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Title: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification trial
Post by: Elderberry on May 23, 2023, 08:57:56 pm
AZ Central by Stacey Barchenger 5/22/2023

A Maricopa County judge has affirmed — again — Democratic Gov. Katie Hobbs' win in November and rejected Republican Kari Lake's claims that improper signature verification and misconduct affected the outcome.

The ruling comes after Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Peter Thompson heard three days of testimony and argument in his Mesa courtroom May 17-19. That proceeding, an unusual second trial in Lake's legal challenge to her November loss to Hobbs, was limited to a single claim about signature verification.

Lake's legal team argued it could prove signatures were examined in a matter of seconds, so short a timeframe it did not count as verification under state law. Thompson, in a Monday night ruling, disagreed.

"Accepting that argument would require the court to re-write not only the (Election Procedures Manual) but Arizona law to insert a minimum time for signature verification and specify the variables to be considered in the process," he wrote.

Lake has not conceded the race, which she lost by 17,117 votes, or less than 1 percentage point. Instead, she's pressed forward in court asking judges to set aside Hobbs' win, and she is likely to appeal Thompson's latest ruling.

Defense lawyers welcomed Thompson's decision following the case that, while seemingly about signature verification, often veered into larger questions about securing elections and voter trust.

"The court's ruling only confirms what we have known all along: Arizona’s elections are safe, secure, and reliable, and those who help facilitate Arizona’s elections are honest, have the highest integrity, and are committed to the preservation of our democracy," said Craig Morgan, an attorney with Sherman & Howard who represented the secretary of state. "This is a victory for Arizona, our election processes, and voters across the state."

In a statement, Maricopa County Board of Supervisors Chairman Clint Hickman, a Republican, critiqued Lake's false claims and her effort to "discard the valid votes of hundreds of thousands of Arizona voters."

More: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2023/05/22/judge-rules-against-kari-lake-in-arizona-governor-election-trial/70244231007/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2023/05/22/judge-rules-against-kari-lake-in-arizona-governor-election-trial/70244231007/)
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: bigheadfred on May 23, 2023, 09:01:42 pm
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Accepting that argument would require the court to re-write not only the (Election Procedures Manual) but Arizona law to insert a minimum time for signature verification and specify the variables to be considered in the process," he wrote.

Babbling bullsh*t.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 23, 2023, 10:07:08 pm
Babbling bullsh*t.

It will be interesting to see what the AZ Supreme Court does now.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: Hoodat on May 23, 2023, 10:26:41 pm
If only someone had gone after Maricopa county for simply violating the law instead of trying to prove fraud.  We don't need a fraud verdict to have the election tossed.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 24, 2023, 05:35:29 am
Babbling bullsh*t.
Yep!

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Accepting that argument would require the court to re-write not only the (Election Procedures Manual) but Arizona law to insert a minimum time for signature verification and specify the variables to be considered in the process," he wrote.

Translation: "We can't do the right thing because we'd have to make waves and make people do their job."
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: HikerGuy83 on June 03, 2023, 09:01:50 pm
We already have the 2024 election looming and I don't see that any of this has created traction for better elections.

I have no clue where the AZ GOP is hiding.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on June 03, 2023, 09:06:08 pm
(https://i.imgflip.com/58lwop.jpg)

Offer still stands for 2024 Arizona recount(s).
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: HikerGuy83 on June 04, 2023, 08:37:33 pm
(https://i.imgflip.com/58lwop.jpg)

Offer still stands for 2024 Arizona recount(s).

Who is running in 2024 ?

Do you know ?

Why would anyone run if they thought the election was "rigged". 

I like Kari Lake (a lot more than I used to).  But, she's got to get off that box.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: DB on June 04, 2023, 08:53:40 pm
Who is running in 2024 ?

Do you know ?

Why would anyone run if they thought the election was "rigged". 

I like Kari Lake (a lot more than I used to).  But, she's got to get off that box.

Her head seems to be deeply embedded in Trump's ass.

Until she fixes that, nothing else will matter regarding her political future.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 04, 2023, 09:10:30 pm
I disagree. Kari needs to keep fighting until she wins, otherwise future elections will be a waste of time, like in California.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: Fishrrman on June 04, 2023, 09:19:39 pm
Cyber wrote:
"Kari needs to keep fighting until she wins, otherwise future elections will be a waste of time, like in California."

You've "fought the good fight" in AZ, Cyber.
But... Ms. Lake ain't gonna win this one.

She needs to be thinking about her next act.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 04, 2023, 09:25:57 pm
Cyber wrote:
"Kari needs to keep fighting until she wins, otherwise future elections will be a waste of time, like in California."

You've "fought the good fight" in AZ, Cyber.
But... Ms. Lake ain't gonna win this one.

She needs to be thinking about her next act.

In that case, I'll quit the Party and will not vote ever again.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: DB on June 04, 2023, 09:44:05 pm
I disagree. Kari needs to keep fighting until she wins, otherwise future elections will be a waste of time, like in California.

I assume that some of this has moved to the AZ supreme court. Is there any schedule regarding that?
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 04, 2023, 10:12:21 pm
I assume that some of this has moved to the AZ supreme court. Is there any schedule regarding that?

Lake has appealed the latest insult of a decision to the AZSC, and I think she's going to the Federal Court.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: libertybele on June 04, 2023, 10:14:35 pm
In that case, I'll quit the Party and will not vote ever again.

You have to do what you need to do. There is no shame in that.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 04, 2023, 10:17:56 pm
You have to do what you need to do. There is no shame in that.

I will build a drawbridge. Easy peasy now that I had to repair my broken driveway. Then I can hoist it up.  True fact.  It's good to own a Castle.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: bigheadfred on June 04, 2023, 10:22:05 pm
In that case, I'll quit the Party and will not vote ever again.

Easy enough. A bean bag chair, a bag of Cheetos, and reruns of Orange is the New Black and you are set.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: sneakypete on June 04, 2023, 11:47:03 pm
Her head seems to be deeply embedded in Trump's ass.

Until she fixes that, nothing else will matter regarding her political future.

@DB

EVERYTHING is Rude Orange Man's fault,isn't it?

I bet you  dream about him.

Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: sneakypete on June 04, 2023, 11:48:31 pm
I disagree. Kari needs to keep fighting until she wins, otherwise future elections will be a waste of time, like in California.

@Cyber Liberty

Given that Slow Joe  was allegedly elected last  time,I am thinking THAT ship (future elections) has already sailed away.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: libertybele on June 04, 2023, 11:48:52 pm
I will build a drawbridge. Easy peasy now that I had to repair my broken driveway. Then I can hoist it up.  True fact.  It's good to own a Castle.

Indeed. You are very fortunate!  :beer:
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: Bigun on June 05, 2023, 12:09:11 am
@Cyber Liberty

Given that Slow Joe  was allegedly elected last  time,I am thinking THAT ship (future elections) has already sailed away.

It's sure looking that way to me @sneakypete I spent more than 40 years trying to make a difference and failed miserably. Just don't know how to quit.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 05, 2023, 03:51:43 pm
@Cyber Liberty

Given that Slow Joe  was allegedly elected last  time,I am thinking THAT ship (future elections) has already sailed away.

@sneakypete

That is certainly possible.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: HikerGuy83 on June 06, 2023, 12:18:22 am
I disagree. Kari needs to keep fighting until she wins, otherwise future elections will be a waste of time, like in California.
Her head seems to be deeply embedded in Trump's ass.

Until she fixes that, nothing else will matter regarding her political future.

While I would agree that she is to attached to Trump and that baggage will hurt her, she's got more smarts (and I mean that) and charisma than anything that dems have to offer .  As soon as the McStainers wake up, she'll start going places (and she might even without them).

But she needs to keep pushing for good elections.  Using the words "rigged" or "stolen" instanly kill credibility. 
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: HikerGuy83 on June 06, 2023, 12:42:41 am
Cyber wrote:
"Kari needs to keep fighting until she wins, otherwise future elections will be a waste of time, like in California."

You've "fought the good fight" in AZ, Cyber.
But... Ms. Lake ain't gonna win this one.

She needs to be thinking about her next act.

Winning is more than just "winning".

And as the dems continue to show that they don't have much to offer....she's on deck ready for her time.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: HikerGuy83 on June 07, 2023, 04:38:06 pm
It's sure looking that way to me @sneakypete I spent more than 40 years trying to make a difference and failed miserably. Just don't know how to quit.

So don't.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: HikerGuy83 on June 13, 2023, 03:32:44 pm
Karri Lake steps in it again.

Why does a very good (and a pretty smart) candidate do this to herself ?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kari-lake-gets-math-lesson-after-claiming-90-of-americans-support-trump/ar-AA1csYjR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bc8e661920ef4e0093e856bf3a174a75&ei=19

The title of the article isn't truthful.  But the comments they are quoting are direct.  She either got a number confused or got carried away.  In any case, it's hyperbolic and unecessary.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: DB on June 13, 2023, 03:34:44 pm
Karri Lake steps in it again.

Why does a very good (and a pretty smart) candidate do this to herself ?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kari-lake-gets-math-lesson-after-claiming-90-of-americans-support-trump/ar-AA1csYjR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bc8e661920ef4e0093e856bf3a174a75&ei=19

She's got Trumpitis.
Title: Re: Judge rules against Kari Lake, affirms Hobbs as AZ governor in election signature verification t
Post by: HikerGuy83 on June 14, 2023, 01:29:48 am
She's got Trumpitis.

I am afraid I have to agree with you.

Trump lost me during the Pandemic.  He totally blew it and it cost him the election.  He let me down.

She's headed in the same direction.

She could be really good if she just got off the fringe crap and stayed with the message she had running for governor.