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General Category => Elections 2024 => Topic started by: libertybele on May 13, 2023, 01:22:06 am
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If indeed DeSantis makes the announcement, things are about to become very interesting as far as Trump's mudslinging -- and we all know it's going to happen.
Ron DeSantis is on the verge of announcing his presidential bid
The clock is about to begin ticking down on Ron DeSantis’ presidential announcement.
On Monday, the Florida governor’s political operation is set to move into its new base of operations, which will trigger disclosure requirements with federal officials.
The DeSantis political operation is currently housed in downtown Tallahassee, but staffers are set to make a short move to a new downtown location that will serve as a more official campaign home, according to a source familiar with the campaign’s plans, as well as another person knowledgeable about the move.
That move will require the not-yet-filed campaign to spend more than $5,000 and, under Federal Election Commission guidelines, when someone running for federal office spends more than $5,000, they are required to register, file financial reports and designate a principal campaign committee.
Functionally, the office move will require DeSantis to file paperwork with federal election officials within 15 days, thus acknowledging publicly for the first time that he is running for president..................
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-verge-announcing-presidential-bid-rcna84256
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If indeed DeSantis makes the announcement, things are about to become very interesting as far as Trump's mudslinging -- and we all know it's going to happen.
Ron DeSantis is on the verge of announcing his presidential bid
The clock is about to begin ticking down on Ron DeSantis’ presidential announcement.
On Monday, the Florida governor’s political operation is set to move into its new base of operations, which will trigger disclosure requirements with federal officials.
The DeSantis political operation is currently housed in downtown Tallahassee, but staffers are set to make a short move to a new downtown location that will serve as a more official campaign home, according to a source familiar with the campaign’s plans, as well as another person knowledgeable about the move.
That move will require the not-yet-filed campaign to spend more than $5,000 and, under Federal Election Commission guidelines, when someone running for federal office spends more than $5,000, they are required to register, file financial reports and designate a principal campaign committee.
Functionally, the office move will require DeSantis to file paperwork with federal election officials within 15 days, thus acknowledging publicly for the first time that he is running for president..................
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-verge-announcing-presidential-bid-rcna84256
Is that $5,000 indexed for inflation? It seems like an awfully low amount these days.
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If indeed DeSantis makes the announcement, things are about to become very interesting as far as Trump's mudslinging -- and we all know it's going to happen.
Friendly reminder @libertybele: Exposing the actual DeSantis record is not "mudslinging". happy77
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Friendly reminder @libertybele: Exposing the actual DeSantis record is not "mudslinging". happy77
As long as what is being stated is accurate, no, it is not mudslinging. When inaccurate information and false accusations are made, then yes it is mudslinging @Right_in_Virginia
As a friendly reminder: Trump saying that Cruz's father helped Kennedy's assassin, that IS mudslinging. When he makes statements like "blood coming out of her wherever" about Megyn Kelly, that's mudslinging and just being plain nasty. The list goes on and on .... Trump created that reputation. That reputation is what I object to and what may very well destroy his chances of re-election.
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As a friendly reminder: Trump saying that Cruz's father helped Kennedy's assassin, that IS mudslinging. When he makes statements like "blood coming out of her wherever" about Megyn Kelly, that's mudslinging and just being plain nasty.
Why are you so afraid to keep the focus on Trump and DeSantis?
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Should DeSantis run, and I suspect he will, I will give him an ear like I would give any other candidate. I will look at his record and decide on my own. I won’t let Trump or the MAGA forces tell me what his record is as I am very capable of looking at his record on my own, pros and cons. After all, it was Trump and his MAGA’s that made the claim that George Soros endorsed Ron DeSantis and found a 20 some year old picture of Ron DeSantis surrounded by what appears to be under age girls drinking without any type of context, claiming he was trying to groom them with no evidence of such, and then one of his MAGAs here demanded to know if the rest of us thought that buying alcohol for underage girls was a Conservative position… Lol. So I am very skeptical of claims made by them when it comes to Ron DeSantis. A lot of them are nothing more than regurgitated and unsubstantiated talking points from Trump’s own TruthSocial
His record in Congress was definitely that of a conservative, especially on the spending. But we’ll see what his official positions will be once he enters the race. I’m not entirely impressed with the Disney stuff or the six week abortion ban, though.
And despite Donald Trump’s claim, Florida is not a failing state under republican leadership. And Ron DeSantis, like any other Republican, has every right to try to run for president in an open, and I stress open, Republican presidential primary, and make his case. I don’t care how anxious it makes Donald Trump.
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Should DeSantis run, and I suspect he will, I will give him an ear like I would give any other candidate. I will look at his record and decide on my own. I won’t let Trump or the MAGA forces tell me what his record is as I am very capable of looking at his record on my own, pros and cons. After all, it was Trump and his MAGA’s that made the claim that George Soros endorsed Ron DeSantis and found a 20 some year old picture of Ron DeSantis surrounded by what appears to be under age girls drinking without any type of context, claiming he was trying to groom them with no evidence of such, and then one of his MAGAs here demanded to know if the rest of us thought that buying alcohol for underage girls was a Conservative position… Lol. So I am very skeptical of claims made by them when it comes to Ron DeSantis. A lot of them are nothing more than regurgitated and unsubstantiated talking points from Trump’s own TruthSocial
His record in Congress was definitely that of a conservative, especially on the spending. But we’ll see what his official positions will be once he enters the race. I’m not entirely impressed with the Disney stuff or the six week abortion ban, though.
And despite Donald Trump’s claim, Florida is not a failing state under republican leadership. And Ron DeSantis, like any other Republican, has every right to try to run for president in an open, and I stress open, Republican presidential primary, and make his case. I don’t care how anxious it makes Donald Trump.
With the exception of Trump, I will vote for whoever is the GOP nominee. He is going to have a tough race if the dem nominee is either Biden or Newsom.
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Although I’m not quite as socially conservative as DeSantis, I have found myself becoming more so than I used to be
I used to think that the Republicans should not engage too deeply in the culture wars and fight on the economic and spending front. I still believe that
However, I have softened that position as what I’ve seen in recent years is very disturbing. By conceding the culture wars, we now have nine month abortions, and we’re fighting a major political party to protect children from dangerous hormonal treatments and permanent surgical procedures. And it was always law to not allow children access to porn, nor have adults providing children pornographic material. Now it’s encouraged.
There’s a whole lot of predators from “To Catch a Predator” that are going to feel robbed
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Should DeSantis run, and I suspect he will, I will give him an ear like I would give any other candidate. I will look at his record and decide on my own.
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His record in Congress was definitely that of a conservative, especially on the spending. But we’ll see what his official positions will be once he enters the race. I’m not entirely impressed with the Disney stuff or the six week abortion ban, though.
I am already willing to push in chips on DeSantis. I have not really researched him, nor will I for a long time - I refuse to let election drama govern my life for the next two years... So my research will happen way closer to decision making time, so it is all fresh in my mind. Otherwise I will pay no more attention to it than I do right here. Whatever comes through TBR is more than enough of that for a long while.
BUT, having done a cursory search, basically his congressional record, news concerning his election to congress, and his record as governor - skipping through the highlights - He is certainly Conservative, certainly TEA, and I know right now, without something unlikely coming to light, I will go all-in on DeSantis.
And happily. I would LOVE to have someone to vote *FOR*. It was nice to be able to back Cruz, having a candidate in the presidential run for the first time in a long time... And DeSantis is that, again... Pretty sure of that already.
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Although I’m not quite as socially conservative as DeSantis, I have found myself becoming more so than I used to be
I used to think that the Republicans should not engage too deeply in the culture wars and fight on the economic and spending front. I still believe that
However, I have softened that position as what I’ve seen in recent years is very disturbing. By conceding the culture wars, we now have nine month abortions, and we’re fighting a major political party to protect children from dangerous hormonal treatments and permanent surgical procedures. And it was always law to not allow children access to porn, nor have adults providing children pornographic material. Now it’s encouraged.
There’s a whole lot of predators from “To Catch a Predator” that are going to feel robbed
Speaking of Conservatism in it's greater form (not politics), studying the principles thereof... One comes to the understanding that those principles are intertwined... Interdependent.
Just like you cannot have fiscal responsibility and small government along with a welfare state, so you'll find, the welfare state becomes less necessary with a culture compliant with social conservatism... Baby daddies and bastard kids, single parent households, alcohol and drug addictions... All these are burgeoning and driving the welfare culture... And all of them are denounced and defended against by the cultural Right.
Reagan was right to offer the Christians a seat at the Conservative table - Not only for the votes - but rather, because the left was fighting a cultural battle more than a political one - Causing culture to become political. The Judeo-Christian ethic was being attacked, and that ethic (not religion) is the root of our cultural norm. Our very understanding of right and wrong. Prior to Reagan, there were no political defenders on the cultural front, because before that time, they were not needed.
That is no slight on Goldwater - Goldwater Conservatives (read conservative libertarians too, same thing, basically) tend to be Christians. It is more that the cultural norms didn't need defending until Reagan's time... Where it became a necessity.
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Jonathan Swan
@jonathanvswan
"The governor and his team have had internal conversations acknowledging the need for him to engage in the basics of political courtship: small talk, handshaking, eye contact."
10:13 AM · May 13, 2023
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Jonathan Swan
@jonathanvswan
"The governor and his team have had internal conversations acknowledging the need for him to engage in the basics of political courtship: small talk, handshaking, eye contact."
10:13 AM · May 13, 2023
Iowa today ---
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Why are you so afraid to keep the focus on Trump and DeSantis?
??? I am not afraid of focusing on Trump and DeSantis. Not in the least. I was giving examples of Trump's mudslinging in the past because they set a clear example of Trump's reputation as a bully as well as his false accusations; basically he lies about his opponents in order to try to smear them. Do you think people have forgotten the blatant lies and accusations he tossed at his opponents during '16??? He continues on with that behavior and he will lose.
Why are Trump and Trumpsters so afraid of DeSantis that they have to start the mudslinging before he's even announced he's running??
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Jonathan Swan
@jonathanvswan
"The governor and his team have had internal conversations acknowledging the need for him to engage in the basics of political courtship: small talk, handshaking, eye contact."
10:13 AM · May 13, 2023
*****rollingeyes***** The good governor doesn't need practice in political courtship -- he's been our governor for awhile now. So far he's done exceptionally well.
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??? I am not afraid of focusing on Trump and DeSantis.
Then do it.
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*****rollingeyes***** The good governor doesn't need practice in political courtship -- he's been our governor for awhile now. So far he's done exceptionally well.
Nope. His mega donors didn't believe the (legendary) reports of what piss poor social skills little Ron has. The boy is a little "off"
They do now, and want it "fixed". :laugh:
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I'm on the verge of not being surprised.
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Raheem.
@RaheemKassam
REMEMBER: Last year the backstabbers all said “OMG WHY IS TRUMP ATTACKING HIM HE’S NOT EVEN RUNNING.”
Now they’re boasting of massive corporate funded war chests and mocking Trump supporters.
Trump knew, and took the right strategic action early.
12:39 PM · May 13, 2023
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As long as what is being stated is accurate, no, it is not mudslinging.
Of course, that goes for talking about Trump as well.
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*****rollingeyes***** The good governor doesn't need practice in political courtship -- he's been our governor for awhile now. So far he's done exceptionally well.
He's not as good a schmoozer, nor as glib, as is Trump. He just isn't. At the same time, he's smarter, more competent, more mature, and more conservative than Trump, and a much better judge of others as well.
He just can't pull his punches if he's running against Trump. Trump doesn't play by the 11th Commandment, so neither should Republicans running against him.
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I just popped in to see how many times RiV posted.
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I just popped in to see how many times RiV posted.
Oh, sweet @Sighlass ---- get a life. :laugh:
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I am already willing to push in chips on DeSantis. I have not really researched him, nor will I for a long time - I refuse to let election drama govern my life for the next two years... So my research will happen way closer to decision making time, so it is all fresh in my mind. Otherwise I will pay no more attention to it than I do right here. Whatever comes through TBR is more than enough of that for a long while.
BUT, having done a cursory search, basically his congressional record, news concerning his election to congress, and his record as governor - skipping through the highlights - He is certainly Conservative, certainly TEA, and I know right now, without something unlikely coming to light, I will go all-in on DeSantis.
And happily. I would LOVE to have someone to vote *FOR*. It was nice to be able to back Cruz, having a candidate in the presidential run for the first time in a long time... And DeSantis is that, again... Pretty sure of that already.
Cruz isn't really relatable to a lot of folks, which is a shame because he's extremely bright and dead-on the issues. DeSantis hopefully he can go further than did Cruz. Like you said, it would be really nice to truly vote "for" someone for a change. Hasn't been the case for me personally since Reagan.
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Cruz isn't really relatable to a lot of folks, which is a shame because he's extremely bright and dead-on the issues. DeSantis hopefully he can go further than did Cruz. Like you said, it would be really nice to truly vote "for" someone for a change. Hasn't been the case for me personally since Reagan.
I find that odd, that Cruz bit... I spent some time listening to him. Very smart, and very well spoken - But more than that, at his whistle-stops, he had a knack for calling out his detractors and naysayers - Calling them right up to the mike and having a Change-my-mind-esque moment... Airing the argument, and often in his favor.
I certainly didn't find him to be a brilliant orator - That is a bird of another color - But as far as one-to-one, really attempting to flesh out his view to the common man, I found him to be exemplary. I wonder often how that 'not relatable' bit came about.
Country music suffers a comparable thing - And I have seen many a detractor change their mind, admitting their bias as coming from trying to fit in with whatever was 'cool', having never given the genre a fair shake.
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Exposing the actual DeSantis record is not "mudslinging". happy77
Lying about DeSantis' record is worse than mudslinging. Like that lie about DeSantis denying Disney their First Amendment rights. Remember that one?
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Published May 15, 2023 12:28pm EDT
DeSantis press secretary leaves governor's office to join political operation
Gov Ron DeSantis press secretary Bryan Griffin will step down from his role in the governor's office
By Elizabeth Elkind , Matt Leach | Fox NewsEXCLUSIVE: A top official in Ron DeSantis’ gubernatorial office is stepping down to join his political operation, Fox News Digital learned on Monday, in yet another sign that the popular Florida Republican is eyeing a White House bid in 2024.
Bryan Griffin, press secretary for the Executive Office of Governor Ron DeSantis, is resigning to take on a new role as press secretary in DeSantis’ political operation.
In his resignation letter obtained by Fox News Digital, Griffin said he is "stepping away from this role to pursue other avenues of helping to deliver the governor’s success to our country."
"I believe that Governor DeSantis is the only leader who can see us to victory at this critical moment in American history," the Republican operative wrote. "If I can be even a small part of the revival and restoration of our great nation, then I am prepared to give it my all." ...
FOX News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/desantis-press-secretary-leaves-governors-office-join-political-operation)
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Lying about DeSantis' record is worse than mudslinging. Like that lie about DeSantis denying Disney their First Amendment rights. Remember that one?
President Trump hasn't claimed Disney has been denied its First Amendment rights, Disney claimed this in their lawsuit against the DeSantis Administration. But, you know this.
Let's see what the courts have to say. I'm pretty sure the Supremes will be asked to weigh in on this.
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Lying about DeSantis' record is worse than mudslinging. Like that lie about DeSantis denying Disney their First Amendment rights. Remember that one?
President Trump hasn't claimed Disney has been denied its First Amendment rights
I wasn't talking about Trump. I was talking about you.
Disney claimed this in their lawsuit against the DeSantis Administration. But, you know this.
And you accepted it as fact and repeated it on this forum. But you know this. Also, you were asked repeatedly to point out how Amendment I had been violated. And each and every time, you remained silent. But you know that, too.
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This is your post, @Right_in_Virginia :
So trampling the First Amendment is okay if it's done with conservative boots?
And again:
The state's retaliation in response to a corporation's First Amendment rights is a no-no. :nono:
Desantis better pray you're not subpoenaed. 88devil
And again:
That may be. But it's not what prompted the Governor's and statehouse's actions against Disney. We know this because the governor admitted in his book, during speeches, at press conferences, etc. that the actions taken were in direct response to Disney's vocal, woke opposition to the "Don't Say Gay" law.
This sure appears to be quintessential government retaliation in contradiction to First Amendment rights.
So there's two options here. You could show how DeSantis violated the First Amendment. Or you can continue to play dumb about it, showing everyone here that you intentionally posted something that you knew not to be true in order to deceive other posters here. You know, the very thing you falsely accused someone else of doing.
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I wasn't talking about Trump. I was talking about you.
And you accepted it as fact and repeated it on this forum. But you know this. Also, you were asked repeatedly to point out how Amendment I had been violated. And each and every time, you remained silent. But you know that, too.
I posted reports on the lawsuit with a caution the Supremes ruled corporations have First Amendment protections.....a 5-4 decisions carried by Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy.
The claim made by the Disney Corporation in their suit (which I pointed out at least half a dozen times) is that the actions taken by DeSantis and his administration are retaliation for their objection to Ron's "Don't Say Gay" bill --- which, they claim, is a violation of their First Amendment rights and protections.
Disney cited chapter and verse the actions taken, Ron's admission in his book what motivated the actions and the very public actions Ron threatened to take in the future, including building a high security prison next to the Disney theme park.
All I've done is report. So, don't shoot the messenger, bro. :shrug:
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*****rollingeyes***** The good governor doesn't need practice in political courtship -- he's been our governor for awhile now. So far he's done exceptionally well.
Half of me wants him to stay Governor.
The other half thinks of him as Obi-Wan: he may be our only hope.
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All I've done is report. So, don't shoot the messenger, bro. :shrug:
In the preceding post, you will find three of your posts that directly contradict your 'I'm only the messenger' schtick. But then you knew that already. So option two is the only plausible explanation. Continue to play dumb about it, showing everyone here that you intentionally posted something that you knew not to be true in order to deceive other posters here.
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In the preceding post, you will find three of your posts that directly contradict your 'I'm only the messenger' schtick. But then you knew that already. So option two is the only plausible explanation. Continue to play dumb about it, showing everyone here that you intentionally posted something that you knew not to be true in order to deceive other posters here.
You cherry-picked parts of on-going conversations in an effort to support another of your silly personal attacks against me.
Your efforts to turn the spotlight to me and away from Ron DeSantis won't work. wink777
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DeSantis is a highly successful governor and the people of Florida agree. Barring some unforeseen development (something real, not some unsubstantiated horsesh*t concocted by Trump or his pets), he'll have my support.
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You cherry-picked parts of on-going conversations in an effort to support another of your silly personal attacks against me.
I reposted three posts of yours where you are pushing a false left-wing narrative - a narrative which you know not to be true - in order to intentionally deceive members of this community. Nothing cherry-picked about it. If you wish to challenge your own posts by posting something which supports that liberal narrative, then speak up. You have have had numerous opportunities to do so. The reason you haven't is because you know deep down that the narrative you are pushing is a lie which cannot be supported.
Your efforts to turn the spotlight to me and away from Ron DeSantis won't work. wink777
Ron DeSantis isn't the one pushing lies on this forum. If at some time in the future he does, I will promptly call him out on it as well.
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DeSantis is a highly successful governor and the people of Florida agree.
Trump agrees, too.
https://twitter.com/MaxNordau/status/1649523884574781441
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The most wonderful feature of this site is the ignore feature. RIV has earned it. He, she...or whatever their pronouns are currently. :laugh:
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Half of me wants him to stay Governor.
The other half thinks of him as Obi-Wan: he may be our only hope.
I am conflicted somewhat as well. I think it is really important to have as many conservative governors throughout the country as possible to hold the line against he liberals. But, what other true conservative has a shot at the oval office other than DeSantis?
Hawley perhaps, but he has shown no interest. Jordan hasn't shown any interest either.
DeSantis' record of success is unmatched.