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Title: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: mystery-ak on May 06, 2014, 06:04:02 pm
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-jets-fly-to-california-coast-in-show-of-force-over-ukraine-commander-says/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-jets-fly-to-california-coast-in-show-of-force-over-ukraine-commander-says/)

WASHINGTON -- The commander of U.S. air forces in the Pacific has reported a significant increase in activities by Russian planes and ships in the region.

Gen. Herbert Carlisle linked the uptick in Russian traffic to the situation in Ukraine. He said Russia was demonstrating its capabilities and gathering intelligence on U.S. military exercises.

Carlisle said there had been long-range Russian air patrols to the coast of California and a circumnavigation of the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam. He said a U.S. F-15 fighter jet intercepted a Russian strategic bomber that had flown to Guam.

"It's a combination of things that's to demonstrate their capability to do it," Carlisle said Monday at the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank in Washington, according to a Reuters transcript of his remarks.

Overall, Carlisle deemed it a significant "increase in the activity from Russia in the Asia-Pacific, and we relate a lot of that to what's going on in the Ukraine."

He also reported a sharp increase in Russian air patrols around Japanese islands and Korea.

Carlisle said there was a lot more Russian ship activity too.
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: Oceander on May 06, 2014, 07:02:28 pm
If they want to burn precious fuel and resources making pointless gestures, let 'em.
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: truth_seeker on May 06, 2014, 07:36:44 pm
If they want to burn precious fuel and resources making pointless gestures, let 'em.
Hardly pointless; their goal is to show force to weak Obama, and dissuade him from too much sabre rattling.

Going to California is significant. (Going to Alaska is easy.) Going to California is difficult.

Alaska has little more than a few hundred thousand barrels of oil per day. California is the defense and technology heartland of America. Biggest economy and population by far, biggest seaport in the nation, etc.

(and there was a time in fairly recent history when Russia tried for a territorial role in California, even Mexico. At the time they were up against America, Spain, the British Empire)
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: SPQR on May 06, 2014, 11:26:53 pm
Its called gunboat diplomacy. If the Russians try to make a move they will be met with USAF fighter jets.
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: SPQR on May 07, 2014, 12:44:33 am
The problem is that these bombers carry cruise missiles that can be fired far from the coast like that can be fired off the coast like the AS-15 Kent.
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: Lando Lincoln on May 07, 2014, 12:49:32 am
It is just an act to mock Obama.
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: SPQR on May 07, 2014, 12:50:50 am
It is just an act to mock Obama.

In other words, Gunboat Dipomacy. Putin is just scaring Obama on what his capabilities he has in his arsenal.  Gunboat Diplomacy  comes from the 19th century.A country negotiating with a European power would notice that a warship or fleet of ships had appeared off its coast. We call it big stick diplomacy.
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: 240B on May 07, 2014, 01:17:22 am
It is just an act to mock Obama.

More than that. It is a matter of pride. Russia has put up with this from America for decades. They are cheering Obama and Hillary for turning the tide in their favor. It is about time California learned what it is like to have enemy planes doing night flight over them.
 
Beside that, the bombers only act a a diversion so they can get their sleath craft where they want them.
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: SPQR on May 07, 2014, 01:24:43 am
Here is a man who understood our gunboat diplomacy:

(http://i61.tinypic.com/22l0tf.jpg)
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: SPQR on May 07, 2014, 01:25:48 am

More than that. It is a matter of pride. Russia has put up with this from America for decades. They are cheering Obama and Hillary for turning the tide in their favor. It is about time California learned what it is like to have enemy planes doing night flight over them.
 
Beside that, the bombers only act a a diversion so they can get their sleath craft where they want them.

The Russians do have had a chip on their shoulder that has been festering for a very long time. It became much worse under the leadership of Boris Yelsin.
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: truth_seeker on May 07, 2014, 01:36:07 am

More than that. It is a matter of pride. Russia has put up with this from America for decades. They are cheering Obama and Hillary for turning the tide in their favor. It is about time California learned what it is like to have enemy planes doing night flight over them.
 
Beside that, the bombers only act a a diversion so they can get their sleath craft where they want them.
During WWII California was shelled by Japan at oilfields near Santa Barbara (Ellwood).

Nets were used to block LA-Long Beach Harbor, against Japanese submarine entry.

And blackouts were observed, to make it harder for Japan to bomb from the air, if they tried.
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: 240B on May 07, 2014, 01:51:26 am
The irony is that these 60's ancient stupid old hippies, Obama/Hillary, thought they could be 'friends' with Putin. They wanted so much to be on his side. But he wants nothing to do with these fairyland fools. He wants nothing to do with Obama/Hillary/Kerry or any of them. They are a waste of his time.
 
It is not so much that Obama/Hillary like a Christian, anti-Homosexual, anti-Mulsim, Putin, but it was rather that they had been so inculcated with the idea that Communism was always the ideal goal. They were so sure that Putin was going to 'love' them.
 
That is why they found it hard to comprehend that Putin considers Black people to be sub-human, and he hates Obama, and he was not going to deal with the left over wife of an impeached philandering ex-President.
 
To the Left, especially the Hollywood Left who live in a fairlyland world of make believe, and unicorns, and rainbows, and stupidity, this was mind-blowing to them.
 
They actually believed with every fiber of their idiotic completely empty souls that Putin was going to be American P.C., and that he would follow their retarded 'P.C. Leftist club rules' and bow down to these ridicoulous American Leftist icons.
 
The whole thing is the culmination of decades of the ridiculously unrealistic indoctrination and the absolute abject stupidity of American, so called, elite culture.
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: SPQR on May 07, 2014, 01:55:10 am
During WWII California was shelled by Japan at oilfields near Santa Barbara (Ellwood).

Nets were used to block LA-Long Beach Harbor, against Japanese submarine entry.

And blackouts were observed, to make it harder for Japan to bomb from the air, if they tried.

. I would assume that every tracking station from  Alaskan Command at Elmendorf Air Force Base to March AFB in San Diego will be at some of sort alert today.
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: truth_seeker on May 07, 2014, 02:02:35 am
. I would assume that every tracking station from  Alaskan Command at Elmendorf Air Force Base to March AFB in San Diego will be at some of sort alert today.
March AFB Riverside. No offense intended, just a correction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_Air_Reserve_Base
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: SPQR on May 07, 2014, 02:24:31 am
March AFB Riverside. No offense intended, just a correction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_Air_Reserve_Base

Thank You for the correction. :)
Title: Re: Russia planes fly to California coast in show of force over Ukraine, U.S. commander says
Post by: SPQR on May 07, 2014, 03:41:09 am

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