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Title: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 25, 2023, 03:52:22 pm
previous thread 8

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,518271.0.html

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on December 25, 2023, 03:54:39 pm
 :bkmk:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 25, 2023, 03:55:31 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
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7m
#Israel keeps escalating attacks on Hezbollah every week; IDF is striking deeper in Lebanon, hitting more high-value targets, @N12News
 reports; not all details of IDF actions are publicized, report says.

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https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1739307088168296676
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 25, 2023, 03:58:28 pm
Trey Yingst
@TreyYingst
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1h
Hamas and Islamic Jihad have reportedly rejected an Egyptian ceasefire proposal that would end the war.

The Palestinian factions are unwilling to consider a proposal that sees new leadership in Gaza.

The Israelis have been clear that Hamas will not control Gaza after the war.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 25, 2023, 03:58:58 pm
Trey Yingst
@TreyYingst
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Dec 24
UPDATE: 14 Israeli soldiers have been killed this weekend amid ongoing battles inside Gaza
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 25, 2023, 04:00:03 pm
:bkmk:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 25, 2023, 04:00:18 pm
https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1739314952211489090
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 25, 2023, 04:01:13 pm
https://twitter.com/ariel_oseran/status/1739307989855539327
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 25, 2023, 08:41:21 pm
Ariel Oseran
@ariel_oseran
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Follow
The eliminated Iranian commander was identified as Seyed Razi Mousavi, Iranian state media confirmed. Mousavi was considered one of the closest IRGC commanders to Qassem Soleimani and the commander of Iranian forces in Syria.

Good for Israel.  Go for the head.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on December 25, 2023, 10:17:52 pm
How to win friends and influence people: Pro-Hamas protesters terrorize SecDef Lloyd Austin's neighborhood, along with the neighborhoods of other administration officials.
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1739353969594409444

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1739324808892965259
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on December 26, 2023, 02:33:12 am
How to win friends and influence people: Pro-Hamas protesters terrorize SecDef Lloyd Austin's neighborhood, along with the neighborhoods of other administration officials.
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1739353969594409444

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1739324808892965259
Poor baby, now he knows how some SC justices felt. maybe time to quit tolerating and pampering these folks and lock their asses up  :pondering: or send them to all the other Biden stooges homes.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DB on December 26, 2023, 03:52:11 am
Poor baby, now he knows how some SC justices felt. maybe time to quit tolerating and pampering these folks and lock their asses up  :pondering: or send them to all the other Biden stooges homes.

Exactly.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on December 26, 2023, 12:37:18 pm
Defund the UN.
Hamas is in control of UNRWA aid group in Gaza, Palestinian man says:
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1739430237052580069
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on December 26, 2023, 12:54:25 pm
Israel Defense Forces
@IDF
Hezbollah attacked the St. Mary’s Greek-Orthodox Church of Iqrit in northern Israel.
An anti-tank missile from Lebanon directly hit the church, injuring a civilian.
This attack is not only a clear violation of @UN Security Council Resolution 1701, but also a violation of the freedom of worship.
7:53 AM · Dec 26, 2023
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 26, 2023, 02:12:52 pm
Iran-Backed Group Critically Injures U.S. Service Member in Iraq on Christmas Day

Three U.S. service members were injured — including one critically — in a one-way drone attack by an Iran-backed in northern Iraq on Christmas Day, according to a National Security Council statement.

“Early this morning in northern Iraq, U.S. military personnel were targeted by a one-way attack drone. The attack wounded three U.S. service-members, one critically,” NSC spokeswoman Adrienne Watson said in a statement.

The troops were stationed in Erbil, Iraq, according to Central Command (Centcom).

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/26/iran-backed-group-critically-injures-u-s-service-member-in-iraq-on-christmas-day/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 26, 2023, 02:17:04 pm
Netanyahu’s 3 Peace Conditions: Destroy Hamas, Demilitarize Gaza, Deprogram Palestinians

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu published an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal on Christmas Day laying out his three basic conditions for peace in post-war Gaza: destroy Hamas, demilitarize Gaza, and de-radicalize the Palestinian population.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/25/netanyahus-3-peace-conditions-destroy-hamas-demilitarize-gaza-deprogram-palestinians/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 26, 2023, 02:19:39 pm
 Biden orders strikes on Iranian group in Iraq after 3 US service members wounded
by Sarah Fortinsky - 12/25/23 10:12 PM ET

President Biden ordered strikes on three locations in Iraq after three U.S. service members were wounded, one critically, in an attack on Erbil Air Base early Christmas morning credited to a militia group backed by Iran.

In a statement Monday, National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson said Biden directed the strikes against three facilities used by Kataib Hezbollah and affiliated groups, which claimed credit for the initial attack against U.S. personnel.

The groups, the U.S. said, are all connected to Iran.

The attack was carried out by a one-way attack drone, according to the statement, which said the three locations were “focused specifically on unmanned aerial drone activities.”

The statement said Biden ordered the retaliatory strikes after learning of the attack that wounded the U.S. service members.

“President Biden was immediately briefed on the attack this morning, and he ordered the Department of Defense to prepare response options against those responsible. Those options were then presented to the President during a call this afternoon with Secretary of Defense Austin and members of the President’s national security team,” the statement read.

“During that call, the President directed strikes against three locations utilized by Kataib Hezbollah and affiliated groups focused specifically on unmanned aerial drone activities,” the statement continued.

“The President places no higher priority than the protection of American personnel serving in harm’s way. The United States will act at a time and in a manner of our choosing should these attacks continue.”

more
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4376890-biden-orders-strikes-on-iranian-group-in-iraq-after-three-us-service-members-wounded/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on December 26, 2023, 02:43:21 pm
Poor Joe.  Count on him to do nothing or the wrong thing because of his puppet masters hoping for his reerection.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 26, 2023, 03:10:21 pm
https://twitter.com/DrewPavlou/status/1739562106847125577
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 26, 2023, 03:18:20 pm
SO GOOD: Pro-Hamas Protester Finds Out After NYPD Officer Finally Has Enough

As RedState reported, pro-Hamas protests in New York City escalated into violence on Christmas Day. A level-three mobilization was called after fights broke out and officers were injured.


The scene was part of an ongoing array of protests happening across the globe that have sought to disrupt Christmas events and generally make life miserable for normal people. Amid the most recent chaos, one NYPD officer became all of us.

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1739397956653003066

more
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/12/25/so-good-pro-hamas-protester-finds-out-after-nypd-officer-finally-has-enough-n2167957
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on December 26, 2023, 03:50:03 pm
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StopAntisemitism
@StopAntisemites
Sickening - the newly formed “Doctors Against Genocide” plans to infiltrate the U.S. Holocaust Museum this Thursday (12/28) to demand Israel stop defending itself against Hamas terrorism.

Who exactly is this group?
👉🏼 According to Roll Call, one of the founding members of DAG is Nidal Jboor a physician from Dearborn, MI.
👉🏼 Nidal Jboor is seen here speaking next to antisemites Rashida Tlaib and Cori Bush, at an organized press conference from 12/7, demanding Israel stop attacking Hamas.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCR4EIaXMAEFOIO?format=jpg&name=small)
👉🏼 They were formed last month and focus solely on Israel
👉🏼 According to its website, DAG is a program of "Jetpac," a 501c3 who “seeks to build a strong American Muslim political infrastructure and increase our community’s influence”
Hamas has one goal - to murder Jews. For this physicians’ group to desecrate the Holocaust museum with their calls of a ceasefire (ie - for the Jewish nation to stop defending itself) is stomach churning.
9:00 AM · Dec 26, 2023

Yehuda Teitelbaum
@chalavyishmael
Maybe this is just me but I don't want to be treated by someone who thinks that killing me is resistance.
Or by someone who has such a loose grip on reality that they think Israel is commiting genocide.
9:19 AM · Dec 26, 2023
Now that they've been found out, they're backtracking:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCR---VWAAADOiu?format=jpg&name=small)

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 26, 2023, 04:13:48 pm
The attack was carried out by a one-way attack drone, according to the statement, which said the three locations were “focused specifically on unmanned aerial drone activities.”

In other words, don't kill the people who launched these attacks.


The statement said Biden ordered the retaliatory strikes after learning of the attack that wounded the U.S. service members.

“President Biden was immediately briefed on the attack this morning, and he ordered the Department of Defense to prepare response options against those responsible. Those options were then presented to the President during a call this afternoon with Secretary of Defense Austin and members of the President’s national security team,” the statement read.

“During that call, the President directed strikes against three locations utilized by Kataib Hezbollah and affiliated groups focused specifically on unmanned aerial drone activities,” the statement continued.

“The President places no higher priority than the protection of American personnel serving in harm’s way. The United States will act at a time and in a manner of our choosing should these attacks continue.”

I don't believe a word of this.  Biden is so far gone that they can manipulate him to order whatever they want.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 26, 2023, 04:43:28 pm
https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1739663508214579545
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 26, 2023, 04:53:06 pm
Israel is going to need some long-range heavy bombers to finish this.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 26, 2023, 05:10:00 pm
Israel is going to need some long-range heavy bombers to finish this.

And Lebanon had better pick a side in this war.  They have gotten away with harboring Hezbollah for far too long.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on December 26, 2023, 06:35:56 pm
And Lebanon had better pick a side in this war.  They have gotten away with harboring Hezbollah for far too long.

...exactly the situation in Gaza, with Hamas.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 26, 2023, 07:26:43 pm
Damascus is the capital of Lebanon.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 26, 2023, 09:28:46 pm
...exactly the situation in Gaza, with Hamas.

The difference being, Lebanon is an actual Country....Hamas always had very little to lose in picking stupid battles.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 26, 2023, 09:29:06 pm
Damascus is the capital of Lebanon.

That is probably true.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on December 26, 2023, 09:30:02 pm
Al Jazeera reporting false information! Hard to imagine.  **nononono*

Al Jazeera English
@AJEnglish
The US has rejected Israel’s request to obtain Apache helicopters as it continues its war on Gaza, reports Israeli news outlet Yedioth Ahronoth (Ynet).  🔴 LIVE updates: http://aje.io/xx4z8
3:21 AM · Dec 26, 2023

Barak Ravid
@BarakRavid
A U.S. official told me the story is false and claimed Israel didn't request Apache helicopters
12:02 PM · Dec 26, 2023


Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on December 26, 2023, 09:38:13 pm
Damascus is the capital of Lebanon.

Does that make Tehran the capital of Syria?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on December 26, 2023, 09:39:10 pm
Al Jazeera reporting false information! Hard to imagine.  **nononono*

Al Jazeera English
@AJEnglish
The US has rejected Israel’s request to obtain Apache helicopters as it continues its war on Gaza, reports Israeli news outlet Yedioth Ahronoth (Ynet).  🔴 LIVE updates: http://aje.io/xx4z8
3:21 AM · Dec 26, 2023

Barak Ravid
@BarakRavid
A U.S. official told me the story is false and claimed Israel didn't request Apache helicopters
12:02 PM · Dec 26, 2023

LOL!  The Israelis could probably start building them tomorrow, as they surely have all the specs/schemactics.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 26, 2023, 09:43:22 pm
Does that make Tehran the capital of Syria?

Not quite.  Assad will still be protective of his status as local tyrant.  There is no such counterpart in Lebanon.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 26, 2023, 09:51:42 pm
Does that make Tehran the capital of Syria?

Yes.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 26, 2023, 09:53:01 pm
LOL!  The Israelis could probably start building them tomorrow, as they surely have all the specs/schemactics.

Isn't the Apache an anti-tank weapon?  If so, why would Israel want them in the first place?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on December 26, 2023, 10:10:48 pm
LOL!  The Israelis could probably start building them tomorrow, as they surely have all the specs/schemactics.
Possibly, but why bother? They can buy dozens or hundreds of them from Afghanistan on the cheap. Biden gifted Afghanistan who knows how many Apaches and the Muzzies can't even fly them. I'm sure they would be glad to sell them to a third party broker who would then sell them to Israel.

In fact, anybody or any group in the World can get all of the state of the art modern American munitions from Afghanistan. The barefoot primitives there cannot do anything with them. Instead of letting them rot in a field, why not sell them? Which is what they are doing.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 26, 2023, 11:07:07 pm
And Lebanon had better pick a side in this war.  They have gotten away with harboring Hezbollah for far too long.

...exactly the situation in Gaza, with Hamas.

Not even remotely similar.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 26, 2023, 11:23:59 pm
Netanyahu’s 3 Peace Conditions: Destroy Hamas, Demilitarize Gaza, Deprogram Palestinians

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu published an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal on Christmas Day laying out his three basic conditions for peace in post-war Gaza: destroy Hamas, demilitarize Gaza, and de-radicalize the Palestinian population.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/25/netanyahus-3-peace-conditions-destroy-hamas-demilitarize-gaza-deprogram-palestinians/

FTA: Netanyahu quote:

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Third, Gaza will have to be deradicalized. Schools must teach children to cherish life rather than death, and imams must cease to preach for the murder of Jews. Palestinian civil society needs to be transformed so that its people support fighting terrorism rather than funding it.

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'Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state.
NY Times, Dec 10, 2023

Just weeks before Hamas launched the deadly Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, the head of Mossad arrived in Doha, Qatar, for a meeting with Qatari officials.

For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.

During his meetings in September with the Qatari officials, according to several people familiar with the secret discussions, the Mossad chief, David Barnea, was asked a question that had not been on the agenda: Did Israel want the payments to continue?

Mr. Netanyahu’s government had recently decided to continue the policy, so Mr. Barnea said yes. The Israeli government still welcomed the money from Doha.

Allowing the payments — billions of dollars over roughly a decade — was a gamble by Mr. Netanyahu that a steady flow of money would maintain peace in Gaza, the eventual launching point of the Oct. 7 attacks, and keep Hamas focused on governing, not fighting

In interviews with more than two dozen current and former Israeli, American and Qatari officials, and officials from other Middle Eastern governments, The New York Times unearthed new details about the origins of the policy, the controversies that erupted inside the Israeli government and the lengths that Mr. Netanyahu went to in order to shield the Qataris from criticism and keep the money flowing.

The payments were part of a string of decisions by Israeli political leaders, military officers and intelligence officials — all based on the fundamentally flawed assessment that Hamas was neither interested in nor capable of a large-scale attack


More:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on December 26, 2023, 11:33:13 pm
FTA: Netanyahu quote:

As our resident Jew hater, you have an issue with what the NY Times said he said. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 26, 2023, 11:55:17 pm
Not even remotely similar.

That is correct.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 26, 2023, 11:56:15 pm
As our resident Jew hater, you have an issue with what the NY Times said he said.

I only hate the damage the quintessential liar, Benjamin Netanyahu, has done to the Israeli people, their safety and security and faith in who they are.

The payments from Qatar to Hamas are well documented, as are the facilitation by Mossad and approval of Netanyahu.

Retiring Netanyahu will save Israel @Wingnut
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 27, 2023, 12:01:21 am
I only hate the damage the quintessential liar, Benjamin Netanyahu, has done to the Israeli people, their safety and security and faith in who they are.

The payments from Qatar to Hamas are well documented, as are the facilitation by Mossad and approval of Netanyahu.

Retiring Netanyahu will save Israel @Wingnut

When the shooting is over. Not until.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 27, 2023, 12:11:48 am
@Right_in_Virginia

Are you suggesting that Israe should l have turned that money over to the PA instead?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 12:12:53 am
When the shooting is over. Not until.

But before peace negotiations......
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 12:15:11 am
@Right_in_Virginia

Are you suggesting that Israe should l have turned that money over to the PA instead?

No.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 27, 2023, 12:22:51 am
But before peace negotiations......

No.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on December 27, 2023, 12:23:07 am
Not even remotely similar.

Was referring to having a militant presence allowed by the citizens through a ballot box.

Both Gazans and Lebanese vote for this crap.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on December 27, 2023, 12:36:58 am
I only hate the damage the quintessential liar, Benjamin Netanyahu, has done to the Israeli people, their safety and security and faith in who they are.

The payments from Qatar to Hamas are well documented, as are the facilitation by Mossad and approval of Netanyahu.

Retiring Netanyahu will save Israel @Wingnut

Nah.  You are running a game on us.  But those of us who stand with Israel see you as a pro Hamas stooge. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 27, 2023, 01:20:52 am
Israel-Hamas war: Trey Yingst gives update on fighting, 'extremely bloody and intense' battles

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on December 27, 2023, 02:09:12 am

I only hate the damage the quintessential liar, Benjamin Netanyahu, has done to the Israeli people, their safety and security and faith in who they are.

The payments from Qatar to Hamas are well documented, as are the facilitation by Mossad and approval of Netanyahu.

Retiring Netanyahu will save Israel @Wingnut
What does "Retiring Netanyahu" mean? Do you mean retiring him in the mafia sense of the term? Or ... what do you mean by that?

Sounds like you want to kill the Prime Minister of Israel in the middle of one of the most consequential wars Israel has ever faced.

What do you imagine killing Netanyahu would do? Suddenly 'peace' will break out. Rainbows and Unicorns will fill the skies. Arabs and the Western World globally will suddenly patch everything up and hug each other in love.

This is not a specifically only an Israeli problem. Israel is only first on the list. Then comes France, Britain, and Germany, to start. Eventually reaching America. Getting rid of Netanyahu would do nothing to even put a dent in the current wave of Global Jihad worldwide.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DB on December 27, 2023, 02:13:56 am
She believes giving tyrants your land will create peace. She said the same thing when Putin tried to take Ukraine, it was all Ukraine's fault because they wouldn't "negotiate". Surrender their land was the only thing on the table.

In the case of Israel, the only peace being offered is the elimination of Israel. Nothing else will satisfy.

She's a fool.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 27, 2023, 02:19:14 am
@Right_in_Virginia

Are you suggesting that Israe should l have turned that money over to the PA instead?

No.

Neither does Netanyahu.  Yet you criticize him for holding the same position as you.  Don't you find that hypocritical?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 02:35:52 am
Nah.  You are running a game on us.  But those of us who stand with Israel see you as a pro Hamas stooge.

Israel is more than and better than Benjamin Netanyahu --- and her future security depends on ending his 16 year run as prime minister  @Wingnut   

I'm happy to discuss this with you, in whatever detail you like.  If, however,  you won't engage in a rational discussion, at least stop reacting like an ignorant baboon.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on December 27, 2023, 02:42:50 am
Israel is more than and better than Benjamin Netanyahu --- and her future security depends on ending his 16 year run as prime minister  @Wingnut   

I'm happy to discuss this with you, in whatever detail you like.  If, however,  you won't engage in a rational discussion, at least stop reacting like an ignorant baboon.

You have never engaged in rational a discussion on TBR in your life.  You're a hot mess of menopausal hormones gone wild. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 02:46:17 am
What does "Retiring Netanyahu" mean? Do you mean retiring him in the mafia sense of the term? Or ... what do you mean by that?

Retire as in vote him out of office and the Likud to the comfort and security of his mansion in Caesarea @240B
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 27, 2023, 02:46:22 am
I only hate the damage the quintessential liar, Benjamin Netanyahu, has done to the Israeli people

Considering your propensity for filling these boards with claims and statements that are untrue, I can only ask what are these lies that Netanyahu told.  You accused Cruz of being a liar, but you failed to come up with one single lie.  You accused DeSantis of being a liar, yet again you couldn't come up with a single lie.  Should we expect the same with Netanyahu?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 02:50:29 am
You have never engaged in rational a discussion on TBR in your life.  You're a hot mess of menopausal hormones gone wild.

When I reach menopause, odds are you'll be a memory @Wingnut  88devil
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 27, 2023, 02:51:53 am
Israel is more than and better than Benjamin Netanyahu --- and her future security depends on ending his 16 year run as prime minister  @Wingnut

Netanyahu became prime minister just under a year ago.  Maybe you're thinking of Mahmoud Abbas.  He's been in power almost 19 years.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on December 27, 2023, 03:06:43 am
When I reach menopause, odds are you'll be a memory @Wingnut  88devil

Don't sell yourself short. You have a great future ahead of you. No one will remember you either.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on December 27, 2023, 03:07:54 am
Retire as in vote him out of office and the Likud to the comfort and security of his mansion in Caesarea @240B

His living standards mirror those of a conquering Roman General who's on a first name basis with the Emperor.

At this stage of Israel's existence, they need Legends.

@Right_in_Virginia  Are you concerned about Iran targeting Tel Aviv in retaliation.  IMO, it would be fair to say that Bibi Netanyahu sanctioned the fatal air-strike.

 :shrug: 

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 27, 2023, 03:13:33 am
Retire as in vote him out of office and the Likud to the comfort and security of his mansion in Caesarea @240B

Maybe they should bring back Ehud Olmert and put him in power instead.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 03:23:48 am
Netanyahu became prime minister just under a year ago.  Maybe you're thinking of Mahmoud Abbas.  He's been in power almost 19 years.

@Hoodat

Netanyahu has been a power fixture in Israel since becoming Israel's ambassador to the UN in 1984,  followed by James Baker barring him from the State Department.

Without itemizing his stints as UN Ambassador,  Foreign Affairs Minister,  Finance Minister,  Science and Technology Minister, Housing and Construction Minister and Leader of Likud,  here's the guy's resume for the last 27 years --

1996–99:   Prime Minister
2009--21:   Prime Minister
2021--22:   Knesset Opposition Leader (like McConnell in the Senate)
2022 --     :  Prime Minister
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 03:36:32 am

At this stage of Israel's existence, they need Legends.

IMO, at this stage Israel deserves and needs leadership that is honest and focused on the future.  Netanyahu is neither. How many times can he lie and strategically fail before it becomes okay to discuss this?  Such a conversation shouldn't offend.   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 27, 2023, 03:37:46 am
@Hoodat

Netanyahu has been a power fixture in Israel since becoming Israel's ambassador to the UN in 1984,  followed by James Baker barring him from the State Department.

Without itemizing his stints as UN Ambassador,  Foreign Affairs Minister,  Finance Minister,  Science and Technology Minister, Housing and Construction Minister and Leader of Likud,  here's the guy's resume for the last 27 years --

1996–99:   Prime Minister
2009--21:   Prime Minister
2021--22:   Knesset Opposition Leader (like McConnell in the Senate)
2022 --     :  Prime Minister

@Right_in_Virginia

I know his resume.  You specifically stated that "[Israel's] future security depends on ending [Netanjahu's] 16 year run as prime minister".  Yet his current run began less than a year ago.  Please stop posting lies on this forum.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 03:46:15 am
@Right_in_Virginia

I know his resume.  You specifically stated that "[Israel's] future security depends on ending [Netanjahu's] 16 year run as prime minister".  Yet his current run began less than a year ago.  Please stop posting lies on this forum.

@Hoodat

Netanyahu is the Prime Minister who set Oct 7 in motion and then ignored  the massive attack as it became the reality he predicted in 2017.  This is all on him.

1996–99:   Prime Minister
2009--21:   Prime Minister
2021--22:   Knesset Opposition Leader (like McConnell in the Senate)
2022 --     :  Prime Minister
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 27, 2023, 03:50:24 am
@Right_in_Virginia

Again, you specifically stated that "[Israel's] future security depends on ending [Netanjahu's] 16 year run as prime minister".  Yet his current run began less than a year ago.  Please stop posting lies on this forum.

Also, you criticize Netanyahu for holding the exact same position as your self.   Please stop being a hypocrite, too.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 04:10:21 am
@Right_in_Virginia

Again, you specifically stated that "[Israel's] future security depends on ending [Netanjahu's] 16 year run as prime minister".  Yet his current run began less than a year ago.  Please stop posting lies on this forum.

Also, you criticize Netanyahu for holding the exact same position as your self.   Please stop being a hypocrite, too.

@Hoodat

Netanyahu is the Prime Minister who set Oct 7 in motion and then ignored  the massive attack as it became the reality he predicted in 2017.  This is all on him.

1996–99:   Prime Minister
2009--21:   Prime Minister
2021--22:   Knesset Opposition Leader (like McConnell in the Senate)
2022 --     :  Prime Minister

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 27, 2023, 05:03:57 am
@Hoodat

Netanyahu is the Prime Minister who set Oct 7 in motion and then ignored  the massive attack

Again, please stop posting lies on this forum.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 06:34:23 am

Netanyahu is the Prime Minister who set Oct 7 in motion and then ignored  the massive attack as it became the reality he predicted in 2017.

Again, please stop posting lies on this forum.

@Hoodat

1996–99:   Prime Minister
2009--21:   Prime Minister
2021--22:   Knesset Opposition Leader (like McConnell in the Senate)
2022 --     :  Prime Minister

For Mr. Security, a bit of war was a political asset ---- perhaps his greatest.  Mowing the grass in Gaza while authorizing and facilitating transfers of US dollars in payments estimated in the billions from Qatar to Hamas was a recipe for disaster from the start.

Netanyahu knew about the tunnels, his governments, his security agencies knew and he was forced to admit they knew when the tunnels became common knowledge during the war in 2014.  Not only didn't Netanyahu destroy them then, he didn't attempt to stop their expansion in the years since. 

Neither did Netanyahu question where the money from Qatar was going.

Netanyahu ignored warnings of an imminent and massive attack from the IDF, as well as from Egypt.  Just days before the Oct 7 attack two IDF commando companies were diverted from the Gaza region to the West Bank to help with unrest there ---- leaving Israelis in the South unprotected for 20 hours. FWIW,  the settlers in the West Bank are part of the political glue holding Netanyahu's tenuous government together.

Yet, by his own admission, Netanyahu knew an attack of this scale was coming since 2017.

Quote
For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our face
Times of Israel, Oct 8, 2023

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

[...]

Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza.

Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip.

Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.

According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

While Netanyahu does not make these kind of statements publicly or officially, his words are in line with the policy that he implemented.

The same messaging was repeated by right-wing commentators, who may have received briefings on the matter or talked to Likud higher-ups and understood the message.

Bolstered by this policy, Hamas grew stronger and stronger until Saturday, Israel’s “Pearl Harbor,” the bloodiest day in its history — when terrorists crossed the border, slaughtered hundreds of Israelis and kidnapped an unknown number under the cover of thousands of rockets fired at towns throughout the country’s south and center.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

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'Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state.
NY Times, Dec 10, 2023

Just weeks before Hamas launched the deadly Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, the head of Mossad arrived in Doha, Qatar, for a meeting with Qatari officials.

For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.

During his meetings in September with the Qatari officials, according to several people familiar with the secret discussions, the Mossad chief, David Barnea, was asked a question that had not been on the agenda: Did Israel want the payments to continue?

Mr. Netanyahu’s government had recently decided to continue the policy, so Mr. Barnea said yes. The Israeli government still welcomed the money from Doha.

Allowing the payments — billions of dollars over roughly a decade — was a gamble by Mr. Netanyahu that a steady flow of money would maintain peace in Gaza, the eventual launching point of the Oct. 7 attacks, and keep Hamas focused on governing, not fighting

In interviews with more than two dozen current and former Israeli, American and Qatari officials, and officials from other Middle Eastern governments, The New York Times unearthed new details about the origins of the policy, the controversies that erupted inside the Israeli government and the lengths that Mr. Netanyahu went to in order to shield the Qataris from criticism and keep the money flowing.

The payments were part of a string of decisions by Israeli political leaders, military officers and intelligence officials — all based on the fundamentally flawed assessment that Hamas was neither interested in nor capable of a large-scale attack


More:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html


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'Frogmen, hang gliders, kidnapped Israelis’: Netanyahu described Hamas’s plans in 2017
Times of Israel, Dec 22, 2023

Footage of Knesset hearing on 2014 Gaza war shows PM claiming he’d deterred terror group; premier lays out Hamas’s murderous plans, which came to fruition on Oct. 7, in eerie detail

In 2017, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described an onslaught by the Hamas terror group that would prove to be a prescient description of the horrifying events of October 7, but said at the time that his policies had deterred the terror group.

Hebrew-language media published footage on Thursday from a 2017 Knesset meeting in which Netanyahu described the terror group’s plans in eerie detail.

“Hamas has an operational plan for a multi-pronged attack, including thousands of missiles on Israeli cities, naval commando raids, hang gliders and incursions from dozens of tunnels, some of which come up in [Israeli] territory,” Netanyahu said during a hearing held by the parliament’s State Control Committee to discuss a report on the 2014 Gaza war against Hamas.

During the emotionally fraught three-and-a-half hour discussion, Netanyahu described the “special forces” that Hamas was training in order to murder and kidnap Israelis, a reference to the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas’s military wing.

“They’ve assessed that if they can surprise us, they can put the plan into action,” Netanyahu said.

The scenario the prime minister described was similar to the events some six years later on October 7, when some 3,000 Hamas terrorists burst across the border into Israel from the Gaza Strip by land, air and sea, killing some 1,200 people and seizing over 240 hostages of all ages — mostly civilians — under the cover of a deluge of thousands of rockets fired at Israeli towns and cities.

In 2017, Netanyahu said that the Hamas leadership had begun planning a massive onslaught years earlier.

“At any given moment they could have put that plan into action, but contrary to popular opinion, we don’t control our opponent’s decisions — at most, we can influence their ability to carry them out,” he said.

While he claimed that Hamas was “deterred,” Netanyahu made it clear that he was under “no illusions .. that the terror group would abandon its plan.”

“When I thought about an infiltration of thousands of gunmen or more, seizing a town, capturing hostages, what a blow that would be, I flagged it,” Netanyahu added.

“We tried to avoid war in any way possible. We’re facing a hard and cruel enemy. To avoid escalation against an enemy like that is no mean feat. There are 30,000 [Hamas fighters in Gaza], wishing for our destruction and preparing all the time and building the means with which to kill us, to infiltrate, to attack us. People who are committed to the annihilation of Israel; it’s what they live for,” he said.

Netanyahu also highlighted his role in the policy of containment: “One of the reasons that [Hamas] is deterred is because I have a policy, that I’m not willing to tolerate droplets [of violence], and there’s always a strong reaction, usually very fast, on every such droplet.”

One of the most damning allegations in the 2017 report contended that better decision-making practices could have obviated the need for a military operation entirely.

The state comptroller report debated by the committee in 2017 was centered around the management of the security cabinet by Netanyahu and then-defense minister Moshe Ya’alon, specifically the cabinet’s alleged failure to set concrete, strategic goals for the military in the campaign. It also noted intelligence gaps and tactical mistakes by the Israel Defense Forces, then led by Lt. Gen. (res.) Benny Gantz, notably its unpreparedness for the threat of Hamas tunnels.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/frogmen-hang-gliders-kidnapped-israelis-netanyahu-described-hamass-plans-in-2017/







Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 27, 2023, 02:40:16 pm
Israel-Hamas war will go on 'for many months,' IDF chief says

Israel's military chief said Tuesday that the war against Hamas in Gaza is expected to continue on "for many months."

"The war will go on for many months and we will employ different methods to maintain our achievements for a long time," Chief of the General Staff Herzi Halevi said in a televised statement, according to Reuters.

"There are no magic solutions, there are no short cuts in dismantling a terrorist organization, only determined and persistent fighting," he reportedly added. "We will reach Hamas' leadership too, whether it takes a week or if it takes months."

"Ultimately, will we be able to say that there is no enemy surrounding the state of Israel? I think that's too ambitious, but we will create a new security situation," Halevi also said.
Posted by Greg Norman
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 27, 2023, 02:40:59 pm
3 more Israeli soldiers die in Gaza Strip fighting

The Israel Defense Forces said Wednesday that three more of its soldiers have died in fighting in the Gaza Strip.

They were identified as Lt. Yaron Eliezer Chitiz, 23, Sgt. Itay Buton, 20, and Sgt. Efraim Yachman, 21.

All three of the soldiers were killed in fighting in the northern Gaza Strip, according to the IDF.

The deaths bring its overall troop losses in the Gaza ground operation to 164, The Times of Israel reports.
Posted by Greg Norman
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 27, 2023, 02:42:07 pm
Israeli Air Force releases video of strike eliminating Hamas terrorists

https://twitter.com/IAFsite/status/1739905896493261132


The Israeli Air Force on Wednesday has released a video of an airstrike it says it carried out against Hamas fighters running in between buildings in the Shejaiya area of Gaza City.

"About 200 terrorist targets were attacked in the last day from the air, sea and land: Air Force aircraft, in cooperation with the fire and intelligence complex, attacked and eliminated terrorists passing between buildings," it said in a post on X.

A video shared by the Israeli Air Force appears to show individuals running in between buildings before an explosion occurs.

The Israeli Air Force also said Wednesday that one of its fighter jets attacked a military site belonging to Hezbollah in Lebanon.
Posted by Greg Norman
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 27, 2023, 03:40:25 pm
US Navy Destroyer and Fighters Engage 17 Houthi Missiles and Drones
By streiff | 9:22 PM on December 26, 2023

A US Navy destroyer and several F/A-18 Super Hornet fighters shot down a total of 17 Houthi drones and missiles during a tense 10-hour engagement over the southern Red Sea.

Details of the engagement are sparse, but the Arleigh Burke-class Aegis destroyer USS Laboon (DDG-58), a member of the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower carrier strike group (CSG), as well as several F/A-18 launched from the Eisenhower shot down 12 attack drones, three-antiship missiles and two land attack missiles. The engagement began at 6:30 a.m. local time Tuesday and continued for 10 hours. None of the attacking weapons hit a target.

This is the general location of the engagement. The USS Laboon is the blue dot to the left of the USNS Supply icon...next to the two Iranian ships.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GCSVaRNWIAAij6q.jpg)

more
https://redstate.com/streiff/2023/12/26/us-navy-destroyer-and-fighters-engage-17-houthi-missiles-and-drones-n2167993
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on December 27, 2023, 04:44:37 pm
UN Aid bags being used to reinforce Hamas tunnels
https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1740050563302322254
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on December 27, 2023, 04:50:38 pm
I would guess that our friend @Right_in_Virginia is employed at the Department of State.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on December 27, 2023, 05:11:41 pm
US Navy Destroyer and Fighters Engage 17 Houthi Missiles and Drones
By streiff | 9:22 PM on December 26, 2023

A US Navy destroyer and several F/A-18 Super Hornet fighters shot down a total of 17 Houthi drones and missiles during a tense 10-hour engagement over the southern Red Sea.

Details of the engagement are sparse, but the Arleigh Burke-class Aegis destroyer USS Laboon (DDG-58), a member of the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower carrier strike group (CSG), as well as several F/A-18 launched from the Eisenhower shot down 12 attack drones, three-antiship missiles and two land attack missiles. The engagement began at 6:30 a.m. local time Tuesday and continued for 10 hours. None of the attacking weapons hit a target.

This is the general location of the engagement. The USS Laboon is the blue dot to the left of the USNS Supply icon...next to the two Iranian ships.


Am I a conspiracy 'nut' for suggesting IRAN fired upon hearing the word "PULL", and the U.S. ship took target practice?

 ****slapping
DCP   Reality

 :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on December 27, 2023, 05:31:08 pm
I would guess that our friend  @Right_in_Virginia is employed at the Department of State.

@Bigun  @Right_in_Virginia

Once again, I have to stick my nose in here and ask, "why would you even post that?".

Many of the NT Briefers apparently haven't learned their lesson when they suggested she work for the DeSantis Campaign.

Is it because she never loses her cool?  Is it because she's obviously a well-educated, well-traveled and can speak in paragraphs?

LOL...like suggesting @Hoodat  is an arms dealer because he's a "war groupie". 
Or, a direct descendant of the Salem Witch Hunt trial judges, stalking RIV around the forum compulsively 'screaming'... "LIAR!!!" 

 :patriot:




Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DB on December 27, 2023, 06:10:12 pm
@Bigun  @Right_in_Virginia

Once again, I have to stick my nose in here and ask, "why would you even post that?".

Many of the NT Briefers apparently haven't learned their lesson when they suggested she work for the DeSantis Campaign.

Is it because she never loses her cool?  Is it because she's obviously a well-educated, well-traveled and can speak in paragraphs?

LOL...like suggesting @Hoodat  is an arms dealer because he's a "war groupie". 
Or, a direct descendant of the Salem Witch Hunt trial judges, stalking RIV around the forum compulsively 'screaming'... "LIAR!!!" 

 :patriot:

You forgot the sarcasm tag...
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 27, 2023, 06:37:15 pm
Mowing the grass in Gaza while authorizing and facilitating transfers of US dollars in payments estimated in the billions from Qatar to Hamas was a recipe for disaster from the start.

@Right_in_Virginia

So you're upset that Netanyahu doled out the money that Trump had set aside for Hamas?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 27, 2023, 06:41:47 pm
LOL...like suggesting @Hoodat  is an arms dealer because he's a "war groupie".

@DCPatriot

I prefer the term 'war porn junkie'.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on December 27, 2023, 06:50:01 pm
I would guess that our friend Right_in_Virginia is employed at the Department of State.
Or may as well be.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 07:17:12 pm
Or may as well be.

Why do you say this about me @mountaineer
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 07:39:13 pm
I would guess that our friend @Right_in_Virginia is employed at the Department of State.

Putting aside your uncharacteristic snark @Bigun ----- what part do you disagree with?

@Hoodat

1996–99:   Prime Minister
2009--21:   Prime Minister
2021--22:   Knesset Opposition Leader (like McConnell in the Senate)
2022 --     :  Prime Minister

For Mr. Security, a bit of war was a political asset ---- perhaps his greatest.  Mowing the grass in Gaza while authorizing and facilitating transfers of US dollars in payments estimated in the billions from Qatar to Hamas was a recipe for disaster from the start.

Netanyahu knew about the tunnels, his governments, his security agencies knew and he was forced to admit they knew when the tunnels became common knowledge during the war in 2014.  Not only didn't Netanyahu destroy them then, he didn't attempt to stop their expansion in the years since. 

Neither did Netanyahu question where the money from Qatar was going.

Netanyahu ignored warnings of an imminent and massive attack from the IDF, as well as from Egypt.  Just days before the Oct 7 attack two IDF commando companies were diverted from the Gaza region to the West Bank to help with unrest there ---- leaving Israelis in the South unprotected for 20 hours. FWIW,  the settlers in the West Bank are part of the political glue holding Netanyahu's tenuous government together.

Yet, by his own admission, Netanyahu knew an attack of this scale was coming since 2017.

Quote
For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our face
Times of Israel, Oct 8, 2023

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

More:  https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Quote
Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state.
NY Times, Dec 10, 2023

Just weeks before Hamas launched the deadly Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, the head of Mossad arrived in Doha, Qatar, for a meeting with Qatari officials.

For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.

During his meetings in September with the Qatari officials, according to several people familiar with the secret discussions, the Mossad chief, David Barnea, was asked a question that had not been on the agenda: Did Israel want the payments to continue?

Mr. Netanyahu’s government had recently decided to continue the policy, so Mr. Barnea said yes. The Israeli government still welcomed the money from Doha.

More: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

Quote
Frogmen, hang gliders, kidnapped Israelis’: Netanyahu described Hamas’s plans in 2017
Times of Israel, Dec 22, 2023

Footage of Knesset hearing on 2014 Gaza war shows PM claiming he’d deterred terror group; premier lays out Hamas’s murderous plans, which came to fruition on Oct. 7, in eerie detail

In 2017, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described an onslaught by the Hamas terror group that would prove to be a prescient description of the horrifying events of October 7, but said at the time that his policies had deterred the terror group.

Hebrew-language media published footage on Thursday from a 2017 Knesset meeting in which Netanyahu described the terror group’s plans in eerie detail.

“Hamas has an operational plan for a multi-pronged attack, including thousands of missiles on Israeli cities, naval commando raids, hang gliders and incursions from dozens of tunnels, some of which come up in [Israeli] territory,” Netanyahu said during a hearing held by the parliament’s State Control Committee to discuss a report on the 2014 Gaza war against Hamas.

More:  https://www.timesofisrael.com/frogmen-hang-gliders-kidnapped-israelis-netanyahu-described-hamass-plans-in-2017
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 07:39:57 pm
Thank you @DCPatriot 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on December 27, 2023, 07:44:51 pm
Putting aside your uncharacteristic snark @Bigun ----- what part do you disagree with?

No snark intended or posted. Let's just say that I know how the folks at Foggy Bottom operate and your posts say that you fit the MO. @Right_in_Virginia

You seem to forget that Netanyahu has always had to operate under many of the same conditions that Trump had to face during his presidency.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 27, 2023, 07:51:47 pm
U.S. Navy Shoots Down 12 Houthi Drones and Five Missiles in One Day

The Houthis are members of a jihadi movement that calls itself “Ansar Allah,” the Army of Allah. Its slogan is “Allahu Akbar, Death to the United States, Death to Israel, Curse the Jews, Victory for Islam.” President Joe Biden lifted Ansar Allah’s classification as a terrorist organization in February 2021.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/27/u-s-navy-shoots-down-12-houthi-drones-five-missiles-one-day/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 27, 2023, 07:57:53 pm
U.S. Navy Shoots Down 12 Houthi Drones and Five Missiles in One Day

The Houthis are members of a jihadi movement that calls itself “Ansar Allah,” the Army of Allah. Its slogan is “Allahu Akbar, Death to the United States, Death to Israel, Curse the Jews, Victory for Islam.” President Joe Biden lifted Ansar Allah’s classification as a terrorist organization in February 2021.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/27/u-s-navy-shoots-down-12-houthi-drones-five-missiles-one-day/

That slogan is a mouthful!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 08:00:04 pm
No snark intended or posted. Let's just say that I know how the folks at Foggy Bottom operate and your posts say that you fit the MO. @Right_in_Virginia

You seem to forget that Netanyahu has always had to operate under many of the same conditions that Trump had to face during his presidency.


What's your disagreement with what I posted @Bigun ?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on December 27, 2023, 08:03:48 pm
What's your disagreement with what I posted @Bigun ?

I never said I disagreed with any of it @Right_in_Virginia but, unlike you, I recognize the conditions he has been forced to deal with. (Liberals are not unique to the USA.)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 27, 2023, 08:34:59 pm
I never said I disagreed with any of it @Right_in_Virginia but, unlike you, I recognize the conditions he has been forced to deal with. (Liberals are not unique to the USA.)

FWIW, the timeline of Netanyahu's strategy, decisions and actions don't fit the excuse you're proposing.   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 28, 2023, 02:12:47 am
Putting aside your uncharacteristic snark @Bigun ----- what part do you disagree with?

@Right_in_Virginia

Let's start with the first article (https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/).  It offers quite a few spurious claims that fly in the face of historical facts.  For example, the author tries to blame Netanyahu for a process that was set up as part of the Oslo Accords in which the international community agreed to contribute funds to the Palestinian territories, only 14% of which came from the US.  So not only was the article factually incorrect in that regard, so was your own statement.

It should also be noted that Hamas has been in power in Gaza since 2007, and thus have been the beneficiaries of the aid mentioned above far longer than the short period mentioned in your propaganda piece.  From an Israeli political standpoint, it made perfect sense to maintain division between the West Bank and Gaza - a political objective which both you and the article falsely identify as funding Hamas.

The propaganda piece offers this ridiculously false claim:  "Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza."

Here is but one account (of dozens upon dozens) from 2019 where Gaza militants launched rocket attacks at Israel:

Qatar's decision comes after the Sunday night ceasefire agreement between Israel and the Gaza Strip terror groups. The 48-hour-long round of fighting cost four Israeli lives and approximately 25 casualties in the Gaza Strip, after some 700 rockets were launched at Israel from the coastal enclave and over 300 targets were bombed by the IDF.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5505549,00.html

Does that sound like "turned a blind eye" to you?

And then there's this from your bullshit propaganda piece:

Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip

The author here simply made up the first lie that popped up in her head - very similar to what you do.  But anyone with a functioning brain would see the idiocy of this considering that Qatar can simply wire in the money, not to mention that ATM machines do the same thing.

I am having trouble gauging which is worse.  The propaganda in this article, or the lies coming from you.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 28, 2023, 02:23:27 am
U.S. Navy Shoots Down 12 Houthi Drones and Five Missiles in One Day

U.S Navy targets zero Houthi drone and missile launch sites, command centers, etc.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 28, 2023, 02:45:49 am
@Right_in_Virginia

The second article - the NY Times piece.  This is basically a regurgitation of blaming Bush for 9/11, except replace the word 'Bush' with 'Netanyahu'.  Hindsight is 20/20.  But keep in mind that these are policies Netanyahu inherited from his predecessors.  And also keep in mind that when faced with the same question of giving all the money to the PA, you yourself said "No".  So I am at a loss at your contempt with Netanyahu considering he did the same thing that you yourself proposed.

From the NY Times article:

As far back as December 2012, Mr. Netanyahu told the prominent Israeli journalist Dan Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Mr. Margalit, in an interview, said that Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.

As pointed out in the previous post, the political objective here makes sense.  At the time, the PA was by far the stronger faction.  They just didn't have a solid backer like Iran.  The policy has been a continuous demonstration that the Palestinians aren't really interested in a two-state solution.  The only problem with it wasn't Netanyahu.  It was Joe Biden.   It is Biden - not Netanyahu - that empowered Hamas through their backer Iran.  With $60 billion in annual oil revenues now coming in, their support for Hamas makes the Qatar money look like chump change.

More from the NY Times:

Mr. Netanyahu and his security aides slowly began reconsidering their strategy toward the Gaza Strip after several bloody and inconclusive military conflicts there against Hamas.

“Everyone was sick and tired of Gaza,” said Zohar Palti, a former director of intelligence for Mossad. “We all said, ‘Let’s forget about Gaza,’ because we knew it was a deadlock.”

After one of the conflicts, in 2014, Mr. Netanyahu charted a new course — emphasizing a strategy of trying to “contain” Hamas while Israel focused on Iran’s nuclear program and its proxy armies like Hezbollah.

This strategy was buttressed by repeated intelligence assessments that Hamas was neither interested in nor capable of launching a significant attack inside Israel.
 


So Netanyahu listened to Mossad's own assessments.  And for this he should be crucified?

But there's more:

Yossi Kuperwasser, a former head of research for Israel’s military intelligence, said that some officials saw the benefits of maintaining an “equilibrium” in the Gaza Strip. “The logic of Israel was that Hamas should be strong enough to rule Gaza,” he said, “but weak enough to be deterred by Israel.”

The administrations of three American presidents — Barack Obama, Donald J. Trump and Joseph R. Biden Jr. — broadly supported having the Qataris playing a direct role in funding Gaza operations.

Well how do you like that?  Obama, Trump, and Biden were all on board with it.  Go figure.  The things you learn by reading through the links you post.  Have you ever considered reading them yourself before posting?  (Don't answer that.  It was rhetorical.)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 28, 2023, 02:52:36 am
Article 3 shows that the Oct 7 attack was a confirmation that Netanyahu was right all along.  Maybe they should have left him in office instead of driving him out of office and trying to lock him up.  Sound familiar?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on December 28, 2023, 03:25:41 am
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender

A Massive Operation by the Israel Defense Force is taking place throughout the West Bank tonight, as Hundreds of Armored Vehicles and Thousands of Troops have Stormed several Cities across the Region including Jenin, Nablus, Hebron, Ramallah, and Jericho in what appears to be an attempt to Mass Arrest known Hamas and PIJ Terrorists; Heavy Fighting has been reported in many of these Cities where the Operation is taking place.


OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
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This is believed to likely be the Largest-Scale Combat Operation by the IDF in the West Bank since at least the October 7th Massacre, and possibly since Operation Defensive Shield during the Second Intifada in 2002.

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1740196704954331200 (https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1740196704954331200)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 28, 2023, 07:58:50 am
Article 3 shows that the Oct 7 attack was a confirmation that Netanyahu was right all along. 

As Netanyahu confirmed in 2017, the plans for the October 7 style attack came out of the war in 2014.  He predicted the scope of the horror coming Israel's way with "eerie" accuracy.  Yet, he took no preventive action to protect his nation. 

Instead, under his tenures as Prime Minister he lived his "Buying Quiet" policy and kept sending Mossad to facilitate the audit-free transfer of estimated billions of dollars from Qater to Hamas (for 10 years, through September of this year); the tunnels expanded into fortresses around and into Israel and in plain view Hamas built a modernized, well-equipped military.  Netanyahu ignored it all -- he had what he was buying;  he had quiet. 

"Quiet" for Netanyahu meant no calls for two states and he could focus on turning the West Bank into pre-2005 Gaza. He was quite pleased with himself and his winning strategy.

When the warnings about an attack from Hamas were received from the IDF and also from Egypt, Netanyahu not only ignored them, just days before the onslaught two commando companies were relocated from the Gaza region to the West Bank to assist his political base ---- leaving Israelis under attack to wait 20 hours for help to arrive.

Sure,  the attack was just as the Prime Minister predicted it would be --- it was by air, land, tunnel and sea with rampant destruction, murder, assault and the taking of hostages.  But, how is the Prime Minister's long role in setting this horror into motion something to celebrate as "being right all along"?






Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on December 28, 2023, 12:56:21 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
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IDF intercepts Hezbollah drone north of Haifa, @ynetalerts
 reports; Air Force bombed terror targets in Lebanon earlier today. Looks like another day of escalation on northern front.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on December 28, 2023, 01:03:06 pm
Israel Defense Forces
@IDF
IDF troops operated in the area of Daraj Tuffah, Gaza City:

🔺After RPG missiles were fired from inside a building toward an IDF vehicle, our troops struck terrorist infrastructure located inside the building.

🔺The IAF struck an anti-tank missile launch site where terrorist operatives were located.

🔺IDF troops eliminated terrorists in both ground and aerial strikes over the last two days.

🔺Following searches of the residence from which terrorists shot at our troops, IDF forces located the following weapons:

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1740320368303173946 (https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1740320368303173946)
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Post by: mountaineer on December 28, 2023, 02:48:07 pm
Maya Schem, 21, who was kidnapped by Hamas from the Supernova music festival and was badly injured during the attack, and was operated on by a veterinarian, was held by a family of civilians for 54 days.

“It was important to me to relay the truth about the nature of the people who live in Gaza, who they are truly are, and what I experienced there. They are all complicit..and it’s like one big Hamas family.”
https://twitter.com/HenMazzig/status/1740350542369427539
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Post by: mountaineer on December 28, 2023, 02:50:25 pm
A Hamas tunnel shaft was found inside a mosque in Gaza.
https://twitter.com/VividProwess/status/1740357876231598324
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 28, 2023, 03:11:51 pm
 Freed Israeli hostage Mia Schem ‘went through holocaust’ in Hamas captivity in Gaza: ‘Everyone over there is a terrorist’
By Social Links for Yaron Steinbuch
Published Dec. 28, 2023, 9:18 a.m. ET

A 21-year-old Israeli-French tattoo artist who was abducted by Hamas has recalled the horrors that she faced in Gaza in her first interview, saying she “went through a holocaust” during her 54 days in captivity.

Mia Schem was asked in a preview clip of an interview with Channel 13 why she decided to open up about her experience at the hands of the terrorists.

“It was important to me to relay the truth about the nature of the people who live in Gaza, who they are truly are and what I experienced there,” the young woman tells journalist Lior Veroslavski in the clip released Thursday.

Veroslavski replies, “It was important to you that the world understands what?”

“That I went through a holocaust,” the former hostage says, matter-of-factly. “Everyone over there is a terrorist.”

Schem adds that after being kidnapped from a musical festival in southern Israel on Oct. 7, she was held by a civilian family in Gaza that was involved with the terror group.

more
https://nypost.com/2023/12/28/news/freed-hostage-mia-schem-i-went-through-a-holocaust-as-a-hamas-captive/

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 28, 2023, 03:15:50 pm
Israel Radar
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Hamas terrorists were told to behead Israelis, cut out their hearts & livers because they’re a “disease without a cure,” according to documents seized by IDF in Gaza; terror operatives also received instructions for keeping hostages in booby-trapped hideouts. via @yoavzitun
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Post by: DB on December 28, 2023, 04:05:35 pm
Peace is not possible with people like that. It's a death cult.
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Post by: SZonian on December 28, 2023, 04:09:17 pm
 :bkmk:
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 28, 2023, 06:43:59 pm
Exclusive: Caroline Glick Warns Israel Perilously Dependent on U.S. Munitions, Biden’s 2-State Plan Would ‘Annihilate’ Israel

Israel has become dangerously dependent on American munitions, according to conservative Middle East analyst and commentator Caroline Glick, who is calling for Israeli self-sufficiency, while slamming the Biden administration’s push for a “hideously anti-Israel” two-state solution policy, declaring it a “plan to annihilate Israel, piece by piece.”

Speaking with Breitbart News on Wednesday, Glick lamented Israel’s current state of reliance on America in terms of military production capacity.

“Right now, we’re pretty much dependent on the United States,” she said. “We have some independent production capabilities, but it’s far from sufficient for our needs during war.”

Glick addressed former President Barack Obama’s $38 billion 10-year aid package to Israel, which includes strict terms and limitations, while mandating all funds be spent on U.S. suppliers by the end of the deal.

“Israel managed to put itself into a position in recent years, clearly since the 2016 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) went into force, which essentially and deliberately required her to spend about 95% of the U.S. military assistance in the United States,” she said.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/28/exclusive-caroline-glick-warns-israel-perilously-dependent-munitions-bidens-2-state-plan-would-annihilate-israel/
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Post by: libertybele on December 28, 2023, 06:53:14 pm
Exclusive: Caroline Glick Warns Israel Perilously Dependent on U.S. Munitions, Biden’s 2-State Plan Would ‘Annihilate’ Israel

Israel has become dangerously dependent on American munitions, according to conservative Middle East analyst and commentator Caroline Glick, who is calling for Israeli self-sufficiency, while slamming the Biden administration’s push for a “hideously anti-Israel” two-state solution policy, declaring it a “plan to annihilate Israel, piece by piece.”

Speaking with Breitbart News on Wednesday, Glick lamented Israel’s current state of reliance on America in terms of military production capacity.

“Right now, we’re pretty much dependent on the United States,” she said. “We have some independent production capabilities, but it’s far from sufficient for our needs during war.”

Glick addressed former President Barack Obama’s $38 billion 10-year aid package to Israel, which includes strict terms and limitations, while mandating all funds be spent on U.S. suppliers by the end of the deal.

“Israel managed to put itself into a position in recent years, clearly since the 2016 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) went into force, which essentially and deliberately required her to spend about 95% of the U.S. military assistance in the United States,” she said.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/28/exclusive-caroline-glick-warns-israel-perilously-dependent-munitions-bidens-2-state-plan-would-annihilate-israel/

This is disturbing. So in other words, Brandon controls the war between Israel and her enemies; specifically Hamas. If Bibi is not successful, we will be facing a war on our own turf.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 28, 2023, 07:49:30 pm
Quote
Guardian Updates
5h ago
10.00 EST

Summary of the day so far …

It is 5pm in Gaza City and in Tel Aviv. Here are the latest headlines …

Egypt said on Thursday that it had put forward a framework proposal to end the conflict between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip that includes three stages ending with a ceasefire, and said it was awaiting responses on the plan. Egyptian security sources had previously said the proposal included a multi-stage ceasefire involving prisoner releases by Israel and Hamas.

The main focus of fighting is now in central areas, where Israeli forces have ordered civilians out over the past several days as their tanks advance. Tens of thousands of people fleeing the huge Nusseirat, Bureij and Maghazi districts were heading south or west on Thursday into the already overwhelmed city of Deir al-Balah along the Mediterranean coast, crowding into hastily built camps of makeshift tents. Israel’s military campaign and its repeated orders for civilians to evacuate to the south of the Gaza Strip have led to the displacement of 85% of the Palestinian population.

A total of 21,320 Palestinians have been killed and 55,603 injured in Israeli strikes on Gaza since 7 October, the Gaza health ministry spokesperson Ashraf al-Qidra said on Thursday. Qidra said 210 Palestinians had been killed in the past 24 hours. The health ministry in Gaza is run by Hamas.

The UN agency for Palestine refugees (UNRWA) has said 40% of Gaza’s population was now at risk of famine. The agency said it was distributing flour to families in southern Gaza but there was “simply not enough food”. The schools that it has converted into shelters are four times over capacity.

A UN report published on Thursday deplored what it said was a “rapid deterioration” of human rights in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and urged Israeli authorities to end violence against the Palestinian population there. The office of the UN high commissioner for human rights (OHCHR) said it had recorded mass arbitrary detentions, unlawful detentions, and cases of reported torture and other forms of ill-treatment of Palestinian detainees. It said about 4,785 Palestinians had been detained and 300 killed in the occupied West Bank since 7 October.

One Palestinian has been killed and at least 15 injured in overnight raids by the Israeli military targeting money exchange shops in cities in the occupied West Bank. Israel’s national security minister published an image that he claimed showed items confiscated by Israel. In his message, Itamar Ben-Gvir claimed that “tens of millions of shekels, safes, documents, recording systems and telephones that were intended to finance Hamas terrorism were confiscated”.

The number of Israeli service personnel injured during the war against Hamas has now reached roughly 3,000. That figure includes nearly 900 soldiers wounded since Israel began its ground offensive inside Gaza in late October. More than 160 soldiers have been killed since the ground operation began. It has not been possible for journalists to independently verify the casualty figures being issued during the conflict.

A drone has crashed near a village in the Israel-annexed Golan Heights, Israel’s army has said, after an Iraqi armed group with links to Hamas militants claimed responsibility for an attack in the area. Israeli media reported that a drone probably carrying explosives launched from Syria was shot down late Wednesday evening south of the settlement of Eliad, causing no injuries but some material damage. On Thursday Israel said it had shot down a drone that crossed into its territory from Lebanon.

Israel’s military chief, Herzi Halevi, has said his forces were “at a very high level of readiness” amid escalating Hezbollah attacks from Lebanon.The Israeli war cabinet minister, Benny Gantz, separately said the situation on the country’s northern border “demands change” and the time for diplomacy was running out.

Germany and its EU partners are examining whether they could mount a new maritime mission to protect commercial vessels under threat of attack in the Red Sea, a foreign ministry spokesperson said on Thursday. Yemen’s rebel Houthis have been targeting vessels using the Red Sea and Suez canal route in order, they say, to target shipping with links to Israel
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 28, 2023, 08:04:01 pm
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Improper munition said cause of high death toll in strike on Gaza’s Maghazi
Times of Israel, Dec 28, 2023

An Israel Defense Forces strike that killed dozens of people in the Maghazi camp in the center of the Gaza Strip earlier this week was carried out using improper ordnance, a military official told the Kan public broadcaster on Thursday.

“The type of munition did not match the nature of the attack, causing extensive collateral damage that could have been avoided,” the official said.

The army said later Thursday that it “regretted the harm” to noncombatants in the incident, saying the strike had targeted Hamas operatives but caused unexpected harm to Gazans who were not involved.

According to Hamas-run health authorities in Gaza, 68 people were killed in the strike in the Maghazi camp, east of Deir al-Balah, in the center of the Strip, late Sunday. The toll cannot be verified and could include Hamas fighters. Associated Press journalists at a nearby hospital said they watched frantic Palestinians carry the dead, including a baby, and the wounded following the strike.

In response to the Kan report on Thursday, an IDF spokesperson said the air force attacked “several Hamas operatives” at two adjacent locations. It said “steps were taken” ahead of the attack to minimize the harm to noncombatants.” Its initial investigation showed that “additional buildings were struck… in a way that apparently led to the unexpected harming of noncombatants.” The IDF said the incident was being investigated further.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/improper-munition-said-cause-of-high-death-toll-in-strike-on-gazas-maghazi/
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 28, 2023, 08:22:04 pm
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KEY UPDATE
57 min ago
Washington Post
Victoria Bisset and Lior Soroka

Human rights situation rapidly deteriorating in West Bank, U.N. agency says

Israel launched more raids Thursday inside the West Bank, where a new U.N. report finds that the human rights situation there has “deteriorated rapidly” since Oct. 7.

The Israel Defense Forces said that authorities launched operations in the West Bank against people suspected of financing Hamas, arresting 21 people and confiscating money and documents. The IDF also said it attacked a group of militants in Jenin who “fired at our forces.” The Palestinian Monetary Authority condemned the raids, saying in a statement that they undermined the Palestinian banking sector and violated international law.

Official Palestinian news agency Wafa said that one person was killed and 14 others injured in confrontations with Israeli forces in the center of Ramallah, the de facto capital of the occupied territory. The day before, Palestinian health authorities said six people were shot dead in Tulkarm.

The escalation in violence since Oct. 7 brings the total number of those killed in the West Bank to at least 300, including 79 children, according to a report published by the U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights on Wednesday.

In that period, Israeli forces killed at least 292 Palestinians in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, it found; Israeli settlers killed eight people, while a further two were killed either by forces or settlers. Three Israeli service members and one civilian have been killed in the West Bank since Oct. 7, it added. The report said that violence in the West Bank was at its highest levels since the United Nations began keeping records in 2005.

At a news conference Thursday, Tal Heinrich, a spokeswoman for the Israeli prime minister’s office, said the report “belittles the major security threats to Israelis” and said Israeli operations in the West Bank were targeting militants intent on destroying Israel.

"Our forces are operating in [the West Bank] to keep that front as quiet as possible despite the many challenges that we have there,” she said.

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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 28, 2023, 08:46:18 pm
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UN report calls on Israel to ‘end unlawful killings’ in West Bank
The Hill, Dec 28, 2023

A United Nations report published Thursday details the “rapidly deteriorating human rights situation” in the West Bank and called on Israel to end the “unlawful killings” against Palestinians.

The report, published by the Office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR), called for an “immediate end to the use of military weapons and means during law enforcement operations” and an end to the “arbitrary detention and ill-treatment of Palestinians.”

The report found that from Oct. 7 — when Hamas invaded Israel in a surprise attack — until Wednesday, there were 291 Palestinian deaths in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, by the Israel security forces. A majority of the deaths were men, but at least 79 children have been killed in the West Bank.

At least 105 deaths were recorded during Israeli law enforcement operations using airstrikes or other military tactics, and 201 were recorded during law enforcement operations or confrontations not involving an exchange of fire, the report said.

There were nearly 5,000 arrests that were “regularly accompanied” by physical, psychological and sexual abuse.

According to The Associated Press, more than 500,00 Israelis live in settlements built in the occupied West Bank. The U.N. report found settlers “took advantage of the permissive environment” after Oct. 7 “to accelerate displacement” and violence against Palestinian communities and expand Israeli control.


More:
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4379981-un-report-israel-unlawful-killings-west-bank/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 28, 2023, 08:49:25 pm
NYTimes: Hamas Tortured, Raped Israeli Women at Several Sites in October 7 Attack

The New York Times published a lengthy and disturbing summary on Thursday of the evidence gathered thus far supporting the accusations that Hamas terrorists raped and mutilated many Israeli women during the terror attack of October 7. Hamas also murdered about 1,200 people, and took about 240 hostages to Gaza.

As Breitbart News has noted, evidence of the rapes has thus far relied on eyewitness testimony of people who saw what happened, as well as people who found or examined bodies of victims.

Forensic evidence more typical of criminal investigations — such as DNA samples — were not collected, because the Israeli military was focused on the ongoing fight against Hamas terrorists inside Israel, and because bodies were buried swiftly in accordance with Jewish law.

The Times article reports — apparently for the first time — that there are four living survivors of the rapes, including three women and one man, but they have been too disturbed by their experiences to cooperate with police.

The Times notes:

    A two-month investigation by The Times uncovered painful new details, establishing that the attacks against women were not isolated events but part of a broader pattern of gender-based violence on Oct. 7.

    Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated.

    Four witnesses described in graphic detail seeing women raped and killed at two different places along Route 232, the same highway where Ms. [Gal] Abdush’s half-naked body was found sprawled on the road at a third location.

    And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site and in two kibbutzim in a similar state as Ms. Abdush’s — legs spread, clothes torn off, signs of abuse in their genital areas.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/28/nytimes-hamas-tortured-raped-israeli-women-at-several-sites-in-october-7-attack/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 29, 2023, 01:28:41 pm
Biden Has ‘Frustrating’ Call With Netanyahu Over Withheld Palestinian Authority Funds
Tense phone call comes amid reports of growing rift between the two leaders as calls for a ceasefire mount
Published 12/28/23 11:55 PM ET|Updated 2 hr ago
Aneeta Mathur-Ashton

President Joe Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu held a difficult phone conversation last week over Israel’s decision to withhold part of the tax revenue it collects for the Palestinian Authority.

Axios was the first to report the news after two U.S. and Israeli officials and a source with knowledge of the issue revealed the tense conversation. 

A U.S. official said the 45-minute call, which took place last Saturday, was one of the hardest and most "frustrating" conversations the two leaders have had since the beginning of Israel’s ground operation in Gaza following the Hamas attack Oct. 7.

The tax revenues Israel collects for the Palestinian Authority as part of an agreement is a critical source of funds for the government body which oversees portions of the West Bank, and is already suffering from a financial crisis.

Israel's far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich decided in October to suspend payment of the funds after the Hamas attack. The Israeli government said later it would turn over the money, except for the funds that go to Hamas-run Gaza.

But the Palestinian Authority refused to accept the partial payment.

more
https://themessenger.com/politics/biden-has-frustrating-call-with-netanyahu-over-withheld-palestinian-authority-funds
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Post by: mountaineer on December 29, 2023, 01:35:38 pm
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President Joe Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu held a difficult phone conversation last week
If true, it was because Joe had no clue why he was on the phone or to whom he was speaking.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on December 29, 2023, 02:30:31 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
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For 2nd day in a row, IDF carries out extensive strike in Lebanon; army says fighter jets bombed multiple sites following launches at Israel. If this continues, IDF will gradually eliminate a significant chunk of Hezbollah assets, but Iranian supplies are coming in... 👇

❗️Iran accelerates weapons shipments to Hezbollah to prepare for large military clash vs. Israel, @ynetalerts reports; Tehran sends high-precision munitions for attacks on Israeli home front & sensitive facilities
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Recent IDF strikes in Syria aim to disrupt deliveries of rockets, missiles, drones; Iranians also supplied many SA-67 surface-to-air missiles against IDF aircraft; Hezbollah already targeted several Israeli UAVs, missiles intercepted by IDF.

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Post by: Wingnut on December 29, 2023, 03:52:53 pm
Israel is about to get Ukraine'd by our pro-Hamas President Poopy Pants.  With friends like the US you don't need enemies.
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 29, 2023, 04:17:04 pm
IDF shows media a Hamas tunnel, where holes drop several metres deeper to other parts of the network
Sky correspondent Nicola Johnston has visited several Gaza tunnels over the years, but these were crude in comparison to the one the IDF showed her in the north.

By Nicole Johnston, Sky News correspondent, in northern Gaza

Wednesday 27 December 2023 14:35, UK

Nicole Johnston in a Hamas tunnel under Gaza1:47
Play Video - Inside a Hamas tunnel in Gaza
Nicole Johnston explores a tunnel under Gaza, the kind Hamas use to move weapons from one end of the Strip to another.
 
Hamas has always had a reputation for having some of the best underground tunnels of any militia.

In a media tour arranged by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) into Gaza, one of the most impressive examples the Israeli military has discovered was on full display.

The entrance was just inside Gaza, only a few hundred metres from the Erez border crossing with Israel, where there was a gaping hole in the sand.
 
IDF troops at the entrance to the tunnel they say was built by Hamas
Inside was a heavily fortified tunnel, and without doubt the largest I have ever seen in Gaza.

https://news.sky.com/story/idf-shows-media-a-hamas-tunnel-where-holes-drop-several-metres-deeper-to-other-parts-of-the-network-13038167
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 29, 2023, 04:21:10 pm
Mia Shem opens up about Gaza captivity: ‘Everyone there is a terrorist’
"It's important to me to reveal the truth about the people who live in Gaza, about who they really are," Shem says in a preview of an interview.
 
(December 28, 2023 / JNS)
In her first television interview since being released from Hamas captivity in the Gaza Strip four weeks ago, Israeli Mia Shem opens up about the abuse she suffered at the hands of Palestinian residents of the coastal enclave.

“It’s important to me to reveal the truth about the people who live in Gaza, about who they really are,” Shem says in a preview of an interview with Israel’s Channel 13 News, set to air on Thursday evening.

“I went through a Shoah,” Shem told the broadcaster, adding: “Everyone there [in Gaza] is a terrorist.

“Entire families are under Hamas. I realized I was staying with a family. I started to ask myself, why am I in a family home? Why are there children here? Why is there a wife here?” she explained.

https://www.jns.org/mia-shem-opens-up-about-gaza-captivity-everyone-there-is-a-terrorist/
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 29, 2023, 04:23:57 pm
Second American held hostage by Hamas confirmed dead in Gaza
Last week, Kibbutz Nir Oz announced Haggai's husband, Gad, also an Israeli American, was dead
By Lawrence Richard Fox News
Published December 28, 2023 11:01am EST
 
Fox News foreign correspondent Trey Yingst reports on the latest as the Israeli military continues offensive across the Gaza Strip on 'Special Report.'

A second American being held hostage by Hamas in the Gaza Strip has died, Fox News has learned.

Judi Weinstein Haggai and her husband, both Israeli Americans in their 70s, were shot and taken hostage from their community of Kibbutz Nir when Hamas-led forces mounted a deadly terror attack on Israeli communities on Oct. 7. They disappeared in the fields surrounding Kibbutz Nir Oz early that Saturday morning and had not been heard from since.

On Thursday, the community announced that Haggai was dead. She was one of eight Americans being held captive by Hamas in Gaza.


The announcement comes just a week after the community said Haggai's husband, Gad, had died. He was the first American hostage to die in the conflict between Israel and Hamas.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/judi-haggai-becomes-second-american-hostage-die-gaza-during-israel-hamas-war
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 29, 2023, 05:05:55 pm
Israel is about to get Ukraine'd by our pro-Hamas President Poopy Pants.  With friends like the US you don't need enemies.

Israel has known this for decades.
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Post by: Hoodat on December 29, 2023, 05:46:11 pm
Quote
UN report calls on Israel to ‘end unlawful killings’ in West Bank
The Hill, Dec 28, 2023

Let me know when the UN decides to call on Hamas for ending the unlawful killings in Israel.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 29, 2023, 05:50:30 pm
Biden Has ‘Frustrating’ Call With Netanyahu Over Withheld Palestinian Authority Funds
Tense phone call comes amid reports of growing rift between the two leaders as calls for a ceasefire mount
Published 12/28/23 11:55 PM ET|Updated 2 hr ago
Aneeta Mathur-Ashton

President Joe Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu held a difficult phone conversation last week over Israel’s decision to withhold part of the tax revenue it collects for the Palestinian Authority.

This is the same money that the PA uses to pay the families of suicide bombers.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 29, 2023, 08:02:35 pm
Report: Biden Pushes Netanyahu to Give Palestinians Money, Mid-war

President Joe Biden is reportedly putting pressure on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to transfer tax money to the Palestinian Authority (PA) that Israel collects on its behalf, but which it has suspended since the terror attacks of October 7.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/29/report-biden-pushes-netanyahu-to-give-palestinians-money-mid-war/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: jafo2010 on December 29, 2023, 08:22:04 pm
Israel needs to ignore the Biden Idiocracy and destroy Gaza in its entirety. 

And nothing less than kill everything in its path.  Any other policy is pure idiocy, something the Biden Idiocracy is superb at doing.

I just can't believe we have 5 more years of this fool with the fixed election of 2024.  The big questions is, once they blatantly fix it again, do the American people rise up or remain complacent?  I say complacent, regardless of how blatant the cheating is!

You think we have had inflation with the first three years, just wait.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 29, 2023, 08:25:20 pm
A Hamas tunnel shaft was found inside a mosque in Gaza.
https://twitter.com/VividProwess/status/1740357876231598324

You think this is a surprise?  They end in Gaza neighborhoods, mosques, schools, hospitals, parks....  and in Israel, itself.   

The tunnels, built over at least 12 years, are so extensive, estimated at hundreds of miles long, that Israelis call them the Gaza Metro.

The only surprise is Netanyahu and his security forces have looked the other way since 2009.






Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 29, 2023, 08:48:19 pm
Report: Biden Pushes Netanyahu to Give Palestinians Money, Mid-war

President Joe Biden is reportedly putting pressure on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to transfer tax money to the Palestinian Authority (PA) that Israel collects on its behalf, but which it has suspended since the terror attacks of October 7.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/29/report-biden-pushes-netanyahu-to-give-palestinians-money-mid-war/

Not méntioned in the Breitbart article ---

Quote
According to the officials, Biden asked Netanyahu to accept a proposal that the Israeli prime minister raised himself several weeks ago: to transfer the withheld tax revenues to Norway for safekeeping until an arrangement can be found that will assuage Israel's concerns that the funds could reach Hamas.

A U.S. official said Netanyahu backtracked and said he doesn't think this is a good idea anymore.  He told Biden he doesn't trust the Norwegians,

https://www.axios.com/2023/12/28/biden-netanyahu-call-palestinian-authority-tax-revenue
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 29, 2023, 08:54:03 pm
The only surprise is Netanyahu and his security forces have looked the other way since 2009.

Please stop posting lies on this forum.



The Long History Of The Gaza Tunnels

Emily Harris  |  JULY 26, 2014  |  4:15 PM ET


(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/07/25/gaza-tunnel2_custom-a8297e3eed08e3161bfd1313ce23525d8c223675-s1600-c85.webp)
An Israeli army officer on Friday shows journalists a Palestinian tunnel that runs from the Gaza Strip into Israel. Israel says its current military campaign is aimed at destroying the tunnels.
Jack Guez/AFP/Getty Images


During the current round of fighting in the Gaza Strip, Kareem, a 40-year-old Palestinian, witnessed a Hamas tunnel exposed.

"There is a chicken coop near us," said Kareem, who lives on the eastern edge of Gaza City, bordering on farmland. "We know it's a chicken coop."

But an Israeli attack, which destroyed the chicken house, revealed a tunnel heading east toward Israel, he said.

.  .  .

This week, the military published a map showing six tunnels beginning in Shejaiya snaking under the double fence at the border, and into Israel.

This is one area Israeli leaders would likely try to keep troops on the ground as long as they are able, even during a ceasefire, to shut down militant activity, including tunnels.

"We're not willing for [Hamas] to come and meet us in our backyard," said IDF spokesman Peter Lerner. "We want to meet them in theirs."

Overall, Israel says it's found more than 30 tunnels in Gaza since the fighting began.  .  .

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/07/26/335332220/the-long-history-of-the-gaza-tunnels
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on December 29, 2023, 09:55:39 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/gaza-tunnels-hamas-israel/

Quote
About 30 tunnels were destroyed during the 2014 conflict. At the time, Israeli officials said Hamas had built more than 1,300 tunnels since 2007 at a cost of $1.25 billion, diverting funds that could have been spent on public infrastructure in Gaza.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 30, 2023, 02:24:20 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
·
Israeli forces move deeper into Khan Younis, @N12News

 reports; troops raid Hamas command centers including military intel HQ; army bombed 50 targets ahead of ground maneuvers, killed terrorists in multiple strikes & raids.

Gaza war update:
IDF kills 30 terrorists in Gaza City as forces engage in clashes, Air Force bombs multiple terror targets; heavy fighting reported in Khan Younis, fighter jets & tanks strike in Nuseirat camp as army expands reach in southern & central Gaza. via @ynetalerts
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 30, 2023, 02:26:28 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/gaza-tunnels-hamas-israel/
Quote
About 30 tunnels were destroyed during the 2014 conflict. At the time, Israeli officials said Hamas had built more than 1,300 tunnels since 2007 at a cost of $1.25 billion, diverting funds that could have been spent on public infrastructure in Gaza.

ICYMI @Hoodat
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on December 30, 2023, 02:26:43 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
·
Confirmed Hezbollah death toll rises to 133; IDF: 80% of Hezbollah rockets fired yesterday landed in Lebanon. via @N12News
 & @GLZRadio
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 30, 2023, 02:29:54 pm
Please stop posting lies on this forum.

Please stop posting on this forum without taking your medication.  @Hoodat












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Post by: mystery-ak on December 30, 2023, 03:37:34 pm
 REPORT: Biden Tried to Bully Netanyahu (and Failed) During Recent Phone Call, Then Hung Up on Him
Nick Arama


Tensions are increasing between President Joe Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. According to a new report at Axios, a frustrated Biden hung up on Netanyahu after a dispute about how to handle tax revenues the Israeli government collects for the Palestinian Authority.

I wrote earlier this week about a report that Biden allegedly talked Netanyahu out of a "preemptive strike" on Hezbollah that Israel was reportedly planning in the wake of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by Hamas. That report comes at a time when Biden needs to be seen as more of a competent leader, and Netanyahu shot it down.

Now we learn from "unnamed sources" that the two had a call last Saturday in which Biden was basically trying to tell Netanyahu what to do, and when he wasn't going for it, Biden hung up on him. U.S. officials are now dinging Bibi, terming it one of the most difficult and "frustrating" conversations the two have had.

more
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/12/30/report-biden-hung-up-on-netanyahu-n2168095

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Post by: mountaineer on December 30, 2023, 04:09:27 pm
Quote
Now we learn from "unnamed sources" that the two had a call last Saturday in which Biden was basically trying to tell Netanyahu what to do, and when he wasn't going for it, Biden hung up on him. U.S. officials are now dinging Bibi, terming it one of the most difficult and "frustrating" conversations the two have had.
Can you imagine how Bibi reacted after the old coot hung up on him? Probably just looked at the phone handset and said, "What the hell was that bunch of insanity?" And everyone just shrugged.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on December 30, 2023, 04:49:35 pm
Can you imagine how Bibi reacted after the old coot hung up on him? Probably just looked at the phone handset and said, "What the hell was that bunch of insanity?" And everyone just shrugged.
Personally I think it was probably Joe's keepers that hung up to keep him from saying something really stupid(I know) or threatening to kick Bibi's ass just like he did that bad dude Corn Pop!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on December 30, 2023, 04:51:19 pm
Can you imagine how Bibi reacted after the old coot hung up on him? Probably just looked at the phone handset and said, "What the hell was that bunch of insanity?" And everyone just shrugged.

I don't think Biden hung up I think he got cut off when  the operator said "forty cents more
For the next three minutes" and Joe had no cents.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 30, 2023, 06:53:23 pm
ICYMI @Hoodat

The cited sentence directly contradicts this lie that you posted:  "The only surprise is Netanyahu and his security forces have looked the other way since 2009."

Either it's that you missed it, or it's your complete lack of integrity that blocks you from seeing what is plainly clear to the rest of us.  Seriously, how can anyone reconcile these two statements?

About 30 tunnels were destroyed during the 2014 conflict


Netanyahu and his security forces have looked the other way since 2009

Either they looked the other way, or they found and destroyed tunnels.  You can't have it both ways, ICYMI.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on December 30, 2023, 07:30:53 pm
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender

The Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu stated tonight during a Press Conference that the War in Gaza is now in Full Swing with it expected to carry on across all Fronts for several more months; he further states that they have so far Eliminated at least 8,000 Hamas and PIJ Terrorists since October 7th, but that additional time is still needed to achieve Operational Goals.

OSINTdefender
@sentdefender

He also stated that Iran is the Head of the Axis of Evil and that they are Countering them across the World but that he won’t go into Details; this is clearly a Jab at Former-Prime Minister, Naftali Bennett who wrote an Op-Ed for the Wall Street Journal recently where he called out Netanyahu and the United States for not doing enough against Iran, detailing 2 Strikes he ordered as Prime Minister against Targets inside of Iran.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on December 30, 2023, 07:50:38 pm


Either it's that you missed it, or it's your complete lack of integrity that blocks you from seeing what is plainly clear to the rest of us.



@Hoodat   She suffers from a terminal case of Israelophobia.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 30, 2023, 08:39:41 pm
Can you imagine how Bibi reacted after the old coot hung up on him? Probably just looked at the phone handset and said, "What the hell was that bunch of insanity?" And everyone just shrugged.

I prefer to think that everyone busted out laughing.  As if Biden was some telemarketer, and they kept giving nonsense answers just to see how long they could keep him on the line.

  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGVE5U-64p8)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 30, 2023, 11:15:01 pm
 Israel investigates reports of tunneling in West Bank as locals fear imminent Oct. 7 style attack
By Anders Hagstrom , Fox News   
Published Dec. 30, 2023, 5:17 p.m. ET

Israeli officials have ordered new investigations into reports of digging noises under an Israeli town near the West Bank this week.

Residents of Bat Hefer have reported hearing digging noises beneath their homes, which lies just across the border from the West Bank city of Tulkarem.

Officials have conducted three previous checks and found no evidence of tunneling, but the city council has now ordered an additional two checks, according to the Times of Israel.

One Bat Hefer resident recorded the noises and played them on a public broadcast, according to Israeli media.

Citizens across the country remain in a heightened state of tension as they fear another attack similar to Hamas’ Oct. 7 massacre.

more

https://nypost.com/2023/12/30/news/israel-investigates-reports-of-tunneling-in-west-bank-as-locals-fear-imminent-oct-7-style-attack/
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 31, 2023, 12:14:15 am
Quote
Israel seeks full control of Gaza-Egypt border, Netanyahu says
Reuters, Dec 30, 2023

CAIRO/GAZA/JERUSALEM, Dec 30 (Reuters) - Israel must take full control of the Gaza Strip border corridor with Egypt to ensure a "demilitarisation" of the area, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Saturday, as Israel's military pushed deeper into central and southern Gaza.

Speaking at a press conference, Netanyahu said: "The Philadelphi Corridor - or to put it more correctly, the southern closing point (of Gaza) - must be in our hands. It must be shut. It is clear that any other arrangement would not ensure the demilitarisation that we seek."

He did not elaborate. If accomplished, such a move would mark a de facto reversal of Israel's 2005 withdrawal from Gaza, placing the enclave under exclusive Israeli control after years being run by the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

Netanyahu's comments about the buffer zone came as Israeli military forces pressed ahead with an offensive that the prime minister reiterated will last "for many more months."

More:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/fighting-between-israeli-forces-hamas-rages-after-nearly-200-killed-gaza-2023-12-30/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 31, 2023, 12:31:36 am
Quote
Netanyahu warns Iran, Hezbollah of 'blows it never dreamed of'
Jerusalem Post Updates, Dec 30, 2023

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu issued a stern warning to Iran and Hezbollah and confirmed that the Gaza war could continue for months, amid a push to bring to fruition a Qatari proposal to secure the release of additional hostages.

“On the northern border - we are landing heavy blows against Hezbollah, eliminating many terrorists and destroying the enemy's capabilities,” Netanyahu said in a press conference in Tel Aviv on Saturday night.

“We approved operational plans for the continuation of the fighting. If Hezbollah expands the war - it will receive blows it never dreamed of, and so will Iran. We will act in any way until we restore security to the residents of the north,” Netanyahu stated.

“Iran leads the axis of evil and aggression against us on the various fronts,” Netanyahu stated.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 31, 2023, 12:34:20 am
Israel investigates reports of tunneling in West Bank as locals fear imminent Oct. 7 style attack
By Anders Hagstrom , Fox News   
Published Dec. 30, 2023, 5:17 p.m. ET

Do a better job than was done when these reports, too, were made in 2014.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 12:49:10 am
https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1741173113117684073
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 12:51:46 am
https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1741239865524576765
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 12:52:58 am
The Jerusalem Post
@Jerusalem_Post
·
2h
The IDF has killed Hamas operative Abd el-Fatah Maali, the right-hand man of Yahya Ayash, the Hamas bomb-maker known as the "Engineer," according to reports in Palestinian media on Saturday.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 12:54:15 am
Instant News Alerts
@InstaNewsAlerts
·
6h
Wall Street Journal reports that by mid-December, Israel had dropped 29,000 bombs, munitions and shells on the Gaza Strip. Nearly 70% of Gaza’s 439,000 homes and about half of its buildings have been damaged or destroyed. Rebuilding the housing will take 7 to 10 years.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 12:54:37 am
Instant News Alerts
@InstaNewsAlerts
·
Dec 29
#BREAKING: Iran is speeding up the transfer of precision weapons to Hezbollah, in preparation for a large-scale conflict between Hezbollah and Israel . (Ynet)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 12:55:59 am
https://twitter.com/OALD24/status/1741184103070720043
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on December 31, 2023, 01:16:55 am
The Jerusalem Post
@Jerusalem_Post
·
2h
The IDF has killed Hamas operative Abd el-Fatah Maali, the right-hand man of Yahya Ayash, the Hamas bomb-maker known as the "Engineer," according to reports in Palestinian media on Saturday.

Just watched "The Engineer" on Netflix the other day.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 31, 2023, 01:20:22 am
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Ruling out resigning, PM says he’s made Israel stronger; is cautious on hostage deal
Times of Israel, Dec 30, 2023

Primer Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday said he has no plans to resign and indicated he intends to remain in power once the war is over, to ensure Gaza is demilitarized and no new terror threat can emerge from there following Hamas’s October 7 massacres in southern Israel.

Asked about his plans for the day after the war in the face of calls for him to resign, Netanyahu replied: “The only thing I’m going to resign from is Hamas.”

"In the years I’ve led the State of Israel, it got much stronger,” he asserted, despite the country having sustained the worst one-day losses in its history on October 7, with most of the 1,200 victims of the Hamas slaughter being civilians. He cited the fact that “we can manage a multi-front campaign” that will soon have lasted 90 days, with a “wonderful army,” a strong economy and “international backing.”

"To achieve absolute victory, to fulfill all our goals, more time is needed. We act all the time with determination and strength, and I would like to emphasize — we do this while protecting the lives of our fighters as much as possible,” he said, adding that Israel was now “deepening the fight against Hamas.”

He stressed that he was also committed to restoring security along the border with Lebanon in the north amid escalating Hezbollah attacks, so the residents who were evacuated from there can return home.

Some critics of Netanyahu linked the failure to stop the shock incursion to the prime minister’s policy of passing along funds from Qatari to appease Hamas and the now-debunked concept that the terror group had been deterred by previous rounds of fighting.

According to a Channel 13 news survey published earlier this month, 70 percent of Israelis believe Netanyahu should resign as prime minister.

During Saturday’s press conference, Netanyahu also stressed his government’s actions in the West Bank, declaring that under his leadership “we work around the clock: arresting terrorists, eliminating terrorists, thwarting many terrorist attacks.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ruling-out-resigning-pm-says-hes-made-israel-stronger-is-cautious-on-hostage-deal/

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Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 01:32:43 pm
 US sinks 3 Houthi boats in Red Sea after attack on merchant ship
by Lauren Sforza - 12/31/23 7:56 AM ET

The United States sunk three small Houthi boats in the Red Sea early Sunday morning following another attack on a merchant ship as tensions continue to rise in the region. 

U.S. Navy helicopters from the USS Eisenhower and the Gravely responded to a distress call issued by the container ship Maersk Hangzhao — the second distress call the ship issued in less than 24 hours due to “being under attack by four Iranian-backed Houthi small boats,” according to the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM). CENTCOM said that the boats, which originated from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen, fired at the Maersk Hangzhao and attempted to board the vessel after getting within 20 meters of the container ship.

The U.S. Navy helicopters were responding to the distress call and starting to give out verbal orders when the Houthi-controlled boats fired at them with crew-served weapons and small arms.  The helicopters sunk three of the four small boats and killed the crews, CENTCOM said.

“The U.S. Navy helicopters returned fire in self-defense,” CENTCOM said in a statement. 

The fourth boat fled the area. CENTCOM said that no U.S. forces were injured and there was no damage to U.S. equipment. 

more
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4383140-us-sinks-3-houthi-boats-in-red-sea-after-attack-on-merchant-ship/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 01:34:12 pm
Houthis Hit Container Ship in Red Sea; Defy Biden’s ‘Coalition of the Unwilling’

The Iran-backed Houthi militia in Yemen fired a missile that struck the Maersk Hangzhou in the Red Sea on Saturday, according to U.S. Central Command — the first successful strike against a commercial ship since the U.S. formed a coalition to deter attacks.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/30/houthis-hit-container-ship-in-red-sea-defy-bidens-coalition-of-the-unwilling/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on December 31, 2023, 01:41:00 pm
Hamas using Chinese weaponry:
https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1741164445177360830
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 02:27:32 pm
Brothers saved dozens at Nova, fighting terrorists with commander’s phoned-in advice
Daniel and Neria Sharabi defended some 30 rave attendees sheltering behind a tank, using unfamiliar weapons as reserve commander gave instructions over the phone
By ToI Staff 29 December 2023, 10:38 am

Two brothers saved dozens of lives during the massacre by Hamas terrorists at the Supernova music festival on October 7 by providing fire cover for escapees with weapons they found in a tank, while receiving instructions over the phone from an IDF officer. Some 360 of the 1,200 people killed in southern Israel that day were slaughtered at the outdoor festival.

According to a Channel 12 news report, rave attendees Daniel and Neria Sharabi fended off terrorists with firearms from the tank near the site of the massacre, also treating the wounded who were hiding with them.

With Daniel’s former IDF commander, Yoni Skariszewski, advising them by telephone, the brothers saved some 30 partygoers sheltering behind the tank amid the Hamas onslaught, the report said.

more w/photos
https://www.timesofisrael.com/brothers-saved-dozens-at-nova-fighting-terrorists-with-commanders-phoned-in-advice/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 07:12:55 pm
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1741490989313704183
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on December 31, 2023, 07:20:14 pm
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1741490989313704183
:pondering: A joint statement, eh? Are we making sure that the Houthi are given enough time to clear out from their positions before we attack?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 31, 2023, 07:27:52 pm
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
An Joint-Statement is reportedly expected to be made in the coming hours by the United States, Britain, and an Unknown European Country, announcing that they are in Final Preparations for a Large-Scale Military Operation against the Houthi Terrorist Group in Yemen which will include the launch of Hundreds of Missiles and Airstrikes against Pre-Planned Targets in Western Yemen and the Red Sea.

If only the Japanese had warned us before striking Pearl Harbor.  Biden is essentially warning them to evacuate certain locations that are obvious targets so that they can live to continue with their terroristic activities.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 31, 2023, 07:29:40 pm
Hamas using Chinese weaponry:

Making those US tax dollars go farther.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 07:34:13 pm
https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1741532879388119494
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 07:35:15 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
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2h
Gaza war numbers via @N12News
:
IDF killed some 7,000 terrorists in northern Gaza; this includes 2 division commanders, 20 battalion commanders, 50 company commanders.
Israeli forces eliminated 1,300 terrorists in southern Gaza so far after shifting focus to Khan Younis area.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 31, 2023, 07:37:14 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
Reports from Gaza: IDF cuts off western & eastern areas of Khan Younis, numerous terrorists killed in Israeli ops

In other words, Bibi told Biden to pound sand.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 07:38:44 pm
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1741500748637012146
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 07:40:37 pm
https://twitter.com/InstaNewsAlerts/status/1741536867294511516
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 31, 2023, 07:43:28 pm
In other words, Bibi told Biden to pound sand.

Bibi knows Shortbus Joe, and has taken his measure of the idiot. 

Looking at the "Coalition of the Willing" Puddinhead put together to repel the Houthi aggression is a great example.  As soon as it was announced the US will lead the coalition, everybody else dropped out.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Fishrrman on December 31, 2023, 10:09:04 pm
"In other words, Bibi told Biden to pound sand."

ol' white joe won't be "pounding any sand".
He doesn't even know what's happening.

But...
I sense that ValJar, Susan Rice, John Brennan and (of course) B. Hussein will be hoppin' mad about it...
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 31, 2023, 11:35:20 pm
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1741577042313785735
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 01, 2024, 12:15:54 am
Weren't Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates fighting the Houthis until peacenik crybabies in the Biden Admin wept for the Houthis, and pressured UAE and Saudi to backdown?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2024, 12:41:25 am
Palestinian Terrorists Ring in New Year 2024 with Rocket Barrage at Israeli Cities

Palestinian terrorists rang in the New Year on Sunday evening by firing a large barrage of rockets at Israeli cities at midnight, in a statement of defiance against the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) advance deep into the Gaza Strip.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/31/palestinian-terrorists-ring-in-new-year-2024-with-rocket-barrage-at-israeli-cities/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2024, 12:43:49 am
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1741526963573948879
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2024, 01:07:25 am
https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1741391243337216182
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2024, 02:34:31 pm
Israel announces partial troop withdrawal from Gaza in new phase of Hamas war
Some Israeli reservists will return to work to stimulate the economy for a long-haul war
By Anders Hagstrom Fox News
Published January 1, 2024 6:34am EST
Israel plans to partially withdraw its forces from Gaza in the coming months as the war against Hamas enters a new phase Monday.

Israeli Defense Forces will now shift toward more targeted operations against Hamas, reducing the use of artillery and air strikes. Some of the reservists pulled up for active duty will also return to civilian life to help stimulate the economy, Reuters reported.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reiterated this weekend that the war is set to last many more months, however.

"This will take six months at least, and involve intense mopping-up missions against the terrorists. No one is talking about doves of peace being flown from Shajaia," an Israeli official told Reuters, referring to a district in Gaza.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/world/israel-announces-partial-troop-withdrawal-gaza-new-phase-hamas-war

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 01, 2024, 03:29:35 pm
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN
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'In order to make sure that the Hamas regime collapses in Gaza, the IDF will need to take control of the Philadelphi road'

Col. (res.) @GrishaConsult  of @cogatonline discusses the importance of securing the border between #Gaza and Egypt

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1741838108688052530 (https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1741838108688052530)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 01, 2024, 03:32:44 pm
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN
‘An indication of positive progress’

@INSSIsrael researcher, Prof. Kobi Michael breaks down the IDF’s decision to release five brigades from the fighting in Gaza and the developments regarding Hezbollah and the Lebanese front

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1741825458772070703 (https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1741825458772070703)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2024, 03:34:14 pm
Hamas Denies Rapes, Claims Abducted Israeli Women Were Treated Well

The Palestinian terrorist group Hamas once again denied that its members committed rape and sexual violence during the October 7 attacks, despite ample evidence from eyewitnesses and forensic evidence recently documented by the New York Times.
The Times of Israel reported Monday:

    Hamas refutes the New York Times report on the weaponization of rape and sexual violence during the Gaza terror group’s brutal onslaught against Israel on October 7.

    In a statement in Arabic and English, Hamas politburo member Basem Naim claims that the Western media and news agencies are “biased to what the Israeli propaganda says [in terms of] lies and slanders against the Palestinians and their resistance.”

    Describing the October 7 savagery as “glorious,” Naim falsely claims that the New York Times report was based on accounts given indirectly by “women who said they heard other women repeating these allegations,” but there is “no conclusive evidence” that rapes took place.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/01/hamas-denies-rapes-claims-abducted-israeli-women-were-treated-well/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2024, 04:24:15 pm
Iran Warship Enters Increasingly Contested Red Sea Shipping Lanes

Tehran announced Monday it has sent a warship into the increasingly contested waters of the Red Sea as navies from other nations work to stem attacks from Iran-backed Houthi terrorists.

The semi-official Tasnim news agency reported Iran’s frigate Alborz, launched in 1969 on completion by Vickers in the UK, will fly the country’s flag across the key shipping lanes.

In its report, Tasnim did not specify the details of the Alborz’s mission but highlighted what it claimed were the regional implications of Israel’s war against Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

“Following rising tensions in the Gaza war, there has been an acceleration in developments in the Gulf of Aden and the Bab al-Mandeb Strait,” it said, repeating words of action long pronounced by Tehran in its war with the west.

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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/01/01/iran-warship-enters-increasingly-contested-red-sea-shipping-lanes/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 01, 2024, 04:25:15 pm
The video showing an Israeli woman in jogging pants with blood-stains in the groin area as Hamas was moving her from one vehicle to another vehicle was pretty convincing.

Still, Hamas also murdered babies like wolves preying on lambs.

It's time to use black ops to unwind the Iran Revolutionary Guard and its proxy networks.  The nomadic goat-herders in Gaza, southern Lebanon, Iraq, and Yemen are getting their equipment, training, and logistics from somebody ... perhaps Iran?

Since Iran prefers to spend money on spreading terror, and not humanitarian needs, Iran needs to be isolated from world financial networks, and there needs to be a ban on the transportation or import of Iranian oil.

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 01, 2024, 05:06:43 pm
Iran Warship Enters Increasingly Contested Red Sea Shipping Lanes

.  .  .

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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/01/01/iran-warship-enters-increasingly-contested-red-sea-shipping-lanes/

Sink it.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on January 01, 2024, 05:18:03 pm
Sink it.
Yes, may it experience a sudden buoyancy deprivation along the lines of
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wf4exIiQr8
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2024, 06:26:32 pm
 Israel kills Hamas commander who helped lead Oct. 7 attacks
By Social Links for Jesse O’Neill
Published Jan. 1, 2024, 1:04 p.m. ET

Israeli troops killed a Hamas commander who helped lead the Oct. 7 terror attack that killed some 1,200 people and saw about 240 others taken hostage.

Adil Mismah, the Nukhba Company Commander of the city of Deir al-Balah, was “eliminated,” Israeli Defense Forces wrote on X Monday.

Mismah had led terrorists into the Kibbutz Kissufim and ordered other gunmen to ravage the communities of Nirim and Be’eri, according to The Jerusalem Post.

The commander was slain in an airstrike directed by Israeli ground troops, officials said.

The IDF said troops also “struck Hamas and Islamic Jihad terror targets” in Shejaiya and located a large cache of weapons as well as destroying a launch post and “eliminating” a terror cell that had attacked Israeli troops.

more
https://nypost.com/2024/01/01/news/israel-kills-hamas-commander-who-helped-lead-oct-7-attacks/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 01, 2024, 06:37:05 pm
Adil Mismah, the Nukhba Company Commander of the city of Deir al-Balah, was “eliminated,” Israeli Defense Forces wrote on X Monday.

Another one bites the dust.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 01, 2024, 10:50:23 pm
Hussain Abdul-Hussain
@hahussain
Notice: Not a single one of the armed Hamas terrorists in the footage is in military uniform. If they are killed, the world will blame Israel for “killing civilians.”  Also, this is the first time I see what happens after Hamas terrorists fire on Israeli tanks. In Hamas Aljazeera propaganda footage, pic is always frozen in the middle of the blast, never showing what happens next (apparently nothing).
5:20 PM · Jan 1, 2024

GoPro footage recovered from a Hamas member killed by the IDF shows the group's operational methods in the Gaza Strip.:
https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1741814122688155752
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 01, 2024, 11:05:06 pm
Since Iran prefers to spend money on spreading terror, and not humanitarian needs, Iran needs to be isolated from world financial networks, and there needs to be a ban on the transportation or import of Iranian oil.

There already is.  But the Biden regime has chosen not to enforce it.  Since Biden took office, Iran oil revenues have risen from almost nothing to over $60 billion a year.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 01, 2024, 11:07:35 pm
GoPro footage recovered from a Hamas member killed by the IDF shows the group's operational methods in the Gaza Strip.:

They missed the tank.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 01, 2024, 11:10:31 pm
They missed the tank.
It did appear that way, but they claimed they took out three vehicles.  :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2024, 11:26:41 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
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3h
Israel rejects Hamas offer for new hostage deal, @WallaNews
 reports; proposal called for IDF withdrawal from Gaza, Israel said no.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2024, 11:28:36 pm
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1741963746266784049
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2024, 11:32:43 pm
https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1741905454844793110
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 02, 2024, 12:00:47 am
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1741963746266784049

Are their Laser Pointers all burnt out?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 02, 2024, 12:49:01 am
Are their Laser Pointers all burnt out?
Forgot to buy fresh batteries.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 02, 2024, 01:46:32 pm
Hamas leader with suitcases full of U.S. dollars.
https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1742171096449687940
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 02, 2024, 02:31:50 pm

USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier heads home after standing guard near Israel following Oct. 7 attack
January 2, 2024 | 3:48am

The Ford was deployed to the Eastern Mediterranean so it could be within striking distance of Israel following the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas.

The strike group includes the aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford, eight squadrons of attack and support aircraft, Ticonderoga class guided missile cruiser USS Normandy, and missile destroyers USS Thomas Hudner, USS Ramage, USS Carney and USS Roosevelt.

US 6th Fleet officials said in the coming days, the fleet will redeploy to its home port as scheduled, where it will prepare for future deployments.

The Department of Defense will continue to evaluate force posture globally and retain an extensive presence in the Middle East and Mediterranean, officials added.

Ships that will remain in the area include the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group, additional cruisers and destroyers in both the Middle East and Mediterranean and the recent arrival of the Wasp-class amphibious ship USS Bataan and Harpers Ferry-class dock landing ship USS Carter Hall in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea.

more
https://nypost.com/2024/01/02/news/uss-gerald-r-ford-aircraft-carrier-heads-home-after-standing-guard-in-mediterranean-sea/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 02, 2024, 04:24:39 pm
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Israel Radar
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1m
Reports from Lebanon: Senior Palestinian terror leader killed in Beirut; some witnesses say aircraft launched strike near Hamas offices, other sources say car bomb. via @sapirlipkin
 & @GLZRadio

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Trey Yingst
@TreyYingst
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16m
NEW: A large explosion was reported in the Beirut suburb of Dahiyeh. I'll update as we get more information.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 02, 2024, 04:25:24 pm
https://twitter.com/InstaNewsAlerts/status/1742218760713380019
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 02, 2024, 04:26:35 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
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40m
Israeli troops in Khan Younis engaged in intensive efforts to reach hostages; each IDF division designates forces to collect clues on location of captives; intel info indicates some hostages were held in apartments of Hamas operatives. via @WallaNews
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 02, 2024, 05:19:39 pm
When do bombs start falling on Iran?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 02, 2024, 06:15:30 pm
Instant News Alerts
@InstaNewsAlerts
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12m
#BREAKING: Israel bracing for possible harsh Hezbollah response including long range rocket fire in response to Israel bombing in Hezbollah stronghold near Beirut
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on January 02, 2024, 06:41:22 pm
When do bombs start falling on Iran?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8hEtI9AI0U
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 02, 2024, 07:09:11 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
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46m
2 points about Beirut assassination:
- Israel has VERY GOOD intel capabilities; Hamas chiefs knew they must be extra-careful. Israel still got them.
-  Israel is not afraid to take extreme action in Lebanon, even at risk of escalating fight vs. Hezbollah.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 02, 2024, 07:35:24 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8hEtI9AI0U

That song got heavy air play when I was a DJ....
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 02, 2024, 07:38:47 pm
That song got heavy air play when I was a DJ....

I had forgotten about it, but, yes, I do recall hearing that played a few times.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 02, 2024, 07:45:39 pm
I had forgotten about it, but, yes, I do recall hearing that played a few times.

It was the kind of song that went from heavy airplay to not even Oldie status.  Not unusual for parody songs.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 02, 2024, 08:36:47 pm
 Explosions sounded inside the American Al-Shaddadi base in the southern countryside of Al-Hasakah.
https://twitter.com/jj_talking/status/1742270521281274038
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 02, 2024, 08:50:15 pm
Israel defense minister says several thousand Hamas fighters remain in Gaza
Yoav Gallant says Hamas started the war with as many as 18,000
By Greg Norman Fox News
Published January 2, 2024 2:24pm EST

Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant estimated Tuesday that the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas still has several thousand fighters left in the Gaza Strip after beginning the war with between 15,000 to 18,000.

Gallant, speaking during a visit to troops inside Gaza, also said it would be a mistake to think that Israel is planning on halting the war, according to The Associated Press.

"The feeling that we will stop soon is incorrect," he said. "Without a clear victory, we will not be able to live in the Middle East."

Gallant said Israel has destroyed 12 Hamas battalions in northern Gaza, and although this does not mean Hamas has been eliminated altogether, the terrorist organization's capabilities are limited.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/world/israel-defense-minister-says-several-thousand-hamas-fighters-remain-gaza
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DB on January 02, 2024, 09:04:38 pm
Blue Oyster Cult did an Iran/Ayatollah song...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aqyw8ghHII
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 02, 2024, 09:29:17 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
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46m
2 points about Beirut assassination:
- Israel has VERY GOOD intel capabilities; Hamas chiefs knew they must be extra-careful. Israel still got them.
-  Israel is not afraid to take extreme action in Lebanon, even at risk of escalating fight vs. Hezbollah.

BEIRUT (AP) — An explosion in Beirut on Tuesday killed Saleh Arouri, a top official with the Palestinian militant group Hamas and three others, officials with Hamas and the Lebanese group Hezbollah said.

Lebanon’s state-run National News Agency said the blast killed four people and was carried out by an Israeli drone. Israeli officials declined to comment.

If Israel is behind the attack it could mark a major escalation in the Middle East conflict. Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah has vowed to retaliate against any Israeli targeting of Palestinian officials in Lebanon.

Hamas official Bassem Naim confirmed to The Associated Press that Arouri was killed in the blast. A Hezbollah official speaking on condition of anonymity in line with regulations also said Arouri was killed.

Arouri, one of the founders of Hamas' military wing, had headed the group's presence in the West Bank. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had threatened to kill him even before the Hamas-Israel war began on Oct. 7.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/mysterious-blast-shakes-beiruts-southern-162738415.html
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2024, 12:47:41 am
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The Guardian Updates
30m ago
18.00 EST

Summary of the day...

This is Richard Luscombe in the US, handing over our blog coverage to colleagues in Australia. Thanks for joining me.

It’s 1am on Wednesday in Gaza City, Jerusalem and Beirut. Here are the main developments we’ve been following in the Israel-Hamas war:

Senior Hamas official Saleh al-Arouri was killed in an explosion in the southern Beirut suburb of Dahiyeh, reportedly caused by a targeted Israeli drone strike. Israel has not accepted responsibility, but says “whoever did this… [it was] a surgical strike against the Hamas leadership”.

Six people were killed in the explosion, reports say, including al-Arouri, a founder of Hamas’s military wing long targeted by Israel, and two leaders of Hamas’s elite military al-Qassam Brigades. Lebanon’s caretaker prime minister, Najib Mikati, condemned a “new Israeli crime” and said the country was filing a complaint to the United Nations security council.

Israel’s military forces are in a state of “high readiness” following the assassination, a senior spokesman without acknowledging his country’s involvement in the incident. Rear Adm Daniel Hagari told reporters “We are focused and remain focused on fighting against Hamas. We are on high readiness for any scenario”.

Hezbollah said its finger “is on the trigger” as it promised vengeance for Arouri’s death, and later claimed it had launched a so-far unconfirmed missile attack on Israeli troops. The group said the attack in Beirut was “a serious assault on Lebanon… that will not go without a response or punishment” in a statement posted to Telegram.

Hamas said it won’t release any more hostages it took during the 7 October attacks on Israel, except under its own terms. The group’s political chief, Ismail Haniyeh, told Reuters he laid out the Hamas position to officials of Egypt and Qatar, countries trying to broker a ceasefire similar to the one in November that saw more than 100 hostages freed. Haniyeh is demanding “a complete cessation of the aggression” by Israel.

Turkey arrested 34 people on suspicion of spying for Mossad on behalf of Israel. “The Israeli intelligence service is recruiting personnel to be used in acts against Palestinians residing in our country and their families.,” a government official said. Without providing evidence, the official said the suspects were also spreading fake news and disinformation, carrying out robberies and blackmail for Israeli intelligence.

Israeli defense minister Yoav Gallant said military operations in the south of the Gaza Strip around Khan Younis were focused on areas above what he said was a tunnel network where Hamas leaders were believed to be hiding. “We are reaching them all ways. There already is engagement and there are hostages there too sadly,” he told Israeli troops in footage shown on Israeli television, Reuters said.

The Palestine Red Crescent Society reported “several fatalities and wounded” at its headquarters in Khan Younis as a result of Israeli missile. “The occupation renews its bombardment of the PRCS headquarters in Khan Younis for the second time, resulting in several fatalities and wounded among the 14,000 displaced individuals housed in the PRCS’s premises and the adjacent Al-Amal hospital,” the group said in a statement.

At least 22,185 Palestinians have been killed and more than 57,000 wounded by Israel’s military action in Gaza, according to updated figures from the health ministry. It says that 207 Palestinians were killed and 338 were wounded in the past 24 hours. The Gaza health ministry is run by Hamas. The figures do not distinguish between civilians and combatants.

Separately, the Israeli military has claimed to have killed about 8,000 fighters in the Gaza Strip during its campaign. Additionally, since 7 October, at least 321 Palestinians have been killed in the occupied West Bank by Israeli troops or settlers. It has not been possible for journalists to independently verify the casualty figures being issued during the conflict.

Israel Defense Forces have killed four alleged Palestinian militants during a raid in the occupied West Bank town of Azzun, the IDF has said. In addition it said it had arrested seven others. More than 2,550 people have been arrested in the occupied territory since the Israel-Hamas war began.

Israel will defend its actions in Gaza at the international court of justice in The Hague after South Africa launched a case against the state accusing it of genocide last week, Israeli media has reported. “Israel, a longstanding signatory to the Genocide Convention, will not boycott the proceedings. We will participate and refute the absurd accusation that amounts to blood libel,” national security adviser Tzachi Hanegbi told the news site Ynet.

The first UK maritime shipment of aid for Gaza has arrived in Egypt, carrying almost 90 tonnes of thermal blankets and other essential items. The shipment was delivered from Cyprus by royal fleet auxiliary ship Lyme Bay, and the aid will be distributed within the Gaza Strip by UNRWA.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2024, 12:54:08 am
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The Guardian Updates
33m ago
00.16 GMT

French president calls on Israel to avoid escalation

French President Emmanuel Macron has called on Israel to avoid escalation, “particularly in Lebanon”, after a strike in Beirut that killed Hamas’s deputy leader, the Élysée Palace said on Tuesday.


Israel has so far not admitted or denied responsibility for the attack. Government adviser Mark Regev has told MSNBC that “whoever did this … [it was] a surgical strike against the Hamas leadership”.

Agence France-Presse (AFP) is reporting that Macron spoke by telephone with Israeli minister and war cabinet member Benny Gantz. The presidency said:

"It was essential to avoid any escalatory attitude, particularly in Lebanon, and that France would continue to pass on these messages to all players directly or indirectly involved in the area."

Hamas number two Saleh al-Aruri was killed in a strike in a suburb of Beirut on Tuesday evening, the Palestinian militant group and Lebanese security officials said.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2024, 12:56:31 am
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The Guardian Updates
1h ago
23.52 GMT

The United States has reached a deal to extend its military presence at a base in Qatar for another 10 years, a source familiar with the matter told the Reuters news agency on Tuesday.

It’s believed to be the Al Udeid airbase, which is located in the desert southwest of Doha and hosts the largest US military facility in the Middle East, the source said, asking Reuters not to be identified. The development was reported first by CNN.

The US Department of Defense did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Tuesday. The tiny Gulf state has played a key role in mediation talks with Hamas and Israeli officials in relation to the war in Gaza.

US President Joe Biden has regularly spoken with the emir of Qatar since the 7 October attacks on securing the release of hostages held by Hamas and on boosting aid to Gaza.

There has also been criticism of Qatar by some in the US Congress over Hamas’ presence in the country.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2024, 01:08:25 am
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Bernie Sanders calls on Congress to block funding to Israel
Jan 2, 2023

Bernie Sanders, the progressive senator of Vermont, issued a statement Tuesday calling on Congress to block additional funding to Israel amid the war in Gaza, where more than 22,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks after Hamas killed 1,200 people in Israel on 7 October.

“While we recognize that Hamas’ barbaric terrorist attack began this war, we must also recognize that Israel’s military response has been grossly disproportionate, immoral and in violation of international law,” Sanders said.

“Enough is enough. Congress must reject that funding. The taxpayers of the United States must no longer be complicit in destroying the lives of innocent men, women, and children in Gaza.”

Sanders’ statement came as Congress considers Joe Biden’s request for $10bn in aid to Israel as part of a larger funding package meant to assist US allies, including Ukraine, and address border security. Last month, Sanders notably opposed a $111bn funding proposal backed by Democrats because of his concerns about the money for Israel included in the bill.

“Israel has the absolute right to defend itself against the Hamas terrorists who attacked them on October 7,” Sanders said in a statement explaining his vote. “They do not have the legal or moral right to kill thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Gaza".

More:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/02/bernie-sanders-reject-aid-to-israel
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2024, 01:32:32 am
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Far-right ministers call to ‘resettle’ Gaza’s Palestinians, build settlements in Strip
Times of Israel, Jan 1, 2023

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s two senior far-right partners endorsed the rebuilding of settlements in the Gaza Strip and the encouraging of “voluntary emigration” of Palestinians on Monday, while hawkish opposition MK Avigdor Liberman called for Israel to reoccupy southern Lebanon.

Speaking during their parties’ respective faction meetings in the Knesset, National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich presented the migration of Palestinian civilians as a solution to the long-running conflict and as a prerequisite for securing the stability necessary to allow residents of southern Israel to return to their homes.

The war presents an “opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza,” Ben Gvir told reporters and members of his far-right Otzma Yehudit party, calling such a policy “a correct, just, moral and humane solution.”

“We cannot withdraw from any territory we are in in the Gaza Strip. Not only do I not rule out Jewish settlement there, I believe it is also an important thing,” he said.

The “correct solution” to the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict is “to encourage the voluntary migration of Gaza’s residents to countries that will agree to take in the refugees,”  Smotrich told members of his Religious Zionism party, predicting that “Israel will permanently control the territory of the Gaza Strip,” including through the establishment of settlements.

The idea of population transfer, once considered a fringe view held by members of the ultranationalist Kahane movement, was given renewed prominence in mainstream Israeli political discourse this November when MKs Danny Danon (Likud) and Ram Ben-Barak (Yesh Atid) published an op-ed piece for The Wall Street Journal, calling for “countries around the world to accept limited numbers of Gazan families who have expressed a desire to relocate.”

***********************************

Separately on Monday, Yisrael Beytenu leader Avigdor Liberman called for Israel to reoccupy southern Lebanon, saying the country must “pay in territory” for damage caused by Hezbollah strikes on Israel’s northern towns.

The former defense minister, a member of the opposition, said Israel’s military must “close off” a swath of southern Lebanon and push the terror group north of the Litani River, even if it means occupying the area for 50 years

“We will not annex anything, and we will not build settlements, but we will release the territory only when there is a government in Beirut that knows how to exercise its sovereignty,” he said.

“Everything between the Litani and Israel must be under the control of the IDF,” added Liberman, likening it to the post-World War II military occupation of Germany. “If Lebanon won’t pay in territory, we haven’t done anything,” he said.



More:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ministers-call-for-resettling-gazas-palestinians-building-settlements-in-strip/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2024, 01:45:40 am
Blue Oyster Cult did an Iran/Ayatollah song...


Well played, sir.  Well played.  Cultösaurus Erectus is one of those albums that should only be played loud.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2024, 01:48:48 am
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The Guardian Updates
33m ago
00.16 GMT

French president calls on Israel to avoid escalation

French President Emmanuel Macron has called on Israel to avoid escalation, “particularly in Lebanon”, after a strike in Beirut that killed Hamas’s deputy leader, the Élysée Palace said on Tuesday.


Let me know when Macron calls on Hamas/Hezzbollah/Islamic Jihad to avoid escalation.  Israel wouldn't have had to bomb Beruit had not Hamas first escalated.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2024, 01:50:32 am
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Far-right ministers call to ‘resettle’ Gaza’s Palestinians, build settlements in Strip
Times of Israel, Jan 1, 2023

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s two senior far-right partners endorsed the rebuilding of settlements in the Gaza Strip and the encouraging of “voluntary emigration” of Palestinians on Monday, while hawkish opposition MK Avigdor Liberman called for Israel to reoccupy southern Lebanon.

The only problem with this is that there isn't a single muslim country on the planet that will take in Palestinian refugees.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 03, 2024, 01:57:40 am
Let me know when Macron calls on Hamas/Hezzbollah/Islamic Jihad to avoid escalation.  Israel wouldn't have had to bomb Beruit had not Hamas first escalated.
:amen:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2024, 04:08:00 am

The only problem with this is that there isn't a single muslim country on the planet that will take in Palestinian refugees.

What makes you think Netanyahu's minions are limiting the migration to Middle East nations? 

FTA:

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The “correct solution” to the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict is “to encourage the voluntary migration of Gaza’s residents to countries that will agree to take in the refugees,”  Smotrich told members of his Religious Zionism party, predicting that “Israel will permanently control the territory of the Gaza Strip,” including through the establishment of settlements.








Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2024, 04:34:28 am


Let me know when Macron calls on Hamas/Hezzbollah/Islamic Jihad to avoid escalation.  Israel wouldn't have had to bomb Beruit had not Hamas first escalated.

Fair enough.

But, this is a new level of escalation ---- heading for a war with the state of Lebanon: 

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Separately on Monday, Yisrael Beytenu leader Avigdor Liberman called for Israel to reoccupy southern Lebanon, saying the country must “pay in territory” for damage caused by Hezbollah strikes on Israel’s northern towns.

The former defense minister, a member of the opposition, said Israel’s military must “close off” a swath of southern Lebanon and push the terror group north of the Litani River, even if it means occupying the area for 50 years

“We will not annex anything, and we will not build settlements, but we will release the territory only when there is a government in Beirut that knows how to exercise its sovereignty,” he said.

“Everything between the Litani and Israel must be under the control of the IDF,” added Liberman, likening it to the post-World War II military occupation of Germany. “If Lebanon won’t pay in territory, we haven’t done anything,” he said.


More:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ministers-call-for-resettling-gazas-palestinians-building-settlements-in-strip/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2024, 04:41:34 am
But, this is a new level of escalation ---- heading for a war with the state of Lebanon:

Maybe Lebanon should start acting like a state and stop letting Hezzbollah/Hamas/Islamic Jihad use it as a base to launch attacks against Israel.  As I recall, it was Israel that was first attacked from Lebanon.  That was the escalation.  Mess around with Israel and find out.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2024, 05:02:21 am
Maybe Lebanon should start acting like a state and stop letting Hezzbollah/Hamas/Islamic Jihad use it as a base to launch attacks against Israel.  As I recall, it was Israel that was first attacked from Lebanon.  That was the escalation.  Mess around with Israel and find out.

The State of Lebanon has not attacked Israel.

In fact, the Lebanese government has given Israel free rein to bomb Hezbollah at will within its borders for many years..  Israel has taken taken advantage of this --- at will ---- frequently, but failed to get the job done, 

To threaten taking Lebanese territory in retaliation will likely create another state enemy in their neighborhood and put Israel on track to goad an outright war.

Maybe Israeli leadership should consider switching to decaf for a few months.

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Separately on Monday, Yisrael Beytenu leader Avigdor Liberman called for Israel to reoccupy southern Lebanon, saying the country must “pay in territory” for damage caused by Hezbollah strikes on Israel’s northern towns.

The former defense minister, a member of the opposition, said Israel’s military must “close off” a swath of southern Lebanon and push the terror group north of the Litani River, even if it means occupying the area for 50 years

“We will not annex anything, and we will not build settlements, but we will release the territory only when there is a government in Beirut that knows how to exercise its sovereignty,” he said.

“Everything between the Litani and Israel must be under the control of the IDF,” added Liberman, likening it to the post-World War II military occupation of Germany. “If Lebanon won’t pay in territory, we haven’t done anything,” he said.


More:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ministers-call-for-resettling-gazas-palestinians-building-settlements-in-strip/




Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 03, 2024, 05:29:17 am


Let me know when Macron calls on Hamas/Hezzbollah/Islamic Jihad to avoid escalation.  Israel wouldn't have had to bomb Beruit had not Hamas first escalated.
Macron is likely trying to placate his own Muslim immigrant population, unwisely let in, and now a problem right there in France. Likely, if he advocated the elimination of Hamas, relentlessly and without mercy, he would be tied up with uprisings and terror events at home. If he succeeds in placating them, all he has done is delayed what will occur anyway without some serious changes in policy.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 03, 2024, 05:30:39 am
Hard to believe Sanders is Jewish.
Yeah, well it's hard to believe the Pope is Catholic nowadays.

I haven't been trailing any bears. :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2024, 02:18:06 pm
 Israel on alert for wider conflict after death of senior Hamas official in Lebanon
by Tara Suter - 01/03/24 9:05 AM ET

A senior Hamas official was reportedly killed in a strike Wednesday in Lebanon’s capital city, putting Israel on high alert should the conflict in the region widen.

According to local news channels, Israel carried out a bombing that killed Saleh al-Arouri, the deputy chief of the political bureau for the Palestinian militant group in Beirut. The Hamas official is the highest-ranked member killed in the ongoing war between Israel and the group in Gaza.

The State Department listed al-Arouri as a terrorist and offered a $5 million reward for information about him, according to the Associated Press.

Despite the win for Israel in taking out the official, Hamas leaders have been quickly supplanted in the past. There’s also the question on how the Israeli bombing in an area where Iran-backed Hezbollah is strong could affect current fighting along the Lebanese-Israeli border.

more
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4386539-israel-alert-for-wider-conflict-senior-hamas-official-killed-lebanon/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2024, 03:04:08 pm
https://twitter.com/elikowaz/status/1742233608562045408
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 03, 2024, 03:50:28 pm
Heard (Sky News) that more than 100 were killed in Iran with TWO explosions timed to garner the most fatalities.

People were demonstrating the anniversary of the death of Sulemani [sic]

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 03, 2024, 05:34:17 pm
Heard (Sky News) that more than 100 were killed in Iran with TWO explosions timed to garner the most fatalities.

People were demonstrating the anniversary of the death of Sulemani [sic]

Are they trying to blame this on the two Satans yet?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2024, 05:46:17 pm
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Smotrich doubles down on resettlement of Gazans, rejecting US criticism
Times of Israel, Jan 3, 2024

Rejecting the US State Department’s condemnation of calls for the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich on Wednesday reiterated his support for encouraging “voluntary emigration” of the Strip’s population to other countries as part of his postwar vision.

The leader of the far-right Religious Zionism party claimed in a statement that “more than 70 percent of the Israeli public today supports” encouraging emigration as “a humanitarian solution,” but did not provide a source for this statistic.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, another senior far-right coalition partner of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, hit back at Washington shortly after it aired its criticism Tuesday.

“The United States is our best friend, but first of all we will do what is best for the State of Israel: the migration of hundreds of thousands from Gaza will allow the residents of the [Gaza] envelope to return home and live in security and will protect the IDF soldiers,” Ben Gvir posted on X. “I really admire the United States of America but with all due respect, we are not another star in the American flag.”

While he has issued statements insisting they do not represent government policy, Netanyahu himself gave the go-ahead for government members to support the plan to encourage Palestinians to leave the enclave.

Last Monday, he told a Likud faction meeting that he is working to facilitate the voluntary migration of Gazans to other countries. “Our problem is [finding] countries that are willing to absorb Gazans, and we are working on it,” he said.

The prime minister was responding to Likud MK Danny Danon, who claimed that “the world is already discussing the possibilities of voluntary immigration,” though the idea has been roundly rejected by the international community.

The war presents an “opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza,” Ben Gvir told reporters and members of his far-right Otzma Yehudit party, calling such a policy “a correct, just, moral and humane solution.”


More:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-doubles-down-on-resettlement-of-gazans-rejecting-us-criticism/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 03, 2024, 05:55:47 pm
Smotrich doubles down on resettlement of Gazans, rejecting US criticism
Times of Israel, Jan 3, 2024

[...]

While he has issued statements insisting they do not represent government policy, Netanyahu himself gave the go-ahead for government members to support the plan to encourage Palestinians to leave the enclave.

Last Monday, he told a Likud faction meeting that he is working to facilitate the voluntary migration of Gazans to other countries. “Our problem is [finding] countries that are willing to absorb Gazans, and we are working on it,” he said.

The prime minister was responding to Likud MK Danny Danon, who claimed that “the world is already discussing the possibilities of voluntary immigration,” though the idea has been roundly rejected by the international community.

The war presents an “opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza,” Ben Gvir told reporters and members of his far-right Otzma Yehudit party, calling such a policy “a correct, just, moral and humane solution.”


More:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-doubles-down-on-resettlement-of-gazans-rejecting-us-criticism/

The Jewish State of Israel is arguing ethnic cleansing is "a correct, just, moral and humane solution".   Interesting times.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2024, 06:40:54 pm
WATCH: Hamas Trains Palestinian Children in Weapons, Terror Tunnels

The Hamas terror organization trains Palestinian children to prepare them to become terrorists as adults, allowing them to handle heavy weapons and guiding them through mock terror tunnels, according to videos and photos released on Wednesday.

(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2024/01/IMG_4983-e1704300467754.jpg)
(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2024/01/IMG_4985-e1704300981570.jpg)

more w/video
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/03/watch-hamas-trains-palestinian-children-in-weapons-terror-tunnels/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 03, 2024, 06:41:50 pm
I wasn't going to go there out of respect for you.   :patriot:
:beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2024, 09:40:15 pm
The Jewish State of Israel is arguing ethnic cleansing is "a correct, just, moral and humane solution".   Interesting times.

That is not at all what the 'Jewish State' is arguing.  Please stop posting lies on this forum.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 04, 2024, 02:15:41 am
That is not at all what the 'Jewish State' is arguing.  Please stop posting lies on this forum.
Exactly. Their argument is simple. They are not going to tolerate terrorists on their doorstep any more.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2024, 02:44:42 am
That is not at all what the 'Jewish State' is arguing.  Please stop posting lies on this forum.

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Ethnic cleansing:  Rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group, which is contrary to international law.

FTA:
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Rejecting the US State Department’s condemnation of calls for the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich on Wednesday reiterated his support for encouraging “voluntary emigration” of the Strip’s population to other countries as part of his postwar vision.

The prime minister was responding to Likud MK Danny Danon, who claimed that “the world is already discussing the possibilities of voluntary immigration,” though the idea has been roundly rejected by the international community.

The war presents an “opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza,” Ben Gvir told reporters and members of his far-right Otzma Yehudit party, calling such a policy “a correct, just, moral and humane solution.”

More:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-doubles-down-on-resettlement-of-gazans-rejecting-us-criticism/

Interesting times .......
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2024, 02:54:57 am
Exactly. Their argument is simple. They are not going to tolerate terrorists on their doorstep any more.

Okay.  Understandable ---- you agree with the reasons for calling for it, but does your agreement change the definition of "ethnic cleansing? 

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Ethnic cleansing:  Rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group, which is contrary to international law.




Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2024, 03:07:24 am
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Haaretz Updates
12:24 AM

U.K. joins condemnation of far-right Israeli ministers' calls for displacement of Palestinians from Gaza

A senior British minister has joined condemnation of calls by far-right Israeli ministers for the displacement of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip. The United States, Germany and France have all taken issue with comments by extremist members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government.

"Gaza is occupied Palestinian Territory and will be part of the future Palestinian state. No Palestinian should be threatened with forcible displacement or relocation. Alongside our international partners, we deplore inflammatory remarks by Israeli Ministers Smotrich and Ben Gvir.

— Lord (Tariq)Ahmad of Wimbledon (@tariqahmadbt) January 3, 2024"

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2024, 03:07:34 am

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Ethnic cleansing:  Rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group, which is contrary to international law.

FTA:
Quote
Rejecting the US State Department’s condemnation of calls for the resettlement of Palestinians outside of Gaza, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich on Wednesday reiterated his support for encouraging “voluntary emigration” of the Strip’s population to other countries as part of his postwar vision.

The prime minister was responding to Likud MK Danny Danon, who claimed that “the world is already discussing the possibilities of voluntary immigration,” though the idea has been roundly rejected by the international community.

The war presents an “opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza,” Ben Gvir told reporters and members of his far-right Otzma Yehudit party, calling such a policy “a correct, just, moral and humane solution.”


Interesting times .......

"Voluntary immigration" is completely different from "using force or intimidation to remove".   Again, please stop posting lies on this forum.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2024, 03:12:08 am
Okay.  Understandable ---- you agree with the reasons for calling for it, but does your agreement change the definition of "ethnic cleansing? 

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Ethnic cleansing:  Rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group, which is contrary to international law.

You are describing what Hamas does, not what Israel does.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2024, 03:25:56 am

"Voluntary immigration" is completely different from "using force or intimidation to remove".   Again, please stop posting lies on this forum.

Ethnic cleansing is *always* presented as "voluntary".  Withholding movement, safety, housing, water, medical supplies, electricity, food and employment are the provable and reliable ways of rendering "voluntary" a political sham.





Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2024, 03:31:12 am
So in your bizzarro world, "voluntary immigration" is synonymous with "using force or intimidation to remove"?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 04, 2024, 03:41:11 am
Okay.  Understandable ---- you agree with the reasons for calling for it, but does your agreement change the definition of "ethnic cleansing?
Does getting rid of Hamas necessitate that no one but Israelis live in Gaza? Does it preclude Arabs or Muslims living there?
No. It gets rid of Hamas.
What percentage of seed stock of Hamas would you preserve and turn loose to regrow the organization?

Terrorist behaviour does not constitute an ethnicity.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2024, 03:45:51 am
The only one here trying to "change the definition of 'ethnic cleansing'" is @Right_in_Virginia
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2024, 04:11:08 am
Does getting rid of Hamas necessitate that no one but Israelis live in Gaza? Does it preclude Arabs or Muslims living there?

Israeli resettlement would take care of this @Smokin Joe   And, this, too, is part of the relocation proposal.  Take a peek at the West Bank.

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No. It gets rid of Hamas.

Wouldn't it also get rid of all trapped living under the Hamas seige?  Remember, there hasn't been an election in Gaza since 2006  and Hamas wrestled control of the coalition government right after that election.

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What percentage of seed stock of Hamas would you preserve and turn loose to regrow the organization?

What are you proposing here?

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Terrorist behaviour does not constitute an ethnicity.

Is Israel proposing cleansing Gaza solely of Hamas terrorists?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2024, 04:32:24 am
Israeli resettlement would take care of this @Smokin Joe   And, this, too, is part of the relocation proposal.  Take a peek at the West Bank.

See Area C (the tan areas)?  That's where Jewish settlements are located.  They were founded in areas where no one lived.

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/210abe586086444076bfb86179bc15dc/4f2d24b0f6dc85be-a2/s1280x1920/14382d8ae4cb6e0b3fbe1a631f9fa8642a5708a2.jpg)

And here are the Jewish settlements.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bbc.co.uk%2Fnol%2Fshared%2Fspl%2Fhi%2Fmiddle_east%2F03%2Fv3_israel_palestinians%2Fmaps%2Fimg%2Fcitiesandpopulation_300.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=a0cc03d2b1303bea8dd2babdfa0eaadf7b87399b4d809ba69efb59bb185af6b9&ipo=images)

Enough with the lies already.  Israel isn't forcing Palestinians off their land.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2024, 05:44:54 am
Enough with the lies already.  Israel isn't forcing Palestinians off their land.

Enough with your fantasies.  Israel is forcing Palestinians off their land.  And the battles are escalating, which is why the Netanyahu regime moved two commando companies from the Gaza border to the West Bank just days before the Oct 7 attack.



Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2024, 06:11:32 am
Repeating a lie does not make it true.  Especially a 75-year-old lie.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 04, 2024, 10:57:05 am
Repeating a lie does not make it true.  Especially a 75-year-old lie.

'Ethnic Cleansing'

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1405730226961823 (https://www.facebook.com/reel/1405730226961823)

Maybe you should go back to the UKRAINE map for your avatar?  /s

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 04, 2024, 11:27:51 am
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/01/the_problem_with_lies.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/01/the_problem_with_lies.html)

January 4, 2024
The Problem with Lies
By Jim Gammon

Nowadays, we have a plethora of lies that are told knowingly and openly and without shame.

• "Genocide" is defined as the systematic extermination of a race. Either Israel is really bad at it, or it is in a war against Hamas, not committing genocide against Palestinians. 10-20,000 civilian deaths is terrible in human terms. But with two million Gaza residents and about 20,000 killed, including Hamas? Poorly done genocide.

The real problem in the Middle East? Jews refused to convert to Islam. The same is true of the nomads, Druze and Christians. Prominent Muslim leaders demand non-Muslims to either convert, subdue, or die. It isn't only about Jews, you are just as evil for not converting to Islam. Don't think you're excused because you have an open heart, even people from the wrong form of Islam (Sunni/Shia/Ibadi/Ahmadiyya/Sufism) are just as evil as Jews, to most Muslim leaders.

• Our media is free, fair and impartial. Okay, stop laughing. When Peter Jennings said that 90% of the media is left wing, including him, you should have believed him. If you wish to believe they don't tilt the news to the Left, wake up. The examples are enormous. Just one? President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder cooked up a plan to force U.S. gun sellers to provide guns to Mexican criminals, so that they could blame the NRA and gun owners. They were caught red-handed and then stonewalled the investigation. Holder refused to even testify. He had every chance to disprove the facts, he declined and the media dropped the subject.

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Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on January 04, 2024, 03:03:04 pm
Enough with your fantasies.  Israel is forcing Palestinians off their land.  And the battles are escalating, which is why the Netanyahu regime moved two commando companies from the Gaza border to the West Bank just days before the Oct 7 attack.

One more time with vigor!

There is no such thing as a Palestinian!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2024, 03:51:43 pm
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Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2024, 03:52:24 pm
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Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2024, 03:53:58 pm
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Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2024, 04:47:57 pm
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Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2024, 06:01:26 pm
One more time with vigor!

There is no such thing as a Palestinian!

How is this silly talking point still relevant or helpful when the world, including Israel, acknowledges the Palestinian people @Bigun ?

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Fox News
Nov 12, 2023

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday vowed that Israeli forces must "destroy Hamas" in order to secure the future of Palestinians as well as the Jewish state.

"If you want peace, destroy Hamas. If you want security, destroy Hamas. If you want a future for Israel, the Palestinians, the Middle East, destroy Hamas," Netanyahu told "Meet the Press" host Kristen Welker during an appearance on the NBC Sunday program.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/netanyahu-says-israel-must-destroy-hamas-secure-palestinian-future
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2024, 06:04:12 pm
'Ethnic Cleansing'

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1405730226961823 (https://www.facebook.com/reel/1405730226961823)

Maybe you should go back to the UKRAINE map for your avatar?  /s

@DCPatriot

So you agree with RiV that Israel is guilty of Ethnic Cleansing?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2024, 06:09:02 pm
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Yet one poster here would have us believe that it is the Jews who are guilty of 'Ethnic Cleansing'.  The Arabs have been pushing the same lie since 1948 that the Jews are kicking them off their land.  Over 75 years pushing the same friggin' lie.  And now we see our very own TBR boards desecrated with that lie?  Enough already.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on January 04, 2024, 06:40:40 pm
How is this silly talking point still relevant or helpful when the world, including Israel, acknowledges the Palestinian people @Bigun ?

What you call a "silly talking point" I call a fact @Right_in_Virginia and facts are always relevant.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2024, 06:42:27 pm
@DCPatriot

So you agree with RiV that Israel is guilty of Ethnic Cleansing?

@Hoodat, @DCPatriot

Ethnic cleansing is not new.  The modern world has witnessed it in Eastern Europe, including Serbia, for decades.  In Nazi Germany the proposal before the final solution was the Madagascar Plan.

To be clear,  I have not claimed Israel is guilty of ethnic cleansing.  I am warning Israel to stop and think ---- to fight the emotions of this moment and not follow in the wrong footsteps. 

If Israel moves forward with the plans below, the charge of ethnic cleansing will gain global credibility at precisely the time they need the support of the global community.

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Jan 3,  2024

The “voluntary” resettlement of Palestinians from Gaza is slowly becoming a key official policy of the government, with a senior official saying that Israel has held talks with several countries for their potential absorption.

Zman Israel, The Times of Israel’s Hebrew sister site, has learned that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition is conducting secret contacts for accepting thousands of immigrants from Gaza with Congo, in addition to other nations.

“Congo will be willing to take in migrants, and we’re in talks with others,” a senior source in the security cabinet said.

Last Monday, Netanyahu told a Likud faction meeting that he is working to facilitate the voluntary migration of Gazans to other countries.

“Our problem is [finding] countries that are willing to absorb Gazans, and we are working on it,” he said.

The prime minister was responding to Likud MK Danny Danon, who claimed that “the world is already discussing the possibilities of voluntary immigration,” though the idea has been roundly rejected by the international community.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-in-talks-with-congo-and-other-countries-on-gaza-voluntary-migration-plan/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2024, 06:48:11 pm
What you call a "silly talking point" I call a fact @Right_in_Virginia

Hopefully, we can agree to disagree on this. happy77  @Bigun

Wishing you and yours a healthy, happy 2024. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on January 04, 2024, 07:12:10 pm
Hopefully, we can agree to disagree on this. happy77  @Bigun

Wishing you and yours a healthy, happy 2024.

Of course! @Right_in_Virginia  But:

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

--John Adams




Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 04, 2024, 07:14:35 pm
Can't we just agree that everyone in the Middle East want to kill each other?

The "Palestinians" in Gaza already have been involuntarly re-located from their families' original homes elsewhere in territory now controlled by Israel.

The Israeli conservative discussion about "voluntary relocation" sounds like duplicitous branding for Ethnic Cleansing.

(Radical) Zionsism and "a two state solution" are incompatible.

(Radical) Zionism would require the removal of Arabs, and maybe other non-Jews, from all of Palestine; or, the implementation of an Apartheid System that makes non-Jews 2nd class ciitizens, or non-citizens, of Israel.

(Radical) Zionism is an exclusionary ethno-religious doctrine that reserves Palestine exlusively for a Jewish state/homeland.

Arabs cannot be equal within an Israeli state because, demographically, the Arab population of Israel would grow to exceed the Jewish population.  (Radical) Zionism does not allow room for an Arab/Mulsim majority Israeli state in Palestine.

So, (radical) Zionism and a 2-state Palestinian solution are incompatible.  Radical Zionists want to clear Gaza and the West Bank of Arab/Muslim residents/occupants/settlers.  Radical Zionist settlers are using an asymteric strategy to gradually ethnicly cleanse the West Bank by re-occupying territory.

All sides will continue to kill each other to fulfill prophecies / promises / vandettas of the past.  It's been that way since the Old Testament.

A workable solution will only emerge when all sides are sick and tired of the killing and the mourning.

The only corollary I can think of is Northern Ireland.  Ireland had to remove re-uniifcation of Ulster with the Republic from its Constitution; and the British and Protestants provide (more) equal civil rights to Catholics.

Good luck with all of this, especially now that ISIS is launching terrorist attacks against Iran.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2024, 07:24:23 pm
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12:04 AM · Jan 4, 2024

Source:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/01/03/a-joint-statement-from-the-governments-of-the-united-states-australia-bahrain-belgium-canada-denmark-germany-italy-japan-netherlands-new-zealand-and-the-united-kingdom/?utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: jafo2010 on January 04, 2024, 09:43:00 pm
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Right_in_Virginia,
To be clear,  I have not claimed Israel is guilty of ethnic cleansing.  I am warning Israel to stop and think ---- to fight the emotions of this moment and not follow in the wrong footsteps.
Was it ethnic cleansing when the USA during WWII fire bombed a dozen cities in Japan, killing 100,000 in one day in Tokyo?  Hell no!  It was f***ing war.

SAME FOR THE CONFLICT WITH ISRAEL AND HAMAS!  IT IS WAR, AND ISRAEL HAS EVERY RIGHT TO COMPLETELY DESTROY AND LEVEL GAZA.  PERIOD!

Ethnic cleansing is such liberal nonsense.

When the mussies make it their mission in life to killevery Jew, destroy Israel, etc, Israel has every right to do s the USA did in WWII.

I say levelling Gaza in its entirety, and declaring that it remain in ruins permanently is well within their right. The evil of the mussies living in Gaza is not a mystery.

And the notion of Israel displacing mussies from their land is another nonsense notion.  Jews have been in those lands for thousands of years, LONG BEFORE MUSSIES EVER EXISTED!!!   UGGH!!!

To destroy an enemy that repeatedly kills your citizens and makes war on your nation with each passing day is Israel's right!  I say Israel has a clear right to kill every last one of them.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 04, 2024, 09:54:06 pm
Can't we just agree that everyone in the Middle East want to kill each other?

The "Palestinians" in Gaza already have been involuntarly re-located from their families' original homes elsewhere in territory now controlled by Israel.

The Israeli conservative discussion about "voluntary relocation" sounds like duplicitous branding for Ethnic Cleansing.

(Radical) Zionsism and "a two state solution" are incompatible.

(Radical) Zionism would require the removal of Arabs, and maybe other non-Jews, from all of Palestine; or, the implementation of an Apartheid System that makes non-Jews 2nd class ciitizens, or non-citizens, of Israel.

(Radical) Zionism is an exclusionary ethno-religious doctrine that reserves Palestine exlusively for a Jewish state/homeland.

Arabs cannot be equal within an Israeli state because, demographically, the Arab population of Israel would grow to exceed the Jewish population.  (Radical) Zionism does not allow room for an Arab/Mulsim majority Israeli state in Palestine.

So, (radical) Zionism and a 2-state Palestinian solution are incompatible.  Radical Zionists want to clear Gaza and the West Bank of Arab/Muslim residents/occupants/settlers.  Radical Zionist settlers are using an asymteric strategy to gradually ethnicly cleanse the West Bank by re-occupying territory.

All sides will continue to kill each other to fulfill prophecies / promises / vandettas of the past.  It's been that way since the Old Testament.

A workable solution will only emerge when all sides are sick and tired of the killing and the mourning.

The only corollary I can think of is Northern Ireland.  Ireland had to remove re-uniifcation of Ulster with the Republic from its Constitution; and the British and Protestants provide (more) equal civil rights to Catholics.

Good luck with all of this, especially now that ISIS is launching terrorist attacks against Iran.

I guess the Israelis should just give up on their ancestral home and find a nice place in Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 04, 2024, 11:01:28 pm
Was it ethnic cleansing when the USA during WWII fire bombed a dozen cities in Japan, killing 100,000 in one day in Tokyo?  Hell no!  It was f***ing war.

@jafo2010

It was two bombings in a long, hot war --- a war we finally ended with those bombs.

If history is correct, we did not return when the smoke cleared and sweep the remaining Japanese from their homes and lives for the real estate.  In fact, we allowed the Emperor to remain a unity figurehead for the Japanese people --- helping to pave the way for the alliance with Japan we have to this day.

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And the notion of Israel displacing mussies from their land is another nonsense notion.  Jews have been in those lands for thousands of years, LONG BEFORE MUSSIES EVER EXISTED!!!   UGGH!!!

You're aware there is quite a bit of scholarly debate on this --- especially the linear aspects of your claim, are you not? 

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I say Israel has a clear right to kill every last one of them.

Just to be clear, and I ask because you post variations of this  pointing-up  opinion frequently ----- are you saying "Never again!" unless the attempted extermination is from Israel?




Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 04, 2024, 11:02:38 pm
Was it ethnic cleansing when the USA during WWII fire bombed a dozen cities in Japan, killing 100,000 in one day in Tokyo?  Hell no!  It was f***ing war.

SAME FOR THE CONFLICT WITH ISRAEL AND HAMAS!  IT IS WAR, AND ISRAEL HAS EVERY RIGHT TO COMPLETELY DESTROY AND LEVEL GAZA.  PERIOD!

Ethnic cleansing is such liberal nonsense.

When the mussies make it their mission in life to killevery Jew, destroy Israel, etc, Israel has every right to do s the USA did in WWII.

I say levelling Gaza in its entirety, and declaring that it remain in ruins permanently is well within their right. The evil of the mussies living in Gaza is not a mystery.

And the notion of Israel displacing mussies from their land is another nonsense notion.  Jews have been in those lands for thousands of years, LONG BEFORE MUSSIES EVER EXISTED!!!   UGGH!!!

To destroy an enemy that repeatedly kills your citizens and makes war on your nation with each passing day is Israel's right!  I say Israel has a clear right to kill every last one of them.

Amen, @jafo2010  AMEN!   :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 04, 2024, 11:14:36 pm
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Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 04, 2024, 11:16:56 pm
What you call a "silly talking point" I call a fact @Right_in_Virginia and facts are always relevant.
Didn't you get the memo? Facts are a threat to 'our democracy'.

Words are misused in the press and elsewhere all the time. That does not make them correct, just common errors.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 04, 2024, 11:28:06 pm
Was it ethnic cleansing when the USA during WWII fire bombed a dozen cities in Japan, killing 100,000 in one day in Tokyo?  Hell no!  It was f***ing war.

SAME FOR THE CONFLICT WITH ISRAEL AND HAMAS!  IT IS WAR, AND ISRAEL HAS EVERY RIGHT TO COMPLETELY DESTROY AND LEVEL GAZA.  PERIOD!

Ethnic cleansing is such liberal nonsense.

When the mussies make it their mission in life to killevery Jew, destroy Israel, etc, Israel has every right to do s the USA did in WWII.

I say levelling Gaza in its entirety, and declaring that it remain in ruins permanently is well within their right. The evil of the mussies living in Gaza is not a mystery.

And the notion of Israel displacing mussies from their land is another nonsense notion.  Jews have been in those lands for thousands of years, LONG BEFORE MUSSIES EVER EXISTED!!!   UGGH!!!

To destroy an enemy that repeatedly kills your citizens and makes war on your nation with each passing day is Israel's right!  I say Israel has a clear right to kill every last one of them.
Deuteronomy 20:16-18 (KJV)
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16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:

18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God.

Seems to me the Israelis have been pretty patient with their neighbors, and the terrorists they harbor.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: jafo2010 on January 04, 2024, 11:31:36 pm
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Right_in_Virginia,
Just to be clear, and I ask because you post this  pointing-up  opinion frequently ----- are you saying "Never again!" unless the the attempted extermination is from Israel?
The complete destruction of an enemy has become taboo with the idiocy that is pervasive, which you obviously embrace.

I believe that the people in Gaza should be thoroughly attacked and vanquished, until such time they surrender and give up all weapons for war against Israel.  That is not extermination.  But when the crybabies here and in the world whine about 20,000 dead Gazans when there are millions, then what Israel is donning falls into the category of weak sister idiocy, something the USA is good at dispensing and forcing others to do.

What we are forcing Israel to do is very self destructive, and will leave the enemy stronger for the NEXT TIME they decide to kill large numbers of Jews.

So tell me RIV, how many Jews would need to be murdered for you to justify the complete vanquishing of an evil culture?  Give me a number?

This tea and crumpets approach to dealing with an enemy is one more form of total idiocy. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 04, 2024, 11:53:32 pm
@jafo2010

It was two bombings in a long, hot war --- a war we finally ended with those bombs.

If history is correct, we did not return when the smoke cleared and sweep the remaining Japanese from their homes and lives for the real estate.  In fact, we allowed the Emperor to remain a unity figurehead for the Japanese people --- helping to pave the way for the alliance with Japan we have to this day.

You're aware there is quite a bit of scholarly debate on this --- especially the linear aspects of your claim, are you not? 

Just to be clear, and I ask because you post variations of this  pointing-up  opinion frequently ----- are you saying "Never again!" unless the the attempted extermination is from Israel?
If history is correct, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were on the A-bomb list because they were among a very few cities in Japan that hadn't been fire-bombed into ashes. Parts of Germany did not fare much better. Tokyo was so burned out from incendiaries that not only would it have been a waste to nuke it, there would have been no one left to surrender. The objective was to hamper weapons and materiel production and demoralize the population. The Nazis started it with raids on London and Coventry, the Japanese with their rapacious conquest of China and Manchuria, and acts committed by both were far beyond what Israel is doing in Gaza.

We have yet to confront the problem that will overrun Europe, and for all we know, may be here in sufficient numbers already to be a problem here. It is there, just getting worse where it was  compassionately allowed to relocate. It is a 1400 year old scourge on Western Civilization, and the day is coming when it will be fight or submit. ISIS claiming responsibility for acts against Iran adds a new twist.

Can the civilians who harbored Hamas be any more innocent than the Nazis who looked the other way when millions were rounded up and sent to the death camps?  Or participated in Kristallnacht? In Total War, the people who support the regime are subject to the same as the people running it.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 05, 2024, 12:58:43 am
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Israeli forces in Khan Younis are mapping tunnel network in city using intel obtained from captured Hamas operatives; troops moving closer to hideouts of senior Hamas members, says IDF officer. via @ynetalert
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Defense Minister Gallant:
IDF operations in southern Gaza are intensifying, above & below ground; terrorists should count down the days to their death, it's coming soon. via @N12News
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 05, 2024, 01:34:23 am
@Hoodat, @DCPatriot

Ethnic cleansing is not new.

Neither is loading Jews onto cattle cars and shipping them to extermination camps in eastern Poland.  But from a logic standpoint, declaring something as "not new" does not constitute proof that ethnic cleansing occurred.  The only difference here is that there is proof the Nazis shipped Jews to extermination camps in eastern Poland while there is zero proof that the Jews have committed (or even advocated) ethnic cleansing.  It is simply a slur you offered without proof - a lie that you remain committed to.


The modern world has witnessed it in Eastern Europe, including Serbia, for decades.  In Nazi Germany the proposal before the final solution was the Madagascar Plan.

And in Israel?  Nothing.  Zip.  Nada.  In the entire Middle East/Eastern Med region, there is only one country that will grant a path to citizenship for Palestinian immigrants.  Only one. Israel, the nation you slander with the charge of "ethnic cleansing".


To be clear,  I have not claimed Israel is guilty of ethnic cleansing.

This is your post, no?

Ethnic cleansing is *always* presented as "voluntary".  Withholding movement, safety, housing, water, medical supplies, electricity, food and employment are the provable and reliable ways of rendering "voluntary" a political sham.


I am warning Israel to stop and think ---- to fight the emotions of this moment and not follow in the wrong footsteps.

Warning?  No.  You are condemning Israel with false accusations.  This thread is filled with your attacks against Bibi for going too far, not doing enough, standing idly by, being excessively proactive, giving money to the PA, not giving money to the PA - whatever spin you can pilfer from the Israel haters with zero accountability for truth.


If Israel moves forward with the plans below, the charge of ethnic cleansing will gain global credibility at precisely the time they need the support of the global community.

It won't be the first time the world embraced a lie.  And it certainly isn't the first time you posted a lie here.  As for "credibility", that simply isn't a word you have any knowledge of.  So next time you want to slander a people with lies about ethnic cleansing, you may want to find some facts to back it up first.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 05, 2024, 08:39:24 am
The complete destruction of an enemy has become taboo with the idiocy that is pervasive, which you obviously embrace.

I embrace the destruction of Hamas, top down and their war infrastructure, especially the tunnels.  In fact @jafo2010 I have been upset since 2014 when the tunnels were left after that war ---- and recently I've been near apoplectic that the expansion of the tunnels in scope and sophistication was permitted by Israel during the 10 years of "quiet" that followed.

I don't share your opinion that civilians, too, should be killed or otherwise removed.

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What we are forcing Israel to do is very self destructive, and will leave the enemy stronger for the NEXT TIME they decide to kill large numbers of Jews.

What are we forcing Israel to do that causes you to say this?

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So tell me RIV, how many Jews would need to be murdered for you to justify the complete vanquishing of an evil culture?  Give me a number?

Wow, this is a loaded question, even for a discussion about the State of Israel. :laugh:   If you'd define "vanquish" and "culture", I'll give you my sincere answer.  I could take a shot at guessing what you mean, but the risk of derailing this conversation by guessing wrong is too high.

Thanks.




Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 05, 2024, 01:23:58 pm
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Significant Rocket Attack on the Cities of Ashkelon and Sderot in Southern Israel within the last few minutes.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDFI_u2XsAE22n9?format=jpg&name=small)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDFI_u-XcAAPQ2p?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 05, 2024, 01:26:30 pm
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1. IDF estimate (via @Nadav_Eyal): Hezbollah can no longer launch assault on Israel without early warning, as army pounds extensive terror infrastructure on Lebanon border; Hezbollah's plans are likely outdated given new Israeli military posture on tense frontier

2. IDF deployment on Lebanon border is deadly & flexible, defensive posture can shift to attack mode at any given moment, says @BenCaspit; Israel mobilized 146th reserve division to region, a highly trained & well equipped military force.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 05, 2024, 01:30:27 pm
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Israel's defense budget will rise from 3.5% of GDP to over 6% in 2024 (about $30B), says defense analyst @alonbd via @MaarivOnline; mandatory military service to be extended, Israeli air defenses will remain on constant alert as long as fighting continues.

American support: IDF got 17,000 tons of US munitions so far, will purchase 20 attack helicopters; Israel to start local production of Air Force munitions & explosives, expand assembly lines of tanks & armored vehicles to reduce dependence on America. via @MaarivOnline
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on January 05, 2024, 01:37:47 pm
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 Israel to start local production of Air Force munitions & explosives, expand assembly lines of tanks & armored vehicles to reduce dependence on America. via @MaarivOnline

Wise move.  Never trust America to have your back when the chips are down and the going gets tough.

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 05, 2024, 02:14:41 pm
Israel’s Defense Minister Releases Plan for Next Stage of War, ‘Day After’ Hamas Defeated

Israeli defense minister Yoav Gallant released a plan on Thursday that outlines his vision for the next phase of the war against Hamas in Gaza, and for the structure of government in Gaza once Hamas has been destroyed.

t is not clear whether Gallant’s plan is an official government plan, but it was distributed by Israel’s Government Press Office. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has deferred meeting with his Cabinet to draft a formal plan for postwar Gaza, though he has said that the corrupt Palestinian Authority, which currently governs most Palestinians who live in the West Bank and encourages terrorism, should not be allowed to return to Gaza.

Gallant’s plan could therefore be a trial balloon — one distributed by the Netanyahu government but not formally adopted by it.

It begins with a description of the next stage (“Phase III”) of the war: “Fighting will continue until the goals of the war are achieved: (1) the return of the hostages, (2) the dismantling of Hamas’ military and governing capabilities and (3) the removal of military threats from the Gaza strip.”

In the northern Gaza Strip, where Hamas has largely been eliminated, Gallant suggests that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will scale down operations, but will continue with “raids, the destruction of terror tunnels, aerial and ground activities, and special operations.”

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/04/israels-defense-minister-releases-plan-for-next-stage-of-war-day-after-hamas-defeated/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 05, 2024, 07:05:20 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
 
Defense Minister Gallant met senior officers at IDF Northern Command HQ to review operational plans, @MaarivOnline  reports. Massive Israeli air power is facing Lebanon/Syria, ready for major action vs. Hezbollah if conflict escalates.

Israel enters tense weekend: Hezbollah & Iran promise revenge, IDF deployed in force across northern border; major attack will be met with strong Israeli response & possibly trigger large conflict. Will Nasrallah take a big risk? We'll find out soon.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 05, 2024, 07:17:53 pm
What are Hezbollah's calculations, 90 days into war on Israel? - analysis

Jerusalem Post By SETH J. FRANTZMAN 1/4/2024

Hezbollah has dictated the tempo. It has been used to doing what it wants, creating provocations and escalation, and pushing again and again to see what is effective.

For the past 90 days of the war, Hezbollah got used to playing fiddle. After Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, Hezbollah began to carry out attacks on Israel, and while there were initial concerns in the region and Washington that this could escalate, Hezbollah appeared to prefer daily small attacks to a larger war; a US aircraft carrier parked in the Mediterranean may have made it think twice.

This aircraft carrier is now heading away, allowing Hezbollah to feel more empowered in its decisions; it has to fish or cut bait. The problem with Hezbollah is that it has become too big in recent years. Not only does it occupy a swath of Lebanon and hold Lebanese politics hostage, but it is so powerful that Iran fears “losing” it in a war, like an advanced piece on a chess board, where you keep sending more pieces to protect it, lest that piece end up being lost in some complex sacrifice. Iran doesn’t want to sacrifice Hezbollah, yet it also wants Hezbollah to be a threat to Israel.

So far, Hezbollah has succeeded in driving some 80,000 Israelis from their homes on the northern border; this is unprecedented – never in history did Israel evacuate the whole border. Hezbollah can pretend it has won, but it has also lost around 140 or more of its fighters. Hezbollah terrorists are not a rabble. It’s not like the poor Iranian recruits from Afghanistan – the Fetimiyoun – whom Iran sent as cannon fodder to Syria. Hezbollah, rather, is used to being the senior partner among all of Iran’s proxies.

More: https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-780870 (https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-780870)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 05, 2024, 08:03:24 pm
Did you mean to say Russia's, Iran's, and China's calculations?

Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthies, etc, are puppets; Russia, Iran, and China are the puppet masters pulling the strings.

We are in the midst of Cold War v2.0, and the West is losing and on the defensive.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 05, 2024, 10:16:01 pm
Did you mean to say Russia's, Iran's, and China's calculations?

Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthies, etc, are puppets; Russia, Iran, and China are the puppet masters pulling the strings.

We are in the midst of Cold War v2.0, and the West is losing and on the defensive.

Did you mean " SETH J. FRANTZMAN" ?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 06, 2024, 02:09:55 am
If history is correct, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were on the A-bomb list because they were among a very few cities in Japan that hadn't been fire-bombed into ashes. Parts of Germany did not fare much better. Tokyo was so burned out from incendiaries that not only would it have been a waste to nuke it, there would have been no one left to surrender. The objective was to hamper weapons and materiel production and demoralize the population. The Nazis started it with raids on London and Coventry, the Japanese with their rapacious conquest of China and Manchuria, and acts committed by both were far beyond what Israel is doing in Gaza.

But, this is not WWII @Smokin Joe   This is a 56 year old regional conflict over a sliver of territory the size of  Newark ---- in a part of the world renowned for centuries-old layers of blood grudges on all sides.  Please fight the urge to conflate this with WWII.    Please also fight the urge to trigger WWIII over it.

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Can the civilians who harbored Hamas be any more innocent than the Nazis who looked the other way when millions were rounded up and sent to the death camps? 

Your question is as incendiary as you asking if Israeli civilians bear responsibility for the condition of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank and its contribution to war after war after war.  And, as unhelpful.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 06, 2024, 03:21:40 am
But, this is not WWII @Smokin Joe   This is a 56 year old regional conflict over a sliver of territory the size of  Newark ---- in a part of the world renowned for centuries-old layers of blood grudges on all sides.  Please fight the urge to conflate this with WWII.    Please also fight the urge to trigger WWIII over it.

Your question is as incendiary as you asking if Israeli civilians bear responsibility for the condition of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank and its contribution to war after war after war.  And, as unhelpful.
Well, that was unconvincing.

IF we cannot learn from the parallels in this millennia old conflict with other conflicts, then we cannot apply history to learn a damned thing.

But then, the one lesson History gives us is that people consistently DO NOT learn from History.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 06, 2024, 03:59:23 am

Have a nice day.

Will do.  happy77
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on January 06, 2024, 04:48:20 am
Well, that was unconvincing.

IF we cannot learn from the parallels in this millennia old conflict with other conflicts, then we cannot apply history to learn a damned thing.

But then, the one lesson History gives us is that people consistently DO NOT learn from History.

Have a nice day.

 :yowsa:

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That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history.

Aldous Huxley
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 06, 2024, 05:06:52 am
:yowsa:

Aldous Huxley

Is there ever a point where we try to fit current conflicts into history like a square peg into a round hole?

@Bigun
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 06, 2024, 11:51:06 am
Is there ever a point where we try to fit current conflicts into history like a square peg into a round hole?

@Bigun
You mean like comparing 1/6 to 9/11?

It all depends on whether you are looking at History, or some Fable people have been selling.

Those who bought into the Fable aren't learning from History, because the Fable is not what happened.  Fairy Tales do not teach the lessons of History, but that doesn't stop the peg pounding.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on January 06, 2024, 04:00:45 pm
You mean like comparing 1/6 to 9/11?

It all depends on whether you are looking at History, or some Fable people have been selling.

Those who bought into the Fable aren't learning from History, because the Fable is not what happened.  Fairy Tales do not teach the lessons of History, but that doesn't stop the peg pounding.

:yowsa: Fables (propaganda) are very often substituted for actual history and that benefits nobody over the long haul. In fact, that practice has been extremely harmful to the human family over time.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 06, 2024, 07:14:03 pm
You mean like comparing 1/6 to 9/11?

It all depends on whether you are looking at History, or some Fable people have been selling.

In part, yes @Smokin Joe   For instance, I'm struggling to see how WWII fits into a 56 year old conflict over real estate the size of Newark when contnuous conflict fits the political agenda of both sides.

Is there a history/fable line in this?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 06, 2024, 07:16:13 pm
Instant News Alerts
@InstaNewsAlerts
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6m
#BREAKING: IDF spokesman says Israeli forces have 'completed dismantling of Hamas military framework ' in the northern Gaza Strip
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 06, 2024, 07:18:38 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
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41m
Horror in Gaza: Hamas built giant cages for Israeli hostages, @kann_news
 reports (via @RotterNet
); IDF soldiers discovered the cages during operations across Gaza.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 06, 2024, 07:36:15 pm
You mean like comparing 1/6 to 9/11?

It all depends on whether you are looking at History, or some Fable people have been selling.

Exactly.  Take the same Democrat talking points from 9/11 blaming Bush for the attack.  Then replace the word 'Bush' with the word 'Netanyahu' and post the exact same Democrat argument here.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 06, 2024, 11:54:16 pm
Hamas command in north Gaza destroyed, Israel says

The Israeli army says it has "completed the dismantling" of Hamas's command structure in the northern Gaza Strip.

Army spokesman Daniel Hagari told reporters that Palestinian militants are now operating in the area only sporadically and "without commanders".

He said Israel had killed around 8,000 militants in north Gaza. The BBC cannot independently verify this number.

The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) are now focused on dismantling Hamas in south and central Gaza, he said.

Israel has killed more than 22,000 people since the war began, according to the Hamas-run health ministry. On Saturday it said it had recorded more than 120 deaths over the past 24 hours.

The territory has been devastated and most of the population of 2.3 million has been displaced.

Israel's offensive started after Hamas gunmen launched a surprise attack on southern Israel on 7 October, killing 1,200 people, most of them civilians, and taking about 240 people hostage.

More than 120 remain, following agreed releases.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reiterated on Saturday that Israel would continue its campaign to "eliminate Hamas, return our hostages and ensure that Gaza will no longer be a threat to Israel"..............

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67904259
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 07, 2024, 12:23:31 am
Hamas command in north Gaza destroyed, Israel says

The Israeli army says it has "completed the dismantling" of Hamas's command structure in the northern Gaza Strip.

Army spokesman Daniel Hagari told reporters that Palestinian militants are now operating in the area only sporadically and "without commanders".

He said Israel had killed around 8,000 militants in north Gaza. The BBC cannot independently verify this number.

The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) are now focused on dismantling Hamas in south and central Gaza, he said.

Israel has killed more than 22,000 people since the war began, according to the Hamas-run health ministry. On Saturday it said it had recorded more than 120 deaths over the past 24 hours.

The territory has been devastated and most of the population of 2.3 million has been displaced.

Israel's offensive started after Hamas gunmen launched a surprise attack on southern Israel on 7 October, killing 1,200 people, most of them civilians, and taking about 240 people hostage.

More than 120 remain, following agreed releases.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reiterated on Saturday that Israel would continue its campaign to "eliminate Hamas, return our hostages and ensure that Gaza will no longer be a threat to Israel"..............

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67904259

We'll see about that....
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 07, 2024, 01:11:22 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
 
Senior Israeli officers via @WallaNews: Time to change military focus from Gaza to Lebanon, shift IDF operations from defense to offense; diplomacy will not work, Hezbollah must pay painful price & feel the pressure

Israel should prepare forces for action on Lebanon front, the senior officers say, advance operational plans for war vs. Hezbollah; important meetings were held this week, some strike plans already approved.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 07, 2024, 01:21:24 pm
Gaza War Lessons: Israel’s New Border Defense Strategy

 ISRAEL RADAR

Israel is set to transform its border security doctrine following the collapse of defenses on October 7. The government instructed the IDF to embark on a sweeping plan to revamp protective measures, Ynet reports.

The new strategy involves significant changes on the Gaza and Lebanon borders, aiming to fortify the nation’s defenses against potential threats.

Thousands of soldiers will be deployed to secure each frontier, well above previous numbers. This will require the IDF to mobilize dozens of reserve battalions to reinforce security missions in both regions, the report says.

The IDF is also boosting its presence on the Jordanian border to counter possible Iran axis attacks.

Securing the Gaza border

The most ambitious project is unfolding along the Gaza border, where the IDF is reshaping the entire frontier. Aiming to establish a whole new defense line, the army is undertaking extensive engineering work to construct a buffer zone inside Gaza.

Across the Gaza Strip, Israeli forces are engaged in substantial demolition of areas used as terror bases for launching attacks. This entails significant destruction in districts such as Shujaiya, a former Hamas stronghold in northern Gaza.

The IDF is particularly focused on Gaza towns used as launchpads for raids on nearby Israeli communities on October 7. Forces deployed at these border regions are engaged in intensive efforts to eradicate terror sites and destroy civilian locations that could be exploited for future attacks.

More: https://israelradar.com/gaza-war-lessons-israels-new-border-defense-strategy/ (https://israelradar.com/gaza-war-lessons-israels-new-border-defense-strategy/)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 07, 2024, 01:24:30 pm
Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian
@manniefabian

Troops operating in Gaza City have discovered what the Israeli military says are technological equipment and components used by Hamas to build accurate missiles, a capability which until now the terror group was not believed to possess.

https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1743965395550179405 (https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1743965395550179405)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 07, 2024, 01:29:52 pm
Israel Defense Forces
@IDF

“We have a duty to defend our people, if not through diplomatic means, then through the force of arms. The diplomatic window may be short, but it’s still open.”

A special message from IDF Spokesperson RAdm. Daniel Hagari:

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1743899733888840021 (https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1743899733888840021)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 07, 2024, 01:37:18 pm
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN
 
'The inevitably of war is once again Hezbollahs goal to destroy Israel and our unwillingness to be destroyed'

Major (Res.) Elliot Chodoff discusses the escalation on Israel's northern front after #Hezbollah fires 40 rockets in response to the killing of Al-Arouri

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1743912951499620778 (https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1743912951499620778)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 08, 2024, 02:30:56 pm
Photo proves Hamas using North Korea-made weapons against Israel, South Korea says
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1744365652868047022
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2024, 06:35:42 pm
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1744422381278376189
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 09, 2024, 02:09:03 am
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN
 
i24NEWS’ Batya Levinthal breaks down the reports that Israeli PM Netanyahu is in talks for normalization with Saudi Arabia

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1744524542473588878 (https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1744524542473588878)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 09, 2024, 02:49:57 am
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender

U.S. Defense Officials and Members of the Biden Administration have reportedly begun to understand in recent weeks that Negotiations have almost Totally Failed and that a Major Regional War in the Middle East may soon be Imminent, with several “Battle Plans” and Contingencies being Drawn-Up if this does occur; Secretary of State, Antony Blinken’s Visit to the Region this week is seen as a possible Final Attempt towards Peace.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2024, 05:47:17 am
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender

U.S. Defense Officials and Members of the Biden Administration have reportedly begun to understand in recent weeks that Negotiations have almost Totally Failed and that a Major Regional War in the Middle East may soon be Imminent, with several “Battle Plans” and Contingencies being Drawn-Up if this does occur; Secretary of State, Antony Blinken’s Visit to the Region this week is seen as a possible Final Attempt towards Peace.

I don't understand why Israel apparently wants to expand this war to include Lebanon.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2024, 05:59:24 am
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IDF brass said to warn political leaders that West Bank on brink of violent eruption
Times of Israel, Jan 9, 2024

Security chiefs have warned Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu several times in recent days that the West Bank is on the brink of a major eruption in violence, Israeli television reported Monday.

According to Channel 12 news, the warnings were relayed by IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi and other senior military commanders, who said Israel risked a new front in the West Bank amid the war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip and ongoing clashes on the northern border with the Lebanese terror group Hezbollah.

Besides Netanyahu, the report said the other members of the war cabinet — Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Minister Benny Gantz — were also warned of the prospect of major unrest in the West Bank.

The heightened concern comes on the heels of Israel’s withholding of hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenues that belong to the PA in addition to refusing to allow some 150,000 Palestinian workers return to their jobs in Israel and the settlements, the report said, noting Netanyahu’s refusal to hold security cabinet votes to reverse both decisions, given pressure from his far-right coalition partners.

The network added that the military’s assessment was shared by the Shin Bet security service.

"Ask Zelensky for money,” bin Zayed reportedly told Netanyahu, sarcastically suggesting that the Ukrainian president could foot the bill with all of the international support Kyiv has been getting since Russia’s invasion

"The notion that Arab countries will come in to rebuild and pay the bill for what’s currently happening is wishful thinking,” an Emirati official told Axios.

MBZ couldn’t believe Netanyahu thought the UAE would be willing to pay for a problem that was created due to Israel’s decision not to allow the workers in, a source familiar with the matter told the news site.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-brass-said-to-warn-political-leaders-that-west-bank-on-brink-of-violent-eruption/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 09, 2024, 01:47:10 pm
I don't understand why Israel apparently wants to expand this war to include Lebanon.
Hizb'allah has been attacking from there.
Either the Lebanese control their rabid elements on their soil, or the Israelis will. That simple.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2024, 03:05:43 pm
REVEALED: Reuters and AP 'Journalists' Live-Streamed Themselves Encouraging Gazans to Invade Israel
By Bonchie | 8:45 AM on January 09, 2024

In an escalation of earlier reporting that showed multiple "journalists" working for the Associated Press and The New York Times participating in the October 7th attack on Israel, live-stream footage has now been uncovered that illustrates even more direct coordination with Hamas terrorists.
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As RedState originally reported, Hassan Eslaiah, who was freelancing for CNN, Reuters, and the AP, filmed himself riding into Israel on October 7th carrying a grenade. Another "journalist" was also implicated, though the Times defended his work despite evidence he had advance knowledge of the attack.

The claim from the Times was that these "journalists" had simply been caught up in quickly unfolding events and were merely trying to do their jobs. That claim has now been proven false. According to Honest Reporting, a UK media watchdog, two "journalists," both of whom did freelance work for the AP and Reuters at the time, live-streamed themselves showing off pictures of the atrocities, with one even bragging that he had helped take Israelis hostage.

Abu Mostafa then tells people to cross the border into Israel, proclaiming it a one-in-a-lifetime event that won't happen again. All of this occurred as Hamas' murderous rampage was still in full swing.

more
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/01/09/revealed-reuters-and-ap-journalists-live-streamed-themselves-encouraging-gazans-to-invade-israel-n2168471
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2024, 03:55:59 pm
Hizb'allah has been attacking from there.
Either the Lebanese control their rabid elements on their soil, or the Israelis will. That simple.

If Israel's leadership decides the best move is now war with Lebanon @Smokin Joe  I certainly won't try to talk them out of it. They know best --- for them.

I am, however, leaning toward America's leadership keeping our blood AND treasure away from it.    I'd prefer Israel finish Gaza before dragging us into their next war.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 09, 2024, 04:25:16 pm
Israel is not fighting Hamas, Hezzbollah, and Houthies; Israel is in a fight against Iran.

Iran expanded the war into Gaza.  Iran is expadning the war in Lebanon.  Iran is expanding the war into Yemen.  Iran is expanding the war to Iraq.

Israel is defending itself from Iran.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 09, 2024, 05:11:25 pm
Trying not to  :crying: too much: The commander of Hezbollah’s aerial forces in southern Lebanon, Ali Hussien Barji, was killed in an Israeli drone strike. He was killed on his way to the funeral of another senior Hezbollah commander, Wissam al-Tawil, who was killed in an Israeli airstrike yesterday.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1744757285942092086
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on January 09, 2024, 06:37:02 pm
Trying not to  :crying: too much: The commander of Hezbollah’s aerial forces in southern Lebanon, Ali Hussien Barji, was killed in an Israeli drone strike. He was killed on his way to the funeral of another senior Hezbollah commander, Wissam al-Tawil, who was killed in an Israeli airstrike yesterday.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1744757285942092086
The smirk was wiped off his face when he met his virgins. (https://i.imgur.com/ffVdxyu.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 09, 2024, 06:48:52 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
 
1. Israel must push Hezbollah far from Lebanon border due to advanced high-precision weapons supplied by Iran, says defense analyst Ron Ben-Yishai; entire area south of Beirut needs to be cleared of drones, cruise missiles & long-range anti-tank missiles, he says

2. Hezbollah willingness to accept demilitarization of south Lebanon depends on 2 factors, Ben-Yishai says via @ynetalerts
: Outcome of Gaza war plus Israeli determination to launch ground assault in case terrorists & military assets are not removed.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 09, 2024, 06:50:59 pm
Israel Defense Forces
@IDF
 
Hamas' fashion choices are just one more way they endanger Gazan civilians for their own benefit.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1744784199763042772 (https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1744784199763042772)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: berdie on January 09, 2024, 10:55:08 pm
Israel is not fighting Hamas, Hezzbollah, and Houthies; Israel is in a fight against Iran.

Iran expanded the war into Gaza.  Iran is expadning the war in Lebanon.  Iran is expanding the war into Yemen.  Iran is expanding the war to Iraq.

Israel is defending itself from Iran.



That's how I see it.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 10, 2024, 02:15:07 am
If Israel's leadership decides the best move is now war with Lebanon @Smokin Joe  I certainly won't try to talk them out of it.

Who said anything about "war with Lebanon"?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 10, 2024, 02:10:35 pm
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U.S. Central Command
@CENTCOM
Houthi Attack on International Shipping

On Jan. 9, at approximately 9:15 p.m. (Sanaa time), Iranian-backed Houthis launched a complex attack of Iranian designed one-way attack UAVs (OWA UAVs), anti-ship cruise missiles, and an anti-ship ballistic missile from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen into the Southern Red Sea, towards international shipping lanes where dozens of merchant vessels were transiting.

Eighteen OWA UAVs, two anti-ship cruise missiles, and one anti-ship ballistic missile were shot down by a combined effort of F/A-18s from USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69), USS Gravely (DDG 107), USS Laboon (DDG 58), USS Mason (DDG 87), and the United Kingdom’s HMS Diamond (D34). This is the 26th Houthi attack on commercial shipping lanes in the Red Sea since Nov. 19. There were no injuries or damage reported.

On Jan. 3, 14 countries, including the U.S, issued a joint statement stating, "The Houthis will bear the responsibility for the consequences should they continue to threaten lives, the global economy, or the free flow of commerce in the region's critical waterways."

8:46 PM · Jan 9, 2024
Was Sec. Austin aware? (Forget about the president, we know the answer to that).
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 10, 2024, 02:23:56 pm
USN and Royal Navy on Defence as Houthis Launch Largest Attack on Red Sea Shipping Yet

U.S. and UK warships and aircraft shot down drones, cruise missiles, and a ballistic missile overnight, “the largest attack” by Houthis yet.

Eighteen ‘suicide attack’ drones, two anti-ship cruise missiles, and one anti-ship ballistic missile were launched by Iran-backed Shiite Houthi fighters in Yemen towards the Red Sea overnight on the 9th of January, part of an ongoing effort to attack the economy of Western nations by destroying merchant ships and closing the crucial Red Sea route to trade.

The 21 drones and missiles shot down by the United States Navy (USN) and Royal Navy (RN) on Tuesday night is greater than the 19 Operation Prosperity Guardian has otherwise shot down in the entire operation to date, according to numbers stated by a USN Admiral last week.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/01/10/usn-and-royal-navy-on-defence-as-houthis-launch-largest-attack-on-red-sea-shipping-yet/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 10, 2024, 02:29:53 pm
Blinken Returns to Failed ‘Palestine First’ Model for Middle East

The failed pre-Trump approach has evidently continued to guide Biden administration policy, even in the aftermath of October 7.

President Joe Biden has evidently returned to that failed model for the region.

On Tuesday, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken pushed Israeli leaders to see a Palestinian state as part of the post-Hamas future in Gaza, despite the plummeting support among Israelis for a state composed of people who support terror against them.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/10/blinken-returns-to-failed-palestine-first-model-for-middle-east/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 10, 2024, 10:26:04 pm
 Blinken says Israel has ‘no choice’ but to cooperate with UN in Gaza
by Lauren Sforza - 01/10/24 4:02 PM ET

Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Israel must cooperate with the United Nations in Gaza to get aid to civilians as Israel enters its fourth month of war with militant group Hamas.

MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell pressed Blinken on why there is still a lack of humanitarian aid entering Gaza. Blinken said it’s necessary for Israel to work with the U.N. to get the much-needed aid into Gaza, where 90 percent of the population is eating less than one meal a day.

“It is imperative that Israel work with the United Nations. It’s imperative that this assistance get in, that more of it get in, and that once it gets in, it gets effectively to the people who need it. The United Nations are the only game in town,” Blinken told Mitchell in the interview.

He praised the U.N. for getting aid “to people who need it,” adding that the organization has done “extraordinary things.”

“And it requires cooperation because there’s no alternative. There’s no choice. No one else is gonna do it. And if the U.N. wasn’t doing it, well, it would be Israel’s responsibility to do it. So this is something, again, that we’ve talked about extensively,” Blinken continued.

He added some “real progress” has been made to get humanitarian assistance to Gaza, but Mitchell noted that there are “still bottlenecks” in getting aid to the territory.

more
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4401077-blinken-israel-no-choice-but-cooperation-un-gaza/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 10, 2024, 10:36:45 pm
So Blinken is tightening the thumbscrews again?  Israel is in no mood to cave to this chickenshit.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 10, 2024, 10:46:47 pm
An alternate and unpopular POV:

Quote
Many Americans still believe the purpose of the Israeli war in Gaza is to "destroy Hamas": because that's what US media repeated from Israel.

But in Hebrew, Israeli officials every day admit the real goal: to ethnically cleanse Gaza of Palestinians so Israel can take the land: (Video)


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1745137795738312733




Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 10, 2024, 10:49:10 pm
An alternative and unpopular POV:

Quote
Many Americans still believe the purpose of the Israeli war in Gaza is to "destroy Hamas": because that's what US media repeated from Israel.

But in Hebrew, Israeli officials every day admit the real goal: to ethnically cleanse Gaza of Palestinians so Israel can take the land: (Video)

Please stop posting lies on this forum.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 10, 2024, 10:50:53 pm


Please stop posting lies on this forum.

What part of "alternate" POV and video documentation confuses you?




Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on January 10, 2024, 10:52:30 pm


Please stop posting lies on this forum.

She is free to post her Jew hate here. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: berdie on January 10, 2024, 10:54:41 pm
An alternate and unpopular POV:


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1745137795738312733


It sounds like a worthy goal, in what ever language. Especially since that is the oppositions goal toward Israel.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 10, 2024, 11:02:48 pm

Please stop posting lies on this forum.


Get lost, you farking cork soaker.   :seeya:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 10, 2024, 11:07:59 pm


Please stop posting lies on this forum.

We need to hear it, lest we become an echo chamber.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 10, 2024, 11:10:28 pm
We need to hear it, lest we become an echo chamber.

@Cyber Liberty

Please ping the bass turd so we all know he sees it.   :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on January 10, 2024, 11:19:49 pm
We need to hear it, lest we become an echo chamber.

You mean like TOS? 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 10, 2024, 11:23:00 pm
Please ping the bass turd so we all know he sees it.   :beer:
What the heck does that mean?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 10, 2024, 11:41:34 pm


Please stop posting lies on this forum.

It is disheartening.  888mouth
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 10, 2024, 11:41:56 pm
What the heck does that mean?

Heck if I know.  :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 10, 2024, 11:52:20 pm
Get lost, you farking cork soaker.   :seeya:

Well at least we're not making you vomit @DCPatriot  happy77
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 11, 2024, 12:14:00 am
Well at least we're not making you vomit @DCPatriot  happy77

@libertybele

 That's true!  LOL!   :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Kamaji on January 11, 2024, 12:18:39 am


Please stop posting lies on this forum.

Wouldn’t that be nice.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 11, 2024, 12:20:03 am
@Cyber Liberty

Please ping the bass turd so we all know he sees it.   :beer:

Oh, he will!  I'll DM if he wants it!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 11, 2024, 12:20:45 am

An alternate and unpopular POV:

Quote
Many Americans still believe the purpose of the Israeli war in Gaza is to "destroy Hamas": because that's what US media repeated from Israel.

But in Hebrew, Israeli officials every day admit the real goal: to ethnically cleanse Gaza of Palestinians so Israel can take the land: (Video)

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1745137795738312733


(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ea7416738e6d7133423b4908cc7be4e5)


Quote
The Likud Party of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in its original party platform in 1977 that “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party

Quote
During a speech before the United Nations General Assembly on September 22, 2023, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu holds up a map that shows Israel stretching “from the river to the sea".

(https://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/GettyImages-1695454763.jpg)

@libertybele









Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 11, 2024, 12:20:56 am
Heck if I know.  :shrug:

I know....
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 11, 2024, 12:22:45 am
Wouldn’t that be nice.

Hey!!  Great to see you!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Kamaji on January 11, 2024, 12:23:53 am
Hey!!  Great to see you!

You as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 11, 2024, 12:28:56 am
She is free to post her Jew hate here.

Where's "the hate" @Wingnut
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 12:53:14 am
What part of "alternate" POV and video documentation confuses you?

This here contains three lies:

But in Hebrew, Israeli officials every day admit the real goal: to ethnically cleanse Gaza of Palestinians so Israel can take the land: (Video)

- Israel's goal is not to ethnically cleanse Gaza
- Israel does not want to take the land
- The video does not back the claim

Again, stop posting lies on this forum.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: LMAO on January 11, 2024, 12:58:08 am



Again, stop posting lies on this forum.

Old habits die hard
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on January 11, 2024, 01:21:29 am
Where's "the hate" @Wingnut

In all your veiled posts pretending you are not a Hamas supporter.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 11, 2024, 01:38:32 am

- Israel's goal is not to ethnically cleanse Gaza
- Israel does not want to take the land

Again, stop posting lies on this forum.

This 56 year old conflict has always been about taking the land without the Palestinians who would threaten the Jewish majority in Israel.  Hence, the decades long Israeli  control, occupation, settlements, wars and refusal of a two state peace treaty.  It's always been about securing Palestinian free land.

You can certainly agree with Israel's strategy and goals ---- many people smarter than you do, but,  ---- what you cannot do, Mr. Veracity,  is deny them.




Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on January 11, 2024, 02:25:58 am
Why does it all boil down to personal insults and always from the same few **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on January 11, 2024, 02:55:29 am
So Blinken is tightening the thumbscrews again?  Israel is in no mood to cave to this chickenshit.

Blinken is following Obama's orders. As always.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on January 11, 2024, 03:22:54 am
Blinken is following Obama's orders. As always.
So, then Soros and Schwab pulling Barry's strings who then pulls Brandon's?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on January 11, 2024, 03:32:39 am
An alternate and unpopular POV:


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1745137795738312733
If one has to choose between the savages that are the so-called "palestinians" and Israelis, I choose the latter...the palestinians made their bed, let them lie in their own dog $h!t.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 04:19:34 am
This 56 year old conflict has always been about taking the land without the Palestinians who would threaten the Jewish majority in Israel.

A lie.  It's a 75 year conflict, and it has always been about driving all the Jews out of Israel.  Israel isn't taking Palestinian land.  They have purchased land and have created settlements where no one lived.  These are cold hard facts.  Yet here you are posting 75-year-old anti-Zionist propaganda born out of Nazi rhetoric.  Oh, and about that Jewish majority, Israel is the ONLY country in the entire region that allows in Palestinians immigrants.  But then you knew all that already.  Yet here you are posting lies.  Again.


Hence, the decades long Israeli  control, occupation, settlements, wars and refusal of a two state peace treaty.

A lie.  Israel has bent over backwards for a two-state peace treaty.  It is the Palestinians who refuse.  Yet here you are posting propaganda with no basis in fact.


It's always been about securing Palestinian free land.

A lie.  Twice, Israel has been attacked from Palestine, only to give the land back to Palestine.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 11, 2024, 04:58:50 am
Yet here you are posting lies.  Again.

You've been very clear that your POV is no question raised, no alternative presented can be rationally considered because Oct 7 proved the Israeli political status quo is a rip-roaring success and will continue to keep Israel and her citizens safe and prosperous  ----  so anything else has got to be a lie.  :shrug:




Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on January 11, 2024, 05:11:00 am
You've been very clear that your POV is no question raised, no alternative presented can be rationally considered because Oct 7 proved the Israeli political status quo is a rip-roaring success and will continue to keep Israel and her citizens safe and prosperous  ----  and anything else has got to be a lie.
The palis, by their own admission, will absolutely, unequivocally NOT permit Israel to exist/survive. So what are the alternatives? Allow Israel to be exterminated? Sorry, not sorry, the vermin that are the pali's go. I simply cannot see where equivocating on this topic is any kind of debate. The vermin that are the palis have plainly and clearly made their goals/intentions known. They are not "peaceable" beings. No question, no discussion, no debate needed. A done deal, wipe them out. (I refuse to grant them any sense of "humanity" because they aren't human. No soul, no mercy, no compassion, no humanity within them.) Eff 'em. A civilized society cannot co-exist with such trash on its borders or within its confines.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 05:40:46 am
You've been very clear that your POV is no question raised, no alternative presented can be rationally considered because Oct 7 proved the Israeli political status quo is a rip-roaring success and will continue to keep Israel and her citizens safe and prosperous  ----  so anything else has got to be a lie.  :shrug:

That's really beautiful and all.  But it does nothing to change the fact that you are posting lies on this forum.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 05:50:33 am
Rachel Maddow calls Glenn Greenwald "the American left’s most fearless political commentator".  And now we see these left-wing lies posted here on this forum.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 11, 2024, 06:10:02 am
Rachel Maddow calls Glenn Greenwald "the American left’s most fearless political commentator".  And now we see these left-wing lies posted here on this forum.

So says the man quoting Rachel Maddow.   :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 06:19:59 am
Was she lying?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: jafo2010 on January 11, 2024, 07:49:05 am
Quote
Right_in_Virginia...
Hence, the decades long Israeli  control, occupation, settlements, wars and refusal of a two state peace treaty.


Simply no idea of what you are talking about.  The two state solution emerged from the Balfour Declaration of 1917.  From DAY ONE, Israel fully supported the agreement proposed, and from DAY ONE, the Palestinians said their only goal was the elimination of Israel and the death of every Jew.  The Palestinians have NOT moved from this position in all the years since.

The fact that Israel has greatly tempered their response to each war STARTED by muslim states, and endless and repeated attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah, etc and all the other lesser known terrorist groups hellbent on genocide for all Jews has come to a point of absurdity.

If Netanyahu is not going to destroy Gaza, and leave it in ruins on such that it is never to be inhabited until such time the people of Gaza surrender and disarm, then I say leave it in ruins for a century.  Enough is enough.

What would be the USA response if a cartel came across the Mexican border and killed 1,400 Americans in their homes, men, women, and children.  Raped and mutilated whoever they chose.  You think the USA would have a tempered response?  Fat chance.  And the occupation that would result would not end any time soon either!!!

Not matter what Israel does in Gaza, the majority of the world would never approve, so get it done.  Eliminate the enemy, and either they surrender or they die.  PERIOD!!!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Sighlass on January 11, 2024, 07:57:44 am

Simply no idea of what you are talking about.  The two state solution emerged from the Balfour Declaration of 1917.  From DAY ONE, Israel fully supported the agreement proposed, and from DAY ONE, the Palestinians said their only goal was the elimination of Israel and the death of every Jew.  The Palestinians have NOT moved from this position in all the years since.

The fact that Israel has greatly tempered their response to each war STARTED by muslim states, and endless and repeated attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah, etc and all the other lesser known terrorist groups hellbent on genocide for all Jews has come to a point of absurdity.

If Netanyahu is not going to destroy Gaza, and leave it in ruins on such that it is never to be inhabited until such time the people of Gaza surrender and disarm, then I say leave it in ruins for a century.  Enough is enough.

What would be the USA response if a cartel came across the Mexican border and killed 1,400 Americans in their homes, men, women, and children.  Raped and mutilated whoever they chose.  You think the USA would have a tempered response?  Fat chance.  And the occupation that would result would not end any time soon either!!!

Not matter what Israel does in Gaza, the majority of the world would never approve, so get it done.  Eliminate the enemy, and either they surrender or they die.  PERIOD!!!

Basically how I feel.... You can almost see the writing on the wall of Biblical prophesy coming true because Israel has for far too long pampered these hateful morons. In the end, it will be Israel vs the world, and I am afraid the US will not be in the equation (at least for the good).
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 11, 2024, 08:35:16 am
So says the man quoting Rachel Maddow.   :laugh:

@Right_in_Virginia

LOL!  The jokes write themselves around here, don't they?   :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 11, 2024, 12:16:04 pm

So what are the alternatives? Allow Israel to be exterminated?   Sorry, not sorry, the vermin that are the pali's go.

I simply cannot see where equivocating on this topic is any kind of debate.

Because Netanyahu's lifelong political strategy has been an abject failure.  Under his stewardship, the Palestinians have metastisized into a formidable military from north to south;  knocking him, his strategy and the State of Israel flat on their ........

Thanks to turning a blind eye to the tunnels being built even after the 2014 war, authorizing the transfer of US dollars estimated in the billions to Hamas, and concentrating on taking over the West Bank, Oct 7 became Netanyahu's chickens coming home to roost.  When is it enough?

I'm aware of the drumbeat, but the reality is no one, not even Israel, is going to kill all of Hamas and every Palestinian man, woman and child.

I'm also aware of the legend of Benjamin Netanyahu, but is it really enough to keep his failures going?   Sorry, not sorry, Israel needs a forward-looking Plan B --- and it's worth discussing.

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on January 11, 2024, 02:29:50 pm
The palis, by their own admission, will absolutely, unequivocally NOT permit Israel to exist/survive. So what are the alternatives? Allow Israel to be exterminated? Sorry, not sorry, the vermin that are the pali's go. I simply cannot see where equivocating on this topic is any kind of debate. The vermin that are the palis have plainly and clearly made their goals/intentions known. They are not "peaceable" beings. No question, no discussion, no debate needed. A done deal, wipe them out. (I refuse to grant them any sense of "humanity" because they aren't human. No soul, no mercy, no compassion, no humanity within them.) Eff 'em. A civilized society cannot co-exist with such trash on its borders or within its confines.

 :yowsa:  :amen:  pointing-up
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2024, 03:02:51 pm
Remaining Hostages Won’t Go Home Alive Unless Israel Leaves Gaza, Hamas Says
Israeli officials believe there are approximately 136 hostages remaining in the war-torn strip
Published 01/11/24 08:59 AM ET|Updated 1 hr ago
Christopher Gavin

Israeli hostages who still remain held captive by Hamas "will not be returned alive" unless Israeli forces pull out of the war-torn Gaza Strip, a Hamas spokesperson said Wednesday.

Facing strong public pressure to have those abducted during Hamas' Oct. 7 attacks brought home, Israeli officials have long held that they would continue fighting until all of the estimated 136 remaining hostages are returned and Hamas is destroyed.

“We affirm that the enemy prisoners will not be returned alive to their families" unless Israel complies with the terror group's conditions, "the first of which is a comprehensive cessation of the aggression against Gaza," Hamas spokesperson Osama Hamdan said during a news conference in Beirut, according to the New York Times.

Whether Hamas actually intends to follow through on its remarks is unclear. The terror group has threatened to kill the remaining hostages in the past.

Yet, more than 100 hostages – women and children – were released during November's week-long ceasefire, even as Israeli attacks had continued throughout the fall.

more
https://themessenger.com/news/israeli-hostages-wont-go-home-alive-unless-israel-leaves-gaza-hamas
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2024, 03:04:17 pm
Hostage Families Bring Loudspeaker to Gaza Border, Shout Words of Hope to Trapped Loved Ones
'We will move heaven and earth to bring you back' the families yelled, 'keep your strengths'
Published 01/11/24 09:50 AM ET|Updated 14 min ago
Christopher Gavin

Families of the more than 100 hostages who remain held by Hamas within the Gaza Strip on Thursday brought a loudspeaker to the Israeli border with the war-torn enclave, shouting words of hope and messages of strength to their trapped loved ones.

"Don't lose hope. We will move heaven and earth to bring you back," the families yelled across the border, with the speakers from the powerful amplification system turned in the direction of the southern Gaza city of Khan Yunis, according to i24 News, an Israeli news outlet.

This Sunday will mark 100 days since Hamas fighters pushed into southern Israel on Oct. 7, massacring some 1,200 people and taking about 240 others back to Gaza as hostages.

more
https://themessenger.com/news/hamas-hostage-families-loudspeaker-gaza-border-israel?utm_source=onsite&utm_medium=latest_news
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 05:50:41 pm
@Right_in_Virginia

LOL!  The jokes write themselves around here, don't they?   :beer:

So according to the @DCPatriot defend-RiV-at-all-costs standard, posting false left-wing propaganda is OK, but pointing out where a left-winger openly acknowledges the source as a left-wing propagandist is somehow an egregious crime.  How's that working for you?

Not to mention that you two are on opposite sides on this issue, yet you defend her position at the same time you support the opposing view.  Talk about insanity.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 05:52:03 pm
Israeli hostages who still remain held captive by Hamas "will not be returned alive" unless Israeli forces pull out of the war-torn Gaza Strip, a Hamas spokesperson said Wednesday.

Does anyone truly believe that Hamas will release these hostages if Israel pulls out of Gaza?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 05:53:29 pm
The palis, by their own admission, will absolutely, unequivocally NOT permit Israel to exist/survive. So what are the alternatives? Allow Israel to be exterminated? Sorry, not sorry, the vermin that are the pali's go. I simply cannot see where equivocating on this topic is any kind of debate. The vermin that are the palis have plainly and clearly made their goals/intentions known. They are not "peaceable" beings. No question, no discussion, no debate needed. A done deal, wipe them out. (I refuse to grant them any sense of "humanity" because they aren't human. No soul, no mercy, no compassion, no humanity within them.) Eff 'em. A civilized society cannot co-exist with such trash on its borders or within its confines.

TRUTH
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 06:01:14 pm
Because Netanyahu's lifelong political strategy has been an abject failure.

A lie.


Under his stewardship, the Palestinians have metastisized into a formidable military from north to south;

A lie.


.  .  .knocking him, his strategy and the State of Israel flat on their ........

A lie.


Thanks to turning a blind eye to the tunnels being built even after the 2014 war

A lie.


authorizing the transfer of US dollars estimated in the billions to Hamas

You are on record here opposing the alternative action.


and concentrating on taking over the West Bank

A lie.


Oct 7 became Netanyahu's chickens coming home to roost.

A lie.


I'm aware of the drumbeat, but the reality is no one, not even Israel, is going to kill all of Hamas and every Palestinian man, woman and child.

No one is suggesting they do.


Israel needs a forward-looking Plan B --- and it's worth discussing.

Sounds to me like Plan B is what they are doing now.  Yet you oppose it by continuing to post 75-year-old false anti-Israel propaganda.

Again, please stop posting lies on this forum.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on January 11, 2024, 06:06:23 pm
Does anyone truly believe that Hamas will release these hostages if Israel pulls out of Gaza?
Not any rational, thinking human being, no.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 11, 2024, 06:13:33 pm
All roads lead to Tehran ...

(https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/styles/embed_text_block/public/media/uploads/images/Iran%20Proxy%20Map%20only%202020%20small.webp)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 11, 2024, 06:24:13 pm
So according to the @DCPatriot defend-RiV-at-all-costs standard, posting false left-wing propaganda is OK, but pointing out where a left-winger openly acknowledges the source as a left-wing propagandist is somehow an egregious crime.  How's that working for you?

Not to mention that you two are on opposite sides on this issue, yet you defend her position at the same time you support the opposing view.  Talk about insanity.

Listen up, ya troll.

I very much disagree with @Right_in_Virginia 's stance on Israel. 

And we've been disagreeing on Israel since you were merely a gleam in @mystery-ak 's eye.

But at least I recognize the difference between a difference of opinion and what you define as "lying".

@Hoodat

Remember to look both ways before you GFY!   :seeya:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2024, 06:35:21 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
·
1m
Israel will keep large forces in Gaza for years to come, says senior government member Aryeh Deri; IDF will stay to ensure threat is gone, all Hamas chiefs no longer alive, he says. via @MaarivOnline
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2024, 06:38:20 pm
https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1745488194202660972
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 11, 2024, 07:11:31 pm
Quote
Biden Admin Gives $100,000 for Palestinian Girls’ Running and Wellness
byRealClearWire
January 11, 2024
By: Adam Andrzejewski

As Israel fights a war against the terrorist group Hamas, the Biden administration has funded $100,000 for 200 adolescent Palestinian girls and young women to participate in weekly running and wellness sessions.

Federal funding records show that the U.S. Department of State awarded the funding in September for a roughly two-year initiative to Free to Run, a Connecticut-based nonprofit seeking “to increase the opportunities for women and girls to engage in public life, using sport as a tool of empowerment and education,” the Washington Examiner reported.

According to federal records, the program is being administered in the West Bank. ...
https://foreigndesknews.com/middle-east/biden-admin-gives-100000-for-palestinian-girls-running-and-wellness/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 11, 2024, 07:15:47 pm
I very much disagree with @Right_in_Virginia 's stance on Israel. 

And we've been disagreeing on Israel since you were merely a gleam in @mystery-ak 's eye.

But at least I recognize the difference between a difference of opinion and what you define as "lying".

This is absolutely true @DCPatriot   Years before the great influx we would actually discuss events, including Israel and the Middle East.  If memory serves, all those years ago I wasn't a fan of Netanyahu  --- and for many of the same reasons I'm still not today.  happy77

But, we talked; without insults.  We actually discussed.  Those were good days, David  -- and nice memories.  Thank you for them.   :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 07:20:21 pm
But at least I recognize the difference between a difference of opinion and what you define as "lying".

Where did I say "lying"?  You put that in quotes as if I said it.


Remember to look both ways before you GFY!

Choosing to ignore the substance of what is posted reflects badly on you, not me.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 07:23:50 pm
This is absolutely true @DCPatriot   Years before the great influx we would actually discuss events, including Israel and the Middle East.

Are you willing to discuss the fact that you are posting claims on this forum which are provably untrue?  And that you continue to do so even after such proof has been provided?  Discuss away, @Right_in_Virginia .  Personally, I have heard my entire life the lie that the Jews are stealing land from the Palestinians.  Just never expected that lie to be posted here.  Repeatedly.  Maybe you can explain why Israel gave back the Suez Canal after the '73 War if their policy is to take all the land.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 07:24:21 pm
Birds of a feather....   happy77

They should get a room.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2024, 07:30:35 pm
If this bickering doesn't stop I will lock it so no one can post on it...I will just do updates on the news...some people here along with guests want to see what's happening not several members bickering all the time.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 11, 2024, 07:42:03 pm
If this bickering doesn't stop I will lock it so no one can post on it...I will just do updates on the news...some people here along with guests want to see what's happening not several members bickering all the time.

Then clean it up, Nancy!

Pat recognizes the need for differences of opinion here...why don't you stop this bullshit claims of "LIES" being posted by some of your FOUNDING ...and supposedly "Cherished" members?

Go back an read the damned thread instead of just posting updates..."WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE!"   
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2024, 07:47:39 pm
 Israel faces genocide charges at World Court; Gazans return to wasteland
By Reuters   
Published Jan. 11, 2024, 7:13 a.m. ET

Israel faced accusations at the World Court on Thursday of genocide in its war in Gaza, as the first residents returned to northern areas where Israeli forces have begun withdrawing, leaving behind scenes of total devastation.

Three months of Israeli bombardment has laid much of the narrow coastal enclave to waste, killing more than 23,000 people and driving nearly the entire population of 2.3 million Palestinians from their homes.

An Israeli blockade has sharply restricted supplies of food, fuel and medicine, creating what the United Nations describes as a humanitarian catastrophe.

Israel says its only choice to defend itself is by eradicating Hamas, the Islamist group that rules Gaza, whose fighters sworn to Israel’s destruction stormed through Israeli communities on Oct. 7, killing 1,200 people and capturing 240 hostages.

Israel blames Hamas for all harm to civilians for operating among them, which they deny.

more
https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/news/israel-faces-genocide-charges-at-world-court-gazans-return-to-wasteland/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2024, 07:57:16 pm
Then clean it up, Nancy!

Pat recognizes the need for differences of opinion here...why don't you stop this bullshit claims of "LIES" being posted by some of your FOUNDING ...and supposedly "Cherished" members?

Go back an read the damned thread instead of just posting updates..."WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE!"

WOW...how condescending...You and RIV seem to always be in the middle of instigating all the turmoil on threads.

"Cherished Members"....damn right they are!

Like I've told you many times...if you don't like it here no one is keeping you here...

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 11, 2024, 08:13:07 pm
WOW...how condescending...You and RIV seem to always be in the middle of instigating all the turmoil on threads.

"Cherished Members"....damn right they are!

Like I've told you many times...if you don't like it here no one is keeping you here...

@Right_in_Virginia

I speak TRUTH.  Too old and sick to give a shit what anybody, including you, thinks.

We're found "in the middle" because we're two of only perhaps a half dozen who aren't part of your NT choir.

We realize you, as well as your hubby, hate President Trump. 
I've been here since DAY 1.  And the previous several forums you and others started...since DAY 1.

Chew on that for awhile.

PS:  And "Cherished" members meant RIV and myself...not the hoard that washed up shipwrecked on our front porch.


Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2024, 08:36:58 pm
You have no idea what Mike thinks of Trump as he never posts here.

I do see what you think of the members here though...I think it's time you moved on from TBR.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2024, 08:37:04 pm
Hamas Chief Calls to ‘Build Upon’ Oct. 7 ‘Victory,’ Praises Gaza Donations as ‘Financial Jihad’

Muslim leaders worldwide must “hold on” to the October 7 “victory” and “build upon it,” according to Hamas terror organization senior leader Ismail Haniyeh who appealed for monetary support for Gaza, which he described as “financial Jihad,” while declaring “the time has come for the Jihad of the swords.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/01/11/hamas-chief-calls-build-upon-oct-7-victory-praises-gaza-donations-financial-jihad/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 11, 2024, 08:45:57 pm
Hamas Chief Calls to ‘Build Upon’ Oct. 7 ‘Victory,’ Praises Gaza Donations as ‘Financial Jihad’

Muslim leaders worldwide must “hold on” to the October 7 “victory” and “build upon it,” according to Hamas terror organization senior leader Ismail Haniyeh who appealed for monetary support for Gaza, which he described as “financial Jihad,” while declaring “the time has come for the Jihad of the swords.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/01/11/hamas-chief-calls-build-upon-oct-7-victory-praises-gaza-donations-financial-jihad/

This is beyond concerning-- calling for 'worldwide jihad'. Watch your backs folks ... they're already here.  **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 11, 2024, 08:50:35 pm
You have no idea what Mike thinks of Trump as he never posts here.

I do see what you think of the members here though...I think it's time you moved on from TBR.

You've posted what Mike thinks of President Trump. 

And I'm not going anywhere. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2024, 08:52:23 pm
You've posted what Mike thinks of President Trump. 

And I'm not going anywhere.

Yet we both voted for him...and will again if we have to.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 11, 2024, 08:53:39 pm
Yet we both voted for him...and will again if we have to.

Not the point...and you know it.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 08:57:14 pm
I speak TRUTH.

lol
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Sighlass on January 11, 2024, 08:57:31 pm
@Right_in_Virginia
PS:  And "Cherished" members meant RIV and myself...not the hoard that washed up shipwrecked on our front porch.

I found a picture of me the first day I arrived at TBR.... Man I was so young... and that dialup AOL internet was so slow.

(https://i.postimg.cc/HsYT7Fbz/Washed-Up.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 11, 2024, 09:02:32 pm
Joseph Haboush
@jhaboush
There have been 19 attacks on US forces in Iraq and Syria since Jan. 1 and 130 total since Oct. 17, per US defense official
1:42 PM · Jan 11, 2024

End IRGC in Iraq
@endiraqcorrupt
And all those attacks are funded by the @IraqiGovt who pays all the militias. But @POTUS is going to host Iraqi PM @mohamedshia at @WhiteHouse next month.  👀👀👀👀👀
2:38 PM · Jan 11, 2024
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 11, 2024, 09:03:18 pm
Yet we both voted for him...and will again if we have to.

One last point for you to ponder...

Then by idiots such as @Hoodat ... you just 'LIED'  about not hating President Trump.

See how that works??  /s    :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on January 11, 2024, 09:04:31 pm
@DCPatriot  Make yourself a Metamucil martini and relax.  It will keep you regular.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 09:05:59 pm
This is beyond concerning-- calling for 'worldwide jihad'. Watch your backs folks ... they're already here.

The overwhelming majority of muslims clearly don't believe in jihad.  Every time there is a worldwide call for jihad, no one answers.  If they really believe in that 72-virgins BS, then all their leaders would have already sacrificed their own lives for jihad instead of pleading for others to do it.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 11, 2024, 09:06:45 pm
@DCPatriot  Make yourself a Metamucil martini and relax.  It will keep you regular.

@Wingnut

Will do...thanks!   :patriot:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2024, 09:08:21 pm
One last point for you to ponder...

Then by idiots such as @Hoodat ... you just 'LIED'  about not hating President Trump.

See how that works??  /s    :beer:

I do hate Trump...never said I didn't.

Enough ...I want this thread back on topic
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 09:08:35 pm
One last point for you to ponder...

Then by idiots such as @Hoodat ... you just 'LIED'  about not hating President Trump.

First rule of holes .     .
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 11, 2024, 09:10:40 pm
Enough ...I want this thread back on topic

Yes ma'am.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 11, 2024, 09:10:47 pm
I do hate Trump...never said I didn't.

Enough ...I want this thread back on topic

Fair enough!  Thank you for your thoughts.   :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 11, 2024, 09:18:42 pm
The overwhelming majority of muslims clearly don't believe in jihad.  Every time there is a worldwide call for jihad, no one answers.  If they really believe in that 72-virgins BS, then all their leaders would have already sacrificed their own lives for jihad instead of pleading for others to do it.

The concern is all those coming across our border.  To think that terrorists, Hamas and others aren't already here would be being naive.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2024, 09:35:16 pm
 US intelligence reportedly fears Hezbollah could attack America: ‘It is something to be worried about’
By Social Links for Melissa Koenig
Published Jan. 11, 2024, 10:17 a.m. ET
 
US intelligence officials reportedly fear Hezbollah could launch an attack in America as tensions spill over from the terrorist group’s assault on Israel.

The Lebanese group will likely first target American military or diplomatic personnel in the Middle East — but could also have sights on American soil, four unidentified intelligence officials told Politico.

“Hezbollah could draw on the capability they have … to put people [in] places to do something,” warned one of the officials.

“It is something to be worried about.”

The four officials did not offer specifics on what type of attacks are feared. However, they warned that Hezbollah has an expansive international network — greater than those of either ISIS or al Qaeda.

more
https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/news/us-intelligence-fears-hezbollah-could-attack-america-report/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 11, 2024, 09:41:22 pm
US intelligence reportedly fears Hezbollah could attack America: ‘It is something to be worried about’
By Social Links for Melissa Koenig
Published Jan. 11, 2024, 10:17 a.m. ET
 
US intelligence officials reportedly fear Hezbollah could launch an attack in America as tensions spill over from the terrorist group’s assault on Israel.

The Lebanese group will likely first target American military or diplomatic personnel in the Middle East — but could also have sights on American soil, four unidentified intelligence officials told Politico.

“Hezbollah could draw on the capability they have … to put people [in] places to do something,” warned one of the officials.

“It is something to be worried about.”


The four officials did not offer specifics on what type of attacks are feared. However, they warned that Hezbollah has an expansive international network — greater than those of either ISIS or al Qaeda.

more
https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/news/us-intelligence-fears-hezbollah-could-attack-america-report/

..and here we have it ...confirmed.  They will attack from within and we can thank Joe for continuing to leave the border wide open.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on January 11, 2024, 09:47:40 pm

OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
54s
The President of the United States, Joe Biden is expected to make a Address to the Nation tonight following the start of Missile and Airstrikes against the Houthi Terrorist Group in Yemen.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2024, 10:14:12 pm
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
54s
The President of the United States, Joe Biden is expected to make a Address to the Nation tonight following the start of Missile and Airstrikes against the Houthi Terrorist Group in Yemen.

How much is this going to cost..
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: catfish1957 on January 11, 2024, 10:46:04 pm
One last point for you to ponder...

Then by idiots such as @Hoodat ... you just 'LIED'  about not hating President Trump.

See how that works??  /s    :beer:

@DCPatriot

Like your recent claim I was off base with Freedom Cities, even though there is very specific proof on film, and specifics on his web site?

That's about as close to a lie than anything.  Enough of the hypcricy.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 11, 2024, 11:16:23 pm
How much is this going to cost..
Apparently he was in no shape to deliver any sort of address:

Jennifer Jacobs
@JenniferJJacobs
White House lid for the night—no more appearances from @POTUS tonight.
5:56 PM · Jan 11, 2024

OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
The White House has announced a Press Lid for the remainder of tonight meaning that President Biden will no longer be Addressing the Nation like was Initially Reported.
6:03 PM · Jan 11, 2024
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on January 11, 2024, 11:18:28 pm
Apparently he was in no shape to deliver any sort of address:

Jennifer Jacobs
@JenniferJJacobs
White House lid for the night—no more appearances from @POTUS tonight.
5:56 PM · Jan 11, 2024

OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
The White House has announced a Press Lid for the remainder of tonight meaning that President Biden will no longer be Addressing the Nation like was Initially Reported.
6:03 PM · Jan 11, 2024

"Vigor"
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on January 11, 2024, 11:30:53 pm

OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
1m
U.S. Officials have Confirmed the beginning of Airstrikes against Houthi Targets in Yemen.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 11, 2024, 11:46:14 pm
Apparently he was in no shape to deliver any sort of address:

Jennifer Jacobs
@JenniferJJacobs
White House lid for the night—no more appearances from @POTUS tonight.
5:56 PM · Jan 11, 2024

OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
The White House has announced a Press Lid for the remainder of tonight meaning that President Biden will no longer be Addressing the Nation like was Initially Reported.
6:03 PM · Jan 11, 2024

Way to go Joe you evil ***** of ****!  Nope, he' in no shape to give a speech. :drunk:

So....still waiting for the excuse as to why he can't deliver the State of the Union address coming up shortly. Can Chuckles give it instead?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on January 11, 2024, 11:52:13 pm
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
15m
Multiple Airstrikes now Targeting the Yemeni Capital City of Sana'a in the West of the Country.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on January 11, 2024, 11:57:46 pm

OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
5m
According to CNN, the Strikes tonight against the Houthi Terrorist Group in Western Yemen are being carried by U.S. and British Aircraft as well as Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles launched by U.S. Naval Ships in the Red Sea.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2024, 12:10:39 am
Way to go Joe you evil ***** of ****!  Nope, he' in no shape to give a speech. :drunk:

So....still waiting for the excuse as to why he can't deliver the State of the Union address coming up shortly. Can Chuckles give it instead?

The State of the Union was not meant to be a speech, it was done in writing for years.  I favor this approach, because it does away with all the Pomp and Circumstance we see every year.  Especially when we have a certified retard as President.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 12, 2024, 12:13:00 am
The State of the Union was not meant to be a speech, it was done in writing for years.  I favor this approach, because it does away with all the Pomp and Circumstance we see every year.  Especially when we have a certified retard as President.
Nah. Anyone can write it. I want to see him stumble and mutter and bluster his way through it.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on January 12, 2024, 12:17:50 am
Prayers up for our military personnel.


OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
5m
Initially Reports of Houthi Forces in Western Yemen launching a Barrage of Anti-Ship Ballistic Missiles towards U.S. Naval Ships in the Red Sea.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2024, 12:23:02 am
Nah. Anyone can write it. I want to see him stumble and mutter and bluster his way through it.

You have a point.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 12, 2024, 01:25:41 am
Prayers up for our military personnel.


OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
5m
Initially Reports of Houthi Forces in Western Yemen launching a Barrage of Anti-Ship Ballistic Missiles towards U.S. Naval Ships in the Red Sea.

Ditto.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on January 12, 2024, 02:11:37 am
Apparently he was in no shape to deliver any sort of address:

Jennifer Jacobs
@JenniferJJacobs
White House lid for the night—no more appearances from @POTUS tonight.
5:56 PM · Jan 11, 2024

OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
The White House has announced a Press Lid for the remainder of tonight meaning that President Biden will no longer be Addressing the Nation like was Initially Reported.
6:03 PM · Jan 11, 2024
I guess so soon after the last time the drugs were ineffective :silly: :silly: or maybe it should really be  8888crybaby because the rat bastard and his handlers are driving us into WWIII at warp speed!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on January 12, 2024, 02:29:36 am
I guess so soon after the last time the drugs were ineffective :silly: :silly: or maybe it should really be  8888crybaby because the rat bastard and his handlers are driving us into WWIII at warp speed!
I think Democrat election handlers and Biden's controllers would not mind a larger war before the election. Wag the Dog.
Then they can blame all of their intentional mismanagement and sabotage of everything American on the war.

THIS IS A TIME OF WAR PEOPLE! WE CANNOT RISK A PRESIDENTIAL CHANGE DURING THESE DANGEROUS TIMES!
(of course they will forget to mention that they themselves caused the dangerous times)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: catfish1957 on January 12, 2024, 02:43:34 am
So we just bombed another soverign nation (of course justified), and CIC calls it a night without any comment?

Really makes you wonder who really is running the show.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 12, 2024, 02:47:37 am
So we just bombed another soverign nation (of course justified), and CIC calls it a night without any comment?

Really makes you wonder who really is running the show.

@catfish1957

We ALL know who's running the show!   



Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: catfish1957 on January 12, 2024, 02:51:29 am
@catfish1957

We ALL know who's running the show!

Singularly?  Enlighten us.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 12, 2024, 02:54:15 am
THIS IS A TIME OF WAR PEOPLE! WE CANNOT RISK A PRESIDENTIAL CHANGE DURING THESE DANGEROUS TIMES!
(of course they will forget to mention that they themselves caused the dangerous times)

We're at war with East Asia, and we've always been at war with East Asia.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on January 12, 2024, 03:01:08 am
We're at war with East Asia, and we've always been at war with East Asia.
If they will fake a 'deadly global pandemic' to change an election, starting a war somewhere (another war) is not out of bounds.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 12, 2024, 07:51:17 am
I think Democrat election handlers and Biden's controllers would not mind a larger war before the election. Wag the Dog.
Then they can blame all of their intentional mismanagement and sabotage of everything American on the war.

THIS IS A TIME OF WAR PEOPLE! WE CANNOT RISK A PRESIDENTIAL CHANGE DURING THESE DANGEROUS TIMES!
(of course they will forget to mention that they themselves caused the dangerous times)
Considering the whole Afghanistan thingy, we cannnot NOT risk a change of President if there's a war on.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 12, 2024, 03:06:50 pm
Israel Opens Defense Against Genocide Charge at International Court in The Hague
The case could take years to be decided, but there may be major short-term implications for Israel's war in Gaza
Published 01/12/24 05:02 AM ET|Updated 2 hr ago
Tom Nagorski and Nikhil Kumar

Israel started its defense against the charge that it has committed genocide against civilians in Gaza Friday, a day after South Africa brought the case to the International Court of Justice at the Hague.

Israel fiercely disputed the accusations since they were made public, but Friday’s presentation marked the first formal rebuttal by Israeli lawyers.

"If there were acts of genocide, they have been perpetrated against Israel," said Israel's lead attorney, foreign ministry adviser Tal Becker.

He described the "wholesale massacre, mutilation, rape, and abduction" by Hamas on Oct. 7. "If there were acts of genocide, they have been perpetrated against Israel," Becker said.

Becker showed an interview with Hamas official Ghazi Hamad in which he vowed the Oct. 7 attack against Israel was just the beginning, vowing to launch "a second, a third, a fourth" attack until the country is "annihilated."

more
https://themessenger.com/news/israel-opens-defense-against-genocide-charge-at-international-court-in-the-hague
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on January 12, 2024, 03:12:43 pm
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
15m
Multiple Airstrikes now Targeting the Yemeni Capital City of Sana'a in the West of the Country.

These opinions may or may not be popular hereabouts, but:

1. Damn well about time!

2. LIEden should have done this several months ago, with or without other nations' participation and support.

3. LIEden's delay encouraged the Houthis and made the situation worse than it could have been.

4. I hope the various countries' PTBs realize that a single set of strikes won't get the Houthis to stop.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on January 12, 2024, 04:01:42 pm
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Israel started its defense against the charge that it has committed genocide against civilians in Gaza Friday, a day after South Africa brought the case to the International Court of Justice at the Hague.

That's rich.  This from a country that publicly states they want to kill every White South African and take their land.   

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 12, 2024, 04:22:52 pm
Considering the whole Afghanistan thingy, we cannnot NOT risk a change of President if there's a war on.

Amen!!  Agreed.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on January 12, 2024, 05:00:47 pm
I think Democrat election handlers and Biden's controllers would not mind a larger war before the election. Wag the Dog.
Then they can blame all of their intentional mismanagement and sabotage of everything American on the war.

THIS IS A TIME OF WAR PEOPLE! WE CANNOT RISK A PRESIDENTIAL CHANGE DURING THESE DANGEROUS TIMES!
(of course they will forget to mention that they themselves caused the dangerous times)

I don't think Demo-rats will buy that this time around.  Joe's too old and they can see it.  Besides, there no telling what button he's liable to push!!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on January 12, 2024, 05:56:33 pm
That's rich.  This from a country that publicly states they want to kill every White South African and take their land.

 :silly:  Good catch!   :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 12, 2024, 07:42:06 pm
WOW...how condescending...You and RIV seem to always be in the middle of instigating all the turmoil on threads.

Sorry I'm late responding to this .... Just saw it @mystery-ak   

Message received ... 

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 12, 2024, 10:37:31 pm
I don't think Demo-rats will buy that this time around.  Joe's too old and they can see it.  Besides, there no telling what button he's liable to push!!
Well, after bolstering Ukraine's defenses, and the Afghanistan withdrawal, we just can't afford to rearm a bunch of Muslim nations.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 14, 2024, 02:59:10 pm
Netanyahu Says ‘No One Will Stop’ Israel as Genocide Case Continues

Netanyahu made clear that Israel would ignore orders to halt the fighting from the International Court of Justice

By Associated Press

Published 01/14/24 07:56 AM ET|Updated 2 hr ago

Israel will pursue its war against Hamas until victory and will not be stopped by anyone, including the world court, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a defiant speech Saturday, as the fighting in Gaza approached the 100-day mark.

Netanyahu spoke after the International Court of Justice at The Hague held two days of hearings on South Africa's allegations that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians, a charge Israel has rejected as libelous and hypocritical. South Africa asked the court to order Israel to halt its blistering air and ground offensive in an interim step.

“No one will stop us, not The Hague, not the axis of evil and not anyone else," Netanyahu said in televised remarks Saturday evening, referring to Iran and its allied militias.

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https://themessenger.com/news/netanyahu-says-no-one-will-stop-israel-as-genocide-case-continues
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 15, 2024, 01:29:07 am
 Hamas teases ‘fate’ of 3 hostages — including Noa Argamani — in disturbing propaganda video
By Social Links for Ronny Reyes
Published Jan. 14, 2024, 7:17 p.m. ET

Hamas released video Sunday of three Israeli captives – including Nova rave attendee Noa Argamani, who became the face of the hostage crisis after footage showed her being dragged off on a motorcycle.

The video included a disturbing teaser: “Tomorrow we will inform you of their Fate.”

Argamani, 26, and fellow hostages Yossi Sharabi, 53, and Itai Svirsky, 38, were seen for the first time since their kidnapping on Oct. 7 in the video released by the terror group.

It was unclear when the video was filmed.

But as with other hostage videos released by Hamas, the trio are seen introducing themselves and pleading the Israeli government to do whatever they can to ensure their safe return.

more
https://nypost.com/2024/01/14/news/hamas-teases-fate-of-3-hostages-including-noa-argamani-in-eerie-propaganda-video/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 15, 2024, 01:30:54 am
 Biden ‘running out’ of patience with Netanyahu while Israeli civilians are killed by Lebanese missiles on 100th day of Hamas war
By Social Links for Ronny Reyes
Published Jan. 14, 2024
Updated Jan. 14, 2024, 12:40 p.m. ET

President Biden’s patience with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is extremely close to “running out,’’ it was revealed Sunday — as Israel marked the 100th day of its war with Hamas.

Despite Biden’s public support of Israel at the cost of political points at home, he is faced with “immense frustration” over the Israeli PM’s handling of the war — with tensions between the pair reaching a boiling point late last month, when Biden abruptly hung up the phone during a conversation with Netanyahu, sources told Axios.

“This conversation is over!” Biden allegedly yelled at Netanyahu during the pair’s Dec. 23 call, which reportedly grew heated when the prime minister refused to release the Palestinian tax revenues being held by the Israeli government.

The phone call marked the last conversation between the pair, who had spoken nearly every day since war broke out Oct. 7, the outlet said.

“The situation sucks, and we are stuck — the president’s patience is running out,” a US official said.

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https://nypost.com/2024/01/14/news/israeli-civilians-killed-in-their-home-by-lebanese-missiles/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DB on January 15, 2024, 01:39:57 am
And if thousands of missiles were flying into our cities over our southern border just exactly what would our response be???

And if a thousand Americans were violently raped, murdered and mutilated over the course a few hours by an armed mob crossing our southern border what would our response be???

The one big difference is there would be actual civilians beyond our southern border. Not so much over the border into Gaza.

FJB.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 15, 2024, 01:59:36 am
And if thousands of missiles were flying into our cities over our southern border just exactly what would our response be???

And if a thousand Americans were violently raped, murdered and mutilated over the course a few hours by an armed mob crossing our southern border what would our response be???

The one big difference is there would be actual civilians beyond our southern border. Not so much over the border into Gaza.

FJB.
Maybe then, civilians would stop waiting for the government to get off its fat corrupt asses and do something.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 15, 2024, 02:01:13 am
And if a thousand Americans were violently raped, murdered and mutilated over the course a few hours by an armed mob crossing our southern border what would our response be???

To put that in perspective by population, the equivalent for us would be almost 48,000 Americans raped and murdered.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 15, 2024, 02:08:18 am
And if thousands of missiles were flying into our cities over our southern border just exactly what would our response be???

And if a thousand Americans were violently raped, murdered and mutilated over the course a few hours by an armed mob crossing our southern border what would our response be???

The one big difference is there would be actual civilians beyond our southern border. Not so much over the border into Gaza.

FJB.

I think too many Americans feel that an attack from Hamas can't possibly happen here and our gov't would defend us.  IMHO they are so, so, wrong.  Evil Joe is NOT pro-American nor are his puppet handlers. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on January 15, 2024, 02:45:57 am
Biden Hussein Obama ‘running out’ of patience with Netanyahu while Israeli civilians are killed by Lebanese missiles on 100th day of Hamas war

President Biden’s Hussein Obama patience with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is extremely close to “running out,’’ it was revealed Sunday — as Israel marked the 100th day of its war with Hamas.

Despite Biden’s Hussein's public support of Israel at the cost of political points at home, he is faced with “immense frustration” over the Israeli PM’s handling of the war — with tensions between the pair reaching a boiling point late last month, when Biden abruptly hung up the phone during a conversation with Netanyahu, sources told Axios.

This is good. Better to have the Democrats' HATE of Israel out on the table rather than to continue to 'pretend' they want to help. It is always good to know up front who your enemies are.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 15, 2024, 03:18:56 am
The notion that Biden and Bibi speak almost every day is beyond laughable.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: jafo2010 on January 15, 2024, 04:14:33 am
mystery-ak,

You posted the following noted article on Page 16 of this thread, and I extracted three paragraphs that prove the NECESSITY for Israel to destroy this avowed enemy.  And I do mean completely destroy them, vanquish them.  That does not mean killing them all, but killing enough of them until such time they surrender. 

And providing aid to these people with USA tax dollars is an offense to civilization, for these people are hellbent on destroying Israel.

The 3rd paragraph below demonstrates CLEARLY how hellbent they are, with 4/5 ths of the West Bank supporting what Gaza did.  Expressed another way, 80% of those in the West Bank believe the genocide was just.  And the fat cat leader living a billionaire's life in Qatar says they must build on this success.

Time for Israel to target this MF!!!  And it is time for Israel to not be concerned about collateral damage but to destroy and kill everyone in their path that is resisting.  The only OBJECTIVE for Israel should be the unconditional surrender by Hamas.

Muslim leaders worldwide must “hold on” to the October 7 “victory” and “build upon it,” according to Hamas terror organization senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, who appealed for monetary support for Gaza, which he described as “financial Jihad,” while declaring “the time has come for the Jihad of the swords.”

In October, Hamas political official Ghazi Hamad told Lebanese television that the terror group intends to repeat its October 7 attack until Israel is annihilated.

Meanwhile, support for Hamas has more than tripled in the West Bank following the terror group’s October 7 massacre, according to a poll last month showing more than four-fifths of Palestinian respondents agreed with the terror group’s decision to execute the barbaric attacks.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/01/11/hamas-chief-calls-build-upon-oct-7-victory-praises-gaza-donations-financial-jihad/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: jafo2010 on January 15, 2024, 04:47:13 am
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libertybelle...
I think too many Americans feel that an attack from Hamas can't possibly happen here and our gov't would defend us.  IMHO they are so, so, wrong.  Evil Joe is NOT pro-American nor are his puppet handlers.

With a wide open border for three years running, and X million flooding in unchecked, it is plausible that at least six hundred Palestinians have entered with the intent of fulfilling missions attacking the USA.  And with the slightest amount of intelligence, a handful could bring the USA to its knees, leaving us to suffer through six months or so.  Death rates here would soar, and it would mark a huge hit against the evil west in their eyes, and that billionaire leader of Gaza would be singing of another victory to build upon.

What would it take, 200 - three man teams to simultaneously destroy power plants in the USA.  It would collapse just about everything in the USA.  Targeting the most populated areas would insure massive death and destruction.

It can happen, and our government would do little to stop it.  Heck, the FBI is concentrated on those nasty domestic terrorists at school boards, called parents!  And arresting as many more of the January 6th insurrectionists that were/are such a threat. If anyone wanted to attack this nation from within, we are wide open and I believe NEVER MORE VULNERABLE. On top of it all, we have a dead from the neck up leader whose daily priority is getting his desired flavor of ice cream.

Once away from the targeted power plants, they could next target tractor trailer drivers, killing them randomly across the nation, shutting down transportation of everything, but particularly food.  How long before people begin killing each other for crumbs?  I give it two weeks tops.  Why, it would create chaos like never before.

And doing it at the height of winter, or even summer would deliver the maximum number of dead.  People would freeze or die of heat exhaustion.  And there is little our government would be able to do to stop it all.

Time to prepare for the worst in this regard.  Have six months of food in stock, the weapons and ammo to protect it all.

I used to think people that thought this way a bit crazy.  Not so much any longer.  The problem is defending it from marauders.

And Yemen Houthis firing missiles on commercial shipping should have resulted in an immediate response.  And rather than firing on sites hoping to take out missiles and supplies and such, I say take out a city by leveling it.  Maybe then they would get that their actions have consequences.  What the USA is doing is all but useless and meaningless.   It was reported the other day we hit stores and five were killed.  Those are readily acceptable losses and no consequence to these genocidal maniacs.

BTW, how much aid is the USA providing Yemen?  How many hundreds of millions/billions?  That should have ended with the first rocket attack.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: jafo2010 on January 15, 2024, 06:23:59 am
Did a search of aid to Yemen, and nearly fell out of my shoes with the response.

How much has the US given to Yemen?
As one of the largest donors, this brings our total to the humanitarian response in Yemen to over $5.4 billion since the conflict began. The United States' commitment to alleviating the suffering of millions from the world's worst humanitarian crisis in Yemen remains resolute.Feb 27, 2023

I consider this criminal, and all involved should be sent to prison for a long time.  At what point and time do the American citizenry, particularly the American taxpayers receive consideration?  WHEN???

The time has come for a MANDATORY BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT WITH THE SOLE EXCEPTION OF WAR DECLARED BY CONGRESS.

The American people/taxpayer are getting f***ed every day by the self serving Congress, and at some point this nonsense has to end.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 15, 2024, 08:10:08 am
High treason.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on January 15, 2024, 02:38:16 pm

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“The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”
― Vladimir Ilich Lenin
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 15, 2024, 02:45:49 pm
Hamas Releases Ominous Propaganda Video of Noa Argamani, 2 Other Hostages

The Palestinian Hamas terror organization released a 37-second video on Sunday that was the first sign that hostage Noa Argamani, 26, is still alive, along with two other Israeli hostages.

https://twitter.com/NPTMEDIA1/status/1746638426676297833

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/14/hamas-releases-ominous-propaganda-video-of-noa-argamani-2-other-hostages/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 15, 2024, 03:24:57 pm
Israel Awaits Fate of Supernova Hostage Seen Pleading for Life on Motorbike After Hamas Propaganda Video
Hamas said it would release more information on the kidnapped Israelis, including Noa Argamani
Published 01/15/24 09:55 AM ET|Updated 2 min ago
Luke Funk

Israel is awaiting any word on the fate of Supernova music festival hostage Noa Argamani and two others after Hamas released a "proof of life" propaganda a video showing the Israelis and promised further updates on them.

Hamas released the video late Sunday of the three, apparently speaking under duress, pleading with their government to end the war and bring them home.

Argamani, 26, of Be'er Sheva, was one of the hostages seen on the video. She became one of the faces of the Oct. 7 massacre. Argamani's abduction from the Supernova Music Festival on was captured on video. She could be be heard screaming, “Don’t kill me! No, no, no,” while being forced onto a motorcycle by members of Hamas.

The same footage shows her partner being restrained by two other men.

In the new video, she pleaded for her life.

The other two other Hamas captives in the new video were identified as Yossi Sharabi and Itai Sabirsky.

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https://themessenger.com/news/israel-hostages-fate-proof-of-life-video-noa-argamani?utm_source=onsite&utm_medium=latest_news
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 15, 2024, 07:07:55 pm
Hamas Releases Ominous Propaganda Video of Noa Argamani, 2 Other Hostages

The Palestinian Hamas terror organization released a 37-second video on Sunday that was the first sign that hostage Noa Argamani, 26, is still alive, along with two other Israeli hostages. ...
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Hamas reveals two of the three hostages from terror group’s latest sickening propaganda video have been killed
By Social Links for Ronny Reyes
Published Jan. 15, 2024, 1:16 p.m. ET

Hamas revealed Monday that Israeli hostages Yossi Sharabi and Itai Svirsky have been killed in captivity, while Noa Argamani is still alive.

The grim update was given in the terror group’s latest propaganda video featuring Argamani, 26, who reported on the two men’s deaths.

Argamani ​– who was previously caught on video being abducted from the Nova music fest Oct. 7 screaming, “Don’t kill me!” from the back of a motorcycle — said in ​the new ​footage that she ​had been held in a building with her fellow ​two hostages by Hamas’ military wing when the​ site was hit by an Israeli airstrike.  ...
https://nypost.com/2024/01/15/news/hamas-reveals-two-of-the-three-hostages-from-terror-groups-latest-sickening-propaganda-video-have-been-killed/


Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 15, 2024, 11:15:02 pm
Hamas Uses One Hostage to Claim Deaths of Two Others

Hamas issued a new video on Monday in which it forced an Israeli hostage, Noa Argamani, announced the death of two other hostages who had appeared in another video with Argamani the day before.

The video apparently took the form of a guessing game, in which viewers were asked to guess which of the hostages survived.

https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1746930513418289650

Hamas claims that the two were killed in an Israeli airstrike and that Argamani was also wounded, but survived.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) would not confirm those claims. However, IDF spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said in a statement on Monday evening (translation via IDF):

    Over the last day, Hamas has published videos about hostages, cruelly exploiting innocent people being held hostage. This evening, I would like to provide an update on the information available to us about these events, after we notified the families.

    Itai, Noa, and another hostage whose family asked not to say his name, were kidnapped to Gaza in a criminal and violent manner by the Hamas terror organization on October 7th.

    Itai Svirsky, 38, had gone to his parents’ home in Kibbutz Be’eri to celebrate the festival of Simchat Torah. His parents were murdered by Hamas terrorists, and he was abducted.

    Noa Argamani, 26, was abducted from the “Nova” party along with her partner, Avinatan. The Nova party symbolized what is good and the joy of life for the youth. The image of Noa, on a motorcycle, surrounded by terrorists and crying out for help, strikes the heart of every person in the country and the world.

    While we have received a sign of life from Noa, I refer to the description that emerges from the video regarding the fate of Itai and the additional captive:

    Itai was not shot by our forces – this is a Hamas lie. The building where they were being held was not a target, and it was not struck by our forces.

    We did not know their real-time location; we do not strike in places where we know there may be hostages. In hindsight, we know we struck targets near to the location where they were being held. We are investigating the event and its circumstances, examining the images distributed by Hamas, alongside additional information at our disposal.

    Nevertheless, I wish to update that in recent days, IDF representatives met with the families of Itai and the additional captive and expressed grave concern for their fate, due to information available to us.

    Even during these difficult hours, we are in constant contact with the families, updating them with the details we know about their loved ones. We will continue to update them with every piece of verified information we have before then notifying the public.

    Hamas tries to sow fear by exploiting the fact that Israeli society sanctifies the lives of its people.

    Yes, Israeli society sanctifies the lives of its people. This is our strength – our concern for our citizens and our determination to return the hostages. We are operating using every means to bring them back home and to prevent harm to them. This is our compass on the battlefield – our moral obligation.


As Breitbart News noted on Sunday, Argamani is one of the most well-known of the roughly 130 remaining hostages in Gaza.

She was abducted from the Supernova music festival, and her mother, who is dying of brain cancer, has pleaded for her release.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/15/hamas-uses-one-hostage-to-claim-deaths-of-two-others/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 16, 2024, 12:12:28 pm
IDF soldier wounded in firefight with 20 suspects at Egypt border crossing

i24 News 1/16/2024

A spokesperson for the Egyptian army says a drug smuggling attempt was thwarted near the Al-Awja (Nitzana) crossing, 6 individuals were arrested and one died

Israel Defense Forces (IDF) stated a female soldier was wounded in a firefight with 20 suspects attempting to cross the border from Egypt, while Egyptian officials said a drug smuggling operation was thwarted in the area.

A spokesperson for the Egyptian army said a clash broke out and one individual was killed south of the Al-Awja (Nitzana) border crossing, adding the smuggling of an "estimated 174 kilograms of narcotic substances of various types, was thwarted."

The IDF, for its part, only indicated that the Israeli soldiers identified hitting the suspects near the Nitzana border opening, without going into detail about the incident. The female soldier was initially moderately wounded, but after medical treatment her condition has improved.

More: https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/defense/1705385447-idf-soldier-wounded-in-firefight-with-20-suspects-at-egypt-border-crossing (https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/defense/1705385447-idf-soldier-wounded-in-firefight-with-20-suspects-at-egypt-border-crossing)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 16, 2024, 08:37:04 pm
Freed Israeli Hostage: Israel Women are Being Raped in Captivity

Freed Israeli hostage Agam Goldstein-Almog told Israel’s Channel 13 on Tuesday that fellow female hostages were raped repeatedly by their Hamas captors in Gaza, and that her own captors threatened to forcibly “marry” her as well.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/16/freed-israeli-hostage-israel-women-are-being-raped-in-captivity/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DB on January 16, 2024, 08:55:44 pm
Freed Israeli Hostage: Israel Women are Being Raped in Captivity

Freed Israeli hostage Agam Goldstein-Almog told Israel’s Channel 13 on Tuesday that fellow female hostages were raped repeatedly by their Hamas captors in Gaza, and that her own captors threatened to forcibly “marry” her as well.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/16/freed-israeli-hostage-israel-women-are-being-raped-in-captivity/

Kill-Them-All.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 16, 2024, 09:00:56 pm
 Israel prepares for possibility that raped hostages could be impregnated by Hamas
By Social Links for Olivia Land
Published Jan. 16, 2024, 12:47 p.m. ET

Israeli physicians are preparing for the devastating possibility that some women being held hostage by Hamas may have been raped and impregnated by their captors.

Specialists and medical centers across Israel are holding internal discussions on how to approach the physical and emotional condition of female hostages who could be several weeks pregnant following the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas, the Hebrew publication Maariv reported

“I am uncertain how they will cope, but we must prepare now for this terrible theoretical possibility of a woman conceiving or raising such a child. Thus, we must stop this atrocity, not allow the captives to perish there, bring them back, and provide them with care,” Prof. Tal Biron-Shental, chair of obstetrics and gynecology at Meir Medical Center in Kfar Saba, told the outlet.

Depending on the circumstances of conception and the age of the mother, pregnant women in Israel can apply to terminate a pregnancy up until the moment of birth, according to the Ministry of Health.

While early-stage abortions involve expelling the pregnancy using oral medications, a later-term termination requires a higher-risk procedure to stop the fetus’ heart activity with a syringe, Maariv said.

more
https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/israel-prepares-for-possibility-that-raped-hostages-could-be-impregnated-by-hamas/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 16, 2024, 09:08:23 pm
Israel prepares for possibility that raped hostages could be impregnated by Hamas
By Social Links for Olivia Land
Published Jan. 16, 2024, 12:47 p.m. ET

Israeli physicians are preparing for the devastating possibility that some women being held hostage by Hamas may have been raped and impregnated by their captors.

Specialists and medical centers across Israel are holding internal discussions on how to approach the physical and emotional condition of female hostages who could be several weeks pregnant following the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas, the Hebrew publication Maariv reported

“I am uncertain how they will cope, but we must prepare now for this terrible theoretical possibility of a woman conceiving or raising such a child. Thus, we must stop this atrocity, not allow the captives to perish there, bring them back, and provide them with care,” Prof. Tal Biron-Shental, chair of obstetrics and gynecology at Meir Medical Center in Kfar Saba, told the outlet.

Depending on the circumstances of conception and the age of the mother, pregnant women in Israel can apply to terminate a pregnancy up until the moment of birth, according to the Ministry of Health.

While early-stage abortions involve expelling the pregnancy using oral medications, a later-term termination requires a higher-risk procedure to stop the fetus’ heart activity with a syringe, Maariv said.

more
https://nypost.com/2024/01/16/news/israel-prepares-for-possibility-that-raped-hostages-could-be-impregnated-by-hamas/


Horrific and horrific beyond words. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 16, 2024, 10:17:44 pm
DUH!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 17, 2024, 04:57:27 pm
Hamas is still holding Americans hostage. Biden, Blinken, et al., are silent.
https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1747663138919432319
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 17, 2024, 05:13:33 pm
Maybe FoxNews, OAN, NewsMax, etc., should start couting the number of days Americans have been held hostage by Hamas.

This is what help sink Jimmy Carter during the Iranian Hostage Crisis (1979-1981).

ABC Nightline was started during the Iranian Hostage Crisis to intially provide extra covergage in the days before 24 hour news networks.

Remind Americans and question Biden Admin about Americans held hostage by Hamas.

It's best to presume the hostages are dead, or are better off dead than being in continued Hamas captivity, and chase Hamas out of Gaza, all the way to Tehran.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 17, 2024, 05:27:43 pm
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Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 17, 2024, 05:53:40 pm
Maybe FoxNews, OAN, NewsMax, etc., should start couting the number of days Americans have been held hostage by Hamas.

This is what help sink Jimmy Carter during the Iranian Hostage Crisis (1979-1981).

ABC Nightline was started during the Iranian Hostage Crisis to intially provide extra covergage in the days before 24 hour news networks.

Remind Americans and question Biden Admin about Americans held hostage by Hamas.

It's best to presume the hostages are dead, or are better off dead than being in continued Hamas captivity, and chase Hamas out of Gaza, all the way to Tehran.

Today's Press would never do that again.  They value Democrats too much.  9999hair out0000
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 17, 2024, 05:58:56 pm
The Press values ratings and revenue above all else.

FoxNews could make the American hostages held by Hamas a bigger issue if they got their noses out of Trump's heinie.

How many more billions of dollars does FoxNews want to pay for drinking the Orange Kool-Aid?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 18, 2024, 02:06:12 am
Trey Yingst
@TreyYingst
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Keep an eye on Iran and Pakistan. The countries are on the brink of a serious escalation after Iran targeted Pakistan with missile/drone strikes on Tuesday. Iran says Jaish al-Adl militant positions were hit. Pakistan says two children were killed.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 18, 2024, 02:07:44 am
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US Central Command: At approximately 8:30pm Jan. 17, an assessed one-way attack UAS was launched from Houthi controlled areas in Yemen and struck M/V Genco Picardy in the Gulf of Aden. M/V Genco Picardy is a Marshall Islands flagged, U.S. owned and operated bulk carrier ship.



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#BREAKING: The U.S. conducted its fourth round of strikes against Houthi targets in Yemen in just under a week a short time ago after the Houthis continued targeting commercial vessels. The strikes targeted several sites that were prepared to launch attacks. (CBS)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 18, 2024, 02:09:25 am
https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1747781928202211692
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 18, 2024, 02:10:55 am
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1747797176497946698
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 18, 2024, 02:12:07 am
https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1747795020399145321
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 18, 2024, 02:16:39 am
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1747804345301684698
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on January 18, 2024, 01:25:40 pm
(https://media.gq.com/photos/558292541177d66d68d5485b/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/blogs-the-q-koppel%252520nightline.jpg)

He made his bones on that clown show.  Jimmy Carter hated that show!   lol

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 18, 2024, 02:16:22 pm
Surrender: Blinken Tells Netanyahu Israel Can’t Defeat Hamas

Joel B. Pollak 17 Jan 2024

Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last week that Israel cannot defeat Hamas — that there is no “military solution,” and that Israel will have to accept a Palestinian state.

Netanyahu reportedly rejected the idea.

NBC News reported Wednesday that Blinken, and Biden, are therefore trying to work around Netanyahu — the democratically-elected leader of Israel — in a departure from the Biden administration’s posture as the supposed defender of democratic ideals:

    Blinken told Netanyahu that ultimately there is no military solution to Hamas, according to the officials, and that the Israeli leader needs to recognize that or history will repeat itself and violence will continue. But, the officials said, Netanyahu was unmoved.

    The officials said the Biden administration is trying to lay the groundwork with other Israeli and civil society leaders in anticipation of an eventual post-Netanyahu government. In an attempt to work around Netanyahu, Blinken also met individually with members of his war Cabinet and other Israeli leaders, including opposition leader and former Prime Minister Yair Lapid, officials said.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/17/surrender-blinken-tells-netanyahu-israel-cant-defeat-hamas/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 18, 2024, 02:22:29 pm
Jean-Pierre: Israel Removed Some Troops from North Gaza Because of Biden’s Pressure, Lowered Intensity Like We Want

Ian Hanchett 17 Jan 2024

On Wednesday’s broadcast of CNN’s “Laura Coates Live,” White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre stated that U.S. officials have had talks with Israel “on them being really precise and more accurate” in their fight against Hamas and “they said that they’re going to lower their intensity of operation. They have. They’ve removed some troops out of the northern part of Gaza. That’s really important. A lot of that is because of what this President’s been doing.”

Jean-Pierre said, “Israel, obviously, is an ally, and it has been for some time. And…1,200 souls were massacred on October 7. And you have Hamas, which is a terrorist organization…leaders in that organization have said they will do October 7 over, over, and over again. And so, while we want to — obviously, we do not want one more life taken in Gaza, we do not want that as it relates to the Palestinian people. It is not something that the President wants. That’s why we’ve had these diplomatic conversations with Israel on them being really precise and more accurate on how their — what their actions, their operations, — and they’re — they said that they’re going to lower their intensity of operation. They have. They’ve removed some troops out of the northern part of Gaza. That’s really important. A lot of that is because of what this President’s been doing. But let’s not also forget there’s been humanitarian aid that’s been going into Gaza. And that is because of the leadership of this President. And so, we want to make sure that we’re getting that really important humanitarian aid, as I just mentioned, whether it’s water, medical assistance, medical aid into Gaza.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/01/17/jean-pierre-israel-removed-some-troops-from-north-gaza-because-of-bidens-pressure-lowered-intensity-like-we-want/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 18, 2024, 04:14:26 pm
Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last week that Israel cannot defeat Hamas — that there is no “military solution,” and that Israel will have to accept a Palestinian state.
What a jackass.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 18, 2024, 04:24:33 pm
Surrender: Blinken Tells Netanyahu Israel Can’t Defeat Hamas

Joel B. Pollak 17 Jan 2024

Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last week that Israel cannot defeat Hamas

Here's Blinken on the right wearing the French officer's hat.  Hamas is seated at the left.

(https://i.insider.com/5be470bd9e8c53780623265d)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 18, 2024, 04:32:43 pm
Gabby Deutch
@GSDeutch
Blinken today said that other times a 2-state solution was almost reached, the Palestinians weren't ready for peace. He seemed to say that now, they are. At Davos, he suggested that the Israelis aren't ready. "Is [Israel] prepared to have that mindset?" ...
https://twitter.com/GSDeutch/status/1747701846502744268
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 18, 2024, 04:43:35 pm
Iran's naked agression can't help but invite counter-strikes against Iran, overtly or covertly.

Iran's Axis of Resistance is being met with more resistance, this time from Pakistan:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/18/which-are-the-armed-groups-iran-and-pakistan-have-bombed-and (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/18/which-are-the-armed-groups-iran-and-pakistan-have-bombed-and)

EXPLAINER
News
Military

Which are the armed groups Iran and Pakistan have bombed — and why?

Iran’s air raids in Pakistan near border areas were part of Tehran’s unprecedented missile launches on three countries.

By Maziar Motamedi
Published On 18 Jan 202418 Jan 2024

Iran and Pakistan have carried out air attacks on each other’s territories, targeting armed groups near their 900km-long (559-mile) volatile border, which they say were meant to ensure their respective national security.

Iran’s powerful Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) targeted an armed group in Panjgur town of Pakistan’s Balochistan province late on Tuesday, prompting Pakistan to bomb hideouts of armed groups in the Sistan-Baluchestan province of Iran early on Thursday. ...
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 18, 2024, 04:44:30 pm
Noah Pollak
@NoahPollak
Just as a reminder, the position of the Biden administration is that the people who behead Israeli teenagers and store their severed heads in an ice cream freezer while they try to sell it for $10k deserve a state.
11:42 AM · Jan 17, 2024

Seth Mandel
@SethAMandel
My God.
"Three weeks ago, during the interrogation of two Hamas terrorists arrested in Israel, they confessed that one of them had attempted to sell my son's head for $10,000 in Gaza. The IDF then entered Gaza, searched an ice cream shop's freezer, and there, in a suitcase, they found my son's head, which had also been desecrated."
10:31 AM · Jan 17, 2024

https://twitter.com/HenMazzig/status/1747632383472402868
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on January 18, 2024, 05:43:14 pm
Surrender: Blinken Tells Netanyahu Israel Can’t Defeat Hamas

Joel B. Pollak 17 Jan 2024

Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last week that Israel cannot defeat Hamas — that there is no “military solution,” and that Israel will have to accept a Palestinian state.
...

Netanyahu: "Hold my bagel and watch!"
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on January 18, 2024, 05:44:38 pm
Gabby Deutch
@GSDeutch
Blinken today said that other times a 2-state solution was almost reached, the Palestinians weren't ready for peace. He seemed to say that now, they are. At Davos, he suggested that the Israelis aren't ready. "Is [Israel] prepared to have that mindset?" ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIBdVkJ9L-k
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 18, 2024, 05:58:00 pm
Netanyahu Issues Veiled Rebuke to Blinken: Israel Will Achieve ‘Complete Victory’

Joel B. Pollak 18 Jan 2024

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu issued a veiled rebuke to U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Thursday night, pushing back against Blinken’s claim that Israel could not defeat Hamas in Gaza, and that it should accept a Palestinian state.

Without naming Blinken specifically, Netanyahu criticized those who, he said wanted to tie Israel’s hands and said that Israel could not win.

On Wednesday, reports emerged that Blinken had told Netanyahu last week that Israel would not succeed in destroying Hamas’s military capabilities — an assertion at odds with Israel’s ongoing military success, and strong Israeli public support for the war. Blinken and the Biden administration also want Israel to accept a Palestinian state as a condition of peace.

At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Blinken told New York Times columnist Tom Friedman — a rabidly anti-Netanyahu opinion writer — that Israeli society, not the Arab nations, was the current obstacle to peace in the Middle East.

The reaction from the prime minister’s office was defiant.

more w/video
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/18/netanyahu-blinken-israel-victory/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 18, 2024, 06:01:50 pm
CNN airs Oct. 7 clip from Nir Oz showing ‘evidence of beheadings’ by Hamas

Wednesday, January 17, 2024
CNN airs Oct. 7 clip from Nir Oz showing ‘evidence of beheadings’ by Hamas
Today, 12:00 am

CNN airs footage from Hamas’s October 7 onslaught, saying it shows a terrorist “sawing at the necks of dead Israelis, evidence of beheadings.”

The US network says an unnamed Israeli source provided the CCTV footage from Kibbutz Nir Oz, which is censored and edited to highlight the use of the knife.

WARNING: GRAPHIC FOOTAGE

more w/video
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/cnn-airs-oct-7-clip-from-nir-oz-showing-evidence-of-beheadings-by-hamas/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 18, 2024, 06:06:36 pm
CNN airs Oct. 7 clip from Nir Oz showing ‘evidence of beheadings’ by Hamas

Wednesday, January 17, 2024
CNN airs Oct. 7 clip from Nir Oz showing ‘evidence of beheadings’ by Hamas
Today, 12:00 am

CNN airs footage from Hamas’s October 7 onslaught, saying it shows a terrorist “sawing at the necks of dead Israelis, evidence of beheadings.”

The US network says an unnamed Israeli source provided the CCTV footage from Kibbutz Nir Oz, which is censored and edited to highlight the use of the knife.

WARNING: GRAPHIC FOOTAGE

more w/video
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/cnn-airs-oct-7-clip-from-nir-oz-showing-evidence-of-beheadings-by-hamas/

I haven't watched it; I don't think I can handle it without it being etched in my mind for a long time. It sickens me just reading about it.  I am very, very glad though that the horrific atrocities are being exposed. Perhaps it will shed some light in the eyes of the pro-Hamas individuals and groups.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 18, 2024, 06:22:19 pm
Complete victory is firebombing Tehran and eliminating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 18, 2024, 06:24:50 pm
Complete victory is firebombing Tehran and eliminating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

Yup.  This has been the case since 1979.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on January 19, 2024, 02:01:30 pm
Israel Destroys Hamas’s Main Weapons Manufacturing Site, Uncovers New Vast Tunnel Network

Legal Insurrection by Vijeta Uniyal Thursday, January 18, 2024

The IDF: Destroyed Hamas weapons factories were “connected to a tunnel route hundreds of kilometers long.”

The Israeli military dealt a major blow on Thursday to the terror group Hamas by destroying its main weapons manufacturing site in Gaza.

This vast web of rocket and weapons manufacturing factories, hidden inside civilian buildings in central Gaza, was connected through a massive network of underground tunnels. The dozens of terrorist-run factories were “connected to a tunnel route hundreds of kilometers long,” the Israel Defense Forces revealed Thursday.

These tunnels were being used to supply weapons and ammunition to Hamas’s terrorist fighting force across Gaza. “Using the tunnel network, weapons were transported throughout the Gaza Strip,” the Israeli military said.

The IDF revealed the details of the operation in a statement on Thursday evening:

The 36th Division, in cooperation with soldiers of the Yahalom and Shaldag units, exposed and destroyed the heart of Hamas’ weapons manufacturing industry near the Salah Al-Din Road in the Gaza Strip. The area consists of weapons factories and lathes, both above and below ground, that were used to produce ammunition and weapons for Hamas operatives.

The soldiers located dozens of tunnel shafts connected to a tunnel route hundreds of kilometers long, including a tunnel shaft in the residence of a senior official in Hamas’ weapons production unit. The tunnels were divided into areas used for the production of rockets and weapons. Using the tunnel network, weapons were transported throughout the Gaza Strip.

More: https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/01/israel-destroys-hamass-main-weapons-manufacturing-site-uncovers-new-vast-tunnel-network/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/01/israel-destroys-hamass-main-weapons-manufacturing-site-uncovers-new-vast-tunnel-network/)

Aviva Klompas
@AvivaKlompas
The IDF says it has completed demolishing Hamas’s main rocket and weapons manufacturing  zone in central Gaza.

It also located a tunnel route stretching hundreds of kilometers. Using the tunnel network, weapons were transported throughout the Gaza Strip.

https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1748015445662159346 (https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1748015445662159346)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: jafo2010 on January 19, 2024, 08:42:59 pm
Biden has surrounded himself with folks dumber than himself.  Blinken could not be dumber if he tried.  Utterly clueless.

The Biden Idiocracy continues in its terror of destroying the USA in every way possible, while causing global chaos.  Biden is such a weak POS that all the bad players think they have the freedom to do as they please, and they are.

Biden has funded terror in the Middle East, and thousands have died because of his incompetence.

The thought he might get another four more years is almost incomprehensible. 

Netanyahu must stay focused on destroying HAMAS and ideally leave Gaza in complete ruins, and leave it uninhabitable.  Listening to Blinken or Biden is pure folly for Israel.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 19, 2024, 08:44:19 pm
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1748438910080795103
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 19, 2024, 09:38:45 pm
“There is a not an UNRWA site, school, mosque, or kindergarten in which we didn’t find weapons. None.”
https://twitter.com/JoshKraushaar/status/1748351416098304370
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 20, 2024, 01:41:06 am
 Biden: Netanyahu could change mind on opposition to two-state solution
by Steff Danielle Thomas - 01/19/24 7:34 PM ET

President Biden suggested Friday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu could come around to a two-state solution with Palestine if given the “right” terms.

Asked by NBC News if he believed Netanyahu would change his mind on a pathway for Palestine to gain autonomy, he said, “Yes, given the right one.”

His comments come after the Israeli prime minister rejected the U.S. and Arab nations in the region to consider establishing a Palestinian state after the war between Israel and the militant group Hamas ends.

“In any future arrangement … Israel needs security control over all territory west of the Jordan,” Netanyahu said Thursday. “This collides with the idea of sovereignty. What can you do?”

In response, White House national security spokesman John Kirby claimed it wasn’t a new comment from the prime minister, but “we obviously see it differently.”

“We believe that the Palestinians have every right to live in an independent state with peace and security,” Kirby said. “And the president and his team is going to continue to work on that.”

more
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4418837-biden-netanyahu-opposition-two-state-solution-israel-palestine/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 20, 2024, 01:53:38 am
Biden: Netanyahu could change mind on opposition to two-state solution
by Steff Danielle Thomas - 01/19/24 7:34 PM ET

President Biden suggested Friday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu could come around to a two-state solution with Palestine if given the “right” terms.

Asked by NBC News if he believed Netanyahu would change his mind on a pathway for Palestine to gain autonomy, he said, “Yes, given the right one.”

Where in the hell has this dumb-ass been for the last fifty years?  Talk about clueless.  A political career spanning half a century, and not a single time he was right about foreign policy.  Not a single time.

Joe, do us all a favor and STFU.  And the same goes for that idiot Blinken.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 20, 2024, 02:48:48 pm
AG
@AGHamilton29
Washington Post: No evidence Hamas was using Gaza hospitals as bases for military activity.
Almost every hostage released by Hamas: We were held at gunpoint at a hospital for weeks at a time.
Acting like stenographers for a terrorist organization is not journalism.
8:44 AM · Jan 20, 2024
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 21, 2024, 02:48:05 pm
Biden Finally Talks to Netanyahu Again. It Doesn't Go Well
Jazz Shaw 5:30 PM on January 20, 2024

Yesterday, Joe Biden had a phone call with Bibi Netanyahu. In more normal times, such a call between the leaders of closely allied nations would be nothing unusual, particularly when one of them is in the midst of a brutal war against a terrorist regime. But believe it or not, despite all of the visits to Israel by Tony Blinken and others, it had been four weeks since Biden and Netanyahu had spoken directly. We don’t have a transcript of the call, but based on the reporting of the Associated Press, there is a lot more “strain” in the relationship at the moment so it wasn’t all sunshine and roses.

    President Joe Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu finally spoke Friday after a glaring, nearly four-week gap in direct communication during which fundamental differences have come into focus over a possible pathway to Palestinian statehood once the fighting in Gaza ends.

    Biden and his top aides have all but smothered Netanyahu with robust support, even in the face of global condemnation over the mounting civilian death toll and humanitarian suffering in Gaza as the Israelis have carried out military operations in the aftermath of the Oct. 7 attack on Israel.

    But the leaders’ relationship has increasingly shown signs of strain as Netanyahu has repeatedly rebuffed Biden’s calls for Palestinian sovereignty, gumming up what the U.S. president believes is the key to unlocking a durable peace in the Middle East — the oft-cited, elusive two-state solution.

At least for the moment, Joe Biden continues to support Israel publicly in their war against Hamas, though he has been urging more “restraint” in terms of minimizing Palestinian casualties and ensuring a steady flow of aid into Gaza. But now the disagreement between the two leaders is reportedly centered not on the war itself, but what comes after. Joe Biden has jumped on the bandwagon of people calling for an independent Palestinian state.

more
https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2024/01/20/biden-finally-talks-to-netanyahu-again-it-doesnt-go-well-n606261
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 21, 2024, 03:09:38 pm
Biden Finally Talks to Netanyahu Again. It Doesn't Go Well
I just can't picture this.

Joe (holding phone upside down): Who is this?

B.N.: Mr. President, are you there? It's Benjamin Netanyahu.

Joe: Yahoo? What? Who?

B.N.: Prime Minister of Israel.

Joe: Israel? That's Jewish, right? I spent my entire childhood back in Delaware in a synagogue. Every day, right after school. Did you know I like bagels?

B.N.: We have to talk about Hamas.

Joe: No, not hummus. Too tangy. I just put peanut butter on them, and hope it doesn't pull out my dentures.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on January 21, 2024, 03:19:56 pm
  :silly:    @mountaineer
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 21, 2024, 03:33:13 pm
The last time they spoke on the phone, Slo Joe hung up on Bibi.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on January 21, 2024, 03:46:17 pm
I just can't picture this.

Joe (holding phone upside down): Who is this?

B.N.: Mr. President, are you there? It's Benjamin Netanyahu.

Joe: Yahoo? What? Who?

B.N.: Prime Minister of Israel.

Joe: Israel? That's Jewish, right? I spent my entire childhood back in Delaware in a synagogue. Every day, right after school. Did you know I like bagels?

B.N.: We have to talk about Hamas.

Joe: No, not hummus. Too tangy. I just put peanut butter on them, and hope it doesn't pull out my dentures.

Top Notch!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 21, 2024, 03:50:11 pm
Biden Admin, Qatar, Egypt Propose Hostage Deal Where Israel Loses War

The U.S., Qatar, and Egypt have reportedly proposed a deal in which Hamas would free the remaining 136 Israeli hostages (or their bodies) in exchange for Israel withdrawing from Gaza and ending the war without destroying the terrorist organization.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/21/biden-admin-qatar-egypt-propose-hostage-deal-where-israel-loses-war/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 21, 2024, 03:53:54 pm
Biden Admin, Qatar, Egypt Propose Hostage Deal Where Israel Loses War
9999hair out0000
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 21, 2024, 10:42:10 pm
Netanyahu Rejects Biden Surrender Plan

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu firmly rejected a Biden administration-backed plan Sunday to end the war in Gaza, with Hamas still holding onto its weapons and power, in exchange for the staged release of the remaining 136 Israeli hostages.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/21/netanyahu-rejects-biden-surrender-plan/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 21, 2024, 10:51:52 pm
Netanyahu Rejects Biden Surrender Plan

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu firmly rejected a Biden administration-backed plan Sunday to end the war in Gaza, with Hamas still holding onto its weapons and power, in exchange for the staged release of the remaining 136 Israeli hostages.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/21/netanyahu-rejects-biden-surrender-plan/

As well he should.  He never trusted Biden, hasn't for many years, if at all.  I don't think Bebe trusts much of anyone.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2024, 12:49:30 am
 Israeli airstrike takes out Hezbollah member in Lebanon in apparent shift to targeted killings
By Associated Press   
Published Jan. 21, 2024
Updated Jan. 21, 2024, 4:13 p.m. ET

SIDON, Lebanon — An Israeli airstrike hit two vehicles near a Lebanese army checkpoint in south Lebanon on Sunday, killing a Hezbollah member and wounding several other people, including civilians, Lebanese state media and health officials reported.

The strike appeared to be part of a shift in Israeli strategy toward targeted killings in Lebanon after more than three months of near-daily clashes with Hezbollah militants on the border against the backdrop of the war in Gaza.

Hezbollah announced that one of its members, identified as Fadel Shaar, had been killed in the strike in the town of Kafra. Local civil defense and hospital officials said seven people were wounded, including two women, one of whom was in critical condition.

Video from the scene showed a passenger sedan in flames next to a small truck stopped in the middle of the road.

The Israeli military did not comment on the strike.

more
https://nypost.com/2024/01/21/news/israeli-airstrike-takes-out-hezbollah-member-in-lebanon-in-apparent-shift-to-targeted-killings/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 22, 2024, 02:05:06 am
I just can't picture this.

Joe (holding phone upside down): Who is this?

B.N.: Mr. President, are you there? It's Benjamin Netanyahu.

Joe: Yahoo? What? Who?

B.N.: Prime Minister of Israel.

Joe: Israel? That's Jewish, right? I spent my entire childhood back in Delaware in a synagogue. Every day, right after school. Did you know I like bagels?

B.N.: We have to talk about Hamas.

Joe: No, not hummus. Too tangy. I just put peanut butter on them, and hope it doesn't pull out my dentures.

 :rolling:  :yowsa:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on January 22, 2024, 02:07:20 am
As well he should.  He never trusted Biden, hasn't for many years, if at all.  I don't think Bebe trusts much of anyone.

Agreed.

My insistence is what has prevented – over the years – the establishment of a Palestinian state that would have constituted an existential danger to Israel. As long as I am Prime Minister, I will continue to strongly insist on this. If someone has a different position, they should show leadership and candidly state their position to the citizens of Israel.”
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2024, 02:34:33 pm
Israel-Gaza live updates: Hostage families storm Israeli parliament in protest

"You will not sit here while our children die," some relatives yelled.
By ABC NEWS
Last Updated: January 22, 2024, 6:08 AM

Relatives of Israeli hostages being held by militants in the Gaza Strip stormed Israel's parliament, the Knesset, in Jerusalem on Monday in protest of the government's failure to bring their loved ones home.

"You will not sit here while our children die," some of the family members yelled while disrupting a finance committee hearing. "What about ransoming captives?"

-ABC News' Jordana Miller, Dana Savir and Morgan Winsor

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https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/israel-gaza-hamas-war/?id=106553905
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2024, 03:54:06 pm
Israel-Gaza war
Hamas official says ‘no chance’ hostages will return to Israel after Netanyahu rejects deal

The prime minister said he rejected the terms of a deal which included Israel’s complete withdrawal from Gaza

Guardian staff and agencies
Sun 21 Jan 2024 21.04 EST
Last modified on Mon 22 Jan 2024 08.34 EST

The prospect of a deal to release the remaining hostages held by Hamas appeared to recede on Sunday after a Hamas official said Benjamin Netanyahu’s rejection of their conditions meant there was “no chance” of their return.

Netanyahu had earlier dismissed the militant group’s conditions to end the war, which he said included leaving Hamas in power and Israel’s complete withdrawal from the territory.

A Hamas official, Sami Abu Zuhri, told Reuters the Israeli prime minister’s refusal to end the military offensive in Gaza “means there is no chance for the return of the [Israeli] captives”, which are estimated to be 130 in number.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/22/israel-gaza-war-hamas-hostages-release-benjamin-netanyahu-rejects-deal
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2024, 04:18:33 pm
Wow: EU Passes Gaza Ceasefire Resolution, and it's Surprisingly Reasonable

Guy Benson
 |  January 22, 2024 10:05 AM


In light of the craven, disgraceful conduct of much of the vaunted 'international community' in the aftermath of Hamas' massacre on October 7th, one might be forgiven for glancing at a headline about a formal 'ceasefire' demand from the European Union and automatically assuming it probably amounts to another anti-Israel, effectively pro-Hamas declaration from a major global institution.  Refreshingly, that assumption would be incorrect in this case, even if it's understandable.  In a vote late last week, the European Parliament overwhelmingly passed a resolution calling for a ceasefire in the Gaza conflict -- but not without significant conditions being met first.  It was contingent on two critical factors:

In a resolution that showed significant support for Israel, the European Parliament calls for a permanent ceasefire after all hostages are “immediately and unconditionally released” and “the terrorist organization Hamas is dismantled.” The resolution was adopted by 312 votes in favor, 131 against and 72 abstentions. At the same time, the MEPs denounce “the disproportionate Israeli military response, which has caused a civilian death toll on an unprecedented scale.”  They also call for full humanitarian access throughout the Gaza Strip, and for a “European initiative to put the two-state solution back on track.” They also back the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative. The MEPs say that the “occupation of the Palestinian territories” must end, while calling for terrorists to be held to account.

Some of the other items in this resolution, described above, range from unrealistic to objectionable.  European armchair quarterbacks have no business telling Israel what would constitute a "proportional" response to 1,200 civilians being brutally murdered.  Indeed, in order to eradicate Hamas, a light touch simply was not possible.  As for "occupation," Gaza hasn't been occupied since Israel fully returned it to the Palestinians in 2005, going so far as forcibly removing Israeli citizens from their homes in the territory.  Israel was rewarded for this gesture with years of endless terrorist attacks from Hamas, which took over Gaza shortly thereafter.  Finally, a two-state solution is an admirable goal, but it's totally untenable under the current circumstances.  Israel has offered Palestinian leaders numerous, generous peace deals that would have resulted in Palestinian statehood.  Every offer has been rejected.  Israel does not have a viable peace parter with which to negotiate right now.  All the Palestinians have to do is lay down their arms and acknowledge Israel's right to co-exist.  They refuse to do either. 

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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2024/01/22/the-eu-passed-a-gaza-ceasefire-resolution-and-its-surprisingly-reasonable-n2633949

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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 22, 2024, 04:18:40 pm
Israel should presume that the hostages are already lost, and rain fire and brimstone down upon Gaza.  Once that flank is more secure, they can go after Hezbollah and Iran with full gusto.
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Post by: GtHawk on January 22, 2024, 04:41:33 pm
Israel should presume that the hostages are already lost, and rain fire and brimstone down upon Gaza.  Once that flank is more secure, they can go after Hezbollah and Iran with full gusto.
I truly understand these families anguish over their loved ones but as you say they are probably already dead and the leadership needs to think about the safety of all the people of Israel, not just the hostages. I doubt I could be that rational though if it were my loved ones held by the scum.
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Post by: ChemEngrMBA on January 22, 2024, 05:17:46 pm
All Muslims/Arabs must leave Gaza Strip and West Bank.  It's the only sane way to stop the insanity.
They can live in Jordan, in Syria, in UAE, in Saudi Arabia, in Qatar, in Egypt, in Sudan, in Somalia, in Yemen,
in Iran, in Iraq, or in beautiful Afghanistan.
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Post by: mountaineer on January 22, 2024, 07:58:16 pm
Muslim British medical doctor defends what Hamas did on Oct. 7:
https://twitter.com/MOSSADil/status/1749091209572741615
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 22, 2024, 08:07:26 pm
I don't remember the "resisters" at Concord's Old North Bridge murdering British babies on April 19, 1775.

A 2-state solution in Palestine is a lost cause.

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Do the people of Britain sleep well at night knowing their doctors could put suicide bombs inside their colons during colonoscopies?

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Post by: mystery-ak on January 22, 2024, 09:40:56 pm
 Israel proposes 2-month truce in exchange for freeing all the hostages: report
By Social Links for Ronny Reyes
Published Jan. 22, 2024, 3:52 p.m. ET

Israeli leaders have proposed a cease-fire of up to two months in exchange for the release of all the hostages in Gaza, officials said Monday.

After heated meetings over the Israel-Hamas conflict and hostage situation, the Jewish country’s war cabinet approved a new plan coordinated with Qatari and Egyptian negotiators that could see the more than 130 hostages held by Hamas released, two Israeli officials close to the talks told Axios.

The hostage deal would see all the women and men who are over 60 years old and who are in critical condition or have severe health problems released first.

The next phase would free the hostages who are not affiliated with the Israel Defense Forces. After that, Hamas would release Israeli soldiers, as well as the bodies of hostages who died in captivity, the officials said.

In exchange for freeing the hostages, Israeli officials would agree to release Palestinian prisoners in its jails, with separate negotiations scheduled on who would be allowed to walk free.

In previous deals brokered by Qatar, Israel agreed to free three prisoners for every hostage released.   

But major hurdles remain to seal the deal.

The proposed plan emphasizes that the cease-fire would be only temporary, with the IDF set to be deployed away from the Gaza Strip’s largest cities so as to allow Palestinians to return to their homes.

Once the exchange is complete, the war will resume, the Israeli officials said.

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https://nypost.com/2024/01/22/news/israel-proposes-2-month-truce-in-exchange-for-freeing-all-of-the-hostages-report/
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 23, 2024, 03:04:47 pm
Twenty-one Israeli Reservists Killed; Highest Single-Day Total Since Start of Invasion

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said early Tuesday local time that ten soldiers had been killed in the central Gaza Strip when Hamas terrorists fired rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) at soldiers in buildings that were being prepared for demolition.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/22/21-israeli-soldiers-killed-highest-single-day-total-since-start-of-invasion/
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 23, 2024, 03:40:55 pm
‘No Chance’ Hostages Will Be Freed, Hamas Says


Reuters and Washington Free Beacon Staff   
January 22, 2024

A senior Hamas official said Sunday that there is "no chance" the terror group will free the remaining hostages it took during its Oct. 7 terror attacks.

As Israeli planes resumed bombing Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip, senior Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri told Reuters that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's refusal to end the military offensive in Gaza "means there is no chance for the return of the [Israeli] captives."

His comment came after Netanyahu rejected the group's terms for the release of hostages and an end to the war, which included Israel's withdrawal from Gaza and leaving the group in power in the enclave.

"In exchange for the release of our hostages, Hamas demands the end of the war, the withdrawal of our forces from Gaza, the release of all the murderers and rapists," Netanyahu said in a statement. "And leaving Hamas intact."

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https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/no-chance-hostages-will-be-freed-hamas-says/
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 23, 2024, 04:45:17 pm
Once again, Hamas saves Israel from itself, and Sloe Joe Biteme.
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Post by: rangerrebew on January 23, 2024, 04:47:23 pm
Biden Threatens Netanyahu's Drive to Destroy Hamas
by Con Coughlin
January 22, 2024 at 5:00 am

 
The Israeli premier has also reiterated his long-standing opposition to the creation of a Palestinian state, which he insists would become a launching pad for attacks on Israel.

Israel's efforts to achieve its goal of destroying Hamas, though, are at serious risk of being undermined by the Biden administration's growing hostility towards Netanyahu's government.

There are credible indications, moreover, that the Biden administration's hostility towards Netanyahu has led it to work with senior figures within Israel's security establishment, which is known to have a difficult relationship with the Israeli premier, to remove his government from power.

[T]he Palestinian leadership has always been just as deeply and outspokenly committed to the destruction of Israel as Hamas is.

Instead of trying to overthrow the Netanyahu government, the Biden administration would be better advised to grasp the vital strategic consideration that defeating Hamas is as much in the interests of the US as it is for Israel.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20323/biden-threatens-netanyahu-drive
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 23, 2024, 05:46:00 pm
Netanyahu needs to go, but, the drive to eradicate Hamas, and Iran's other proxies, needs to continue.

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If only Boston has used Hamas, instead of Bechtel, for the Big Dig, we wouldn't have a $20 Billion leaky tunnel that occasionally kills people.

Gaza may not have food, medicine, hospitals, schools, or a future, but they have great tunnels and lots of rockets.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 23, 2024, 06:17:45 pm
Freed Hostages: Hamas is Dressing Israeli Women as Dolls and Abusing Them

Joel B. Pollak 23 Jan 2024

Freed Israeli hostages told the Israeli parliament, or Knesset, this week about the sexual abuse committed by Hamas terrorists against both male and female hostages in Gaza, according to Israeli government spokesman Eylon Levy in a briefing on Tuesday.

Levy quoted former hostage Chen Goldstein-Almog, 48, who told the Knesset that some female hostages had stopped having their periods in captivity — which, she said, she hoped was a physical defense against becoming pregnant from rape by their captors.

Others reportedly had added that Hamas terrorists were also dressing female hostages as dolls in order to abuse them in sadistic ways. And they said that male hostages were also being sexually abused and raped.

The Times of Israel reported:

    “I saw it with my own eyes,” said former hostage Aviva Siegel, who was abducted from Kibbutrz Kfar Aza with her husband Keith on October 7 and released during a ceasefire in late November.

    “I felt as if the girls in captivity were my daughters. The terrorists bring inappropriate clothes, clothes for dolls and turn the girls into their dolls. Dolls on a string with which you can do whatever you want, whenever you want,” she told a meeting of the newly established Knesset caucus on victims of sexual and gender violence in the war against Hamas.

    …

    Some of the women who remain in Gaza have stopped getting their periods, Chen Goldstein Almog, who was released alongside three of her four children during the ceasefire, said during Tuesday’s hearing.

morehttps://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/23/freed-hostages-hamas-is-dressing-israeli-women-as-dolls-and-abusing-them/
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Post by: mountaineer on January 23, 2024, 06:42:13 pm
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Others reportedly had added that Hamas terrorists were also dressing female hostages as dolls in order to abuse them in sadistic ways. And they said that male hostages were also being sexually abused and raped.
This is why the entirely of Gaza should be carpet bombed. No survivors.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 24, 2024, 06:52:46 pm
 44 House Democrats express support for 2-state solution after Gaza war
by Elizabeth Crisp - 01/24/24 12:54 PM ET

Nearly four dozen House Democrats have signed onto a letter calling for a two-state solution to resolve the long-standing conflict between Israelis and Palestinians as war rages in Gaza.

The letter, led by Reps. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-Ill.) and Jim Himes (D-Conn.), described the two-state proposal that would designate Israel and Palestine as separate entities as “the only viable path for a sustainable peace between the Israeli and Palestinian people.”

The lawmakers urged President Biden in the letter to provide more details about his administration’s “strategy to bring peace to a decades-long conflict.”

“We will continue to stand firm in our support for both the Israeli and Palestinian people’s right to exist with dignity, peace and security,” they wrote. “The Israeli and Palestinian people deserve and require nothing less after decades of violence.”

Though Biden supports a two-state solution, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has rejected calls to open a path for a Palestinian state.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4426627-israel-gaza-two-state-solution-house-democrats/
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Post by: PeteS in CA on January 24, 2024, 08:55:34 pm
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Though Biden supports a two-state solution, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has rejected calls to open a path for a Palestinian state.

In real life it is the Arab Palis who, for decades have rejected the two-state solution delusion. The Hill is, unsurprisingly, flacking for LIEden and blood-libeling Israel.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 24, 2024, 11:54:01 pm
 Israeli hostages impregnated by Hamas rapists will decide whether to keep babies upon release
By Social Links for Snejana Farberov
Published Jan. 24, 2024, 3:54 p.m. ET

Any Israeli hostages who have gotten pregnant from being raped by their Hamas captors in Gaza will have to decide whether to keep their baby or terminate the pregnancy upon their release, according to a new report.

Officials with Israel’s Ministries of Welfare and Health are drawing up detailed plans to deal with the possibility of unwanted pregnancies in women who were kidnapped by terrorists after the deadly Oct. 7 attacks, reported the local news outlet Walla!.

In Israel, a pregnancy termination committee typically determines whether to grant an abortion request — but officials are considering bypassing that step to reduce the red tape in the cases of any pregnant former captives.

More than 130 Israelis still remain in the clutches of Hamas after nearly four months, including young women and teenage girls, with preliminary information suggesting that some have been subjected to sexual abuse, both during the initial onslaught — as seen in gruesome videos circulating online — and in captivity.

Civilian authorities, assisted by the Israel Defense Forces, are creating a program that will coordinate all available resources for treating sexually abused hostages — including women at different stages of pregnancy — who will receive medical and psychological help.

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https://nypost.com/2024/01/24/news/pregnant-hamas-hostages-will-be-offered-abortion/
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Post by: libertybele on January 25, 2024, 01:52:52 am
Israeli hostages impregnated by Hamas rapists will decide whether to keep babies upon release
By Social Links for Snejana Farberov
Published Jan. 24, 2024, 3:54 p.m. ET

Any Israeli hostages who have gotten pregnant from being raped by their Hamas captors in Gaza will have to decide whether to keep their baby or terminate the pregnancy upon their release, according to a new report.

Officials with Israel’s Ministries of Welfare and Health are drawing up detailed plans to deal with the possibility of unwanted pregnancies in women who were kidnapped by terrorists after the deadly Oct. 7 attacks, reported the local news outlet Walla!.

In Israel, a pregnancy termination committee typically determines whether to grant an abortion request — but officials are considering bypassing that step to reduce the red tape in the cases of any pregnant former captives.

More than 130 Israelis still remain in the clutches of Hamas after nearly four months, including young women and teenage girls, with preliminary information suggesting that some have been subjected to sexual abuse, both during the initial onslaught — as seen in gruesome videos circulating online — and in captivity.

Civilian authorities, assisted by the Israel Defense Forces, are creating a program that will coordinate all available resources for treating sexually abused hostages — including women at different stages of pregnancy — who will receive medical and psychological help.

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https://nypost.com/2024/01/24/news/pregnant-hamas-hostages-will-be-offered-abortion/

Medical and psychological help -- being repeatedly raped and abused and impregnated -- how absolutely horrific.  The child would be 1/2 Hamas/Pali.  These women would be dealing with the aftermath forever; both psychologically and physically.
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Post by: GtHawk on January 25, 2024, 04:06:21 am
Medical and psychological help -- being repeatedly raped and abused and impregnated -- how absolutely horrific.  The child would be 1/2 Hamas/Pali genetic monster.  These women would be dealing with the aftermath forever; both psychologically and physically.
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Post by: mountaineer on January 25, 2024, 12:44:11 pm
A lonely voice of reason, Argentina 🇦🇷 is appalled that UN Security Council still won't condemn Hamas — "the root cause of the humanitarian crisis."
https://twitter.com/daniel_c_roth/status/1750341682162286983
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 25, 2024, 02:02:32 pm
White House: Israel Has ‘to Be More Careful’ to Ensure Civilian Areas Hamas Hides in Aren’t ‘Scenes of Battle’

On Wednesday’s broadcast of “CNN News Central,” White House National Security Council Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby stated that Hamas does hide in hospitals and residential areas and Israel has the right to go after Hamas wherever they hide, but Israel also has “a special burden to be mindful of civilian infrastructure, particularly, hospitals and residential complexes like that, where we don’t want to see them become scenes of battle. So, nobody wants to see fighting in a hospital. So, it does add an extra burden on the Israelis to be more careful, more deliberate.”

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https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/01/25/white-house-israel-has-to-be-more-careful-to-ensure-civilian-areas-hamas-hides-in-arent-scenes-of-battle/
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Post by: 240B on January 25, 2024, 09:08:06 pm
This is true. If you could go back in time. If you would have warned Israel of what was coming. NO Shit ... they would have arrested you. You would be sitting in jail.

Israel was so secure in their own minds in their own 'pure intentions' that they considered anyone warning them of the Arab's intentions as a lunatic.

They said, "Nobody would ever do that to us." That is how they thought. To warn them was to shake their mental mindset.


And you then become the criminal. That is how blind and naïve (stupid) these people had become.
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Post by: PeteS in CA on January 25, 2024, 11:57:34 pm
White House: Israel Has ‘to Be More Careful’ to Ensure Civilian Areas Hamas Hides in Aren’t ‘Scenes of Battle’
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More LIEden Blood Libel.
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 26, 2024, 03:32:00 pm
Biden Tells Netanyahu to Throw in the Towel, and Its Shockingly Revealing
Bonchie


President Joe Biden recently met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and the exchange was incredibly revealing.

While it didn't reveal anything about Israel's resolve to take out Hamas, the terrorist government of Gaza that massacred over a thousand people on October 7th, breaking a long-running ceasefire, what it did do is show where Biden's motivations truly lie. In short, it's not pretty or reassuring.

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    President Biden last week pressed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to scale down the Israeli military operation in Gaza, stressing he is not in it for a year of war, two U.S. officials told Axios.

    Why it matters: Biden's comments during the two leaders' call last Friday reflect the growing U.S. concern about the continuation of the war and the president's desire to see it end long before the November elections.

    A Biden adviser told Axios the White House is very concerned about losing young voters, many of whom are opposed to the president's policy on the Gaza war.

That is a shocking admittance of what is actually driving American foreign policy under the current administration. It's not a desire to do what is right in support of allies. It's not even a desire to execute a long-term security strategy that benefits the United States, of which the elimination of Hamas as a destablizing force in the Middle East clearly would. Rather, every position that is being taken is being taken for political reasons.

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https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/01/26/biden-tells-netanyahu-to-throw-in-the-towel-and-its-incredibly-revealing-n2169238
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 26, 2024, 06:16:48 pm
 UNRWA fires 12 staffers who allegedly took part in October 7 Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel, US cuts funding
By Social Links for Emily Crane and
Social Links for Josh Christenson
Published Jan. 26, 2024, 11:20 a.m. ET

The United Nations organization for Palestinian refugees has fired a dozen staffers over claims they took part in the Oct. 7 Hamas terror attacks on Israel, the agency said Friday.

Israeli authorities handed over the information alleging that 12 United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) employees were involved in the murderous rampage in southern Israel, the agency’s Commissioner-General, Philippe Lazzarini, said.

“To protect the agency’s ability to deliver humanitarian assistance, I have taken the decision to immediately terminate the contracts of these staff members and launch an investigation in order to establish the truth without delay.”

The US immediately cut funding to the agency in the wake of the allegations surfacing, the State Department said – marking a significant reversal from the Biden administration’s strong support for UNRWA.

“The United States is extremely troubled by the allegations that 12 UNRWA employees may have been involved in the October 7 Hamas terrorist attack on Israel,” the department’s statement said.

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https://nypost.com/2024/01/26/news/un-fires-staffers-who-allegedly-took-part-in-october-7-hamas-terrorist-attacks-on-israel/
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Post by: PeteS in CA on January 26, 2024, 06:35:20 pm
UNRWA fires 12 staffers who allegedly took part in October 7 Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel, US cuts funding
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Israeli authorities handed over the information alleging that 12 United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) employees were involved in the murderous rampage in southern Israel, the agency’s Commissioner-General, Philippe Lazzarini, said.
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The UN fired them for getting caught! Not for what they did. If the UN fired UNRWA employees for anti-Semitic crap they do, UNRA wouldn't even have janitors to do the final trash-can-emptying before closing the vacated facilities.
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Post by: mountaineer on January 26, 2024, 06:45:44 pm
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The US immediately cut funding to the agency in the wake of the allegations surfacing, the State Department said – marking a significant reversal from the Biden administration’s strong support for UNRWA.
Well, color me shocked.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on January 26, 2024, 07:40:35 pm
UNRWA fires 12 staffers who allegedly took part in October 7 Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel, US cuts funding
...
The US immediately cut funding to the agency in the wake of the allegations surfacing, the State Department said – marking a significant reversal from the Biden administration’s strong support for UNRWA.
...

Gee, maybe Trump was right when he cut UNRWA funding back in 2018, and LIEden should not have reversed Trump's action! https://www.brookings.edu/articles/in-one-move-trump-eliminated-us-funding-for-unrwa-and-the-us-role-as-mideast-peacemaker/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on January 26, 2024, 08:44:36 pm
Gee, maybe Trump was right when he cut UNRWA funding back in 2018, and LIEden should not have reversed Trump's action! https://www.brookings.edu/articles/in-one-move-trump-eliminated-us-funding-for-unrwa-and-the-us-role-as-mideast-peacemaker/

Cutting it to $0.00 sounds about right to me!
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Post by: mystery-ak on January 26, 2024, 09:29:44 pm
https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1750888029760205146
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 26, 2024, 09:31:31 pm
Hamas Releases Propaganda Video of 3 Female Israeli Hostages

Joel B. Pollak26 Jan 2024
2:39

The Palestinian terror group Hamas released a new propaganda video on Friday showing three female Israeli hostages, each saying that their lives were in danger from the Israeli military — not from Hamas — and urging Israel’s leaders to stop the war.

Two Israeli soldiers — 19-year-old Karina Ariev and 19-year-old Daniella Gilboa — and 30-year-old civilian Doron Steinbrecher from Kibbutz Kfar Aza are shown in the video repeating similar messages, almost word-for-word, and sometimes in unison.

The three women claim, evidently under duress, that Israeli bombs and tank shells are endangering their lives, and that they must be brought home before it is too late. The video adds sound effects of bombing, and an image of the three women in an hourglass.

Hamas appears to have misread the Israeli public: though the video correctly refers to protests in the street in favor of a hostage deal, the scriptwriters also had the hostages accuse the Israeli military of murdering them — something no Israeli would likely say.

The hostage video was released as the International Court of Justice (ICJ) declined to call for a ceasefire, and as talks on a hostage deal — including the U.S. CIA, Qatar, and Egypt — stalled. Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire; Israel wants to destroy Hamas.

Some 20 women are among the 130 or so remaining hostages in Gaza. Hamas refused to release them, saying that even those who were not soldiers were once in the Israeli military. Hamas has also refused to allow Red Cross visits, in violation of international law, and broke a deal this week to prove that medicines sent from Israel via Qatar had actually been delivered to the hostages.

There are reports that the female hostages are being raped by Hamas terrorists and otherwise sexually assaulted and degraded.

video
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/26/hamas-releases-propaganda-video-of-3-female-israeli-hostages/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on January 26, 2024, 11:27:04 pm
George Soros has given the UNRWA over $2 million since 2018.

https://twitter.com/ParkerThayer/status/1750933820063269037
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on January 26, 2024, 11:33:46 pm
George Soros has given the UNRWA over $2 million since 2018.

https://twitter.com/ParkerThayer/status/1750933820063269037
George Soros, helping to kill Jews since WWII 8888crybaby
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 26, 2024, 11:37:12 pm
1.) So, the United Nations is complicit in the October 7th genocidal mass murders?
2.) Those hostages could already be dead and the videos could have be previously recorded while they were still alive.
3.) Hamas is hiding behind women because the Israeli's have Hamas' balls to the walls.

Israel could re-brand its Gaza action as "Urban Renewal".
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 26, 2024, 11:59:41 pm
UNRWA fires 12 staffers who allegedly took part in October 7

Only 12?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on January 27, 2024, 12:36:47 am
Only 12?

Yes, because so far Israel has "only" produced video evidence for those 12 UNRWA employees. IOW, UNRWA had no plausible deniability and was backed into a corner with proof the 12 were guilty. More probably committed atrocities, but the UN isn't interested enough to investigate.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 28, 2024, 02:55:35 pm
Biden Administration Weighs Slowing Israel Arms Sales to Push Netanyahu for Scaled-Back Gaza War: Report

The White House has reportedly directed the Pentagon to determine which of Israel's weapons requests could be used as leverage

Published 01/28/24 09:11 AM ET|Updated 23 min ago
Aaron Feis
The Biden administration is considering slowing down or pausing weaponry sales to Israel in an attempt to pressure Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu into scaling back the assault on Hamas in Gaza, according to a report.

The White House has directed the Pentagon to determine which of Israel's weapons requests could be used as leverage, NBC News reported Sunday, citing four current or former U.S. officials familiar with the discussions.

The proposed tactic reportedly comes after President Biden and members of his administration have repeatedly ask Israel to scale back its assault and reduce civilian casualties in Gaza, only to see the requests go largely unheeded.

more
https://themessenger.com/news/us-biden-weapons-arms-sales-israel-netanyahu-hamas-war-gaza
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 28, 2024, 02:57:16 pm
US Sees Progress on Deal to Release Gaza Hostages, Bring Temporary Cease-Fire to Israel-Hamas War
While the proposal would not end the war, US officials are hopeful that it could lay the groundwork for a durable resolution
Published 01/28/24 06:35 AM ET|Updated 10 min ago
Associated Press

WASHINGTON — U.S. negotiators are making progress on a potential agreement under which Israel would pause military operations against Hamas in Gaza for two months in exchange for the release of more than 100 hostages who were captured in the Oct. 7 attack on Israel, according to two senior administration officials.

The officials, who requested anonymity to discuss the sensitive negotiations, said Saturday that emerging terms of the yet-to-be sealed deal would play out over two phases.

In the first phase, fighting would stop to allow for the remaining women, elderly and wounded hostages to be released by Hamas.

more
https://themessenger.com/news/israel-hamas-war-ceasefire-gaza-hostage-release-deal-us-details?utm_source=onsite&utm_medium=homepage_breaking_news_banner
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Post by: Wingnut on January 28, 2024, 03:46:35 pm
Quote
WASHINGTON — U.S. negotiators are making progress on a potential agreement under which Israel would pause military operations against Hamas in Gaza for two months in exchange for the release of more than 100 hostages who were captured in the Oct. 7 attack on Israel, according to two senior administration officials.

Biden loves him some Hamas terrorists.  He is pushing this deal to save the US Muzzie vote in Nov.
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Post by: mountaineer on January 28, 2024, 05:43:34 pm
Quote
a potential agreement under which Israel would pause military operations against Hamas in Gaza for two months
And Hamas will keep lobbing missiles, I assume.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on January 28, 2024, 05:54:26 pm
Biden loves him some Hamas terrorists.  He is pushing this deal to save the US Muzzie vote in Nov.
Why should he different than any other democrat president since LBJ? Carter, Clinton, Obama, Biden(maybe should be Obama again) all muzzie terrorist appeasers  9999hair out0000
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 29, 2024, 12:47:44 am
Biden Administration Weighs Slowing Israel Arms Sales to Push Netanyahu for Scaled-Back Gaza War: Report

The White House has reportedly directed the Pentagon to determine which of Israel's weapons requests could be used as leverage

Published 01/28/24 09:11 AM ET|Updated 23 min ago
Aaron Feis
The Biden administration is considering slowing down or pausing weaponry sales to Israel in an attempt to pressure Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu into scaling back the assault on Hamas in Gaza, according to a report.

The White House has directed the Pentagon to determine which of Israel's weapons requests could be used as leverage, NBC News reported Sunday, citing four current or former U.S. officials familiar with the discussions.

The proposed tactic reportedly comes after President Biden and members of his administration have repeatedly ask Israel to scale back its assault and reduce civilian casualties in Gaza, only to see the requests go largely unheeded.

more
https://themessenger.com/news/us-biden-weapons-arms-sales-israel-netanyahu-hamas-war-gaza
The more precise the weapons, the fewer 'civilians' will be collateral damage in relation to the number of Hamas operatives. While that ratio is no doubt blurred by the number of Hamas operatives dressed as or presented as civilian deaths, that precision is a limiting factor.

To deny the Israelis the most surgical means of elimination an existential threat only means the threat will be eliminated by less precise methods: the threat still must be eliminated.

For all ts posturing, limiting more precise munitions supplies to the Israelis will only force them to use less precise methods, which would not achieve the stated desired result of reducing 'civilian' casualties, but the exact opposite of the stated goal.

So long as they are in the crosshairs, Hamas will not release all the living hostages they have. Giving Hamas time to regroup and rearm is folly. Get the job done.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on January 29, 2024, 02:04:57 am
The more precise the weapons, the fewer 'civilians' will be collateral damage in relation to the number of Hamas operatives. While that ratio is no doubt blurred by the number of Hamas operatives dressed as or presented as civilian deaths, that precision is a limiting factor.

To deny the Israelis the most surgical means of elimination an existential threat only means the threat will be eliminated by less precise methods: the threat still must be eliminated.

For all ts posturing, limiting more precise munitions supplies to the Israelis will only force them to use less precise methods, which would not achieve the stated desired result of reducing 'civilian' casualties, but the exact opposite of the stated goal.

So long as they are in the crosshairs, Hamas will not release all the living hostages they have. Giving Hamas time to regroup and rearm is folly. Get the job done.
"...and reduce civilian casualties in Gaza" "Facts not in evidence."  No evidence produced to support this demented claim. So kindly EFF off! Israel needs to eradicate those vermin once and for all. So give them all the weaponry required to do so.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 30, 2024, 02:06:59 pm
Hamas Rejects Hostage Deal: No Agreement Without End to War

The Palestinian Hamas terrorist organization reportedly rejected an Israeli offer Monday for a deal to free the remaining 132 or so hostages still in captivity in Gaza because the proposed agreement did not include a permanent end to Israel’s counteroffensive.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/29/hamas-rejects-hostage-deal-no-agreement-without-end-to-war/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on January 30, 2024, 02:55:17 pm
Israel needs to end Hamas, not the war.  That includes the logistics and financial networks that supply Hamas with weapons and tunnel-building equipment.

In the meantime, the Israelis can burn tires, garbage, and debris in the entrances of these tunnels to smoke out more underground Hamas fighters.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 30, 2024, 03:07:22 pm
Undercover Israeli forces kill 3 Palestinian terrorists in West Bank hospital raid
IDF says it neutralized a Hamas terrorist cell hiding inside the 'Ibn Sina' Hospital in Jenin
By Michael Dorgan Fox News
Published January 30, 2024 9:00am EST

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on January 30, 2024, 04:38:55 pm
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1752200278332326077
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on January 30, 2024, 05:21:26 pm
Undercover Israeli forces kill 3 Palestinian terrorists in West Bank hospital raid
IDF says it neutralized a Hamas terrorist cell hiding inside the 'Ibn Sina' Hospital in Jenin
By Michael Dorgan Fox News
Published January 30, 2024 9:00am EST

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Has the UN condemned this raid yet?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 30, 2024, 05:31:07 pm
Hamas using a hospital as a base?  No way.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on January 30, 2024, 05:32:54 pm
The Palestinian Hamas terrorist organization reportedly rejected an Israeli offer Monday for a deal to free the remaining 132 or so hostages still in captivity in Gaza because the proposed agreement did not include a permanent end to Israel’s counteroffensive.

Note how it says a permanent end to "Israel’s counteroffensive", not a permanent end to 'the war'.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 31, 2024, 02:17:51 am
Note how it says a permanent end to "Israel’s counteroffensive", not a permanent end to 'the war'.
"Counteroffensive" alone implies that the Israeli action is a response to an "offensive".

Says it all.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on January 31, 2024, 01:13:47 pm
Has the UN condemned this raid yet?

Kinda sortof...It didn't take them long.

Israeli forces may have violated international law in the raid they conducted inside a hospital in the West Bank that resulted in the death of three Palestinian men both Hamas and the Islamic Jihad claimed as members, several experts told ABC News.

Israeli commandos disguised themselves as doctors and patients to infiltrate the Ibn Sina Hospital in Jenin on Monday and killed three Palestinian men whom Hamas and the Islamic Jihad both claimed as members, Dr. Wisam Sebehat, general director of the Palestinian Health Ministry in Jenin, told ABC News.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/idf-may-have-violated-international-law-west-bank-hospital-raid/story?id=106810456

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on February 01, 2024, 12:02:03 pm
Days After Military Suffers Devastating Blow – Biden State Department Does the Unthinkable

Patriot Journal By Mick Farthing January 31, 2024 

Key Takeaways:

•   Biden’s State Department is considering supporting a Palestinian state.

•   This contradicts decades of U.S. policy, which demanded a deal between Israel and Palestinians.

•   Biden has been heavily criticized for his fumbled, short-sided, and poor foreign policy decisions.

Tensions are at an all-time high, with Biden’s short-sided policies potentially making things much worse. And now, Biden’s State Department just made an announcement that could set off this powder keg.

From Axios:

    Secretary of State Tony Blinken asked the State Department to conduct a review and present policy options on possible U.S. and international recognition of a Palestinian state after the war in Gaza, two U.S. officials briefed on the issue told Axios…

    For decades, U.S. policy has been to oppose the recognition of Palestine as a state both bilaterally and in UN institutions and to stress Palestinian statehood should only be achieved through direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

In what could be seen as an insult to our ally Israel, Biden’s Secretary of State is floating the idea of supporting a Palestinian state. For years, the United States has refused to recognize Palestine as a nation. That is because they supported negotiations between Israel and Palestinians.

However, Israel has never been able to make a deal with Palestinians. This is often due to Palestinians refusing to accept a deal that recognizes Israel as a nation. Many Palestinians share Hamas’s sentiment, that Israel needs to be wiped off the map.

More: https://pjnewsletter.com/militar-devastating-blow-state-dept/ (https://pjnewsletter.com/militar-devastating-blow-state-dept/)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 01, 2024, 02:23:33 pm
Biden Lets Qatar, Egypt, and Hamas Run Both Sides of the Table in Israeli Hostage Talks

Hamas, the Palestinian terror group that carried out the October 7 attack against Israel, is represented on both sides of the negotiating table over Israeli hostages, thanks to the intervention of Qatar and Egypt, and the posture of the Biden administration.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/01/biden-lets-qatar-egypt-and-hamas-run-both-sides-of-the-table-in-israeli-hostage-talks/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 01, 2024, 02:38:41 pm
UNRWA: We ‘Might’ Make Reforms over October 7 Involvement After War, ‘Need’ to ‘Focus’ on Pressuring Israel Now

On Wednesday’s broadcast of NPR’s “Here and Now,” Director of Communications for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) Juliette Touma responded to calls for fundamental changes within the organization by U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/02/01/unrwa-we-might-make-reforms-over-october-7-involvement-after-war-need-to-focus-on-pressuring-israel-now/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 01, 2024, 06:39:20 pm
 Biden will issue an executive order targeting Israeli settlers who attack Palestinians in West Bank with sanctions
By Associated Press   
Published Feb. 1, 2024, 10:45 a.m. ET

President Joe Biden is expected to issue an executive order targeting Israeli settlers in the West Bank who have been attacking Palestinians in the occupied territory, according to four people familiar with the matter.

A senior administration official, who like the others was not authorized to comment publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, said the White House was expected to announce the order later Thursday.

Biden has spoken out against retaliatory attacks by Israeli settlers against Palestinians in the West Bank in the aftermath of the Hamas attacks against Israel on Oct. 7.

The president has pledged that those responsible for the violence will be held accountable.

The executive order is expected to set the ground for imposing sanctions on individuals who have engaged in violence against Palestinians in the West Bank.

more
https://nypost.com/2024/02/01/news/biden-will-issue-an-executive-order-targeting-israeli-settlers-who-attack-palestinians-in-west-bank/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on February 01, 2024, 06:42:10 pm
Israeli settlers to Joe Biden, F U.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on February 03, 2024, 11:41:26 pm
Ron M.
@Jewtastic
⚠️Unprecedented 👀 (Hebrew)

The IDF just gave an extensive 10-minute briefing on Hezbollah & Lebanon. On the hundreds of terrorists the IDF has killed, the extensive targets eliminated, the 3 divisions deployed to the North, their mission goals, the tens of thousands of soldiers manning the border, the strikes across Syria hitting weapons destined for Hezbollah, the preparation to intervene in Lebanon & Syria at any time, the deep intelligence capabilities of the IDF..

It goes on & on foreshadowing. It looks like a message to the citizens of Israel that the IDF & the State are not prepared to allow this threat in the North to continue. That Hezbollah will be pushed back across the Litani River per UN Resolution 1701 one way or another.  ...
https://twitter.com/Jewtastic/status/1753862276099223805
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 04, 2024, 03:07:18 pm
SNL jokes Gaza has called for a ceasefire in CHICAGO, after crime-ridden metropolis' progressive mayor passed controversial resolution

DAILYMAIL.COM
By DOLORES CHANG
4 February 2024
(more)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13043225/Now-SNL-Windy-City-Comedy-Gaza-ceasefire-CHICAGO-crime.html
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 06, 2024, 02:16:37 pm
Netanyahu: Half of Hamas Killed or Wounded; 18 of 24 Battalions Destroyed

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Monday during a visit to Israel Defense Forces (IDF) troops that half of Hamas’s terrorists had been killed or wounded, and that 18 of its 24 battalions had been destroyed thus far.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/05/netanyahu-half-of-hamas-killed-or-wounded-18-of-24-battalions-destroyed/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on February 06, 2024, 03:07:07 pm
Oli London
@OliLondonTV
Mainstream media and Palestinian activists are peddling the narrative that this 14 year old Palestinian boy who was shot dead today was an ‘innocent civilian.’ What they fail to tell you is 14 year old Wadee' Olayyan attempted to stab and kill an Israeli police officer today.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFlpzE_WoAA8GcS?format=jpg&name=900x900)
11:57 AM · Feb 5, 2024

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: jafo2010 on February 06, 2024, 04:55:25 pm
There is no such thig as an innocent individual in Gaza.  The entire population is ensconced in the  culture of genocide, the absolute elimination of all Jews.  Israel has but one choice, the complete destruction of Gaza and death of all that oppose them there.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 06, 2024, 05:17:42 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com
·
Feb 5
Senior military sources: Israel needs 1-2 years to fully eliminate Hamas rocket threat; about 1,000 rockets left in Gaza, mostly hidden in underground launchers; IDF prioritizes destruction of rocket launchers. via @Doron_Kadosh
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on February 06, 2024, 07:18:10 pm
Israeli intelligence confirms dozens of hostages thought to be alive in Gaza are dead: report

Israeli intelligence says dozens of hostages previously thought to be alive in Gaza are now confirmed dead, according to a report from the New York Times.

Israeli officials have concluded that at least 32 of the 136 hostages thought to be in Gaza have been killed. Israel reportedly has informed the families of the 32 hostages, according to four officials who spoke to the newspaper.

The report also states that officials are investigating unconfirmed intelligence indicating that at least 20 more hostages may have been killed. Most of those who have newly been confirmed to be dead were killed on Oct. 7, the Israeli military confirmed to the Times.

The report comes as Israel, the U.S., Egypt, Qatar and Hamas continue negotiations for a potential exchange of the remaining hostages for Palestinian prisoners held in Israel........

https://www.foxnews.com/world/israeli-intelligence-confirms-dozens-hostages-thought-alive-gaza-dead-report
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 06, 2024, 10:06:52 pm
At least 32 of the 136 hostages held in Gaza killed, 20 others feared dead – NYT
IDF spokesman says bodies of 31 captives held by Hamas, including soldiers Oron Shaul and Hadar Goldin who fell in 2014, Hostages and Missing Families Forum concurs
By ToI Staff, Lazar Berman

and Emanuel Fabian

Today, 7:07 pm

Thirty-two of the more than 130 hostages still held captive by Hamas are no longer alive, according to a report on the eve of the fourth month of the war between Israel and the Gaza terror group that provided an updated picture of the status of the hostages.

Citing a confidential assessment conducted by Israeli intelligence officials, The New York Times reported on Tuesday that more hostages have been killed than previously thought — until now, the IDF had only confirmed the deaths of 29 of the captives still in Gaza.

In addition to the 32 confirmed deaths, the IDF is assessing “unconfirmed intelligence” that at least 20 additional hostages may have also been killed, the report said, quoting four military officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The families of the deceased have all been informed of their deaths, the officials said, and confirmed that the majority of the dead were killed during the deadly Hamas terror onslaught on October 7 and their bodies were taken to Gaza.

more
https://www.timesofisrael.com/at-least-32-of-the-136-hostages-held-in-gaza-killed-20-others-feared-dead-nyt/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on February 07, 2024, 01:54:09 pm
Marina Medvin 🇺🇸
@MarinaMedvin
Hamas has proposed a “deal” for themselves that builds them a kingdom —

1) Hamas stays in power
2) Hamas is supplied with whatever they need
3) Gaza is rebuilt for Hamas
4) Hamas members captured during the war and before are released back into Gaza— 1,500 of them
5) UNRWA stays in Gaza 😏
6) Israel can have back whoever may be alive but mostly the dead bodies of the innocents they kidnapped and tortured during their killing spree in Israel.

So basically, Hamas seeks to be stronger and more power than ever — Hamas seeks to be rewarded for the war it started.
https://timesofisrael.com/hamas-proposes-three-stage-ceasefire-over-135-days-leading-to-end-of-war-reports/
8:41 AM · Feb 7, 2024
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 07, 2024, 02:46:53 pm
Blinken Offers Hamas Host Qatar U.S. ‘Commitment’ to a ‘Palestinian State’

Secretary of State Antony Blinken told the emir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim Bin Hamad Al Thani, on Tuesday that the administration of leftist President Joe Biden rejects “any forced displacement of Palestinians from Gaza” and has made a “commitment” to the “establishment of a Palestinian state,” the State Department said in a readout.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/06/blinken-offers-hamas-host-qatar-u-s-commitment-palestinian-state/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 07, 2024, 02:48:19 pm
IDF Releases Evidence of Payments Directly from Iran to Hamas

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) released evidence Tuesday that it said showed direct payments from Iran to the Hamas terrorist organization and its leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/06/idf-releases-evidence-of-payments-directly-from-iran-to-hamas/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on February 07, 2024, 02:48:36 pm
Blinken Offers Hamas Host Qatar U.S. ‘Commitment’ to a ‘Palestinian State’

Secretary of State Antony Blinken told the emir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim Bin Hamad Al Thani, on Tuesday that the administration of leftist President Joe Biden rejects “any forced displacement of Palestinians from Gaza” and has made a “commitment” to the “establishment of a Palestinian state,” the State Department said in a readout.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/06/blinken-offers-hamas-host-qatar-u-s-commitment-palestinian-state/

Why not?  Evil Joe is anti-Israel, anti-America, and Hamas is no doubt already in this country.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on February 07, 2024, 02:49:22 pm
IDF Releases Evidence of Payments Directly from Iran to Hamas

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) released evidence Tuesday that it said showed direct payments from Iran to the Hamas terrorist organization and its leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/06/idf-releases-evidence-of-payments-directly-from-iran-to-hamas/
The $$ courtesy of Evil Joe & Company?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on February 07, 2024, 02:49:46 pm
So when did this become OUR BATTLE?  This is Israel's to divide and conquer, not ours.  Leave them the $%^& alone!

Amen!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on February 07, 2024, 02:56:24 pm
The United States Department of State is the enemy within and has been for more than one hundred years now.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 07, 2024, 03:14:27 pm
Hamas offers remaining hostages for prisoners, 135-day cease-fire in deal Biden calls ‘a little over the top'
Hamas proposal for deal with Israel demands that UNRWA continue operating in Gaza
By Anders Hagstrom Fox News
Published February 7, 2024 7:05am EST

Hamas has offered to release all remaining Israeli hostages in exchange for a 135-day cease-fire, a full Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and the release of well over 1,000 Palestinian prisoners.

The terrorist organization made the offer to Israel on Tuesday in response to previous terms sent to them last week by Egypt and Qatar. The three-phase plan would see Israeli hostages released in stages – women and children first – in exchange for the Palestinian prisoners being held in Israel, including 500 Hamas would choose from a list of those serving life sentences..

Male hostages over the age of 19 would be released after the first 45-day phase is complete. Israeli forces would fully withdraw from Gaza at the same time.

Notably, the deal also specifically calls out UNRWA, with Hamas demanding that the organization maintain its role in overseeing aid to Gaza. The demand comes after Israel presented extensive evidence suggesting that there were at least 190 Hamas collaborators within the U.N. group.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/world/hamas-offers-remaining-hostages-prisoners-135-day-cease-fire-deal-biden-calls-little-over-top
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on February 07, 2024, 04:13:45 pm
Why does Hamas need 135 days?  Is Iran sending the replacement rockets 4th class postage?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 07, 2024, 05:33:43 pm
Bus-loads of macabre tourists are descending on Hamas massacre sites in Israel

DailyMail
By PERKIN AMALARAJ IN ISRAEL
7 February 2024

The first thing that can be seen when driving up to Kibbutz Be'eri, the site of a massacre that saw Hamas terrorists slaughter more than a hundred civilians on October 7, is an arrow on an orange sign that reads: 'Tourist Sites.'

Be'eri was one of dozens of Israeli settlements near the border with Gaza that was attacked by terrorists in the early hours of the morning of Black Saturday.

More than a tenth of the men, women and children who lived in the kibbutz were murdered as they slept in their homes.

(more)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13056919/Bus-loads-macabre-tourists-descending-Hamas-massacre-sites-Israel-walking-homes-scarred-ash-bullet-holes-families-shot-burned.html
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 08, 2024, 04:34:59 am
It was an act of utter delusional fantasy to hold an unarmed music festival on the border with the vicious murderous animals in GAZA. Especially since Israel made sure they were all disarmed.

Israel may as well have megaphones on the border of Gaza yelling, "COME RAPE AND MURDER US! WE HAVE NO SECURITY PERSONNEL! WE ARE ALL UNARMED AND ARE FORBIDDEN TO HARM YOU IN ANY WAY! WE ARE ALL JUST PEACEFUL LITTLE FLOWERS WHO WANT PEACE. COME AND GET US..."

I would never say that Israel setup the situation on Oct 7. But Israel created through nothing but childish dreams, fanciful wishes, and extreme naivete, all the conditions the Arabs were praying for so they could attack.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 08, 2024, 02:50:52 pm
Netanyahu: Israel won't give into Hamas' "delusional" hostage deal demands

Barak Ravid

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Wednesday that caving to Hamas' "delusional" ceasefire demands won't lead to the release of the hostages still being held in Gaza, but instead to another attack like the one the militant group committed on Oct. 7.

Why it matters: It was the first time Netanyahu commented on Hamas' response to a recent hostage deal proposal since it was given to Israel on Tuesday. While dismissing Hamas' demands, Netanyahu didn't close the door to negotiations, however.

Catch up quick: Qatar and Egypt presented Hamas with a framework for negotiations for a three-phase deal late last month after mediators met with U.S. and Israeli officials.

    Under that framework, the first phase would include a six-week ceasefire and the release of a set number of Palestinian prisoners in exchange for Hamas freeing 35 to 40 Israeli hostages, including women, men over the age of 60 and those with serious medical conditions, according to Israeli and Qatari officials.
    The terms of the following two stages had been agreed on but the second phase was expected to include the release of Israeli soldiers and civilian men under the age of 60 from captivity in Gaza.

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https://www.axios.com/2024/02/07/netanyahu-hostage-deal-hamas-gaza-israel
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Post by: 240B on February 08, 2024, 03:37:03 pm
What's the difference in living down in Brownsville by the border, very similar, but thousands do.
@Jack Russell
Texas is an armed State. Israel is/was an unarmed State.

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Post by: mystery-ak on February 09, 2024, 02:59:09 pm
 Biden: Israel’s actions in Gaza are ‘over the top’

In response to reporters’ shouted questions, the president expounded on his push for aid in Gaza and said the ongoing violence “has to stop.”

By Samantha Latson

02/08/2024 09:37 PM EST

President Joe Biden on Thursday described Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza as “over the top” in a news conference at the White House.

In response to reporters’ shouted questions, the president expounded on his push for aid in Gaza and said the ongoing violence “has to stop.”

“There are a lot of innocent people who are starving. A lot of innocent people in trouble and dying. And it has to stop,” Biden said.

Biden has taken flak from the Democratic Party’s left flank over his support for Israel’s recent actions in the Gaza strip. His Thursday remarks were some of his sharpest criticism yet of the U.S.'s Middle Eastern ally.

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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/08/president-biden-gaza-israel-criticism-00140629
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Post by: mystery-ak on February 09, 2024, 03:39:25 pm
Netanyahu Orders IDF to Prepare for Evacuation of Rafah ahead of Expected Invasion

By Zach Kessel

February 9, 2024 9:57 AM

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered the Israel Defense Forces to devise plans to evacuate the civilian population of Rafah, a city on the border between the Gaza Strip and Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula, ahead of an expected invasion.
The city is the site of the Rafah Border Crossing, the sole point of entry between Gaza and Egypt. The four Hamas battalions the IDF has not yet destroyed at this point in its counteroffensive in response to the October 7 attack are believed to be in the city, which Israel hit with air strikes Thursday night into Friday morning.

The United States is expected to push back against the ground operation once it occurs; National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said such an incursion is “not something we would support.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/netanyahu-orders-idf-to-prepare-for-evacuation-of-rafah-ahead-of-expected-invasion/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 10, 2024, 08:27:46 pm
It is my belief that Gaza has awakened a sleeping giant.
Israel is pissed off (not good) ... at all of them.

This will end with the Ayatollah's head nailed onto the door of the Knesset in Tel Aviv.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 10, 2024, 08:33:30 pm
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1756388118041710877
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 10, 2024, 08:52:15 pm
When will BObama who is a loyal (obvious homosexual) devout Shia of Iran, start bombing Israel to prevent them from any countermeasures?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on February 10, 2024, 09:14:53 pm
The United States Department of State is the enemy within and has been for more than one hundred years now.

sigh .... I never realized that.  :shrug:
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Post by: mystery-ak on February 10, 2024, 10:04:09 pm
Israel Strikes Senior Hamas Officials in Rafah Before Offensive

Israel launched an airstrike Saturday that eliminated several senior Hamas terrorist officials in the city of Rafah — while the world attempts to dissuade Israel from launching a broader ground offensive in Rafah, the last stronghold of the terrorist organization.

In a joint statement, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Israel Security Agency (or Shin Bet, or Shabak) said on Saturday:

    Earlier today, following IDF and ISA intelligence, aircraft struck and eliminated Ahmed Eliakubi, a senior Hamas operative in the area of Rafah. Eliakubi was responsible for the security provisions for senior Hamas leaders and served as a senior commander in the Rafah district. During the strike, Iman Rantisi, a Hamas senior military operative was eliminated, and an additional operative was killed.

The Hamas leaders may have been lulled into a false sense of security due to the public opposition of the U.S. and other countries to an Israeli military operation in Rafah, given the large number of Palestinian civilians who have taken refuge there.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered the military to prepare a plan to evacuate the civilians and then destroy what remains of Hamas.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/10/israel-strikes-senior-hamas-officials-in-rafah-before-offensive/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2024, 12:51:40 am
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
The Israel Defense Force conducted a Raid recently on the Headquarters for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) within Gaza City in the Northern Strip, leading to the Discovery of a Large Server and Data Farm operated by Hamas and other Palestinian Terror Groups for Communication and Intelligence Capabilities beneath the Building; this Discovery alongside the recent Announcement that multiple Members of UNRWA had Participated in the October 7th Massacre against Southern Israel mean only one thing…

UNRWA needs to be Dismantled and all of its Leadership Arrested for Collusion with Hamas.

And the US needs to stop funding it.
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Post by: Elderberry on February 11, 2024, 02:26:04 pm
Hamas Military Compound Found Beneath U.N. Agency Headquarters in Gaza

Wall Street Journal By Dov Lieber and David Luhnow 2/10/2024

GAZA CITY—Hidden deep below the headquarters of the United Nations’ aid agency for Palestinians here is a Hamas complex with rows of computer servers that Israel’s armed forces say served as an important communications center and intelligence hub for the Islamist militant group.

Part of a warren of tunnels and subterranean chambers carved from the Gaza Strip’s sandy soil, the compound below the United Nations Relief and Works Agency buildings in Gaza City appears to have run on electricity drawn from the U.N.’s power supply, Israeli officials said.

A Wall Street Journal reporter and journalists from other news organizations visited the site this past week in a trip organized by Israel’s military. A tunnel also appeared to pass beneath a U.N.-run school near the headquarters.

Israel’s discovery of the Hamas operations below Unrwa offices is likely to put further pressure on the agency, which is facing international scrutiny after Israeli allegations that at least 12 of its employees had links to Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel, which authorities say killed 1,200 people.

Israeli military officials assert that people working at Unrwa would have been aware of the tunnel complex, either from activities during its construction or by what they said would have been a jump in electricity usage when the complex started operating.

More: https://archive.is/hrexj (https://archive.is/hrexj)
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Post by: mystery-ak on February 11, 2024, 11:00:27 pm
Biden Warns Netanyahu in Phone Call Against Attack in Rafah Without Civilian Plan

President Joe Biden warned Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in a 45-minute telephone call Sunday not to attack Hamas’s last stronghold in Rafah without a credible plan to evacuate the roughly one million Palestinian civilians there.

A White House readout of the call said:

    President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. spoke this morning with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel. The President reaffirmed our shared goal to see Hamas defeated and to ensure the long-term security of Israel and its people. The President and the Prime Minister discussed ongoing efforts to secure the release of all remaining hostages held by Hamas. The President emphasized the need to capitalize on progress made in the negotiations to secure the release of all hostages as soon as possible. He also called for urgent and specific steps to increase the throughput and consistency of humanitarian assistance to innocent Palestinian civilians. And he reaffirmed his view that a military operation in Rafah should not proceed without a credible and executable plan for ensuring the safety of and support for the more than one million people sheltering there. The two leaders agreed to remain in close contact.

Rafah is a town in Gaza on the Egyptian border. It is the one part of Gaza where the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have not yet attacked Hamas. Hamas leaders are thought to be hiding there. The area is also important to cross-border smuggling.

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/11/biden-warns-netanyahu-in-phone-call-against-attack-in-rafah-without-civilian-plan/
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Post by: libertybele on February 11, 2024, 11:05:18 pm
Biden Warns Netanyahu in Phone Call Against Attack in Rafah Without Civilian Plan

President Joe Biden warned Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in a 45-minute telephone call Sunday not to attack Hamas’s last stronghold in Rafah without a credible plan to evacuate the roughly one million Palestinian civilians there.

A White House readout of the call said:

    President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. spoke this morning with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel. The President reaffirmed our shared goal to see Hamas defeated and to ensure the long-term security of Israel and its people. The President and the Prime Minister discussed ongoing efforts to secure the release of all remaining hostages held by Hamas. The President emphasized the need to capitalize on progress made in the negotiations to secure the release of all hostages as soon as possible. He also called for urgent and specific steps to increase the throughput and consistency of humanitarian assistance to innocent Palestinian civilians. And he reaffirmed his view that a military operation in Rafah should not proceed without a credible and executable plan for ensuring the safety of and support for the more than one million people sheltering there. The two leaders agreed to remain in close contact.

Rafah is a town in Gaza on the Egyptian border. It is the one part of Gaza where the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have not yet attacked Hamas. Hamas leaders are thought to be hiding there. The area is also important to cross-border smuggling.

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/11/biden-warns-netanyahu-in-phone-call-against-attack-in-rafah-without-civilian-plan/

I thought that I had read that most of the hostages were dead?? So, there's no reason for negotiations, nor efforts for peace.  Why would Bibi do that? 

What carrot does Joe think he's dangling??
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2024, 11:32:21 pm
President Joe Biden warned Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in a 45-minute telephone call Sunday not to attack Hamas’s last stronghold in Rafah without a credible plan to evacuate the roughly one million Palestinian civilians there.

Hopefully, this was Bibi's response:

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XQnDyu32prc/UHNPoMZjVrI/AAAAAAAAPPY/n8rHeeqyIHE/s1600/stfu.jpg)
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Post by: mystery-ak on February 12, 2024, 02:52:13 am
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1756872773144555815
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 12, 2024, 02:55:39 am
Richard Goldberg
@rich_goldberg
·
15m
Biden called Netanyahu today to tell him not to go into Rafah to avoid a collapse of hostage negotiations.

Israel just rescued two hostages in Rafah.

This is the moment for Biden and his team - and every mainstream media outlet carrying their water - to take a big step back.
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Post by: mystery-ak on February 12, 2024, 02:57:07 am
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
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5m
Israeli Medical Officials at Sheba Hospital state that the Hostages which were Freed tonight from Hamas Captivity, Fernando Marman aged 60 and Louis Har aged 70 are both in Good Health.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 12, 2024, 02:58:34 am

OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
The Israel Defense Force has announced in a Joint-Statement with Shin Bet that they conducted a Ground Operation tonight within the City of Rafah in Southern Gaza in order to Rescue the Israeli Hostages, Fernando Marman and Louis Har who were both Kidnapped by Hamas from the Town of Nir Yitzhak on October 7th; the Operation was conducted by Shin Bet Agents with the Support of the 7th Brigade as well as the “Shayetet 13” Special Forces Unit of the Israeli Navy while the Israeli Air Force launched Airstrikes on several Hamas Targets as a Distraction; the Abductees have since been Airlifted to Sheba Hospital where they will undergo Medical Check-Ups before their Release to their Families.

YAYZ !!!

(And to think that Biden told them to wait.  Biden's once again extends his track record for making the wrong call.)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 12, 2024, 03:00:24 am
Richard Goldberg
@rich_goldberg
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15m
Biden called Netanyahu today to tell him not to go into Rafah to avoid a collapse of hostage negotiations.

Israel just rescued two hostages in Rafah.

This is the moment for Biden and his team - and every mainstream media outlet carrying their water - to take a big step back.

As a general rule, whatever Joe Biden says to do, do the exact opposite.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 12, 2024, 03:22:08 am
Biden is a puppet of Obama. Obama is for Hamas, and all the terrorist groups. If Obama is telling Biden to beg Israel not to go into Rafah, this can only mean that Hamas is afraid. Hamas must have contacted Obama through what Milley calls "backchannels" and told him to stop Israel in Rafah.

Biden doesn't know Rafah from Pittsburgh. Biden is only doing whatever he is told to do. He has no clue what is going on. Lucky for us all that Israel is not stupid. If Israel listened to America for war advice, Israel would wind up fighting in Gaza for 20 years spending a hundred trillion dollars and tens of thousand dead soldiers and then surrender.
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Post by: mystery-ak on February 12, 2024, 02:45:08 pm
Israeli forces rescue two hostages during operation in Rafah
Fernando Marman, 60, and Louis Har, 70, were rescued from Rafah
 By Landon Mion Fox News
Published February 12, 2024 2:05am EST | Updated February 12, 2024 6:52am EST


Israeli forces successfully rescued two Israeli hostages held in the Gaza city of Rafah, officials announced early Monday.

In a joint operation conducted overnight, the Israel Defense Forces, Israeli Securities Authority and Israeli police rescued Fernando Marman, 60, and Louis Har, 70, and evacuated them in a helicopter to the Sheba Tel Hashomer hospital inside Israel. Footage released by the IDF later showed Merman and Har hugging and embracing their families.

"The hostages ... were held captive in harsh conditions. They were intentionally held in the middle of a civilian neighborhood inside a civilian building to try to prevent us from rescuing them. But we did," IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said in a video message this morning. "Fernando Marmon and Luis Har are now home in Israel. They have undergone medical examination and have been reunited with their families. 

"This rescue mission underscores the importance of our ground operation in Gaza, including Rafah, when conditions allow. One hundred and thirty-four men, women, children and elderly are still being held hostage in Gaza," Hagari added. "We have a moral obligation to bring all our hostages home, and that is an obligation that we will continue doing everything – everything in our power – to fulfill."

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/israeli-forces-rescue-two-hostages-operation-rafah
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on February 12, 2024, 03:43:41 pm
 ////00000////

... but ... but ... there's no Hamas in Rafa.  Rafa is a city of innoent Gazans that's as pure and innocent as the newly fallen snow.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: catfish1957 on February 12, 2024, 03:48:05 pm
I thought I heard on TND this morning that there was a Hamas Communication Center under a U.N. facilty at Rafah. 

Blow 'em out of the sky like quail Bibi. 
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Post by: PeteS in CA on February 12, 2024, 05:36:29 pm
Richard Goldberg
@rich_goldberg
·
15m
Biden called Netanyahu today to tell him not to go into Rafah to avoid a collapse of hostage negotiations.

Israel just rescued two hostages in Rafah.

This is the moment for Biden and his team - and every mainstream media outlet carrying their water - to take a big step back.

I wonder whether this is something LIEden feared would happen. That not only would Netanyahu "disobey" LIEden, but that there would be some result that proved Israel was right to "disobey" LIEden.

LIEden should have known in early 2021 that Israel would notice that he was filling his malAdministration with Israel-Haters and be prepared to respond accordingly.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on February 12, 2024, 05:40:39 pm
I thought I heard on TND this morning that there was a Hamas Communication Center under a U.N. facilty at Rafah. 

Blow 'em out of the sky like quail Bibi.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/02/israeli-uncovers-hamas-server-farm-and-tunnel-complex-beneath-unrwas-gaza-hq/

No one who has even slightly followed UNRWA's antics in the past 4 or 5 decades should be surprised.

Has any nation dared to ask where Hamas got all that concrete and wood support beams for their hundreds of miles of tunnels?
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Post by: 240B on February 12, 2024, 09:10:13 pm
I have to agree. Why don't all of these "From the river to the Sea" people go to Gaza?

Why not one of them? Why not any of them?
I mean that earnestly. Why don't some of them go there? Why not one of them go there?

If you really believe all that stuff you are saying, then you would join us!
Come! Come to gaza. We love you ... and together we will finally defeat the evil monster from Transylvania!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 12, 2024, 09:46:22 pm
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1757158818339840001
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 12, 2024, 10:05:02 pm
"we could then take the time to build something more enduring"

Yes, they could take the time to fortify their missile silos. When an Arab says, 'build something more enduring', they mean exactly what they say.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2024, 10:12:37 pm
I have to agree. Why don't all of these "From the river to the Sea" people go to Gaza?

Why not one of them? Why not any of them?
I mean that earnestly. Why don't some of them go there? Why not one of them go there?

If you really believe all that stuff you are saying, then you would join us!
Come! Come to gaza. We love you ... and together we will finally defeat the evil monster from Transylvania!


Some Americans do go over there, FA and FO.  Remember Rachel "Pancake" Corrie?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: berdie on February 12, 2024, 10:19:40 pm
I wonder whether this is something LIEden feared would happen. That not only would Netanyahu "disobey" LIEden, but that there would be some result that proved Israel was right to "disobey" LIEden.

LIEden should have known in early 2021 that Israel would notice that he was filling his malAdministration with Israel-Haters and be prepared to respond accordingly.



If he didn't know then, he does now (or not?). Biden has to have a little hurt that he gave wrong advise. Or should.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on February 13, 2024, 01:01:41 am
Saudi Arabia, Egypt Threaten Israel With Punitive Measures as IDF Clamps Down on Hamas Terrorist Leadership Hiding in Rafah

Legal Insurrection by Vijeta Uniyal Monday, February 12, 2024

Cairo threatens to suspend the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty signed in Camp David.

As the Israeli armed forces gear up to capture the last major terrorist stronghold of Rafah in southern Gaza with the aim of annihilating Hamas’ Gaza-based leadership and liberating the hostages, the Biden administration, European governments, and Arab regimes are exerting enormous pressure on Israel to halt the military operation.

Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the two most powerful Arab states, are threatening to unleash punitive measures against Jerusalem as the Israeli military is posed to capture Rafah, the southernmost part of Gaza, along the Egyptian border, thereby cutting off Hamas’ sole escape and weapons supply route.

“Saudi Arabia’s foreign ministry warned Saturday of “very serious repercussions of storming and targeting” the city of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip,” CNN reported Sunday.

Cairo is threatening to suspend the Egypt–Israel peace treaty signed in 1979. “Egypt is threatening to suspend its peace treaty with Israel if Israeli troops are sent into the densely populated Gaza border town of Rafah,” CNBC reported Sunday, citing Egyptian and Western officials.

“The threat to suspend the Camp David Accords, a cornerstone of regional stability for nearly a half-century, came after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said sending troops into Rafah was necessary to win the four-month war against the Palestinian militant group Hamas.” the broadcaster added.

The Biden administration joined the chorus of the United Nations, the European Union, and European nations, telling Israel to halt the military operation as Hamas’ Gaza-based leadership faces total annihilation if it fails to surrender and release the renaming Israeli hostages languishing in captivity for more than five months since the October 7 terror attacks.

“Biden and officials with the United Nations have warned that an Israeli military ground offensive in Rafah,” the Guardian newspaper noted Saturday. “Biden’s national security adviser John Kirby has said the US would not be in favor of any assault on Rafah without due consideration of civilians.”

Germany’s state-run DW TV on Sunday reported the European pressure mounting on Israel:

    “The people in Gaza cannot disappear into thin air,” German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock wrote on X, formerly Twitter, urging a ceasefire and adding that an Israeli offensive on Rafah would be a “humanitarian catastrophe in the making.”

More: https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/02/saudi-arabia-egypt-threaten-israel-with-punitive-measures-as-idf-clamps-down-on-hamas-terrorist-leadership-hiding-in-rafah/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/02/saudi-arabia-egypt-threaten-israel-with-punitive-measures-as-idf-clamps-down-on-hamas-terrorist-leadership-hiding-in-rafah/)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 13, 2024, 01:21:59 am

Cairo threatens to suspend the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty signed in Camp David.

F**cking Hell YES!! Jimmy Carter was a FOOL who set the world on fire with Islam!
Take back Gaza, take back Sanai and piss on Jimmuah Carter's grave!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 13, 2024, 01:25:28 am
As the Israeli armed forces gear up to capture the last major terrorist stronghold of Rafah in southern Gaza with the aim of annihilating Hamas’ Gaza-based leadership and liberating the hostages, the Biden administration, European governments, and Arab regimes are exerting enormous pressure on Israel to halt the military operation.

Nice going there, Joe.  You are about to trash Jimmy Carter's only accomplishment.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on February 13, 2024, 01:26:44 am
How Israel has achieved a 50 to 1 kill ratio on Hamas

Tablet by Edward N. Luttwak 2/8/2024

Why Israel Is Winning in Gaza

The tactical victory that Hamas achieved on October 7, with all its scenes of unimaginable horror, has become a leading driver of its strategic defeat

Anyone who has ever been in combat knows that the enemy is almost always invisible, because to remain alive one must remain behind good cover: The one and only time I saw live enemies walking toward me, I was so astonished that I hesitated before opening fire (ill-trained, they were walking into a blinding sun).

It is the same in urban combat, but much worse because the invisible enemy can be a sniper behind a window—and any one of the countless apartment houses in Gaza has dozens of windows—or he can wait with an RPG at ground level to pop out and launch his rocket, whose short range makes it of little use in open country but is amply sufficient across the width of a street. Mortars, which launch their bombs parabolically in an inverted U, are exceptionally valuable in urban combat because they can attack forces moving up one street from three streets away, beyond the reach of immediate counterfire.

Finally, there are mega-mines: not the standard land mines with five to 10 kilos of explosives placed on the ground or just under, but wired demolition charges with 10 times as much explosive covered over with asphalt, to be exploded when a tank, troop carrier, or truckload of soldiers is above them.

That is why, from the start of Israel’s counteroffensive into Gaza, almost all the media military experts, including colonels and generals festooned with campaign ribbons (though few if any had ever seen actual combat) immediately warned that Israel’s invasion of Gaza could not possibly defeat Hamas, but would certainly result in a horrifying number of Israeli casualties, before resulting in a bloody and strategically pointless stalemate.

And that was before it was realized that there were hundreds of miles of tunnels beneath Gaza, from which fighters could emerge from invisibility to attack advancing soldiers from the rear, or to set up instant ambushes in apparently cleared terrain, and through which encircled fighters under attack could safely escape. In the special case of Gaza, moreover, the crowded urban battlefield offers endless opportunities for the easiest of tactics, because contrary to accusations that only expensively educated U.S. college students could possibly believe, Israeli soldiers do not deliberately kill innocent civilians going about their business. Therefore Hamas fighters can be perfect civilians walking alongside women and children right up until the moment they duck into the right doorway to take up prepared weapons and come out shooting

Yet as of now, after 124 days of fighting in both Gaza and in the north against Hezbollah, a total of 562 Israeli soldiers have died—a total that includes 373 soldiers and local security officers, who died on Oct. 7 itself, when any and all immediately available soldiers—only some of them as organized units—rushed in to fight Hamas infiltrators wherever they could find them. Even a single death is immensely tragic for an entire family, and quite a few are entrepreneurs with employees who depend on them, so that every single death gravely affects many in many ways.

That must be said and emphasized before adding that the actual number of Israeli soldiers killed in the counteroffensive until now is not in the thousands suggested by the beribboned skeptics who were gleefully echoed by the malevolent, but under 300 as of this writing. In other words, only a very, very small number, given the magnitude of the forces involved on both sides, and the exceptional complexity of the battlefield. By way of comparison, 95 U.S. Marines and four British soldiers were killed in the six-week-long, 2004 battle of Fallujah, the famous Pumbedita of the Talmudists but a small town, fighting some 4,000 Sunni fighters. In Gaza, estimates are that Israel faced approximately 30,000 trained Hamas fighters at the start of the war.

Regardless of what happens from now on, the Gaza fighting to date has been an exceptional feat of arms. A conservative estimate—the lowest I have seen—is that approximately 10,000 Hamas fighters have been killed or terminally disabled, along with an equal number of wounded who may or may not fight again in the future.

The sensational 1 to 50, or near enough, kill ratio achieved by the IDF in fighting Hamas in Gaza is all the more exceptional for reasons that neither official Americans nor official Israelis care to mention, albeit for different reasons.

The first is tactical and technical. Without saying more, it is fair to conclude from news accounts that Israel’s very innovative methods to surveil, penetrate, and destroy Hamas tunnels have been markedly and unexpectedly successful.

But the constraints placed on Israel’s combat operations have been very severe, and a major impediment to its fight.

More: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-winning-gaza (https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-winning-gaza)

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 13, 2024, 01:35:45 am
A SLEEPING GIANT (and now he is pissed off)

It was a mistake to elect the idiot fool Joe Bobama.
It was a mistake to attack Israeli most vulnerable.
Now, the entire Middle East is on a wake up call.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 13, 2024, 07:19:53 pm
Some Americans do go over there, FA and FO.  Remember Rachel "Pancake" Corrie?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie)
Ok ... so 20 years ago some tattooed green hair lesbian went to the West Bank. So what?
I want all of the Hamas supporters ... to support Hamas. Hamas needs you now! You should come now!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on February 13, 2024, 07:48:48 pm
Cairo threatens to suspend the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty signed in Camp David.

F**cking Hell YES!! Jimmy Carter was a FOOL who set the world on fire with Islam!
Take back Gaza, take back Sanai and piss on Jimmuah Carter's grave!
They are just panicked that the peaceful Palestinians will start flooding into their countries, well I hope they do!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 13, 2024, 08:26:16 pm
Ok ... so 20 years ago some tattooed green hair lesbian went to the West Bank. So what?
I want all of the Hamas supporters ... to support Hamas. Hamas needs you now! You should come now!

I agree with this.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 13, 2024, 08:29:09 pm
Cairo threatens to suspend the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty signed in Camp David.

F**cking Hell YES!! Jimmy Carter was a FOOL who set the world on fire with Islam!
Take back Gaza, take back Sanai and piss on Jimmuah Carter's grave!

Yes, one would think that negating the deal should involve the return of the Sinai to Israel.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 13, 2024, 11:34:06 pm
Yes, one would think that negating the deal should involve the return of the Sinai to Israel.

Great point.  Might as well return the Suez Canal, too.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 14, 2024, 01:35:10 am
(https://i.imgur.com/CvF6OJQ.gif)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on February 14, 2024, 01:45:05 am
(https://i.imgur.com/CvF6OJQ.gif)

Joe, you're just one truly amazing guy!  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 14, 2024, 11:14:01 pm
(https://ktla.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/05/gettyimages-1043567870.jpg)

Why did Carter live to be 100 years old. Because it was destine. It was the curse. They wanted him to shit in his own stupidity.

Yes! Sure! I will bring the Ayatollah back to Iran. He is just a stupid old religious guy.

Carter is alive on because  HISTORY want him to feel and to experience just how STUPID liberals and liberalism is.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 15, 2024, 02:59:14 am
Carter is alive on because  HISTORY want him to feel and to experience just how STUPID liberals and liberalism is.

One would think that with all his medical issues, he would have moved to Cuba by now.  He spent decades trashing the American health care free market by saying that Cuba's health care system was better.  Yet not one visit to a Cuban clinic, doctor, or hospital.  Instead, he chooses a private Atlanta hospital instead.  Go figure.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 15, 2024, 07:02:43 am


If he didn't know then, he does now (or not?). Biden has to have a little hurt that he gave wrong advise. Or should.
I'd wager the 'hurt' is on the guy who said that his favorite sound was the Muslim call to prayer.

And to think, just four democrats before that it was "Greensleeves".
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 15, 2024, 08:17:44 pm
Israel Rejects Reported Biden Plan for Palestinian State: ‘Not the Time’ for ‘Gifts’

Israel rejected a reported Biden administration plan for a Palestinian state as the outcome of the war that Hamas began with the October 7 terror attack, saying Thursday that now is “not the time” for “gifts” to the Palestinians for having launched the war.

President Joe Biden and U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken have pressed Israel, publicly and privately, to accept a Palestinian state. The Biden administration reportedly stalled a Saudi-Israeli peace plan, several weeks before the war, pressuring both sides to include a pathway to a Palestinian state. The White House has not changed its focus on a Palestinian state even in the wake of the October 7 terror attacks, which convinced many Israelis, left and right, that a Palestinian state next door would be a disaster.

The Washington Post reported Wednesday that the U.S. and several Arab allies are working on a peace plan that would end the current conflict and include unilateral U.S. recognition of a Palestinian state — whether Israel agrees or not.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/15/israel-rejects-reported-biden-plan-for-palestinian-state-not-the-time-for-gifts/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on February 15, 2024, 08:23:06 pm
Israel is not going to give up control of Gaza so Biden can have his way.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on February 15, 2024, 09:13:15 pm
Israel is not going to give up control of Gaza so Biden can have his way.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 15, 2024, 09:14:32 pm
U.S. recognition of a Palestinian state — whether Israel agrees or not.

Ok ... well ... wait a minute. That is not an 'agreement'. That is an imposition.
So this Islamic America (run by gay Obama) is saying, "We will do whatever the hell we want to do! and F**k you! by the way."
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on February 15, 2024, 10:15:27 pm
U.S. recognition of a Palestinian state — whether Israel agrees or not.

Ok ... well ... wait a minute. That is not an 'agreement'. That is an imposition.
So this Islamic America (run by gay Obama) is saying, "We will do whatever the hell we want to do! and F**k you! by the way."
Am I wrong here, couldn't the Palis have had their independent state decades ago, if they had simply agreed to recognize Israel's right to exist?  **nononono* Once again it's all the JOOOOOS fault.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on February 16, 2024, 12:00:21 am
Biden Admin Set to Reward Palestinians For October 7 Massacre With a State and East Jerusalem as Capital

Legal Insurrection by Vijeta Uniyal Thursday, February 15, 2024

Prime Minister Netanyahu’s Office: “Now is not the time to be speaking about gifts for the Palestinian people.”

The Biden administration is planning to reward the Palestinians for the October 7 massacre by enabling them to create a state with its capital in East Jerusalem, a report published by The Washington Post on Wednesday indicates.

Barely four months after Hamas terrorists slaughtered 1200 Israelis as they raped and pillaged their way through Jewish communities in southern Israel, the Biden White House has reportedly joined hands with Arab states and the European Union to clear the path for statehood for Palestinians — who overwhelmingly support Hamas and other terrorist groups.

Rep. Brian Mast
@RepBrianMast
The Biden Administration wants to create a Palestinian state, but REFUSES to say who would run it or whether they would be considered our ally.

Here's the obvious truth: Hamas is the popularly elected government, and as a result, a Palestinian state would be run by terrorists.

https://twitter.com/RepBrianMast/status/1758140401771307349 (https://twitter.com/RepBrianMast/status/1758140401771307349)

The roadmap for the establishment of a Palestinian state could be announced in the coming weeks, the article suggests. “The Biden administration and a small group of Middle East partners are rushing to complete a detailed, comprehensive plan for long-term peace between Israel and Palestinians, including a firm timeline for the establishment of a Palestinian state, that could be announced as early as the next several weeks,” the WaPo noted.

Under the proposed plan, President Joe Biden is likely to penalize Israelis while rewarding Palestinians. The deal being worked out by the White House would involve the “withdrawal of many, if not all, settler communities on the West Bank” as well as “a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem; the reconstruction of Gaza; and security and governance arrangements for a combined West Bank and Gaza,” the newspaper added.

The Washington Post reported:

    The Biden administration and a small group of Middle East partners are rushing to complete a detailed, comprehensive plan for long-term peace between Israel and Palestinians, including a firm timeline for the establishment of a Palestinian state, that could be announced as early as the next several weeks.

    The urgency of the effort is tied directly to a proposed pause in the fighting and release of hostages held in Gaza by Hamas that is being negotiated by the United States, Qatar and Egypt.

    An initial cease-fire, projected to be at least six weeks, would provide time to make the plan public, recruit additional support and take the initial steps toward its implementation, including the formation of an interim Palestinian government, according to U.S. and Arab officials. Planners hope a hostage agreement can be reached before the beginning of Ramadan, the month of Muslim fasting that begins March 10, lest it compound the deprivation and pressure-cooker atmosphere in Gaza.

    “The key is the hostage deal,” said one U.S. official among several American and Arab diplomats who discussed the subject on the condition of anonymity to avoid derailing the plan before it is completed.

    But even as planning participants — including Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Palestinian representatives, in addition to the United States — work to reach agreement among themselves, there are new fears that a looming Israeli attack on Rafah will throw the Gaza crisis into overdrive and bury both the hostage deal and long-term peace efforts. (…)

More: https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/02/biden-admin-set-to-reward-palestinians-for-october-7-massacre-with-a-state-with-east-jerusalem-as-capital-washington-post-report-suggests/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/02/biden-admin-set-to-reward-palestinians-for-october-7-massacre-with-a-state-with-east-jerusalem-as-capital-washington-post-report-suggests/)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on February 16, 2024, 01:13:27 am
Biden Admin Set to Reward Palestinians For October 7 Massacre With a State and East Jerusalem as Capital

Legal Insurrection by Vijeta Uniyal Thursday, February 15, 2024

Prime Minister Netanyahu’s Office: “Now is not the time to be speaking about gifts for the Palestinian people.”

The Biden administration is planning to reward the Palestinians for the October 7 massacre by enabling them to create a state with its capital in East Jerusalem, a report published by The Washington Post on Wednesday indicates.

Barely four months after Hamas terrorists slaughtered 1200 Israelis as they raped and pillaged their way through Jewish communities in southern Israel, the Biden White House has reportedly joined hands with Arab states and the European Union to clear the path for statehood for Palestinians — who overwhelmingly support Hamas and other terrorist groups.

Rep. Brian Mast
@RepBrianMast
The Biden Administration wants to create a Palestinian state, but REFUSES to say who would run it or whether they would be considered our ally.

Here's the obvious truth: Hamas is the popularly elected government, and as a result, a Palestinian state would be run by terrorists.

https://twitter.com/RepBrianMast/status/1758140401771307349 (https://twitter.com/RepBrianMast/status/1758140401771307349)

The roadmap for the establishment of a Palestinian state could be announced in the coming weeks, the article suggests. “The Biden administration and a small group of Middle East partners are rushing to complete a detailed, comprehensive plan for long-term peace between Israel and Palestinians, including a firm timeline for the establishment of a Palestinian state, that could be announced as early as the next several weeks,” the WaPo noted.

Under the proposed plan, President Joe Biden is likely to penalize Israelis while rewarding Palestinians. The deal being worked out by the White House would involve the “withdrawal of many, if not all, settler communities on the West Bank” as well as “a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem; the reconstruction of Gaza; and security and governance arrangements for a combined West Bank and Gaza,” the newspaper added.

The Washington Post reported:

    The Biden administration and a small group of Middle East partners are rushing to complete a detailed, comprehensive plan for long-term peace between Israel and Palestinians, including a firm timeline for the establishment of a Palestinian state, that could be announced as early as the next several weeks.

    The urgency of the effort is tied directly to a proposed pause in the fighting and release of hostages held in Gaza by Hamas that is being negotiated by the United States, Qatar and Egypt.

    An initial cease-fire, projected to be at least six weeks, would provide time to make the plan public, recruit additional support and take the initial steps toward its implementation, including the formation of an interim Palestinian government, according to U.S. and Arab officials. Planners hope a hostage agreement can be reached before the beginning of Ramadan, the month of Muslim fasting that begins March 10, lest it compound the deprivation and pressure-cooker atmosphere in Gaza.

    “The key is the hostage deal,” said one U.S. official among several American and Arab diplomats who discussed the subject on the condition of anonymity to avoid derailing the plan before it is completed.

    But even as planning participants — including Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Palestinian representatives, in addition to the United States — work to reach agreement among themselves, there are new fears that a looming Israeli attack on Rafah will throw the Gaza crisis into overdrive and bury both the hostage deal and long-term peace efforts. (…)

More: https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/02/biden-admin-set-to-reward-palestinians-for-october-7-massacre-with-a-state-with-east-jerusalem-as-capital-washington-post-report-suggests/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/02/biden-admin-set-to-reward-palestinians-for-october-7-massacre-with-a-state-with-east-jerusalem-as-capital-washington-post-report-suggests/)
Israel owes all of these scum nothing...these bastards set Oct 7th in motion due to their complicity with hamas...smoke 'em all Israel, smoke 'em!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 16, 2024, 11:20:15 am
Excuse me...but what gives Biden any authority over the land use options in the Middle East?

Who the Hell is he to just whip up some new (terrorist) country? from what?

Does he want to start a war so badly he'll piss off everybody in the region?

STFU old man. Let them handle it.

And if you're going to pull out, send the weapons and stuff home too.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on February 16, 2024, 12:57:01 pm
DOD Extends Deployment of Marines Near Gaza

Legal Insurrection by  James Nault Friday, February 16, 2024

Approximately 2,500 Marines to remain on station near Gaza for the final stages of Israel’s takedown of Hamas and rescue of its hostages

As we previously reported, USS Bataan (LHD-5) and its embarked Amphibious Ready Group (ARG), deployed to the Persian Gulf with approximately 2,500 United States Marines, was moved to the Gaza area following the October 7 massacre in Israel: U.S. Military Power Expands in Gaza Area of Operations – An Update:

    [V]ery recent reporting suggests the Bataan and its marines are heading towards Gaza:

Mario Nawfal
@MarioNawfal
🚨JUST IN: U.S. Defense Officials Confirm 2,500 Marines Are En Route to Israel-Gaza-Lebanon Region

Currently En Route:

- Approx 2,500 Marines with the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit

- USS Bataan

- USS Carter Hall

- USS Mesa Verde

Source: USNI News

This was a big deal, as Admiral James Stavridis, legendary in U.S. Navy circles for his many in-depth thought pieces on naval strategy and tactics over the years, and now retired and dean emeritus of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University, explained:

    The administration will want more than the direct combat power of the USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier strike group. That may explain why the warships and Marines were ordered to cut short a training exercise that was scheduled to run through Oct. 22 due to what the Pentagon called “emerging events.”

    USS Bataan, at 40,000 tons and over 800 feet in length, is a smaller version of a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. With conventional propulsion, she has a powerful airwing that typically includes six F-35 strike fighters (with vertical takeoff capability), alongside a dozen of the assault support tiltrotor MV-22 Ospreys to get Marines rapidly ashore in a crisis….

    In addition to the attack aircraft on the ships, the real offensive punch of the force is the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit [MEU] with more than 2,000 Marines. The MEU is configured for special operations, including a significant element of the vaunted Marine special operators, whose training resembles that of the Navy SEALs or the Army Green Berets.

    Overall, the MEU has over 2,000 combat-trained Marines organized into an infantry battalion, an airwing to transport them, and embedded logistics support – everything from water purification systems to big tactical trucks and fast Humvees.

More: https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/02/dod-extends-deployment-of-marines-near-gaza/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/02/dod-extends-deployment-of-marines-near-gaza/)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on February 16, 2024, 02:18:55 pm
KAMALA in Munich: "There cannot be, in my opinion, peace and security for that region — for the people of Israel or the Palestinians and the people of Gaza — without a two-state solution"
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1758494708228104635
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on February 16, 2024, 03:01:21 pm
Munich, how appropriate.

Other than in Trump's Presidency, Foggy Bottom and US Presidents following their mislead have been pushing the "Two State Solution" fantasy for 4 or 5 decades. It hasn't and won't work, because the Arab Palis want a single state - theirs - and millions of dead Jews.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on February 16, 2024, 03:23:57 pm
Munich, how appropriate.

Other than in Trump's Presidency, Foggy Bottom and US Presidents following their mislead have been pushing the "Two State Solution" fantasy for 4 or 5 decades. It hasn't and won't work, because the Arab Palis want a single state - theirs - and millions of dead Jews.

 :yowsa: pointing-up
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 16, 2024, 05:19:24 pm
Munich, how appropriate.

Other than in Trump's Presidency, Foggy Bottom and US Presidents following their mislead have been pushing the "Two State Solution" fantasy for 4 or 5 decades. It hasn't and won't work, because the Arab Palis want a single state - theirs - and millions of dead Jews.

A very accurate assessment.  Biden is trying to decide how Israel operates.  Israel has his number and has repeatedly told their enemy Shortbus Joe to bleep off.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on February 16, 2024, 05:38:06 pm
The Israelis will do what they need to do.

Those tunnels took years and millions of dollars to build.  Rockets weren't free, either.  The financial and logistic networks that supply the Gazans need to be deconstructed.

There cannot be a two state solution when both sides are dedicated to completely driving the other side out of Palestine.

At a SuperBowl party dinner, my wife's aunt, who converted to Judaism, was about to start a tear-fest for Gazans until I said "there was a cease fire on October 6th" and "the Gazans messed with the bull, and now they are getting the horns."  Converstation over.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on February 16, 2024, 07:18:53 pm
The Biden Administration wants to create a Palestinian state, but REFUSES to say who would run it or whether they would be considered our ally.

Here's the obvious truth: Hamas is the popularly elected government, and as a result, a Palestinian state would be run by terrorists.
https://twitter.com/RepBrianMast/status/1758140401771307349
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 16, 2024, 08:15:50 pm

Saudi Arabia, Egypt Threaten Israel With Punitive Measures as IDF Clamps Down on Hamas Terrorist Leadership Hiding in Rafah

Legal Insurrection by Vijeta Uniyal Monday, February 12, 2024

Cairo threatens to suspend the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty signed in Camp David.


Saudi Arabia, Egypt Threaten Israel With Punitive Measures as IDF Clamps Down on Hamas Terrorist Leadership Hiding in Rafah


Legal Insurrection by Vijeta Uniyal Monday, February 12, 2024


Cairo threatens to suspend the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty signed in Camp David.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3lsJmwNO40
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on February 18, 2024, 02:35:57 am
Israel-Gaza war: Latest ceasefire talks not very promising - Qatar

Talks to agree a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas in Gaza were "not very promising" in recent days, mediator Qatar has said.

Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani said he remained optimistic, but added "time is not in our favour".

It comes as Israel's prime minister said he would press ahead with plans for a Rafah ground invasion, despite growing international pressure.

Hamas has blamed Israel for a lack of progress in achieving a ceasefire deal.

Talks have been taking place in Cairo as senior officials from the US, Israel, Egypt and Qatar meet to try to broker a pause in fighting.

"The pattern in the last few days [is] not really very promising but, as I always repeat, we will always remain optimistic and will always remain pushing," said Sheik Mohammed, speaking at a meeting of world leaders at the Munich Security Conference.

"I believe in this agreement we are talking at a bigger scale and we still see some difficulties on the humanitarian part of these negotiations," he added.

But he said a truce should not be dependent on a deal to release the hostages held by Hamas.

"This is the dilemma that we've been in and unfortunately that's been misused by a lot of countries - that in order to get a ceasefire, it's conditional to have the hostage deal," he said.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he sent negotiators following a request from US President Joe Biden, but added they did not return for further discussions because Hamas's demands were "delusional"................

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68326788
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on February 18, 2024, 02:44:32 am
Israel-Gaza war: Latest ceasefire talks not very promising - Qatar

Talks to agree a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas in Gaza were "not very promising" in recent days, mediator Qatar has said.

Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani said he remained optimistic, but added "time is not in our favour".

It comes as Israel's prime minister said he would press ahead with plans for a Rafah ground invasion, despite growing international pressure.

Hamas has blamed Israel for a lack of progress in achieving a ceasefire deal.

Talks have been taking place in Cairo as senior officials from the US, Israel, Egypt and Qatar meet to try to broker a pause in fighting.

"The pattern in the last few days [is] not really very promising but, as I always repeat, we will always remain optimistic and will always remain pushing," said Sheik Mohammed, speaking at a meeting of world leaders at the Munich Security Conference.

"I believe in this agreement we are talking at a bigger scale and we still see some difficulties on the humanitarian part of these negotiations," he added.

But he said a truce should not be dependent on a deal to release the hostages held by Hamas.

"This is the dilemma that we've been in and unfortunately that's been misused by a lot of countries - that in order to get a ceasefire, it's conditional to have the hostage deal," he said.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he sent negotiators following a request from US President Joe Biden, but added they did not return for further discussions because Hamas's demands were "delusional"................

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68326788
"I believe in this agreement we are talking at a bigger scale and we still see some difficulties on the humanitarian part of these negotiations," he added.

But he said a truce should not be dependent on a deal to release the hostages held by Hamas.
What a duplicitous piece of $h!t. Trading for pali lives is ok, but not for Israelis...eff you! Good show Bibi!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: jafo2010 on February 18, 2024, 10:01:16 am
The disgrace of the Biden Idiocracy knows no bounds.  When this POS is finished, I would be surprised if we have any friends left in the world.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 18, 2024, 02:42:33 pm
Netanyahu Defies Biden with Unanimous Vote Against Imposed Palestinian State

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defied U.S. President Joe Biden on Sunday by submitting a version of Biden’s peace plan to his government, including a Palestinian state imposed from outside, to a vote — and having it rejected unanimously.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/18/netanyahu-defies-biden-with-unanimous-vote-against-imposed-palestinian-state/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on February 18, 2024, 03:16:26 pm
Netanyahu Defies Biden with Unanimous Vote Against Imposed Palestinian State

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defied U.S. President Joe Biden on Sunday by submitting a version of Biden’s peace plan to his government, including a Palestinian state imposed from outside, to a vote — and having it rejected unanimously.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/18/netanyahu-defies-biden-with-unanimous-vote-against-imposed-palestinian-state/

From the article:

Quote
The Prime Minister’s Office released the following statement:

Quote
The Israeli Government has unanimously approved a declaratory decision regarding Israel’s opposition to international diktats.

The text of the final statement:

1. Israel utterly rejects international diktats regarding a permanent settlement with the Palestinians. A settlement, if it is to be reached, will come about solely through direct negotiations between the parties, without preconditions.

2. Israel will continue to oppose unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state. Such recognition in the wake of the October 7th massacre would be a massive and unprecedented reward to terrorism and would prevent any future peace settlement.

Israel obstinately refuses to obey LIEden and the antisemites of his maladministration. Or at least that's how LIEden views Israel's actions.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 19, 2024, 12:29:53 am
From the article:


Israel obstinately refuses to obey LIEden and the antisemites of his maladministration. Or at least that's how LIEden views Israel's actions.

So what's Biden gonna do?  Give money to Hamas and their Iranian backers?  Oh wait, he already is.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 19, 2024, 02:51:04 pm
Israel Issues Ultimatum to Hamas: Release Hostages or Suffer the Consequences
By Jeff Charles | 10:03 PM on February 18, 2024

In a bold declaration that could have a significant impact on the war in Gaza, Israel has issued a stern ultimatum to Hamas: Release the hostages or spend Ramadan dodging Israeli rockets. This development comes as the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) are working to rescue hostages taken during Hamas’ October 7 surprise attack on Israel.
The ultimatum was issued by Benny Gantz, a member of Israel’s war cabinet on Sunday.

    “The world must know, and Hamas leaders must know — if by Ramadan our hostages are not home, the fighting will continue everywhere, to include the Rafah area,” Gantz said.

    The holy Muslim month of Ramadan begins this year on March 10.

    “We will do so in a coordinated manner, facilitating the evacuation of civilians in dialogue with our American and Egyptian partners to minimize civilian casualties,” the former IDF chief of staff and defense minister told the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, as they convened in Jerusalem.

    “To those saying the price [of an offensive] is too high, I say this very clearly: Hamas has a choice — they can surrender, release the hostages, and the citizens of Gaza will be able to celebrate the holy holiday of Ramadan,” he said.

more
https://redstate.com/jeffc/2024/02/18/israel-issues-ultimatum-to-hamas-release-hostages-or-suffer-the-consequences-n2170316
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 19, 2024, 03:36:09 pm
Israel has issued a stern ultimatum to Hamas: Release the hostages or spend Ramadan dodging Israeli rockets.

Sounds OK to me.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 19, 2024, 05:47:15 pm
 IDF finds video of Hamas hostages Kfir Bibas, 1, mom and brother alive in early days of war
By Social Links for Yaron Steinbuch
Published Feb. 19, 2024, 12:04 p.m. ET


Israel has found video of Shiri Bibas and her two children — including the youngest hostage being held by Hamas – from the early days of the war in what is the first sign of proof that the trio even survived Oct. 7.

The Israel Defense Forces has shown the footage of Shiri, 1-year-old Kfir and 4-year-old Ariel to their family, who were told the video was found in a tunnel or hiding spot, the Jerusalem Post reported.

A family rep said the video shows the captives “arriving in Gaza alive. Hamas is the one solely responsible for the safety of Shiri, Ariel and Kfir,” according to the Times of Israel.

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/02/horrifying-video-shows-hamas-gunmen-76796821.jpg?quality=75&strip=all)

Horrifying video showed Hamas gunmen kidnapping Israeli mom Shiri Bibas and her two young sons

Hamas has claimed that the 32-year-old woman and her kids were killed during an Israeli strike without offering proof, and the assertions were never verified by Israeli authorities.

The family patriarch, Yarden, also was taken hostage but was separated from his wife and children.

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https://nypost.com/2024/02/19/world-news/idf-finds-video-of-hamas-hostages-kfir-bibas-1-mom-and-brother-alive-in-gaza/
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 19, 2024, 06:26:43 pm
I can't even let my mind go there.

Me neither.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 19, 2024, 09:12:48 pm
WATCH: Video Emerges of Bibas Family Abduction in Gaza; Netanyahu Reacts

Joel B. Pollak 19 Feb 2024

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Isaac Herzog reacted Monday to the release of surveillance video showing the abduction of Shiri Bibas and her young children on October 7 by reiterating their call the release of all Israeli hostages.

The Bibas and her small children — Ariel, 4, and Kfir, 1 — were abducted and are believed to be alive, though Hamas claimed they had been killed in an Israeli airstrike. Hamas also released a hostage video of Yarden Bibas, the husband and father of the family.

The redheaded mother-and-children trio have become iconic symbols of the more than 130 Israeli hostages still in captivity. Kfir was an infant when kidnapped and turned one year old in captivity.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1759619412821172716

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/19/watch-netanyahu-herzog-react-to-video-of-bibas-family-abduction-in-gaza/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 19, 2024, 11:10:03 pm
Betrayed: Biden Proposes Anti-Israel Temporary ‘Ceasefire’ Resolution at United Nations Security Council

President Joe Biden plans to introduce a resolution at the United Nations Security Council calling for a temporary “ceasefire” and demanding Israel refrain from conducting an attack on the last Hamas battalions in Gaza that are the key to winning the war.

Joel B. Pollak19 Feb 202416
3:45

President Joe Biden plans to introduce a resolution at the United Nations Security Council calling for a temporary “ceasefire” and demanding Israel refrain from conducting an attack on the last Hamas battalions in Gaza that are the key to winning the war.

Israel has been adamant that it must attack Hamas in Rafah, a city in southern Gaza on the Egyptian border, to win the war. Rafah is the last stronghold of the Palestinian terror organization, and also the key to smuggling routes into and out of Gaza.

The White House has said publicly that it would not support an attack on Rafah, at least without an evacuation of civilians. Even after Israel promised to develop a plan to evacuate civilians, the Biden administration has opposed an Israeli operation in Gaza.

That opposition has continued despite a successful Israeli raid last Monday that rescued two civilian Israeli hostages from Rafah. It has become evident that Biden intends to let Hamas survive, to use it as leverage to force Israel to accept a Palestinian state.

The U.S. promised to veto a resolution, set to be introduced Tuesday by Algeria, calling for a permanent ceasefire. But the Times of Israel reported Monday on a draft alternative resolution by the U.S. that would use the word “ceasefire,” in a temporary sense.

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/19/betrayed-biden-proposes-anti-israel-temporary-ceasefire-resolution-at-united-nations-security-council/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on February 19, 2024, 11:25:10 pm
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President Joe Biden plans to introduce a resolution at the United Nations Security Council calling for a temporary “ceasefire” and demanding Israel refrain from conducting an attack on the last Hamas battalions in Gaza that are the key to winning the war.
Words are insufficient to describe his idiocy.
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Gary Weiss
@gary_weiss
No mention of hostages in the report, indicating that Team Biden is no longer exploiting the hostages to demand a Hamas victory. It's simply abandoned the hostages---including the American ones. Kabul all over again. And make no mistake. This is ALL about placating the far left.
2:47 PM · Feb 19, 2024


The U.S. is officially transferring its support from Israel to Hamas in the single greatest gift to genocidal terrorists in history.
https://twitter.com/CarolineGlick/status/1759712970961989862
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: berdie on February 19, 2024, 11:49:03 pm
Words are insufficient to describe his idiocy.

The U.S. is officially transferring its support from Israel to Hamas in the single greatest gift to genocidal terrorists in history.
https://twitter.com/CarolineGlick/status/1759712970961989862



That is heart breaking. Stand tall BiBi.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 19, 2024, 11:51:03 pm
Caroline Glick
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The U.S. is officially transferring its support from Israel to Hamas in the single greatest gift to genocidal terrorists in history.

The End Times must be drawing nigh.  And the US will go out as a goat nation.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 20, 2024, 01:08:27 am
The End Times must be drawing nigh.  And the US will go out as a goat nation.

Too bad, we need a Lamb, not a Goat.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on February 20, 2024, 02:21:22 am


That is heart breaking. Stand tall BiBi.

Ditto.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on February 20, 2024, 06:23:25 pm
Betrayed: Biden Proposes Anti-Israel Temporary ‘Ceasefire’ Resolution at United Nations Security Council

President Joe Biden plans to introduce a resolution at the United Nations Security Council calling for a temporary “ceasefire” and demanding Israel refrain from conducting an attack on the last Hamas battalions in Gaza that are the key to winning the war.
...

Hamas' 10/7 invasion proved Hamas is an existential threat. In the face of that Israel has shown it is willing to tell LIEden to F off. Israel will probably find telling UN anti-Semites to F off even easier.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on February 20, 2024, 06:57:21 pm
Hamas' 10/7 invasion proved Hamas is an existential threat. In the face of that Israel has shown it is willing to tell LIEden to F off. Israel will probably find telling UN anti-Semites to F off even easier.

Hopefully so.  :yowsa:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 20, 2024, 08:00:24 pm
U.S. Vetoes ‘Ceasefire’ Resolution, but Prepares Another

The United States vetoed a United Nations Security Council resolution Tuesday calling for a permanent ceasefire in the war between Israel and Hamas terrorists in Gaza, but has prepared its own resolution calling for a “temporary” ceasefire.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/20/u-s-vetoes-ceasefire-resolution-but-prepares-another/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2024, 08:07:47 pm
When have the Palestinians ever abide by a UN Resolution?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 20, 2024, 08:58:03 pm
There was a "ceasefire" between Israel and the Pallies in effect on October 6th, 2023.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 21, 2024, 05:24:43 pm
***WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT *** Israel Releases Initial Report on Hamas Sexual Violence October 7

Joel B. Pollak 21 Feb 2024

Israel released an initial report Wednesday into sexual violence committed by Hamas during the October 7 terror attack.

The report, compiled by the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel (ARCCI), was carefully compiled from eyewitness testimonies and the available forensic evidence. As Breitbart News reported in November, accusations of rape, sexual assault, and other acts of sexual violence were initially difficult to compile because Israeli authorities were focused on stopping the Hamas attack.

However, in the weeks that followed, eyewitnesses began to come forward and to describe sexual violence, much of it deeply sadistic, against both women and men, both during the October 7 attack and against Israeli hostages held by Hamas in Gaza.

The new report describes horrific atrocities, including gang rape; the mutilation of female and male genitals; the physical and psychological torture of rape victims; and evidence that relatives and friends of victims were forced to watch these sexual assaults.

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/21/warning-graphic-content-israel-releases-initial-report-on-hamas-sexual-violence-october-7/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 22, 2024, 02:33:30 am
Take no prisoners.  Israel should not relent until every one of these sick barbaric animals has taken his/her place in the BURNING LAKE OF FIRE.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 22, 2024, 02:37:55 pm
Armed Civilian Shoots Terrorist, Saves Lives in Terror Attack Near Jerusalem

Hananya Ben Shimon, 23, an Israeli reservist fresh from military service in Gaza, shot and killed one of three Palestinian terrorists who had opened fire on civilians stuck in traffic on Thursday near Jerusalem, helping to stop the deadly attack.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/22/armed-civilian-shoots-terrorist-saves-lives-in-terror-attack-near-jerusalem/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on February 22, 2024, 04:20:58 pm
1.) There were no Israeli troops in Gaza on October 6, 2023.
2.) There was a ceasefire on October 6, 2023.

Hamas is the aggressor.  Hamas could end this now by surrendering and releasing all the hostages.  But Hamas won't do that because they know the Western Press will run sad-sap stories about suffering Palestinian babies to gin up support for a ceasefire that advanatges Hamas.  Hamas doesn't give a damn about Palestinians, Palestinians mothers, nor Palestinian babies.

The best thing Gazans can do for themselves is to turn on Hamas, and kill Hamas personnel much like Los Pepes killed memebers Pablo Escobar's drug cartel.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 23, 2024, 10:51:21 am
It would be so cool if Israel invaded Cairo and took 500 women and children as hostages, while murdering everyone else.
The American Left would love it. The American Left would claim the Israelis are the "victims".
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 23, 2024, 03:08:51 pm
Netanyahu Presents Plan for ‘The Day After Hamas’ in Gaza

Joel B. Pollak 22 Feb 2024

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented his plan for “the day after” Hamas is defeated in Gaza to his Cabinet on Thursday, calling for local officials without links to terrorism to run the government, and Israel to exercise military control.

Shaiel Ben-Ephraim
@academic_la
With the day after possibly a few days away, Netanyahu has finally released his plan. Here is a full translation:

In the immediate term:

*It is an absolutely essential condition that the IDF continue to fight until it has reached all of its goals, the destruction of Hams and Islamic Jihad in terms of military, infrastructure, and governance capabilities, the return of the hostages, and the prevention of a threat from Gaza for the long term.

In the longer term:

The security sector:
1)  Israel will maintain its operational freedom in Gaza, without a time limit, to prevent the renewal of terrorism and prevent threats from Gaza.
2) The security perimeter in Gaza on the border with Israel will remain as long as there is a security need for it.
3) Israel will close the Egypt_Gaza border in order to stop the rearmament of terror groups in Gaza. The border will be closed, as much as possible, in cooperation with the US and Egypt, and will be based on efforts to prevent arms smuggling above and below ground, including in Rafah.
4) Israel will militarily control all areas to the west of the Jordan River, including the Gaza envelope (land, air, sea, spectrum), to stop the rearmament and strengthening of terror organizations in Judea and Samaria and Gaza, to prevent threats emanating from them towards Israel.
5) There will be total disarmament of Gaza, aside from what is needed for civil order. The responsibility for guaranteeing this will fall to Israel.

In  the civil sector:

1) As much as possible, the civil administration and public order will fall to local actors with administrative experience. These local actors will not be identified with states or organizations supporting terror and will not be paid by them.
2) A plan for deradicalization will be advanced in all religious, educational, and welfare institutions in Gaza. All this will be done through cooperation with Arab states with experience in deradicalization in their territory.
3) Israel will act to close UNRWA, whose workers were involved in the October 7 massacre and whose schools encouraged the destruction of Israel. They will be replaced with responsible international welfare institutions.
4) Rebuilding Gaza will only be allowed after the demilitarization has been completed and when the radicalization has begun. The rebuilding plan will be financed and led by states acceptable to Israel.

In the long term:

Basic criteria for a future peaceful settlement.
* Israel rejects out-of-hand unilateral demands on a future settlement with the Palestinians. The terms will be decided through direct negotiations without preconditions.
* Israel will continue to oppose a unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state. A recognition of this sort will offer a massive and unprecedented prize for the terrorism perpetrated on October 7 and will prevent any peaceful resolution of the conflict.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/22/netanyahu-presents-plan-for-the-day-after-hamas-in-gaza/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on February 23, 2024, 06:57:16 pm
Mike Pompeo
@mikepompeo
Judea and Samaria are rightful parts of the Jewish homeland, and Israelis have a right to live there.

President Biden's decision to overturn our policy and call Israeli 'settlements' illegal will not further the cause of peace. It rewards Hamas for its brutal attacks on October 7th and punishes Israel instead. These Israeli communities are not standing in the way of peace; militant Palestinian terrorism is.
12:47 PM · Feb 23, 2024
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: rangerrebew on February 24, 2024, 02:04:38 pm
ISRAELI RAMADAN ULTIMATUM: Either Hamas frees all hostages by Ramadan or the IDF will smash the terrorists’ last stronghold in Rafah during the Muslim holy month
FEBRUARY 24, 2024 BY BARENAKEDISLAM2 COMMENTS
Ramadan begins on March 11th this year. Looks like Israel could be a major contributor to the annual “Ramadan Bombathon.”

https://barenakedislam.com/2024/02/24/israeli-ramadan-ultimatum-either-hamas-frees-all-hostages-by-ramadan-or-the-idf-will-smash-the-terrorists-last-stronghold-in-rafah-during-the-muslim-holy-month/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 24, 2024, 03:06:05 pm
Biden, to Appease Palestinians, Reverses Trump Policy on Legality of Settlements

Joel B. Pollak 23 Feb 2024

President Joe Biden attempted to appease Palestinians Friday by reversing a Donald Trump-era policy Friday that declared the presence of Israeli communities in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) to be legal under international law.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who has taken an increasingly hostile tone toward Israel, declared that settlements were “”inconsistent with international law,” reverting to a policy adopted by Barack Obama during the lame-duck weeks of his administration in 2016.

Trump reversed the Obama policy in 2019.

The decision was likely taken to appease domestic constituencies, including Muslim- and Arab-American voters in swing states like Michigan, who have been unhappy with the Biden administration’s (increasingly doubtful) support for Israel against Hamas.

However it also serves as a reward for Hamas terrorists, who can now claim that by launching a terror attack on October 7 that murdered 1200 people in Israel, and by seizing nearly 250 hostages, it has reversed U.S. support for Israel in Judea and Samaria.

https://twitter.com/EVKontorovich/status/1761129641597640779

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/23/biden-to-appease-palestinians-reverses-trump-policy-on-legality-of-settlements/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 24, 2024, 07:04:26 pm
https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/1761449202112958719
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 24, 2024, 11:20:33 pm
Hostage and ceasefire negotiations get closer to a deal
By
Misty Severi
February 24, 2024 4:36 pm

A new proposal for a ceasefire and hostage exchange presented by American, Egyptian, and Qatari officials was floated to their Israeli counterparts on Friday in Paris.

The proposal suggested that Israel release hundreds of Palestinian prisoners in exchange for 40 from Hamas, plus a six-week ceasefire. The Hamas-held hostages include both civilian and military women, men over 50, and Israelis in serious medical condition.

Neither side has agreed to the terms so far, but U.S. officials note that some progress has been made. However, they claim the completion of a deal is still a ways off.

“We are working to get another framework for the release of our hostages, as well as the completion of the elimination of the Hamas battalions in Rafah,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement obtained by Axios on Saturday. “Only a combination of military pressure and tough negotiations will lead to the release of our hostages, the elimination of Hamas and the achievement of all the war’s objectives.”

The proposal would also allow some Palestinians to start returning to the northern part of the Gaza Strip, but details on how many people can return and where will be determined in a later phase of the negotiations.

The Biden administration is hoping a ceasefire deal will be reached by the start of Ramadan in two weeks. Officials also hope to begin the next part of negotiations over the next few days.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign-policy/2881529/hostage-ceasefire-negotiations-closer-to-deal/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on February 25, 2024, 03:05:15 pm
Israel's responses need to be:

1. YGTBFKM!

2. Why are you aiding the people who invaded us, killed us, raped us, and abducted us?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 25, 2024, 03:41:57 pm
In Paris, Israel and mediators agree on outline for hostage deal, pending Hamas okay

War cabinet votes to send delegation to Qatar for more talks; framework said to include 6-week truce, release of some 40 hostage women, children, female soldiers, elderly, ill

By ToI Staff and Agencies 24 February 2024, 9:37 pm Updated: Today, 2:29 am

An Israeli delegation of top security officials returned from talks in Paris on Saturday as reports spread of growing hope in Jerusalem that a new hostage release deal with Hamas could be within reach.

Israel’s war cabinet was conferring by telephone on Saturday evening to discuss the emerging “outline of an agreement,” described by an Israeli official cited widely in media as a “basis on which to build a plan and the principles for negotiations.”

“There’s significant progress and a solid basis for discussions,” the official said.

At the same time, an Israeli official told The Times of Israel that while there was optimism in Israeli media about the likelihood of a deal, the delegation itself was more cautious.

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-paris-israel-and-mediators-agree-on-outline-for-hostage-deal-pending-hamas-okay/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 25, 2024, 03:49:31 pm
Not to worry...Hamas will scotch the deal.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 25, 2024, 06:33:31 pm

Netanyahu: Once We Begin the Rafah Operation, Victory Is ‘Weeks Away’

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation” that victory in their war with Hamas was “weeks away” once the Israeli military operation began in Rafah, a Palestinian city in the southern Gaza Strip.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/02/25/netanyahu-once-we-begin-the-rafah-operation-victory-is-weeks-away/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on February 25, 2024, 11:24:17 pm
If the Biden/Obama regime is elected again, I have no doubt we will see American forces attacking Israeli positions in Gaza and the West Bank.

The only thing stopping Bobama from attack NOW ... TODAY is the election. If they manage to get that behind them, then nothing will hold them back from fighting on the side of Hamas/PLO/Hezbollah and Iran.

It is clearly obvious that is what they want to do.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 25, 2024, 11:31:10 pm
Gonna be hard to produce hostages when most are likely dead.

Yep.  I suspect Hamas had already run out of live hostages during the first deal.  Which is why they broke off the agreement.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 26, 2024, 01:13:32 am
If the Biden/Obama regime is elected again, I have no doubt we will see American forces attacking Israeli positions in Gaza and the West Bank.

The only thing stopping Bobama from attack NOW ... TODAY is the election. If they manage to get that behind them, then nothing will hold them back from fighting on the side of Hamas/PLO/Hezbollah and Iran.

It is clearly obvious that is what they want to do.
Recall Obama's favorite sound...
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on February 26, 2024, 05:08:38 am
https://twitter.com/NetanelWorthy/status/1759375723448385898
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on February 27, 2024, 01:27:12 pm
 Biden: Israel willing to halt war during Ramadan if hostage deal reached
by Tara Suter - 02/27/24 8:14 AM ET

President Biden suggested Israel will be willing to halt its war in Gaza during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, but only if a deal to release hostages held by Hamas is reached.

“Ramadan’s coming up and there has been an agreement by the Israelis that they would not engage in activities during Ramadan as well, in order to give us time to get all the hostages out,” Biden said Monday on NBC’s “Late Night With Seth Meyers.”

As concerns have risen globally over Israel’s potential invasion of the southern city of Rafah in Gaza — where many Palestinians have sheltered there among the war — Ramadan, which begins March 10, is perceived as an unofficial deal deadline.

Biden, however, said he thinks Israel has decelerated the bombardment of Rafah, according to the The Associated Press.

“They have to and they have made a commitment to me that they’re going to see to it that there’s an ability to evacuate significant portions of Rafah before they go and take out the remainder Hamas,” the president said. “But it’s a process.”

Israeli officials were surprised by his comments, and said they did not come in coordination with leadership, per the AP. A Hamas official also deemphasized any feeling of progress and said the group would not lessen on its demands, the news wire reported.

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https://thehill.com/policy/international/4490874-biden-israel-willing-to-halt-war-during-ramadan/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on February 29, 2024, 01:50:45 pm
Hamas supporters claim Israeli forces fired on desperate "Palestinians" simply trying to get stuff from aid trucks. Truth is that they trampled each other and the trucks hit them.

Video from Twitter:

Not one of these people have a single bullet wound. These civilians attacked the aid convoy in the thousands and the trucks rode over them as well as many trampled over each other.
How do I know this? Because there is a video showing it happen:
https://twitter.com/CherylWroteIt/status/1763191758005883299
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on February 29, 2024, 05:41:59 pm
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Hamas supporters claim Israeli forces fired on desperate "Palestinians" simply trying to get stuff from aid trucks.

In the real world a few months ago it was doing this so they could raid the aid trucks. But the MSM will insta-publish Hamas' lies on page A-1 and if they correct it, the correction will be on page ZZ-28
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 29, 2024, 08:24:53 pm
I think you have to be a Gen Xer to get this.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on February 29, 2024, 08:46:22 pm
Richard Goldberg
@rich_goldberg
A member of the Palestinian security forces killed two Jews in a terrorist attack today. Many more in the PA security forces have been involved in terrorism for months.

The US assigns a three-star general to oversee and advise the PA security forces. He spends his days sending anti-Israel propaganda to Capitol Hill creating a false narrative of rising “settler violence.”

Why aren’t we demanding General Fenzel do his job? Have we considered that his complete abdication of core mission and mandate has allowed this to happen?

Where is the audit of the PA security forces?

Where is the pause on any consideration of recognizing a Palestinian state until we root out terrorists from its security forces?

This is a major threat to peace and stability - no one’s plans for what comes next will be workable if terror cells permeate the PA security forces.
2:11 PM · Feb 29, 2024
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on February 29, 2024, 09:15:33 pm
Hamas will only release hostages to buy time to re-arm and recruit.

Hamas has money for rockets, tunnels, and miltary training, but no money for baby formula?  Tsk tsk tsk

Hamas steals aid shiments?  Tsk tsk tsk

Hamas makes poor choices for the Gazans that "elected" them.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 29, 2024, 09:35:32 pm
Hamas will only release hostages to buy time to re-arm and recruit.

Hamas has money for rockets, tunnels, and miltary training, but no money for baby formula?  Tsk tsk tsk

Hamas steals aid shiments?  Tsk tsk tsk

Hamas makes poor choices for the Gazans that "elected" them.

...but really good choices for themselves!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 01, 2024, 04:14:40 pm
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
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45m
Initial Reports of a Mass Casualty Incident in Gaza City following an Explosion and the Collapse of a Building being used by the Israel Defense Force as Temporary Military Housing, with at least 15 Soldiers being Killed and many Dozen Injured.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on March 01, 2024, 06:43:36 pm
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
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45m
Initial Reports of a Mass Casualty Incident in Gaza City following an Explosion and the Collapse of a Building being used by the Israel Defense Force as Temporary Military Housing, with at least 15 Soldiers being Killed and many Dozen Injured.
**nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 01, 2024, 08:27:35 pm
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
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45m
Initial Reports of a Mass Casualty Incident in Gaza City following an Explosion and the Collapse of a Building being used by the Israel Defense Force as Temporary Military Housing, with at least 15 Soldiers being Killed and many Dozen Injured.

So basically, these 'innocent' [sic] Gaza civilians (whom Biden is about to shower with US aid) tipped off Hamas about the Israeli presence in this building, likely going as far as providing intel and assisting in the placement of explosives.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 01, 2024, 08:50:18 pm
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1763662954577174947
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 01, 2024, 08:57:27 pm
https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1763669159139782805
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on March 01, 2024, 09:54:39 pm
And by Gaza, we mean Ukraine, er, we mean Israel, no wait, we mean someplace else entirely. Airdrops into Delaware, maybe.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 02, 2024, 09:23:02 pm
 Israel agrees to framework of proposed 6-week cease-fire in Gaza: Report
by Filip Timotija   
03/02/24 4:01 PM ET


Israel has reportedly agreed to the framework of a proposed temporary cease-fire and hostage release in Gaza that comes after weeks of negotiations by international mediators.

The Israelis “have more or less accepted” the framework and now the ball is in Hamas’ court to agree to the terms, a senior U.S. administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told the The Associated Press Saturday, a day before talks will continue in Egypt.

The deal, if accepted by all sides, will reportedly include a six-week cease-fire and Hamas would release hostages considered at risk, according to the U.S. official. The framework would also include a larger influx of humanitarian aid into Gaza as thousands of Palestinians, around one-quarter of Gaza’s residents, are a step away from famine, according to a senior U.N. official.

The response from Hamas about the proposed deal is expected on Sunday, a senior Egyptian official who spoke on condition of anonymity told the AP.

Scrutiny of Israel has intensified as more than 30,000 Palestinians have been killed and hundreds of thousands are battling for survival in northern Gaza following retaliation by Israel after Hamas’ terrorist attack on Israel on Oct. 7 that left over 1,200 Israelis dead.

The U.S. Air Forces Central began air dropping aid into Gaza on Saturday. President Biden announced the plan on Friday, reiterating that he believes the U.S. and others need to do more to help Palestinians.

This comes as one in six children in Gaza under the age of two suffer from malnutrition, according to the U.N. official, per the AP.

The proposed cease-fire comes as more than 100 Palestinians died in Gaza City when trying to access humanitarian aid from the convoy delivering food. Palestinians have accused Israel of firing at civilians while Israeli officials said their forces only shot those who were a threat.

more
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4503940-israel-agrees-to-framework-of-proposed-ceasefire-gaza/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 02, 2024, 09:58:45 pm
Israel agrees to framework of proposed 6-week cease-fire in Gaza: Report
by Filip Timotija   
03/02/24 4:01 PM ET


Israel has reportedly agreed to the framework of a proposed temporary cease-fire and hostage release in Gaza that comes after weeks of negotiations by international mediators.

The Israelis “have more or less accepted” the framework and now the ball is in Hamas’ court to agree to the terms, a senior U.S. administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told the The Associated Press Saturday, a day before talks will continue in Egypt.

The deal, if accepted by all sides, will reportedly include a six-week cease-fire and Hamas would release hostages considered at risk, according to the U.S. official. The framework would also include a larger influx of humanitarian aid into Gaza as thousands of Palestinians, around one-quarter of Gaza’s residents, are a step away from famine, according to a senior U.N. official.

The response from Hamas about the proposed deal is expected on Sunday, a senior Egyptian official who spoke on condition of anonymity told the AP.

Scrutiny of Israel has intensified as more than 30,000 Palestinians have been killed and hundreds of thousands are battling for survival in northern Gaza following retaliation by Israel after Hamas’ terrorist attack on Israel on Oct. 7 that left over 1,200 Israelis dead.

The U.S. Air Forces Central began air dropping aid into Gaza on Saturday. President Biden announced the plan on Friday, reiterating that he believes the U.S. and others need to do more to help Palestinians.

This comes as one in six children in Gaza under the age of two suffer from malnutrition, according to the U.N. official, per the AP.

The proposed cease-fire comes as more than 100 Palestinians died in Gaza City when trying to access humanitarian aid from the convoy delivering food. Palestinians have accused Israel of firing at civilians while Israeli officials said their forces only shot those who were a threat.

more
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4503940-israel-agrees-to-framework-of-proposed-ceasefire-gaza/

Hamas will "accept" the deal, and resume replenishing their missile stocks and rebuilding tunnels.  Then, in the near future, they will slaughter Israelis again and start new missile barrages.

It's obvious.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on March 02, 2024, 10:13:46 pm
Hamas will "accept" the deal, and resume replenishing their missile stocks and rebuilding tunnels.  Then, in the near future, they will slaughter Israelis again and start new missile barrages.

It's obvious.

You are absolutely right and I can't believe that Bibi agreed to this.  Doubtful that there are any hostages in any kind of decent shape to release; tortured, maimed, and raped.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on March 02, 2024, 10:53:25 pm
Israel agrees to framework of proposed 6-week cease-fire in Gaza: Report
by Filip Timotija   
03/02/24 4:01 PM ET


Israel has reportedly agreed to the framework of a proposed temporary cease-fire and hostage release in Gaza that comes after weeks of negotiations by international mediators.

The Israelis “have more or less accepted” the framework and now the ball is in Hamas’ court to agree to the terms, a senior U.S. administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told the The Associated Press Saturday, a day before talks will continue in Egypt.

The deal, if accepted by all sides, will reportedly include a six-week cease-fire and Hamas would release hostages considered at risk, according to the U.S. official. The framework would also include a larger influx of humanitarian aid into Gaza as thousands of Palestinians, around one-quarter of Gaza’s residents, are a step away from famine, according to a senior U.N. official.

The response from Hamas about the proposed deal is expected on Sunday, a senior Egyptian official who spoke on condition of anonymity told the AP.

Scrutiny of Israel has intensified as more than 30,000 Palestinians have been killed and hundreds of thousands are battling for survival in northern Gaza following retaliation by Israel after Hamas’ terrorist attack on Israel on Oct. 7 that left over 1,200 Israelis dead.

The U.S. Air Forces Central began air dropping aid into Gaza on Saturday. President Biden announced the plan on Friday, reiterating that he believes the U.S. and others need to do more to help Palestinians.

This comes as one in six children in Gaza under the age of two suffer from malnutrition, according to the U.N. official, per the AP.

The proposed cease-fire comes as more than 100 Palestinians died in Gaza City when trying to access humanitarian aid from the convoy delivering food. Palestinians have accused Israel of firing at civilians while Israeli officials said their forces only shot those who were a threat.

more
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4503940-israel-agrees-to-framework-of-proposed-ceasefire-gaza/
"Scrutiny of Israel has intensified as more than 30,000 Palestinians have been killed and hundreds of thousands are battling for survival in northern Gaza"
I'm sure they're counting the subhuman scum who deserved their fate and were rightfully killed. So maybe a few hundred "collateral" casualties? But given their celebrations of mass murders, they've gotten off light.
"following retaliation by Israel"
And just what in the ever living hell was Israel supposed to do? Forget it happened?
"after Hamas’ terrorist attack on Israel on Oct. 7 that left over 1,200 Israelis dead."
A very "neat" way to say slaughtered, mutiliated, dismembered, etc.

Eff The Hill.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 02, 2024, 10:56:38 pm
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The U.S. Air Forces Central began air dropping aid into Gaza on Saturday. President Biden announced the plan on Friday, reiterating that he believes the U.S. and others need to do more to help Palestinians.

And where will that aid go?

Why are we funding both sides?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on March 02, 2024, 10:56:48 pm
Hamas will "accept" the deal, and resume replenishing their missile stocks and rebuilding tunnels.  Then, in the near future, they will slaughter Israelis again and start new missile barrages.

It's obvious.
Yep...unfortunately Israel once again finds itself "at odds" with the rest of the world. Now she must compromise her people and sacrifice them, again. What an insane world we live in that supports and defends sub-human savages over a country that just wants to live in peace.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 02, 2024, 11:39:13 pm
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
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1h
Senior U.S. Official are reporting that Israel has Agreed to a 6-Week Ceasefire in the Gaza Strip which will include a Release of Israeli Hostages and Palestinian Prisoners, but that they are awaiting a Response to the Ceasefire from Hamas.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: catfish1957 on March 02, 2024, 11:52:37 pm
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
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1h
Senior U.S. Official are reporting that Israel has Agreed to a 6-Week Ceasefire in the Gaza Strip which will include a Release of Israeli Hostages and Palestinian Prisoners, but that they are awaiting a Response to the Ceasefire from Hamas.

Seems Bibi caved.  This Hamas thing just got further perpetuated.  Lather, Rinse, Spin, repeat.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 03, 2024, 12:40:25 am
Seems Bibi caved.  This Hamas thing just got further perpetuated.  Rather, Rinse, Spin, repeat.
The global propaganda machine turned on him. When your last supposed ally starts dropping aid packages to your enemies, what can you do?

Let's see how many hostages come home.  Let them tell their tales, and then he can let loose the dogs of war. Again.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on March 03, 2024, 04:53:17 am
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
1h
Senior U.S. Official are reporting that Israel has Agreed to a 6-Week Ceasefire in the Gaza Strip which will include a Release of Israeli Hostages and Palestinian Prisoners, but that they are awaiting a Response to the Ceasefire from Hamas.
I'd be surprised if any of the hostages are alive.  Bibi's playing the cards he has, I get it. I just pray that other Israelis don't pay the price. And I can't help but say FU to the US state dept @blinken and other simps., WH and all others who sympathize with the palis...EFF you!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 03, 2024, 10:48:13 pm
Hamas: No hostage deal without permanent ceasefire - report

March 03, 2024 at 11:19 AM

After receiving an unsatisfactory response from Hamas, Israel has refrained from sending a negotiating team to continue talks in Cairo


In a significant development amid ongoing negotiations, Hamas, the terrorist group governing the Gaza Strip, has said that it will not agree to the release of hostages without Israel committing to a permanent ceasefire in Gaza.

Citing a source within Hamas, CNN reported that the group is adamant about the cessation of hostilities as a prerequisite for any deal regarding the release of hostages.

According to the Hamas source, apart from the demand for a fixed truce, two other key points of contention preventing an agreement from being reached include the withdrawal of Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) troops from Gaza and the allowance for civilians to return to the northern Gaza Strip.

Additionally, Hamas has insisted on the provision of aid to both the southern and northern parts of the Gaza Strip before agreeing to any deal.  .  .  .

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1709482749-hamas-no-hostage-deal-without-permanent-ceasefire-report



There was already a permanent cease fire agreement in place on Oct 7.  Any agreement is only as good as the parties agreeing to it.  So if Hamas is involved, any agreement is worthless.

Israel should do what Hamas does.  Make the agreement, get the hostages back (if any are still alive), and then start bombing again.  But the bottom line here is that even if Israel agreed to everything Hamas asks for, Hamas would sabotage it somehow.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 04, 2024, 05:27:48 pm
But...but....but...Biden said there would be a cease fire come Monday.   *****rollingeyes*****

And Kammie commanded Israel to cease fire, https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2024/03/04/kamala-harris-calls-for-a-complete-ceasefire-immediately-n3784016 . :silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on March 04, 2024, 06:41:10 pm
And Kammie commanded Israel to cease fire
Hard to believe no one takes her seriously. I can't imagine why.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on March 05, 2024, 12:56:27 pm
Our tax dollars at work. Gazan man throws food in the garbage because it was parachuted into Gaza by the US Air Force.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1764805073031331896
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on March 05, 2024, 05:49:45 pm
Our tax dollars at work. Gazan man throws food in the garbage because it was parachuted into Gaza by the US Air Force.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1764805073031331896
And then after he made his propaganda video he took it right back out and gobbled it up.......he's an Arab, they and the truth are like ships that pass in the night, or a virgin camel at a Bedouin camp.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on March 05, 2024, 06:03:56 pm
And then after he made his propaganda video he took it right back out and gobbled it up.......he's an Arab, they and the truth are like ships that pass in the night, or a virgin camel at a Bedouin camp.

 :yowsa:  pointing-up

It's perfectly OK for Muslims to lie to infidels when it suits their purpose. Says so right there in the Koran.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 05, 2024, 06:07:29 pm
1.) As my drunken Irish grandfather would say, "If you don't like the MRE, go ahead, starve to death."
2.) There was a permanent cease fire on October 6th; Hamas broke it on October 7th.

Hamas messed with the Israeli bull, now they are getting the horns.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 05, 2024, 06:58:39 pm
:yowsa:  pointing-up

It's perfectly OK for Muslims to lie to infidels when it suits their purpose. Says so right there in the Koran.

It's called "Taqiyya."

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on March 06, 2024, 01:32:52 pm

Spectacular moment Israel's Iron Dome defense system intercepts and blows a string of 30 rockets fired by Hezbollah

Daily Mail
By NATASHA ANDERSON  and STEPHEN M. LEPORE
5 March 2024

Spectacular video showed Israel's 'Iron Dome' at work on Tuesday night in the north of Israel, as the famous defense system blew up a string of 30 rockets fired by the terror group Hezbollah.

The system, invented by Dr. Danny Gold, is made up of a series of batteries that use radars to detect and intercept incoming short-range missiles.

'Israel’s missile defenses look like the Battle of Hogwarts,' wrote Israeli government spokesman Eylon Levy in reaction.

video at link
(more)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13161751/Israel-Iron-Dome-video-Hezbollah-rockets.html
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on March 06, 2024, 08:17:29 pm
(https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aYVzyZO_460s.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: berdie on March 06, 2024, 09:46:22 pm
(https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aYVzyZO_460s.jpg)



Well said and worth repeating!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on March 10, 2024, 02:47:16 pm
3 Strategic Hamas Errors Leave Gaza Terror Base in Ruins

ISRAEL RADAR 3/10/2024

The October 7 assault on Israel is gradually unfolding as a series of strategic miscalculations by Hamas. As the IDF continues to dismantle the group’s terror machine, the war is increasingly shaping up as a disaster for both Hamas and Gaza.

The invasion from Gaza, driven by three key errors in judgment, aimed to inflict severe damage on Israel, trigger a regional war, and bolster the strategic position of Hamas and Iran. But as events unfold, it becomes evident that Hamas misjudged its own capabilities while misreading Israel’s and Iran’s response.

3 Hamas miscalculations


Error 1: The Hamas plan anticipated a prolonged incursion into Israeli territory by thousands of terrorists armed to the teeth and equipped with ample supplies. The intention was to seize control of multiple communities and military installations, engaging in sustained combat against the IDF for long weeks.

However, Hamas was quickly overwhelmed by the swift and decisive Israeli response. The IDF neutralized all terrorists and pockets of resistance inside Israel within days. This enabled Israel to shift focus to offensive operations within Gaza sooner than Hamas expected, escalating the conflict well beyond Hamas’ control.

Error 2: Hamas did not believe that the IDF would mount a large-scale invasion of Gaza, according to captured terrorists interrogated by Israel. This assumption, based on exaggerating the Israeli fear of casualties, led Hamas to concentrate its defenses primarily against aerial bombardment and build a vast network of tunnels, Ynet reported.

As it turned out, this defensive doctrine proved lacking against the IDF’s ground incursion, leaving Hamas exposed and vulnerable to Israel’s overwhelming military power. Moreover, tunnels were mostly built as shelters rather than sites of potential large-scale combat, enabling the IDF to advance underground with relative ease and destroy numerous strategic sites.

Error 3: Hamas pinned its hopes on full-scale support from the Iran axis, anticipating a regional conflict that never materialized. Secret documents recovered by the IDF in Gaza suggest that Tehran promised full backing, or at least that this was the Hamas perception.

More: https://israelradar.com/3-strategic-hamas-errors-leave-gaza-terror-base-in-ruins/ (https://israelradar.com/3-strategic-hamas-errors-leave-gaza-terror-base-in-ruins/)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 10, 2024, 03:08:13 pm
4. a. Hamas expected the US and the rest of the world to turn on Israel almost immediately and arm-twist Israel into stopping their attacks on Hamas. It's taken 4 months or so for that to start with LIEden.

4. b. Hamas expected Israel to knuckle under to international pressure, as has happened in times past. So far that has not happened.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on March 10, 2024, 03:38:20 pm
They are lying to you. And Israel knows this.

They did not consult with Israel before enacting this plan to strengthen and supply Hamas during an active ongoing war. Biden just decided to do it, out of nowhere.

What if Israel decided to build a port in Florida only for illegal Cubans? With no discussion or consultation with anyone in Florida or in the United States.

First they said they were building a port. Then they said they are building a pier. First they said the American military will not be involved. Then they said the American military will be only indirectly involved in constructing the new terrorist port.

I do not understand the thinking. If someone started building a shed in my backyard, I may have a question or two about what is going on. And even if the shed gets built, the idea that I will just leave it there untouched and simply 'tolerate' it, is probably wishful thinking.

I believe the port/pier/base whatever it really is will never be completed.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on March 10, 2024, 04:09:30 pm
When finished Israel should bomb it.
It will never get that far. Whatever Biden is actually building in Gaza? It will never be completed. This would constitute an actual factual annexation of Israeli littoral territory by the American military.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 10, 2024, 04:48:59 pm
It will never get that far. Whatever Biden is actually building in Gaza? It will never be completed. This would constitute an actual factual annexation of Israeli littoral territory by the American military.

Shortbus Joe is only trying to placate the anti-Jew base, which is rather robust as it turns out.  Nothing more, nothing less.

The KKK has not changed it's sheets.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on March 10, 2024, 05:40:58 pm

Shortbus Joe is only trying to placate the anti-Jew base, which is rather robust as it turns out.  Nothing more, nothing less.

The KKK has not changed it's sheets.
Ok? That is fine with me. But let us stir up the scenario just a bit. What if Biden decided to build a new port on Turkey or Egypt or Lebanon? He says in his isolated idiotic stupor, "I'm going to build a new port in Turkey ... to aid the Kurds."

How does anyone think this is normal? or acceptable? 

The world does not work like that.

Biden seems to think, by word and by actions, that the stupid Jews in Israel are somehow his inferiors. He seems to think that Israel is some servant who must 'obey' him <- him as the superior Christian overlord.

He may be surprised to find out that Jews do as they please and think on their own. They do not need or want some uber-White uber-old KKK man from the 1940s to guide and direct them.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 10, 2024, 07:17:11 pm
Biden draws ‘red line’ for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: No Israeli attack on Rafah

 By Ben Wolfgang - The Washington Times - Updated: 3:11 p.m. on Sunday, March 10, 2024

President Biden drew a “red line” for Israel over the weekend, warning against an attack on the Gaza Strip city of Rafah.

In a Saturday interview with MSNBC, the president offered his harshest criticism to date of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He said the leadership’s conduct of the war against the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas is “hurting Israel more than helping Israel.” Mr. Biden said Israel must take greater care to protect civilians in Gaza.

He also made clear that an Israeli attack on Rafah would be unacceptable.

“It is a red line,” Mr. Biden said when asked about a potential Israeli military assault on the city. More than 1 million Palestinians have sought shelter in southern Gaza amid the Israel-Hamas war.

“But I’m never going to leave Israel,” the president quickly added. “The defense of Israel is still critical. There’s no red line [where] I’m going to cut off all weapons so they don’t have the Iron Dome to protect them.

“But there’s red lines that if he crosses them — you cannot have 30,000 more Palestinians dead as a consequence of going after” Hamas, Mr. Biden said. “There’s other ways to deal with, to get to, to deal with the trauma caused by Hamas.”

The comments will likely deepen the rift between the Biden administration and Mr. Netanyahu’s government.

more
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/mar/10/biden-draws-red-line-for-prime-minister-benjamin-n/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on March 10, 2024, 07:34:47 pm
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He also made clear that an Israeli attack on Rafah would be unacceptable.
Why? Can Clueless Joe offer an explanation?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 10, 2024, 07:41:47 pm
Quote
He also made clear that an Israeli attack on Rafah would be unacceptable.

Netanyahu:  "Hold my beer."
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 10, 2024, 07:44:35 pm
Sounds like a "come to Jesus" moment.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on March 10, 2024, 07:53:57 pm
In case you wondered how it was that ten zillion kajillion Palestinians had been killed by those turrible Joos, some statistical analysis:
Quote
How the Gaza Ministry of Health Fakes Casualty Numbers
The evidence is in their own poorly fabricated figures
by Abraham Wyner
March 06, 2024

The number of civilian casualties in Gaza has been at the center of international attention since the start of the war. The main source for the data has been the Hamas-controlled Gaza Health Ministry, which now claims more than 30,000 dead, the majority of which it says are children and women. Recently, the Biden administration lent legitimacy to Hamas’ figure. When asked at a House Armed Services Committee hearing last week how many Palestinian women and children have been killed since Oct. 7, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said the number was “over 25,000.” The Pentagon quickly clarified that the secretary “was citing an estimate from the Hamas-controlled Health Ministry.” President Biden himself had earlier cited this figure, asserting that “too many, too many of the over 27,000 Palestinians killed in this conflict have been innocent civilians and children, including thousands of children.” The White House also explained that the president “was referring to publicly available data about the total number of casualties.”

Here’s the problem with this data: The numbers are not real. That much is obvious to anyone who understands how naturally occurring numbers work. The casualties are not overwhelmingly women and children, and the majority may be Hamas fighters.   ...

This lack of correlation is the second circumstantial piece of evidence suggesting the numbers are not real. But there is more. The daily number of women casualties should be highly correlated with the number of non-women and non-children (i.e., men) reported. Again, this is expected because of the nature of battle. The ebbs and flows of the bombings and attacks by Israel should cause the daily count to move together. But that is not what the data show. Not only is there not a positive correlation, there is a strong negative correlation, which makes no sense at all and establishes the third piece of evidence that the numbers are not real.

Consider some further anomalies in the data: First, the death count reported on Oct. 29 contradicts the numbers reported on the 28th, insofar as they imply that 26 men came back to life. This can happen because of misattribution or just reporting error.  ...
Tablet Mag (https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers?fbclid=IwAR0j0_BdZ8a6aFpOJ3CGnbDhUmEQKwSdpV9sKp0LR1Ytbe6nDFbVMZvprP8_aem_AVhk7w4ShN1v642ci6o6XibCH9TtdikrTCRqO0lKkPwoNZjAG_VztW7fSCwqge4pV_4)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on March 10, 2024, 08:44:20 pm
Netanyahu:  "Hold my beer."

unusual_whales
@unusual_whales
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BREAKING: Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu has said that he will defy Joe Biden's "red line" and invade Rafah to prevent another attack like Oct 7, per Politco
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: catfish1957 on March 10, 2024, 08:46:32 pm
Sounds like a "come to Jesus" moment.

That morphed into a FJB mment.   Go Bibi...  go.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 10, 2024, 08:54:38 pm
unusual_whales
@unusual_whales
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3m
BREAKING: Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu has said that he will defy Joe Biden's "red line" and invade Rafah to prevent another attack like Oct 7, per Politco

Bibi:  "I wasn't thinking of invading Rafah.  But if HAMAS mouthpiece Joe Biden is ordering me not to do it, then I should strongly consider invading."


In short, the proper course of action is always to do the exact opposite of what Joe Biden says to do.  This simple axiom has been proved 100% accurate over the last half century.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 10, 2024, 11:52:28 pm
Netanyahu pledges to ignore Biden’s ‘red line’ and invade Rafah
By
Conrad Hoyt
March 10, 2024 7:01 pm

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu brushed off President Joe Biden’s concerns and criticisms, vowing to move forward with Israel’s military occupation in Gaza.

Biden insisted on Saturday that the Israeli leader’s strategy for the country’s war against Hamas is “hurting Israel more than helping.” When asked about Rafah, he added, “It is a red line,” attempting to put pressure on Netanyahu to do more to protect Palestinians.

Netanyahu was asked the following day whether Israeli forces would push into Rafah, a city in the southern Gaza Strip and a refuge for millions of Palestinians. “We’ll go there. We’re not going to leave. You know, I have a red line. You know what the red line is, that October 7 doesn’t happen again,” he said, referring to Hamas’s brutal massacre that killed about 1,200 Israelis and triggered the current conflict. “Never happens again.”

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2913065/netanyahu-pledges-to-ignore-bidens-red-line-and-invade-rafah/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 11, 2024, 05:02:15 am
Biden remains in Delaware, undergoing Adderall detox.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on March 11, 2024, 08:53:32 am
Biden draws ‘red line’ for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: No Israeli attack on Rafah

 By Ben Wolfgang - The Washington Times - Updated: 3:11 p.m. on Sunday, March 10, 2024

President Biden drew a “red line” for Israel over the weekend, warning against an attack on the Gaza Strip city of Rafah.

In a Saturday interview with MSNBC, the president offered his harshest criticism to date of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He said the leadership’s conduct of the war against the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas is “hurting Israel more than helping Israel.” Mr. Biden said Israel must take greater care to protect civilians in Gaza.

He also made clear that an Israeli attack on Rafah would be unacceptable.

“It is a red line,” Mr. Biden said when asked about a potential Israeli military assault on the city. More than 1 million Palestinians have sought shelter in southern Gaza amid the Israel-Hamas war.

“But I’m never going to leave Israel,” the president quickly added. “The defense of Israel is still critical. There’s no red line [where] I’m going to cut off all weapons so they don’t have the Iron Dome to protect them.

“But there’s red lines that if he crosses them — you cannot have 30,000 more Palestinians dead as a consequence of going after” Hamas, Mr. Biden said. “There’s other ways to deal with, to get to, to deal with the trauma caused by Hamas.”

The comments will likely deepen the rift between the Biden administration and Mr. Netanyahu’s government.

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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/mar/10/biden-draws-red-line-for-prime-minister-benjamin-n/
"...30,000 more Palestinians dead" Again, there's that number, made up out of whole cloth by the lying palis and most likely includes the thousands of terrorists whacked by Israel. I don't doubt there are collaterals, but after watching the post Oct 7th videos, I can't generate much, if any sympathy for what they're encountering. They messed with the bull and are whining about getting the horns.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 11, 2024, 11:58:05 am
Ok? That is fine with me. But let us stir up the scenario just a bit. What if Biden decided to build a new port on Turkey or Egypt or Lebanon? He says in his isolated idiotic stupor, "I'm going to build a new port in Turkey ... to aid the Kurds."

How does anyone think this is normal? or acceptable? 

The world does not work like that.

Biden seems to think, by word and by actions, that the stupid Jews in Israel are somehow his inferiors. He seems to think that Israel is some servant who must 'obey' him <- him as the superior Christian overlord.

He may be surprised to find out that Jews do as they please and think on their own. They do not need or want some uber-White uber-old KKK man from the 1940s to guide and direct them.
Watchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?

He thinks that because he lives in the White House and can get ice cream any time he wants, that he is a god.  With a decree, he can repeal the laws of thermodynamics, economics, and fly in the face of reality and prevail. He is the great and powerful Biden, and don't you forget it!  (Now deposit 10% for the Big Guy).
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 11, 2024, 12:23:08 pm
So, U.S. and U.N. declaring Rafah as safe zone for Hamas?

This could all be over if Hamas releases all hostages and surrenders.

This only came about because Hamas broke a ceasefire on October 7th.

It's not Israel's fault that the Gazans used all the U.N. aid to build tunnels and to buy rockets, but not to buy food and medicine.

Elections have consequences.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 11, 2024, 01:38:12 pm
Biden breaks with Netanyahu but sticks with Israel
Barak Ravid

President Biden has begun a tricky maneuver: breaking with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his Gaza war strategy — while sticking with Israel and its fight against Hamas, which is still holding hostages.

Why it matters: No one incident led Biden to start changing his course with Netanyahu, whom he has known for 40 years. It's an accumulation of events and decisions by the prime minister over the last few weeks, U.S. officials tell Axios.

Between the lines: Biden hoped for weeks that he could use the war to push his Saudi mega-deal after the fighting. But in many ways, Biden sees Netanyahu as the one responsible for the deal slipping away.

Behind the scenes: The U.S. officials say Biden — and many other senior officials at the White House and the State Department — are extremely frustrated by what they see as ungratefulness by Netanyahu.

    Biden has given the Israeli government unprecedented support over the past five months, at the cost of strong pushback from the president's party during an election year.

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https://www.axios.com/2024/03/10/biden-netanyahu-hurting-israel-red-line
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on March 11, 2024, 02:06:23 pm
If Israel took "war advice" from America, they would fight in Gaza for 20 years, spend a trillion dollars and tens of thousands of dead soldiers, then in the end Israel would simply give up and surrender everything. This is the factual history of what America calls 'war'.

The very idea that Israel intends to actually 'win' the war is something unknown to American politicians and American Military. And so they are aghast with the thought of 'winning' a war. How dare you be so brutal? You are supposed to lose! That is the nature of things! That is how WE have always done it! You are never supposed to win! Winning requires that you commit. We prefer to be on the fence between good and evil.

America has their head so far up their DEI ass, they no longer understand simple reality. I am pretty sure China, Russia, and Iran, are all ready to educate the American shitheads as to what war really is.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 11, 2024, 04:54:29 pm
All comes down to catering to the Muslim vote.

...while trying to keep big-city Jews from bolting the party.  So Shortbus Joe has a problem, trying to sell himself to both sides in a Holy War.

So he's with Israel, but he's NOT with Netanyahu?  Funny, I feel the same way about Biteme.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Fishrrman on March 11, 2024, 09:08:56 pm
I gotz this feelin' that the IDF is gonna roll right over biden's "red line" the same way that the Israeli bulldozer rolled over Ms. Corrie...
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 11, 2024, 09:27:45 pm
I gotz this feelin' that the IDF is gonna roll right over biden's "red line" the same way that the Israeli bulldozer rolled over Ms. Corrie...

That is likely.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 12, 2024, 04:04:01 am
I gotz this feelin' that the IDF is gonna roll right over biden's "red line" the same way that the Israeli bulldozer rolled over Ms. Corrie...

But that would mean his policy flatlined...
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on March 12, 2024, 10:49:06 am
I gotz this feelin' that the IDF is gonna roll right over biden's "red line" the same way that the Israeli bulldozer rolled over Ms. Corrie...

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.lcFPFHJoLVCzyNK2NhYU3AHaHZ%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=1163ea5531a89eeef3ec0f7eccc81b71de72ba335c55a8059712f86f8d77863a&ipo=images)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 12, 2024, 01:10:50 pm
Dem Rep. Moskowitz: Not Letting Israel Invade Rafah Gives Hamas ‘All the Leverage’ to Reject Ceasefires

On Monday’s broadcast of “CNN NewsNight,” Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL) stated that Israel has to be allowed to go forward with an invasion of Rafah if Hamas keeps rejecting ceasefires because “otherwise, you’re giving Hamas all the leverage.” And “What’s  not acceptable is to let Hamas continue to reject a ceasefire, but then say, Israel can’t do anything about that.”

Moskowitz said, “I’m concerned about Rafah. Obviously, Israel needs to do everything it can to make sure that civilians are protected. But we know at this juncture, the United States has proposed — along with other Arab neighbors — has proposed a temporary ceasefire. We know that Hamas continues to reject it. So, if Hamas continues to reject it, then Israel has the right to continue to prosecute the war against Hamas. So, Abby, what I would like to see happen –.”

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https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/03/12/dem-rep-moskowitz-not-letting-israel-invade-rafah-gives-hamas-all-the-leverage-to-reject-ceasefires/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on March 12, 2024, 03:10:59 pm
On the left: Actual famine in Sudan
On the right: Faux-famine in Gaza
https://twitter.com/BritsForIsrael/status/1767557304344309967
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 14, 2024, 08:55:09 pm
https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1767849404378059046
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 14, 2024, 08:55:51 pm
Dave Rubin
@RubinReport
·
Mar 13
Joe Biden, AOC and the rest of the Hamas caucus should be forced to watch the video with their eyes taped open like Clockwork Orange.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2024, 02:31:14 am
Dave Rubin
@RubinReport
·
Mar 13
Joe Biden, AOC and the rest of the Hamas caucus should be forced to watch the video with their eyes taped open like Clockwork Orange.

(https://thenewbev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/a-clockwork-orange-3-1250x755.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 15, 2024, 02:12:04 pm
Hamas proposes cease-fire plan that includes 10-to-1 exchange of hostages, prisoners: report
Proposed Hamas plan reportedly includes exchanging Israeli women, children, elderly and sick hostages for the release of 700 to 1,000 Palestinian prisoners
By Lawrence Richard Fox News
Published March 15, 2024 7:37am EDT

Hamas has issued a new cease-fire proposal amid its war with Israel that includes an exchange of hostages in Gaza for Palestinian prisoners, according to a report.

The terror group presented the Gaza cease-fire proposal to U.S., Qatar and Egypt mediators on Friday, Reuters reported. It includes the release of Israeli women, children, elderly and sick hostages in exchange for the release of 700 to 1,000 Palestinian prisoners.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office appeared to reject the Hamas proposal, saying it was based on "unrealistic demands," per the report.

The new proposal comes a week after negotiations to broker an agreement concluded without a breakthrough.

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/hamas-proposes-cease-fire-plan-exchange-hostages-prisoners-report
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 15, 2024, 03:55:03 pm
Israel Rejects Hamas’s ‘Unrealistic’ Counteroffer on Hostages, but Talks Resume

Israel rejected a reported counteroffer by Hamas for a potential hostage deal on Thursday, but sent negotiators to Qatar to continue negotiations, as hope increased for an agreement that could lead to a temporary ceasefire in the near future.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/15/israel-rejects-hamass-unrealistic-counteroffer-on-hostages-but-talks-resume/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 15, 2024, 04:23:20 pm
So, Israel announces it will invade Rafa, and Hamas offers cease fire and hostage release.  Coincidence?  Maybe, but, it's confirmation Israel is on the right track.

Agressors (Hamas) only sue for peace when they are losing.  They use the false promise of peace, cease fire, or armistice to buy time to recruit and re-arm.

Reduce Rafa to ash.

Unconditional surrender of Hamas is the only acceptable, long-term outcome.  Anything short of Hamas' unconditional surrender is a guarantee of another future war in Gaza.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 15, 2024, 04:31:45 pm
So, Israel announces it will invade Rafa, and Hamas offers cease fire and hostage release.  Coincidence?  Maybe, but, it's confirmation Israel is on the right track.

Agressors (Hamas) only sue for peace when they are losing. They use the false promise of peace, cease fire, or armistice to buy time to recruit and re-arm.

Reduce Rafa to ash.

Unconditional surrender of Hamas is the only acceptable, long-term outcome.  Anything short of Hamas' unconditional surrender is a guarantee of another future war in Gaza.
At the very least, they 'negotiate' to buy time to set up for the next offensive.

Other lengthy negotiation periods for ceasefires or armistices included the Korean War, and Vietnam. Both were to buy time...
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 15, 2024, 04:40:35 pm
Gazans need to turn against Hamas like the Italian populace turned against Mussolini towards the end of World War II.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DB on March 15, 2024, 04:58:52 pm
Gazans need to turn against Hamas like the Italian populace turned against Mussolini towards the end of World War II.

Yep, and until they do, they are just as responsible for what goes on there.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Fishrrman on March 15, 2024, 09:00:34 pm
Smokin' Joe wrote:
"At the very least, they 'negotiate' to buy time to set up for the next offensive."

In islam, this is known as a "hudna".
A "truce" which is really time to regroup and get ready to attack again.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on March 15, 2024, 10:27:37 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com

Netanyahu's plan: Turn Gaza into demilitarized Singapore-style entity; fully detached from Israel, linked to world via sea route to Cyprus, land passage to Egypt under Israeli monitoring; massive UAE investment in tourism & tech; local government supervised by international body led by US, Arab states. via @ynetalerts
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: berdie on March 15, 2024, 11:03:55 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com

Netanyahu's plan: Turn Gaza into demilitarized Singapore-style entity; fully detached from Israel, linked to world via sea route to Cyprus, land passage to Egypt under Israeli monitoring; massive UAE investment in tourism & tech; local government supervised by international body led by US, Arab states. via @ynetalerts




I'm fairly sure BiBi knows what he is doing politically and militarily, so o.k.

Myself...I'd be horrible at this. I'd retake Gaza, deport the inhabitants, make the area closest to Israel a demilitarized zone and turn the coast into coastal resort with some commercial ports.

And that is why I don't rule the world. happy77
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 16, 2024, 12:32:20 am
I would have firebombed Gaza into oblivion like Hamburg, Tokyo, and Dresden.

If all that remains is ash, there are no starving children for Hamas to use as propaganda props for the Western media.

It's kill or be killed.  Hamas fired the first shot.  Israel will fire the last one.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on March 16, 2024, 01:07:02 pm
Netanyahu defies Biden, green-lights offensive into Hamas stronghold

WND by Jake Smith Daily Caller News Foundation 3/15/2024

'Preparing for the operational side and for the evacuation of the population'

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave the green light on Friday for Israel to launch a ground invasion against a Hamas stronghold in south Gaza, despite the Biden administration’s warnings, according to NBC News.

Netanyahu’s office said in a statement that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is “preparing for the operational side and for the evacuation of the population” in Rafah, the southernmost region of Gaza bordering Egypt and a hotbed of remaining Hamas terrorists, according to NBC. President Joe Biden said last week that an Israeli operation in Rafah would be crossing a “red line.”

“Israel has no choice but to go into Rafah, where four Hamas battalions and the Gaza-Egypt tunnels that resupply Hamas with weapons are still standing,” Mark Dubowitz, CEO of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, previously told the DCNF. “If not, Hamas will emerge victorious and Israel will be vulnerable to more Oct. 7’s as Hamas has threatened.”

Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7 and killed over 1,200 civilians and took hundreds of others hostage, prompting the ongoing counteroffensive by the IDF in Gaza.

    NEW | The IDF said on March 13 that it plans to move civilians from Rafah to “humanitarian enclaves” in the central Gaza Strip before any Israeli offensive into Rafah.

    There are approximately 1.4 million displaced Palestinian civilians currently in Rafah

More: https://www.wnd.com/2024/03/netanyahu-defies-biden-green-lights-offensive-hamas-stronghold/ (https://www.wnd.com/2024/03/netanyahu-defies-biden-green-lights-offensive-hamas-stronghold/)

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 16, 2024, 03:41:37 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com

Netanyahu's plan: Turn Gaza into demilitarized Singapore-style entity; fully detached from Israel, linked to world via sea route to Cyprus, land passage to Egypt under Israeli monitoring; massive UAE investment in tourism & tech; local government supervised by international body led by US, Arab states. via @ynetalerts

The UAE is not going to waste money investing in a place overrun with Palestinians.  Get rid of the Palestinians first, and then the UAE will pony up.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 16, 2024, 09:54:16 pm

White House wants to see Netanyahu’s plan to attack Rafah
By
Christian Datoc
March 16, 2024 9:36 am

The White House has yet to review Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu‘s plans to invade Rafah but “would welcome” seeing the specifics.

Netanyahu reportedly signed off on new attack plans on Friday, despite negotiations regarding a six-week ceasefire in Gaza between Israel, Hamas, and third-party nations, including the United States.

National Security Council spokesman John Kirby briefed reporters on the latest developments surrounding the Gaza war on Friday.

“We certainly would welcome the opportunity to see it,” he explained when asked about Netanyahu’s potential offensive. “We can’t support a major offensive in Rafah that doesn’t also include a credible, achievable, executable plan to take care and to the safety and security of the more than a million Gazans that are seeking refuge in Rafah.”

“To move in right now in a major way without a proper accounting for all those people would as we’ve said, that’d be a disaster,” he continued. “We’re going to keep talking to the Israelis about this.”

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/2923994/white-house-wants-to-see-netanyahus-plan-to-attack-rafah/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on March 16, 2024, 11:15:27 pm
Quote
The White House has yet to review Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu‘s plans to invade Rafah but “would welcome” seeing the specifics.
'Eff off, White House.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on March 16, 2024, 11:44:27 pm
'Eff off, White House.
Absolutely! The second those bastard in the White House or the Senate or the House saw what the plans were they would tell Hamas and the Iranians...so the smart move by Netanyahu would be to lie to them and then do something completely different.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 17, 2024, 02:31:38 pm
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The White House has yet to review Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu‘s plans to invade Rafah but “would welcome” seeing the specifics.

Why in Hades would Israel give LIEden's Israel-Hating staff their plans so they can pass it on to Hamas?!

Israel should give fake plans so Hamas can be shepherded into traps and LIEden's Hamas spies exposed.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 17, 2024, 11:41:06 pm
White House wants to see Netanyahu’s plan to attack Rafah

So that they can turn those plans over to Hamas.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 18, 2024, 10:33:18 pm
Biden Summons Israel for Talks; Says Netanyahu’s Position on Hamas Is ‘Nonsense’

Joel B. Pollak 18 Mar 2024

National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan told reporters at the White House on Monday that President Joe Biden had spoken with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to oppose Israeli plans to attack Hamas in the city of Rafah.

Sullivan added that the president had asked Netanyahu an “interagency” team of military, defense, and humanitarian officials by “the beginning of next week” to meet with U.S. officials in Washington and negotiate over a Rafah operation.

He said that the Biden Administration might approve limited, targeted strikes in Rafah, but would refuse a broader Israeli invasion of the town, saying that such an invasion would put civilians and humanitarian aid corridors at risk.

Rafah is the last stronghold of Hamas, on the Egyptian border in Gaza. It is home to the last four battalions of Hamas, and is thought to be where Hamas leaders are hiding and keeping Israeli hostages. It is also a key smuggling route.

Biden has publicly opposed any Israeli operation in Rafah since February, at least until there is a plan to evacuate the one million Palestinian civilians who have fled there. Netanyahu has said that not to invade Rafah is to lose the war.

Netanyahu and Biden spoke, just days after Biden endorsed Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer’s (D-NY) demand that Israel hold new elections to replace Netanyahu, calling him an “obstacle to peace.” (Netanyahu called his remarks “inappropriate.”

Netanyahu’s version of the call was terse. “We discussed the latest developments in the war, including Israel’s commitment to achieving all of the war’s goals: Eliminating Hamas, freeing all of our hostages and ensuring that Gaza never gain constitutes a threat to Israel – while providing the necessary humanitarian aid that will assist in achieving these goals,” he said, in a statement released Monday by the Government Press Office.

Sullivan said that Biden had specifically criticized Netanyahu’s plans to attack Hamas in Rafah. Sullivan said that Biden had addressed what he called a “straw man,” the “nonsense” argument that to refrain from attacking Hamas in Rafah means giving up on defeating Hamas.

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/18/biden-summons-israel-for-talks-says-netanyahus-position-on-hamas-is-nonsense/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 18, 2024, 10:34:12 pm
Jake Sullivan Makes Antisemitic Claim Israel Interferes in American Politics

National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan made the antisemitic claim Monday in a White House press briefing that Israel interferes in U.S. politics.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/03/18/jake-sullivan-makes-antisemitic-claim-israel-interferes-in-american-politics/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 19, 2024, 12:13:03 am
The entire Biteme "Administration" has completely lost it.  It's eating itself.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 19, 2024, 12:18:14 am
Jake Sullivan Makes Antisemitic Claim Israel Interferes in American Politics

National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan made the antisemitic claim Monday in a White House press briefing that Israel interferes in U.S. politics.

As a general rule, any time Democrats falsely accuse someone of wrongdoing, it is because they are already doing it themselves.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on March 19, 2024, 01:04:26 am
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN
·
IDF kills #Hamas Internal Security head during Shifa operation

i24NEWS @ariel_oseran brings us the details, including the arrest of 200 terrorists, and what was found in the hospital compound

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1769811095038906509 (https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1769811095038906509)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on March 19, 2024, 01:07:02 am
Instant News Alerts
@InstaNewsAlerts

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has agreed to send a senior delegation to Washington in the next few days to discuss an alternative strategy to an Israeli ground invasion of Rafah, White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said. (Axios)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on March 19, 2024, 01:12:04 am
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN

WATCH: IDF forces located terror funds intended for distribution to #Hamas operatives and a weapons stash at the Al-Shifa Hospital compound. At least 20 terrorists killed, dozens more detained

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1769746618473947308 (https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1769746618473947308)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 19, 2024, 04:53:15 am
Jake Sullivan Makes Antisemitic Claim Israel Interferes in American Politics

National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan made the antisemitic claim Monday in a White House press briefing that Israel interferes in U.S. politics.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/03/18/jake-sullivan-makes-antisemitic-claim-israel-interferes-in-american-politics/

Antisemetic? A ridiculous assertion.

One can love what Netanyahu did --- AND admit in good conscience that the PM flying 6,000 miles for the sole purpose of personally telling the whole of the elected US Congress --- from the well of the House of Representatives --- to vote against the sitting President's proposed policy initiative is the *quintessential* example of Israeli interference in US politics. And, it's not the only one.

(https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2015/03/F150303ABG04-640x400.jpg)

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 19, 2024, 05:31:28 am
As a general rule, any time Democrats falsely accuse someone of wrongdoing, it is because they are already doing it themselves.
:yowsa:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 19, 2024, 01:21:02 pm
Report: Biden to Allow Hamas-linked Contractor to Build Gaza Pier

The Biden Administration is preparing to allow a Hamas-linked contractor to earn millions from the construction of the floating port that the U.S. military is preparing to build off the coast of Gaza to assist the delivery of humanitarian aid.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/03/19/report-biden-to-allow-hamas-linked-contractor-to-build-gaza-pier/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 19, 2024, 02:18:06 pm
One can love what Netanyahu did --- AND admit in good conscience that the PM flying 6,000 miles for the sole purpose of personally telling the whole of the elected US Congress --- from the well of the House of Representatives --- to vote against the sitting President's proposed policy initiative is the *quintessential* example of Israeli interference in US politics. And, it's not the only one.

Oh, the irony.  You complain about Israel opposing the US policy of interfering in Israeli politics.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 19, 2024, 02:44:28 pm
Biden Summons Israel for Talks; Says Netanyahu’s Position on Hamas Is ‘Nonsense’

National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan told reporters at the White House on Monday that President Joe Biden had spoken with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to oppose Israeli plans to attack Hamas in the city of Rafah.

Sullivan added that the president had asked Netanyahu an “interagency” team of military, defense, and humanitarian officials by “the beginning of next week” to meet with U.S. officials in Washington and negotiate over a Rafah operation.

He said that the Biden Administration might approve limited, targeted strikes in Rafah, but would refuse a broader Israeli invasion of the town, saying that such an invasion would put civilians and humanitarian aid corridors at risk.

Rafah is the last stronghold of Hamas, on the Egyptian border in Gaza. It is home to the last four battalions of Hamas, and is thought to be where Hamas leaders are hiding and keeping Israeli hostages. It is also a key smuggling route.

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/18/biden-summons-israel-for-talks-says-netanyahus-position-on-hamas-is-nonsense/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on March 19, 2024, 04:14:55 pm
If anyone knows about nonsense, at least speaking it.... :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 19, 2024, 04:59:26 pm
Netanyahu to Biden, Sullivan: ‘There Is No Way’ Other than Rafah Invasion

Netanyahu: “I made it as clear as possible to the President that we are determined to complete the elimination of these battalions in Rafah, and there is no way to do this without a ground incursion.”

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/19/netanyahu-to-biden-sullivan-there-is-no-way-rafah-invasion/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 19, 2024, 05:02:21 pm
Report: Biden to Consider Cutting Arms to Israel over ‘Human Rights’

National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan confirmed Monday that the Biden Administration would consider cutting off arms sales to Israel if it did not submit a report explaining how its use of the weapons complies with international law.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/19/report-biden-to-consider-cutting-arms-to-israel-over-human-rights/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 19, 2024, 05:07:57 pm
Hamas is getting their just desserts.

Only when Gazans love their children more than they hate Israelis, will there be chance of peace.

October 7th was a wake up call to the danger Iran and its proxies pose to peace and stability in the Middle East.

Gaza is just one theater of operation in Iran's war against Western influence in the MidEast.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 19, 2024, 05:38:12 pm
Netanyahu to Biden, Sullivan: ‘There Is No Way’ Other than Rafah Invasion

Netanyahu: “I made it as clear as possible to the President that we are determined to complete the elimination of these battalions in Rafah, and there is no way to do this without a ground incursion.”

You want to "make it clear", Bibi?  Cut the umbilical cord with the US and stop using us as your ATM, weapons replenisher, global shield AND political nemesis.  Declare your total independence from the US and do whatever you want without pesky questions.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 19, 2024, 06:34:53 pm
WATCH — Biden Shifts the Goalposts: ‘Degrading,’ Not ‘Defeating,’ Hamas

Joel B. Pollak 19 Mar 2024

State Department Deputy Spokesman Vedant Patel told reporters in a briefing on Tuesday that the U.S. shares the goal of “degrading” Hamas — avoiding the use of the word “defeating,” in an apparent shift of U.S. policy on the Gaza war.

On Monday, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan told reporters that President Joe Biden shared Israel’s goal of “defeating” Hamas, but believed it was not necessary for Israel to attack Hamas in the last stronghold of Rafah to do so:

    The President told the Prime Minister again today that we share the goal of defeating Hamas, but we just believe you need a coherent and sustainable strategy to make that happen.

    …

    Now, the President has rejected — and did again today — the strawman that raising questions about Rafah is the same as raising questions about defeating Hamas. That’s just nonsense.

    …

    And from the U.S. perspective, this is not a question of defeating Hamas. And anytime I hear an argument that says, “If you don’t smash into Rafah, you can’t defeat Hamas,” I say, “That is a strawman.”

    …

    [T]he President is not focused on what’s popular, what’s not popular, how do you shape public opinion. He’s interested in how do we get to the right result, and the right result is the enduring defeat of Hamas, a two-state solution that has a secure Israel and a Palestinian state that vindicates the aspirations of the Palestinian people, and a broader normalization of relations so that Israel also has peace with all of its Arab neighbors.

On Tuesday, as Breitbart News reported, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reiterated his view that while he was happy to talk to the Biden Administration about it, there was no way to defeat Hamas without entering Rafah.

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/19/biden-shifts-the-goalposts-degrading-not-defeating-hamas/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: berdie on March 19, 2024, 08:49:33 pm
Netanyahu to Biden, Sullivan: ‘There Is No Way’ Other than Rafah Invasion

Netanyahu: “I made it as clear as possible to the President that we are determined to complete the elimination of these battalions in Rafah, and there is no way to do this without a ground incursion.”

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/19/netanyahu-to-biden-sullivan-there-is-no-way-rafah-invasion/



I hope this is true and he holds the line. The only reason, imho, that Biden and Co. are waffling is due to the upcoming election. They are really scared they'll lose the Muslim vote.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 20, 2024, 12:15:29 am
State Department Deputy Spokesman Vedant Patel told reporters in a briefing on Tuesday that the U.S. shares the goal of “degrading” Hamas — avoiding the use of the word “defeating,” in an apparent shift of U.S. policy on the Gaza war.

This is identical to his Ukraine policy, Houthi policy, etc.


Jake Sullivan:   And from the U.S. perspective, this is not a question of defeating Hamas. And anytime I hear an argument that says, “If you don’t smash into Rafah, you can’t defeat Hamas,” I say, “That is a strawman.”

That is not at all a "strawman".  Not even close.  Sullivan is an idiot.



Jake Sullivan:    [T]he President is not focused on what’s popular, what’s not popular, how do you shape public opinion.

Biden changed his position the day after 13.2% of Michigan Democrats voted for "Uncommitted" in their primary.


Jake Sullivan:    [Biden]’s interested in how do we get to the right result, and the right result is the enduring defeat of Hamas, a two-state solution that has a secure Israel and a Palestinian state that vindicates the aspirations of the Palestinian people, and a broader normalization of relations so that Israel also has peace with all of its Arab neighbors.

The Palestinians don't want a two-state solution.  And Israel can't have peace with its neighbors when those neighbors continue to attack Israel.  Sullivan is parroting Iranian rhetoric.


On Tuesday, as Breitbart News reported, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reiterated his view that while he was happy to talk to the Biden Administration about it, there was no way to defeat Hamas without entering Rafah.

Bibi is correct.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 21, 2024, 01:42:48 am
Biden Co-Chair, Dem Sen. Coons: ‘Almost Impossible’ for Israel to Do Rafah Operation the Way We Want

On Wednesday’s broadcast of NPR’s “Morning Edition,” Biden Campaign Co-Chair Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) stated that it would be “almost impossible” for Israel to go into Rafah “and conduct an operation in a way that isn’t unreasonably dangerous and unsafe and will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties.” And the operation definitely can’t “be safely done in the coming weeks.”

Coons said, “Israel has the right, even the obligation, to defend its civilians against Hamas and to continue pursuing Hamas terrorists. But they have to balance that with their obligation to protect civilians and facilitate humanitarian aid going into Gaza. So, a delegation from Israel is now on its way to Washington to meet with our military leadership to consult on how they could possibly conduct a ground invasion into Rafah, where there are still four battalions of Hamas fighters, and allow for civilians to get out of Rafah and conduct an operation in a way that isn’t unreasonably dangerous and unsafe and will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties. It’s exceptionally difficult to do, almost impossible, frankly.”

more
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/03/20/biden-co-chair-dem-sen-coons-almost-impossible-for-israel-to-do-rafah-operation-the-way-we-want/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 21, 2024, 01:43:42 am
Biden Co-Chair, Dem Sen. Coons: Israel Has to Move Civilians from Rafah, Others Understandably Won’t Take Them in

On Wednesday’s broadcast of NewsNation’s “Morning in America,” Biden Campaign Co-Chair Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) said that other nations won’t take Palestinian refugees and “I understand the concerns of others in the region” and so Israel has to help Palestinians in Rafah relocate. He also stated that “Hamas has almost no way to get in or get out, to get re-supplied.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/03/20/biden-co-chair-dem-sen-coons-israel-has-to-move-civilians-from-rafah-others-understandably-wont-take-them-in/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 21, 2024, 02:22:49 am
This is identical to his Ukraine policy, Houthi policy, etc.


That is not at all a "strawman".  Not even close.  Sullivan is an idiot.



Biden changed his position the day after 13.2% of Michigan Democrats voted for "Uncommitted" in their primary.


The Palestinians don't want a two-state solution.  And Israel can't have peace with its neighbors when those neighbors continue to attack Israel.  Sullivan is parroting Iranian rhetoric.


Bibi is correct.
The DOD and State Department concept seems to be one of 'managed conflict' which keeps defense money flowing, golden parachutes for anyone of flag rank, and who knows? the potential for abundant cumshaw and baksheesh abounds. They did this in Afghanistan, and it has cost American Soldiers and their families dearly, not to mention the king's ransom in materiel (and even Americans) abandoned in one of the most ill-conceived withdrawals in history.

But...Funding for everyone! You gotta break a few eggs...

Unfortunately, those eggs are someone's father, son, daughter, wife, mother, someone who just wanted to live in peace. For every square foot of dirt there, there's a gallon of blood been shed, and it won't end until someone ends it. Maybe not even then, if prophecy is correct, not until He returns. In the meantime, Hamas is not some puppy that can be scolded for nipping at their neighbors, it's a rabid critter that needs to be put down.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on March 21, 2024, 10:02:07 am
Biden Co-Chair, Dem Sen. Coons: ‘Almost Impossible’ for Israel to Do Rafah Operation the Way We Want

On Wednesday’s broadcast of NPR’s “Morning Edition,” Biden Campaign Co-Chair Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) stated that it would be “almost impossible” for Israel to go into Rafah “and conduct an operation in a way that isn’t unreasonably dangerous and unsafe and will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties.” And the operation definitely can’t “be safely done in the coming weeks.”

Coons said, “Israel has the right, even the obligation, to defend its civilians against Hamas and to continue pursuing Hamas terrorists. But they have to balance that with their obligation to protect civilians and facilitate humanitarian aid going into Gaza. So, a delegation from Israel is now on its way to Washington to meet with our military leadership to consult on how they could possibly conduct a ground invasion into Rafah, where there are still four battalions of Hamas fighters, and allow for civilians to get out of Rafah and conduct an operation in a way that isn’t unreasonably dangerous and unsafe and will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties. It’s exceptionally difficult to do, almost impossible, frankly.”

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https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/03/20/biden-co-chair-dem-sen-coons-almost-impossible-for-israel-to-do-rafah-operation-the-way-we-want/
"...will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties." That's a damned lie. The only way there are that many "civilian casualties" is to be counting the exterminated vermin.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 21, 2024, 02:43:23 pm
Biden Co-Chair, Dem Sen. Coons: ‘Almost Impossible’ for Israel to Do Rafah Operation the Way We Want

On Wednesday’s broadcast of NPR’s “Morning Edition,” Biden Campaign Co-Chair Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) stated that it would be “almost impossible” for Israel to go into Rafah “and conduct an operation in a way that isn’t unreasonably dangerous and unsafe and will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties.” And the operation definitely can’t “be safely done in the coming weeks.”
...

Making the conditions impossible was Foggy Bottom's and LIEden's anti-Semites' purpose.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 21, 2024, 05:27:15 pm
Making the conditions impossible was Foggy Bottom's and LIEden's anti-Semites' purpose.

They never plan for victory, only stalemates.  All wars are now forever wars.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on March 21, 2024, 07:23:45 pm
Instant News Alerts
@InstaNewsAlerts 3/21/2024

#BREAKING: IDF says forces have now captured more than 600 terrorists in ongoing operations at Shifa Hospital in Gaza, including several senior Hamas and PIJ commanders. Israel forces have killed more than 140 gunmen at the site in ongoing battles.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 21, 2024, 11:20:38 pm
"...will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties." That's a damned lie. The only way there are that many "civilian casualties" is to be counting the exterminated vermin.
It's war. It isn't safe. People get killed. As for "thousands and thousands" more civilian casualties, maybe Hamas should throw up a white flag, send out the remaining hostages, dead or alive, and come out of their holes.

Otherwise, it will be done the hard way.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DB on March 22, 2024, 05:51:04 am
It's war. It isn't safe. People get killed. As for "thousands and thousands" more civilian casualties, maybe Hamas should throw up a white flag, send out the remaining hostages, dead or alive, and come out of their holes.

Otherwise, it will be done the hard way.

And how many of those "civilians" are actively helping Hamas?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 22, 2024, 08:39:39 am
And how many of those "civilians" are actively helping Hamas?
By the jubilation in their streets after the massacre, most all of them.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 22, 2024, 01:24:15 pm
Mar 21, 2024 -
World
Blinken: U.S. submitted draft resolution to UN calling for Gaza ceasefire

Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Wednesday the U.S. has submitted a draft resolution to the UN Security Council that calls "for an immediate ceasefire" in Gaza that's "tied to the release" of hostages held by Hamas.

Why it matters: Both Israel and Hamas are facing pressure to reach a deal to free the hostages and start a truce in Gaza, where over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed, per Axios' Barak Ravid, who noted this week that the first detailed negotiations in months were underway.

    Now Blinken has said in an interview with Al-Hadath in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, that an agreement was "getting closer" and "the gaps are narrowing," according to a transcript released by the State Department Wednesday. "I think an agreement is very much possible," he added.

The big picture: Blinken said during the interview that the Biden administration was "pressing for an immediate ceasefire" tied to freeing the hostages.

    The interviewer said to Blinken that "some may wonder how are you pressuring Israel to do so while you are still continuing supporting them financially and militarily, and even in the United Nations by vetoing any resolution that commits for an immediate ceasefire."
    Blinken replied that the U.S. resolution before the Security Council "does call for an immediate ceasefire tied to the release of hostages, and we hope very much that countries will support that." 

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https://www.axios.com/2024/03/21/us-submits-gaza-ceasefire-resolution-un-israel-hamas
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 22, 2024, 01:27:18 pm
Poll: Majority of Palestinians Want Hamas Control Over Gaza Strip When War Ends


Adam Kredo   
March 21, 2024

A majority of Palestinians want Hamas to retain control of the Gaza Strip after its war against Israel ends, according to a new poll.

"Gazans’ support for continued Hamas control over the Gaza Strip has increased to more than 50 percent, a 14-point rise" during the past several months, according to the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, a nonprofit think tank that tracks public opinion in the West Bank and Gaza. "Given the magnitude of the suffering in the Gaza Strip, this seems to be the most counter intuitive finding of the entire poll."

The poll, which surveyed 1,580 adults in early March, determined that "almost all Palestinians think Israel is committing war crimes while almost all believe Hamas is not committing war crimes in the current war," a number that has remained steady throughout the conflict.

While support for Hamas’s Oct. 7 terror attack on Israel dropped by 11 points in the West Bank compared to three months ago, the numbers rose by 14 points among those living in war-torn Gaza.

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https://freebeacon.com/national-security/poll-majority-of-palestinians-want-hamas-control-over-gaza-strip-when-war-ends/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 22, 2024, 03:38:47 pm
Netanyahu to Blinken on Rafah: We’d Prefer Your Support, But We’ll Do It Alone

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Friday after meeting with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken that there was no alternative to an attack in Rafah, and that Israel was prepared to do so without U.S. support.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/22/netanyahu-to-blinken-on-rafah-wed-prefer-your-support-but-well-do-it-alone/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on March 22, 2024, 03:57:39 pm

They never plan for victory, only stalemates.  All wars are now forever wars.
Exactly!
America NEVER fights a war to 'win' it. The only wars America won, were the Revolutionary War, the American Civil War, and the war with Japan. Many say, "America 'won' WWII". This is not entirely correct, because America refused to attack the USSR. WWII never actually ended per-se, it just rolled over into a new thing which was called the cold war with the Soviet Union. The war did not end, it just went into a semi-dormant or cold state.

We all know that the Korean war is still ongoing, and Vietnam was a total mess. Vietnam was a 20 year war (which was not a war) that accomplished nothing and achieved nothing.

There have been so many American wars and incursions in the Middle East I cannot list them all here. But to summarize, none of them were 'won' in the traditional sense of what 'winning a war' means.

America's modern history of war, is to attack some place with little provocation, very dubious justification, and no defined objectives. Then they annihilate the place for 20 years causing millions of deaths. And then suddenly, America will just pull out. Leaving an incredible mess and all their native wartime supporters stranded in their wake.

This is the paradigm Biden and his staff are trying to force Israel into. Because "20 year wars with no definitive conclusion" is the only definition America has for what they call 'war'. America does not comprehend the very idea of winning, concluding, and finishing a war.

But Israel is not falling for the American "forever war" version of warfare. Israel does not fight random wars all over the world just for the sake of the funding the military industrial complex. When Israel goes to war, they go to war to WIN! - overwhelmingly, conclusively, and decisively. This is what they are doing in Gaza, much to the astonishment of all the milquetoast Liberals who currently run America.

America is aghast/appalled at the very idea of Israel winning a war and completing an objective, because that is simply not how they do it. And therefore they do not understand the idea and want to stop it.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on March 22, 2024, 04:07:00 pm

A majority of Palestinians want Hamas to retain control of the Gaza Strip after its war against Israel ends, according to a new poll.
This is a great example of 'First World' thinking being imposed on primitive barbarians. There are no factual meaningful "polls" in any Islamic country. People simply respond in whatever way which will not get them arrested, tortured, and killed.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 22, 2024, 04:11:58 pm
The fact that no Arab / Muslim Middle East country wants to take in Palestinian / Gaza refugees tells you a lot.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 22, 2024, 04:14:21 pm
Netanyahu to Blinken on Rafah: We’d Prefer Your Support, But We’ll Do It Alone

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Friday after meeting with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken that there was no alternative to an attack in Rafah, and that Israel was prepared to do so without U.S. support.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/22/netanyahu-to-blinken-on-rafah-wed-prefer-your-support-but-well-do-it-alone/

Take out an existential threat or knuckle under to hate-driven anti-Semites' demands that the existential threat be allowed to continue. Tough choice.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on March 22, 2024, 04:55:24 pm
The fact that no Arab / Muslim Middle East country wants to take in Palestinian / Gaza refugees tells you a lot.
:yowsa:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 23, 2024, 03:38:49 pm
A majority of Palestinians want Hamas to retain control of the Gaza Strip after its war against Israel ends, according to a new poll.

Makes sense.  Hamas still promises to eliminate every Jew from Judea, which is something that every Palestinian wants above all else.  Of course Palestinians support Hamas.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 25, 2024, 01:44:41 pm
 Israel offers to release 800 Palestinian prisoners, including 100 murderers in hostage deal
By Social Links for Ronny Reyes
Published March 24, 2024, 4:08 p.m. ET

Israel has offered to release between 700 to 800 Palestinian prisoners, including 100 criminals convicted of murder, in exchange for 40 hostages in Gaza, according to Israeli media outlets.

After bashing such an exchange as “unrealistic” a few weeks ago, the Jewish State offered up hundreds of incarcerated Palestinians in an effort to free Israeli women, children, elderly and sick who were taken captive by Hamas on Oct. 7, the Times of Israel reports.

Several outlets, including Channel 12, suggest at least 700 prisoners could be included in the exchange, including dozens who are serving life sentences for killing Israelis.

Along with the exchange, Israel is also said to be willing to discuss allowing Palestinian refugees to return to the war-torn northern half of the Gaza Strip, according to the local outlets.

Despite the concessions , Israeli officials are reportedly ruling out any deal that calls for the complete withdrawal of the Israeli military from Gaza, one of Hamas’ key demands.

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https://nypost.com/2024/03/24/world-news/israel-offers-to-release-up-to-800-prisoners-for-hostages/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 25, 2024, 05:24:38 pm
Hamas is demanding Israel pull out of Gaza 100%.  That's not going to happen.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 25, 2024, 05:51:38 pm
Israel was 100% out of Gaza on October 6th.

If Hamas didn't want Israel in Gaza, they shouldn't have launched their October 7th terrorist attack against the Israeli civilian population.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9tM1CXa4AAsAhP.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 25, 2024, 07:15:38 pm
Hamas is demanding Israel pull out of Gaza 100%.  That's not going to happen.

The clock on this is ticking.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on March 25, 2024, 07:40:08 pm
Jon Levine
@LevineJonathan
Israelis are literally fighting for their right to live — Biden State Department thinks they should be more focused on their "reputation"
This I think very acutely captures the disconnect
1:22 PM · Mar 25, 2024

https://twitter.com/ShibleyTelhami/status/1772150044185014336
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 25, 2024, 07:49:43 pm
How can you live with, or next to, a political entity that kidnaps babies to be human shields, and expect them to abide by any security agreements?

Israel would rather restore its reputation of "F with us at your own risk".
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: berdie on March 25, 2024, 09:15:50 pm
How can you live with, or next to, a political entity that kidnaps babies to be human shields, and expect them to abide by any security agreements?

Israel would rather restore its reputation of "F with us at your own risk".




 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on March 25, 2024, 10:10:12 pm

Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
·
18m
BREAKING:

Hamas rejects Israel’s 6 week ceasefire offer which was based on exchanging 40 hostages for 700 Palestinian terrorist prisoners.

This means that the ground invasion of Rafah will start soon.

That will be last of Hamas
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 25, 2024, 10:52:56 pm
The clock on this is ticking.

For whom?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on March 26, 2024, 01:25:39 pm
JNS

Gallant: Israel has ‘no moral right’ to end war against Hamas

"The lack of a decisive victory in Gaza may bring us closer to a war in the north," Gallant said ahead of meetings in Washington.

Jerusalem has “no moral right” to cease the military operation against Hamas while 134 hostages remain in Gaza, Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said Monday, ahead of meetings with White House officials.

“The lack of a decisive victory in Gaza may bring us closer to a war in the north,” Gallant warned, according to a Defense Ministry readout.

The defense minister departed for the U.S. capital on Sunday at the invitation of his American counterpart, Lloyd Austin. Gallant is scheduled to meet with Austin, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and other senior officials.

“I came here to reflect the importance of strengthening the IDF and empowering the State of Israel,” Gallant stated on Monday, adding: “I will stress the importance of destroying Hamas and returning the hostages.”

More: https://www.jns.org/gallant-israel-has-no-moral-right-to-end-war-against-hamas-terrorism/#:~:text=The%20final%20four%20Hamas%20battalions,itself%20to%20threaten%20Israel%20again. (https://www.jns.org/gallant-israel-has-no-moral-right-to-end-war-against-hamas-terrorism/#:~:text=The%20final%20four%20Hamas%20battalions,itself%20to%20threaten%20Israel%20again.)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on March 26, 2024, 02:15:34 pm
All Biden's Fault: Hamas Rejects Latest Ceasefire/Hostage Deal, Seals Their Fate
Nick Arama


Joe Biden abandoned Israel on Monday when he refused to have the U.S. veto a UN Security Council resolution. The resolution called for an immediate ceasefire, which would then stop Israel from wiping out the Hamas terrorists. The ceasefire was not conditional on releasing the hostages, according to the Israeli UN ambassador Gilad Erdan.

Republicans, including Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) blasted Biden for throwing Israel under the bus and throwing a lifeline to Hamas. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also ripped the move, saying that he would be canceling a trip to D.C. that his aides had planned.

So what has all that appeasement of Hamas resulted in?

Israel had agreed to a very bad deal in order to try to get the hostages, which included 5 Americans, out. The offer was a six week ceasefire to have an exchange of people.

It would get out a lot of the hostages, but let a lot of Hamas murderers out who would likely come back into the war against Israel. So not a great idea.

more
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2024/03/25/hamas-now-rejecting-latest-ceasefire-deal-blame-biden-and-un-for-emboldening-them-n2171909
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on March 26, 2024, 04:33:50 pm

Oli London
@OliLondonTV
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24m
At least 18 Palestinians reportedly killed after a massive humanitarian aid drop.

6 died in a stampede as they rushed to obtain the aid packages whilst 12 drowned in the sea trying to obtain packages that had fallen in the water.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 26, 2024, 05:07:10 pm
Oli London
@OliLondonTV
·
24m
At least 18 Palestinians reportedly killed after a massive humanitarian aid drop.

6 died in a stampede as they rushed to obtain the aid packages whilst 12 drowned in the sea trying to obtain packages that had fallen in the water.

We airdropped supplies into water?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 26, 2024, 05:54:21 pm
For whom?

I don't think we know yet.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: rustynail on March 26, 2024, 06:00:15 pm
"As God is my witness"...
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on March 26, 2024, 06:01:35 pm
"As God is my witness"...

"Oh the humanity!"
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 26, 2024, 06:12:17 pm
Jon Levine
@LevineJonathan

Israelis are literally fighting for their right to live —

1:22 PM · Mar 25, 2024

Mr. Levine, at what point do we consider that 57 years of a superior military power playing whack a Palestinian does not represent an existential threat or a fight for anyone's right to live --- that's it's actually a debilitating political addiction?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on March 26, 2024, 07:15:44 pm
"Oh the humanity!"
If you invoke on than you must (https://i.imgur.com/YAcBZ4t.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on March 26, 2024, 07:44:38 pm
Mr. Levine, at what point do we consider that 57 years of a superior military power playing whack a Palestinian does not represent an existential threat or a fight for anyone's right to live --- that's it's actually a debilitating political addiction?
Let's ask the 1200+ Israelis who were denied their right to live by the palis on Oct 7th...oh wait. Maybe we can ask their surviving loved ones?
Israel was in a comparative state of "peace" with the palis until that day. Taking out terrorist vermin in the meantime doesn't rise to the level of an "addiction". It's a necessity for peaceable people to enjoy their "right to live".
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 26, 2024, 07:52:44 pm
Mr. Levine, at what point do we consider that 57 years of a superior military power playing whack a Palestinian does not represent an existential threat or a fight for anyone's right to live --- that's it's actually a debilitating political addiction?

It's been 57 years of fighting with half measures.  The US is probably the main reason they never fight to a definitive conclusion.  We never do.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on March 26, 2024, 07:56:49 pm
It's been 57 years of fighting with half measures.  The US is probably the main reason they never fight to a definitive conclusion.  We never do.

Well! We gotta keep Raytheon, Boeing, ... in business you heathen!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on March 26, 2024, 08:41:14 pm
It's been 57 years of fighting with half measures.  The US is probably the main reason they never fight to a definitive conclusion.  We never do.

The US demanding Israel pull it's punches dates at least to the Reagan Administration (and EuroLanders) saving Arafat's @#$ when he was cornered by the IDF in Beirut in 1982.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on March 26, 2024, 08:58:49 pm
The US demanding Israel pull it's punches dates at least to the Reagan Administration (and EuroLanders) saving Arafat's @#$ when he was cornered by the IDF in Beirut in 1982.

In the 60's Democrats hated Golda Meir, because she always put Israel first.  Quite a few Republicans agreed. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 26, 2024, 11:05:07 pm
It's been 57 years of fighting with half measures.  The US is probably the main reason they never fight to a definitive conclusion.  We never do.

I respectfully disagree @Cyber Liberty   

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 26, 2024, 11:06:57 pm
The fact that no Arab / Muslim Middle East country wants to take in Palestinian / Gaza refugees tells you a lot.

What does it tell us? @DefiantMassRINO
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 27, 2024, 12:10:12 am
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Netanyahu has been spoiling for a fight with the US. He may not survive this one
The Guardian, Mar 26, 2024

How do you gaslight an entire nation about a war and then try to do the same to a superpower that is your ally? And how do you turn a just war into global isolation and widespread condemnation? Just ask Benjamin Netanyahu. He has the patent.

Netanyahu has been deliberately and intently seeking a confrontation with the US ever since late October. The UN security council resolution 2728, demanding an “immediate ceasefire”, is just the latest pretext for this premeditated showdown. This may sound counterintuitive and imprudent to you, given that the two countries are close allies, given Israel’s heavy reliance on US military aid and its diplomatic umbrella, and particularly given President Biden’s sweeping and unwavering support for Israel since the 7 October catastrophe.

But Netanyahu has two reasons to instigate such a confrontation. The first is pure gaslighting on a grand scale. He concocted a narrative that supposedly explains the war’s context and consequently absolves him from the responsibility and accountability he persistently refuses to assume. It also distracts from his stated policy of imploring Qatar to funnel more funds to Gaza to strengthen Hamas, all in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority and render any political negotiations impossible.

[...]

The second reason is more current and practical: the confrontation is about setting up Biden as the scapegoat for Netanyahu’s failure to achieve “total victory” or “the eradication of Hamas”, two fortune cookie-type slogans that he spews regularly.

The security council resolution demanding an immediate ceasefire, adopted by 14 members with the US abstaining, puts Israel on a double collision course: with the UN security council but more critically, with the US. Netanyahu’s sanctimonious tantrums about how “surprised” he was and how the US abstention is a departure from policy that would prevent victory is mendacious. He was warned repeatedly by the Biden administration that this would be an inevitable outcome if he persisted with his endless recalcitrance, defiance and effective refusal to engage with the US, ostensibly Israel’s staunch ally and protector.

More:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/26/benjamin-netanyahu-joe-biden-un-security-council-resolution-ceasefire-gaza
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 27, 2024, 12:16:47 am
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'Madness’: Netanyahu’s handling of US relations under scrutiny after UN vote
The Guardian, Mar 26, 2024

The Israeli prime minister’s handling of relations with the Biden administration, which led the US on Monday to decline to veto a ceasefire resolution at the UN security council, has been greeted by sharp criticism by Israeli commentators.

After the US abstention, prominent columnists across the Israeli media condemned Benjamin Netanyahu’s growing friction with the US president, Joe Biden.

While Netanyahu, who has faced plummeting public approval ratings since Hamas’s surprise 7 October attack on southern Israel, has long been a target for a large section of Israel’s commentariat, the tone in some quarters after the rare US abstention in the security council bordered on derision and contempt.

Driving the sentiment is the vivid awareness within Israeli society of the huge importance of the US-Israeli relationship in terms of financial aid, arms sales and Washington’s diplomatic support, including its frequently used veto on Israel’s behalf on the security council.

The security council vote is a significant moment – but the US says its Gaza policy is unchanged.

Washington’s decision not to use its veto came after a weekend in which US officials say they spoke non-stop to Israeli counterparts warning them in advance, suggesting that Netanyahu’s decision to cancel a visit by a delegation to the US in the aftermath of the vote was more calculated theatre than the result of surprise.


More:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/26/benjamin-netanyahu-handling-us-relations-un-israel-gaza-ceasefire-vote
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 27, 2024, 12:52:11 am
Some historical context:

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Two dramatic things happened on Monday, neither quite unprecedented by itself but uniquely striking in their back-to-back timing.

First, the United States did not veto but rather abstained from—and thus allowed to pass—a U.N. Security Council resolution calling for an “immediate ceasefire” in the war on Gaza.

It wasn’t the first time the United States has turned away from its usual practice of protecting Israel by vetoing resolutions that criticized the country. In fact, every president from Richard Nixon to Barack Obama abstained at least once on resolutions condemning Israel—Ronald Reagan did so seven times—for expanding settlements, invading Lebanon, permitting the murder of Palestinians, or other crimes and malfeasances.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/03/why-netanyahu-really-canceled-his-visit-to-washington.html
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on March 27, 2024, 12:55:47 am
The fact that no Arab / Muslim Middle East country wants to take in Palestinian / Gaza refugees tells you a lot.

Absolutely.  They aren't wanted.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on March 27, 2024, 12:57:01 am
Israel was 100% out of Gaza on October 6th.

If Hamas didn't want Israel in Gaza, they shouldn't have launched their October 7th terrorist attack against the Israeli civilian population.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9tM1CXa4AAsAhP.jpg)

 8888crybaby 8888crybaby
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: ChemEngrMBA on March 27, 2024, 02:09:12 am
What does it tell us? @DefiantMassRINO

If it is explained to you, obviously you will deny and disagree, so what IS the point, really, WrongInVirginia?

Little 9-year-old Middle Eastern girl in hajib, crying:  "I have to marry a fifty year old man!"

Friend next to her in hajib, same age:  "Please, bitch. I have to blow myself up tomorrow morning."
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 27, 2024, 03:04:01 am
It tells us that other Arab Muslim nations view Palestinians as a politically destablizing presence in their countries.

What does it tell us? @DefiantMassRINO
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 27, 2024, 03:10:03 am

If it is explained to you, obviously you will deny and disagree, so what IS the point, really, WrongInVirginia?

Little 9-year-old Middle Eastern girl in hajib, crying:  "I have to marry a fifty year old man!"

Friend next to her in hajib, same age:  "Please, bitch. I have to blow myself up tomorrow morning."


Your post doesn't explain why Arab/Muslim countries don't want to accept Palestinian refugees @ChemEngrMBA

Please, try again.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on March 27, 2024, 03:17:05 am
What does it tell us? @DefiantMassRINO

Seems to me that even Muslim countries reject 'Palestinian' refugees because as a group they are considered radical and extreme jihadists.

Similar reasoning why I wouldn't want to live in a cul-de-sac filled with all radical, militant Never Trumpers.

I mean how much fun would it be to have @roamer_1 on one side and @Hoodat on the other.

One would have goats and chickens running loose and the other would have giant Ukrainian flags flying.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 27, 2024, 03:20:53 am
It tells us that other Arab Muslim nations view Palestinians as a politically destablizing presence in their countries.

I agree with this.  It's not a judgement of the worth of the people, but the chaos they could bring, especially to other regional relationships.   This sentiment is not unlike Western governments turning away Jewish refugees in the late 1930s --- nothing more, nothing less.

Further proof, if we need it, that war is hell.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Smokin Joe on March 27, 2024, 03:26:50 am
I agree with this.  It's not a judgement of the worth of the people, but the chaos they could bring, especially to other regional relationships.   This sentiment is not unlike Western governments turning away Jewish refugees in the late 1930s --- nothing more, nothing less.

Further proof, if we need it, that war is hell.
Y'all seem to be forgetting that the governments there are inherently tribal.

It took tribal conflict to keep enemies out, they aren't about to invite them in. (unlike the stupid MFers in our government)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 27, 2024, 07:09:10 pm
Similar reasoning why I wouldn't want to live in a cul-de-sac filled with all radical, militant Never Trumpers.

I mean how much fun would it be to have @roamer_1 on one side and @Hoodat on the other.

First of all, I am not a #NeverTrumper.  I'm #NeverLiberal.  Been telling you this for eight years now, and you still get it wrong.

Secondly, @roamer_1 and I do disagree from time to time.  Take the Eagles, for example.  I rightly know that they suck, while Roamer mistakenly believes their music to be pleasing to the ear.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 27, 2024, 07:40:05 pm
BREAKING: Israel agrees to reschedule delegation visit to the White House after last minute cancelation - ABC— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) March 27, 2024
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: roamer_1 on March 27, 2024, 08:47:39 pm
First of all, I am not a #NeverTrumper.  I'm #NeverLiberal.  Been telling you this for eight years now, and you still get it wrong.


@Hoodat

That's right - Me too.

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Secondly, @roamer_1 and I do disagree from time to time.  Take the Eagles, for example.  I rightly know that they suck, while Roamer mistakenly believes their music to be pleasing to the ear.

Heathen.  *****rollingeyes*****

 :silly: :beer: :seeya:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: roamer_1 on March 27, 2024, 08:51:45 pm
I mean how much fun would it be to have @roamer_1 on one side and @Hoodat on the other.

One would have goats and chickens running loose and the other would have giant Ukrainian flags flying.

By the way, my kind wouldn't be caught dead living in a cul-de-sac. And you'd flat die trying to live where I do. So you're functioning in fantasy, @DCPatriot

@Hoodat is a different thing. He'd likely be welcome where I go.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on March 28, 2024, 12:20:16 pm
As Israel Eyes Last Hamas Stronghold, Experts Urge Biden to Support Netanyahu

The Post & Email by Family Research Council 3/27/2024

Over the weekend, the Biden administration ratcheted up its rhetoric against Israel’s fight against the terrorist group Hamas, as Vice President Kamala Harris declared that there could be “consequences” for Israel if it invades the southernmost Gazan city of Rafah, which remains the last major stronghold of Hamas. Experts and lawmakers say that despite the difficult situation in Rafah, where hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees are encamped, the U.S. must support Israel’s military efforts to rid Gaza of Hamas in the wake of the terrorist group’s October 7 atrocities.

As opposition to Israel has grown within some segments of the Democratic Party’s voter base, prominent Democrats such as Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) have vocalized an increasingly hard-edged position against Israel in recent weeks, with Schumer calling for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to step down on March 14. Secretary of State Antony Blinken continued the drumbeat last week, saying that a failed U.S.-led U.N. resolution calling for a ceasefire tied to the release of Israeli hostages held by Hamas was meant to create “a sense of urgency.”

But dissent from within the Democratic ranks on the party’s stance against Israel appears to be growing. On Sunday, Senator John Fetterman (D-Pa.) responded unequivocally to Vice President Harris’s remarks that a Rafah invasion would be a “huge mistake” and that the Biden administration would not rule out consequences against Israel if it moved forward. “Hard disagree,” Fetterman wrote on X. “Israel has the right to prosecute Hamas to surrender or to be eliminated. Hamas owns every innocent death for their cowardice hiding behind Palestinian lives.”

Last Friday, Lela Gilbert, a senior fellow for International Religious Freedom at Family Research Council who spent 10 years living in Israel, joined “Washington Watch” to discuss the current status of Israel’s war against Hamas and the Biden administration’s response to it.

More: https://www.thepostemail.com/2024/03/27/as-israel-eyes-last-hamas-stronghold-experts-urge-biden-to-support-netanyahu/ (https://www.thepostemail.com/2024/03/27/as-israel-eyes-last-hamas-stronghold-experts-urge-biden-to-support-netanyahu/)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on March 28, 2024, 05:48:20 pm
What does it tell us? @DefiantMassRINO

Can you say 'Black September'??  It tells us that these Arab countries know that the Palestinians are nothing but trouble and are a threat to their peace and security .
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on March 29, 2024, 12:54:47 am

DOD in early talks to fund a peacekeeping force in Gaza

Politico
By ALEXANDER WARD, LARA SELIGMAN and JOSEPH GEDEON
03/28/2024

Biden administration officials are in preliminary “conversations” about options for stabilizing post-war Gaza, including a proposal for the Pentagon to help fund either a multinational force or a Palestinian peacekeeping team.

The options being considered would not involve U.S. troops on the ground, according to two Defense Department officials and two other U.S. officials, all granted anonymity to discuss the closed-door diplomatic and military negotiations. Instead, DOD funding would go toward the needs of the security force and complement assistance from other countries.

Asked for comment, a senior administration official said “we are working with partners on various scenarios for interim governance and security structures in Gaza once the crisis recedes,” declining to detail specifics. “We’ve had a number of conversations with both the Israelis and our partners about key elements for the day after in Gaza when the time is right.”

(more)
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/28/dod-in-early-talks-to-fund-a-peacekeeping-force-in-gaza-00149547
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on March 29, 2024, 01:08:56 am
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a Palestinian peacekeeping team
Isn't that like cognitive dissonance? Or maybe just plain stupid?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on March 29, 2024, 01:26:32 am
Isn't that like cognitive dissonance? Or maybe just plain stupid?
This is Biden/Obama/UN making sure that no matter what happens, Hamas will keep Gaza.
They want a force to kick Israel out of Gaza and move the terrorists back in.
Biden/Obama/UN worst fear is that Israel will actually do what they say and win the war in Gaza.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on April 01, 2024, 11:42:58 am
Indians Set to Replace Palestinian Workers From Gaza/West Bank in Israeli Jobs After October 7 Massacre

Legal Insurrection by  Vijeta Uniyal  4/1/2024

Jerusalem Post: “Thousands of laborers are expected to work in the embattled construction sector, which relied almost exclusively on Palestinian workers before the war.”

“An influx of Indian workers is expected to arrive in Israel in the coming weeks as part of an effort to overcome a labor shortage due to the Israel-Hamas war,” the Jerusalem Post reported earlier this month, “Thousands of laborers are expected to work in the embattled construction sector, which relied almost exclusively on Palestinian workers before the war.”

The replacement of workforce from Gaza and the West Bank is matter of Israel’s national secutiry. Evidence suggests that Hamas misused Israel’s work permit program to carry out reconnaissance on bordering Jewish communities ahead of the attack. Several of the terrorists who entered Israel on October 7 were holders of work-permits and had intimate knowledge of the security measures in place.

Israel’s government-backed agency, National Skill Development Corporation (NSDC), conducted recruitment drives in several Indian states. Jerusalem is looking for skilled workers, such as plumbers, electricians and masons, along with agricultural and constructions workers.-----

Modi government defies left-wing trade unions, takes credit for Israeli recruitment drive


India’s Marxist-led workers unions, which otherwise despise India’s Hindu Nationalist government, urged Prime Minister Narendra Modi to ‘scrap’ any agreement to send Indians workers to Israel.

Left-wing unions “questioned the [New Delhi’s] proposed move to send about [one hundred thousand] Indian construction workers to Israel to replace Palestinian nationals working there,” Indian newspaper The Hindu reported November 11. “They alleged that the [Indian] government is playing a despicable role in supporting the Israeli plans to throw out Palestinian workers and retaliation for the Hamas attack is only an excuse.”

The appeal by the leftist unions will have little impact on the government’s decision. India’s largest trade union, with 10 million members, is a right-wing workers body aligned with Prime Minister Modi’s party.


More: https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/04/indians-set-to-replace-palestinian-workers-from-gaza-west-bank-in-israeli-jobs-after-october-7-massacre/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/04/indians-set-to-replace-palestinian-workers-from-gaza-west-bank-in-israeli-jobs-after-october-7-massacre/)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on April 01, 2024, 03:53:12 pm
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send about [one hundred thousand] Indian construction workers to Israel to replace Palestinian nationals working there,”

Now there is a great replacement right there. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on April 01, 2024, 04:17:12 pm

OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
According to Syrian Officials which have spoken to Reuters, Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi the Top Commander of the IRGC’s Quds Forces in Syria and Lebanon is Confirmed to have been Killed as a result of the Israeli Airstrike this morning against the Iranian Embassy Compound in the Syrian Capital of Damascus.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on April 01, 2024, 09:00:24 pm
(https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ayNEwqX_460s.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 03, 2024, 06:19:02 am
BREAKING: Israel agrees to reschedule delegation visit to the White House after last minute cancelation - ABC— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) March 27, 2024

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Report: In ‘difficult’ video call, US tells Israel its Rafah evacuation plan not viable
Virtual meeting between Blinken, Sullivan, Dermer and Hanegbi underlines sides are on ‘completely different pages’ regarding potential IDF op in southernmost Gaza city
Times of Israel, Apr 3, 2024

A virtual meeting on Monday between US and Israeli officials to discuss a potential IDF ground operation in Rafah was reportedly marked by tensions and accusations as Washington expressed deep skepticism over Israeli plans to operate in the southernmost Gaza city.

The two-hour video call between US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken on the American side and Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer and National Security Adviser Tzachi Hanegbi on the Israeli side was extremely “difficult,” a Tuesday Channel 12 report claimed, stating that it showed the US and Israel are on “completely different pages” when it comes to Israel’s planned operation in Rafah where Jerusalem says four Hamas battalions remain.

The US representatives expressed deep concern about the threat of famine in Gaza and were highly critical of the IDF’s plans for Rafah, saying its evacuation proposal for the million-plus noncombatants in the city was unimpressive and not implementable.

Offering Hebrew translations of the alleged English conversation, Channel 12 reported that Sullivan told the group: “You’re going to be responsible for the third famine crisis of the 21st century. That is not something we can accept as partners.

Blinken was said to tell Dermer and Hanegbi that “according to the pace of your operations, it will take you four months to evacuate Rafah.”

The Israeli officials were quoted as not having anything to say regarding the US critiques other than reiterating their belief that Hamas cannot be dismantled without the IDF going into Rafah.

Essentially, Channel 12 summed up, the US representatives on the call made clear that if Israel wants any kind of American green light for an operation in Rafah, it needs to provide a viable “day after” plan for the post-war management of Gaza along with a credible evacuation plan for Rafah.


More: https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-us-tells-israel-its-rafah-evacuation-plan-not-viable-in-harsh-video-call/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 03, 2024, 06:44:10 am
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Israel acknowledges killing 7 aid charity workers in ‘tragic, unintentional’ airstrike
Times of Israel, Apr 2, 2024

Facing searing criticism on Tuesday, Israel acknowledged mistakenly carrying out an airstrike that killed seven staff members of a US-based charity group who were unloading food brought by sea to the war-torn Gaza Strip.

The group World Central Kitchen said it was pausing operations after a “targeted Israeli strike” at around midnight between Monday and Tuesday killed three British and four other staffers — an Australian, a Palestinian, a Pole and a US-Canadian.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu acknowledged a “tragic” and “unintentional” incident and vowed to “do everything” to prevent a recurrence.

A Haaretz report on Tuesday afternoon said the IAF had fired three missiles in quick succession at three vehicles.

The aid group said the team had been traveling in a “de-conflicted” area in a convoy of “two armored cars branded with the WCK logo and a soft skin vehicle” at the time of the strike.

“Despite coordinating movements with the (Israeli army), the convoy was hit as it was leaving the Deir al-Balah warehouse, where the team had unloaded more than 100 tons of humanitarian food aid brought to Gaza on the maritime route,” it said.

The three vehicles were targeted over a distance of around 2 kilometers.

According to a report by the Haaretz daily, a Hermes 450 UAV fired three missiles at the convoy in quick succession despite the vehicles being clearly marked on their roof as being part of WCK. The decision was made by a unit guarding the aid transport route after troops earlier spotted what appeared to be an armed figure riding on a truck that entered an aid storage area with three WCK cars. The attack occurred moments after the three cars left the storage area, leaving the truck and the armed figure behind, according to the report.

After a missile hit one car, those inside evacuated to the other two cars, and managed to report they had been attacked before a second missile hit another car. As the last unharmed car approached to evacuate the wounded, a third missile hit. All seven people who had been in the vehicles were killed, Haaretz reported.

An initial IDF probe into the incident was expected to be released to the public in the coming days, as the General Staff Fact-Finding Assessment Mechanism carries out a more in-depth investigation.


More: https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-promises-probe-as-slain-aid-workers-home-countries-demand-explanation/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 03, 2024, 06:57:17 am
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
According to Syrian Officials which have spoken to Reuters, Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi the Top Commander of the IRGC’s Quds Forces in Syria and Lebanon is Confirmed to have been Killed as a result of the Israeli Airstrike this morning against the Iranian Embassy Compound in the Syrian Capital of Damascus.

Quote
U.S. tells Iran it “had no involvement” in Israel strike
Axios, Apr 1, 2024

The U.S. told Iran that it “had no involvement” or advanced knowledge of an Israeli strike on a diplomatic compound in Syria that killed a senior Iranian general, according to a U.S. official.

The rare message shows the Biden administration is deeply concerned that the Israeli strike could lead to a regional escalation and the resumption of attacks by pro-Iranian militias against U.S. forces.

Israel notified the Biden administration a few minutes before its air force conducted the strike but didn’t ask for a U.S. green light, Israeli and U.S. officials said.

A U.S. official said the Israeli heads-up wasn’t detailed and arrived when the military jets were already in the air. The Israelis didn’t tell the U.S., for example, that they were planning to bomb a building in the Iranian embassy compound.

The strike took place shortly before White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan and Secretary of State Blinken started a secure video conference call with top Israeli officials to discuss alternatives to an Israeli ground invasion in Rafah.

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/02/iran-embassy-syria-israel-strike-biden

Quote
From the NY Times Updates
Apr 1, 2024

“Iran’s foreign minister, Hossein Amir Abdollahian, said in a post on the social media site X that Iran had summoned the Swiss ambassador after midnight local time and asked that an important message be delivered to Washington: That as Israel’s ally, the “U.S. must answer” for Israel’s actions. Switzerland acts as the United States’ representative in the absence of diplomatic relations between Tehran and Washington.

In Washington, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, Adrienne Watson, said that “the United States had no involvement in the strike” and “did not know about it ahead of time.”

A U.S. official, who requested anonymity to discuss private communication, said that the statement had been communicated directly to Iran.”

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on April 03, 2024, 10:46:58 am
Saw a video on FOXNEWS showing the vehicle in which some of the aid charity workers were killed.

The vehicle was completely destroyed by the explosion/fire.  The tires disintegrated...the interior seats...he dashboard.

...all except TWO completely white signs with the logo of the World Central Kitchen were inside with charred edges. and another unscathed in the burnt out to-a-crisp trunk interior.

Not denying they were killed, but the photos were definitely STAGED.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on April 03, 2024, 10:09:50 pm
Gary Weiss
@gary_weiss
One grisly date to keep in mind: July 7, nine months after the horror of Oct. 7. If still alive and not aborted by their captives, that is about when pregnant hostages, raped by Hamas animals, will give birth. Got to figure Hamas's p.r. won't allow release of pregnant women.
10:48 AM · Apr 3, 2024

New York Post
@nypost
All Israeli female hostages being raped, sexually abused, says ex-captive: ‘No one to save you’ https://trib.al/aBQzR4e
4:34 PM · Apr 2, 2024

 :crying:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on April 04, 2024, 12:56:05 pm
The Biden administration is funneling American taxpayer dollars to Hezbollah families who had to evacuate South Lebanon due to the war that Hezbollah started with Israel.  Why is America helping Iran and its proxies pay for the damage that they cause?
https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1775601852563775622
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 05, 2024, 01:29:55 pm
Israeli military fires and reprimands officers for airstrikes killing World Central Kitchen workers
By
Mike Brest
April 5, 2024 8:08 am
.

The Israel Defense Forces decided to fire and reprimand some of the officers involved in the devastating airstrikes that killed seven aid workers in Gaza following the military’s investigation.

The brigade fire support commander will be released from his position, as will the brigade chief of staff, while the brigade commander, the 162nd Division commander, and the commander of Southern Command will be reprimanded. The military announced its findings on Friday.

On Monday, Israeli forces carried out multiple strikes on a convoy of vehicles carrying aid workers with the World Central Kitchen. The strikes were approved and launched despite WCK’s efforts to ensure their safety by coordinating their travel with the IDF.

Investigators concluded the strikes “should not have occurred” and that the military personnel who approved the strikes “were convinced that they were targeting armed Hamas operatives and not WCK employees.”

Israeli forces identified a gunman on one of the aid trucks as it left the warehouse where they unloaded aid, per investigators.

more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense/2954836/israeli-military-fires-reprimands-officers-airstrikes-killing-world-central-kitchen-workers/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 05, 2024, 01:31:38 pm
Saw a video on FOXNEWS showing the vehicle in which some of the aid charity workers were killed.

The vehicle was completely destroyed by the explosion/fire.  The tires disintegrated...the interior seats...he dashboard.

...all except TWO completely white signs with the logo of the World Central Kitchen were inside with charred edges. and another unscathed in the burnt out to-a-crisp trunk interior.

Not denying they were killed, but the photos were definitely STAGED.

(https://wex-s3.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/AP24093633768346-scaled.jpg)

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/04/including-foreigners-killed-israeli-airstrike-79376986_3bd20e.jpg?resize=2048,1365&quality=75&strip=all)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 05, 2024, 01:57:26 pm
BREAKING: Israel Fires Two Senior Officers in Wake of Drone Attack on World Central Kitchen Volunteers

Quote
    An internal Israeli military inquiry found that the drone team who killed them made an "operational misjudgment of the situation."

    It said the team had spotted a suspected Hamas gunman shooting from the top of one of the aid trucks they were escorting. The brigade officers who ordered the strikes, a colonel and a major, were dismissed, while senior commanders were also formally reprimanded.

    "The strike on the aid vehicles is a grave mistake stemming from a serious failure due to a mistaken identification, errors in decision-making, and an attack contrary to the Standard Operating Procedures," the military said in a statement on Friday.

    The three aid workers' vehicles had been emblazoned with large WCK logos. However, retired Israeli general Yoav Har-Even, who is leading the investigation, said the drone's camera could not see them because it was dark. "This was a key factor in the chain of events," he said.

more
https://redstate.com/streiff/2024/04/05/breaking-israel-fires-two-senior-officers-in-wake-of-drone-attack-on-world-central-kitchen-volunteers-n2172341
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on April 05, 2024, 01:59:43 pm
When dealing with Muslims, nothing can be trusted. Muslims routinely mark their troops/weapons transports as 'medical' or humanitarian relief. They have done this so often as to render the markings irrelevant in determining a target.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on April 05, 2024, 03:37:43 pm
When dealing with Muslims, nothing can be trusted. Muslims routinely mark their troops/weapons transports as 'medical' or humanitarian relief. They have done this so often as to render the markings irrelevant in determining a target.
And it's not like members of aid groups, including UN haven't worked with or facilitated Hamas.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on April 05, 2024, 03:45:04 pm
And it's not like members of aid groups, including UN haven't worked with or facilitated Hamas.
The terrorists count on Israel (and any Western country) behaving like civilized people. Even though Muslims have no problem bombing, they even specifically target, churches, kindergartens, refugees, and hospitals, the terrorist know that Israel will avoid these kinds of targets. They use Western humanitarianism to their advantage.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: jafo2010 on April 05, 2024, 04:32:37 pm
Gaza is a war zone.  Anyone in Gaza aiding Israel's enemy should be told to get out or die with Hamas.  PERIOD!!!

Israel is not responsible for the death of anyone there aiding their enemy.  Israel should kill everyone in their path.  PERIOD!!

The effort to avoid civilians is stupid American nonsense.  Palestinians are genocidal maniacs and should be treated like the deathly cancer they are, destroy all of them by any and all means possible.  The same mindset used to level Hiroshima and Nagasaki should be employed in Gaza, and render it uninhabitable for 100 years.  Any other policy approach is foolish and stupid.

And we all know it is NOT Biden running the USA government.  It is the clown he answered to eight years ago. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 06, 2024, 01:06:12 pm
 Hostage’s body recovered from Gaza: IDF
by Tara Suter - 04/06/24 8:35 AM ET

The body of a hostage held in Gaza has been recovered, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Saturday.

“The body of hostage Elad Katzir was rescued by security forces overnight from Khan Yunis and returned to Israeli territory,” the IDF said in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

Katzir was taken on Oct. 7, the same day Iran-backed Palestinian militant group Hamas mounted an attack on Israel, and the war in Gaza began.

“Elad Katzir was abducted from Kibbutz Nir Oz by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization during the October 7 Massacre,” the post continued. “His mother, Hanna, was also abducted by IJ and released on November 24, and his father, Avraham, was murdered in the kibbutz. According to intelligence, Elad was murdered by IJ in captivity.”

The announcement comes more than a week after the U.N. Security Council passed its first resolution calling for an immediate cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war, with the U.S. abstaining.

more
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4578220-hostage-body-recovered-gaza-idf/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 06, 2024, 01:19:41 pm
BREAKING: Israel Fires Two Senior Officers in Wake of Drone Attack on World Central Kitchen Volunteers

more
https://redstate.com/streiff/2024/04/05/breaking-israel-fires-two-senior-officers-in-wake-of-drone-attack-on-world-central-kitchen-volunteers-n2172341

Let me know when the Biden regime fires anyone for the Afghanistan debacle.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 06, 2024, 01:23:24 pm
Gaza is a war zone.  Anyone in Gaza aiding Israel's enemy should be told to get out or die with Hamas.  PERIOD!!!

Israel is not responsible for the death of anyone there aiding their enemy.  Israel should kill everyone in their path.  PERIOD!!

The only difference between Nazi Germany and Hamas Gaza is that a vast majority of Gazans support Hamas' actions.

War has consequences.  Hamas chose war.  They now suffer the consequences of their choice.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 08, 2024, 06:25:12 pm
Shaiel Ben-Ephraim
@academic_la
Tragic news: According to Amichai Stein on Channel 12 Israel news, Hamas has told the mediators that it does not have 40 hostages in the humanitarian category that are still alive. That is a category of women, children, the elderly, and the sick. The number that they say is alive, which is significantly lower, has not been made public. This, of course, is a serious obstacle for the ceasefire talks that seem to be progressing.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on April 08, 2024, 06:30:03 pm
Shaiel Ben-Ephraim
@academic_la
Tragic news: According to Amichai Stein on Channel 12 Israel news, Hamas has told the mediators that it does not have 40 hostages in the humanitarian category that are still alive. That is a category of women, children, the elderly, and the sick. The number that they say is alive, which is significantly lower, has not been made public. This, of course, is a serious obstacle for the ceasefire talks that seem to be progressing.

Israel should respond with renewed fury. Wipe them out.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: catfish1957 on April 08, 2024, 06:42:36 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IPzpaD4UOE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IPzpaD4UOE)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: bigheadfred on April 08, 2024, 06:44:19 pm
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
23m
Hamas Negotiators have reportedly told International Meditators in Cairo that it has No Ability to Release the 40 Hostages that are included in yesterday’s Ceasefire Proposal because out of the 136 Hostages that remain in the Gaza Strip, at least 100 are now believed to be Dead.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on April 08, 2024, 08:38:07 pm
Israel should respond with renewed fury. Wipe them out.
Hamas should not get anything they want, but all that they deserve.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: berdie on April 08, 2024, 09:24:37 pm
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
23m
Hamas Negotiators have reportedly told International Meditators in Cairo that it has No Ability to Release the 40 Hostages that are included in yesterday’s Ceasefire Proposal because out of the 136 Hostages that remain in the Gaza Strip, at least 100 are now believed to be Dead.




I'm surprised they would admit this. Of course, they will blame Israel...but too darn bad. There would not have been a hostage situation, or follow up attack had it not been for them.

It's time to bulldoze Gaza into the ocean, pronto and quickly.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 08, 2024, 10:26:25 pm
Netanyahu: The Date Is Set for Attack on Hamas in Rafah

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday that the date had been set for an Israeli military operation in the city of Rafah, near Gaza’s border with Egypt, to attack the last remaining Hamas battalions and destroy them.

Netanyahu spoke as Israeli negotiators were in Cairo, Egypt, in the hope of striking a deal with Hamas via Egyptian, Qatari, and American mediators to see some of the remaining 133 Israeli hostages released, some of whom are dead.

In a statement posted online, and translated and released by Israel’s Government Press Office, Netanyahu said:

“Today I received a detailed report on the talks in Cairo. We are working constantly to attain our objectives, first and foremost the release of all of our hostages and the achieving of total victory over Hamas. “This victory requires entering Rafah and eliminating the terrorist battalions there. This will happen; there is a date.”

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/04/08/netanyahu-the-date-is-set-for-attack-on-hamas-in-rafah-gaza/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on April 08, 2024, 10:58:04 pm
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
·
23m
Hamas Negotiators have reportedly told International Meditators in Cairo that it has No Ability to Release the 40 Hostages that are included in yesterday’s Ceasefire Proposal because out of the 136 Hostages that remain in the Gaza Strip, at least 100 are now believed to be Dead.

Ezekiel 25: 16-17
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast.

17 And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 09, 2024, 02:43:03 am
Ezekiel 25: 16-17
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast.

17 And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.

AMEN!

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bZJh1L3KtFM/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on April 09, 2024, 01:34:02 pm
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN

Nicaragua brings charges against Germany over Israel arms sales
 
'The purpose of this case is to scare not only Germany, but all European countries and all countries in the world from supplying arms to Israel' @danielspeaksup says

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1777366676457275427 (https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1777366676457275427)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on April 09, 2024, 02:26:22 pm
'The purpose of this case is to scare not only Germany, but all European countries and all countries in the world from supplying arms to Israel' @danielspeaksup says
The goal may be to 'scare' Europe, but come on. Who the hell is 'afraid' of Nicaragua?
Nicaragua has no standing in this matter and they have the 'international clout' of El Salvador - which is none.
To see Nicaragua talking about 'human rights abuses' in another country half way around the world from them, is bizarre.
Nicaragua should worry about its own history first. Israel could easily file a counter suit against them for the same thing.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on April 09, 2024, 03:53:11 pm
The goal may be to 'scare' Europe, but come on. Who the hell is 'afraid' of Nicaragua?
The mouse that roared.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 09, 2024, 11:16:58 pm
 Netanyahu warns that ‘no force in the world’ will stop IDF’s looming Rafah incursion: ‘Will complete the elimination’
By Social Links for Ronny Reyes
Published April 9, 2024
Updated April 9, 2024, 5:20 p.m. ET

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that “no force in the world” will stop the IDF’s looming advancement into Rafah, the Gaza Strip’s most populous city harboring more than 1 million Palestinian refugees.

Netanyahu was addressing new IDF recruits on Tuesday when he assured the soldiers that Israel will eradicate Hamas over the Oct. 7 massacre despite mounting pressure from the US and other world leaders to hold off on an invasion in Rafah until a robust civilian evacuation plan is secured.

“We will complete the elimination of the Hamas battalions, including in Rafah,” Netanyahu said of the city believed to be the operating site of four of the remaining six battalions.

“There is no force in the world that will stop us,” he added. “Many forces are trying to do this, but it will not help, because this enemy, after what it has done, will not do it again. It will cease to exist.”

more
https://nypost.com/2024/04/09/world-news/netanyahu-warns-that-no-force-in-the-world-will-stop-rafah-incursion/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on April 09, 2024, 11:20:12 pm
Netanyahu warns that ‘no force in the world’ will stop IDF’s looming Rafah incursion: ‘Will complete the elimination’
By Social Links for Ronny Reyes
Published April 9, 2024
Updated April 9, 2024, 5:20 p.m. ET

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that “no force in the world” will stop the IDF’s looming advancement into Rafah, the Gaza Strip’s most populous city harboring more than 1 million Palestinian refugees.

Netanyahu was addressing new IDF recruits on Tuesday when he assured the soldiers that Israel will eradicate Hamas over the Oct. 7 massacre despite mounting pressure from the US and other world leaders to hold off on an invasion in Rafah until a robust civilian evacuation plan is secured.

“We will complete the elimination of the Hamas battalions, including in Rafah,” Netanyahu said of the city believed to be the operating site of four of the remaining six battalions.

“There is no force in the world that will stop us,” he added. “Many forces are trying to do this, but it will not help, because this enemy, after what it has done, will not do it again. It will cease to exist.”

more
https://nypost.com/2024/04/09/world-news/netanyahu-warns-that-no-force-in-the-world-will-stop-rafah-incursion/

 :bkmk:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 10, 2024, 03:59:52 am
I have yet to hear a single Netanyahu critic come up with an alternative way to eliminate the Hamas threat.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on April 10, 2024, 04:09:19 am
I have yet to hear a single Netanyahu critic come up with an alternative way to eliminate the Hamas threat.

 ////00000////

Plan 'B', nuke Tehran?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 10, 2024, 01:20:01 pm
Israel Sends Record Number of Aid Trucks into Gaza; White House: ‘Not Good Enough’

Joel B. Pollak 9 Apr 2024

National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said Tuesday that Israel’s efforts to increase humanitarian aid to Gaza are “not good enough,” despite the fact that a record number of aid trucks are entering the territory daily since last week.

As Breitbart News reported earlier Tuesday, Israel moved a record number of aid trucks into Gaza on Sunday, and again on Monday, when the number of trucks reached 419. Prior to the war, 70 food trucks entered Gaza daily.

The increase in aid has been occurring throughout the war, but accelerated after President Joe Biden demanded an “immediate ceasefire” from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last week after the accidental deaths of seven aid workers. Israel pulled its ground troops out of southern Gaza and took steps to open additional crossing points into Gaza for humanitarian aid — including the Erez Crossing, which Hamas terrorists attacked on October 7.

Still, Sullivan was not satisfied. “That is good; it is not good enough,” he said. He did not say what else Israel had to do to satisfy the concerns of the administration, but suggested that U.S. policy toward Israel would depend on Israel’s compliance with the White House’s yet-to-be-defined demands.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/04/09/israel-sends-record-number-of-aid-trucks-into-gaza-white-house-not-good-enough/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 10, 2024, 02:30:10 pm
1. To LIEden's pack of Israel-Haters, there will never be "enough".

2. LIEden's pack of Israel-Haters hate that Israel inspected the trucks' contents for weapons and munitions.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 10, 2024, 02:31:50 pm
I have yet to hear a single Netanyahu critic come up with an alternative way to eliminate the Hamas threat.

Don't be holding your breath. They won't. To them the problem is Israel's obstinate continuing to exist.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 10, 2024, 04:05:04 pm
Don't be holding your breath. They won't. To them the problem is Israel's obstinate continuing to exist.

That is correct, @PeteS in CA.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 10, 2024, 07:29:48 pm

https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1778085390378741987
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on April 10, 2024, 10:08:30 pm

Israel threatens to launch direct attack on Iran - further escalating conflict in the Middle East

DAILYMAIL.COM
By DAVID AVERRE
10 April 2024

Israel's foreign minister today declared his nation's armed forces would launch direct retaliatory strikes on Iran should the Islamic Republic carry out an attack against Israel - the latest step in escalating tensions in the Middle East.

Writing in both his native Hebrew and Farsi, Israel Katz said on X: 'If Iran attacks from its territory, Israel will respond and attack in Iran.'

The blunt and threatening remark came after Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei early this morning reiterated a promise to 'punish an 'evil' Israel following a suspected IDF strike on the Iranian consulate in Syria that killed 12 people, including two top generals, on April 1.

(more)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13293045/israel-threaten-direct-attack-iran-middle-east-conflict.html
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 10, 2024, 10:54:53 pm
WRT the article in the post above, what's with the difference between the headline:

Quote
Israel threatens to launch direct attack on Iran - further escalating conflict in the Middle East

And what Katz actually said:

Quote
Writing in both his native Hebrew and Farsi, Israel Katz said on X: 'If Iran attacks from its territory, Israel will respond and attack in Iran.'

David Averre's and Daily Mail editorial staff's headline is a lie by omission.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on April 11, 2024, 01:02:23 am
Just as I thought - hostages are likely dead. Hamas likely tortured them and killed them or they died from being tortured.

-- Hamas has indicated it is currently unable to identify and track down 40 Israeli hostages needed for the first phase of a ceasefire deal, according to an Israeli official and a source familiar with the discussions, raising fears that more hostages may be dead than are publicly known.


https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-04-10-24/index.html
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DB on April 11, 2024, 03:13:51 am
https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1778085390378741987

It is cult of death.

It is has been said many times, until they love their children more than they hate their enemies there will not be peace.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 11, 2024, 03:12:49 pm
April 10, 2024
Released Israeli hostage alleges that isn’t wasn’t Hamas that abducted her, but the ‘civilians’ of Gaza
By Olivia Murray

As if you needed any more proof that “Palestinian civilians” are all too often de facto terrorists, here it is, from an article at the Jewish News Syndicate:

    Freed Israeli hostage: ‘Gazan civilians sold me to Hamas’

    Nili Margalit, 42, on a tour of Europe to raise awareness of the 133 Israeli hostages still in captivity, told France’s Le Point magazine on Monday that it was Palestinian Arab civilians, not Hamas, who abducted her from her home in Nir Oz on Oct. 7.

    ‘They negotiated with Hamas to sell me. When they were paid, I was taken straight into a tunnel,’ she said.

First of all, using the word civilian implies civility—and there’s nothing civil about kidnapping children, women, and grandparents, and then selling them to a terrorist group to be used as sex slaves, bargaining chips, and human shields.

more
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/04/released_israeli_hostage_alleges_that_isn_t_wasn_t_hamas_that_abducted_her_but_the_civilians_of_gaza.html
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Post by: Elderberry on April 12, 2024, 01:27:15 pm
A Mostly Peaceful Castration: CNN Eulogizes a Terrorist

Washington Free Beacon by Andrew Stiles 4/10/2024

Rot in hell, scumbag

CNN has done it again, folks. This time, instead of celebrating the "mostly peaceful" rioters hurling Molotov cocktails for racial justice, the esteemed news network has published a nice little eulogy for a terrorist.

Here's how CNN reported the death of Walid Daqqa: "Terminally ill Palestinian prisoner dies after 38 years in Israeli custody." That was only slightly better than Amnesty International's description of Daqqa as "a 62-year-old Palestinian writer" whose death in prison was "a cruel reminder of Israel's disregard for Palestinians' right to life."

Several paragraphs later, CNN explains that Daqqa was "seen as a terrorist" after his conviction for orchestrating the 1984 abduction, torture, and murder of Moshe Tamam, a 19-year-old Israeli soldier. Indeed, that doesn't seem like an entirely unfair characterization, especially given the horrific details of the case, which do not appear in the CNN article.

"Walid Daqqah and his collaborators gouged out Moshe's eyes and cut off parts of his body, including castrating him," the Times of Israel recounted in 2023 after Amnesty International demanded the terrorist's release from prison. "Lastly, they took Moshe to an olive grove and shot him dead. His corpse was left there to be found."

More: https://freebeacon.com/author/stiles/media/a-mostly-peaceful-castration-cnn-eulogizes-a-terrorist/
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Post by: Elderberry on April 12, 2024, 01:33:39 pm
Indonesia ready to normalize ties with Israel as part of bid to join OECD – official

The Times of Israel by Joshua Davidovich 11 April 2024

Head of economic forum said to broker deal that could see world’s largest Muslim nation establish relationship in exchange for Jerusalem smoothing way into developed countries club

Indonesia could normalize ties with Israel as part of a deal to smooth the entry of the world’s most populous Muslim nation into a global forum for developed countries, an Israeli official said Thursday.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, confirmed a report in Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth detailing months of hush-hush talks between Jerusalem, Jakarta, and Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development Secretary-General Mathias Cormann.

Normalization would mark a stunning about-face for Indonesia at a time when anti-Israel sentiment in the Muslim world is running higher than it has in years due to the war in the Gaza Strip.

But establishing ties would also spell an end to Israeli opposition to Indonesia joining the OECD, according to the report.

The OECD began the process of adding Jakarta to the 38-nation forum in February, but Israel had reportedly objected to its accession due to the lack of diplomatic relations. Countries must receive unanimous support to join the bloc, which is dedicated to advancing economic growth via neo-liberal fiscal policies.

Cormann initially secured a promise from Indonesia to shift its critical stance toward Israel, but Foreign Minister Israel Katz balked at pulling Jerusalem’s opposition, saying normalization would be needed, Yedioth reported.

More: https://www.timesofisrael.com/indonesia-agrees-to-normalize-ties-with-israel-if-it-joins-oecd-report/ (https://www.timesofisrael.com/indonesia-agrees-to-normalize-ties-with-israel-if-it-joins-oecd-report/)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 12, 2024, 03:14:21 pm
Aviva Klompas
@AvivaKlompas
Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh learns that three of his sons were killed and responds: "I thank Allah for the honor that my children and grandchildren have been martyred."

In other words, Ismail Haniyeh proved himself to be a horrible father, offering his sons up for martyrdom after filling their heads with lies while being too big a coward to martyr himself.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 12, 2024, 03:15:21 pm
Indonesia ready to normalize ties with Israel as part of bid to join OECD – official

This is huge.  Indonesia has more muslims than any other country.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Timber Rattler on April 12, 2024, 04:05:47 pm
Say, Did You Hear About Hamas' Plan to Enslave the Jews?

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/04/12/say-did-you-hear-hamas-plan-to-enslave-the-jews-n3786380

Quote
Did Hamas merely want to kick-start the statehood process with its barbaric rapes and murders on 1200-plus unarmed men, women, and children on October 7? Not according to a report from Haaretz last week. Hamas leaders had launched the attack expecting to trigger a calamitous and overwhelming conquest of Israel. In fact, they had such confidence in their war strategy that they had already divided Israel into cantons, assigned leadership to them, and made plans for its population under a new Islamist regime.

And those plans will sound very, very familiar to scholars of the last regime that set out to conquer the Jews.

Haaretz' Shlomi Eldar got the story from the wealthy Gazans that managed to flee from the war Hamas started. Gazans call them "the new Jews" because of their wealth in the midst of their poverty, a rather telling anti-Semitic trope. These elites still make money off of remote black-market sales of staples in the Strip, but the anger must always be turned to the Jews rather than the exploitation created by the Palestinian elite.

But these elites have apparently had enough of Hamas. They told Eldar that their leadership had succumbed to "messianic insanity" to such an extent that they had drawn up new political maps of Israel to distribute political power after the conquest. That was bad enough, but Hamas' plans for the Israelis that survived might just as well have come from the pages of Mein Kampf:

EXCERPT
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on April 13, 2024, 07:49:12 pm
Iran readies more than 100 cruise missiles and drones for deadly Israel strike, US intelligence officials reveal, as Pentagon moves aircraft carrier into the Red Sea amid fears of full-scale war

DAILYMAIL.COM
JOE HUTCHISON
13 April 2024
(more)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13303853/Iran-readies-cruise-missiles-attack-Israel.html
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on April 13, 2024, 07:58:40 pm
Is it wise to put an aircraft carrier in the Red Sea?  Isn't that just a large lake of bathtub?  Not much room to navigate and maneuver.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 13, 2024, 08:20:08 pm
Is it wise to put an aircraft carrier in the Red Sea?  Isn't that just a large lake of bathtub?  Not much room to navigate and maneuver.

Only if you want to keep your strike force as far away from Iran as possible and show the world what a demented old weak-ass POS you are.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Timber Rattler on April 13, 2024, 09:05:25 pm
Not sure how the Iranians plan to fire all that ordnance at Israel without torquing off all the countries in between.  Nor where the U.S. Navy could conceivably intervene, considering the geopgraphy.

(https://geology.com/world/middle-east-map.gif)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 13, 2024, 09:29:50 pm
Is it wise to put an aircraft carrier in the Red Sea?  Isn't that just a large lake of bathtub?  Not much room to navigate and maneuver.

It looks to me like the Red Sea is ~200 miles wide at its widest ... near Sanaa Yemen (can you say Houthiville?). For a carrier that's not a great deal of maneuvering room and determining its exact location would be too easy.

IMO, it's a bad idea, but endangering US military personnel is probably not a big deal to LIEden.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 13, 2024, 09:33:56 pm
Nor where the U.S. Navy could conceivably intervene, considering the geopgraphy.

The US was in the perfect place to intervene up until the point that Obama totally destroyed our relationship with Iraq.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on April 13, 2024, 09:51:39 pm
IT WAS THE DEMOCRAT! JIMMAH CATATH WHO CREATED THIS WHOLE MESS.
IT WAS JIMMAH CAATTAH WHO REBUILT THE ISLAMIC THEORACRAY.

Jimmy Carter cursed so many millions to their death. I only hope that he meets them in the after life.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 14, 2024, 12:58:46 pm
Mossad: Hamas Rejects Hostage Deal with Israel

Israel’s spy agency, the Mossad, said Sunday that Hamas had rejected Israel’s offer for a deal to release some of the 133 remaining hostages being held in Gaza.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/04/13/mossad-hamas-rejects-hostage-deal-with-israel/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 14, 2024, 02:41:51 pm
Mossad: Hamas Rejects Hostage Deal with Israel

Israel’s spy agency, the Mossad, said Sunday that Hamas had rejected Israel’s offer for a deal to release some of the 133 remaining hostages being held in Gaza.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/04/13/mossad-hamas-rejects-hostage-deal-with-israel/

LIEden arm-twists Israel into accepting a cease fire.
Israel makes a cease-fire offer that includes releasing hostages.
Hamas rejects the offer.

LIEden arm-twists Israel into accepting a cease fire.
Israel makes a cease-fire offer that includes releasing hostages.
Hamas rejects the offer.

LIEden arm-twists Israel into accepting a cease fire.
Israel makes a cease-fire offer that includes releasing hostages.
Hamas rejects the offer.

LIEden arm-twists Israel into accepting a cease fire.
Israel makes a cease-fire offer that includes releasing hostages.
Hamas rejects the offer.

LIEden arm-twists Israel into accepting a cease fire.
Israel makes a cease-fire offer that includes releasing hostages.
Hamas rejects the offer.

LIEden arm-twists Israel into accepting a cease fire.
Rinse and Repeat
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on April 16, 2024, 12:46:54 am
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN

🔴 Hamas offers to release only 20 hostages, demands more Palestinian prisoners in new ceasefire proposal - report

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1779931105048907934 (https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1779931105048907934)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 16, 2024, 01:08:34 am
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN

🔴 Hamas offers to release only 20 hostages, demands more Palestinian prisoners in new ceasefire proposal - report

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1779931105048907934 (https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1779931105048907934)

I think the possibility of a deal expired Saturday night.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DB on April 16, 2024, 01:33:33 am
I think the possibility of a deal expired Saturday night.

Hamas thought Iran was going to pave their way and now that that path fizzled badly they have to come up with another plan to survive.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 16, 2024, 01:35:27 pm
Israeli Commandos Operating Inside Lebanon to Remove Hezbollah

Israel Defense Forces (IDF) commandos are already operating inside southern Lebanon to attack and remove Hezbollah positions near the border, Breitbart News can report.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/04/15/israeli-commandos-operating-inside-lebanon-to-remove-hezbollah/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 16, 2024, 01:38:28 pm
EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS: Empty Israeli Towns Near Border with Lebanon; 60,000 Remain Refugees

(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2024/04/Shlomi-Joel-Pollak-640x480.jpg)

Tens of thousands of Israelis remain refugees in their own country after

attacks by Hezbollah, the Iran-backed terrorist army, forced the

evacuation of communities near the northern border in October.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/04/15/exclusive-photos-empty-israeli-towns-near-border-with-lebanon-60000-remain-refugees/

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 16, 2024, 06:48:55 pm
 Nearly 50 attendees of Israel’s Nova festival died by suicide since Oct. 7 Hamas terrorist attack, survivor says
By Social Links for Yaron Steinbuch
Published April 16, 2024
Updated April 16, 2024, 12:39 p.m. ET

Nearly 50 traumatized revelers who survived the Hamas attack on the Nova music festival in Israel have died by suicide in the last six months because they were unable to cope with the tragedy, a survivor revealed Tuesday.

“Few people know, but there have been almost 50 suicides among the Nova survivors. This number, which was true two months ago, may have increased since,” Nova festival survivor Guy Ben Shimon told a parliamentary hearing for a State Audit Commission on the treatment of the Oct. 7 survivors.

He said many of his friends who escaped the massacre could not recover from what they had witnessed, I24NEWS reported.

“There are many survivors who had to be forcibly hospitalized due to their psychological state. My friends are not getting out of bed, neither am I,” he said in Hebrew.

“I am practically unable to do anything. I had to get a dog to help me survive in my daily life. The goal for all of us is to return to work and function normally, but we cannot do it without adequate help,” Ben Shimon added.

more
https://nypost.com/2024/04/16/world-news/nearly-50-attendees-of-israels-nova-festival-died-by-suicide-since-oct-7-hamas-terrorist-attack-survivor-says/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 17, 2024, 04:15:53 am
https://twitter.com/OALD24/status/1780249101667299664
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 17, 2024, 04:20:30 pm
Does Israel have "Ginsu" Hellfire-style missiles?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on April 18, 2024, 02:54:50 am
Does Israel have "Ginsu" Hellfire-style missiles?
Nah, they have the "Mohel" missile and it circumcises the terrorists....from the neck up.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on April 21, 2024, 06:15:50 pm
Massive Israeli airstrike against Rafah in the southern part of the Gaza Strip.  :laugh:
That's Rafah, Joe Biden - not Haifa.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1782086084132040918
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 21, 2024, 06:31:16 pm
Rafah has begun?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 21, 2024, 06:58:51 pm
Rafah has begun?

The money for Israel passed in the House.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on April 21, 2024, 07:03:09 pm
Mossad: Hamas Rejects Hostage Deal with Israel

Israel’s spy agency, the Mossad, said Sunday that Hamas had rejected Israel’s offer for a deal to release some of the 133 remaining hostages being held in Gaza.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/04/13/mossad-hamas-rejects-hostage-deal-with-israel/

 8888crybaby **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on April 21, 2024, 07:03:35 pm
Nearly 50 attendees of Israel’s Nova festival died by suicide since Oct. 7 Hamas terrorist attack, survivor says
By Social Links for Yaron Steinbuch
Published April 16, 2024
Updated April 16, 2024, 12:39 p.m. ET

Nearly 50 traumatized revelers who survived the Hamas attack on the Nova music festival in Israel have died by suicide in the last six months because they were unable to cope with the tragedy, a survivor revealed Tuesday.

“Few people know, but there have been almost 50 suicides among the Nova survivors. This number, which was true two months ago, may have increased since,” Nova festival survivor Guy Ben Shimon told a parliamentary hearing for a State Audit Commission on the treatment of the Oct. 7 survivors.

He said many of his friends who escaped the massacre could not recover from what they had witnessed, I24NEWS reported.

“There are many survivors who had to be forcibly hospitalized due to their psychological state. My friends are not getting out of bed, neither am I,” he said in Hebrew.

“I am practically unable to do anything. I had to get a dog to help me survive in my daily life. The goal for all of us is to return to work and function normally, but we cannot do it without adequate help,” Ben Shimon added.

more
https://nypost.com/2024/04/16/world-news/nearly-50-attendees-of-israels-nova-festival-died-by-suicide-since-oct-7-hamas-terrorist-attack-survivor-says/

Such an absolute tragedy.   8888crybaby
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 21, 2024, 07:08:09 pm
Quote
Israeli strikes on Rafah kill 22, mostly children, as US advances aid package
The House of Representatives approved a $26 billion aid package on Saturday.
ABC News, Apr 21, 2024

RAFAH, Gaza Strip -- Israeli strikes on the southern Gaza city of Rafah overnight killed 22 people, including 18 children, health officials said Sunday, as the United States was on track to approve billions of dollars of additional military aid to Israel, its close ally.

Israel has carried out near-daily air raids on Rafah, where more than half of Gaza's population of 2.3 million has sought refuge from fighting elsewhere. It has also vowed to expand its ground offensive against the Hamas militant group to the city on the border with Egypt despite international calls for restraint, including from the U.S.

“In the coming days, we will increase the political and military pressure on Hamas because this is the only way to bring back our hostages and achieve victory. We will land more and painful blows on Hamas – soon," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement. He didn't give details.

The first Israeli strike in Rafah killed a man, his wife and their 3-year-old child, according to the nearby Kuwaiti Hospital, which received the bodies. The woman was pregnant and the doctors saved the baby, the hospital said. The second strike killed 17 children and two women from an extended family.

“These children were sleeping. What did they do? What was their fault?” asked one relative, Umm Kareem. Another relative, Umm Mohammad, said the oldest killed, an 80-year-old aunt, was taken out “in pieces.” Small children were zipped into body bags.

Mohammed al-Beheiri said his daughter, Rasha, and her six children, the youngest 18 months old, were among those killed. A woman and three children were still under the rubble.

The Israel-Hamas war has killed over 34,000 Palestinians, according to local health officials, at least two-thirds of them children and women. It has devastated Gaza's two largest cities and left a swath of destruction. Around 80% of the territory's population have fled to other parts of the besieged coastal enclave.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israeli-strikes-southern-gaza-city-rafah-kill-13-109471596
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Post by: DB on April 21, 2024, 07:20:15 pm
Such an absolute tragedy.   8888crybaby

Yes, very disturbing. I have no sympathy for the "Palestinians". They earned what they're getting in return.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 21, 2024, 07:45:30 pm


And I believe ABC.....

"Mostly children..." is like "Women and children hardest hit."
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on April 21, 2024, 08:15:22 pm
And I believe ABC.....

"Mostly children..." is like "Women and children hardest hit."

Story was filed by ByMOHAMMAD JAHJOUH and SAMY MAGDY Associated Press

Check your disbelief at the door when you have two HAmas supporters.
filing stories.

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 21, 2024, 09:03:43 pm
And I believe ABC....."Mostly children..." is like "Women and children hardest hit."

You may be right @Cyber Liberty  But, Israel hasn't denied the reports and this is pretty compelling video:

Massive Israeli airstrike against Rafah in the southern part of the Gaza Strip.  :laugh:
That's Rafah, Joe Biden - not Haifa.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1782086084132040918

I posted the ABC report ( there are others from other sources, too) just as a point of reference.  This is part of the reason there is a slow motion global seismic shift from pro to anti Israeli support ---- if this shift matters to anyone, at all. :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on April 21, 2024, 09:29:39 pm
Quote
there is a slow motion global seismic shift from pro to anti Israeli support ---- if this shift matters to anyone, at all.
Let's see, who is anti-Israel. Communists, Antifa, Islamic terrorists, the Democrat party, Q Anon ...

No, it doesn't matter to me.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on April 21, 2024, 09:39:05 pm
Let's see, who is anti-Israel. Communists, Antifa, Islamic terrorists, the Democrat party, Q Anon ...

No, it doesn't matter to me.

 888high58888
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 21, 2024, 09:40:25 pm
Let's see, who is anti-Israel. Communists, Antifa, Islamic terrorists, the Democrat party, Q Anon ...

No, it doesn't matter to me.

Look beyond your comfort zone .....
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 21, 2024, 09:50:37 pm
And I believe ABC.....

"Mostly children..." is like "Women and children hardest hit."

According to Hamas militants pretending to be health officials.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on April 21, 2024, 09:58:15 pm
Look beyond your comfort zone .....

@Right_in_Virginia

Maybe you've said it before and I missed it, but I'm wondering why you think that, after so many failed attempts at Middle East peace, there's actually a workable solution?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: GtHawk on April 21, 2024, 10:55:54 pm
@Right_in_Virginia

Maybe you've said it before and I missed it, but I'm wondering why you think that, after so many failed attempts at Middle East peace, there's actually a workable solution?
There will never be peace, it's not even possible until the moslems leave the Medieval ages and come into modern times...and not even then because they will never evolve past the religious war mentality and they are at war with every religion, including the different flavors of moslem. So I say kill them all(moslems) and let GOD sort it out.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on April 21, 2024, 11:11:56 pm
Why are there buildings still standing in Rafah?

Hamas terrorists embed themselves with civilians.  To kill Hamas terrorists you have to risk collateral civilian casualties.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Timber Rattler on April 22, 2024, 12:37:10 am
Look beyond your comfort zone .....

And what would that be?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 22, 2024, 01:21:22 am
@Right_in_Virginia

Maybe you've said it before and I missed it, but I'm wondering why you think that, after so many failed attempts at Middle East peace, there's actually a workable solution?

A twofer, @AllThatJazzZ :

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TDwPVFkS9z8/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 22, 2024, 01:35:42 am
This is part of the reason there is a slow motion global seismic shift from pro to anti Israeli support ---- if this shift matters to anyone, at all. :shrug:

The only thing that matters is you posting a completely fictitious account of world events.  Slow motion global seismic shift from pro to anti Israel support?  This is such BS.  And completely indicative of the pitfalls one encounters when they make things up as they go.

btw, still waiting for that UN Resolution that condemns Hamas.

Also, don't you think it is highly hypocritical of you to suggest that Israel gained global support as the victims of an attack when you ridicule the same for the Holocaust?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Wingnut on April 22, 2024, 01:56:50 am
Look beyond your comfort zone .....
Your comfort zone is Jew hate. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 22, 2024, 03:06:10 am
The only thing that matters is you posting a completely fictitious account of world events.

Oy vavoy   :facepalm2: 

You must peek outside this bubble from time to time.  Read the European news outlets, Middle Eastern reports, news from Asia, India, Africa and Israel itself.

Educate yourself, at least know what is actually being said and where public opinion is moving.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 22, 2024, 03:12:42 am
@Right_in_Virginia

Maybe you've said it before and I missed it, but I'm wondering why you think that, after so many failed attempts at Middle East peace, there's actually a workable solution?

Because there really haven't been honest attempts at peace.  The one time Israel had a patriot leader with courage to move toward peace and stability, he was assassinated.  And, yes I'm talking about two states @AllThatJazzZ
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Timber Rattler on April 22, 2024, 03:13:25 am
Oy vavoy   :facepalm2: 

You must peek outside this bubble from time to time.  Read the European news outlets, Middle Eastern reports, news from Asia, India, Africa and Israel itself.

Educate yourself, at least know what is actually being said and where public opinion is moving.

So please describe this 'bubble' or 'comfort zone' you keep alluding to.

Quote
Because there really haven't been honest attempts at peace.

So how do you make peace with a dishonest, bad faith terrorist government, that is demanding your annihilation as its ultimate goal?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 22, 2024, 03:20:53 am
Because there really haven't been honest attempts at peace.  The one time Israel had a patriot leader with courage to move toward peace and stability, he was assassinated.

Yitzhak Rabin - Father of the Olso War.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 22, 2024, 03:34:49 am
So how do you make peace with a dishonest, bad faith terrorist government, that is demanding your annihilation as its ultimate goal?

Are you not aware how stale this  pointing-up  mantra has become?  Few, if any, governments buy it anymore. 

Two states ---- negotiated by tribes in the neighborhood, only --- and passed by the UN.  Let's bring the Palestinian existence out from under Israel and both under the umbrella of international law.  Let's not be afraid to see where this goes.   happy77

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Timber Rattler on April 22, 2024, 03:36:44 am
Are you not aware how stale this  pointing-up  mantra has become?  Few, if any, governments buy it anymore. 

Two states ---- negotiated by tribes in the neighborhood, only --- and passed by the UN.  Let's bring the Palestinian existence out from under Israel and both under the umbrella of international law.  Let's not be afraid to see where this goes.   happy77

It goes straight to where it is now...war.

Are you seriously that naive or just dumb?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 22, 2024, 03:41:45 am
It goes straight to where it is now...war.

Are you seriously that naive or just dumb?

You've got to move beyond your knee jerks.





Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 22, 2024, 04:02:55 am
Because there really haven't been honest attempts at peace.

So how do you make peace with a dishonest, bad faith terrorist government, that is demanding your annihilation as its ultimate goal?

Word.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 22, 2024, 04:04:17 am
Two states ---- negotiated by tribes in the neighborhood, only --- and passed by the UN.  Let's bring the Palestinian existence out from under Israel and both under the umbrella of international law.  Let's not be afraid to see where this goes.   happy77

You mean like back when Egypt occupied Gaza and the West Bank was part of Jordan?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 22, 2024, 04:26:55 am
You mean like back when Egypt occupied Gaza and the West Bank was part of Jordan?

No.  I mean two states, one Israeli, one Palestinian.

Get past your fear.




Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 22, 2024, 04:59:27 am
No.  I mean two states, one Israeli, one Palestinian.

Get past your fear.

Already tried.  1948.  How did that turn out?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on April 22, 2024, 05:56:57 am
Already tried.  1948.  How did that turn out?

Of course it didn't, but for some strange reason, there are those who refuse to believe that the unnatural hatred for (1) Israel and (2) the Jews can be fixed. How we can stay stuck in that mindset for decades is scary. And, America, remember. If they were to annihilate the Jews, guess who they're coming after next.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on April 22, 2024, 01:01:03 pm
Once again, I repeat. There is no such thing as a Palestinian.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 22, 2024, 01:34:54 pm
Head of Israeli military intelligence resigns over Oct. 7 terrorist attack
By
Associated Press
April 22, 2024 7:57 am
.

The head of Israeli military intelligence resigned on Monday over the failures surrounding Hamas’ unprecedented Oct. 7 attack, the military said, becoming the first senior figure to step down over his role in the deadliest assault in Israel’s history.

Maj. Gen. Aharon Haliva’s resignation could set the stage for more resignations among Israel’s top security brass over Hamas’ attack, when militants blasted through Israel’s border defenses, rampaged through Israeli communities unchallenged for hours and killed 1,200 people, most civilians, while taking roughly 250 hostages into Gaza. That attack set off the war against Hamas in Gaza, now in its seventh month.

“The intelligence directorate under my command did not live up to the task we were entrusted with. I carry that black day with me ever since, day after day, night after night. I will carry the horrible pain of the war with me forever,” Haliva wrote in his resignation letter, which was provided by the military.

Haliva, as well as other military and security leaders, were widely expected to resign in response to the glaring failures that led up to Oct. 7 and the scale of its ferocity.

more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign-policy/2973807/head-israeli-military-intelligence-resigns-oct-7-terrorist-attack/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: PeteS in CA on April 22, 2024, 02:34:57 pm
Quote
Israeli strikes on the southern Gaza city of Rafah overnight killed 22 people, including 18 children, health officials said Sunday ...

Hamas wouldn't lie ... like falsely claim an Israeli 500 lb. bomb struck a hospital building when it was actually a defective rocket launched by Hamas (or a Hamas ally) that crashed and burned in a hospital parking lot.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 22, 2024, 04:11:38 pm
Are you not aware how stale this  pointing-up  mantra has become?  Few, if any, governments buy it anymore. 

Two states ---- negotiated by tribes in the neighborhood, only --- and passed by the UN.  Let's bring the Palestinian existence out from under Israel and both under the umbrella of international law.  Let's not be afraid to see where this goes.   happy77

You know that won't affect the level of terrorism from the Pallies, right?  They will still fire rockets at Israeli civilians.  What you suggest has been tried by Israel, time and again, yet 10/7 still happened.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: roamer_1 on April 22, 2024, 05:47:51 pm
Once again, I repeat. There is no such thing as a Palestinian.

Historical FACT.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 22, 2024, 06:15:14 pm
Are you not aware how stale this  pointing-up  mantra has become?  Few, if any, governments buy it anymore. 

Two states ---- negotiated by tribes in the neighborhood, only --- and passed by the UN.  Let's bring the Palestinian existence out from under Israel and both under the umbrella of international law.  Let's not be afraid to see where this goes.   happy77

You know that won't affect the level of terrorism from the Pallies, right?  They will still fire rockets at Israeli civilians.  What you suggest has been tried by Israel, time and again, yet 10/7 still happened.

I know no such thing about the future @Cyber Liberty.  No one does.  But, success does demand less from Western governments, including our own, and more from the neighborhood players.

It also sounds like you're saying Israel has tried a two state solution time and again, but, I don't think that's correct.  If my knowledge of history serves, the closest Israel has come to even beginning the two state journey was under Rabin ---- and he was assassinated, by Israelis.

It seems to me what Israel has tried "time and again" under the tutelage of Benjamin Netanyahu and his Party has been to divide the West Bank and Gaza Strip --- keeping them political enemies to prevent a Palestinian state.  I've posted two or three articles on this very topic. --- Netanyahu's favorite argument has always been:  these two guys can't get along, so I have no one to negotiate with, shucks.  888blackhat

This is the reason Bibi approved transfers of more than a billion dollars from Qatar to Hamas through the years, his last approval in Sep 2023.  He was buying silence from Hamas ---- content Hamas couldn't possible spend that money on tunnels and weapons ---- so he could focus on settlements in the West Bank.  This is how Oct 7 happened.

I think it's time to do what's not been tried before:  Two states ---- negotiated by tribes in the neighborhood, only --- bringing the Palestinian existence out from under Israel and BOTH beneath the umbrella of international law. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on April 22, 2024, 08:12:37 pm

I think it's time to do what's not been tried before:  Two states ---- negotiated by tribes in the neighborhood, only --- bringing the Palestinian existence out from under Israel and BOTH beneath the umbrella of international law.

@Right_in_Virginia

Bibi has bent over backwards to tolerate people who do NOT belong in that land. The only solution I'm in favor of is allowing Israel to live peacefully in the covenant land that was given to them by God.  (https://mesabiblestudy.com/god-made-the-promises-to-israel-god-himself-deeded-the-land-to-abraham-it-wasnt-a-mutual-or-a-conditional-covenant/)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 22, 2024, 08:57:15 pm
@Right_in_Virginia

Bibi has bent over backwards to tolerate people who do NOT belong in that land. The only solution I'm in favor of is allowing Israel to live peacefully in the covenant land that was given to them by God.  (https://mesabiblestudy.com/god-made-the-promises-to-israel-god-himself-deeded-the-land-to-abraham-it-wasnt-a-mutual-or-a-conditional-covenant/)

I simply believe the old Covenant has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ and He brought forth the new and everlasting Covenant in fulfillment of the Scriptures and the Israelites' mission.

Still, I appreciate you and respect your beliefs on this @AllThatJazzZ   happy77
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Fishrrman on April 22, 2024, 09:27:40 pm
To paraphrase:

Know palis, the Israelis will have no peace.
NO palis, the Israelis will know peace.

Which option shall it be?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: SZonian on April 22, 2024, 09:34:24 pm
"...bringing the Palestinian existence out from under Israel and BOTH beneath the umbrella of international law."
What a joke. As if...the palis are rewarded for their savagery, not punished and how would creating states of either or both change this? Simply, it won't.
As far as the international "community" is concerned, they'd rather see Israel annihilated vs. holding a single pali responsible their behavior.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Bigun on April 22, 2024, 11:23:19 pm
As long as we insist on maintaining the "moral high ground", we will NEVER win the war on terrorism!  We're in a conflict which we absolutely INSIST on playing by the rules - against a maniacal group who have NO rules! 

Rattlesnake Logic in dealing with terrorists. 

After the Boston bombing the news media spent days and weeks trying to determine why these men did what they did.  They want to know what America did to make these brothers so angry with us. 

They want to know why these men were not arrested before they did something so terrible. 

The media is in a tizzy about this new era of home-grown radicals and about why and how they can live among us and still hate us. 

A Texan explained it: 

Here in west Texas, I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us. 

I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch.  I have killed a rattlesnake on the back porch. 

I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the driveway. 

In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter. I kill rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison. I don't stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will bite me; 

I know it WILL bite me because it's a rattlesnake and that's what rattlesnakes do. 

I don't try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a "meaningful dialogue" with it.  I just kill it. 

I don't try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a way to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me..  I just kill them. 

I don't quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the other snakes are, because (a) it won't tell me and (b) I already know they live on my place. So, I just kill the rattlesnake and move on to the next one. 

I don't look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a non-poisonous rat snake. I just kill it. Oh, and on occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at the time. 

Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking out there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place of rattlesnakes. 

Do I fear them?  Not really. Do I respect what they can do to me and my family?  Yes! 

And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they deserve. I kill them.  As a country, we should start  giving more  thought to the fact that these jihadists' are telling the world their goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life. 

They have posted graphic videos on the Internet showing them beheading Americans. They are serious.  They are exactly like rattlesnakes. It is high time for us to start acting accordingly! 

I love this country.  It's the damn government I'm afraid of!  Why? 

Look who's new in the White House! 

Arif Alikhan, Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security 

Mohammed Elibiary, Homeland Security Adviser 

Rashad Hussain, Special Envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) 

Salam al-Marayati, Obama adviser and founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council and is its current executive director 

Imam Mohamed Magid, Obama's Sharia Czar from the Islamic Society of North America 

Eboo Patel, Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships  

This is flat-out scary!  The foxes are now officially living in the hen house...  Now ask me why I am very concerned! Do you feel OK with this?  How can this happen? - and when will we wake up? 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on April 22, 2024, 11:26:44 pm
I simply believe the old Covenant has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ and He brought forth the new and everlasting Covenant in fulfillment of the Scriptures and the Israelites' mission.

Still, I appreciate you and respect your beliefs on this @AllThatJazzZ   happy77

@Right_in_Virginia

Yes, our salvation and deliverance was completed at the cross. That didn't stop God's timetable. Dear sister, you're not rightly dividing the Word. I'm not the one to correct you, but I hope you press in and study the will of God concerning the times we're living in. Man's "wisdom" won't do. There are things that seem right to man that lead to destruction.

BTW, I also respect your beliefs. 
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 22, 2024, 11:33:47 pm
State Department spotlights alleged Israeli human rights abuses
By
Joel Gehrke
April 22, 2024 7:13 pm
.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken pledged not to give Israel the benefit of a “double standard” amid a controversy with Jerusalem about potential sanctions on an Israeli military unit.

“Do we have a double standard? The answer is no,” Blinken told reporters Monday at the State Department. “We apply the same standard to everyone, and that doesn’t change whether the country in question is an adversary, a competitor, a friend, or an ally.”

Blinken offered that commitment to impartiality at the publication of an annual report on human rights around the world that numbered Israel among the countries with “significant human rights issues.” While Blinken stopped short of offering a judgment on war crimes allegations, the report’s unveiling coincides with a dispute between U.S. and Israeli officials on a potential finding that an Israel Defense Forces unit has committed human rights violations deserving of sanctions.

“I think a good example of a process that is very deliberate, that seeks to get the facts, to get all the information, that has to be done carefully,” Blinken said. “And that’s exactly how we proceeded, as we proceed with any country that is the recipient of military assistance from the United States. And again, the same standard applies.”

more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign-policy/2975069/state-department-spotlights-alleged-israeli-human-rights-abuses/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on April 22, 2024, 11:35:10 pm
@Bigun That's a good word!  888high58888 Didn't know about those new additions to the White House. So many things make my blood run cold these days. It scares the liver out of me to have Biden/Dems in the White House. They have a massive amount of tolerance for Muslims; zero for Christians and even non-believing Americans who are conservative. I can't believe I'm watching an administration completely destroy our country. There aren't enough tears.  8888crybaby
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on April 22, 2024, 11:42:43 pm
@Bigun That's a good word!  888high58888 Didn't know about those new additions to the White House. So many things make my blood run cold these days. It scares the liver out of me to have Biden/Dems in the White House. They have a massive amount of tolerance for Muslims; zero for Christians and even non-believing Americans who are conservative. I can't believe I'm watching an administration completely destroy our country. There aren't enough tears.  8888crybaby

I absolutely agree with you @AllThatJazzZ  -- there aren't enough tears and yes, I am in absolutely disgusted at what is happening as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DCPatriot on April 23, 2024, 12:12:38 am
I absolutely agree with you @AllThatJazzZ  -- there aren't enough tears and yes, I am in absolutely disgusted at what is happening as well.

IMHO, this harkens back to taking twenty-plus YEARS to execute convicted killers receiving a DEATH PENALTY.

In cases where there is absolutely no doubt of guilt, the defendant should be taken to the basement of the courthouse and shot in the head AND in the heart...with cameras rolling.

The appeals process is effed up.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 23, 2024, 01:52:32 am
With seventy-five years of history showing one side repeatedly attacking the other, violating each and every cease fire agreement, and steadfastly refusing to accept any two-state solution, one would think that every poster here would be able to discern who are the good guys here.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 24, 2024, 04:48:09 pm
 Hamas publishes propaganda video of Israeli-American Hersh Goldberg-Polin missing his left arm in first sighting since Oct. 7
By Social Links for Olivia Land
Published April 24, 2024
Updated April 24, 2024, 11:23 a.m. ET

Hamas published a propaganda video of Israeli-American dual citizen Hersh Goldberg-Polin on Wednesday, marking the first sign of life from the 23-year-old since he was abducted by the terror group on Oct. 7.

In the video, a gaunt-looking Goldberg-Polin identified himself as Israeli and said he had been held captive for “nearly 200 days,” suggesting that the video was taken recently, the Times of Israel noted.

Goldberg-Polin is seen with a buzzed haircut and missing his left arm from below the elbow.

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/04/GL76yB4XcAA_5_v.jpg?quality=75&strip=all)

more w/video
https://nypost.com/2024/04/24/world-news/hamas-publishes-propaganda-video-of-israeli-american-hersh-goldberg-polin-in-first-sighting-since-oct-7/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on April 24, 2024, 07:18:21 pm
Palestinians celebrate the 9/11 sneak massacre in America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UucjbGmJILk

Palestinians celebrate the October attack on unarmed young Israelis at a music festival
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWOw7YI7vzo

After raping, torturing, and unspeakable murders of 1200 unaware people and taking hostages, these Palestinians now claim to be innocent victims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBriSsGGtuo
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DB on April 24, 2024, 07:41:14 pm
The world is upside down.

I don't see how it can be righted short of a major culling. Ugly future ahead.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on April 24, 2024, 07:45:17 pm
The strangest part of this current global "Pali-Circus" is that IF the Arabs in Israel who call themselves Palestinians ever managed to achieve their stated goal of killing all non-Muslims in Israel, and IF they managed to 'take over' and establish a new Muslim State in Israel, they would be immediately attacked by every Muslim Nation in the Middle East.

Egypt would come in from the South, Syria/Lebanon would come in from the North, and Jordan would come in from the East. A new Arab Palestinian state would not last even one hour. The neighbors of Israel consider so-called Palestinians to be less than trash. They would easily kill them all and take their land. The last thing the Arab countries in the Middle East want is a "Palestinian State". They know that it would be nothing but trouble and disruption to the entire region. This is why they refuse to accept ANY Palestinian as a 'refugee' (they decided to leave that to the stupid White people).

The only people who actually 'want' a true Palestinian State are Iran, and radical murderous Arab terrorist currently in Israel funded by Iran, and idiotic moronic mostly White elites in America - any one of which would be immediately murdered, or taken hostage, or made into slaves, if they ever stepped one foot in the Gaza they so love and adore and worship.

These pro-Hamas White elitists Americans have no clue what Hamas would do to them if they could.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DB on April 24, 2024, 08:57:10 pm
As long as we insist on maintaining the "moral high ground", we will NEVER win the war on terrorism!  We're in a conflict which we absolutely INSIST on playing by the rules - against a maniacal group who have NO rules!

Rattlesnake Logic in dealing with terrorists.

After the Boston bombing the news media spent days and weeks trying to determine why these men did what they did.  They want to know what America did to make these brothers so angry with us.

They want to know why these men were not arrested before they did something so terrible.

The media is in a tizzy about this new era of home-grown radicals and about why and how they can live among us and still hate us.

A Texan explained it:

Here in west Texas, I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us.

I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch.  I have killed a rattlesnake on the back porch.

I have killed rattlesnakes in the barn, in the shop and on the driveway.

In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter. I kill rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison. I don't stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will bite me;

I know it WILL bite me because it's a rattlesnake and that's what rattlesnakes do.

I don't try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a "meaningful dialogue" with it.  I just kill it.

I don't try to get to know the rattlesnake better so I can find a way to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me..  I just kill them.

I don't quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the other snakes are, because (a) it won't tell me and (b) I already know they live on my place. So, I just kill the rattlesnake and move on to the next one.

I don't look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a non-poisonous rat snake. I just kill it. Oh, and on occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at the time.

Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill, two more are lurking out there in the brush. In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place of rattlesnakes.

Do I fear them?  Not really. Do I respect what they can do to me and my family?  Yes!

And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they deserve. I kill them.  As a country, we should start  giving more  thought to the fact that these jihadists' are telling the world their goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life.

They have posted graphic videos on the Internet showing them beheading Americans. They are serious.  They are exactly like rattlesnakes. It is high time for us to start acting accordingly!

I love this country.  It's the damn government I'm afraid of!  Why?

Look who's new in the White House!

Arif Alikhan, Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security

Mohammed Elibiary, Homeland Security Adviser

Rashad Hussain, Special Envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC)

Salam al-Marayati, Obama adviser and founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council and is its current executive director

Imam Mohamed Magid, Obama's Sharia Czar from the Islamic Society of North America

Eboo Patel, Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships 

This is flat-out scary!  The foxes are now officially living in the hen house...  Now ask me why I am very concerned! Do you feel OK with this?  How can this happen? - and when will we wake up?

I don't know... The high moral ground may well be level it all...
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: berdie on April 24, 2024, 10:43:00 pm
@Bigun Your post 959 is right on the mark!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 26, 2024, 02:08:00 pm
U.S. Troops Begin Construction of Biden’s Promised Gaza Aid Pier

Simon Kent 26 Apr 2024

U.S. troops have begun construction of a pier to be used to bring humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip, the Pentagon confirmed Thursday.

“I can confirm that U.S. military vessels, to include the USNS Benavidez, have begun to construct the initial stages of the temporary pier and causeway at sea,” Pentagon press secretary Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said.

The news came on the same day Palestinian terrorists fired mortars at United Nations officials as they toured the proposed pier site, as Breitbart News reported.

A senior military official speaking to reporters on the condition of anonymity said construction of the pier began Thursday and that they are on track for it to be used to delivery humanitarian assistance to Gaza by sea from early next month, UPI reports.

Officials confirmed it being constructed out at sea, away from the war in Gaza.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/04/26/u-s-troops-begin-construction-of-bidens-promised-gaza-aid-pier/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 26, 2024, 02:34:37 pm
 Gaza-based militants attack Israeli forces preparing for US pier

No U.S. equipment was damaged.



By Lara Seligman

04/25/2024 02:15 PM EDT

Updated: 04/25/2024 02:47 PM EDT

Gaza-based militants launched mortar rounds on Wednesday at Israeli forces making preparations for the U.S.-led effort to establish a new maritime aid route for Gaza, according to three U.S. officials.

No American equipment was damaged as the U.S.-led project — which will establish a pier a few miles offshore as well as a causeway anchored to the beach to expand access to humanitarian aid — is not yet complete, said one of the officials. All were granted anonymity to discuss sensitive plans.

But the attack came as U.S. military personnel were scheduled to soon begin construction of the pier, which the U.S. hopes will drastically expand the amount of aid that can reach the enclave. The Pentagon has said the project will be operational by the end of the month or early May, and U.S. military ships are standing by to start the work.

It’s not clear whether the militants knew what they were attacking, said the first U.S. official, adding that they may have simply seen a “target of opportunity” to strike the Israel Defense Forces.

A “small number of mortars” caused “minimal damage” in Gaza in the vicinity of the “marshalling yard area for humanitarian assistance that will soon be delivered by sea,” said one of the officials, a member of the U.S. military. The attack occurred before U.S. personnel began constructing the floating pier, the official said, noting that “there will be no U.S. forces on the ground in Gaza.”

more
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/25/gaza-terrorists-attack-israeli-pier-00154386
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Timber Rattler on April 26, 2024, 08:19:01 pm
Quote
The attack occurred before U.S. personnel began constructing the floating pier, the official said, noting that “there will be no U.S. forces on the ground in Gaza.”

So will they be walking and working on the water?
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 26, 2024, 08:51:12 pm
So will they be walking and working on the water?

Sounds like we're building a few miles out to sea, so the Pallies can destroy it the moment it touches land.  I don't know if Americans are going to be present when that happens.

Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Fishrrman on April 26, 2024, 09:17:16 pm
Cyber postulates:
"Sounds like we're building a few miles out to sea, so the Pallies can destroy it the moment it touches land.  I don't know if Americans are going to be present when that happens"

Sounds good to me.
I despise the palis, but will cheer if and when they destroy that thing.
Actually, I don't care WHO destroys it. Just blast it out of existence.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 26, 2024, 10:21:59 pm
Cyber postulates:
"Sounds like we're building a few miles out to sea, so the Pallies can destroy it the moment it touches land.  I don't know if Americans are going to be present when that happens"

Sounds good to me.
I despise the palis, but will cheer if and when they destroy that thing.
Actually, I don't care WHO destroys it. Just blast it out of existence.

I think the Pallies can be counted upon to do this.  I just don't want Americans or Israelis getting blasted in the process.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on April 26, 2024, 10:26:44 pm
US backtracks on decision to sanction IDF unit
By
Brady Knox
April 26, 2024 3:47 pm
.

The United States announced it would halt its decision to sanction an Israel Defense Forces unit.

Last week, it emerged that Secretary of State Antony Blinken would announce sanctions against the IDF’s 97th Netzah Yehuda Battalion over alleged crimes committed during its time in the West Bank. On Friday, sources familiar with the matter told Axios that the U.S. was pausing the effort after Israel provided further information about the unit.

The reverse comes after intense flak directed at Blinken from the Israeli government, Congress, and within the administration itself. House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA), U.S. Ambassador to Israel Jack Lew, and other senior officials within the administration were among the most vocal opponents of the move, sources told the outlet.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pledged to fight the move with “all my powers,” and Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant painted it as an attack on the entire IDF.

“Gallant directed the defense establishment to act at all levels in order to make clear to the U.S. government the importance of backing up IDF operations, which are carried out according to international law,” the Israeli Ministry of Defense said after the sanctions were announced, according to the news outlet.

more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign-policy/2981138/us-backtracks-sanction-idf-unit/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 26, 2024, 10:47:02 pm
Good.  One of Blinken's especially bad ideas.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: 240B on April 27, 2024, 03:29:30 am
Blinken says, "too many civilian casualties" - "civilian causalities needs to be zero"

Made me chuckle. This is the definition of the Westerner's mindset complete lack of understanding about what 'armed conflict' is about.

Several of the terms used by Blinken to describe 'war' are laughable.

"too many civilian casualties"
The way to end all of this is for Hamas to stop killing Jews.
Hamas should release the dozen or so hostages that may still be at least somewhat alive.
Hamas should surrender or face annihilation.

That is all. Those are the options to end all of the so-called atrocities. There was "peace" before October 7. It is Hamas who willingly and intentionally brought all of this down upon their own heads.

LOSING A WAR WHICH YOU STARTED ... DOES NOT TURN AROUND AND MAKE YOU A VICTIM!
It just means you f**ked around and found out ... and you got your ass kicked.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 27, 2024, 05:25:53 am
@240B goopo
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on April 27, 2024, 04:55:09 pm
Blinken says, "too many civilian casualties" - "civilian causalities needs to be zero"

He's only talking about non-Jewish civilian casualties.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on April 27, 2024, 10:54:11 pm
Oli London
@OliLondonTV
This American citizen is being held captive in Gaza. Hersh Goldberg-Polin has been held hostage for 203 days. Hamas blew his arm off with a grenade and are subjecting him to torture.   Not one University protest has called for his release.
Not a single one.
6:18 PM · Apr 27, 2024

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMNFh6_WMAAWsap?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on April 27, 2024, 11:02:37 pm
Dumisani Washington
@DumisaniTemsgen
So, the US military is building a pier in Gaza (that no one asked for) to ensure supplies reach the Palestinians (whom Hamas is depriving of food) and needs the Israeli military to protect them from Palestinians attacking them who, again, don't want the pier in the first place.
And who's paying for this leftist idiocy posing as a foreign policy that is only enriching corrupt US politicians and defense contractors?
American taxpayers.
4:00 PM · Apr 26, 2024

https://twitter.com/easternvoices/status/1783764598895657444
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on April 28, 2024, 07:21:56 pm
@240B goopo

@240B

What @Cyber Liberty said.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on April 28, 2024, 07:24:58 pm
Dumisani Washington
@DumisaniTemsgen
So, the US military is building a pier in Gaza (that no one asked for) to ensure supplies reach the Palestinians (whom Hamas is depriving of food) and needs the Israeli military to protect them from Palestinians attacking them who, again, don't want the pier in the first place.
And who's paying for this leftist idiocy posing as a foreign policy that is only enriching corrupt US politicians and defense contractors?
American taxpayers.
4:00 PM · Apr 26, 2024

https://twitter.com/easternvoices/status/1783764598895657444

@mountaineer

I must be more jaded than I thought. This doesn't even shock me anymore.  **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Kamaji on April 28, 2024, 07:47:39 pm
Dumisani Washington
@DumisaniTemsgen
So, the US military is building a pier in Gaza (that no one asked for) to ensure supplies reach the Palestinians (whom Hamas is depriving of food) and needs the Israeli military to protect them from Palestinians attacking them who, again, don't want the pier in the first place.
And who's paying for this leftist idiocy posing as a foreign policy that is only enriching corrupt US politicians and defense contractors?
American taxpayers.
4:00 PM · Apr 26, 2024

https://twitter.com/easternvoices/status/1783764598895657444

:facepalm2:
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Elderberry on April 30, 2024, 07:52:31 pm
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN

'I believe we are approaching a deal. The answer will be not by Hamas, but Israel'

@cisorgil's Dr. David Shimoni talks Israel awaiting the Hamas response to hostage deal proposal

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1785391317662478602 (https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1785391317662478602)
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on May 03, 2024, 03:46:59 pm
https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1786186729340235890
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on May 03, 2024, 03:49:06 pm
 Israeli dad of three, believed to be hostage in Gaza, confirmed dead
By Social Links for Nika Shakhnazarova
Published May 3, 2024, 8:20 a.m. ET

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/dror-kidnapped-home-october-7th-81139180.jpg?quality=75&strip=all)

A dad of three who was believed to be among the Israeli hostages held in Gaza has been confirmed dead, months after two of his children were released from Hamas captivity as part of a cease-fire deal, officials said.

Dror Or, 49, was killed in Kibbutz Be’eri during the Oct. 7 Hamas attack and his body was brought to Gaza, the Israeli government said Thursday.

“We are heartbroken to share that Dror Or who was kidnapped by Hamas on October 7, had been confirmed as murdered and his body is being held in Gaza,” the government wrote on X.

more
https://nypost.com/2024/05/03/world-news/israeli-dad-of-three-believed-to-be-hostage-in-gaza-confirmed-dead/
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on May 03, 2024, 04:00:32 pm
Hamas is running out of Israeli human shields.  Hamas still has many Palestinian babies to use as human shields.

Hamas and Iran know Western audiences are chumps for scenes of human suffering on television.