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General Category => Trump Legal Investigations => Mar-a-Lago Raid => Topic started by: mystery-ak on June 08, 2023, 11:34:34 pm
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Page 1: The corrupt Biden Administration has informed my attorneys that I have been Indicted, seemingly over the Boxes Hoax, even though Joe Biden has 1850 Boxes at the University of Delaware, additional Boxes in Chinatown, D.C., with even more Boxes at the University of Pennsylvania, and documents strewn all over his garage floor where he parks his Corvette, and which is “secured” by only a garage door that is paper thin, and open much of the time.
Page 2: I have been summoned to appear at the Federal Courthouse in Miami on Tuesday, at 3 PM. I never thought it possible that such a thing could happen to a former President of the United States, who received far more votes than any sitting President in the History of our Country, and is currently leading, by far, all Candidates, both Democrat and Republican, in Polls of the 2024 Presidential Election. I AM AN INNOCENT MAN!
Page 3: This is indeed a DARK DAY for the United States of America. We are a Country in serious and rapid Decline, but together we will Make America Great Again!
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https://twitter.com/ABCNewsLive/status/1666952310486867969
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Graham Allen
@GrahamAllen_1
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INDICTED AGAIN?!?!?
They will do ANYTHING they can to prevent Trump from winning!!!!!
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Richard Grenell
@RichardGrenell
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Joe Biden and Barack Obama will stop at nothing to stop Donald Trump.
This is an attack on our democracy and the media is in on it.
DC is totally corrupt.
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https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1666951728993026048
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Fox News reporting that ABC says 7 counts...
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https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1666952519287701508
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https://twitter.com/ABCNewsLive/status/1666954668365295617
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Charges filed under the Espionage Act..per Fox
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Rep. Jim Jordan
@Jim_Jordan
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Sad day for America. God Bless President Trump.
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TheLeoTerrell
@TheLeoTerrell
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Speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy. You must fight fire with fire. Impeach Joe Biden immediately.
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Ford News 🟧
@FordJohnathan5
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#BreakingNews CNN is reporting Donald Trump indicted on 7 counts related to the documents case investigated by Special Counsel Jack Smith. The 7 counts we will learn later. More to come.
Ford News 🟧
@FordJohnathan5
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My guess is that these Indictments will be obstruction and espionage related.
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Dan Bongino
@dbongino
We live in a police state run by liberal filth. There’s absolutely no disputing this fact. The liberal filth running this country right now will burn this place, and its institutions, to the ground to preserve the corrupt garbage running this country.
Every Republican candidate for office MUST commit to a thorough house cleaning.
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Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
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What do you call a country that indicts the leading opposition candidate while covering up a $5 million bribe that the current president allegedly took from a foreign country?
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Shane Goldmacher
@ShaneGoldmacher
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On Fox News, attorney Jonathan Turley raises a most unusual idea: “Trump could run on pardoning himself” in 2024. “They may have given him a rather unique campaign slogan,” he adds.
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Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
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One day, the Democrats will look back at this and regret they ever pushed us this far.
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Anthony Sabatini
@AnthonySabatini
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21h
Donald Trump is about to be indicted a second time by an evil, politicized, weaponized government… And the Republicans in Congress are doing NOTHING
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Trump indicted in classified documents case in Florida
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/08/trump-says-hes-been-indicted-summoned-to-federal-court-in-miami-next-week.html
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1666921510689296385
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Trump needs to hire some better Constitutional lawyers...asap
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Dan Bongino
@dbongino
We live in a police state run by liberal filth. There’s absolutely no disputing this fact. The liberal filth running this country right now will burn this place, and its institutions, to the ground to preserve the corrupt garbage running this country.
Every Republican candidate for office MUST commit to a thorough house cleaning.
It truly goes beyond that. EVERY REPUBLICAN IN OFFICE MUST COMMIT TO THOROUGH HOUSE CLEANING.
With those like McConnell and Mittens, it will never happen.
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Josh Hawley
@HawleyMO
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If the people in power can jail their political opponents at will, we don’t have a republic
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Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
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What do you call a country that indicts the leading opposition candidate while covering up a $5 million bribe that the current president allegedly took from a foreign country?
I’d call it an embarrassment to Banana Republics. The United States is becoming as unstable and corrupt as any of them ever were.
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https://twitter.com/JesseBWatters/status/1666960800848945153
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Juanita Broaddrick
@atensnut
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There’s nothing these evil bastards can do to turn us against Trump.
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Gunther Eagleman™
@GuntherEagleman
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“Hurry up and indict Trump, we need a distraction for Joe Biden’s $5M bribe scandal”
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Trump needs to hire some better Constitutional lawyers...asap
That's just it. From my viewpoint with all of his money he has hired lousy lawyers and it sure doesn't seem like he's finding lawyers that want to represent him. Several lawyers have just up and quit.
Now hopefully those MAGA supporters truly realize the trouble that Trump is in and the very real possibility that he's not going to be running.
When an ex-president is indicted for supposed similar document handling that the DEMS have also done, this is about as serious as it gets.
GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP and may GOD have mercy on our Republic.
Please Lord God Jesus Christ stop the evil that keep prevailing in this country!
Prayers up for President Trump!!!
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David Giglio
@DavidGiglioCA
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The level of corruption that Obama, Biden, Clinton, & the Deep State carried out against President Trump was so egregious, that they’re willing to destroy the Republic to bury it forever.
The American people stand with @realDonaldTrump
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C_Draino
@DC_Draino
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Biden unleashed the Trump indictment on the same day that House Republicans were able to publicize evidence of his $5 million Ukraine bribery scandal
That’s not an accident
He is covering up his family’s corruption by maliciously prosecuting his 2024 opponent
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Clay Travis
@ClayTravis
As if that weren’t enough, Biden’s crime family has engaged in far more egregious criminal wrongdoing than anything alleged against Trump. Indicting your chief political rival to try and put him in jail so he can’t beat you in a presidential election makes January 6th look like jaywalking.
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Anthony Sabatini
@AnthonySabatini
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Donald Trump is about to be indicted a second time by an evil, politicized, weaponized government… And the Republicans in Congress are doing NOTHING
Hopefully that will sink in! The Republicans in Congress are doing NOTHING!!!!
Can they do anything???
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https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1666960512578453505
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Chuck Grassley
@ChuckGrassley
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DOJ indicts former President / candidate Trump SAME DAY DOJ/FBI restricts access to unnecessarily redacted Biden allegations And they wonder why ppl think there r two standards for justice
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Code of Vets ™
@codeofvets
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Have we just gone full blown communism in our nation?! Just woke up in Taiwan to see on international news the Biden DOJ just indicted Trump!
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Chuck Grassley
@ChuckGrassley
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DOJ indicts former President / candidate Trump SAME DAY DOJ/FBI restricts access to unnecessarily redacted Biden allegations And they wonder why ppl think there r two standards for justice
Ok Senator Grassley, yes the people realize what is happening but what are 534 members of Congress doing about it????
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I’d call it an embarrassment to Banana Republics. The United States is becoming as unstable and corrupt as any of them ever were.
:yowsa: You are reading my mind @andy58-in-nh
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https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1666962177213845504
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https://twitter.com/ByronDonalds/status/1666964568222957576
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https://twitter.com/Teagan1776/status/1666964902085263360
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https://twitter.com/ByronDonalds/status/1666964568222957576
Well so far we have one Senator and a Congressman voicing objection.
Again, what if anything can they do????
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Justin Amash
@justinamash
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I’m categorically opposed to charging anyone under the Espionage Act, even those who seem obviously to have engaged in espionage. It has a terrible history of abuse. Government has employed it to avoid scrutiny and chill free speech, and it violates basic tenets of due process.
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WATCH: President Trump responds to the corrupt scheme from Biden's politicized DOJ to interfere in the 2024 election.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1666964411146448897
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Angry Staffer 🌻
@Angry_Staffer
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So… any questions why so many Republicans jumped in the ring for 2024 this week?
They all knew.
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Josh Hawley
@HawleyMO
Joe Biden has used his Justice Department to go after parents as “domestic terrorists,” to spy on Catholic parishes, to terrorize & harass prolife Christians - and tonight to indict his top political opponent, Trump. He has trampled the rule of law to benefit himself. He has led the country into profound danger
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https://twitter.com/MAGAIncWarRoom/status/1666968717488447492
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George Papadopoulos
@GeorgePapa19
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They indict Trump the same day that credible evidence emerges that Biden took a $5 million bribe to alter US foreign policy while he was VP.
Do you understand what is happening yet?
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Josh Hawley
@HawleyMO
Joe Biden has used his Justice Department to go after parents as “domestic terrorists,” to spy on Catholic parishes, to terrorize & harass prolife Christians - and tonight to indict his top political opponent, Trump. He has trampled the rule of law to benefit himself. He has led the country into profound danger
No, Brandon doesn't have the mental acuity or physical capabilities to do the things that have put our country into profound danger.
His handlers have; Obama, Soros, Garland and his corrupt DOJ!
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David Asman
@DavidAsmanfox
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So the same week that we learn dirty details of the alleged Biden bribe, Donald Trump gets indicted. Coincidence?
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Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
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What do you call a country that indicts the leading opposition candidate while covering up a $5 million bribe that the current president allegedly took from a foreign country?
@mystery-ak
"Modern Day America"?
Is ANYONE really surprised by this? Hasn't the DNC and their alleged Justice Department been trying to file criminal charges against him since Day One?
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Sean Davis
@seanmdav
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The corrupt FBI and DOJ tried to rig the 2016 election and failed.
They succeeded at rigging the 2020 election.
The bogus indictment of Trump is their attempt to rig the 2024 election.
DOJ and FBI are domestic terror organizations that need to be permanently shut down.
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Sean Davis
@seanmdav
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The corrupt FBI and DOJ tried to rig the 2016 election and failed.
They succeeded at rigging the 2020 election.
The bogus indictment of Trump is their attempt to rig the 2024 election.
DOJ and FBI are domestic terror organizations that need to be permanently shut down.
He is correct, but who is going to be able to shut down the DOJ and FBI??? The corruptness keeps cropping up and nothing is done and I'm not so sure that anything can be done. Things are completely out of control.
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MichaelCorona
@LcdoCorona
Donald Trump has been the most ruthlessly persecuted political figure in the history of the US: 2 failed impeachments , the Russian election hoax by Hillary Clinton and US intelligence; the NY fabricated case using a porn star and a disgraced attorney; now another indictment for possessing classified documents; Hillary Clinton had classified documents in her personal phone and computer ; Biden had 1,850 boxes of classified documents. Neither were Presidents they had no authority to declassify documents. The Democrat actions are proof of the corruption of some parts of federal law enforcement. The totalitarian Democrat machine must be investigated and dismantled. Donal Trump will fight to the end, the man has character.
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Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
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One day, the Democrats will look back at this and regret they ever pushed us this far.
@mystery-ak
We can only hope,but I think in this case that hope is futile because the professional criminal/treasonous criminals we have in the DNC,the RNC,and the alleged Justice Dept all have so much blackmail material on each other than nobody is going to really push any complaints.
Oh,there can be NO doubt they will appear on all the political tb shows and shed crocodile tears if they are an alleged Republican,or laugh with glee as they shout "Ah tole us sew!" if they are Dims,but that is going to be the extent of it.
Chances are these charges will drag along until after the election,and then be dropped.
I ALSO suspect that bills will be presented to prevent anyone under a criminal indictment from running for public office.
I DO have one question for you Trump haters and "DeSantis followers",and it is,"IF DeSantis is such a serious political threat to Trump,WHY was it Trump that was indicted with bogus charges in order to try to kill his bid for the WH?
Think about that one for a minute,but you really don't have to answer to me or to anyone but yourselves. I no longer care what any of you think about the next election,be it Pro-Trump or anti-Trump. I barely even care what I think since I honestly believe it is going to be a bogus election,just like the USSR elections.
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MichaelCorona
@LcdoCorona
Donald Trump has been the most ruthlessly persecuted political figure in the history of the US: 2 failed impeachments , the Russian election hoax by Hillary Clinton and US intelligence; the NY fabricated case using a porn star and a disgraced attorney; now another indictment for possessing classified documents; Hillary Clinton had classified documents in her personal phone and computer ; Biden had 1,850 boxes of classified documents. Neither were Presidents they had no authority to declassify documents. The Democrat actions are proof of the corruption of some parts of federal law enforcement. The totalitarian Democrat machine must be investigated and dismantled. Donal Trump will fight to the end, the man has character.
And there it is!
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Jack Poso 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
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Pay very close attention to 'conservatives' who are silent about the willful destruction of our entire system because they think it benefits their personal ambitions
Stand and be counted
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Adel
@adelbelgaied
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SUSPEND ALL YOUR CAMPAIGNS and join @realDonaldTrump
in Mar A Lago and let them know it’s not a fight against one, it’s a fight against ALL!
No other answer is accepted. Good day.
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Anthony Sabatini
@AnthonySabatini
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Donald Trump is about to be indicted a second time by an evil, politicized, weaponized government… And the Republicans in Congress are doing NOTHING
@mystery-ak
That is because like their comrades in the DNC,they don't have anything on him that they can blackmail him with.
Politics at the upper level is now so corrupt that both sides have so much "dirt" on each other than none of them can afford to do anything other than to pretend to be outraged.
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Rep. Mike Waltz
@michaelgwaltz
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How is it Hillary Clinton can delete 33,000 government emails on a private server yet President Trump gets indicted for having documents he could declassify?
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Trump needs to hire some better Constitutional lawyers...asap
@mystery-ak
I am not a lawyer and don't even play one on tb,but I doubt such a thing is even possible. You have to wait for a charge to be filed in court before you can defend anyone against the charges.
Works out kinda "well" <$> for the lawyers,doesn't it?
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It truly goes beyond that. EVERY REPUBLICAN IN OFFICE MUST COMMIT TO THOROUGH HOUSE CLEANING.
With those like McConnell and Mittens, it will never happen.
@libertybele
And too many others to mention that have shared in the "deals" for decades.
THIS is why the professional criminal class we call "Representives" and "Congress critters" hate and fear Trump so much. He is NOT a professional career elected official/professional criminal like they are,and he owes none of them not ONE single favor.
Not that Trump is a Saint. He isn't. What he IS,is an ego-maniac that can't be bribed or forced to shut up because he doesn't owe a single one of the professional criminals that run our government a single dime. The ONLY thing he cares about is his ego,and his desire to go down in the history books as "The President that saved America."
Which is,of course,why pretty much every professional politician in America and the people that suck at their teats hate him so strongly.
Frankly,I am a little surprised that he hasn't already had attempts made on his life. Or at least none that we have heard of.
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Josh Hawley
@HawleyMO
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If the people in power can jail their political opponents at will, we don’t have a republic
@mystery-ak
BINGO!
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Erick Erickson
@EWErickson
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I've given up trying to explain to the left why burning the world down to obtain justice is a bad idea. I'll just say if Biden loses in 2024, he, Hunter, and many others better have lawyers asap. The Rubicon has been crossed. Guilt won't matter. The pain of litigation will.
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David Giglio
@DavidGiglioCA
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The level of corruption that Obama, Biden, Clinton, & the Deep State carried out against President Trump was so egregious, that they’re willing to destroy the Republic to bury it forever.
The American people stand with @realDonaldTrump
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@mystery-ak
NOT true. Those very same people were scheming and plotting on how to destroy America for years before Trump decided to run for office.
Look at how far they have already gotten for proof of this.
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Here are the 7 Charges Donald Trump Faces in Unprecedented Federal Indictment of Former President
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Nathan Baker -
June 9, 2023
Withholding of national defense secrets: Former President Donald Trump has been indicted on this charge, which alleges that he intentionally failed to disclose crucial information related to national defense. This charge likely falls under the purview of the Espionage Act, which deals with the protection of classified information.
Conspiracy to obstruct justice: Trump is facing an indictment for conspiring to obstruct justice, suggesting that he is accused of collaborating with others to impede or hinder the proper functioning of the justice system. It should be noted that this charge requires the involvement of at least two parties working together to obstruct the legal process.
Issuance of false statements: Another charge mentioned in the indictment is the alleged act of making false statements. This charge implies that Trump intentionally provided investigators with inaccurate or misleading information. It is possible that this charge may also involve conspiracy, requiring evidence of Trump and at least one other person agreeing to mislead investigators and taking overt actions to carry out that plan.
more
https://thepoliticsbrief.com/here-are-the-7-charges-donald-trump-faces-in-unprecedented-federal-indictment-of-former-president/
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Well so far we have one Senator and a Congressman voicing objection.
Again, what if anything can they do????
@libertybele
And let's not forget Hunter's cut of the deal for putting it together.
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Rep. Mike Waltz
@michaelgwaltz
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How is it Hillary Clinton can delete 33,000 government emails on a private server yet President Trump gets indicted for having documents he could declassify?
@mystery-ak
Causen she's just a "gurl"?
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BTW,I am seeing some posters who have been VERY anti-Trump right up to today,suddenly start appearing to be pro-Trump.
It ain't because they suddenly love Rude Orange Man,it's because they are waking up to the NOW indisputable FACT that the Globalists are in a position where they MIGHT be able to take over total control of America,and turn us into nothing more than a segment of "World-Wide Government,Inc" ,where the government will give us all the rights they decide that we "need".
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Robby Starbuck
@robbystarbuck
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President Trump has been indicted, making him the first former President to face federal charges. Bill Clinton flew on Epstein’s plane 26x yet no investigation. Bush lied about WMD’s. Obama armed Cartels. Trump took a box of documents he had the power to declassify. Witch-hunt!
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With those like McConnell and Mittens, it will never happen.
Never forget who pushed to put McConnell back in office... Trump
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Even though I can't stand Trump, this is totally wrong. If Trump would act with SOME humility people would side with him, but he almost makes it impossible for people care.
@Jack Russell
He is DEFINITELY not a "warm and fuzzy people person",but I am happy to overlook that if that is what it takes to destroy ability of our alleged "representatives" in government to continue to steal the ill-gotten gains they have obtained,and MAYBE get a few of them kicked out of office and replaced with honest people that put America first.
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DC_Draino
@DC_Draino
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Under the Biden DOJ:
Soccer moms = domestic terrorists
Peaceful protestors = domestic terrorists
Trump supporters = domestic terrorists
President Trump = Indicted
We the People are under attack from a corrupt federal government
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Kevin McCarthy
@SpeakerMcCarthy
Today is indeed a dark day for the United States of America.
It is unconscionable for a President to indict the leading candidate opposing him. Joe Biden kept classified documents for decades.
I, and every American who believes in the rule of law, stand with President Trump against this grave injustice. House Republicans will hold this brazen weaponization of power accountable.
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Jack Poso 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
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I will not let Joe Biden and Merrick Garland decide who our GOP nominee is
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Trump signed law making mishandling of classified info a felony — now it may come back to haunt him....
https://www.salon.com/2022/08/11/signed-law-making-mishandling-of-classified-info-a-felony--now-it-may-come-back-to-haunt-him_partner/
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BNO News
@BNONews
DONALD TRUMP INDICTED
- Charged in classified documents probe
- Federal grand jury approves 7 counts
- Includes obstruction, false statements
- Ordered to appear in Miami court on Tuesday
- Trump: "A dark day for the United States"
- Trump now facing criminal charges in 2 cases
- Trump claims he's innocent in both cases
- Trump also running for president in 2024
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BTW,I am seeing some posters who have been VERY anti-Trump right up to today,suddenly start appearing to be pro-Trump.
It has nothing to do with being pro or anti Trump but a lopsided application of the law. If Trump broke the law he should have to face the consequences of doing such but then so should people like Joe Biden and his cracked up son and Hillary Clinton
I won’t vote for Trump but I still believe he’s entitled to fair and equal treatment under the law.
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https://twitter.com/Dlw20161950/status/1666986752282615809
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https://twitter.com/CarmineSabia/status/1666988490704265216
Only Asa Hutchinson is asking Trump to withdraw
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It has nothing to do with being pro or anti Trump but a lopsided application of the law. If Trump broke the law he should have to face the consequences of doing such but then so should people like Joe Biden and his cracked up son and Hillary Clinton
I won’t vote for Trump but I still believe he’s entitled to fair and equal treatment under the law.
:thumbsup:
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We can argue selective prosecution all day long. However, once again, Donald has gifted the rope to his enemies. They're going to use it. If there is sufficient evidence of obstruction, the whatabouts are not going to matter.
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https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1666985088834236418
That's all for me tonight....
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We can argue selective prosecution all day long. However, once again, Donald has gifted the rope to his enemies. They're going to use it. If there is sufficient evidence of obstruction, the whatabouts are not going to matter.
:thumbsup:
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Rep. Mike Waltz
@michaelgwaltz
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How is it Hillary Clinton can delete 33,000 government emails on a private server yet President Trump gets indicted for having documents he could declassify?
Then why didn't he?
That's right. Because he wants to run again, and lose, and run again, and lose... and doom the Republican Party to obsolescence, while his New York buddies Andrew Cuomo and Anthony Fauci laugh.
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That's just it. From my viewpoint with all of his money he has hired lousy lawyers and it sure doesn't seem like he's finding lawyers that want to represent him. Several lawyers have just up and quit.
I suspect that Trump is a very difficult client. That description generally comes from one or more of the following:
1) the client repeatedly does things against the lawyers advice;
2) The client won't stop talking and digging himself deeper holes despite repeatedly being advised not to do so.
3) The client asks or demands that the lawyers do things that they are ethically not permitted to do.
I can't say for sure that any of those occurred in Trump's case, but it wouldn't surprise me. He just seems like a pretty headstrong guy.
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Can't. Shut. His. Mouth.
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We can argue selective prosecution all day long. However, once again, Donald has gifted the rope to his enemies. They're going to use it. If there is sufficient evidence of obstruction, the whatabouts are not going to matter.
I can only imagine how frustrated some of his lawyers are. The whole damn thing could have been avoided if he'd just dotted the i's and crossed the t's for declassification.
I suspect the reason the whole document situation was FUBAR was because Trump was unwilling to accept the verdict of the electoral college, and remained convinced that something would happen to keep him in office. So, he refused to take a lot of the steps to properly prepare for bringing documents out of the White House. Then when the inevitable finally happened, he likely was pissed off and took an unwise and hardline stance on the documents.
That's my guess, anyway.
When you know they're out to get you, that's when you ensure you don't give them an excuse. Trump tends to do the opposite
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:amen: :amen: :amen:
Can't. Shut. His. Mouth.
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Bkmk
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Bkmk
Me, too.
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Me, too.
Make it three.
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Adam Kinzinger Celebrates Trump Indictment: ‘Justice Is Being Served’
Former Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) welcomed the Department of Justice’s indictment of former President Donald Trump on Thursday.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/06/08/adam-kinzinger-celebrates-trump-indictment-justice-is-being-served/
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We can argue selective prosecution all day long. However, once again, Donald has gifted the rope to his enemies. They're going to use it. If there is sufficient evidence of obstruction, the whatabouts are not going to matter.
BS! Name me ONE other person who has been prosecuted under this statute EVER @cato potatoe
On June 2nd former Mueller special counsel and impeachment operative, Andrew Weissmann and Norm Eisen respectively, published their current Trump prosecution memo [Read Here (https://www.justsecurity.org/86771/model-prosecution-memo-for-trump-classified-documents/)] using a novel and arcane interpretation of US Code 793. Four days later media began reporting from leaks within the Jack Smith special counsel of the main legal approach they were going to use against President Trump [citation (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-indictment-section-793-espionage-act-mark-meadows-b2353684.html)]. What approach is Jack Smith taking, US Code 793! This is not coincidental.
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Trump has been indicted by Brandon's DOJ. That says it all and explains it all.
There is absolutely no question that Garland's DOJ is corrupt. A sitting president's DOJ indicting an ex-president who is running against him!! A sitting president who doesn't know where he is most of the time, falls while walking, and garbles his words.
I am not a fan of Trump, but right is right and wrong is wrong. This indictment and witch hunt against Trump is WRONG!!!
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We can argue selective prosecution all day long. However, once again, Donald has gifted the rope to his enemies. They're going to use it. If there is sufficient evidence of obstruction, the whatabouts are not going to matter.
And one can have both opinions
Yes, I think we have a very lopsided justice system, and it seems like the law is aggressively apply more to Donald Trump than others
But I also believe that Trump does help in creating his own problems, and he does give his enemies plenty of ammo
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Adam Kinzinger Celebrates Trump Indictment: ‘Justice Is Being Served’
Former Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) welcomed the Department of Justice’s indictment of former President Donald Trump on Thursday.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/06/08/adam-kinzinger-celebrates-trump-indictment-justice-is-being-served/
Did he break down and cry while announcing this?
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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For purposes of fighting the Greatest Witch Hunt of all time, now moving to the Florida Courts, I will be represented by Todd Blanche, Esq., and a firm to be named later. I want to thank Jim Trusty and John Rowley for their work, but they were up against a very dishonest, corrupt, evil, and “sick” group of people, the likes of which has not been seen before. We will be announcing additional lawyers in the coming days. When will Joe Biden be Indicted for his many crimes against our Nation? MAGA!
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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I have just learned that the “Thugs” from the Department of Injustice will be Indicting a wonderful man, Walt Nauta, a member of the U.S. Navy, who served proudly with me in the White House, retired as Senior Chief, and then transitioned into private life as a personal aide. He has done a fantastic job! They are trying to destroy his life, like the lives of so many others, hoping that he will say bad things about “Trump.” He is strong, brave, and a Great Patriot. The FBI and DOJ are CORRUPT!
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Donald J. Trump
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I have just learned that the “Thugs” from the Department of Injustice will be Indicting a wonderful man, Walt Nauta, a member of the U.S. Navy, who served proudly with me in the White House, retired as Senior Chief, and then transitioned into private life as a personal aide. He has done a fantastic job! They are trying to destroy his life, like the lives of so many others, hoping that he will say bad things about “Trump.” He is strong, brave, and a Great Patriot. The FBI and DOJ are CORRUPT!
So they're also targeting the guy who went with Trump and probably handled the records in question for Trump. Likely trying to flip him.
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A Florida trial gives Trump a better chance for a hung jury.
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This ought be good for $10M in additional fundraising. So expect more DeSantis (the only guy on record of a possible Trump pardon) slime ads very soon.
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Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee, initially assigned to oversee his case: Sources
https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-aileen-cannon-trump-appointee-initially-assigned-oversee/story?id=99956910
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This ought be good for $10M in additional fundraising. So expect more DeSantis (the only guy on record of a possible Trump pardon) slime ads very soon.
Vivek said he would pardon Trump.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-presidential-rival-vows-to-pardon-trump-if-elected-in-2024/ar-AA1cjpnf
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OPPS @bigheadfred I thought it was DeSantis. I stand corrected, Thanks.
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June 9, 2023 11:53am EDT
Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
Trump was ordered to appear in federal court in Miami Tuesday after being indicted on at least seven counts
By Brooke Singman | Fox News
Former President Trump and two of his top attorneys representing him in Special Counsel Jack Smith's investigation parted ways Friday, just a day after he was indicted.
Trump, the current front-runner in the 2024 Republican presidential primary, was indicted on at least seven counts involving obstruction of justice, conspiracy, and illegal retention of classified government material. He has been ordered to appear in federal court in Miami on Tuesday. The indictment remains unsealed.
The lawyers representing him ahead of his indictment, Jim Trusty and John Rowley, resigned Friday.
"This morning we tendered our resignations as counsel to President Trump, and we will no longer represent him on either the indicted case or the January 6 investigation," Trusty and Rowley said in a statement Friday. "It has been an honor to have spent the last year defending him, and we know he will be vindicated in his battle against the Biden Administration’s partisan weaponization of the American justice system.
"Now that the case has been filed in Miami, this is a logical moment for us to step aside and let others carry the cases through to completion," they added. "We have no plans to hold media appearances that address our withdrawals or any other confidential communications we’ve had with the President or his legal team."
more
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-bring-on-new-legal-team-after-federal-indictment
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OPPS @bigheadfred I thought it was DeSantis. I stand corrected, Thanks.
A desantis statement from 12days ago. @corbe
"A big part of being president is pardon powers. Do you think the Jan. 6 defendants deserve to have their cases examined by a Republican president? And if Trump, let's say, gets charged with federal offenses and you are the president of the United States, would you look at potentially pardoning Trump himself based on the evidence that might emerge of those charges?" Travis asked DeSantis.
The governor did not mention either Trump or any specific Jan. 6 cases by name but indicated he was open to the idea.
"We will be aggressive [in] issuing pardons," he said, arguing that the Department of Justice and FBI had become "weaponized" to pursue political rather than law enforcement goals.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/asked-about-pardoning-trump-as-president-desantis-says-he-would-be-aggressive/ar-AA1bHF0T
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I bet he blew up at them, blamed them for not stopping the indictment, and refused to pay their bills.
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A desantis statement from 12days ago. @corbe
"A big part of being president is pardon powers. Do you think the Jan. 6 defendants deserve to have their cases examined by a Republican president? And if Trump, let's say, gets charged with federal offenses and you are the president of the United States, would you look at potentially pardoning Trump himself based on the evidence that might emerge of those charges?" Travis asked DeSantis.
The governor did not mention either Trump or any specific Jan. 6 cases by name but indicated he was open to the idea.
"We will be aggressive [in] issuing pardons," he said, arguing that the Department of Justice and FBI had become "weaponized" to pursue political rather than law enforcement goals.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/asked-about-pardoning-trump-as-president-desantis-says-he-would-be-aggressive/ar-AA1bHF0T
I think DeSantis' intentions are correct, but how is he going to deal with all the swamp creatures?? I know that he has stated before that he would bring in people from the outside to deal with Garland's DOJ, but I'm not quite sure how that would work out.
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Trump charged with 37 counts in classified documents case, indictment says
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/09/trump-indictment-in-classified-records-case-is-unsealed.html
The criminal indictment against Donald Trump over his handling of classified government records was unsealed Friday.
The 37-count indictment was made public a day after the former president was charged in the case by a grand jury in U.S. District Court in Miami.
Among other allegations, the indictment says Trump showed classified documents to other people in 2021, after leaving office.
Also charged in the indictment was Trump’s valet, Walter Nauta.
Trump is due to be arraigned in Miami on Tuesday, the day before his 77th birthday.
Thirty-one of the counts accuse Trump of willful retention of national defense information. He is also charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice; withholding a document or record; corruptly concealing a document or record; concealing a document in a federal investigation; scheme to conceal; and false statements and representations.
The indictment notes, “As he departed the White House, TRUMP caused scores of boxes, many of which contained classified documents, to be transported to The Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, where he maintained his residence.”
“TRUMP was not authorized to possess or retain those classified documents,” the indictment says.
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https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1667228957421314048
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https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1667228957421314048
@mystery-ak
Since Slow Joe seems to have no prior,or current knowledge about anything,I believe that
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37 counts .... felony counts .they are... thanks to donny trumps signing that bill in 2o18
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So Trump sat around a table with friends, while being recorded, and admitted to having classified documents. You want to feel sorry for the guy, but crap he's stupid! ***suicide*** :facepalm2: :facepalm2: :facepalm2: :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
And he knew it was being recorded...
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37 counts .... felony counts .they are... thanks to donny trumps signing that bill in 2o18
@Meshuge Mikey
You must be ecstatic and having multiple spontaneous orgasms.
I STARTED to type "Try not to hurt yourself",but then I remembered what you are.
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So Trump sat around a table with friends, while being recorded, and admitted to having classified documents. You want to feel sorry for the guy, but crap he's stupid! ***suicide*** :facepalm2: :facepalm2: :facepalm2: :facepalm2: :facepalm2:
@Jack Russell
You don't think every other President in history has done this?
Hell,Biden still has stacks of them stored in his garage,and who knows where else?
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And he knew it was being recorded...
@DB
He also knew that he was the President of the US at that time,and that every other President had done the same thing.
Or maybe you think that Presidents work 8 hour days and go home to party after the buzzer rings?
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Robert Barnes
@barnes_law
Any executive branch document created before or during a Presidency is the President's to do with as he pleases. That's the point of The Presidential Records Act. It has to be that way to keep Constitutional power in the hands of the only elected official of the executive branch.
7:26 PM · Jun 9, 2023
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Continued prayers for Trump. He's going to need them; praying that he has the physical and mental stamina needed to face this ordeal.
Prayers up for the Trump family as well; especially Barron and Melania. This can't be easy on them.
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@DB
He also knew that he was the President of the US at that time,and that every other President had done the same thing.
Or maybe you think that Presidents work 8 hour days and go home to party after the buzzer rings?
@sneakypete IIRC the recordings did not take place while he was President rather they took place afterwards and that is a whole other issue.
IF he doesn't have a good defense and attorneys prepare yourself for him actually being sentenced. Lord only knows what the reaction is going to be from the country. Yes, past president have done similar things -- but remember, they are not the ones under indictment.
Most of us can see that this is being done to prevent him from running; something that I expected. The left will not stop until he either steps away from running or is behind bars.
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Dershowitz: Dems Who Opposed ‘Dangerous’ and ‘Unconstitutional’ Espionage Act Now ‘Rooting for it to Be Applied Broadly’
Ian Hanchett 9 Jun 2023
On Friday’s broadcast of Newsmax TV’s “The Record,” Harvard Law Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz commented on the indictment against former President Donald Trump and the Espionage Act charges contained in the indictment by saying that the Espionage Act “is one of the most dangerous and unconstitutional statutes ever passed” that was passed with the intent to jail dissidents. And that for several decades, “every liberal, every progressive, every Democrat I know was against this statute” but now they are “all rooting for it to be applied broadly to conduct that has nothing to do with espionage” and didn’t put national security at risk.
Dershowitz stated, “The Espionage Act is one of the most dangerous and unconstitutional statutes ever passed. [It was] passed by Woodrow Wilson in 1917 in order to imprison dissidents who were opposed to the war. Every civil libertarian, every liberal, every progressive, every Democrat I know was against this statute for the last 100 years. Now, they’re all rooting for it to be applied broadly to conduct that has nothing to do with espionage. There’s no allegation that he ever endangered national security or showed material to enemies or sold it to [enemies].”
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/06/09/dershowitz-dems-who-opposed-dangerous-and-unconstitutional-espionage-act-now-rooting-for-it-to-be-applied-broadly/
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Dershowitz: Parts of Trump Indictment Are ‘Damning’ But Most Isn’t Different from what Hillary and Others Did
Ian Hanchett 9 Jun 2023
On Friday’s broadcast of Newsmax TV’s “The Record,” Harvard Law Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz stated that most of the indictment against former President Donald Trump alleges conduct that has “no difference” to “what Hillary Clinton and others have done,” but there are a couple “damning paragraphs” that Trump or his legal counsel are going to have to explain.
Host John Huddy asked, “So, is this a damning indictment against the former President? What do you think?”
Dershowitz responded, “Part of it is, part of it isn’t. The material about simply possessing classified material is not a damning indictment. We knew it was coming. The [Presidential] Records Act probably is at least a potential defense to that. There are two damning paragraphs, just two, paragraph 34 and paragraph 35, where they have tape recordings of the former President basically acknowledging that some of the papers that he possessed and showed to a writer — I’ll just read you — so ‘as President I could’ve declassified it. Now I can’t, you know, but this is still [a] secret.’ … So, I think this is a serious indictment on these two charges. Everything else I think is exactly what we expected. There’s no difference between that and what Hillary Clinton and others have done, not enough to justify this. It doesn’t meet what I call the Richard Nixon standard, which was very clear obstruction of justice, destroying evidence, paying bribes. This is too close a case to bring against a man running for president against the incumbent president. The only exception to that are these two paragraphs, and we’re going to have to hear an explanation from Trump’s lawyers or from Trump as to how he can justify having shown, to somebody who doesn’t have security clearance, allegedly some information about a plan to attack Iran.”
Dershowitz continued, “He may claim he didn’t show it to him, he just kind of waved it in front of him as part of his kind of bragging. But that’s something that will have to be explained. [Those are] the only two paragraphs that I think are new, novel, and dangerous to Donald Trump.”
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/06/09/dershowitz-parts-of-trump-indictment-are-damning-but-most-isnt-different-from-what-hillary-and-others-did/
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JONATHAN TURLEY: I know a lot of people have criticized [Jack] Smith for his background, but he's no Alvin Bragg. He's a serious prosecutor. The Alvin Bragg prosecution is a political prosecution. It is what Trump says it is. It is a weaponization of the criminal justice system, in my view. This is a different ball game.
After the indictment was unsealed Friday afternoon, Turley said on "America Reports" that the charges laid out are "extremely damning."
TURLEY: It is an extremely damning indictment. There are indictments that are sometimes called narrative or speaking indictments. These are indictments that are really meant to make a point as to the depth of the evidence. There are some indictments that are just bare bones. This is not. The special counsel knew that there would be a lot of people who were going to allege that the Department of Justice was acting in a biased or politically motivated way.
This is clearly an indictment that was drafted to answer those questions. It’s overwhelming in details. And, you know, the Trump team should not fool itself, these are hits below the waterline. These are witnesses who apparently testified under oath, gave statements to federal investigators, both of which can be criminally charged if they’re false. Those witnesses are directly quoting the president in encouraging others not to look for documents or allegedly to conceal them. It’s damaging.
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-trump-indictment-documents-whole-different-ballgame-jonathan-turley
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I have no reason to doubt Turley.
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@DB
He also knew that he was the President of the US at that time,and that every other President had done the same thing.
Or maybe you think that Presidents work 8 hour days and go home to party after the buzzer rings?
He wasn't president at that time.
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I've always believed and relied on Dershowitz's knowledge and accuracy of the law.
He has made a claim to damaging evidence. I don't expect that Trump is going to escape these charges unscathed nor the 34 other charges against him.
I think MAGA needs to be prepared and yes, most of this is a witch hunt, but I'll go with what Dershowitz said; some is very damaging. That damaging evidence is on Trump.
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Robert Barnes
@barnes_law
Any executive branch document created before or during a Presidency is the President's to do with as he pleases. That's the point of The Presidential Records Act. It has to be that way to keep Constitutional power in the hands of the only elected official of the executive branch.
7:26 PM · Jun 9, 2023
Your candidate screwed up big time. He's toast.
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Trump needs to drop out of the race, but he won't.
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Your candidate screwed up big time. He's toast.
That's just on the 7 charges in the indictment; remember he was indicted on 34 other charges.
I expect that he will be prosecuted. To what extent is anyone's guess, but I think that they'll give him the maximum on as many charges as they can make stick.
He knew that they would be going after him .... bragging is in his character, but definitely not to his advantage.
I still consider this a witch hunt, but the recordings and bragging are damaging.
Things are not looking good for him.
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I guess Nixon would come close to DJT, as far as paranoid, egomaniac 'X' Presidents go.
He backed down twice; in the 60 election against JFK and the aftermath of Watergate.
Trump ain't no Nixon.
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Jack Poso
@JackPosobiec
Whole case comes down to Presidential Records Act. Can’t have any conspiracy, obstruction, etc if no underlying crime. What he said doesn’t matter, the boxes don’t matter, discussing moving or destruction doesn’t matter 🍌
5:09 PM · Jun 9, 2023
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I still consider this a witch hunt, but the recordings and bragging are damaging.
Jack Poso
@JackPosobiec
Whole case comes down to Presidential Records Act. Can’t have any conspiracy, obstruction, etc if no underlying crime. What he said doesn’t matter, the boxes don’t matter, discussing moving or destruction doesn’t matter 🍌
5:09 PM · Jun 9, 2023
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Jack Poso
@JackPosobiec
Whole case comes down to Presidential Records Act. Can’t have any conspiracy, obstruction, etc if no underlying crime. What he said doesn’t matter, the boxes don’t matter, discussing moving or destruction doesn’t matter 🍌
5:09 PM · Jun 9, 2023
It sure says a lot about Trump's character, or lack thereof.
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Your candidate screwed up big time. He's toast.
Slow down and consider the alternative: ---- You get the fascist federal government you are counting on.
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I guess Nixon would come close to DJT, as far as paranoid, egomaniac 'X' Presidents go.
He backed down twice; in the 60 election against JFK and the aftermath of Watergate.
Trump ain't no Nixon.
No Trump is still lucid. Nixon started to mentally lose it (at least that is what was rumored).
I don't expect Trump to back down; unless mentally this takes such a toll on him he has no choice.
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Since the Prosecutor will convince Judge Canon that they can't provide most of the evidence because it would harm National Security, I'd say there's a reason why most Lawyers won't touch that.
Stay Tuned for future episodes.
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Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
Importantly, the Presidential Records Act has NO criminal penalty because the Congress and Carter had no intention of criminalizing document retention matters. And never before has the 1917 Espionage Act was never even discussed as applying to a former president. There is no justification for criminalizing this matter against Trump.
6:28 PM · Jun 9, 2023
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Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
Importantly, the Presidential Records Act has NO criminal penalty because the Congress and Carter had no intention of criminalizing document retention matters. And never before has the 1917 Espionage Act was never even discussed as applying to a former president. There is no justification for criminalizing this matter against Trump.
6:28 PM · Jun 9, 2023
I'm pretty darned sure I said much the same a few pages back @Right_in_Virginia
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Continued prayers for Trump. He's going to need them; praying that he has the physical and mental stamina needed to face this ordeal.
@libertybele
Are you kidding? He LIVES for this sort of thing. All it will do is get him more determined to kick butt and shout names.
Prayers up for the Trump family as well; especially Barron and Melania. This can't be easy on them.
I'm with ya on that one.
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@sneakypete IIRC the recordings did not take place while he was President rather they took place afterwards and that is a whole other issue.
@libertybele My short-term memory sucks thanks to chemo brain,but HOW would he have been able to get his hands on them after he had left office?
IF he doesn't have a good defense and attorneys prepare yourself for him actually being sentenced.
Oh,he WILL have good attorneys,there can be no doubt about that. The problem is likely to be he will want and insist on talking for himself,and you just can NOT do that sort of thing and be emotional in a Kangaroo court with the odds already stacked against you.
Lord only knows what the reaction is going to be from the country. Yes, past president have done similar things -- but remember, they are not the ones under indictment.
We are all political junkies,and a VERY small percentage of the adult population. Add to that the FACT that the left controls 90+ percent of the media and 100 percent of the broadcast media,and it makes no difference what he or his lawyer says or th e quality of the "evidence" used against him.
MOST people,including most career politicians would wimper and fold if facing a situation like this,but I honestly think that Trump loves it to death.
It is a basic part of human nature for us all to THINK that everyone else thinks like we do and will agree with us,but this is not true in cases like this,so being bombastic will probablhplay in his favor with the non-dedicated Dim public.
NOT saying he is going to win because I honestly don't have a clue,but he was born to deal with drama like this. It keeps a smile on his face once the red from the anger fades.
Most of us can see that this is being done to prevent him from running; something that I expected. The left will not stop until he either steps away from running or is behind bars.
I agree,but this is where the left made their mistake. They thought he would just "fold" like most of the innocent people they persecute,but he LOVES this sort of Biden.
I really think that MOST of the general public that pay any attention at all to the court drama that will emerge from this will be rooting for Trump.
ONLY the fools from the left can make a bombastic meglamanic/attention whore and turn him into a sympathic figure to the GENERAL PUBLIC.
Given the left's proven ability to steal votes and just create them out of thin air at the last moment,there is no guarantee that he will win,but this will give him a chance to gave some more support.
AND.....,it should be noted that he is already has a YUGE lead in the polls already. Which I KNOW is bound to make some "Miss Manners" heads here explode,but just be aware that heart pumps urine for you "Miss Manners idiots."
Let's just hope it is all televised.
I think we can count on that. The network masters may had Trump because he is standing in the way of "World Wide Gooberment,Inc",but they are going to LOVE the ratings and increased advertising fees they can get from airing it.
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He wasn't president at that time.
@DB
OK,"ex-president",then.
Makes no difference because every ex-president in the history of the US has done the same or similar things.
Damn shame that Trump is the "shy and retiring kind of Presdient that hates conflicts",huh?
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Wow! A wee bit of irony there...
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Gives ya the "warm and fuzzies" to post that,doesn't it,comrade?
Ever stop to wonder WHY Trump is the only former President in US history to be charged with a crime for doing what every other US President in history has done?
Of course it hasn't
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I bet he blew up at them, blamed them for not stopping the indictment, and refused to pay their bills.
:pootrump:
If history is any guide…
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Wow! A wee bit of irony there...
Lol
A little bit
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I'm pretty darned sure I said much the same a few pages back @Right_in_Virginia
Yes, you did @Bigun Sorry, I missed it.
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pointing-down Jesse Watters does a pretty good job here -----
"Joe Biden is having Donald Trump ARRESTED! But, EVERYONE has the law wrong!" (Video)
https://twitter.com/JesseBWatters/status/1667323188722962433
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the use of the word EVERYONE......is a red flag ....HEY.... EVERYBODY knows
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the use of the word EVERYONE......is a red flag ....HEY.... EVERYBODY knows
@MeshugeMikey
Did your comrades over at "Huff and Puff and suck the man down" tell you to post that?
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Everybody knows Leonard Cohen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_cHeycad64 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_cHeycad64)
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pointing-down Jesse Watters does a pretty good job here -----
"Joe Biden is having Donald Trump ARRESTED! But, EVERYONE has the law wrong!" (Video)
Gotta love the amateur lawyering and wishcasting going on in Trumpworld this weekend.
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Gotta love the amateur lawyering and wishcasting going on in Trumpworld this weekend.
They’re looking for any hope in a hopeless situation. But it seems with every mess Trump gets himself into, according to his MAGAs, it’s the law that’s wrong. Trump has no responsibility for his actions
Now we have to hope if he’s the nominee he doesn’t cost us downticket races along with his WH loss
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They’re looking for any hope in a hopeless situation. But it seems with every mess Trump gets himself into, according to his MAGAs, it’s the law that’s wrong. Trump has no responsibility for his actions
Now we have to hope if he’s the nominee he doesn’t cost us downticket races along with his WH loss
He will.
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Gotta love the amateur lawyering and wishcasting going on in Trumpworld this weekend.
Can you enlighten me as to when ANY former president has EVER been prosecuted for ANYTHING under the Espionage Act @Timber Rattler @LMAO I'll wait
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Can we finally arrest Marie Yovanovitch and put her on trial for perjury now?
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They haven't. Can you admit how stupid it was of Trump to talk about the classified documents he had in his possession, that he really wasn't supposed to have?
I have NEVER once argued against the fact that Trump needs to learn when to keep his damned mouth shut but that has nothing to do with being prosecuted for something that carries no criminal penalty.
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I have NEVER once argued against the fact that Trump needs to learn when to keep his damned mouth shut but that has nothing to do with being prosecuted for something that carries no criminal penalty.
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Can you enlighten me as to when ANY former president has EVER been prosecuted for ANYTHING under the Espionage Act @Timber Rattler @LMAO I'll wait
None
And that’s what I mean that I’m at least sympathetic to the fact that it seems like Donald Trump and his supporters get the full application of the law
But it still doesn’t let Donald Trump off the hook. And he is going to get something out of this. He’s not gonna get off Scott free.
Then there’s the court of public opinion. Secondary to millions of Hillary voter staying home in 2016 because they thought she had the election in the bag, I believe another thing that cost Hillary Clinton the election was mishandling of classified documents
If Donald Trump mishandles classified documents as an ex president, he’s not gonna be very convincing to the public at large that he would be more careful if he’s reelected to the White House
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None
And that’s what I mean that I’m at least sympathetic to the fact that it seems like Donald Trump and his supporters get the full application of the law
But it still doesn’t let Donald Trump off the hook. And he is going to get something out of this. He’s not gonna get off Scott free.
Then there’s the court of public opinion. Secondary to millions of Hillary voter staying home in 2016 because they thought she had the election in the bag, I believe another thing that cost Hillary Clinton the election was mishandling of classified documents
I don't think democrats really care what she did, they'd vote for her no matter what she's done. The same is true for the MAGA cult, which is dwindling.
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And that’s what I mean that I’m at least sympathetic to the fact that it seems like Donald Trump and his supporters get the full application of the law
But it still doesn’t let Donald Trump off the hook. And he is going to get something out of this. He’s not gonna get off Scott free.
Then there’s the court of public opinion. Secondary to millions of Hillary voter staying home in 2016 because they thought she had the election in the bag, I believe another thing that cost Hillary Clinton the election was mishandling of classified documents
If Donald Trump mishandles classified documents as an ex president, he’s not gonna be very convincing to the public at large that he would be more careful if he’s reelected to the White House
Until we have a solid rule of law again, NOTHING else matters.
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I don't think democrats really care what she did, they'd vote for her no matter what she's done. The same is true for the MAGA cult, which is dwindling.
Hillary Clinton should’ve been charged. But because our DOJ is so corrupt, she got to walk doing something everybody else would get charged for.
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Until we have a solid rule of law again, NOTHING else matters.
And this is the other half of the problem. It isn’t just Donald Trump. It’s a thoroughly corrupt department of justice.
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Hillary Clinton should’ve been charged. But because our DOJ is so corrupt, she got to walk doing something everybody else would get charged for.
Correct! And Donald John Trump never really got a chance to be president for the exact same reason!
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And therein lies the problem. People who would normally voice their concerns about what is happening are scared sh$tless about opening their mouths for fear of the govt coming after them. That's why if Trump ends up going to jail, there will be very few people that will actually protest it.
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Can you enlighten me as to when ANY former president has EVER been prosecuted for ANYTHING under the Espionage Act
This has nothing to do with the Espionage Act. It has everything to do with the 'Democrats Making It Up As You Go Act'. There is no legal basis for this.
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The thing that Donald Trump and many of his supporters don’t seem to understand is their passion for Donald Trump does not equal electoral success. We have posters here who state they want somebody who just throws bombs and they want Donald Trump unleashed should he get reelected
That’s why this hint of violence on behalf of Donald Trump is not only disturbing to me, but I can guarantee you that the Democrats are going to use that to their advantage. And Kari Lake’s veiled threat this isn’t a blogger. This was a former gubernatorial candidate for a state.
Even Adolf Hitler, after his failed Beer hall putsch, learned that violence and violent rhetoric wouldn’t work so he then understood that he had to work inside the system and create the alliances if he had any hope to enact the changes that he advocated for. Of course, many of those alliances that helped bring him to power later regretted it.
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Correct! And Donald John Trump never really got a chance to be president for the exact same reason!
That's on him. He never should have sided with the Swamp. He is a very small fish in a gargantuan pond with zero clue what to do to fix it.
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That's why if Trump ends up going to jail, there will be very few people that will actually protest it.
I will be one. Voting for DeSantis in the primary.
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That's on him. He never should have sided with the Swamp. He is a very small fish in a gargantuan pond with zero clue what to do to fix it.
No! It isn't on him! It's on YOU and ME and everyone else who stood around and let it happen! @Hoodat
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I will be one. Voting for DeSantis in the primary.
As will I.
And then, should he win the presidency, keep my fingers crossed and hope he doesn’t disappoint
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No! It isn't on him! It's on YOU and ME and everyone else who stood around and let it happen! @Hoodat
Donald Trump does assist in creating his own messes. But many of these federal bureaucracies desperately need to be reigned in and reformed. Because they will just continue to grow and grow and I don’t know who that person is that will do it. I just know it’s not Donald Trump.
So if one wants to know why cutting spending and reducing the size of the federal government is so important to conservatives, here you go
We are also a nation of laws. But we’re becoming a nation of suggestions unless you have the wrong political views
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Until we have a solid rule of law again, NOTHING else matters.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Correct! And Donald John Trump never really got a chance to be president for the exact same reason!
Trump had a mandate to clean up government when he was elected. He flushed it all down the toilet with "Hillary suffered enough" and surrounding himself with well known swamp creatures the day he was elected. He had no team of his own ready to go. He was totally unprepared. He had his chance and failed. It is time for someone else.
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No! It isn't on him! It's on YOU and ME and everyone else who stood around and let it happen! @Hoodat
No, it's on us who voted him into the primary. His mediocre performance during his Presidency is on him.
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The thing that Donald Trump and many of his supporters don’t seem to understand is their passion for Donald Trump does not equal electoral success. We have posters here who state they want somebody who just throws bombs and they want Donald Trump unleashed should he get reelected
That’s why this hint of violence on behalf of Donald Trump is not only disturbing to me, but I can guarantee you that the Democrats are going to use that to their advantage. And Kari Lake’s veiled threat this isn’t a blogger. This was a former gubernatorial candidate for a state.
Even Adolf Hitler, after his failed Beer hall putsch, learned that violence and violent rhetoric wouldn’t work so he then understood that he had to work inside the system and create the alliances if he had any hope to enact the changes that he advocated for. Of course, many of those alliances that helped bring him to power later regretted it.
@LMAO
Got your panties all in a wad,Princess?
You are NOT stupid,and you do NOT seriously think we are talking about throwing ACTUAL bombs.
Ever heard of "VERBAL Bombs",Tinkerbell?
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As will I.
And then, should he win the presidency, keep my fingers crossed and hope he doesn’t disappoint
@LMAO
Truthfully,that's all any of us can do regardless of who we vote for.
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One of my concerns right now is Trump's safety. This is his 2nd indictment. Will there be a 3rd???
There is no way that they are going to let him run again.
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@LMAO
Got your panties all in a wad,Princess?
You are NOT stupid,and you do NOT seriously think we are talking about throwing ACTUAL bombs.
Ever heard of "VERBAL Bombs",Tinkerbell?
Lol
I know that it doesn’t mean actual bombs. My point was just wanting a bomb thrower, the term you used, doesn’t accomplish anything except upset the commenters at MSNBC
I have not seen any poster here that has called for violence or hinted at it. But there are people out in the blogosphere that are and it is disturbing
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Lol
I know that it doesn’t mean actual bombs. My point was just wanting a bomb thrower, the term you used, doesn’t accomplish anything except upset the commenters at MSNBC
I have not seen any poster here that has called for violence or hinted at it. But there are people out in the blogosphere that are and it is disturbing
Are indeed people on the right calling for violence or is it the left making false accusations to create an insurrection? Never ever discount what the left is capable of. After all, J6 was planned by leftists. Then we have Antifa, BLM, and Trump haters and others who have caused massive destruction. They want to live by mob rule and have absolutely no regard for the rule of law.
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Are indeed people on the right calling for violence or is it the left making false accusations to create an insurrection? Never ever discount what the left is capable of. After all, J6 was planned by leftists. Then we have Antifa, BLM, and Trump haters and others who have caused massive destruction. They want to live by mob rule and have absolutely no regard for the rule of law.
Some of the call for violence could be coming from the left. But if it is, it’s a small number
And we need to stop with this January 6 was orchestrated by leftists nonsense. Nobody is buying it. The Minnesota governor tried to claim that the rioters in Minneapolis were white supremists and nobody bought that either.
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Some of the call for violence could be coming from the left. But if it is, it’s a small number
And we need to stop with this January 6 was orchestrated by leftists nonsense. Nobody is buying it. The Minnesota governor tried to claim that the rioters in Minneapolis were white supremists and nobody bought that either.
@LMAO Perhaps you would like it if people stopped saying that J6 was orchestrated, but there were videos indicating otherwise.
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And we need to stop with this January 6 was orchestrated by leftists nonsense. Nobody is buying it.
What makes you think it's nonsense? And why do you think no one is buying it?
I happen to believe you are very wrong on both.
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What makes you think it's nonsense? And why do you think no one is buying it?
I happen to believe you are very wrong on both.
You’re entitled to believe what you want. But it doesn’t make it so.
So some of you really believe that everybody who rioted on J6 was a leftist?? Lol… good luck selling that
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@LMAO Perhaps you would like it if people stopped saying that J6 was orchestrated, but there were videos indicating otherwise.
Because it sounds just as ridiculous as the Minnesota governor claiming that people that were arrested rioting in Minneapolis were white supremacists
But keep selling that to the public
What some of you are doing is to take one or two incidences that are questionable, and then believe that that discredits everything else
I think the Ray Epps aspect of January 6 is a curiosity and deserves more investigation. But I do not buy that everybody who rioted on January 6 was an undercover FBI or antifa member. That’s just nonsense.
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You’re entitled to believe what you want. But it doesn’t make it so.
So some of you really believe that everybody who rioted on J6 was a leftist?? Lol… good luck selling that
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I have heard no such thing and certainly never said it. What I have said, and will continue to say, is that it was ALL orchestrated by the left.
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Lol
I know that it doesn’t mean actual bombs. My point was just wanting a bomb thrower, the term you used, doesn’t accomplish anything except upset the commenters at MSNBC
I have not seen any poster here that has called for violence or hinted at it. But there are people out in the blogosphere that are and it is disturbing
@LMAO
My apologies for misunderstanding you.
As for the part in bold,we are in complete agreement.
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@LMAO
My apologies for misunderstanding you.
As for the part in bold,we are in complete agreement.
:patriot: :beer:
We’ll fight again later wink777.
But I am glad to see that you’re not defending this violent rhetoric. And even though we trade some shots at each other, I think you’ll find that we are in more agreement than not.
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I have heard no such thing and certainly never said it. What I have said, and will continue to say, is that it was ALL orchestrated by the left.
So it was the left that tweeted this before Jan 6?
“Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election," he tweeted. "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"
I’m not saying that everybody who supports Donald Trump is a violent maniac. In fact, a big majority are not
Butvgroups tend to be defined by their most radical members. And, like it or not, but Donald Trump and his supporters have a very hostile press that will amplify what the small number of people say and do on behalf of Trump. And these people who are calling for violence after this latest Trump indictment may end defining all Republican candidates
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Some of the call for violence could be coming from the left. But if it is, it’s a small number
And we need to stop with this January 6 was orchestrated by leftists nonsense. Nobody is buying it. The Minnesota governor tried to claim that the rioters in Minneapolis were white supremists and nobody bought that either.
@LMAO
Who do you think was behind it?
Asking because I not only don't know,but don't even remember what happened.
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So it was the left that tweeted this before Jan 6?
“Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election," he tweeted. "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"
NO! But the left damned sure made full use of the rally and managed to get a very good person and patriot MURDERED by the capitol police in the process!
I’m not saying that everybody who supports Donald Trump is a violent maniac. In fact, a big majority are not
Butvgroups tend to be defined by their most radical members. And, like it or not, but Donald Trump and his supporters have a very hostile press that will amplify what the small number of people say and do on behalf of Trump. And these people who are calling for violence after this latest Trump indictment may end defining all Republican candidates
Yes! Especially if we let the PRESS do the defining! At one time entire college courses were devoted to the subject of CRITICAL THINKING, now the subject is not on ANY syllabus that I'm aware of.
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No! It isn't on him! It's on YOU and ME and everyone else who stood around and let it happen! @Hoodat
Just a reminder, the reason I was zotted from TOS back in 2016 is because I pointed out how Trump was in bed with the Swamp. So no, this ain't on me, @Bigun
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BS! Name me ONE other person who has been prosecuted under this statute EVER
Trump exposed himself to prosecution through his egregious behavior. His lawyers can file a motion dismiss, but what are the chances of that going anywhere? Jack Smith is moving forward because he is confident of a relatively quick conviction in a less friendly venue.
If you want Biden and Clinton punished, protecting Trump is not the way to go. You need to nominate a candidate who is both capable of winning and determined to prosecute a former politician.
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Trump exposed himself to prosecution through his egregious behavior. His lawyers can file a motion dismiss, but what are the chances of that going anywhere? Jack Smith is moving forward because he is confident of a relatively quick conviction in a less friendly venue.
If you want Biden and Clinton punished, protecting Trump is not the way to go. You need to nominate a candidate who is both capable of winning and determined to prosecute a former politician.
Not responsive to the question asked!
This is how ridiculous our government has become.
Only if you believe the Lawfare BS that the institutions have higher authority than the President of the United States.
Institutions are not omnipotent entities; they are buildings and networks full of people who facilitate processes that are an outcome of policy. Those buildings and offices are not the government. The elected politicians who we send to Washington DC are not subservient to the processes, norms and morays they determine within the bureaucracy that the politicians are in charge of.
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Not responsive to the question asked!
To what are you referring? The Espionage Act of 1917?
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BS! Name me ONE other person who has been prosecuted under this statute EVER @cato potatoe
On June 2nd former Mueller special counsel and impeachment operative, Andrew Weissmann and Norm Eisen respectively, published their current Trump prosecution memo [Read Here (https://www.justsecurity.org/86771/model-prosecution-memo-for-trump-classified-documents/)] using a novel and arcane interpretation of US Code 793. Four days later media began reporting from leaks within the Jack Smith special counsel of the main legal approach they were going to use against President Trump [citation (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-indictment-section-793-espionage-act-mark-meadows-b2353684.html)]. What approach is Jack Smith taking, US Code 793! This is not coincidental.
A Philippine national named Michael Ray Aquino was prosecuted under 18 USC §793(e), and he pled guilty to the charge. His case was discussed in the context of which sentencing guideline applied to him here: https://casetext.com/case/us-v-aquino-11
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To what are you referring? The Espionage Act of 1917?
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Under the Obama and Trump administrations, at least eight Espionage Act prosecutions were related not to traditional espionage but either withholding information or communicating with members of the press.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917#21st_century
That same source lists a number of other recent prosecutions under the Espionage Act.