But for you Laura, to insinuate that conservatives who don't vote for your idol agree with abortionist.

My opinion of you Laura was more than you deserved....you my dear are not a conservative.

I know this because I am. My number one issue for years has been abortion. Everyone who knows me knows I am adamant about it.

Never Trumpers feel the same as I and how dare you throw this insult at us hoping that this will make us change our minds, for me it does the opposite...it sickens me that you have lowered yourself to this depth.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: American Faith Today on October 21, 2016, 01:43:05 am
Notice how quickly these liberals attack conservatives?

Yes

Yes I do notice how Laura Ingraham attacked conservatives.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 21, 2016, 01:44:31 am
Trump was great the other night when he brought abortion, I applauded...But for you Laura, to insinuate that conservatives who don't vote for your idol agree with abortionist.

My opinion of you Laura was more than you deserved....you my dear are not a conservative.

I know this because I am. My number one issue for years has been abortion. Everyone who knows me knows I am adamant about it.

Never Trumpers feel the same as I and how dare you throw this insult at us hoping that this will make us change our minds, for me it does the opposite...it sickens me that you have lowered yourself to this depth.
Back when I listened to conservative talk radio―this was about ten years ago―I came to the conclusion that Laura was a Republican first and a conservative second. It didn't seem to matter what kind of bad idea the GOP came up with, Ingraham was in favor of it (the exception being immigration). She wasn't so much a conservative thinker as she was a partisan parrot, spewing talking points (she even visited the White House for them at one point if I recall right).

It does not surprise me, as disappointing as it is, that Ingraham has resorted to this kind of rhetoric. It just shows, to me, the desperation and frustration that their guy is so unpalatable to such a huge population. I think most of the Trump caucus members assumed what would happen in '08 and '12 would happen again; we'd get behind Trump like we did Romney; the fact that it hasn't happened is unfathomable to them. With the weakest candidate in history against them, they are still completely oblivious how huge of a mistake it was to nominate the man who was known, from the beginning, to be the most objectionable candidate in the field.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Oceander on October 21, 2016, 01:46:06 am
Another Trumprostitute pipes up.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: American Faith Today on October 21, 2016, 01:53:24 am
I think this election has made it quite obvious that almost every single "conservative" radio talk show host is a party first Republican when it comes down to it.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: mystery-ak on October 21, 2016, 01:55:27 am
I think this election has made it quite obvious that almost every single "conservative" radio talk show host is a party first Republican when it comes down to it.

Yep...very disappointing eye opener...
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: geronl on October 21, 2016, 02:09:56 am
Another Trumprostitute pipes up.

Trump Escorts has another hire.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: sinkspur on October 21, 2016, 02:11:26 am
Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity should stop.  If they don't, the only audience they'll have are their true believers.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 21, 2016, 02:20:50 am
Notice how quickly these liberals attack conservatives?

Yes, you do, don't you??

How can you sleep at night, posting on a conservative forum as a liberal supporting a pro-abortion liberal like Trump??

Has your conscience been seared??  Have you asked God's forgiveness for all the lies you've told on this forum, and for your idolatry??

You have to be the least "happy" person on this forum, and among the least honest...

As for Laura the Liberal......... she should be ASHAMED of her attacks on conservatives and pro-abortion people (like me) who WILL NOT vote for PRO-ABORTION TRUMP.

These people had better be aware of their sin. 

God is not mocked.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: NavyCanDo on October 21, 2016, 02:22:39 am
Notice how quickly these liberals attack conservatives?

Troll much?
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 21, 2016, 02:23:47 am
Troll

He/she/it won't come back and debate, or defend his/her/its LIE.

He/she/it is the very definition of a troll.  He/she/it LITERALLY worships Trump and will slander and accuse falsely anyone who doesn't worship her golden calf.

Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 21, 2016, 03:49:22 am
I think this election has made it quite obvious that almost every single "conservative" radio talk show host is a party first Republican when it comes down to it.


In reality this election shows they don't want the GOP to win anything period. That is why almost of the talk shows supported Trump.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Hoodat on October 21, 2016, 03:52:15 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftbm8EZZDqI

Diane Ladd was the original Flo.
(https://weminoredinfilm.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/alice-doesnt-live-here-anymore_diane-ladd_1974.jpg)
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: American Faith Today on October 21, 2016, 03:55:50 am

In reality this election shows they don't want the GOP to win anything period. That is why almost of the talk shows supported Trump.

I guess that's another way to look at it.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on October 21, 2016, 04:01:31 am
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Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: DB on October 21, 2016, 04:51:38 am
I don't understand why people like Ingraham don't recognize that every time they say something like that they've burnt another bridge. There are bridges on fire all over the place and they just keep lighting more - and then claim they're trying to win... Incredibly stupid.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 21, 2016, 12:50:52 pm
I don't understand why people like Ingraham don't recognize that every time they say something like that they've burnt another bridge. There are bridges on fire all over the place and they just keep lighting more - and then claim they're trying to win... Incredibly stupid.

Good point.  Is Laura really stupid enough to think that people who oppose Trump because he is pro-abortion are really standing with Clinton who is pro-abortion??

She is either that stupid, that desperate, or that dishonest....

In any case she is driving principled pro-life people away from her, and farther away from Trump.

If it takes outright lies like this to bully people into voting for Trump, what person in his or her right mind would fall for it??

@DB
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: jpsb on October 21, 2016, 01:23:39 pm
Notice how quickly these liberals attack conservatives?
True that.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: jpsb on October 21, 2016, 01:27:03 pm
Trump was great the other night when he brought up abortion, I applauded...But for you Laura, to insinuate that conservatives who don't vote for your idol agree with abortionist.

My opinion of you Laura was more than you deserved....you my dear are not a conservative.

I know this because I am. My number one issue for years has been abortion. Everyone who knows me knows I am adamant about it.

Never Trumpers feel the same as I and how dare you throw this insult at us hoping that this will make us change our minds, for me it does the opposite...it sickens me that you have lowered yourself to this depth.

Hillary made it quite clear she is all in on abortion, even late term abortion. Trump stood solidly on the side of life. If your number one issue is abortion who do you want appointing Supreme Court Judges?
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Night Hides Not on October 21, 2016, 01:27:59 pm
I think this election has made it quite obvious that almost every single "conservative" radio talk show host is a party first Republican when it comes down to it.

Goes double for Salem Network, home to Mark Davis, Mike Gallagher, Hannity, etc.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: jpsb on October 21, 2016, 01:32:57 pm
Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity should stop.  If they don't, the only audience they'll have are their true believers.

Hannity now has the number one show on cable news. Megyn NeverTrump Kelly has the lowest 
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: sinkspur on October 21, 2016, 01:37:23 pm
Hannity now has the number one show on cable news. Megyn NeverTrump Kelly has the lowest

And what happens when Trump loses?  How long can he sustain his anger to keep those eyeballs on his show?

I don't really care about FOXNEWS any longer. I don't watch and won't.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 21, 2016, 01:39:24 pm
A Mitt Romney shill like LI has exactly ZERO credibility when bitching at ANYONE regarding the abortion issue.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: jpsb on October 21, 2016, 01:45:34 pm
A Mitt Romney shill like LI has exactly ZERO credibility when bitching at ANYONE regarding the abortion issue.

You're right Obama was a much better choice to be president. Look at all the wonderful thing O has done to the USA. Things I'm sure Hillary will build on.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 21, 2016, 01:48:29 pm
I don't understand why people like Ingraham don't recognize that every time they say something like that they've burnt another bridge. There are bridges on fire all over the place and they just keep lighting more - and then claim they're trying to win... Incredibly stupid.

There is a 'philosophy' of sorts that says "May the bridges I burn light my path ahead". Personally I subscribe to it. HOWEVER...

How you apply it is what matters most. Personally I have a clear idea of where I'm going and a clear set of principles that I'm not going to compromise 'no matter what'. They have not and will not be changing. So there is little point in worrying about people and issues that interfere with that behind me. They written off as a problem and I won't be revisiting them or relying on them for anything because I either don't trust them or reject their views/positions outright. They are the problem in my view, not an ally.

But I'm not a talking head that lives and dies by an audience who will watch my shows/buy my books/pay my salary. I'm just me. She is a person reliant on all those things. And her pond hopping on candidates, positions etc. is exactly why burning bridges is the wrong way to go about things for that to succeed.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 21, 2016, 01:52:30 pm
You're right Obama was a much better choice to be president. Look at all the wonderful thing O has done to the USA. Things I'm sure Hillary will build on.

He was. The most conservative guy actually won. He at least opposed homosexual marriage at one point. He also had a mirror record to Romney. Had you done your homework you'd know that. As bad as Barry is, and he assuredly is, Romney was Trump lite. Pathetically bad/evil/wrong. A known con man that had a record of liberalism and conservative haters. EDIT/HATING

And best of all, Conservatives were not responsible for EITHER Obama or Romney. Lesser evil voters were. And you stupidly did not learn your lesson.

Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: txradioguy on October 21, 2016, 02:01:50 pm
Hillary made it quite clear she is all in on abortion, even late term abortion. Trump stood solidly on the side of life.

Much like his sudden realization that he was a Republican after being a life long Dem...his conversion to Pro Life is shaky at best and not to be trusted.



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If your number one issue is abortion who do you want appointing Supreme Court Judges?

Neither.  Only a Kool-Aid drinking Trump supporter really believes he will appoint or even nominate anyone on that list he supposedly has.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: txradioguy on October 21, 2016, 02:11:41 pm
Hannity now has the number one show on cable news. Megyn NeverTrump Kelly has the lowest

Link?
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Axel on October 21, 2016, 02:41:50 pm
Trump was great the other night when he brought up abortion, I applauded...But for you Laura, to insinuate that conservatives who don't vote for your idol agree with abortionist.

My opinion of you Laura was more than you deserved....you my dear are not a conservative.

I know this because I am. My number one issue for years has been abortion. Everyone who knows me knows I am adamant about it.

Never Trumpers feel the same as I and how dare you throw this insult at us hoping that this will make us change our minds, for me it does the opposite...it sickens me that you have lowered yourself to this depth.

If you're allowing Trump to come between you and abortion, repudiating Trump is more important than the unborn. Which is fine, I guess, but at least we know where you stand.

Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: txradioguy on October 21, 2016, 02:44:24 pm
If you're allowing Trump to come between you and abortion, repudiating Trump is more important than the unborn. Which is fine, I guess, but at least we know where you stand.

You got that from what @mystery-ak said?

Here I think you might need to study this:

(http://pxhst.co/avaxhome/ab/7b/000e7bab_medium.jpeg)
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 21, 2016, 02:45:02 pm
If you're allowing Trump to come between you and abortion, repudiating Trump is more important than the unborn. Which is fine, I guess, but at least we know where you stand.

Don't you have a candidate that wants Planned Parenthood to be funded?

Yup. You do. So you are either clueless or a propagandist. Nether should be trusted. Neither is a pillar of conservatism.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 21, 2016, 02:46:01 pm
You got that from what @mystery-ak said?

Here I think you might need to study this:

(http://pxhst.co/avaxhome/ab/7b/000e7bab_medium.jpeg)

It's just another liberal going scorched earth as his candidate implodes.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Axel on October 21, 2016, 02:46:33 pm
Hillary made it quite clear she is all in on abortion, even late term abortion. Trump stood solidly on the side of life. If your number one issue is abortion who do you want appointing Supreme Court Judges?

Weak and feckless "conservatives" in Congress take their cues from weak "conservatives" here and elsewhere. Unwilling to stand up for what they believe in and quickly fold to the liberals every time.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 21, 2016, 02:49:21 pm
Weak and feckless "conservatives" in Congress take their cues from weak "conservatives" here and elsewhere. Unwilling to stand up for what they believe in and quickly fold to the liberals every time.

You wouldn't know a conservative if you met one.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Axel on October 21, 2016, 02:51:25 pm
You wouldn't know a conservative if you met one.

 :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2:
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: txradioguy on October 21, 2016, 02:54:25 pm
Weak and feckless "conservatives" in Congress take their cues from weak "conservatives" here and elsewhere. Unwilling to stand up for what they believe in and quickly fold to the liberals every time.

If Boehner and McConnell and the rest of the GOP leadership had listened to the type of Conservatives we have on this board and other Conservative political websites...there wouldn't have been a second Obama term, the entire laundry list of things Obama has done that are un/post Constitutional would have never happened and we wouldn't be in the weak position we are on the Global stage.

Instead like your idol...Orange Jesus...they spent more time trying to destroy anyone within their party that wouldn't go along with them.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 21, 2016, 02:54:37 pm
:tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2:

The demonstrated intellect of the Trump supporter.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: mystery-ak on October 21, 2016, 02:55:41 pm
Alright...back on topic please..
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 21, 2016, 03:15:37 pm
I won't abandon the unborn; because my self-righteousness is so important. Laura is absolutely correct.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 21, 2016, 03:17:45 pm
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Never Trumpers feel the same as I and how dare you throw this insult at us hoping that this will make us change our minds, for me it does the opposite...it sickens me that you have lowered yourself to this depth.

Does it bother one how merely being for the nominee subjects one to the most uncivil, hostile and basest comments.

Pot Kettle. And crocodile tears.

Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 21, 2016, 03:19:58 pm
There has never been a more pro-life Republican on the ticket than Mike Pence, never, not with Reagan, Palin nor anyone else and certainly not with Romney.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 21, 2016, 03:28:35 pm
I won't abandon the unborn; because my self-righteousness is so important. Laura is absolutely correct.

Sure you did. You support the guy that wants their killers paid.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Night Hides Not on October 21, 2016, 03:32:52 pm
If Boehner and McConnell and the rest of the GOP leadership had listened to the type of Conservatives we have on this board and other Conservative political websites...there wouldn't have been a second Obama term, the entire laundry list of things Obama has done that are un/post Constitutional would have never happened and we wouldn't be in the weak position we are on the Global stage.

Instead like your idol...Orange Jesus...they spent more time trying to destroy anyone within their party that wouldn't go along with them.

It was all, and still is, a pursuit of personal wealth and power by our "public servants" inside the Beltway. Boehner, McConnell, Ryan, are minor leaguers compared to the Clintons.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: txradioguy on October 21, 2016, 03:38:02 pm


Does it bother one how merely being for the nominee subjects one to the most uncivil, hostile and basest comments.

Pot Kettle. And crocodile tears.

Does it bother you how people who aren't bowing to Trump like you are...are subject "to the most uncivil hostile and basest comments"?

Or do you not see the double standard in what you're doing?
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 21, 2016, 04:11:25 pm
You Go Girl! Tell "Em Laura!

(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/fashion/daily/2016/07/21/21-laura-ingraham.w1200.h630.jpg)

They wanna abandon the most innocent, the least of our brothers, that's their problem,

I'm glad someone points that out.

Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: skeeter on October 21, 2016, 04:15:33 pm


KMA Laura.

YOU and your's shoved the WRONG guy down our throats.

Just admit it, you blew it.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: driftdiver on October 21, 2016, 04:30:23 pm
You Go Girl! Tell "Em Laura!

(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/fashion/daily/2016/07/21/21-laura-ingraham.w1200.h630.jpg)

They wanna abandon the most innocent, the least of our brothers, that's their problem,

I'm glad someone points that out.

@TomSea

Trump supports abortion.  Always has.  Planned parenthood does many "wonderful things" he says.

Trumps a crappy candidate and a crappy person.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Hoodat on October 21, 2016, 04:50:12 pm
There has never been a more pro-life Republican on the ticket than Mike Pence, never, not with Reagan, Palin nor anyone else and certainly not with Romney.

And until Trump, there had never been a Republican on the ticket that openly supported taxpayer subsidies for America's largest abortion provider.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Hoodat on October 21, 2016, 04:53:43 pm
Trump stood solidly on the side of life.

No, he didn't.  New York values, remember?

If your number one issue is abortion who do you want appointing Supreme Court Judges?

Ted Cruz.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Mom MD on October 21, 2016, 05:05:28 pm
Hillary made it quite clear she is all in on abortion, even late term abortion. Trump stood solidly on the side of life. If your number one issue is abortion who do you want appointing Supreme Court Judges?

I wish I could believe Trump was solidly on the side of life.  It would give me a reason to vote for him.  But this is the guy who praises planned parenthood and the wonderful things they do, and wants taxpayer support for the baby butchers.  He has also been pro abortion at times.  I honestly have no confidence that he is pro life and even if he is, how could he support a business who's primary job is dismembering babies and selling their organs?
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Mom MD on October 21, 2016, 05:06:19 pm
No, he didn't.  New York values, remember?

Ted Cruz.

 :amen:
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 21, 2016, 05:13:55 pm
I hope after this election a lot of talk shows go away, like Laura Ingraham..
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on October 21, 2016, 05:17:23 pm
Notice how quickly these liberals attack conservatives?
Yep, I expected more respect from Ingraham.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Resp3 on October 21, 2016, 05:22:22 pm

Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth



Ingraham is as dense as the fools who claim that as a Never Trumper; Hillary thanks me for my support.

Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2016, 05:23:56 pm
If you're allowing Trump to come between you and abortion, repudiating Trump is more important than the unborn. Which is fine, I guess, but at least we know where you stand.

Baloney.  Trump says whatever floats his little pea brain at any given moment in time.  Nobody can trust a damned thing he says NOW...since what he has said in the past conflicts 180 degrees with what he's saying in order to get elected.  My bet is ....if Trump has any honesty in him....it was back then when he wasn't running for office.  And back then he said his pro-partial-birth-abortion sister, a judge, would make a ""phenomenal"" USSC justice.  Nobody that opposes partial birth abortion could have or would have said that.  Nobody.

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Donald Trump told Mark Halperin yesterday that his sister, a federal judge, would be a “phenomenal” Supreme Court justice. He also said that “we will have to rule that out now, at least.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/423196/trump-praises-his-sister-pro-abortion-extremist-judge-ramesh-ponnuru
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: XenaLee on October 21, 2016, 05:26:17 pm

Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth



Ingraham is as dense as the fools who claim that as a Never Trumper; Hillary thanks me for my support.

Ingraham is yet another former "supposedly" conservative icon that I will never listen to again.  Ever.

Trump is pulling the mask off of everyone.  If nothing else, I suppose that could (later on) be seen as a good thing.  If we survive it.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 21, 2016, 05:32:30 pm

Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth



Ingraham is as dense as the fools who claim that as a Never Trumper; Hillary thanks me for my support.

At least, she's supporting someone who doesn't put Christians who have been in Iraq since right after Christ died, in the firing line.

Really brilliant.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 21, 2016, 05:33:33 pm
No, he didn't.  New York values, remember?

Ted Cruz.

And what has Ted Cruz done for the right to life, not 5% of what Governor Mike Pence has.

Remember?
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: txradioguy on October 21, 2016, 05:36:47 pm
You Go Girl! Tell "Em Laura!

(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/fashion/daily/2016/07/21/21-laura-ingraham.w1200.h630.jpg)

They wanna abandon the most innocent, the least of our brothers, that's their problem,

I'm glad someone points that out.

She has as much credibility on making those kinds of baseless statements at you do.


Which is exactly zero.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Resp3 on October 21, 2016, 05:42:12 pm
At least, she's supporting someone who doesn't put Christians who have been in Iraq since right after Christ died, in the firing line.

Really brilliant.

I'd ask what the HELL does that mean? What are you talking about. But I see this is just another Tom Sea effort to be meaningful.

FAIL.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: txradioguy on October 21, 2016, 05:44:44 pm
I hope after this election a lot of talk shows go away, like Laura Ingraham..

A lot of them will end up on CNN or MSNBC as hosts.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 21, 2016, 06:41:42 pm
I'd ask what the HELL does that mean? What are you talking about. But I see this is just another Tom Sea effort to be meaningful.

FAIL.

I don't even think he's trying to be "meaningful" any more.   He's just ranting as though his mind is gone.......

The trolls are getting desperate.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 21, 2016, 06:44:49 pm
@TomSea

Trump supports abortion.  Always has.  Planned parenthood does many "wonderful things" he says.

Trumps a crappy candidate and a crappy person.

Glad to be agreeing with you here.

One of the first and most significant reasons I decided I could not vote for Trump was that he was solidly pro-abortion, including partial birth abortion.

I do not vote for people who believe that it's OK to suck the brains out of another human being.

Trump does.

Therefore, I cannot vote for him.


(And Laura Ingraham is an utter fool for saying what she said here.  The truth destroys her flim flam argument).
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 21, 2016, 06:47:54 pm
I won't abandon the unborn; because my self-righteousness is so important. Laura is absolutely correct.

You abandoned the unborn when you fell in love with pro-abortion Donald Trump.

YOU ABANDONED THE UNBORN BY SUPPORTING TRUMP.

Understand???

YOU....... YOU........ abandoned the unborn by forcing PRO-ABORTION TRUMP as a pseudo-Republican candidate.

YOU!!

@TomSea ............ YOU!!!!!
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 21, 2016, 06:50:45 pm
If you're allowing Trump to come between you and abortion, repudiating Trump is more important than the unborn. Which is fine, I guess, but at least we know where you stand.

mystery is a strong PRO-LIFE Conservative.

Trump is a pro-abortion liberal.

Everyone here knows that you Trump trolls are standing for a pro-abortion candidate.

Everyone who trolls for Trump supports a pro-abortion liberal.

That includes Laura Ingraham.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 21, 2016, 07:06:21 pm
And what has Ted Cruz done for the right to life, not 5% of what Governor Mike Pence has.

Remember?
Nice canard. I voted for the Vice Presidential candidate once.  **nononono* Not again.

You see, Tom, the Vice President only gets to break ties in the Senate, when they happen.
which isn't often.
They put no Bills in the hopper.
They sign nothing into law.
They don't play on opening night, they are the understudy waiting in the wings.
They, beyond that one vote, once in a while, have no power at all.

Effectively, as a Senator, Ted Cruz will have as much or more power than the Vice President, because he gets to vote on every Bill and Resolution.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Axel on October 21, 2016, 07:06:56 pm


Does it bother one how merely being for the nominee subjects one to the most uncivil, hostile and basest comments.

Pot Kettle. And crocodile tears.

@TomSea

There's a contingent here that loathes Trump and by proxy, his supporters.

It is a sad, all consuming hatred. Look at how quick they have turned on their own. For some people, even ambivalence towards Trump is too much support, worthy of reprimand and scolding. The only reason I continue to post here in spite of all the meanness is I refuse to succumb to it.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on October 21, 2016, 07:08:56 pm
@TomSea

There's a contingent here that loathes Trump and by proxy, his supporters.

It is a sad, all consuming hatred. Look at how quick they have turned on their own. For some people, even ambivalence towards Trump is too much support, worthy of reprimand and scolding. The only reason I continue to post here in spite of all the meanness is I refuse to succumb to it.
For you to say that on a thread accusing #Never Trump of being in favor of murdering babies, that's pretty deep. And I mean in the shovel ready sense.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 21, 2016, 07:10:44 pm
@TomSea

There's a contingent here that loathes Trump and by proxy, his supporters.

It is a sad, all consuming hatred. Look at how quick they have turned on their own. For some people, even ambivalence towards Trump is too much support, worthy of reprimand and scolding. The only reason I continue to post here in spite of all the meanness is I refuse to succumb to it.

Are you a fiction writer by trade, Axel??  Because this is off-the-wall fictional.

Trump is pro-abortion, and you and Laura Ingraham are trolling for him.

Why are you supporting a pro-abortion liberal and falsely claiming to be a conservative??

Does it stem from your deep seeded hatred for Conservatives?  Or is it integrity you despise??
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 21, 2016, 07:11:38 pm
For you to say that on a thread accusing #Never Trump of being in favor of murdering babies, that's pretty deep. And I mean in the shovel ready sense.

Ugly stuff spews from the keyboards of pro-abortion Trump lovers......
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: txradioguy on October 21, 2016, 07:13:39 pm
@TomSea

There's a contingent here that loathes Trump and by proxy, his supporters.

It is a sad, all consuming hatred. Look at how quick they have turned on their own. For some people, even ambivalence towards Trump is too much support, worthy of reprimand and scolding. The only reason I continue to post here in spite of all the meanness is I refuse to succumb to it.

You do realize...nah you don't ...so let me tell you...the reason so many of us have the reaction we do to Trump is based not only on his own erratic and out of control behavior...but it's also tied to the way his supporters on the various websites treat anyone who doesn't worship at Trump's feet the way they do.

We react to the bully behavior of the Trumpkins.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on October 21, 2016, 07:15:37 pm
Ugly stuff spews from the keyboards of pro-abortion Trump lovers......
Well to be fair I don't doubt that their heart is in the right place. @TomSea for instance has done a good job keeping us up to date with new articles on the pro life news on this forum.

But I would like to see some respect that we aren't on the side of abortion either. Just my dos centavos.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 21, 2016, 07:17:31 pm
@TomSea

There's a contingent here that loathes Trump and by proxy, his supporters.

See, you'de be wrong as usual. We loathe Trump as a politician. We loathe Trumps behavior, his flip flopping and his overall liberal history. But he is what he is. He can be no other.

YOU on the other hand are living vicariously through him. You have a choice to be 'other' and you won't. You parrot every bad thing about Trump as if you always held his beliefs as your own. Even when they invariably change week to week. Thats a whole other level of disgust we have for you.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: mystery-ak on October 21, 2016, 07:18:23 pm
Quote
It is a sad, all consuming hatred. Look at how quick they have turned on their own. For some people, even ambivalence towards Trump is too much support, worthy of reprimand and scolding. The only reason I continue to post here in spite of all the meanness is I refuse to succumb to it.



There are a lot of people here who do not like Trump but are going to vote for him because they dislike Hillary more.

There is no consuming hatred here...most here feel the need to confront and defend their conservative positions....we would all love to be united behind one conservative candidate but that isn't the case.

Sorry you feel the hatred here as I don't think anyone here wants that to happen.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 21, 2016, 07:29:42 pm
Well to be fair I don't doubt that their heart is in the right place. @TomSea for instance has done a good job keeping us up to date with new articles on the pro life news on this forum.

But I would like to see some respect that we aren't on the side of abortion either. Just my dos centavos.

I'm sorry to disagree with you, but I highly doubt that Tom's heart is in the right place.

If it were, he would know that Trump is pro-abortion, that he STILL supports Planned Parenthood, even since he started pretending (i.e. lying) about being a Republican.

The fact of the matter is, that one of the main reasons so many of us are so strongly against Trump is that we are STRONGLY Pro-LIFE.

To come on a vile thread like this, where Laura Ingraham has made ugly, false accusations about people who are CLEARLY more pro-life that she is (since she's in love with Trump), and accuse Conservative Pro-Lifers of being pro-abortion is the lowest of the low.

If Tom's heart is in the right place, he'll stop lying about those of us for whom the life of the unborn is the highest priority.

It cannot be a priority to someone who is trolling for Trump.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 21, 2016, 07:31:38 pm
@TomSea

There's a contingent here that loathes Trump and by proxy, his supporters.

It is a sad, all consuming hatred. Look at how quick they have turned on their own. For some people, even ambivalence towards Trump is too much support, worthy of reprimand and scolding. The only reason I continue to post here in spite of all the meanness is I refuse to succumb to it.
I have no use for Trump, am surprised the GOP voters in sufficient number fell for that charlatan, and keep in mind that was less than half of the ballots cast, with an unknown number of Democrat and other crossover votes.
I have been well reminded that there are huge numbers of Republicans out there who would be all for boiling kittens alive if that was the position their candidate espoused during the general election. Party before principle.
I can understand the concept of people wanting their "Party" to win, regardless of what that party stands for.
What I do not understand nor endorse is the abandonment of principle to "win".
That is the very 'ends justify the means' argument the Liberals use, and what's worse, if the party stands for no principles, just "winning", then that is a hollow "victory" indeed. You only fall prey to electing people with the same principles as the other Party's people, at which point the only significant difference is the label on the package. It is still poison inside.

I don't hate anyone, not even Trump, but I find the lies, the corruption, the gross emotional manipulation of the uninformed, and the misrepresentation of a set of beliefs as something they are not to be anathema.
Those who embrace such tactics for deception or trickery to attempt to secure an electoral victory which would effectively mean the Republican Party disavows the very conservative principles many of us hold fast to, may do so, but will do so without our support, now, and in some cases ever again.
The Party name will have become meaningless in terms of ideology, just another label. Sorry, But I don't ride for that brand.

If you choose to embrace that, you are not one of 'my own', you have just exposed yourself as someone who is not an ally. So, just because we have realized the schism that exists there, doesn't mean anyone turned on anyone, or that we hate anyone, just that you have turned your back on principle to support Party, and there we part company.

Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Rivergirl on October 21, 2016, 07:36:30 pm
Those who profess to be pro life cannot possibly promote tRump.   He was for partial birth abortion when he was a NY dem  He proclaimed support for Planned Parenthood on one of the first days out as a republican.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 21, 2016, 07:41:42 pm
Those who profess to be pro life cannot possibly promote tRump.   He was for partial birth abortion when he was a NY dem  He proclaimed support for Planned Parenthood on one of the first days out as a republican.

Exactly.  Trump openly supported killing babies being born after it was well known that it was outright murder to do so.

The horror of the act was out there, and he still supported it.

Pretending to be pro-life to run for the presidency and still being stupid and pro-abortion enough to publicly praise (not just support, but PRAISE) the vilest, most evil organization on earth, should prove to anyone who cares that Trump is still a leftist pro-abort.

That's why Ingraham's filthy attack on pro-lifers is so low.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Resp3 on October 21, 2016, 08:21:11 pm
Why don't we let Trump explain his views on abortion...

Trump: I would change GOP platform on abortion


CNN — Donald Trump said Thursday he would change the Republican Party platform's position on abortion to include exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother.

Trump made the remarks during a town hall on the "Today" show on NBC on Thursday morning when host Savannah Guthrie asked him about abortion exceptions.

"The Republican platform every four years has a provision that states that the right of the unborn child should not be infringed," Guthrie said. "And it makes no exceptions for rape, for incest, for the life of the mother. Would you want to change the Republican platform to include the (abortion) exceptions that you have?"



"Yes, I would. Yes, I would. Absolutely," Trump said. "For the three exceptions, I would."

Currently, the Republican platform abortion policy reads: "We assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed."

more...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/21/politics/donald-trump-republican-platform-abortion/index.html
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 21, 2016, 09:03:48 pm
Why don't we let Trump explain his views on abortion...


The problem with that is that it assumes that Trump is telling the truth.  And since he lies at least half of the time he speaks, one can't rely on anything he says at any time as being truthful.

Now he's running as a "Republican" so he's pretending to be more pro-life than he is.   What he said before he was running was more reliable as to what he actually thinks.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Resp3 on October 21, 2016, 09:18:16 pm
The problem with that is that it assumes that Trump is telling the truth.  And since he lies at least half of the time he speaks, one can't rely on anything he says at any time as being truthful.

Now he's running as a "Republican" so he's pretending to be more pro-life than he is.   What he said before he was running was more reliable as to what he actually thinks.


Actually it's hard to tell when Trump is lying or truthing when it comes to abortion...

Donald Trump took 5 different positions on abortion in 3 days


But as it turns out — and as it has turned out repeatedly over the course of his life — that was not, in fact, Trump’s final position on the subject. This past week alone, he has held multiple contradicting positions, including that one. So we figured that a timeline was in order, so that you could see the date and time and know, concretely, what Trump’s abortion position was at that moment.

Though he might deny it.

April 1989

Trump co-sponsored a dinner at the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan (which he then owned) honoring Robin Chandler Duke, a former president of NARAL. He chose not to attend, the New York Times reported, after his family was threatened by anti-abortion activists.


more....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trumps-ever-shifting-positions-on-abortion/


Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: GtHawk on October 21, 2016, 09:18:51 pm
And what has Ted Cruz done for the right to life, not 5% of what Governor Mike Pence has.

Remember?
Pence is on the ballot for President? News to me. Unless Trump is elected, alternate reality maybe, and dies, Pence aint nothin but a doorstop in the White House, the V.P. doesn't have spit to do with policy and Trump doesn't listen to anything except maybe the little head between his legs and whats sad is that is the smarter one.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: corbe on October 21, 2016, 09:25:18 pm
  Pence sold out his constituents when he refused to sign the 'Religious Liberty' Bill his state congress put before him. Just another sellout politician.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on October 21, 2016, 09:30:23 pm
Trump made the remarks during a town hall on the "Today" show on NBC on Thursday morning when host Savannah Guthrie asked him about abortion exceptions.

"The Republican platform every four years has a provision that states that the right of the unborn child should not be infringed," Guthrie said. "And it makes no exceptions for rape, for incest, for the life of the mother. Would you want to change the Republican platform to include the (abortion) exceptions that you have?"

"Yes, I would. Yes, I would. Absolutely," Trump said. "For the three exceptions, I would."


Isn't that such a typical Trump answer? No real depth. No true conviction. He's asked a leading question by a leftist host and gives a lame, squishy answer. But on Wednesday night, he was immovable in his denouncement of partial-birth abortion. Uh, Donald. You do know what "excuse" is used to perform partial birth abortion, right? Let's all say it together, folks: "the life of the mother."


As for the rape exception...
Click here-->There are no orphans of God; God leaves no one behind. Rape exception abortion kills who God has created for His purpose and plan. ALL LIFE HAS VALUE.  (https://keeplifelegal.com/2015/07/18/rape-conceived-the-plan-of-god-part-one/) Unfortunately, Mr. Robison has embraced the dark side, having become a member of the gang of Christian apologists.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 21, 2016, 09:38:43 pm

Actually it's hard to tell when Trump is lying or truthing when it comes to abortion...

Donald Trump took 5 different positions on abortion in 3 days


But as it turns out — and as it has turned out repeatedly over the course of his life — that was not, in fact, Trump’s final position on the subject. This past week alone, he has held multiple contradicting positions, including that one. So we figured that a timeline was in order, so that you could see the date and time and know, concretely, what Trump’s abortion position was at that moment.

Though he might deny it.

April 1989

Trump co-sponsored a dinner at the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan (which he then owned) honoring Robin Chandler Duke, a former president of NARAL. He chose not to attend, the New York Times reported, after his family was threatened by anti-abortion activists.


more....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trumps-ever-shifting-positions-on-abortion/

Proof that he makes it up as he goes along with no regard to truth.

If any pro-lifer has listened to him babble and bobble on the subject of the sanctity of life, you know that he never gave the subject a serious thought before someone asked him.

And if anyone, including Laura Ingraham, thinks he is actually pro-life, they're deluding themselves.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: GtHawk on October 21, 2016, 09:41:50 pm
@TomSea

There's a contingent here that loathes Trump and by proxy, his supporters.

It is a sad, all consuming hatred. Look at how quick they have turned on their own. For some people, even ambivalence towards Trump is too much support, worthy of reprimand and scolding. The only reason I continue to post here in spite of all the meanness is I refuse to succumb to it.
I don't loath all Trump supporters, only the mindless trumpkins that gobble up every bit of gibberish that he utters as gospel and insult, ridicule and attempt to minimize anyone that won't swear fealty to their Orange Julius. But you are right about one thing I do loath Trump, just as much as I loath Clinton, they both believe they are entitled to do whatever they want.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 21, 2016, 09:51:28 pm
Hannity now has the number one show on cable news. Megyn NeverTrump Kelly has the lowest
First off, being the number one cable news show is like being the tallest midget. Less than 1% of the American public watches those shows, and even then, it's mostly over 50.

Second, do you not remember Kelly's gushing interview with Trump?

Third, NPR has soared past Hannity in listenership. He's being outdrawn by All Things Considered now. He's lost at least 10% of his listenership, and that was BEFORE Talkers magazine stopped measuring earlier this year.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: libertybele on October 21, 2016, 10:17:13 pm
Donald Trump on abortion:

   - Millions are helped by Planned Parenthood, but defund it. (Feb 2016)
   - Planned Parenthood does great work on women's health. (Feb 2016)
   - Defund Planned Parenthood. (Oct 2015)
   -Planned Parenthood is important, but abortions must stop. (Aug 2015)
    -I have evolved on abortion issue, like Reagan evolved. (Aug 2015)
  -  Ban late abortions; exceptions for rape, incest or health. (Jun 2015)
  -  Undecided on embryonic stem cell research. (Apr 2011)
  -  I am now pro-life; after years of being pro-choice. (Apr 2011)
  -  I changed my views to pro-life based on personal stories. (Apr 2011)
  -  I am pro-life; fight ObamaCare abortion funding. (Feb 2011)
   - Pro-choice, but ban partial birth abortion. (Jul 2000)
  -  Favors abortion rights but respects opposition. (Dec 1999)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

Trump quotes on abortion:

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Abortion.htm
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Hoodat on October 21, 2016, 10:22:39 pm

There's a contingent here that loathes Trump and by proxy, his supporters.


There is a contingent here that loathes liberals.  Trump is a liberal and so are his supporters.  Not hard to figure out.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: geronl on October 22, 2016, 12:12:50 am
He postulated about 6 different positions in 24 hours in April and settled on keeping the abortion laws as they are.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Axel on October 22, 2016, 02:22:18 pm
Those who profess to be pro life cannot possibly promote tRump.   He was for partial birth abortion when he was a NY dem  He proclaimed support for Planned Parenthood on one of the first days out as a republican.

Hillary was also a Goldwater Girl. Are you going to vote for her because she's a bastion of conservatism?
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Axel on October 22, 2016, 02:28:38 pm
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If Tom's heart is in the right place, he'll stop lying about those of us for whom the life of the unborn is the highest priority.

No, the life of the unborn must necessarily fall somewhere below repudiating Trump on your list of priorities.

Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Axel on October 22, 2016, 02:36:25 pm


There are a lot of people here who do not like Trump but are going to vote for him because they dislike Hillary more.

There is no consuming hatred here...most here feel the need to confront and defend their conservative positions....we would all love to be united behind one conservative candidate but that isn't the case.

Sorry you feel the hatred here as I don't think anyone here wants that to happen.

Look at the post right before yours by @Norm Lenhart for a lovely example.

Quote
YOU on the other hand are living vicariously through him. You have a choice to be 'other' and you won't. You parrot every bad thing about Trump as if you always held his beliefs as your own. Even when they invariably change week to week. Thats a whole other level of disgust we have for you.



Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 02:40:03 pm
Look at the post right before yours by @Norm Lenhart for a lovely example.

People have disgust for you Trump fanatics. Lots of it. You brought it on yourself with your disgusting actions in support of a madman. Thats the reality you created here and in the real world.

If the shoe fits, wear it. If the truth hurts, good.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 22, 2016, 02:44:26 pm
No, the life of the unborn must necessarily fall somewhere below repudiating Trump on your list of priorities.

I'm going to assume you're not as dense as the things you post, and explain it clearly.......

It is precisely BECAUSE my first priority is the life of the unborn that I repudiate pro-abortion Trump.

And accusing people whose priority is the life of the unborn of being pro-abortion because we can't support pro-abortion Trump is the filthiest attack you can level at pro-lifers.  (Laura Ingraham had better beg forgiveness from the Almighty God for this lie).

But this depth of smearing is not a surprise, considering how filthy the attacks Trumpists level have always been......

This one may be second only to accusing Ted Cruz' father of killing Kennedy.

It's vile, Axel, and you are vile for making the accusation.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 22, 2016, 02:47:26 pm
People have disgust for you Trump fanatics. Lots of it. You brought it on yourself with your disgusting actions in support of a madman. Thats the reality you created here and in the real world.

If the shoe fits, wear it. If the truth hurts, good.

I'm beginning to wonder if some of them even have a conscience left.

The lies are so egregious, it's hard to grasp what's going on in the soul of those leveling these attacks.

When I think about it, they use our morality against us, our Christianity against us, our pro-life passion against us.

It doesn't take a brilliant theologian to figure out where these attacks originate.....

And it's not a good place.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Axel on October 22, 2016, 02:49:05 pm
I'm going to assume you're not as dense as the things you post, and explain it clearly.......

It is precisely BECAUSE my first priority is the life of the unborn that I repudiate pro-abortion Trump.

And accusing people whose priority is the life of the unborn of being pro-abortion because we can't support pro-abortion Trump is the filthiest attack you can level at pro-lifers.  (Laura Ingraham had better beg forgiveness from the Almighty God for this lie).

But this depth of smearing is not a surprise, considering how filthy the attacks Trumpists level have always been......

This one may be second only to accusing Ted Cruz' father of killing Kennedy.

It's vile, Axel, and you are vile for making the accusation.

Don't act offended, because you're not. You can dish it out, and I know you can take it.

You repudiate "pro-abortion Trump"  which necessarily allows Hillary the baby killer to take the throne. Your cognitive dissonance is impressive.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 02:50:30 pm
I'm beginning to wonder if some of them even have a conscience left.

The lies are so egregious, it's hard to grasp what's going on in the soul of those leveling these attacks.

When I think about it, they use our morality against us, our Christianity against us, our pro-life passion against us.

It doesn't take a brilliant theologian to figure out where these attacks originate.....

And it's not a good place.

Been telling you for a while now they are liberals. You'll see it eventually ;)

They are what their actions show they are. No more, no less. Liberals have no conscience. History begins anew every morning for them and they feel, not think, What ever they feel is what is that day. Tomorrow may be different.

No conscience, no principle.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 02:51:25 pm
Don't act offended, because you're not. You can dish it out, and I know you can take it.

You repudiate "pro-abortion Trump"  which necessarily allows Hillary the baby killer to take the throne. Your cognitive dissonance is impressive.

Hit dog howls. You're howling an awful lot as Trump gets closer to his deserved defeat.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 22, 2016, 02:52:45 pm
Been telling you for a while now they are liberals. You'll see it eventually ;)

They are what their actions show they are. No more, no less. Liberals have no conscience. History begins anew every morning for them and they fell, not think, What ever they feel is what is that day. Tomorrow may be different.

No conscience, no principle.

I think that "no conscience, no principle" is far beyond just liberalism.  The fact that they're avidly supporting, lying for, cheating for, bullying for Trump is proof positive that they're liberals.  No question about that.

But their problem is deeper, and spiritual in nature.

There's something very, very wrong with what they're doing, and their lack of conscience in doing it.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 02:56:10 pm
I think that "no conscience, no principle" is far beyond just liberalism.  The fact that they're avidly supporting, lying for, cheating for, bullying for Trump is proof positive that they're liberals.  No question about that.

But their problem is deeper, and spiritual in nature.

There's something very, very wrong with what they're doing, and their lack of conscience in doing it.

Thats the very thing that makes them liberals. It's why they choose liberalism. Liberalism allows them to be completely free of any responsibility.

Do as thou will shall be the while of the law.
-Alester Crowley
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 22, 2016, 02:56:18 pm
Don't act offended, because you're not. You can dish it out, and I know you can take it.

You repudiate "pro-abortion Trump"  which necessarily allows Hillary the baby killer to take the throne. Your cognitive dissonance is impressive.

I'm never offended by a Trump troll without a conscience. 

So set your little mind at ease.

I'm not voting for pro-abortion Trump.  No cognitive dissonance.

It's called integrity.  Ethics.  Morality.

And no amount of lying from you is going to take those things away from me.

You lose, Axel.

You ALWAYS lose.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Axel on October 22, 2016, 02:56:27 pm
Hit dog howls. You're howling an awful lot as Trump gets closer to his deserved defeat.

 22222frying pan
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 02:58:23 pm
22222frying pan

See? You turn to violence whenever you can't handle the truth. ;)
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: aligncare on October 22, 2016, 03:36:41 pm

Move along, Axel. Nothing to see here. No visible hatred anywhere(!).

They just want to share their Coca-Cola with you and teach you how to sing.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 03:38:36 pm
Move along, Axel. Nothing to see here. No visible hatred anywhere(!).

They just want to share their Coca-Cola with you and teach you how to sing.

Don't you have an Alt Right meeting to attend on your new home, Kitty? The one you trash TBR from?

Any new race cards to throw today?
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Hoodat on October 22, 2016, 03:57:56 pm
No, the life of the unborn must necessarily fall somewhere below repudiating Trump on your list of priorities.

If the life of the unborn was a priority, then Trump never would have been the nominee.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: txradioguy on October 22, 2016, 04:00:25 pm
Move along, Axel. Nothing to see here. No visible hatred anywhere(!).

They just want to share their Coca-Cola with you and teach you how to sing.

Amazing how you can dish out the crap...but you can't take it.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 22, 2016, 04:24:42 pm
Thats the very thing that makes them liberals. It's why they choose liberalism. Liberalism allows them to be completely free of any responsibility.

Do as thou will shall be the while of the law.
-Alester Crowley

I respectfully disagree, Norm.  Not about liberalism, but about these few trolls who taint this forum.

The lies, the support for depravity, the disregard for the lives of the unborn, the mocking of people with moral standards...... these are signs of a deeper issue than just politics.  There's a warped sense of self here.

I know people who are liberal politically, but are still ethical.  I know people who are liberal politically who are still kind.  I know people who are liberal politically who still treat others with respect.

These people are both liberal and empty.  They are arguing that wrong is better than right.  That evil is better than good.

As I said before, the source of the lies they're telling isn't difficult to figure out.

No doubt that they are liberals.  NO conservative cheerleads for Trump.  NONE.  But there's far more wrong than that here.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 22, 2016, 04:26:48 pm
If the life of the unborn was a priority, then Trump never would have been the nominee.

This is the core of the issue.

IF these Trumpists cared a thing about the unborn, they would never have supported Trump in the first place.

The fact that they are using our pro-life ethics against us in bullying us to vote for pro-abortion Trump is an indication of a deep hypocrisy and inability to tell right from wrong.

If they cared about the unborn, they would have been against Trump from Day One. 

But they didn't.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: txradioguy on October 22, 2016, 04:35:12 pm
Look at the post right before yours by @Norm Lenhart for a lovely example.

So the feeling is mutual then.

Don't even pretend that your level of disgust for people here who don't bow to Orange Wonderful doesn't seep through in almost every post you make.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 04:38:45 pm
I respectfully disagree, Norm.  Not about liberalism, but about these few trolls who taint this forum.

The lies, the support for depravity, the disregard for the lives of the unborn, the mocking of people with moral standards...... these are signs of a deeper issue than just politics.  There's a warped sense of self here.

I know people who are liberal politically, but are still ethical.  I know people who are liberal politically who are still kind.  I know people who are liberal politically who still treat others with respect.

These people are both liberal and empty.  They are arguing that wrong is better than right.  That evil is better than good.

As I said before, the source of the lies they're telling isn't difficult to figure out.

No doubt that they are liberals.  NO conservative cheerleads for Trump.  NONE.  But there's far more wrong than that here.

I agree. Maybe I could/should have explained my view better.

I personally use the word "Liberal" and "Evil"pretty much interchangeably. All liberals are evil. There is nothing good in or about liberals. Likewise, all evil is just liberalism. Liberalism is 'anything goes'. Crowley summed up his philosophy "Do as thou will shall be the whole of the law." Biblicallly, the whole fall from grace was Lucifer embodying that and in fact, where it derived from.

So yes, I completely agree with your thoughts that there is something far deeper wrong with them. They lie with no remorse when the truth would serve them and America better. They completely rewrite history. they have flipped good and evil on it's head. They excuse every evil Trump forwards and rail against any calling him on it. They threaten violence. They willingly trade babies lives for votes and condemn any trying to stop it. They excuse sexual assault against women. They have nearly filled the bingo card of identifiers.

Liberal - Evil. Zero difference.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 22, 2016, 04:45:15 pm
There's an expression, "Perfection is the enemy of the possible",

Senator Ted Cruz co-sponsored the "the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act"  prohibiting abortions after 20 weeks.

There were some folks even complaining "Well, that means a baby can be aborted in the first 20 weeks";

It's more important to get things done, not be so pure in one's views that nothing can get done.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 04:47:21 pm
There's an expression, "Perfection is the enemy of the possible",

Senator Ted Cruz co-sponsored the "the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act"  prohibiting abortions after 20 weeks.

There were some folks even complaining "Well, that means a baby can be aborted in the first 20 weeks";

It's more important to get things done, not be so pure in one's views that nothing can get done.

You have repeatedly shown poor judgement in your reasoning. This post is no exception. You are simply approving abortion on your personal terms.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 22, 2016, 04:50:20 pm
Those who profess to be pro life cannot possibly promote tRump.   He was for partial birth abortion when he was a NY dem  He proclaimed support for Planned Parenthood on one of the first days out as a republican.

So according to this logic, Ronald Reagan who signed abortion into California law, could never be considered a Pro-Lifer.

Thanks for playing!  **nononono*
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 22, 2016, 04:53:43 pm
Quote
If Tom's heart is in the right place, he'll stop lying about those of us for whom the life of the unborn is the highest priority.

I've no idea who wrote this; but I've got 25 years of voting for Pro-Life candidates,

But it's beyond voting, it's working in a crisis pregnancy center, taking part in pro-life marches and praying at abortion clinics.

Now, please tell me, whomever wrote this, just what you have done for the Pro-Life movement,

Let's match it up.

And I will add on, I read pro-life news daily, I have donated to the pro-life movement as well.

Et Tu!

Inquiring minds want to know.

Mike Pence is the most pro-life Republican ever on the ticket,

More than Ryan, Palin and Reagan.

This line of questioning is like fish in the barrel.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: txradioguy on October 22, 2016, 04:54:01 pm
So according to this logic, Ronald Reagan who signed abortion into California law, could never be considered a Pro-Lifer.

Thanks for playing!  **nononono*

Talk about taking things completely out of contest.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 22, 2016, 04:55:59 pm
Talk about taking things completely out of contest.

Your talking about it alright. Good.

Some comeback, and "contest" as well.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 22, 2016, 05:02:16 pm
Talk about taking things completely out of contest.

He HAS to take things out of context to keep perpetuating his lies.

This one is a master at distortion and deceit.

However, he's completely transparent, and therefore fails in all he attempts.

The lies aren't working because people here are too informed and too intelligent to fall for his Trumpian idiocy.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Sanguine on October 22, 2016, 05:06:50 pm
I finally read this article.  I used to listen to Ingraham years ago, and for the most part, I liked her POV.  A little too hard-core newly-minted Catholic for me, but that was my only real disagreement with her.  I found her to be a clear thinker and fearless in examining, discerning and exposing evil.

This is extremely disappointing.  She's lost all objectivity and rationality. 
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 22, 2016, 05:09:01 pm
I've been pro-life since I found out about in elementary school, Catholic School;

If folks don't want to support a ticket with the most Pro-Life Republican ever on it, Mike Pence, that's your decision.  It's not my problem.

Anti-Trumpers need not take cheap shots on others and accuse people of lying.

Does one want a list of pro-life endorsements of Trump,

Operation Rescue, Rick Perry, and on and on it goes.

I hope Mod3 steps in on these personal attacks, I'm not confrontational, so once the insult flag goes up, I won't read anymore of those posts.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 22, 2016, 05:10:36 pm
Laura Ingraham likewise is a reknown Pro-Lifer, maybe a convert to Catholicism, so if one wants to attack people with long records of being pro-life, that's not my problem.

Trump has many pro-life supporters, insult them all if that is what it takes.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 05:12:06 pm
I've been pro-life since I found out about in elementary school, Catholic School;

If folks don't want to support a ticket with the most Pro-Life Republican ever on it, Mike Pence, that's your decision.  It's not my problem.

Anti-Trumpers need not take cheap shots on others and accuse people of lying.

Does one want a list of pro-life endorsements of Trump,

Operation Rescue, Rick Perry, and on and on it goes.

I hope Mod3 steps in on these personal attacks, I'm not confrontational, so once the insult flag goes up, I won't read anymore of those posts.

I'm still waiting for your answer about voting for Abortion profiteer Romney. Did I miss it? Did you vote for him? That would tell everyone about how serious you are about abortion as a base. We can get into Trump later.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Sanguine on October 22, 2016, 05:14:53 pm
I've been pro-life since I found out about in elementary school, Catholic School;

If folks don't want to support a ticket with the most Pro-Life Republican ever on it, Mike Pence, that's your decision.  It's not my problem.
......

Does one want a list of pro-life endorsements of Trump,

Operation Rescue, Rick Perry, and on and on it goes.

.....

Tom, I don't think that's fair.  The argument that I have with Trump and the subject of abortion is that he has spoken on both sides of the abortion issue - that's not my opinion; that's provable fact.  If he says he is now anti-abortion, I applaud him, however, as a rational person, I have to insist on objective proof that he has changed. So far, that isn't available. 

Here's to hoping that he has changed.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: ABX on October 22, 2016, 05:14:56 pm
Only one candidate out of all of them, that I'm aware of, actually directly paid for abortions (versus indirect legislative funding), and that's the one she supports.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: XenaLee on October 22, 2016, 05:15:03 pm
He HAS to take things out of context to keep perpetuating his lies.

This one is a master at distortion and deceit.

However, he's completely transparent, and therefore fails in all he attempts.

The lies aren't working because people here are too informed and too intelligent to fall for his Trumpian idiocy.

The propagandist Trumpocrats are only too transparent to those of us conservatives that know them for what they are and for what they supposedly stand for.  Truth is...they stand for nothing.  It's all "negotiable" with them.  Their "core values" are like a pile of leaves, easily blown by the wind....the wind being the blowhard Trump.   And they, like Trump, have proven themselves to be highly flexible when it comes to ethics and moral stances.  As illustrated by how they have championed every flip-flop and every walk-back and betrayal of conservative values that Trump has made.   

As for those that will vote for Trump despite his obvious flaws.... Trump and his core group of leftist cohorts have to be laughing themselves silly at how easily duped and fooled people are these days.  Give people no choice and they will vote for what they "perceive" as the least damaging candidate.  Problem is.... both candidates are of the same ilk....so the perception is skewed and faulty. 

This is an historic election.  In so many ways.  Too bad the history books will be written to portray it other than truthfully.

Perhaps we conservatives should consider creating a time capsule with the real truth hidden for someone to find at a future date.  It might, at least, make future generations take pause and consider how fragile their freedom really is....

or was.


Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 05:23:09 pm
The propagandist Trumpocrats are only too transparent to those of us conservatives that know them for what they are and for what they supposedly stand for.  Truth is...they stand for nothing.  It's all "negotiable" with them.  Their "core values" are like a pile of leaves, easily blown by the wind....the wind being the blowhard Trump.   And they, like Trump, have proven themselves to be highly flexible when it comes to ethics and moral stances.  As illustrated by how they have championed every flip-flop and every walk-back and betrayal of conservative values that Trump has made.   

As for those that will vote for Trump despite his obvious flaws.... Trump and his core group of leftist cohorts have to be laughing themselves silly at how easily duped and fooled people are these days.  Give people no choice and they will vote for what they "perceive" as the least damaging candidate.  Problem is.... both candidates are of the same ilk....so the perception is skewed and faulty. 

This is an historic election.  In so many ways.  Too bad the history books will be written to portray it other than truthfully.

Perhaps we conservatives should consider creating a time capsule with the real truth hidden for someone to find at a future date.  It might, at least, make future generations take pause and consider how fragile their freedom really is....

or was.

Thats why we have to make sure our kids are taught well.

Barring thermonuclear glassing of the entire planet, the truth is stored in print and on literally  billions and billions of hard drives. You can bet your life many people have archived this mess for exactly that reason. They cannot erase it all. Ever. And the truth ALWAYS comes out.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 22, 2016, 05:44:12 pm
Don't act offended, because you're not. You can dish it out, and I know you can take it.

You repudiate "pro-abortion Trump"  which necessarily allows Hillary the baby killer to take the throne. Your cognitive dissonance is impressive.

Well said, some dish it out.

What Trump said was in 1999;

Romney has been criticized in the same way, I wonder if the poster could have stooped to vote for Romney?  If they could vote for Mitt but not Trump, then, it starts to look like hypocrisy.  I voted for Mitt,  McCain Palin, Bush,  that is being consistent, not inconsistent.

Anyway, it's not my problem,  I will be consistent and not a hypocrite. That's their problem.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 05:48:11 pm
Well said, some dish it out.

What Trump said was in 1999;

Romney has been criticized in the same way, I wonder if the poster could have stooped to vote for Romney?  If they could vote for Mitt but not Trump, then, it starts to look like hypocrisy.  I voted for Mitt,  McCain Palin, Bush,  that is being consistent, not inconsistent.

Anyway, it's not my problem,  I will be consistent and not a hypocrite. That's their problem.

So you INTENTIONALLY supported Abortion trying to elect an abortion profiteer. A man that profited from his own laws. And now you support another candidate that supports Abortion and funding the biggest child slaughterhouse on the planet. You have ZERO credibility.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 22, 2016, 05:54:07 pm
I think that one Evangelical Preacher said it correctly,

One can vote for the platform these candidates are running on and not the individual.

I'd say that is what I'm voting for.

-----

Again, take the Ted Cruz Lindsay Graham bill prohibiting abortions after 20 weeks, are we going to use some sort of warped logic as some do and say "but that allows abortion in the first 20 weeks", isn't it better to try to prohibit abortions after 20 weeks than have nothing at all.

Good luck to the cheap shot artist accusing me of lying about the right to life.


We can tell Metaxas and Father Pavone this too.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 06:06:56 pm
I think that one Evangelical Preacher said it correctly,

One can vote for the platform these candidates are running on and not the individual.

I'd say that is what I'm voting for.

-----

Again, take the Ted Cruz Lindsay Graham bill prohibiting abortions after 20 weeks, are we going to use some sort of warped logic as some do and say "but that allows abortion in the first 20 weeks", isn't it better to try to prohibit abortions after 20 weeks than have nothing at all.

Good luck to the cheap shot artist accusing me of lying about the right to life.


We can tell Metaxas and Father Pavone this too.

There's a lot of frauds out there preaching completely false doctrine. You of all people are familiar with that.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: ABX on October 22, 2016, 06:14:22 pm
I think that one Evangelical Preacher said it correctly,

One can vote for the platform these candidates are running on and not the individual.

I'd say that is what I'm voting for.

-----

Again, take the Ted Cruz Lindsay Graham bill prohibiting abortions after 20 weeks, are we going to use some sort of warped logic as some do and say "but that allows abortion in the first 20 weeks", isn't it better to try to prohibit abortions after 20 weeks than have nothing at all.

Good luck to the cheap shot artist accusing me of lying about the right to life.


We can tell Metaxas and Father Pavone this too.

A political party, for all intents and purposes, is just a marketing company. A platform for that party, is just words, nothing more. It is like a commercial for health food making a lot of claims. The crappiest food can be labeled and make claims of being health food, but is it really?

Voting based on that is like selecting a product based on which one has the flashiest ad campaign versus the quality.

One has to measure the honesty and actions of the person you are voting for based on their history to know if they have any intention of living up to the platform.

The platform is not on the ballot. The platform does not make decisions. The platform has absolutely no meaning other than to sell you the product.

Voting for a platform is like eating the label off a can of soup.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Hoodat on October 22, 2016, 07:43:58 pm
If folks don't want to support a ticket with the most Pro-Life Republican ever on it, Mike Pence, that's your decision.

I don't want to support a ticket headed by someone who openly advocates using taxpayer dollars to subsidize America's #1 abortion provider.  And I don't see how anyone claiming to be pro-life can.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Hoodat on October 22, 2016, 07:56:18 pm
Again, take the Ted Cruz Lindsay Graham bill prohibiting abortions after 20 weeks, are we going to use some sort of warped logic as some do and say "but that allows abortion in the first 20 weeks", isn't it better to try to prohibit abortions after 20 weeks than have nothing at all.

One thing that would be better is to cut off taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood and watch the number of abortions they perform fall dramatically as clinic after clinic closed their doors because of lack of funding.

Yet shortly after the release and revelation of the CMP videos - where Planned Parenthood was caught red-handed (literally) selling baby body parts - at a time when Republicans were near unanimous in cutting off federal funding, one person stood alone and called for a continuation of funding, declaring that Planned Parenthood did "wonderful things".  That person was Donald Trump.

And this is what you support.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Hoodat on October 22, 2016, 08:06:19 pm
Romney has been criticized in the same way, I wonder if the poster could have stooped to vote for Romney?  If they could vote for Mitt but not Trump, then, it starts to look like hypocrisy.

Romney is considerably more Conservative than Trump.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Axel on October 22, 2016, 08:58:49 pm
I respectfully disagree, Norm.  Not about liberalism, but about these few trolls who taint this forum.

The lies, the support for depravity, the disregard for the lives of the unborn, the mocking of people with moral standards...... these are signs of a deeper issue than just politics.  There's a warped sense of self here.

I know people who are liberal politically, but are still ethical.  I know people who are liberal politically who are still kind.  I know people who are liberal politically who still treat others with respect.

These people are both liberal and empty.  They are arguing that wrong is better than right.  That evil is better than good.

As I said before, the source of the lies they're telling isn't difficult to figure out.

No doubt that they are liberals.  NO conservative cheerleads for Trump.  NONE.  But there's far more wrong than that here.

Your posts are always welcomed humor. Please keep em coming  888high58888
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 22, 2016, 09:01:19 pm
Your posts are always welcomed humor. Please keep em coming  888high58888

I'll bet you thought that post was about you, didn't you?

But I have to disagree with your reaction here.

There's nothing humorous about sin......yours, or anyone else's.   That's where you go wrong, Axel.

You find evil enjoyable.......
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Axel on October 22, 2016, 09:08:55 pm
I'll bet you thought that post was about you, didn't you?

But I have to disagree with your reaction here.

There's nothing humorous about sin......yours, or anyone else's.   That's where you go wrong, Axel.

You find evil enjoyable.......


You were clearly referencing myself and others who support Trump.

I will pray for you.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 09:10:29 pm


You were clearly referencing myself and others who support Trump.

I will pray for you.

To Donald or the devil?
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 22, 2016, 09:37:35 pm


You were clearly referencing myself and others who support Trump.

I will pray for you.

Guilty conscience there?? 

Sin isn't funny, and mocking those of us who recognize sin for what it is, and know that your hero is an unrepentant sinner isn't funny either.

I'm glad you at least have a smidgen of conscience left.

There's hope for you.

Now go pester someone less well informed, and maybe your trolling will accomplish something other than making you look silly.

Oh........ and btw, I wasn't referring to you in my post.  I don't know you well enough to say those things.  As far as I know, you're just an internet pest trying to be 'cool' by annoying serious people........... and defending sin.

 :seeya:
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 22, 2016, 09:38:16 pm
To Donald or the devil?

Strange comment for someone defending sin, isn't it?
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 10:11:48 pm
Strange comment for someone defending sin, isn't it?

He's projecting, thats all. In this case, the illusion he's something he's not.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 22, 2016, 10:15:17 pm
He's projecting, thats all. In this case, the illusion he's something he's not.

Well, it's pretty clear what he IS.

And ineffective missionary for the religion of Trump.

I hope he hasn't quit his day job.  He stinks at this one.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: geronl on October 22, 2016, 10:37:42 pm
I do not see how these talk radio fools can ever regain their credibility
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: EasyAce on October 22, 2016, 10:42:33 pm
Diane Ladd was the original Flo.
(https://weminoredinfilm.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/alice-doesnt-live-here-anymore_diane-ladd_1974.jpg)

Polly Holliday was the funnier Flo . . .

Polly Holliday as Flo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfq-YSgzKzU)
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: ABX on October 22, 2016, 10:55:53 pm
One of the funny ironies of this election.... 
The candidate one assumes to be pro-life actually was involved in increasing abortions and still will fund them, and a candidate one assumes to be pro-choice actually took major steps to decrease abortions and opposes taxpayer funding of them.

Trump is running for a party with a pro-life platform but is the only candidate out of all (that I'm aware) to have personally paid for abortions (directly, not funding bills).
Gary Johnson is personally pro-choice, but is the only candidate left who actually signed a bill into law restricting abortions and is the only candidate who has promised to completely stop abortion funding and planned parenthood funding 100%.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: bilo on October 22, 2016, 10:58:02 pm
I do not see how these talk radio fools can ever regain their credibility

I don't either.

I think most of them will fall in line with the new populist party that will be promoted by the new Trump news network that will be created after Trump loses the election. They will scream and yell and the Pubs will be a minority party in the near future, especially after they sign off on immigration reform with border control in name only.

Conservatism is in decline. It doesn't mean it's wrong, it's not. It's in decline because in order for it to thrive and grow it requires an educated population that believes in individual liberty, property rights and consequences for decisions that are made. We no longer have any of these qualities in abundance in this country. Talk radio use to be a source for serious intellectual discussion and like everything else has devolved into an emotion driven belief system. So it's no surprise when someone rejects the newly appointed political savior that emotional response is that person, or persons, supports evil incarnate. In this case the evil incarnate is hillary.

Where were these "high minded" talk radio folks when the nominee was being selected. Other than Levin, I don't remember any of them pointing out what a disaster it would be to nominate someone with no moral foundation and an inability to control himself when he's goaded by his opponent.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 22, 2016, 11:36:56 pm
I do not see how these talk radio fools can ever regain their credibility

Because their audience are sheep.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 22, 2016, 11:59:36 pm
I defended Mitt's record in '12, I got to learn it well.

http://www.massresistance.org/romney/ <--- So read up on that.

So, if one defended Mitt; which could be done and there is no real reason to do it again, this is gravy now because Trump has never actually enacted legislation.  What he said was in 1999.

Again, we are out of the primaries, where Trump was never my choice candidate as in 2012, I was for Santorum not Romney.  My record is pretty clear, I never voted for Trump in the daily polls at FR, I voted for Cruz usually and I broke and voted for Kasich 1 time as well as Carson, maybe more than once.

Point being, if one could vote for Romney just say based on the pro-life issue, Trump has less baggage on that one issue.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 23, 2016, 12:06:21 am
I defended Mitt's record in '12, I got to learn it well.

http://www.massresistance.org/romney/ <--- So read up on that.

So, if one defended Mitt; which could be done and there is no real reason to do it again, this is gravy now because Trump has never actually enacted legislation.  What he said was in 1999.

Again, we are out of the primaries, where Trump was never my choice candidate as in 2012, I was for Santorum not Romney.  My record is pretty clear, I never voted for Trump in the daily polls at FR, I voted for Cruz usually and I broke and voted for Kasich 1 time as well as Carson, maybe more than once.

Point being, if one could vote for Romney just say based on the pro-life issue, Trump has less baggage on that one issue.

I posted links which contains proof Romney lied. You voted for him and defend it. You defend an abortion legislator and profiteer. Period.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: roamer_1 on October 23, 2016, 12:09:37 am
Because their audience are sheep.

Less and less so... In part, I suppose, it is a matter of things getting so bad that folks just can't sweep it under the rug anymore, but a whole bunch are choosing. I was the only Independent among my friends in 2007... now I don't know a single Republican. The three that were left after Romney, jumped ship over Trump.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: TomSea on October 23, 2016, 12:23:32 am
3000 abortion clinics, or 1800, what ever the number, it's a lot, have been close since 1992;

MS and MO have but one clinic in the whole state.

I'd suggest one get informed on what the pro-life organizations have done.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 23, 2016, 12:32:27 am
3000 abortion clinics, or 1800, what ever the number, it's a lot, have been close since 1992;

MS and MO have but one clinic in the whole state.

I'd suggest one get informed on what the pro-life organizations have done.

No thanks to people trying to elect pro abortion Republicans.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 23, 2016, 01:51:34 am
Laura Ingraham likewise is a reknown Pro-Lifer, maybe a convert to Catholicism, so if one wants to attack people with long records of being pro-life, that's not my problem.

Trump has many pro-life supporters, insult them all if that is what it takes.
Okie dokie. I will. How in the world can anyone pro-llife support that man? What over rode your respect for those babies enough to get you to support him? Enquiring minds want to know?
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: jpsb on October 23, 2016, 09:01:22 am
I do not see how these talk radio fools can ever regain their credibility
It is very simple, NeverTrumpers are helping elect the biggest supporter of "woman health" ever. She will pack the courts judges that are pro choice. Trump on the other hand is pro-life. And is on record as saying he will appoint pro-life judges. So now tell me who has the credibility problem.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 23, 2016, 12:27:44 pm
It is very simple, NeverTrumpers are helping elect the biggest supporter of "woman health" ever. She will pack the courts judges that are pro choice.
You act as if you are entitled to our votes, and our not bowing down is the cause of Hillary Clinton winning. The reality is that choosing a reality show star was the real reason Hillary even stood a chance. Even Ted Cruz, as polarizing as he is with an increasingly liberal America, could have put up a more credible fight, but you went with the reality show star with a history of lies, misogyny, and general incompetence that was known well before he even got into the race (that's the important part here, because this was never an invention of the Hillary camp). Trump was never going to win. We tried to tell you this.   
Trump on the other hand is pro-life. And is on record as saying he will appoint pro-life judges.
Words are cheap. His record is nonexistent. When he wasn't running for office, he was pro-choice.
So now tell me who has the credibility problem.
Nope, just the Russian stooge.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: jpsb on October 23, 2016, 02:19:09 pm
You act as if you are entitled to our votes, and our not bowing down is the cause of Hillary Clinton winning. The reality is that choosing a reality show star was the real reason Hillary even stood a chance. Even Ted Cruz, as polarizing as he is with an increasingly liberal America, could have put up a more credible fight, but you went with the reality show star with a history of lies, misogyny, and general incompetence that was known well before he even got into the race (that's the important part here, because this was never an invention of the Hillary camp). Trump was never going to win. We tried to tell you this.    Words are cheap. His record is nonexistent. When he wasn't running for office, he was pro-choice.  Nope, just the Russian stooge.

Let me know when your my way or the highway approach to politics produces a winner.

You do realize don't you that should Hillary win you will be one of the most hated political group in the USA. The democrats are simply using you as useful idiots and will throw you under the bus in a NY second once Hillary is elected. Republicans on the other hand will remember who elected Hillary (NeverTrumpers) and will hate you for it.  Don't believe me? Go have a look at the facebook pages of prominent NeverTrumpers.

You're going to have to start your own little political party, how about the NeverAmericaAgain party. Since electing Hillary means the end of America as we know it.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Norm Lenhart on October 23, 2016, 02:33:03 pm
Let me know when your my way or the highway approach to politics produces a winner.

You do realize don't you that should Hillary win you will be one of the most hated political group in the USA. The democrats are simply using you as useful idiots and will throw you under the bus in a NY second once Hillary is elected. Republicans on the other hand will remember who elected Hillary (NeverTrumpers) and will hate you for it.  Don't believe me? Go have a look at the facebook pages of prominent NeverTrumpers.

You're going to have to start your own little political party, how about the NeverAmericaAgain party. Since electing Hillary means the end of America as we know it.



Sparky, you fundamentally don't understand the dynamic in play here. You should go forth, stand in our field of fornication, and see that it is barren. We don;t CARE if a bunch of leftist Trumpers/leftist Democrats (a distinction without a difference) 'hate us'.

Not. One. Bit.

And yea, forming a better party or adopting one is called 'working toward a solution'. We already have shown the power to deny you and yours your liberals like Romney when we actually stand behind our rhetoric. We are about to show you that power again in a couple weeks. We can't yet front a candidate that can win. But we can, are and will deny YOU the ability to elect liberals.

Eventually people are gonna either get on board with US, or they can get used to Democrats winning every election. Because we have had enough of your way. They might get mad at us. We don't care. We arent electing liberals. So there's your options.

Don't like it? Good. The bottom line is principle. You can get some and stand with us, or 'Enjoy your liberals' without us. YOU do not have a choice.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 23, 2016, 04:20:26 pm


Sparky, you fundamentally don't understand the dynamic in play here. You should go forth, stand in our field of fornication, and see that it is barren. We don;t CARE if a bunch of leftist Trumpers/leftist Democrats (a distinction without a difference) 'hate us'.

Not. One. Bit.

And yea, forming a better party or adopting one is called 'working toward a solution'. We already have shown the power to deny you and yours your liberals like Romney when we actually stand behind our rhetoric. We are about to show you that power again in a couple weeks. We can't yet front a candidate that can win. But we can, are and will deny YOU the ability to elect liberals.

Eventually people are gonna either get on board with US, or they can get used to Democrats winning every election. Because we have had enough of your way. They might get mad at us. We don't care. We arent electing liberals. So there's your options.

Don't like it? Good. The bottom line is principle. You can get some and stand with us, or 'Enjoy your liberals' without us. YOU do not have a choice.
:hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands:

Nicely said.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 23, 2016, 04:40:14 pm
Let me know when your my way or the highway approach to politics produces a winner.

You do realize don't you that should Hillary win you will be one of the most hated political group in the USA. The democrats are simply using you as useful idiots and will throw you under the bus in a NY second once Hillary is elected. Republicans on the other hand will remember who elected Hillary (NeverTrumpers) and will hate you for it.  Don't believe me? Go have a look at the facebook pages of prominent NeverTrumpers.

You're going to have to start your own little political party, how about the NeverAmericaAgain party. Since electing Hillary means the end of America as we know it.
Here, let me call you a Waaahmbulance 8888crybaby
 ***ambulance

It's great being off the GOP plantation. I am bloody sick and tired of the contempt the GOP has shown for Conservative voters, election after election, EXPECTING us to vote for whatever they throw at the glass because we have no place else to go, flogging people into line with the threat of what life will be like with the alternative. Even the Democrats get their votes the old fashioned way--they buy them with tax dollars. You think you can threaten us into voting for your candidate? Think again, peaches, that dog won't hunt.

Well, we do have some place to go. I'd take the highway over your way, but I honestly believe I have found a better Party. You want my vote, EARN it, but as a political Party, YOU'RE FIRED. buh bye

Keep in mind that those who won't be ashamed of their vote for Mr. Trump are a small minority in America.  :nometalk:

As for the alternative, don't blame us. Should Hillary win, the ones who hobbled the GOP with that charlatan will be the ones who get the blame, not the people who tried repeatedly to warn you fools that he was unelectable.  :chairbang: I'll vote to give the GOP the Congress, and from there, if that big Clinton horror show ISN'T going to happen, it will be because the Congress asserted its Constitutional Authority and STOPPED it (for a change). Maybe they'll actually fight over something besides which group can put us farther in the hole the fastest and strip away more of our Rights than the other.  :politics:

Otherwise, the Republicans rats can own the mess they aided and abetted the Democrats in making.
 ****slapping
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: txradioguy on October 23, 2016, 04:46:48 pm
Here, let me call you a Waaahmbulance 8888crybaby
 ***ambulance

It's great being off the GOP plantation. I am bloody sick and tired of the contempt the GOP has shown for Conservative voters, election after election, EXPECTING us to vote for whatever they throw at the glass because we have no place else to go, flogging people into line with the threat of what life will be like with the alternative. Even the Democrats get their votes the old fashioned way--they buy them with tax dollars. You think you can threaten us into voting for your candidate? Think again, peaches, that dog won't hunt.

Well, we do have some place to go. I'd take the highway over your way, but I honestly believe I have found a better Party. You want my vote, EARN it, but as a political Party, YOU'RE FIRED. buh bye

Keep in mind that those who won't be ashamed of their vote for Mr. Trump are a small minority in America.  :nometalk:

As for the alternative, don't blame us. Should Hillary win, the ones who hobbled the GOP with that charlatan will be the ones who get the blame, not the people who tried repeatedly to warn you fools that he was unelectable.  :chairbang: I'll vote to give the GOP the Congress, and from there, if that big Clinton horror show ISN'T going to happen, it will be because the Congress asserted its Constitutional Authority and STOPPED it (for a change). Maybe they'll actually fight over something besides which group can put us farther in the hole the fastest and strip away more of our Rights than the other.  :politics:

Otherwise, the Republicans rats can own the mess they aided and abetted the Democrats in making.
 ****slapping

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Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: roamer_1 on October 23, 2016, 07:55:01 pm
Let me know when your my way or the highway approach to politics produces a winner.

Hold on there, Scooter... You do realize that the only time the Republicans HAVE WON (ever since Reagan), is when it IS our way, don't you? Reagan - US. 94 Congress - US.  GW Bush played like a Conservative enough to convince enough of US. The big gains last midterm - TEA Party - That's US.

Every time there is a compromise candidate is when you LOSE. Dole LOST. McCain - avowed enemy of Conservatives - LOST, even with his shake-and-bake vice presidential candidate. Romney - A liberal pro-choice Republican, without Conservative (especially social conservative) credz - LOST.

Get out your crayons and do the math. Where do you think Trump is going? Here's a hint. I ain't ever gonna vote for that SOB.

You win when I have someone to vote *for*. Literally, every time Republicans have won, I voted for the candidate, or got caught up in the movement (TEA). And every time the Republicans lost, I voted for someone else or stayed home (except Dole, when I was still voting pure Republican ticket). There are millions of *me*.

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You do realize don't you that should Hillary win you will be one of the most hated political group in the USA. The democrats are simply using you as useful idiots and will throw you under the bus in a NY second once Hillary is elected. Republicans on the other hand will remember who elected Hillary (NeverTrumpers) and will hate you for it.  Don't believe me? Go have a look at the facebook pages of prominent NeverTrumpers.

So what? Been there, done that, got the coffee cup. Republicans have hated Conservatives as long as I have been voting. I got the same exact threats over McCain and Romney. If you want to win so bad, maybe start voting for people that are actually Conservative, instead of lofting up liberals with cardboard-cutout conservative 'credz'.

I swear, this whole thing is dumb as a box of hammers. All y'all have to do is vote for people who WILL DO what Republicans say they want. All you have to do is put people up that will serve the Republican base (that's US). Then you win. That's what the Democrats do, and they win all the time... When DON'T the Democrats fight for their base? They ALWAYS serve their base. But Republicans somehow think they can fool their base, keep giving lip-service to their promises, and in the meantime act like Democrats once elected. This is idiocy. 

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You're going to have to start your own little political party, how about the NeverAmericaAgain party. Since electing Hillary means the end of America as we know it.

No, electing Trump, will do that. Lending Trump Conservative credentials moves the Conservative goalposts all the way into liberalism. If Conservatives will stand for big government liberalism and moral turpitude, then the last vestige of 'America as we know it' will be gone. There will be *no one* left to stand in the breach and fight.

@jpsb
@jmyrlefuller
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: roamer_1 on October 23, 2016, 08:02:30 pm
Don't like it? Good. The bottom line is principle. You can get some and stand with us, or 'Enjoy your liberals' without us. YOU do not have a choice.

Excellent post.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: roamer_1 on October 23, 2016, 08:08:57 pm
as a political Party, YOU'RE FIRED.

LOL! I see what you did there... Great post.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: geronl on October 23, 2016, 08:21:55 pm
It is very simple, NeverTrumpers are helping elect the biggest supporter of "woman health" ever. She will pack the courts judges that are pro choice. Trump on the other hand is pro-life. And is on record as saying he will appoint pro-life judges. So now tell me who has the credibility problem.

Only a certified moronic idiot would believe Trump is pro-life.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: geronl on October 23, 2016, 08:22:57 pm
Let me know when your my way or the highway approach to politics produces a winner.

That is the approach of the Trumpers. Remember "Trump or a thousand years of darkness". Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: txradioguy on October 23, 2016, 08:26:24 pm
Only a certified moronic idiot would believe Trump is pro-life.

I guess in Trump world his coercing mistresses to get abortions doesn't make him pro choice.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 23, 2016, 08:32:11 pm
I guess in Trump world his coercing mistresses to get abortions doesn't make him pro choice.

Well, in a way they're right I guess.

He didn't give them a choice as to whether or not his own children were murdered........
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on October 24, 2016, 03:52:08 pm
I'll bet you thought that post was about you, didn't you?


I can't help but hear that in Carly Simon's voice.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: r9etb on October 24, 2016, 04:14:13 pm
Back when I listened to conservative talk radio―this was about ten years ago―I came to the conclusion that Laura was a Republican first and a conservative second. It didn't seem to matter what kind of bad idea the GOP came up with, Ingraham was in favor of it (the exception being immigration). She wasn't so much a conservative thinker as she was a partisan parrot, spewing talking points (she even visited the White House for them at one point if I recall right).

Can you name a talker for whom that is not true?  The truth is that "conservative talk show host" is a lucrative media niche.  Market share requires a host to grab and hold her listeners' attention.  To remain successful in that niche requires a certain suppleness with regard to principles and consistency. 

Talk show hosts are much more prone than most to that human failing of enjoying attention; and to be seen as somebody whose opinion matters.  And I think they're prone to the "echo chamber" syndrome -- they'll play to those who can feed their egos, and they'll get more shrill in response to their supporters' shrillness.  Limbaugh is like that; the ghastly Mr. Savage is like that; Levin is like that.  And Ingraham is like that.
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: musiclady on October 24, 2016, 09:01:57 pm
I can't help but hear that in Carly Simon's voice.  :laugh:

Music is in my soul, @Idaho_Cowboy .   Every once in a while it oozes out even when I don't realize it.  888high58888
Title: Re: Laura Ingraham: 'Never Trump' stands with Clinton and partial birth
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 25, 2016, 02:10:51 am
I don't either.

I think most of them will fall in line with the new populist party that will be promoted by the new Trump news network that will be created after Trump loses the election. They will scream and yell and the Pubs will be a minority party in the near future, especially after they sign off on immigration reform with border control in name only.

Conservatism is in decline. It doesn't mean it's wrong, it's not. It's in decline because in order for it to thrive and grow it requires an educated population that believes in individual liberty, property rights and consequences for decisions that are made. We no longer have any of these qualities in abundance in this country. Talk radio use to be a source for serious intellectual discussion and like everything else has devolved into an emotion driven belief system. So it's no surprise when someone rejects the newly appointed political savior that emotional response is that person, or persons, supports evil incarnate. In this case the evil incarnate is hillary.

Where were these "high minded" talk radio folks when the nominee was being selected. Other than Levin, I don't remember any of them pointing out what a disaster it would be to nominate someone with no moral foundation and an inability to control himself when he's goaded by his opponent.
Conservatism, true Conservatism, (not 'being Republican automatically makes you a conservative conservatism') requires principles.

Without principles, without those absolute ideas of right and wrong, all is relative.

It is the difference between having a stake with markings on it driven into the bottom to gauge the rise and fall of the tide, and using a cork floating on the water as the 'best' to show when the water is high.

One will tell you what is what, unless disturbed by a major storm, the other will get you run aground.

Situation ethics is that moral cork, bobbing in the shallows.