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Why GOP voters are so loyal to Trump
by Caroline Vakil - 04/30/23 6:00 AM ET
Republican primary voters are showing no signs of easing their support for former President Trump as their 2024 GOP presidential candidate.
Trump’s lead in the presumptive field of GOP presidential candidates has widened in most polling, even as he finds himself embroiled in high-profile legal battles and as the party grapples with a worse-than-expected midterm election.
Though the presidential debates and primaries are still months away, pollsters and even some anti-Trump Republicans point to the former president’s recent indictment and his no-holds-barred approach to his presumptive GOP rivals as being among the reasons some in the party are still leaning toward the former president.
“Donald Trump has conditioned … a pretty serious majority of the Republican base to believe that any legal critique of him, any external charge made against him is invalid and a product of the ‘deep state’ or a conspiracy of some kind to take him away from Republican voters,” said Rick Wilson, co-founder of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project.
“So why did you see Trump’s numbers go up after Mar-a-Lago was raided by the FBI? Why did you see his numbers go up after he was indicted in New York? That’s because that base — it is an inversion of the prior known political behavior, which is to say, people don’t like criminals,” he added. “And yet, when you accuse Donald Trump of being a criminal, even with all the evidence in the world, their response is, ‘No, he’s not. You’re the one who’s doing this.’”
Trump made headlines in late March when he became the first president to face criminal charges. The indictment followed a probe by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D) that centers on Trump’s possible involvement in a hush money payment made during his 2016 campaign to a porn star.
Though an indictment would ordinarily be considered politically damning for any presidential candidate, polling suggests it hasn’t harmed Trump — and it might even have helped him.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3978590-why-gop-voters-are-so-loyal-to-trump/
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Interesting choice of words; “Donald Trump has conditioned … a pretty serious majority of the Republican base to believe that any legal critique of him, any external charge made against him is invalid and a product of the ‘deep state’ or a conspiracy of some kind to take him away from Republican voters,” said Rick Wilson, co-founder of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project.
It is unfortunate as there is no pathway to victory for Trump; the leftists will see to it. There is no way that are going to allow him to be re-elected. Besides, what is the RNC/GOP doing differently to ensure a free and fair election??
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“And yet, when you accuse Donald Trump of being a criminal, even with all the evidence in the world,
What evidence? The 'evidence' screams political hit jobs.
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“Donald Trump has conditioned … a pretty serious majority of the Republican base to believe that any legal critique of him, any external charge made against him is invalid and a product of the ‘deep state’ or a conspiracy of some kind to take him away from Republican voters,” said Rick Wilson, co-founder of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project.
“So why did you see Trump’s numbers go up after Mar-a-Lago was raided by the FBI? Why did you see his numbers go up after he was indicted in New York? That’s because that base — it is an inversion of the prior known political behavior, which is to say, people don’t like criminals,” he added. “And yet, when you accuse Donald Trump of being a criminal, even with all the evidence in the world, their response is, ‘No, he’s not. You’re the one who’s doing this.’”
I'm as anti-Trump as anyone here, but you don't have to be a Trump supporter to see that the Dems used the justice system to target him right from the very start. They've basically been following him 24/7 to see if he is doing anything against the law, and then going after him. It's the equivalent of the cops trying to catch a particular person for speeding, and then arresting him when he goes 57 in a 55 zone.
And while they claim that this means they are "upholding the law", they lost a whole bunch of Republicans who don't even like Trump in the summer of 2020, when even elected Democrats encouraged riots. I don't like Trump, but I like legal hit jobs even less.
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Trump's supporters aren't "conditioned", they are awake --- and have been from the beginning.
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Trump's supporters aren't "conditioned", they are awake --- and have been from the beginning.
No, actually, they are just willing to ignore the evidence of their senses in order to support a very flawed leader.
And yet, the truth is that Trump is nowhere near as bad as he's made out to be by Democrats and by the weirdos at The Lincoln Project.
He needs to stand on his own virtues and also: answer for his shortcomings. That is why we have primaries and elections.
I would like to see him embrace that challenge rather than lash out at prospective challengers in his own party.
Let's see if he can.
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I'm as anti-Trump as anyone here, but you don't have to be a Trump supporter to see that the Dems used the justice system to target him right from the very start. They've basically been following him 24/7 to see if he is doing anything against the law, and then going after him. It's the equivalent of the cops trying to catch a particular person for speeding, and then arresting him when he goes 57 in a 55 zone.
And while they claim that this means they are "upholding the law", they lost a whole bunch of Republicans who don't even like Trump in the summer of 2020, when even elected Democrats encouraged riots. I don't like Trump, but I like legal hit jobs even less.
That's right. If anyone conditioned the voters it is the Democrats and the media who have cried wolf many times too much. One can easily reject everything they say from 'Russia! Russia! Russia!' onward.
The next problem is that Tumpy and his ain't no damn better... Just as apt to lie and spin and defame.
So 'a pox on all their houses' is the only sane way forward.
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bele predicts:
"It is unfortunate as there is no pathway to victory for Trump; the leftists will see to it."
OK. If I'm to accept this, I need you to answer this:
If the leftists have the power to block any "pathway to victory" for Mr. Trump, what in heaven's name makes you believe they're going to OPEN that pathway for another candidate such as Mr. DeSantis?
If they can prevent the most popular Republican from winning, why would they not prevent every other possible candidate from winning, as well?
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bele predicts:
"It is unfortunate as there is no pathway to victory for Trump; the leftists will see to it."
OK. If I'm to accept this, I need you to answer this:
If the leftists have the power to block any "pathway to victory" for Mr. Trump, what in heaven's name makes you believe they're going to OPEN that pathway for another candidate such as Mr. DeSantis?
If they can prevent the most popular Republican from winning, why would they not prevent every other possible candidate from winning, as well?
In order to have a fighting chance against the Democrats, not only does the GOP base need to be united behind a candidate, but a significant percentage on swing voters need to be aswell
The GOP is divided going into 2024 and Trump is very unpopular with independent voters. I'm not saying that DeSantis or that guy whose's name I can't pronounce will change any dynamics. But there chances might, and i mean might, be better than Trump's as his deep unpopularity is baked into the electorate. I think Jan 6th really hurt him with swing voters
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Trump's supporters aren't "conditioned", they are awake --- and have been from the beginning.
cough cough ahem
surely youve heard of post hypnotic suggestion?
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DILBERTS CREATOR a trained HYONOTIST SAYS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFwJNRbAJ0I
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Trump's supporters aren't "conditioned", they are awake --- and have been from the beginning.
:mauslaff:
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So 'a pox on all their houses' is the only sane way forward.
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surely youve heard of post hypnotic suggestion?
Time to refill your meds, Sparky.
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Time to refill your meds, Sparky.
Play that to him backwards...
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Time to refill your meds, Sparky.
BULLSEYE
i know all the REACTIONS......and :Time to refill your meds: means i drew blood
oh.......... that was rich... yes
a trained hypnotist tells you that trump knows hypnotism and you lay down some inane middle school smack||
you didnt mention THE CRAYONS???
(https://i.imgur.com/FN7AHID.gif)
time will eventually tell the WHOLE TALE of DONNA TWUMP..and you'll shake your head in disbelief....trying fo determine how you were so taken in.
https://fortune.com/2020/09/27/donald-trump-self-hypnotism-politics/
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In order to have a fighting chance against the Democrats, not only does the GOP base need to be united behind a candidate, but a significant percentage on swing voters need to be aswell
The GOP is divided going into 2024 and Trump is very unpopular with independent voters. I'm not saying that DeSantis or that guy whose's name I can't pronounce will change any dynamics. But there chances might, and i mean might, be better than Trump's as his deep unpopularity is baked into the electorate. I think Jan 6th really hurt him with swing voters
J6 was orchestrated by the left. Independents who didn't vote for him before aren't going to vote for him in '24. What is hurting him now is him going after a conservative and acting like a schoolyard bully and in turn he's losing part of his base. In essence he's already splitting the party just like he did with Cruz running. Only this time he's going after someone that hasn't even announced he's running; that's a bit unhinged and wreaks of jealousy and desperation.
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Did you eat paint chips when you were a kid? @MeshugeMikey
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i know all the REACTIONS......and :Time to refill your meds: means i drew blood
Actually, it means I'm questioning your mental health.
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of course you are sweetie....its the only defense you can possibly scoop out of that thin air in your HEAD
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yoiruetterly taken with THE trumps because thier craziness resonates with your very own,,HO HUM
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bele predicts:
"It is unfortunate as there is no pathway to victory for Trump; the leftists will see to it."
OK. If I'm to accept this, I need you to answer this:
If the leftists have the power to block any "pathway to victory" for Mr. Trump, what in heaven's name makes you believe they're going to OPEN that pathway for another candidate such as Mr. DeSantis?
If they can prevent the most popular Republican from winning, why would they not prevent every other possible candidate from winning, as well?
@Fishrrman I never said that they wouldn't block a pathway to victory for another candidate. Of course they will. They're going after DeSantis right now along with Trump. Trump is helping them to get rid of a true conservative now rather than later. As you know and as I continue to say; the GOP and RNC have done nothing to ensure a fair election. Nothing has changed.
They are never going to allow Trump to be re-elected. He's still facing charges. They aren't done with him yet. Just my opinion.
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BULLSEYE
i know all the REACTIONS......and :Time to refill your meds: means i drew blood
oh.......... that was rich... yes
a trained hypnotist tells you that trump knows hypnotism and you lay down some inane middle school smack||
you didnt mention THE CRAYONS???
(https://i.imgur.com/FN7AHID.gif)
time will eventually tell the WHOLE TALE of DONNA TWUMP..and you'll shake your head in disbelief....trying fo determine how you were so taken in.
https://fortune.com/2020/09/27/donald-trump-self-hypnotism-politics/
@MeshugeMikey I find this post rather offensive -- pitchforcks at Trump with blood coming out??? Really?
You are way out of line!!!!
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of course you are sweetie....its the only defense you can possibly scoop out of that thin air in your HEAD
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yoiruetterly taken with THE trumps because thier craziness resonates with your very own,,HO HUM
@Meshuge Mikey stop derailing the threads. This is a debate forum where we exchange our opinions with words, not cartoons.
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What is hurting him now is him going after a conservative and acting like a schoolyard bully and in turn he's losing part of his base.
No, Trump is not acting like a "schoolyard bully". He is strategically and effectively preventing Ronny from rewriting his hagiography while hiding behind the "I'm not a candidate" nonsense.
Neither is Trump losing his base. And, you know it.
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@Meshuge Mikey stop derailing the threads. This is a debate forum where we exchange our opinions with words, not cartoons.
@MeshugeMikey
I have to agree..please stop all these *memes*...on every thread you post on..
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No, Trump is not acting like a "schoolyard bully". He is strategically and effectively preventing Ronny from rewriting his hagiography while hiding behind the "I'm not a candidate" bullshit.
Neither is Trump losing his base. And, you know it.
DeSantis isn't a candidate and you know it. As for Trump losing his base, do you really think that going after a conservative isn't going to have a negative effect? That is why I won't be voting for him. I know several others that won't be either and apparently there are those in here that won't be voting for him again either. I doubt that we are just a select few.
You know that I think Trump made a great president and I have no doubts that the election was stolen. I will only vote for someone who is a conservative and Trump going after one of the most conservative governors we have just doesn't sit well. Secondly, Trump going after DeSantis is merely helping the DEMS getting rid of DeSantis -- they aren't worried about Trump @Right_in_Virginia. They stole an election once.
Perhaps if the GOP would stand united (Trump included) and work on election integrity they just might have a chance.
You may see it as being strategic, but he's doing the same thing he did in '16 to Cruz. It split the GOP base. What makes you think that the same thing isn't happening?
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J6 was orchestrated by the left.
This, along with "Trump was robbed" is why the GOP will continue to lose elections
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This, along with "Trump was robbed" is why the GOP will continue to lose elections
So, explain how that makes the GOP lose elections??? The truth is the truth. SCOTUS looked the other way. Our DOJ is corrupt.
Trump was a good president. I have not changed my mind about him as a president. Sure there are things that he did that I take issue with, but every president has their flaws. He had us pointed in a positive direction.
What I object to is him going after a conservative which goes against conservatism thriving and taking hold which I believe is much needed in '24 in order for our Republic to survive. I also object to him resorting back to bullying. We don't need a repeat of '16. We need a unified GOP and a unified GOP base. That's just for starters. We desperately need a solid push to ensure fair elections.
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“And yet, when you accuse Donald Trump of being a criminal, even with all the evidence in the world,
What evidence? The 'evidence' screams political hit jobs.
Exactly!
A lot of poo thrown at the glass makes for bad optics, but none of it stuck.
Headlines above the fold, retractions in the legal notices.
Seven years of serious excavation, including spying on his campaign using every tool they DOJ et al has, and they have yet to come up with anything of substance.
I may have differences with Trump's handling of COVID and the expansion of the National Debt, but I don't see him as a criminal, certainly nowhere near the same weight class as the Biden Syndicate, and I do not question his patriotism, although of late I think his policies misguided somewhat (shining cities, etc.)
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As for Trump losing his base, do you really think that going after a conservative isn't going to have a negative effect?
I don't think Tumpy will lose much of his base. But I DO think his base is extremely stratified. Ossified. And that means he has to win with what he has. Which he cannot do. He will find it damn hard attracting new suckers - Oops, I mean fans.
DeSantis, however, does not have the strong negatives against him in Conservatives, in the Party, nor in independents. If he throws his hat in the ring, he has a good chance to unite a winning coalition.
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Because they're still confused about the difference between pissing off libs/progs and actually getting stuff done.
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No, actually, they are just willing to ignore the evidence of their senses in order to support a very flawed leader.
And yet, the truth is that Trump is nowhere near as bad as he's made out to be by Democrats and by the weirdos at The Lincoln Project.
He needs to stand on his own virtues and also: answer for his shortcomings. That is why we have primaries and elections.
I would like to see him embrace that challenge rather than lash out at prospective challengers in his own party.
Let's see if he can.
All leaders are flawed, none is perfect. Once you get past the first five presidents, the Republic was wandering off track.
I agree, that it seems counterproductive to squabble within the GOP, especially the Trump vs DeSantis thing. I could see where an alliance between the two would have far more potential for America's future, even an agreement to disagree about fine points of policy.
Lately, the 'shining cities' bit and this needless squabble are off-putting examples of what i regard as unforced errors on Trump's part.
He should settle the legal matters and bring up keeping the supply chain going, especially energy independence (even export), and re-filing the SPR for the future. Trump sufficiently intimidated our enemies so that a lot of the crap going on in the world would likely not have happened on his watch had the 2020 election been conducted fairly. The margin in the five key states given to Biden was altogether only about 200,000 votes, and in some less than 20,000. That, in a populous state is a relatively easy cheat (even though, imho, Biden had a lot of gap to close before he pulled ahead).
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I agree, that it seems counterproductive to squabble within the GOP, especially the Trump vs DeSantis thing. I could see where an alliance between the two would have far more potential for America's future, even an agreement to disagree about fine points of policy.
Impossible. Big government versus small government is not a fine point. It is a fundamental and immovable difference.
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Impossible. Big government versus small government is not a fine point. It is a fundamental and immovable difference.
Yeah, I'm with you on that. The stupid Freedom cities are never going to happen, but it shows where his mind is. Same with his ideas for solving homelessness and addiction in blue cities. I think there's a serious chance that he'd agree to significant additional social programs/handouts simply to become more popular. At the same time, he'll absolutely squash any attempt to fix SS or Medicare. And why would he? He'll be out of office when SS runs out, so he figures someone else will get the blame.
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Because they're still confused about the difference between pissing off libs/progs and actually getting stuff done.
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Yeah, I'm with you on that. The stupid Freedom cities are never going to happen, but it shows where his mind is. Same with his ideas for solving homelessness and addiction in blue cities. I think there's a serious chance that he'd agree to significant additional social programs/handouts simply to become more popular. At the same time, he'll absolutely squash any attempt to fix SS or Medicare. And why would he? He'll be out of office when SS runs out, so he figures someone else will get the blame.
This is a guy who’s blasted any cuts to the low hanging fruit boondoggle called ethanol subsidies. And who has voice support for some type of government run healthcare in the not so distant past.
Why wouldn’t he add social programs to an already strained budget
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I don't think Tumpy will lose much of his base. But I DO think his base is extremely stratified. Ossified. And that means he has to win with what he has. Which he cannot do. He will find it damn hard attracting new suckers - Oops, I mean fans.
DeSantis, however, does not have the strong negatives against him in Conservatives, in the Party, nor in independents. If he throws his hat in the ring, he has a good chance to unite a winning coalition.
Any Republican has the opportunity to appeal to people beyond the entrenched MAGA base
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Yeah, I'm with you on that. The stupid Freedom cities are never going to happen, but it shows where his mind is. Same with his ideas for solving homelessness and addiction in blue cities. I think there's a serious chance that he'd agree to significant additional social programs/handouts simply to become more popular. At the same time, he'll absolutely squash any attempt to fix SS or Medicare. And why would he? He'll be out of office when SS runs out, so he figures someone else will get the blame.
He's always been big government... big show... It's how he thinks.
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Any Republican has the opportunity to appeal to people beyond the entrenched MAGA base
Except in that he should be Conservative - Conservatives will not fully support a moderate or liberal candidate... And that's the formula required for the Reagan Coalition.
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Loyalty?
Maybe one of the general traits I hate most in humans is the insistence of entitlement.
And Trump's screaming for this makes me more disgusted with him by the day. His recent hard left turn politically tells me deserves NOTHING from Conservatives.
Loyalty?..... You'll get none from me, orange guy.
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Becasue we know that that Democrats, the DOJ, and FBI were out to get him before he was sworn in.
That he got burned by the Democrats, the press, and a complacent GOP.That 2020 was stolen (basic Excel and stats are pretty basic).That both impeachments were crap.
And we are not going to forget it.
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Becasue we know that that Democrats, the DOJ, and FBI were out to get him before he was sworn in.
That he got burned by the Democrats, the press, and a complacent GOP.That 2020 was stolen (basic Excel and stats are pretty basic).That both impeachments were crap.
And we are not going to forget it.
Welcome to The Briefing Room forum @Widget Jr Yes, the election was stolen. I get that. However, right now Trump is going after a very popular and conservative governor. That's wrong on all counts. So wrong, that I won't vote for him.
Conservatism is the way forward and if conservatism doesn't win in '24 our Republic is over.
BTW the GOP and the RNC aren't doing much to ensure election integrity. So, what's to prevent another election from being stolen? Instead of Trump rehashing what was done to him, he needs to convey to his base that they need to become involved at their local precincts.
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As long as republican candidates embrace the “Trump was robbed” meme, expect to lose more elections.
Hillary Clinton is going to go to her grave insisting that the 2016 election was stolen from her. But she’s not out there promoting candidates for office that publicly state that. Only the GOP seems to be that dumb.
“Election deniers” was used with devastating effect in 2022 along with “ MAGA Republicans.” Trump is very toxic to the voting public.
That does not mean that I think there should be a lot of things in our election process that need to be changed. And January 6 is always going to haunt Trump and his supporters with the public at large.
The Democrats are winning not because the public thinks their ideas are great. They just look at the alternative. A year or two ago when Macron won reelection in France even though the French people were dissatisfied with conditions in France and he had a 30 some percent job approval rating, I warned that that could be repeated here in our presidential election.
The 2022 midterms should have been a red wave. I am sick of watching the Democrats win simply by hanging Trump in front of the voting public. Watch at some point more and more republican candidates try to distance themselves from him
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Maybe the GOP should pass a rule prohibiting Democrats from running in Republican primaries. That would eliminate Trump right there.
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The 2022 midterms should have been a red wave. I am sick of watching the Democrats win simply by hanging Trump in front of the voting public.
Can you imagine the fun the democrats would have hanging DeSantis's six week abortion ban, the state deciding what you can read, the fight with Mickey Mouse and insistance you work until 70 for higher Medicare premiums in front of voters?
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Becasue we know that that Democrats, the DOJ, and FBI were out to get him before he was sworn in.
That he got burned by the Democrats, the press, and a complacent GOP.That 2020 was stolen (basic Excel and stats are pretty basic).That both impeachments were crap.
And we are not going to forget it.
So how is attacking a popular...successful Conservative governor going to remedy any of that?
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I found who I may vote for in 2024
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CUfRwYcaL-k
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Can you imagine the fun the democrats would have hanging DeSantis's six week abortion ban, the state deciding what you can read, the fight with Mickey Mouse and insistance you work until 70 for higher Medicare premiums in front of voters?
Can you imagine the fun the DEMS are going to have blaming Trump for COVID, a crisis at our border, failure in Afghanistan and a failed economy?? (Psss.... they're already doing it).
I happen to like DeSantis's six week abortion ban, I defend his fight with Mickey and Minnie and I have not hear him say anything about insisting people work until their 70.
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Can you imagine the fun the DEMS are going to have blaming Trump for COVID, a crisis at our border, failure in Afghanistan and a failed economy?? (Psss.... they're already doing it).
I would add January 6 to that. I just saw a commercial on YouTube from the DNC that are painting Joe Biden as the optimistic defender of democracy and freedom and it contain footage from January 6
It is my opinion that the events of January 6 probably damaged Donald Trump with the electorate permanently
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Can you imagine the fun the democrats would have hanging DeSantis's six week abortion ban, the state deciding what you can read, the fight with Mickey Mouse and insistance you work until 70 for higher Medicare premiums in front of voters?
Can you imagine all the Conservatives shouting approval and rushing to help?
Well sure you can, which is why you're trying to Tump him down.... :whistle:
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I found who I may vote for in 2024
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CUfRwYcaL-k
Singing-- Gloria!
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Singing Gloria!
Plus, she’s easy on the eyes
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Plus, she’s easy on the eyes
That and articulate, intelligent, knowledgeable. We need one of her here.
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That and articulate, intelligent, knowledgeable. We need one of her here.
Hell, I would support Biden’s border policy if that what was coming into the country
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Can you imagine all the Conservatives shouting approval and rushing to help?
Well sure you can, which is why you're trying to Tump him down.... :whistle:
And once again we're reminded that RiV isn't conservative.
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Can you imagine the fun the DEMS are going to have blaming Trump for COVID, a crisis at our border, failure in Afghanistan and a failed economy??
I don't have to imagine it @libertybele ---- The democrats are already trying the anti-covid strategy against Trump ---- as are a dozen or so anti-Trumps on this forum. It's destined to flop. Trump and his team have the receipts and are ready to roll. In fact, the governor of the "free state of Florida" may regret painting himself into the Covid corner, such as he has, especially if/when the seven Republican governors who managed truly free states throughout the pandemic have a moment before the cameras.
The democrats are also already tying to pin the current invasion at our boders on Trump ----- another strategy that's already failed. Granted, President Trump never sent a plane from Washington to Texas to scoop up illegals and dump them on Martha's Vineyard, but surely he gets some credit for masterminding agreements with Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras to keep the invaders out of our country in the first place. I could go on, but you know this drill well.
Blaming Trump for the humiliation in Afghanistan and a bad economy is such premier desperation that I hope the democrats continue on this road.
I happen to like DeSantis's six week abortion ban, I defend his fight with Mickey and Minnie and I have not hear him say anything about insisting people work until their 70.
I'm happy you're pleased with what the governor is doing in Florida. But, neither a six week abortion ban or punishing Mickey Mouse for exercising First Amendment rights is going to play well on the national stage. The DeSantis Florida blueprint for America is looking a little less free.
Lastly, DeSantis's Congressional voting records are the genesis of his raising the retirement age to 70 and cutting Medicare (Probably one of the reasons he erased the Congressional years from his revised hagiography.)
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I don't have to imagine it @libertybele ---- The democrats are already trying the anti-covid strategy against Trump ---- as are a dozen or so anti-Trumps on this forum. It's destined to flop. Trump and his team have the receipts and are ready to roll. In fact, the governor of the "free state of Florida" may regret painting himself into the Covid corner, such as he has, especially if/when the seven Republican governors who managed truly free states throughout the pandemic have a moment before the cameras.
The democrats are also already tying to pin the current invasion at our boders on Trump ----- another strategy that's already failed. Granted, President Trump never sent a plane from Washington to Texas to scoop up illegals and dump them on Martha's Vineyard, but surely he gets some credit for masterminding agreements with Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras to keep the invaders out of our country in the first place. I could go on, but you know this drill well.
Blaming Trump for the humiliation in Afghanistan and a bad economy is such premier desperation that I hope the democrats continue on this road.
I'm happy you're pleased with what the governor is doing in Florida. But, neither a six week abortion ban or punishing Mickey Mouse for exercising First Amendment rights is going to play well on the national stage. The DeSantis Florida blueprint for America is looking a little less free.
Lastly, DeSantis's Congressional voting records are the genesis of his raising the retirement age to 70 and cutting Medicare (Probably one of the reasons he erased the Congressional years from his revised hagiography.)
@Right_in_Virginia yes I realize that the DEMS have already blamed Trump for everything that Brandon does wrong, I get that. However, that only feeds the mouths of those that already hated Trump and those on the fence won't jump on the Trump train.
I listened to Travis and Sexton today -- the polls in Nevada show Trump losing to Biden and DeSantis overall winning the Independent vote. I don't rely much on polls, but consider that Trump doesn't have the Independent vote the left continued smearing obviously won't help. I still believe that they will do everything to keep him from running again, then who does the GOP have???
Assuming that DeSantis runs and Trump, the GOPe and the DEMS destroy DeSantis, the Republicans will have no one. Nikki Haley or Hutchison just aren't strong candidates, nor are they conservatives.
Time for Trump to pass on the MAGA torch to a conservative and right now, he's destroying the one true conservative that this country has. Secondly, Trump's age is a concerning factor as well.
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@Right_in_Virginia yes I realize that the DEMS have already blamed Trump for everything that Brandon does wrong, I get that. However, that only feeds the mouths of those that already hated Trump and those on the fence won't jump on the Trump train.
I listened to Travis and Sexton today -- the polls in Nevada show Trump losing to Biden and DeSantis overall winning the Independent vote. I don't rely much on polls, but consider that Trump doesn't have the Independent vote the left continued smearing obviously won't help. I still believe that they will do everything to keep him from running again, then who does the GOP have???
Assuming that DeSantis runs and Trump, the GOPe and the DEMS destroy DeSantis, the Republicans will have no one. Nikki Haley or Hutchison just aren't strong candidates, nor are they conservatives.
Time for Trump to pass on the MAGA torch to a conservative and right now, he's destroying the one true conservative that this country has. Secondly, Trump's age is a concerning factor as well.
Biden’s team is already putting the six week abortion ban around the neck of Ron DeSantis and election denier and January 6 around the neck of Donald Trump. Both issues have worked very well for the Democrats. This is why I’ve written off the 2024 presidential election for the GOP and believe the focus needs to be on down ticket races
I’m guessing that both issues were focus grouped. Conservatives are gonna have a lot of work to do in the coming years.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Time for Trump to pass on the MAGA torch to a conservative and right now, he's destroying the one true conservative that this country has.
It is time for Trump to steer this ship again @libertybele
Of those reaching for the keys to the Oval Office, next in line for the MAGA scepter is Vivek Ramaswamy in 2028.
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It is time for Trump to steer this ship again @libertybele
Of those reaching for the keys to the Oval Office, next in line for the MAGA scepter is Vivek Ramaswamy in 2028.
Mark my words @Right_in_Virginia the leftists/globalists/marxist will never let Trump near the oval office again. Conservatives lose in '24 and we lose our Republic completely.
DeSantis still hasn't announced and he's being smeared. I'm still of the opinion he won't run. So .... the question remains then, what true conservative is out there that will step up and run in '24??
As I pointed out before, neither of Ramaswamy's parents were born in this country, apparently you are ok with that?
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DeSantis still hasn't announced and he's being smeared.
*****rollingeyes*****
Desantis is not being "smeared" @libertybele
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It is time for Trump to steer this ship again @libertybele
Of those reaching for the keys to the Oval Office, next in line for the MAGA scepter is Vivek Ramaswamy in 2028.
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Yeah, cause he wasn’t quite able to sink it the first time around. But mark his words, he’ll sink it if he gets another chance.
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*****rollingeyes*****
Desantis is not being "smeared" @libertybele
Like I said before, the truth simply isn't in you.
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@Meshuge Mikey stop derailing the threads. This is a debate forum where we exchange our opinions with words, not cartoons.
its no more out of line........than hes ever been.
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@Meshuge Mikey stop derailing the threads. This is a debate forum where we exchange our opinions with words, not cartoons.
the unmistakable concepts in my images trump a WHOLE LOTSSA WORD S
have you ever heard that old saw...A Pictures worth a thousands words??
SOMETIMES it IS
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the unmistakable concepts in my images trump a WHOLE LOTSSA WORD S
have you ever heard that old saw...A Pictures worth a thousands words??
SOMETIMES it IS
I know another saying......
"Sometimes the best things are left unsaid"
Think about that a few moments.
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*****rollingeyes*****
Desantis is not being "smeared" @libertybele
I consider Trump's lies and accusations about DeSantis smearing.
Back to Ramsamsway, so you are ok with him running with neither of his parents being born here?
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GOP voters are loyal to Trump because he is a fighter who lives for the fight ... for what, against whom, outcomes don't matter ... he's willing to take on all comers.
It's like a human version of a shark feeding frenzy ... there's figurative blood in the political waters, and many people can't resist joining in.
People are angry. They want change. They can't agree what that change should look like. In the meantime, they can unite in their anger against the status quo.
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GOP voters are loyal to Trump because he is a fighter who lives for the fight
I have never understood this particular aspect of the Tumpian theme.
And I mean that honestly.
He's a loudmouth, full of bluster alright...
And he gets in cat fights with the media, sure.
But y'all say, as if it is impressive, an actual fighter?
Y'all don't have the same definition for the word, I am pretty sure.
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I have never understood this particular aspect of the Tumpian theme.
And I mean that honestly.
He's a loudmouth, full of bluster alright...
And he gets in cat fights with the media, sure.
But y'all say, as if it is impressive, an actual fighter?
Y'all don't have the same definition for the word, I am pretty sure.
Maybe so, but the biggest problem with claiming that Trump is a fighter is that his conversion rate is pitiful - he fails to make much progress as a result of the fights he picks, other than generating a lot of online commentary from libs/progs.
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Maybe so, but the biggest problem with claiming that Trump is a fighter is that his conversion rate is pitiful - he fails to make much progress as a result of the fights he picks, other than generating a lot of online commentary from libs/progs.
Picking battles with conservatives and playing nice with the liberals will get him nowhere.
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Picking battles with conservatives and playing nice with the liberals will get him nowhere.
That's the other problem that's cropping up now.
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Like I said before, the truth simply isn't in you.
You can't handle the truth.
Desantis is not being "smeared", he's being exposed.
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Picking battles with conservatives and playing nice with the liberals will get him nowhere.
It is an issue he will need to overcome to win, I would think.
Yet.....
In 2016 he did this same thing.
(Ugly Carli, Lyin' Ted, Little Marco, etc...)
Who the heck knows?
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Picking battles with conservatives
Desantis has chosen this battle. Please, stop faulting Trump for meeting him in the combat zone. @libertybele
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Desantis has chosen this battle. Please, stop faulting Trump for meeting him in the combat zone. @libertybele
???? That's a crock of crappola. Please explain how DeSantis picked this battle? Seriously? Trump attacked DeSantis and threatened him if he ran. Trump is afraid of DeSantis. He hasn't even declared he's running and Trump has gone after him.
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It is an issue he will need to overcome to win, I would think.
Yet.....
In 2016 he did this same thing.
(Ugly Carli, Lyin' Ted, Little Marco, etc...)
Who the heck knows?
This isn’t 2016. Trump and his MAGA movement has been successfully defined by the opposition and both are extremely unpopular with voters
Trump attacking other Republicans like he is may work to their advantage. It’ll allow those Republicans to separate themselves from Trump’s MAGAs in the eyes of the voters
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I'll vote for him if he is the nominee, as he may have been the toughest on illegal immigration since Eisenhower (see Operation Wetback, for Ike's time in office).
I liked his push to make us energy independent as well.
Lots to criticize with all who have held the office, minus the founders, and maybe Silent Cal.
I do wish that one of our modern presidents took a serious look at the debt.
There will come a day when no matter who we elect, it may be too late, if the debt isn't addressed.
Trump supporters are loyal, and that could be a problem no one has addressed yet.
What I mean to say is, Trump does have a habit of offending people.
What happens if he offends the loyal following?
So far he hasn't, but what if he says something about Rural America, Gun owners, Christians etc?
I am not saying all who are in the above are Trump followers, but Trump followers are a lot of these.
Heck, I fit into all of the above.
He is liable to say anything, at any time.
If he were to lose MAGA, would there be enough votes out there to re-elect him?
MAGA can't t do it alone, but it can't be done without them.
It's a 2 way street.
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You can't handle the truth.
Desantis is not being "smeared", he's being exposed.
Yeah... Just like Cruz was 'exposed'. *****rollingeyes***** **nononono*
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???? That's a crock of crappola. Please explain how DeSantis picked this battle? Seriously?
Umm....you do know Desantis wants to politically annihilate President Trump, do you not? In many cultures, including ours, this is choosing to do battle. This is all Ronny's choice. @libertybele
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Desantis has chosen this battle. Please, stop faulting Trump for meeting him in the combat zone. @libertybele
Wow. The bald-faced lies just keep coming and coming, like some sort of a broken water main.
Trump started the fight by being his typical childish, paranoid self, and started throwing smears and insults because he thought he'd scare DeSantis off of running.
Here's the thing that's even funnier than your propensity for lying: the more pro-Trump lies you tell, the less the rest of us are willing to consider Trump as a viable candidate. Not only are you not persuading anyone to support Trump who doesn't currently belong to his cult of personality, you are, in fact, convincing some undecideds that Trump is not worth supporting.
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You can't handle the truth.
Desantis is not being "smeared", he's being exposed.
Being exposed as a close-to-conservative leader who doesn't kow-tow to liberals and who can actually get things done. Unlike Mr. Trump, whose primary skill is getting his fellow libs' undies in a twist without actually getting anything productive done with the resulting anger.
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Trump started the fight by being his typical childish, paranoid self, and started throwing smears and insults because he thought he'd scare DeSantis off of running.
Nope. All Trump has and is doing is exposing the actual Desantis hagiography, rather than accepting the one currently available in the fiction section of a bookstore near you.
Here's the thing that's even funnier than your propensity for lying
You're lying, not me. And, you know it.
Not only are you not persuading anyone to support Trump who doesn't currently belong to his cult of personality, you are, in fact, convincing some undecideds that Trump is not worth supporting.
Whatever helps you sleep nights. 88devil
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Being exposed as a close-to-conservative leader who doesn't kow-tow to liberals and who can actually get things done. Unlike Mr. Trump, whose primary skill is getting his fellow libs' undies in a twist without actually getting anything productive done with the resulting anger.
oh my word you SAID IT!! my trump thery is that the whole 2016 election was based on a lie...form the left and the right ....who didnt know..... how badly they were about to be TORCHED by THE PARTY DESTROYER.
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BTW LITTLE STEVIE BANNON has stated that hes a LENINIST!!
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Mr. Trump, whose primary skill is getting his fellow libs' undies in a twist without actually getting anything productive done
Other than peace, prosperity, security, and freedom, of course.
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Nope. All Trump has and is doing is exposing the actual Desantis hagiography, rather than accepting the one currently available in the fiction section of a bookstore near you.
You're lying, not me. And, you know it.
Whatever helps you sleep nights. 88devil
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Trump was and is a disaster. He presided over one of the biggest increases in federal debt ever, without a moment's hesitation, and without any valid basis for it, other than that his liberal friends wanted it, and went along without a peep over Fauci and his Dr. Mengele style medical fascism.
And now he's threatening to do exactly the same thing if he gets re-elected.
And all the Trumpistas just lap it up.
The fact is, the only good things that actually got done in his adminstration were largely the results of someone else's efforts. The Supreme Court nominees were the brainchild of McConnell and the Federalist Society, not Donald J. Trump. The middle east agreements were the efforts of Kushner, not Donald J. Trump. The 2017 tax cuts - to the extent those could be considered good things in the overall scheme of things - were the brainchild of Congressional republicans, not Donald J. Trump. Etc, etc, etc.
Here's the relevant comparison between Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan: Reagan said one could get a lot accomplished so long as one doesn't care who gets the credit; Donald Trump just wants the credit, and doesn't much care what actually gets accomplished.
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Trump was and is a disaster
Only to those who disagree with peace, prosperity, security and freedom.
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oh my word you SAID IT!! my trump thery is that the whole 2016 election was based on a lie...form the left and the right ....who didnt know..... how badly they were about to be TORCHED by THE PARTY DESTROYER.
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BTW LITTLE STEVIE BANNON has stated that hes a LENINIST!!
Thinking back over 2016, the main reason libs/dems were so angry with Trump is that he was a former ally of theirs who, for his own personal aggrandizement, turned his back on them and ran as a nominal republican against Hillary because he didn't want to wait around for "his turn" at the presidency after she was finished with it.
Exactly what Bloomberg did with the NYC mayoralty in 2001: he didn't want to have to wait his turn behind the long line of democrats who had prior-in-time claims on their party's nomination for Mayor, so he re-registered as a republican, and took advantage of the fact that the NYC republicans were so desperate to have a candidate, any candidate, who could succeed Giuliani, that they accepted Bloomberg as their candidate without doing any of the careful consideration of his actual preferred policy predilections. The fact that he then won ticked off a lot of NYC democrats, and Bloomberg didn't finally win them over until he started letting his liberal roots show again.
Trump did more or less the same thing in 2016: he didn't want to have to wait behind Clinton, and perhaps some of the other DNC top-tiers, like Ms. Obama, for his shot at the presidency, so entered the republican primary and went head to head against Clinton. The ultimate "sin" he committed against his liberal brethren was actually winning, thereby depriving Clinton of the chance to become the first female U.S. president, which would have locked in her place in history, no matter how disastrous her policies would have turned out to be.
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Here's the relevant comparison between Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan: Reagan said one could get a lot accomplished so long as one doesn't care who gets the credit; Donald Trump just wants the credit, and doesn't much care what actually gets accomplished.
Man, oh man! Is that ever the truth!
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If he were to lose MAGA, would there be enough votes out there to re-elect him?
MAGA can't t do it alone, but it can't be done without them.
It's a 2 way street.
Yup
I guess I’m just tired of losing elections with the name Trump being tied to the GOP. And as long as the Democrats are able to do that, expect more election losses.
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Man, oh man! Is that ever the truth!
:beer:
And Reagan's "accomplishments" are:
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The last time Trump pizzed off his following his Mother sent him to Military School.
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Here's the relevant comparison between Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan: Reagan said one could get a lot accomplished so long as one doesn't care who gets the credit; Donald Trump just wants the credit, and doesn't much care what actually gets accomplished.
QFT
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Yup
I guess I’m just tired of losing elections with the name Trump being tied to the GOP. And as long as the Democrats are able to do that, expect more election losses.
I also fear that if Trump is not the nominee, will MAGA vote for the one who is?
Can the other nominee win without MAGA?
I don't like what I am thinking here.
It may bring the White House back to the Democrats if we can't pull this thing together somehow, whether that nominee is Trump or someone else.
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I also fear that if Trump is not the nominee, will MAGA vote for the one who is?
Can the other nominee win without MAGA?
Oh the irony if that were to happen.
Yes...IMO...a Conservative Republican can win without the Cult of Trump.
I don't like what I am thinking here.
It may bring the White House back to the Democrats if we can't pull this thing together somehow, whether that nominee is Trump or someone else.
As long as Trump insists on a circular firing squad and refuses to focus on the Biden's and the DNC Biden may well return for a second term.
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I also fear that if Trump is not the nominee, will MAGA vote for the one who is?
Can the other nominee win without MAGA?
I don't like what I am thinking here.
It may bring the White House back to the Democrats if we can't pull this thing together somehow, whether that nominee is Trump or someone else.
That's why it's important to vote down ticket, leave the President slot BLANK or Write-In. At least when Trump repeats his failure against a basement dwelling, pedophile whose wife wants to be another Edith Wilson, we can put shackles on him/her not unlike the Conservatives put on McCarthy (is there any doubt that ol Kevin wouldn't have already given bidet everything he wanted without those pesky restrictions from HFC)?
24 is LOST with Trump the nominee.
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That's why it's important to vote down ticket, leave the President slot BLANK or Write-In. At least when Trump repeats his failure against a basement dwelling, pedophile whose wife wants to be another Edith Wilson, we can put shackles on him/her not unlike the Conservatives put on McCarthy (is there any doubt that ol Kevin wouldn't have already given bidet everything he wanted without those pesky restrictions from HFC)?
24 is LOST with Trump the nominee.
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That's why it's important to vote down ticket, leave the President slot BLANK or Write-In. At least when Trump repeats his failure against a basement dwelling, pedophile whose wife wants to be another Edith Wilson, we can put shackles on him/her not unlike the Conservatives put on McCarthy (is there any doubt that ol Kevin wouldn't have already given bidet everything he wanted without those pesky restrictions from HFC)?
24 is LOST with Trump the nominee.
I can't think of a president in our lifetimes that was an actual deficit hawk.
A lot have talked about it.
Silent Cal was the last president to actually reduce the debt.
Fair point, that Congress needs to do their part, but all of these guys have had veto pins, and none have used them where the runaway spending is concerned.
I think I'll grab a shiner or 2 and mull this over tonight.
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My go to @GrouchoTex Someone brought a 12 pack of Troy Aikman '8' beer here over a month ago. I'm doing beer can chicken with that spiel.
Probst :beer:
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My go to @GrouchoTex Someone brought a 12 pack of Troy Aikman '8' beer here over a month ago. I'm doing beer can chicken with that spiel.
Probst :beer:
Aikman Beer?
Prosit
Good Gawd, I hope it doesn't cause the Chickens to taste "fowl"...
:cool:
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Yes...IMO...a Conservative Republican can win without the Cult of Trump.
Just ask President Cruz.
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DeSantis is not naive enough to think the Republican Party could come after him, learning from said his AG, Cruz.
You Trumpers have already denied America the chance to fix this $hit in 16. I hope when Trump loses in 24 you and your ilk will quietly slip off into the dustbin of History and let Adults take care of this.
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Cruz became a CULT DEVOTEE a True Trump Believer
after nailing THE DONNY to the wall.
CRUZ really isnt
any kind of MAN AT ALL
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As long as Trump insists on a circular firing squad and refuses to focus on the Biden's and the DNC Biden.
If you paid even a little attention @txradioguy you would know that at every rally, during every speech, in every interview Biden is Trump's target.
DeSantis has been relegated to just another challenger down in the polls --- and only when Trump talks about how well MAGA is doing ---- rarely even mentioning RDS by name.
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BS
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You Trumpers have already denied America the chance to fix this $hit in 16.
Fix what? Until Trump gave voice to the corruption, globalism, and uniparty polices hurting this country you didn't even know they existed. "Principled conservatives" have been asleep at the switch for 35 years facilitating all this "shit" to grow wild.
I hope when Trump loses in 24 you and your ilk will quietly slip off into the dustbin of History and let Adults take care of this.
2024 will be the last harrah for legacy Republicans and legacy "conservatives". Count on this.
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DeSantis is not naive enough to think the Republican Party could come after him, learning from said his AG, Cruz.
You Trumpers have already denied America the chance to fix this $hit in 16. I hope when Trump loses in 24 you and your ilk will quietly slip off into the dustbin of History and let Adults take care of this.
As of now, it appears that no Republican can win the nomination without MAGA voters but MAGA candidates can’t win general elections
What a mess
We saw what happens to MAGA candidates in the 2022 midterms. Just wait what happens when Trump himself is on the ballot
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More BS @Right_in_Virginia Cruz campaigned on the Debt/Deficit AND Immigration in 16, in that order. Trump stole from Cruz only what he could use, Immigration.
If I wasn't such a 'Free Speech' advocate on TBR I would beg the Owner to dump you *
* Not that it would do any good.
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As of now, it appears that no Republican can win the nomination without MAGA voters but MAGA candidates can’t win general elections
What a mess
We saw what happens to MAGA candidates in the 2022 midterms. Just wait what happens when Trump himself is on the ballot
This is what happens when the Coalition that binds us is held up in derision. Divisiveness.
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Umm....you do know Desantis wants to politically annihilate President Trump, do you not? In many cultures, including ours, this is choosing to do battle. This is all Ronny's choice. @libertybele
???? Again, a crock of bull crappola. I don't know where you've heard that.
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???? Again, a crock of bull crappola. I don't know where you've heard that.
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Umm....you do know Desantis wants to politically annihilate President Trump, do you not? In many cultures, including ours, this is choosing to do battle. This is all Ronny's choice. @libertybele
:mauslaff:
More pathetic lies. Not even a citation to a questionable article, just a bald-faced lie.
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:mauslaff:
More pathetic lies. Not even a citation to a questionable article, just a bald-faced lie.
I really dislike the "you do know that...." tactic in discussions when the "that" hasn't been proven or even argued. It's basically "when did you stop beating your wife."
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I really dislike the "you do know that...." Tactic in discussions when the "that" hasn't been proven or even argued. It's basically "when did you stop beating your wife.
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I really dislike the "you do know that...." Tactic in discussions when the "that" hasn't been proven or even argued. It's basically "when did you stop beating your wife.
I have stepped away a few days arguing with these silly willys. If they won't respond or address the Freedom City Trump positon debacle, I know they are not serious about rationally discussing the matter. That white elephant in the room won't leave until he and they do.
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:facepalm:
I'll see your facepalm emoji and raise you (https://i.imgur.com/sLhwqYb.gif)
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More BS @Right_in_Virginia Cruz campaigned on the Debt/Deficit AND Immigration in 16, in that order. Trump stole from Cruz only what he could use, Immigration.
If I wasn't such a 'Free Speech' advocate on TBR I would beg the Owner to dump you *
* Not that it would do any good.
Let's not forget tax reform that Cruz ran on, where a tax return could be filed on a 5 x 8 postcard.
Today, we have 80K more IRS agents.
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I'll see your facepalm emoji and raise you (https://i.imgur.com/sLhwqYb.gif)
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More BS @Right_in_Virginia Cruz campaigned on the Debt/Deficit AND Immigration in 16, in that order. Trump stole from Cruz only what he could use, Immigration.
If I wasn't such a 'Free Speech' advocate on TBR I would beg the Owner to dump you *
* Not that it would do any good.
Stop watching The View.