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Trump to Hold Massive Rally in the Face of Bragg’s Potential Indictment
On Saturday, 45th President Donald Trump will take to Waco, Texas to hold a massive rally of supporters who wish to see him elected to a second term in 2024. The rally takes place as Trump is staring down a potential indictment from Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D).
Trump’s rally will take place in the Waco Regional Airport on March 25th starting at 5 p.m. with doors opening at noon. Registration for the event can be found here.
Like many of his previous rallies, Trump is expected to see a packed house.
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https://dcenquirer.com/trump-to-hold-massive-rally-in-the-face-of-braggs-potential-indictment/
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The fact this fat little DA thumbed his nose at the GOP House subpoena, tells everything you need to know about his interest in the rule of law.
I don't know the logistics of this, but just how does a entity in NYC law enforemcent body arrest a FL resident? NYC cops?
This might end up being the best Keystone Cops episode we've seen in awhile.
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The fact this fat little DA thumbed his nose at the GOP House subpoena, tells everything you need to know about his interest in the rule of law.
I don't know the logistics of this, but just how does a entity in NYC law enforemcent body arrest a FL resident? NYC cops?
Extradition. It's actually very common.
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Extradition. It's actually very common.
I understand extradition. I am trying to envision who and how it happens. NYC cops?... Marshalls?, Dog the Bounty Hunter? :silly:
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The perfect time to arrest Trump would have to be at his speech in Waco. :whistle:
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I understand extradition. I am trying to envision who and how it happens. NYC cops?... Marshalls?, Dog the Bounty Hunter? :silly:
Short answer is that the Governor of NY will contact the Governor of Fla.. Florida law enforcement will then seize and hold that person, and then NY law enforcement will travel to Fla., pick up the person, and then travel back to NY.
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Short answer is that the Governor of NY will contact the Governor of the other state. Law enforcement of that other state will then seize and hold that person, and the extracting state Will have its law enforcement people travel to that state, pick up the person, and then travel back to their own state.
Will the person in question have the opportunity to contest the extradition in Florida prior to being shipped off to NY?
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Short answer is that the Governor of NY will contact the Governor of Fla.. Florida law enforcement will then seize and hold that person, and then NY law enforcement will travel to Fla., pick up the person, and then travel back to NY.
And if that happened it would be political suicide for DeSantis.
This thing is dead in the water before it started.
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Will the person in question have the opportunity to contest the extradition in Florida prior to being shipped off to NY?
Fighting the extradition would be stupid (so therefore plausible for Trump) as it would only delay the process and maybe extend his time in custody when that time should be spent in a courtroom.
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And if that happened it would be political suicide for DeSantis.
This thing is dead in the water before it started.
I don't think so. DeSantis, as governor, is legally bound to follow the law.
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And if that happened it would be political suicide for DeSantis.
This thing is dead in the water before it started.
I believe that extradition is governed, at least in part, by the U.S. Constitution and by federal statute.
Also, there appears to be very limited discretion on the part of a state governor when it comes to extradition:
In a 1987 case, Puerto Rico v. Branstad, the court overruled Dennison, and held that the governor of the asylum state has no discretion in performing his or her duty to extradite, whether that duty arises under the Extradition Clause of the Constitution or under the Extradition Act (18 U.S.C. § 3182), and that a federal court may enforce the governor's duty to return the fugitive to the demanding state. There are only four grounds upon which the governor of the asylum state may deny another state's request for extradition:
the extradition documents facially are not in order;
the person has not been charged with a crime in the demanding state;
the person is not the person named in the extradition documents; or
the person is not a fugitive.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_States
As a result, I rather doubt DeSantis would have much say in the matter.
However, since the Court said that a federal court may enforce the obligation to extradite, DeSantis might take the option of refusing to extradite, and leave it to the federal courts and the U.S. marshals to enforce extradition against Trump.
Depending on how DeSantis plays that, it might lead to an interesting result.
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I don't think so. DeSantis, as governor, is legally bound to follow the law.
Legally bound and degrees of cooperation are two different things.
I can see DeSantis being able to throw 15 levels of beauacracy and legal entanglements to snarl the process.
Also, what level of zeal might the LEO's have in snaring Trump. They can knock three times, walk away, and in the spirit of the law met that obligation.
My point is and was that if it looks like DeSantis is overcooperative, it won't help him politically. Furthermore, DeSantis might counter that since Bragg won't respond to a congressional subpoena on D.A's motive, he can or might say there are circumstantial factors that preclude a surrender. Even via a filed injunction on the extradition filing.
Two sides can fight bull shit frivilous political persecutions.
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Legally bound and degrees of cooperation are two different things.
I can see DeSantis being able to throw 15 levels of beauacracy and legal entanglements to snarl the process.
Also, what level of zeal might the LEO's have in snaring Trump. They can knock three times, walk away, and in the spirit of the law met that obligation.
My point is and was that if it looks like DeSantis is overcooperative, it won't help him politically. Furthermore, DeSantis might counter that since Bragg won't respond to a congressional subpoena on D.A's motive, he can or might say there are circumstantial factors that preclude a surrender. Even via a filed injunction on the extradition filing.
Two sides can fight bull shit frivilous political persecutions.
In which case, DeSantis may simply be best served by refusing to cooperate, and letting the federal courts and the U.S. marshals enforce the extradition request.
It is my understanding that a governor has very little discretion about whether to comply with an extradition request.
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In which case, DeSantis may simply be best served by refusing to cooperate, and letting the federal courts and the U.S. marshals enforce the extradition request.
It is my understanding that a governor has very little discretion about whether to comply with an extradition request.
Which would put RDS in the proverbial rock and a hard place. Any paperwork with his name on it getting DJT back NYC will be damaging campaign fodder in '24.
If that was Trump's intent, he is more politically shrewd than I realized.
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What does RDS facilitating Trump's possible extradition to NY have to do with the subject of this thread?
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What does RDS facilitating Trump's possible extradition to NY have to do with the subject of this thread?
I think the last half of the headline "in the face of" set it off. :shrug:
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Don't worry....
@Right_in_Virginia will have a Rally thread with by-the-second updates as the "Massive Rally" event occurs.
Me? I'll watch Impractical Joker reruns instead and get the same cultural and inspirational value.
I don't know. It might be fun to do "body" count to see how many times the keywords "DeSantis" and "Indictment" are used. :police:
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I don't know. It might be fun to do "body" count to see how many times the keywords "DeSantis" and "Indictment" are used. :police:
I don't know Fred.... We've had SOTU drinking games, but I don't know if i could stomach an entire Trump rally.
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I don't know Fred.... We've had SOTU drinking games, but I don't know if i could stomach an entire Trump rally.
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Truth to tell, I don't recall having listened to a full speech by any political person unless it was Reagan 1.
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Don't worry....
@Right_in_Virginia will have a Rally thread with by-the-second updates as the "Massive Rally" event occurs.
Me? I'll watch Impractical Joker reruns instead and get the same cultural and inspirational value.
I'm a little embarrassed by this and the subsequent replies @mystery-ak I thought my efforts were adding something of value. I'll be happy to stand down, if you'd like me to.
Just let me know. Thanks.
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I'm a little embarrassed by this and the subsequent replies @mystery-ak I thought my efforts were adding something of value. I'll be happy to stand down, if you'd like me to.
Just let me know. Thanks.
lol...
Didn't realize you've gotten this touchy. I'll retract the post so I won't hurt your feelings.
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I'm a little embarrassed by this and the subsequent replies @mystery-ak I thought my efforts were adding something of value. I'll be happy to stand down, if you'd like me to.
Just let me know. Thanks.
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Subtle and deadly. Tongue in cheekiness with devil horns. Are you a Navy Seal?
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I'm a little embarrassed by this and the subsequent replies @mystery-ak I thought my efforts were adding something of value. I'll be happy to stand down, if you'd like me to.
Just let me know. Thanks.
Wow. Passive-aggressive much?
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“What kind of person,” Mr. Trump wrote of Mr. Bragg, “can charge another person, in this case a former president of the United States, who got more votes than any sitting president in history, and leading candidate (by far!) for the Republican Party nomination, with a crime, when it is known by all that NO crime has been committed, & also that potential death & destruction in such a false charge could be catastrophic for our country?” D.J. Trump
i suspect that the potential candidates... making this sort of loopy threat..... might change the game entirely
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“What kind of person,” Mr. Trump wrote of Mr. Bragg, “can charge another person, in this case a former president of the United States, who got more votes than any sitting president in history, and leading candidate (by far!) for the Republican Party nomination, with a crime, when it is known by all that NO crime has been committed, & also that potential death & destruction in such a false charge could be catastrophic for our country?” D.J. Trump
i suspect that the potential candidates... making this sort of loopy threat..... might change the game entirely
In some multi-dimensional chess game pawn takes Knight...
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Did Trump this morning actually warn of the possibility of death and destruction if he is indicted? Is he freaking crazy. If there is violence there is no denying this time he instigated it.
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“What kind of person,” Mr. Trump wrote of Mr. Bragg, “can charge another person, in this case a former president of the United States, who got more votes than any sitting president in history, and leading candidate (by far!) for the Republican Party nomination, with a crime, when it is known by all that NO crime has been committed, & also that potential death & destruction in such a false charge could be catastrophic for our country?” D.J. Trump
i suspect that the potential candidates... making this sort of loopy threat..... might change the game entirely
How many votes he got in the presidential election has nothing to do whether or not he should be charged with a crime.
It could be interpreted as some kind of veiled threat? A “I have the numbers behind me if you should try to charge me” threat
Why throw that out there?
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Did Trump this morning actually warn of the possibility of death and destruction if he is indicted? Is he freaking crazy. If there is violence there is no denying this time he instigated it.
I don’t know if you ever saw that movie “Last of the Mohicans” that came out in the early 90s, but they had a portrayal of the battle of Fort William Henry. Major General Montcalm gives a generous offer to the British commander, Colonel Monroe, for surrender of the Fort, which Monroe accepts
Then it goes to a scene where Montcalm meets with the leader of his Huron allies, Maugua, who is angered by the peace agreement, because he wants his revenge on the British. Montcalm tells Maugua that because Monroe agreed to his terms, he must honor their surrender, but he believes their general will not honor it and put the men back into fighting. He gives a long look at Maugua as a kind of hint that he’s free to do whatever he wants. Later, the Hurons attack the retreating British.
This is what these rants of Donald Trump remind me of
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Did Trump this morning actually warn of the possibility of death and destruction if he is indicted? Is he freaking crazy. If there is violence there is no denying this time he instigated it.
Yes, he did.
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Yes, he did.
Two things:
1. If people riot or commit violence for Trump, they better realize that Trump will not help them. Ask those people who rioted on J6 who are in jail and Trump didn't help them.
2. If there is a riot or violence, it will drag the GOP ticket down like the Titanic. Trust me it will.
He is not worth the BS anymore.
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Two things:
1. If people riot or commit violence for Trump, they better realize that Trump will not help them. Ask those people who rioted on J6 who are in jail and Trump didn't help them.
2. If there is a riot or violence, it will drag the GOP ticket down like the Titanic. Trust me it will.
He is not worth the BS anymore.
Trumpy went full retard. Never ever go full retard.
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Trumpy went full retard. Never ever go full retard.
:amen:
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Did Trump this morning actually warn of the possibility of death and destruction if he is indicted? Is he freaking crazy. If there is violence there is no denying this time he instigated it.
IMO Trump has become unhinged. The threat of a competent conservative challenging him has thrown him over the edge.
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Trumpy went full retard. Never ever go full retard.
RDJ's performance in that flick, was one of the greatest comedic performance in cinema in the past 50 years.
Got to give the man some props. Can you imagine Hollywood allowing that today?
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1. If people riot or commit violence for Trump, they better realize that Trump will not help them. Ask those people who rioted on J6 who are in jail and Trump didn't help them.
Maybe he will mention this at the Branch Trumpidian Jubilee.
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You guys are being too hard on Trump
He is our only hope to save America, which will be defined by him and his supporters. This is a religious crusade with Moses Trump leading us to the promised land.
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Maybe he will mention this at the Branch Trumpidian Jubilee.
Doubt it.
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Maybe he will mention this at the Branch Trumpidian Jubilee.
the Waco massacre part deux!
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IMO Trump has become unhinged. The threat of a competent conservative challenging him has thrown him over the edge.
IMO we are seeing the real Trump. He was over the edge after the 2020 election now he has gone over the edge even further. Something tells me that he is in legal trouble for real and he is going to drag the party and the Conservative movement down with him.
Maybe this is a valuable lesson on why a person's character is important. Maybe it's time to rethink why we should listen to the pundits who pushed him (and I mean people like Levin, Hannity, and others) in 2016 and still continue to push him!
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I'm hopeful for a peaceful rally. You can count on the left already salivating at the thought of locking Trump supporters up.
Whether you like Trump or not he is a former president and what he and his supporters do will have an impact on the GOP's chances of being seated in '24.
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IMO we are seeing the real Trump. He was over the edge after the 2020 election now he has gone over the edge even further. Something tells me that he is in legal trouble for real and he is going to drag the party and the Conservative movement down with him.
Maybe this is a valuable lesson on why a person's character is important. Maybe it's time to rethink why we should listen to the pundits who pushed him (and I mean people like Levin, Hannity, and others) in 2016 and still continue to push him!
I too believe he is in legal trouble and I've said it many times; the left is going to continue to hound him and keep him tied up in court so that he won't be able to run.
I'm hoping someone other than Haley comes forward to announce that they're running.
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IMO Trump has become unhinged. The threat of a competent conservative challenging him has thrown him over the edge.
Who could blame him --- with this competition?
Tallahassee, FL, Mar 23, 2023:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr7eYJmX0AwpbNF?format=jpg&name=small)
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Who could blame him --- with this competition?
Tallahassee, FL, Mar 23, 2023:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr7eYJmX0AwpbNF?format=jpg&name=small)
With book sales like that there is definitely a multi-million $ mansion (or three) in his future.
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Yes, he did.
I defended Trump after J6 because at his rally becuase he very specifically told his supporters to march peaceably to the Capitol.
Warning of death and destruction if he is arrested. Most people including myself sees this as a threat. Go away orange man.
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Massive Lines Form For Trump Waco Rally 12 Hours Before The Event!
https://twitter.com/baldwin_daniel_/status/1639619898631438340
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https://welovetrump.com/2023/03/25/massive-lines-form-for-trump-waco-rally-12-hours-before-the-event/
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Massive Lines Form For Trump Waco Rally 12 Hours Before The Event!
https://twitter.com/baldwin_daniel_/status/1639619898631438340
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https://welovetrump.com/2023/03/25/massive-lines-form-for-trump-waco-rally-12-hours-before-the-event/
Yep, Trump gives rallies like no one else. He has a fabulous connection with his base.
This past election was stolen from him; what steps are being taken to ensure that it doesn't happen again???
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"MAGA inbound 🛩️" (Video). :patriot:
https://mobile.twitter.com/SteakforPodcast/status/1639707303481065472
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"MAGA inbound 🛩️" (Video). :patriot:
https://mobile.twitter.com/SteakforPodcast/status/1639707303481065472
At the end, don't forget to provide us some details of how many pork barrell initiatives he promises, versus how much he wants to reduce the deficit.
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At the end, don't forget to provide us some details of how many pork barrell initiatives he promises, versus how much he wants to reduce the deficit.
Besides the fact that particular poster has a history of refusing to answer questions, political rallies are just a red meat event for the faithful, anyways. Not just Trump's
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IMO Trump has become unhinged. The threat of a competent conservative challenging him has thrown him over the edge.
That's honestly how I feel as well. The stuff he has been saying since November is raging lunacy. I don't trust his judgment at all, on anything, at this point.
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Who could blame him --- with this competition?
Tallahassee, FL, Mar 23, 2023:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr7eYJmX0AwpbNF?format=jpg&name=small)
Then why is Trump calling him names?
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https://twitter.com/RSBNetwork/status/1639759951215345665
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https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1639782664642125824
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Watch live here
https://www.rsbnetwork.com/news/watch-live-president-trump-holds-first-2024-campaign-rally-in-waco-tx-3-25-23/
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https://twitter.com/KMGGaryde/status/1639769730297864193
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After the crappola that Trump has recently pulled and now him threatening DeSantis' staffers, I started to watch the rally and I couldn't help but see Trump in a different light. I've lost interest in him.
Unhinged orange man!
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After the crappola that Trump has recently pulled and now him threatening DeSantis' staffers, I started to watch the rally and I couldn't help but see Trump in a different light. I've lost interest in him.
Unhinged orange man!
The thing with DeSantis' staffers is so petty, and the exact opposite of leaving a door cracked to bring the party together after the primary. He's just going scorched earth on everyone who isn't on his side, and that's going to rub a lot of GOP voters the wrong way.
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The thing with DeSantis' staffers is so petty, and the exact opposite of leaving a door cracked to bring the party together after the primary. He's just going scorched earth on everyone who isn't on his side, and that's going to rub a lot of GOP voters the wrong way.
Trump smearing one of the most conservative governors we have is not acceptable. The unhinged orange man disgusts me. DeSantis is my governor. He's done well for Floridians.
I will NOT vote for Trump. I have now absolutely decided to either abstain from voting or just vote down ballot.
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https://twitter.com/RSBNetwork/status/1639766037054001152
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1639780438787981312
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1639706546492899329
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(https://www.politico.com/dims4/default/0d2c9b9/2147483647/strip/true/crop/274x369+0+0/resize/1260x1696!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fs3-origin-images.politico.com%2F070925_reno_headshot.jpg)
Weee didn’t start the fi-yah!
It was always burnin’ since the world’s been turnin’
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Kennedy came to Dallas in 63 to shore up his party because he and Robert knew LBJ wasn't going to be in his ticket in his reelection Campaign.
Trumps worried about Texas donors holding out for DeSantis.
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After the crappola that Trump has recently pulled and now him threatening DeSantis' staffers .....
Letting potential applicants know if they worked for the DeSantis campaign, they will not be eligible to work for his is not threatening anyone. As the President said:. "It's a time for choosing".
@libertybele
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The thing with DeSantis' staffers is so petty.....
I would've thought you'd be pleased Trump's gotten smarter when it comes to staffing ------ after all the posts about this subject.
Guess there's just no pleasing you. :shrug:
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I would've thought you'd be pleased Trump's gotten smarter when it comes to staffing ------ after all the posts about this subject.
Guess there's just no pleasing you. :shrug:
For Trump to have the slightest chance on winning he has to bring every faction of the republican party together, plus a huge portion of the independents. All he's done to this point is divide everyone. You either love him or you hate him. Sadly the number of people that hate him is rising quickly.
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I would've thought you'd be pleased Trump's gotten smarter when it comes to staffing ------ after all the posts about this subject.
Guess there's just no pleasing you. :shrug:
:mauslaff:
That's just it: he hasn't; if anything, he's gotten worse.
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For Trump to have the slightest chance on winning he has to bring every faction of the republican party together, plus a huge portion of the independents. All he's done to this point is divide everyone. You either love him or you hate him. Sadly the number of people that hate him is rising quickly.
Yep.... And to the earlier comment.....Trump based half his POTUS career boasting he only hired the best, while using the other half to fire them and blast them for their incompetency or disloyalty.
You just can't make this shit up.
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For Trump to have the slightest chance on winning he has to bring every faction of the republican party together, plus a huge portion of the independents. All he's done to this point is divide everyone. You either love him or you hate him. Sadly the number of people that hate him is rising quickly.
The reality is this:
1. He isn't going to get the independent voters
2. He will not get supporters of RDS if he continues down this pat
3. He isn't going to get the suburban voters
4. He isn't going to get the votes from people who support 'The Establishment'
Without those voters how is Trump going to win?
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Letting potential applicants know if they worked for the DeSantis campaign, they will not be eligible to work for his is not threatening anyone. As the President said:. "It's a time for choosing".
@libertybele
@Right_in_Virginia ???? It is absurd for Trump to even say this when DeSantis hasn't even declared he's running!! "It's a time for choosing??? Seriously???
The Orange One is unhinged!
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For Trump to have the slightest chance on winning he has to bring every faction of the republican party together, plus a huge portion of the independents. All he's done to this point is divide everyone. You either love him or you hate him. Sadly the number of people that hate him is rising quickly.
888high58888
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The reality is this:
1. He isn't going to get the independent voters
2. He will not get supporters of RDS if he continues down this pat
3. He isn't going to get the suburban voters
4. He isn't going to get the votes from people who support 'The Establishment'
Without those voters how is Trump going to win?
Even though the Japanese knew during WW 2 they could not match America’s industrial and military strength, they believed it was the fighting spirit of the Japanese soldier that would propel them to victory
MAGA’s probably have that same attitude and it won’t work out well for them just like it didn’t work out well for the Japanese
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Even though the Japanese knew during WW 2 they could not match America’s industrial and military strength, they believed it was the fighting spirit of the Japanese soldier that would propel them to victory
MAGA’s probably have that same attitude and it won’t work out well for them just like it didn’t work out well for the Japanese
Interesting analogy
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Trump: DeSantis Begged Me for an Endorsement with 'Tears in His Eyes'
Nick Gilbertson
Former President Donald Trump trashed Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) at the first rally of his 2024 presidential campaign in Waco, Texas, on Saturday night.
Trump hit DeSantis on a number of fronts, including Social Security, Medicare, and the coronavirus pandemic, but his harshest criticism came on the issue of loyalty.
Trump recounted that an emotional DeSantis approached him during Florida’s 2018 gubernatorial primary race against Adam Putnam and essentially begged for an endorsement to help land the nomination:
But I’m a loyalist, and when a man comes to me, tears in his eyes, he’s at almost nothing in the polls, and he’s fighting somebody that’s at 42 [percent], and he’s got almost $30 million in the bank. He’s at almost nothing, he’s got no cash, and I said, ‘I can’t give you an endorsement. There’s no way you can win. You’re dead.’
DeSantis responded, “Sir, if you endorse me, I’ll win. Please. Please, sir, endorse me,” according to Trump.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/03/25/trump-rips-desanctus-he-begged-me-for-an-endorsement-with-tears-in-his-eyes/
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The reality is this:
1. He isn't going to get the independent voters
2. He will not get supporters of RDS if he continues down this pat
3. He isn't going to get the suburban voters
4. He isn't going to get the votes from people who support 'The Establishment'
Without those voters how is Trump going to win?
Because MAGA voters are the secret, silent majority. Just ask them.
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Trump: DeSantis Begged Me for an Endorsement with 'Tears in His Eyes'
Nick Gilbertson
Former President Donald Trump trashed Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) at the first rally of his 2024 presidential campaign in Waco, Texas, on Saturday night.
Trump hit DeSantis on a number of fronts, including Social Security, Medicare, and the coronavirus pandemic, but his harshest criticism came on the issue of loyalty.
Trump recounted that an emotional DeSantis approached him during Florida’s 2018 gubernatorial primary race against Adam Putnam and essentially begged for an endorsement to help land the nomination:
But I’m a loyalist, and when a man comes to me, tears in his eyes, he’s at almost nothing in the polls, and he’s fighting somebody that’s at 42 [percent], and he’s got almost $30 million in the bank. He’s at almost nothing, he’s got no cash, and I said, ‘I can’t give you an endorsement. There’s no way you can win. You’re dead.’
DeSantis responded, “Sir, if you endorse me, I’ll win. Please. Please, sir, endorse me,” according to Trump.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/03/25/trump-rips-desanctus-he-begged-me-for-an-endorsement-with-tears-in-his-eyes/
Knowing Trump's tendency to embellish....I don't believe this.
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Knowing Trump's tendency to embellish....I don't believe this.
That's a polite way of putting it.
The weird thing about Trump is that you don't form negative opinions about him based on what others say. You form those opinions from the words that come out of his own mouth. Very Biden-esque in that respect.
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The fact this fat little DA thumbed his nose at the GOP House subpoena, tells everything you need to know about his interest in the rule of law.
@catfish1957
You have to give him credit for helping boost Trump's campaign.
And for all you "Never Trumper loons",take note of how large the crowd will be,and compare it to the "crowds" YOUR favorite candidate gets.
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Because MAGA voters are the secret, silent majority. Just ask them.
@Maj. Bill Martin @LMAO
Well if Trump is the nominee it's going to be a bloodbath when he runs against either Newsom or Biden. Which will be bad news.
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Knowing Trump's tendency to embellish....I don't believe this.
Nor do I. This is a man who made a 1/4 of a career as reality TV show star.
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I understand extradition. I am trying to envision who and how it happens. NYC cops?... Marshalls?, Dog the Bounty Hunter? :silly:
@catfish1957
Unless he has sold it all,he owns a LOT of commercial property in NY,and all that turd has to do is wait for him to come to NYC to check on his property and do what all property owners have to do to keep things maintained,and then arrest him there.
Meanwhile,Bragg is probably enjoying "rock star" fame in NYC.
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@catfish1957
You have to give him credit for helping boost Trump's campaign.
And for all you "Never Trumper loons",take note of how large the crowd will be,and compare it to the "crowds" YOUR favorite candidate gets.
:mauslaff:
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@catfish1957
You have to give him credit for helping boost Trump's campaign.
And for all you "Never Trumper loons",take note of how large the crowd will be,and compare it to the "crowds" YOUR favorite candidate gets.
I voted for Trump Pete. Why are you calling me a "never trumper". That would have meant I never supported Trump.
He can go f himself now as far as I am concerned.
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The perfect time to arrest Trump would have to be at his speech in Waco. :whistle:
@bigheadfred
Yeah,that oughta work well. Shouldn't take much more than the NG of several surrounding states.
Providing,of course,that the NG soldiers report in when called.
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Short answer is that the Governor of NY will contact the Governor of Fla.. Florida law enforcement will then seize and hold that person, and then NY law enforcement will travel to Fla., pick up the person, and then travel back to NY.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Do you think DeSantis will go along with that? Remember,he wants to run for President,too.
BTW,being a little Machiavellian here,but what are the chances of the left arranging this whole thing in order to try to suck DeSantis into it and "kill two birds with one stone"?
You can bet your bippy that DeSantis would lose most of the "mushhead moderate" yankee votes if he would be seen to be supporting Trump by trying to block extradition.
Yeah,we all know the typical Dim is borderline retarded or more ignorant than a space alien,but this is NOT true of the international bankers that play the music they dance to. They have no interest in being elected,they want to OWN America.
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And if that happened it would be political suicide for DeSantis.
This thing is dead in the water before it started.
@catfish1957
I think so,too.
Truth to tell,I never once thought it was anything more than a political PR stunt for the denizens of NYC to start with.
Not really sure that Bragg would know what to do with him and the team of lawyers he would show up with if he flew to NYC and surrendered.
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I don't think so. DeSantis, as governor, is legally bound to follow the law.
@bigheadfred
I am GUESSING he already has a stack of legal opinions a foot high,stating why he wouldn't have to comply.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Do you think DeSantis will go along with that? Remember,he wants to run for President,too.
He won't have much choice. The Supreme Court has already held that a state's duty to extradite at the request of a sister state is mandatory. The most DeSantis could do is to refuse to extradite and leave it to the federal courts and the U.S. marshals service to extradite the Orange Shitshow to NY.
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:mauslaff:
@Kamaji
I am sure you will shed more than a few tears before this is over.
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@catfish1957
You have to give him credit for helping boost Trump's campaign.
And for all you "Never Trumper loons",take note of how large the crowd will be,and compare it to the "crowds" YOUR favorite candidate gets.
Most voters don’t attend political rallies
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I voted for Trump Pete. Why are you calling me a "never trumper". That would have meant I never supported Trump.
No,it just means you morphed into a NT after losing your mind.
He can go f himself now as far as I am concerned.
See?
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He won't have much choice. The Supreme Court has already held that a state's duty to extradite at the request of a sister state is mandatory. The most DeSantis could do is to refuse to extradite and leave it to the federal courts and the U.S. marshals service to extradite the Orange Shitshow to NY.
I think it will boil down again around level of cooperation.
DeSantis will never admit to thumbing his nose to the extradition order in principle, but his level of zeal of executing is another.
I understand the concept of putting certain pieces of paper under others for priority sake. All DeSantis has to say, is we have more pressing priorities, and we'll get to it, when we have time.
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@Kamaji
I am sure you will shed more than a few tears before this is over.
Why? Until and unless Trump grows up and stops acting like a spoilt little child, we are assured of getting Biden, or his democrat replacement, as president in 2024. Even then, we also need Trump's cadre of supporters to also stop acting like spoilt little children.
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I think it will boil down again around level of cooperation.
DeSantis will never admit to thumbing his nose to the extradition order in principle, but his level of zeal of executing is another.
I understand the concept of putting certain pieces of paper under others for priority sake. All DeSantis has to say, is we have more pressing priorities, and we'll get to it, when we have time.
I agree. And were I DeSantis, I would simply add that if the NY governor wants to expedite the matter, he can take it up in federal court, as is his right.
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I agree. And were I DeSantis, I would simply add that if the NY governor wants to expedite the matter, he can take it up in federal court, as is his right.
Agree... And at worse, I'd press the DA, to give the specific chapter and verse of the law (felony) that Trump is accused of. Which I understand has already been addressed and litigated in precedent by the Edwards love child case. Which actually was a case where I understand campaign funds WERE used for hush money. And the Feds chose not to prosecute.
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Agree... And at worse, I'd press the DA, to give the specific chapter and verse of the law (felony) that Trump is accused of. Which I understand has already been addressed and litigated in precedent by the Edwards love child case. Which actually was a case where I understand campaign funds WERE used for hush money. And the Feds chose not to prosecute.
Well, the federal side of things is what Bragg is trying to use to turn a NY misdemeanor into a NY felony. The underlying violation of NY law has to do with the claim that business records were falsified, which is a misdemeanor on its own.
Still, a misdemeanor is an extraditable offense, so that's all Bragg needs to get extradition is an indictment on the business records violation.
Of course, I believe that, as a misdemeanor, the statute of limitations may have run, so that should present a basis for contesting extradition if Bragg only gets an indictment on the business records violation.
The thing to keep in mind is that this is all based on NY law, and even the claim that the business records falsification was in order to pursue a federal elections violation ultimately turns on what the standard of proof is under NY law - without researching the subject, it is possible that the NY jury could be permitted to draw its own conclusions regarding whether the NY prosecutor proved a violation of non-NY law beyond a reasonable doubt as a predicate showing to whether the underlying NY law was violated.
Ultimately, it all turns on what NY law says.
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@catfish1957
You have to give him credit for helping boost Trump's campaign.
And for all you "Never Trumper loons",take note of how large the crowd will be,and compare it to the "crowds" YOUR favorite candidate gets.
Well @sneakypete crowd size doesn't necessarily equate to being seated in the oval office.
??? How can you even compare crowd size@ sneakeypete when DeSantis isn't even campaigning?
I voted for Trump twice so don't put me in the category of a "Never Trumper". However, because I believe that Trump has become unhinged and he is attacking a very conservative and popular governor he won't be getting another vote from me.
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Well, the federal side of things is what Bragg is trying to use to turn a NY misdemeanor into a NY felony. The underlying violation of NY law has to do with the claim that business records were falsified, which is a misdemeanor on its own.
Still, a misdemeanor is an extraditable offense, so that's all Bragg needs to get extradition is an indictment on the business records violation.
Of course, I believe that, as a misdemeanor, the statute of limitations may have run, so that should present a basis for contesting extradition if Bragg only gets an indictment on the business records violation.
The thing to keep in mind is that this is all based on NY law, and even the claim that the business records falsification was in order to pursue a federal elections violation ultimately turns on what the standard of proof is under NY law - without researching the subject, it is possible that the NY jury could be permitted to draw its own conclusions regarding whether the NY prosecutor proved a violation of non-NY law beyond a reasonable doubt as a predicate showing to whether the underlying NY law was violated.
Ultimately, it all turns on what NY law says.
I wonder if there is a record of the last time someone was extradited 7 states over, over a misdemeanor.
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I wonder if there is a record of the last time someone was extradited 7 states over, over a misdemeanor.
I'm sure it doesn't happen very often because of the time and expense involved. However, that doesn't mean that it won't happen in this case.
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I'm sure it doesn't happen very often because of the time and expense involved. However, that doesn't mean that it won't happen in this case.
I am wondering if it has EVER happened.
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I am wondering if it has EVER happened.
I did a quick google and came up with instances where it has happened. E.g., on this quora thread: https://www.quora.com/Will-states-extradite-for-a-misdemeanor
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I did a quick google and came up with instances where it has happened. E.g., on this quora thread: https://www.quora.com/Will-states-extradite-for-a-misdemeanor
Thanks... Seems they are isolated to state line locations. Throughout that thread I couldn't find one example of one going 7 states.
Seems this would truly be precedent setting.
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Thanks... Seems they are isolated to state line locations. Throughout that thread I couldn't find one example of one going 7 states.
Seems this would truly be precedent setting.
@catfish1957
I would THINK that at one point or another an obviously political prosecution like this can backfire if the prosecution never makes an honest effort to bring it to trial,and end up turning up votes for the candidate they were trying to torpedo?
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@catfish1957
I would THINK that at one point or another an obviously political prosecution like this can backfire if the prosecution never makes an honest effort to bring it to trial,and end up turning up votes for the candidate they were trying to torpedo?
I think it would really consolidate and reenforce his base, but lets step back a moment, and think what would be the overall impact on the 2024 election if a mug shot of Trump existed.
I think it hurts him with moderate voters. The general sheeple doesn't care about the details... they just want soundbites and 10 second clips. All they will remember is Orange on Orange and a sneering Trump.
Roe v. Wade in 2022 was a good example, and how the dims exploited it
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My understanding is that there are ways under NY law to make this a felony. The lowest level possible, but still a felony.
Not that I don't think the entire thing is bogus and politically motivated, because it is. And one thing that confirms that is the timing. This case, the threatened case in Ga., etc. all could have been brought a year ago. They weren't either because they didn't have merit, or the Democrat DA's were timing it to interfere with his campaign as much as possible, which is absolutely reprehensible.
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@Right_in_Virginia ???? It is absurd for Trump to even say this when DeSantis hasn't even declared he's running!! "It's a time for choosing??? Seriously???
The Orange One is unhinged!
I'm reading your posts @libertybele and thinking Trump being "unhinged" isn't what you should be concerned about.
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@catfish1957
I would THINK that at one point or another an obviously political prosecution like this can backfire if the prosecution never makes an honest effort to bring it to trial,and end up turning up votes for the candidate they were trying to torpedo?
Always a risk, but Trump is currently doing his level best to make sure that doesn't happen.
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I think it would really consolidate and reenforce his base, but lets step back a moment, and think what would be the overall impact on the 2024 election if a mug shot of Trump existed.
I think it hurts him with moderate voters. The general sheeple doesn't care about the details... they just want soundbites and 10 second clips. All they will remember is Orange on Orange and a sneering Trump.
Roe v. Wade in 2022 was a good example, and how the dims exploited it
@catfish1957
I guess it could go either way,depending on who is reading about it and where they live.
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@catfish1957
I guess it could go either way,depending on who is reading about it and where they live.
Yeah, but Trump or any other GOP candiate needs purple states to become POTUS.
Whether he pulls 60% vs. 80% in Wyoming, Texas, Oklahoma means nothing.
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Yeah, but Trump or any other GOP candiate needs purple states to become POTUS.
Whether he pulls 60% vs. 80% in Wyoming, Texas, Oklahoma means nothing.
Whether Trump is the victim of a blatantly political prosecution certainly will impact how I judge those prosecuting Trump, but it won't impact my view of Trump himself, or how I plan to vote.
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I'm reading your posts @libertybele and thinking Trump being "unhinged" isn't what you should be concerned about.
*****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes*****
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Yeah, but Trump or any other GOP candiate needs purple states to become POTUS.
Whether he pulls 60% vs. 80% in Wyoming, Texas, Oklahoma means nothing.
@catfish1957
I'm not so sure about Texas.
I think Trump is going to lose Georgia, Arizona, and North Carolina.
Along with Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania again.
So yes he will lose the purple states.
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@catfish1957
I'm not so sure about Texas.
I think Trump is going to lose Georgia, Arizona, and North Carolina.
Along with Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania again.
So yes he will lose the purple states.
Agreed and IMO if he keeps attacking DeSantis he may lose Florida as well. Consider that DeSantis won counties in the mid-terms that no other governor has won in a very, very long time. Mostly poor and Latino areas.
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Agreed and IMO if he keeps attacking DeSantis he may lose Florida as well. Consider that DeSantis won counties in the mid-terms that no other governor has won in a very, very long time. Mostly poor and Latino areas.
Agreed.. In reality, he has no path to victory in the General Election.
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Apparently, the rally-attendees weren't so hot on Trump attacking DeSantis.
Read the crowd, Don: Trump Waco rally crowd goes QUIET as he mocks Ron DeSantis (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11904215/Trump-rally-crowd-goes-QUIET-mocks-Ron-DeSantis-CRYING-BEGGING-help.html).
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Agreed.. In reality, he has no path to victory in the General Election.
No path to victory in the General Election is a very distinct possibility. Also, what's to prevent another election from being stolen??
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No path to victory in the General Election is a very distinct possibility. Also, what's to prevent another election from being stolen??
Fraud exists, but is overrated. It mainly serves as a ready-made excuse for Trump supporters who do not want to take ownership in their decision. I see most of them repeating some version of "it won't matter who is nominated because ... " Republicans simply have to adapt to 21st century voting habits, and maximize the early vote, as DeSantis did in Florida.
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Fraud exists, but is overrated. It mainly serves as a ready-made excuse for Trump supporters who do not want to take ownership in their decision. I see most of them repeating some version of "it won't matter who is nominated because ... " Republicans simply have to adapt to 21st century voting habits, and maximize the early vote, as DeSantis did in Florida.
And I’ve never heard a good explanation as to why Republicans did much better in downticket races than anticipated in 2020 if the race was a complete robbery
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And I’ve never heard a good explanation as to why Republicans did much better in downticket races than anticipated in 2020 if the race was a complete robbery
There are so many people out there who just hated Trump. I supported Trump in both 2016 and 2020, had friends/relatives who weren't flaming lefties, and they were absolutely closed to the idea of voting for him. And not because of how he portrayed in the media - it was because the stuff that came out of his own mouth. Especially women. Those voters are never coming back to him, ever.
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I think Trump is going to lose Georgia, Arizona, and North Carolina.
I was a little surprised he held onto North Carolina last time, albeit barely. Biden smoked him in the urban areas. Dems have won them lately, but this time it wasn't even close. For the same reasons, Texas is more of a problem than people realize.
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I was a little surprised he held onto North Carolina last time, albeit barely. Biden smoked him in the urban areas. Dems have won them lately, but this time it wasn't even close. For the same reasons, Texas is more of a problem than people realize.
Same here I see two scenarios:
1. Trump is on the top ticket with Cruz running for reelection which is going to be an issue for Cruz. Cruz can lose. Hell in 2018 he almost lost to Beto.
2. DeSantis or someone else on the top ticket Cruz will win, but not a blowout.
Texas is NOT a safe red state anymore.
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I was a little surprised he held onto North Carolina last time, albeit barely. Biden smoked him in the urban areas. Dems have won them lately, but this time it wasn't even close. For the same reasons, Texas is more of a problem than people realize.
@cato potatoe
Regardless of who you are or what party you represent, it's hard to beat offers/promises of "free money if you vote for me!",and that is what the cities have to offer these days.
Truthfully,did ANY of you expect to see state and city governments like we now have in places like Oregon,California,and Washington state?
Like all of you,I have seen photos and read news stories from all of them,and still have a hard time believing it is true.
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catfish wrote:
"Yeah, but Trump or any other GOP candiate needs purple states to become POTUS.
Whether he pulls 60% vs. 80% in Wyoming, Texas, Oklahoma means nothing"
I've explained why numerous times in the forum, but no one ever seems to respond, even to tell me I'm full of it.
Latest example:
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,494778.msg2801086.html#msg2801086
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Same here I see two scenarios:
1. Trump is on the top ticket with Cruz running for reelection which is going to be an issue for Cruz. Cruz can lose. Hell in 2018 he almost lost to Beto.
2. DeSantis or someone else on the top ticket Cruz will win, but not a blowout.
Texas is NOT a safe red state anymore.
No we are not safe.
But imho, Cruz's near loss was due to an influx of Dems, an influx of out of state money for Beto...and the crap that Trump threw at him. Yes, I hold him responsible to a degree.
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https://twitter.com/BasedBarryFan/status/1639776265098895362
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https://twitter.com/BasedBarryFan/status/1639776265098895362
That is a flat out lie!
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No we are not safe.
But imho, Cruz's near loss was due to an influx of Dems, an influx of out of state money for Beto...and the crap that Trump threw at him. Yes, I hold him responsible to a degree.
@berdie I also think that it's the change in demographics; influx of Latinos voting. As for Trump he certainly didn't help the matter.
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No we are not safe.
But imho, Cruz's near loss was due to an influx of Dems, an influx of out of state money for Beto...and the crap that Trump threw at him. Yes, I hold him responsible to a degree.
Also a significant amount of butt hurt Trumpers split their ticket and voted for Abbott and not Cruz (not saying they voted for beto, just left it blank).
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That is a flat out lie!
I'm almost certain that Donald voted for Charlie Crist last November. He once hosted a $500 per plate fundraiser for Charlie.
You notice he credits Charlie instead of Jeb, out of personal spite. Jeb was a low key but transformational leader after 120 years of nearly uninterrupted democrat governors. Charlie is everything Donald pretends to hate, but surrounds himself with.
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Trump has changed. Now, this time, he will hire only the 'Best People' proof of this is his full throated endorsement of Ronna last month.
This time it will be different. /s
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https://twitter.com/BasedBarryFan/status/1639776265098895362
Awesome, Don, just awesome. Praising a former Democrat who most acknowledge was an utter slimeball. Why? Because you think it is to your short-term political advantage, which is all you really value.
I truly despise that guy.
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Awesome, Don, just awesome. Praising a former Democrat who most acknowledge was an utter slimeball. Why? Because you think it is to your short-term political advantage, which is all you really value.
I truly despise that guy.
Donna Twump is What He Is(https://i.imgur.com/iVyPwgy.gif)
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Donna Twump is What He Is(https://i.imgur.com/iVyPwgy.gif)
@MeshugeMikey
How old are you,9?
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@MeshugeMikey
How old are you,9?
my donzilla concept offended you didn it....the imagenary ALL Powerful Avenger
you probably didnt even make that connection did you..
oh well we cant all be successful creative thinkers..like THE yugely successful The Donny. can we
9 years old?? well that would make me approximately 3 years more mature than the donny... now ..wouldnt it
(https://i.imgur.com/lIfz7MX.jpg)
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my donzilla concept offended you didn it....the imagenary ALL Powerful Avenger
you probably didnt even make that connection did you..
oh well we cant all be successful creative thinkers..like THE yugely successful The Donny. can we
9 years old?? well that would make me approximately 3 years more mature than the donny... now ..wouldnt it
(https://i.imgur.com/lIfz7MX.jpg)
@MeshugeMikey
When are you going back to The Huffington Post?
I am sure they miss you and your "biting wit" over there.
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Another Trump rally, oh joy!
I attended one of his rallies, with an estimated 70,000 there in Macon, GA. IT WAS ELECTRIC! Magnificent!
BUT, doing everything the exact same way as the previous election, and expecting a different outcome is not smart. Some argue that is the definition of a form of insanity.
In neither his first two elections, did he see the value/need to have a ground game. Again, the arrogance/ego of Trump knows no bounds. What is the value of a strong ground game? You build an organization of people loyal to your campaign, loyal to you the candidate. From these ranks you can find people that can fill appointee positions in the government you would form. But Trump understands this not in the slightest.
Perhaps if he did, he would not have kept 1,500+ Obama appointees in positions for well over a year after taking office. Sadly, Trump only hears the voice in his own head. Trump doesn't need anyone else, he believes he, and only he, can do everything on his own. He did not learn a single lesson from his first term in office.
Last thing I want is someone that lost to a dead from the neck up fool who has turned this nation into a sh*thole. Trump is a loser, he lost once to this fool, do we really need to suffer through this painful nonsense a 2nd time? Trump has zero chance to beat Biden, or any other Democommie for the simple dark reason that the elections are fixed. And the Dems were quite arrogant about doing it in 2020. They will be more brazen in 2024. And the Republican part of the Uni-party will do nothing a 2nd time.
It will be Biden by a landslide. How can you say that? Because while most people do not like Biden, they will tolerate his incompetence versus Trump's incessant belligerence, ignorance, arrogance and inability to work with others to build any consortium to generate legislative votes to accomplish ANYTHING!!!
Ross Perot would be screaming gridlock on steroids if Trump were to become POTUS again, if he were still around to say it, that is.
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@MeshugeMikey
When are you going back to The Huffington Post?
I am sure they miss you and your "biting wit" over there.
888high58888. @sneakypete
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It will be Biden by a landslide. How can you say that? Because while most people do not like Biden, they will tolerate his incompetence versus Trump's incessant belligerence, ignorance, arrogance and inability to work with others to build any consortium to generate legislative votes to accomplish ANYTHING
"Anything"? ---- Man, @jafo2010 you just hit the ground like a safe falling out a 25th floor window. 88devil
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Another Trump rally, oh joy!
I attended one of his rallies, with an estimated 70,000 there in Macon, GA. IT WAS ELECTRIC! Magnificent!
BUT, doing everything the exact same way as the previous election, and expecting a different outcome is not smart. Some argue that is the definition of a form of insanity.
In neither his first two elections, did he see the value/need to have a ground game. Again, the arrogance/ego of Trump knows no bounds. What is the value of a strong ground game? You build an organization of people loyal to your campaign, loyal to you the candidate. From these ranks you can find people that can fill appointee positions in the government you would form. But Trump understands this not in the slightest.
Perhaps if he did, he would not have kept 1,500+ Obama appointees in positions for well over a year after taking office. Sadly, Trump only hears the voice in his own head. Trump doesn't need anyone else, he believes he, and only he, can do everything on his own. He did not learn a single lesson from his first term in office.
Last thing I want is someone that lost to a dead from the neck up fool who has turned this nation into a sh*thole. Trump is a loser, he lost once to this fool, do we really need to suffer through this painful nonsense a 2nd time? Trump has zero chance to beat Biden, or any other Democommie for the simple dark reason that the elections are fixed. And the Dems were quite arrogant about doing it in 2020. They will be more brazen in 2024. And the Republican part of the Uni-party will do nothing a 2nd time.
It will be Biden by a landslide. How can you say that? Because while most people do not like Biden, they will tolerate his incompetence versus Trump's incessant belligerence, ignorance, arrogance and inability to work with others to build any consortium to generate legislative votes to accomplish ANYTHING!!!
Ross Perot would be screaming gridlock on steroids if Trump were to become POTUS again, if he were still around to say it, that is.
Unfortunately that's pretty much how things are going to play out, if we even make it to another election.
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The GOP will take their ball and head home because they don't like the score.
Politics used to be a competition of ideas. Now it's competition for ratings and donations. Ideas are optional accessories.
Voting nothing more than a meaningless formality.
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The GOP will take their ball and head home because they don't like the score.
That was before the DNC made the senior GOP leaders co-conspirators in their "get rich quick" inside buyer scams.
The RNC "leadership" of today are mostly the DNC's "bought and paid for" bitches.
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That was before the DNC made the senior GOP leaders co-conspirators in their "get rich quick" inside buyer scams.
The RNC "leadership" of today are mostly the DNC's "bought and paid for" bitches.
Well said @sneakypete :thumbsup:
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@MeshugeMikey
When are you going back to The Huffington Post?
I am sure they miss you and your "biting wit" over there.
you will never make it as Private Eye Nor a Mind Reader...NEVER.
this is another of ny fabulous graphics dedicated the Brackna Bama,????
(https://i.imgur.com/BhdpnL9.gif)
better luck with your other hobbies