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General Category => Elections 2024 => Topic started by: mystery-ak on February 26, 2023, 02:30:07 pm
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Paul Ryan Will Skip Republican National Convention if Trump Wins Primary
Wendell Husebø 25 Feb 2023
Paul Ryan, a member of the Fox Corporation Board of Directors, said this weekend he will skip the 2024 Republican National Convention if former President Donald Trump wins the Republican Party primary.
In an interview on WISN ABC, Ryan was asked where he would be during the 2024 convention held in Milwaukee.
“Where will you be?” the host asked.
“It depends on who the nominee is,” Ryan replied. “I’ll be here if it’s not named somebody Trump.”
“You won’t show up if it’s someone —,” the host said before Ryan quickly cut in.
“Yeah, I’m not interested in participating, no,” Ryan retorted.
“Even if in Wisconsin?” the host asked.
Ryan replied, “Even Wisconsin”:
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https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2023/02/25/paul-ryan-will-skip-republican-national-convention-if-trump-wins-primary/
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And the downside is what exactly? One less traitor in attendance. BFD!
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Shut up Ryan... That helps Trump.
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Hilarious: Paul Ryan's Attack on Donald Trump as 2024 Nominee Doesn't Have Effect He'd Hoped
By Nick Arama | 11:00 PM on February 25, 2023
It’s been a long time since former House Speaker Paul Ryan had any relevance to the base of the Republican Party.
He’s long since been dismissed. But that hasn’t stopped him from thinking that, somehow, what he says holds some sway.
Ryan sat down with WITI Milwaukee’s Jason Calvi, and he said that he would not be attending the upcoming 2024 Republican National Convention if President Donald Trump was the nominee. “It depends on who the nominee is. I’ll be here [in Milwaukee at the convention] if it’s someone not named Trump.”
https://twitter.com/mattsmith_news/status/1629147406020272128
“You won’t show up if it’s Trump?” Calvi asked.
“I’m not interested in participating in that, no,” Ryan responded. He claimed that Trump cost the Republicans seats in the last few elections and that if he ran again, Republicans would lose.
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https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/02/25/hilarious-paul-ryans-attack-on-donald-trump-as-2024-nominee-doesnt-have-effect-hed-hoped-n708590
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Here’s a guy that was just as bad as Trump, possibly worse, on giving Nancy Pelosi her spending wishes
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Here’s a guy that was just as bad as Trump, possibly worse, on giving Nancy Pelosi her spending wishes
Yep, he was a RINO incarnate.
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Ryan hates Trump because Ryan's central issue was always entitlement reform, and Trump has publicly blasted both that concept in general, and Ryan specifically for bringing it up at all.
You probably couldn't find two people in the Republican Party further apart on that issue than those two.
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Shut up Ryan... That helps Trump.
Ryan attacking Trump is like Soros praising DeSantis. 88devil
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"Paul Ryan Will Skip Republican National Convention if Trump Wins"
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"Paul Ryan comes across so smug & pompous. He is the epitome of the old establishment GOP that has drained the Republican Party for years." (Video)
https://mobile.twitter.com/shawnpisteySC/status/1629684482558050304
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"Paul Ryan Will Skip Republican National Convention if Trump Wins"
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Lol
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Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
Around 30% of GOP voters are #OnlyTrump.
If Trump is not the nominee, 30% or more of GOP voters (including myself) will stay home, & the GOP will just learn a tough lesson.
Two can play this game, Paul!
Dems will win in 2024 if Trump is not the nominee. Millions won’t vote.
12:49 AM · Feb 26, 2023
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Ryan has proved himself a real idiot.
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"THIS IS SO MUCH FUN!!!😭🤣🤣🤣" (Video)
https://twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1629990941053296640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1629720281114718210
Exactly what "tough lesson" is going to be learned, and by whom?
If Trump doesn't win the 2024 nomination, it'll be because a majority of GOP primary voters preferred someone else. Not "the party", not "the elites" or "the establishment", but ordinary voters. So it must be all of us other primary voters who must be "taught that lesson" by this 30%. But exactly what is that lesson we're going to be taught for future elections? That we must vote for whichever future candidate (obviously not Trump) Loomer and her friends chooses to support in future elections? That the rest of us must subordinate our preferences to those of a self-admitted minority? I don't think so....
Truth is, I don't think 30% of the GOP will sit out the 2024 election if Trump isn't the nominee. It'll be some smaller percentage -- perhaps still enough to swing the election -- but not 30%. So personally, I'm just going to call the bluff of those electoral blackmailers, and vote for the most conservative candidate I believe can win. And that won't be Trump.
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Exactly what "tough lesson" is going to be learned, and by whom?
If Trump doesn't win the 2024 nomination, it'll be because a majority of GOP primary voters preferred someone else. Not "the party", not "the elites" or "the establishment", but ordinary voters. So it must be all of us other primary voters who must be "taught that lesson" by this 30%. But exactly what is that lesson we're going to be taught for future elections? That we must vote for whichever future candidate (obviously not Trump) Loomer and her friends chooses to support in future elections? That the rest of us must subordinate our preferences to those of a self-admitted minority? I don't think so....
Truth is, I don't think 30% of the GOP will sit out the 2024 election if Trump isn't the nominee. It'll be some smaller percentage -- perhaps still enough to swing the election -- but not 30%. So personally, I'm just going to call the bluff of those electoral blackmailers, and vote for the most conservative candidate I believe can win. And that won't be Trump.
Same dipshits blasted anyone who didn't bow down and kiss the orange oracle's ass in '16 and '20.
A '24 potential loss is all on them now, and we won't forget.
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https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1629720281114718210
Exactly what "tough lesson" is going to be learned, and by whom?
If Trump doesn't win the 2024 nomination, it'll be because a majority of GOP primary voters preferred someone else. Not "the party", not "the elites" or "the establishment", but ordinary voters. So it must be all of us other primary voters who must be "taught that lesson" by this 30%. But exactly what is that lesson we're going to be taught for future elections? That we must vote for whichever future candidate (obviously not Trump) Loomer and her friends chooses to support in future elections? That the rest of us must subordinate our preferences to those of a self-admitted minority? I don't think so....
Truth is, I don't think 30% of the GOP will sit out the 2024 election if Trump isn't the nominee. It'll be some smaller percentage -- perhaps still enough to swing the election -- but not 30%. So personally, I'm just going to call the bluff of those electoral blackmailers, and vote for the most conservative candidate I believe can win. And that won't be Trump.
Why are we playing "Chicken" with ourselves instead of gunning for the Democrats?
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Same dipshits blasted anyone who didn't bow down and kiss the orange oracle's ass in '16 and '20.
A '24 potential loss is all on them now, and we won't forget.
I think what Loomer is saying is in reply to Paul Ryan promising to boycott Trump if he wins the nomination @catfish1957 ---- that Ryan should be careful of the dynamics he is openly putting into play. This same dynamic, should it take hold, has the very real potential to bite Ryan and his candidate in the ass in the 2024 national election.
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Why are we playing "Chicken" with ourselves instead of gunning for the Democrats?
Because this is a battle for control of the GOP and it is between America First and the statist globalists.
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I think what Loomer is saying is in reply to Paul Ryan promising to boycott Trump if he wins the nomination @catfish1957 ---- that Ryan should be careful of the dynamics he is openly putting into play. This same dynamic, should it take hold, has the very real potential to bite Ryan and his candidate in the ass in the 2024 national election.
Outside his Fox gig, which is really more adminstrative than editorial, who really gives a rat's ass what this has-been thinks?
Meh thinks he is missing the spotlight, and trying to sound relevant
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Because this is a battle for control of the GOP and it is between America First and the statist globalists.
Between those two, where does Ronna McDaniel fall?
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But but, not voting for Trump is voting for the democrat, we were ALL beat with that stick, so she is saying that she and 30% of republicans (she can apparently speak for) will be voting for the democrat :silly: :silly: :silly:
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Outside his Fox gig, which is really more adminstrative than editorial, who really gives a rat's ass what this has-been thinks?
Meh thinks he is missing the spotlight, and trying to sound relevant
Doubt it.
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But but, not voting for Trump is voting for the democrat, we were ALL beat with that stick, so she is saying that she and 30% of republicans (she can apparently speak for) will be voting for the democrat :silly: :silly: :silly:
*****rollingeyes*****
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Maj. Martin predicts:
"Truth is, I don't think 30% of the GOP will sit out the 2024 election if Trump isn't the nominee"
I can't speak for the rest, but I can speak for myself.
If Mr. Trump is on the ballot, I'll put my mark there.
You can take that to the bank, sir.
If Mr. DeSantis is on the ballot, I'll [probably] put my mark there.
But anyone else?
Nikki Haley?
That guy with the funny name?
Just about anyone other than that?
Probably not. I'll just leave that spot blank.
I'm done voting for "Republicans" like that.
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Because this is a battle for control of the GOP and it is between America First and the statist globalists.
:mauslaff:
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Because this is a battle for control of the GOP and it is between America First and the statist globalists.
:mauslaff:
You got that right. Control of the GOP, my ass. Trump has been the biggest friend the GOPe ever had. But never forget, it is the GOPe that has been in control of the GOP - not Trump. Ronna McDaniel. Reince Priebus. Mitch McConnell. Kevin McCarthy. Paul Manafort. All supported by Trump.
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:mauslaff:
I answered what I viewed as a legitimate and fair question from you based on real-time information I have. @Kamaji This is not a laughing matter and your response points to ignorance, not wit.
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I answered what I viewed as a legitimate and fair question from you based on real-time information I have. @Kamaji This is not a laughing matter and your response points to ignorance, not wit.
:mauslaff:
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I answered what I viewed as a legitimate and fair question from you based on real-time information I have. @Kamaji This is not a laughing matter and your response points to ignorance, not wit.
So again, where does Ronna McDaniel stand? Does she side with the America First faction or the Statist Globalist faction?
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:mauslaff:
I was hoping for an adult, reasoned conversation with you about this issue @Kamaji Your response is but another disappoinment.
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I was hoping for an adult, reasoned conversation with you about this issue @Kamaji Your response is but another disappoinment.
Speaking of adult, reasoned conversation, I am having difficulty reconciling the reason in this questionable dichotomy you offered when you said:
Because this is a battle for control of the GOP and it is between America First and the statist globalists.
I asked you which side Ronna McDaniel falls on. Which is it?
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Why are we playing "Chicken" with ourselves instead of gunning for the Democrats?
Apparently, because the rest of us need to be taught a "tough lesson".
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Maj. Martin predicts:
"Truth is, I don't think 30% of the GOP will sit out the 2024 election if Trump isn't the nominee"
I can't speak for the rest, but I can speak for myself.
If Mr. Trump is on the ballot, I'll put my mark there.
You can take that to the bank, sir.
If Mr. DeSantis is on the ballot, I'll [probably] put my mark there.
But anyone else?
Nikki Haley?
That guy with the funny name?
Just about anyone other than that?
Probably not. I'll just leave that spot blank.
I'm done voting for "Republicans" like that.
Nothing wrong with not voting for a candidate you don't like. If the only two you can tolerate are Trump and perhaps DeSantis, that's fine.
I was addressing the specific tweet posted by someone above from Loomer, saying that there were 30% or so who would not vote for the GOP nominee unless it was Trump, just to teach the rest of us a "tough lesson".
It's the "teach a lesson" stuff I think is crap. If you think the nominee is terrible, then don't vote for them. But a blanket refusal not to vote for anyone else, just to "teach a lesson", is both irrational and childish.
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Let's go for Round 3, what have we to lose?
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He barely won in 16, against the most hated Woman on this planet. He lost miserably against an Alzheimer's patient that campaigned from his Delaware basement.
How stupid are some of these Folks?
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:hands:
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THAT's really going to leave a mark! :rolling:
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Why are we playing "Chicken" with ourselves instead of gunning for the Democrats?
@Kamaji
Because due to the influx of undercover (and "out in the open) Dims in the RINO Party,circular firing squads are neccessary.
Hell,they are a freaking tradition.
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But but, not voting for Trump is voting for the democrat, we were ALL beat with that stick, so she is saying that she and 30% of republicans (she can apparently speak for) will be voting for the democrat :silly: :silly: :silly:
@GtHawk
If you are going to vote for a Dim anyhow,you might as well go ahead and vote for one that is "out" instead of a Dim pretending to be a Republican.
And trust me,if Trump is not the nominee,it will be one of the "usual RINO suspects" because like it or not,THEY ARE the ones that control the alleged Republican Party.
Don't let that bother any of you,though. Go ahead and vote for a RINO because they are neither orange or rude,if that is what you need to feel better about yourselves.
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Let's go for Round 3, what have we to lose?
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He barely won in 16, against the most hated Woman on this planet. He lost miserably against an Alzheimer's patient that campaigned from his Delaware basement.
How stupid are some of these Folks?
You got to give the Democrats some credit
At least they’re not stupid enough to renominate Hillary Clinton
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@GtHawk
If you are going to vote for a Dim anyhow,you might as well go ahead and vote for one that is "out" instead of a Dim pretending to be a Republican.
And trust me,if Trump is not the nominee,it will be one of the "usual RINO suspects" because like it or not,THEY ARE the ones that control the alleged Republican Party.
Don't let that bother any of you,though. Go ahead and vote for a RINO because they are neither orange or rude,if that is what you need to feel better about yourselves.
Pete, that's not my idea in my post, that is specifically what Trumps greatest advocate told anyone who said they just weren't going to vote for a presidential candidate, they said we were voting for the democrat by abstaining. It looks like you are of the same opinion, and yet there is someone claiming 30% of republicans will abstain from voting the top line if Trump is not the candidate and that's just honky dory. People just can't have it both ways. Oh and I really don't give a rat's ass that Trump is rude, when he uses rude appropriately it's a plus, what I do care about is Trump not being able to control himself and not say stupid ass things.
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How did bolting from the GOP to run as a 3rd party candidate work for Pat Buchanan in 1996?
Trump will be Trump.
Paul Ryan will not be missed.
Ronna McDaniel is Trump's shadow; no substance. Aside from Romney family nepotism, what qualifies Ronna to be GOP national chair? She has yet to preside over a single positive election cycle.
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Nothing wrong with not voting for a candidate you don't like. If the only two you can tolerate are Trump and perhaps DeSantis, that's fine.
I was addressing the specific tweet posted by someone above from Loomer, saying that there were 30% or so who would not vote for the GOP nominee unless it was Trump, just to teach the rest of us a "tough lesson".
It's the "teach a lesson" stuff I think is crap. If you think the nominee is terrible, then don't vote for them. But a blanket refusal not to vote for anyone else, just to "teach a lesson", is both irrational and childish.
Might the lesson be Republican establishment candidates are crap and a significant portion of your base are forever done with them?
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Might the lesson be Republican establishment candidates are crap and a significant portion of your base are forever done with them?
@Right_in_Virginia , where does Ronna McDaniel fall in this? Is she "Republican establishment"?
Again, in your "battle for control of the GOP", is Ronna McDaniel in the "America First" camp or the "statist globalists" camp? I'm "hoping for an adult, reasoned conversation with you about this issue".
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@sneakypete
And trust me,if Trump is not the nominee,it will be one of the "usual RINO suspects" because like it or not, THEY ARE the ones that control the alleged Republican Party.
No, they are not, and 2016 proved that in spades. The "usual RINO suspects" hated and despised Trump in 2016, but couldn't stop him for the simple reason that too few rank and file Republican voters shared that sentiment.
The voters have ultimate control over who wins the nomination. If Trump wins the nomination in 2024, it's because the primary voters wanted him as the nominee for the third straight time. And if Trump loses, it'll be because the voters did not want Trump again. I know it may be more emotionally satisfying to blame a defeat on the evil elites rather than on the free choices made by other voters, but that's just self-delusion.
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Paul Ryan is going to boycott the RNC because Trump??
How can we ever recover from that?
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Paul Ryan is going to boycott the RNC because Trump??
How can we ever recover from that?
I think there are two different ways to look at his comment.
The first way is that he believes that his boycotting Trump's presence would have an adverse impact on Trump's campaign. In which case, I agree with all the criticism of him for believing he is more important than he is. If he just made that comment out of the blue, on his own initiative, than this is the likely explanation.
But if someone asked him a question, and he was just answering honestly, then I don't think it's necessarily fair to criticize him for having an inflated sense of his own importance.
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@sneakypete
No, they are not, and 2016 proved that in spades. The "usual RINO suspects" hated and despised Trump in 2016, but couldn't stop him for the simple reason that too few rank and file Republican voters shared that sentiment.
The voters have ultimate control over who wins the nomination. If Trump wins the nomination in 2024, it's because the primary voters wanted him as the nominee for the third straight time. And if Trump loses, it'll be because the voters did not want Trump again. I know it may be more emotionally satisfying to blame a defeat on the evil elites rather than on the free choices made by other voters, but that's just self-delusion.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Uhhh,yeah. The internationalists are now in total control of the DNC,and mostly control the RNC.
In addition,the left basically controls all aspects of the media.
Yet,you and others like you don't want to "rock the boat" by voting for someone who is not a professional life-long politician.
That's a lot like shooting yourself in the foot before entering a dance contest,and expecting to win.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Uhhh,yeah. The internationalists are now in total control of the DNC,and mostly control the RNC.
In addition,the left basically controls all aspects of the media.
Yet,you and others like you don't want to "rock the boat" by voting for someone who is not a professional life-long politician.
That's a lot like shooting yourself in the foot before entering a dance contest,and expecting to win.
@sneakypete
I'm honestly not sure what point you were trying to make there. My point was that it is primary voters, not the "elites", that decide who the nominee is going to be. Unless you want to argue that the Trumpers like you who voted for Trump in the 2016 primary are actually the RINO elite, how can you dispute that?
Second, I did vote for Trump in both 2016 and 2020. The reason I will not vote for him in 2024 is that he has gone full populists, and I'm not a populist. I'm a small-government conservative.
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Trump endorses Paul Ryan, John McCain
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-endorses-paul-ryan-226729?_amp=true
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@sneakypete
I'm honestly not sure what point you were trying to make there. My point was that it is primary voters, not the "elites", that decide who the nominee is going to be.
@Maj. Bill Martin
An interesting theory. Yes,that IS the way it is supposed to be,but it is a closed game now and it seems like there are a lot of voters that like it that way because it will keep "rude orange man" out of the WH if they stick together and steal another election.
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Trump endorses Paul Ryan, John McCain
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-endorses-paul-ryan-226729?_amp=true
@cato potatoe
Endorsing McLunatic is a GIANT step in the wrong direction.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
An interesting theory. Yes,that IS the way it is supposed to be, but it is a closed game now and it seems like there are a lot of voters that like it that way because it will keep "rude orange man" out of the WH if they stick together and steal another election.
@sneakypete
If there are a "lot of voters" who stick together and vote for someone else, how is that "stealing" another election from Trump versus him just losing to someone else who got more votes?
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Trump endorses Paul Ryan, John McCain
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-endorses-paul-ryan-226729?_amp=true
Many Trumpers are an interesting breed
We are told to ignore many of his liberal positions, his shady character, donations to Democrats including the likes of Harry Reid and Kamala Harris, his endorsement of people like McCain and Ronna McDaniel, ect Ect
But, because DeSantis voted with Ryan a few times and said hello to him a few times, well, that makes him part of the GOP globalist Soros backed RINO establishment. And a picture of a younger Ron DeSantis at a party, where there was some teens that may have been drinking under age, with no context whatsoever, well, that makes Ron DeSantis the lowest of the lowlife individuals, while dismissing Trump’s own and known shady associations, especially with the likes of Jeffrey Epstein
They don’t realize how confused they sound to us. Although I think it’s more panic than anything.
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@sneakypete
If there are a "lot of voters" who stick together and vote for someone else, how is that "stealing" another election from Trump versus him just losing to someone else who got more votes?
Because they believe Trump is entitled to the nomination, and the presidency, and everybody else should just step aside
Hillary Clinton believed she was entitled. It didn’t work out for her very well.
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They don’t realize how confused they sound to us. Although I think it’s more panic than anything.
I would like to know when Paul Ryan became a RINO globalizer. Was it after he left office? Not only did Trump gush about Ryan, but he vetoed zero bills from the 115th congress.
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I would like to know when Paul Ryan became a RINO globalizer. Was it after he left office? Not only did Trump gush about Ryan, but he vetoed zero bills from the 115th congress.
Ryan turned into a RINO globalist in Trump's mind the moment he assigned some blame to Trump for January 6. It's his go-to epithet for anything anyone does that aggravates him, regardless of whether it has anything to do with globalism or not.
Kind of reminds me of my paternal grandfather and communists, where any person who did anything wrong became a communist. When he was living in Florida and the snowbirds all came down for the winter and clogged the roads, they were "communists". If a contractor did his job poorly, he was a communist. And if course, even in the 70's, every Democrat was a communist too.
That's Trump and his use of "RINO/Globalist".
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Ryan turned into a RINO globalist in Trump's mind the moment he assigned some blame to Trump for January 6.
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Nope. It was actually after this @Maj. Bill Martin :
Trump says Paul Ryan reneged on deal to fund border wall
CBS News, Jan 31, 2019
President Trump said in an interview published Wednesday night that former House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., reneged on a deal to fund the border wall while Republicans controlled both houses of Congress. In an interview with the conservative website The Daily Caller, Mr. Trump said Ryan promised to fund the wall if the president signed the 2018 spending bill.
"Well, I was going to veto the omnibus bill and Paul told me in the strongest of language, 'Please don't do that. We'll get you the wall.' And I said, 'I hope you mean that, because I don't like this bill,"' Mr. Trump said. "Paul told me in the strongest of terms that, 'Please sign this and if you sign this we will get you that wall.' Which is desperately needed by our country. Humanitarian crisis, trafficking, drugs, you know, everything — people, criminals, gangs, so, you know, we need the wall."
The president signed the $1.3 trillion spending bill in March to avoid a government shutdown. Hours later, he voiced regrets.
"I will never sign another bill like this again," Mr. Trump said at the time. "I'm not going to do it again. Nobody read it. It's only hours old."
Mr. Trump's comments to the Daily Caller came just days after he inked a bill to reopen the government after a record 35-day shutdown. The bill also didn't include funding for his border wall.
"I was very disappointed in Paul because the wall was so desperately needed. And I'll get the wall," Mr. Trump said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-daily-caller-interview-paul-ryan-border-wall-mueller-investigation-2019-01-31/#
And then Ryan skipped out of town, taking 34 House Republicans with him paving the way for the Pelosi Speakership and the impeachment of President Trump.
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Trump waited until after Ryan left office to make those comments.
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Trump waited until after Ryan left office to make those comments.
The issue was never Ryan and the House, but the Senate. Ryan had put money for the wall in earlier proposals but they could never get it through Senate Democrats who only needed 41 votes to kill it. So either nothing gets passed, or you pass what you can and try to get wall funding later.
You can disagree about which which strategy was better, but calling Ryan a RINO/Globalist for pushing the only deal that could actually get through is just childish. It also highlights one of Trump's worst flaws - that he never really understood the mechanics of government. He was so used to running his own companies where he didn't have to get approval from anyone else that the whole balance of powers is something that seemed to flummox him repeatedly.
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The issue was never Ryan and the House, but the Senate. Ryan had put money for the wall in earlier proposals but they could never get it through Senate Democrats who only needed 41 votes to kill it. So either nothing gets passed, or you pass what you can and try to get wall funding later.
You can disagree about which which strategy was better, but calling Ryan a RINO/Globalist for pushing the only deal that could actually get through is just childish. It also highlights one of Trump's worst flaws - that he never really understood the mechanics of government.
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You can disagree about which which strategy was better, but calling Ryan a RINO/Globalist for pushing the only deal that could actually get through is just childish. It also highlights one of Trump's worst flaws - that he never really understood the mechanics of government.
Nope. You're just wrong. Again.
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@sneakypete
If there are a "lot of voters" who stick together and vote for someone else, how is that "stealing" another election from Trump versus him just losing to someone else who got more votes?
@Maj. Bill Martin
Because they are mindless drones,not conscious,thinking people. They would be Dims,but registered to the wrong party by accident and are too stuborn to admit they made a mistake.
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Because they are mindless drones,not conscious,thinking people. They would be Dims,but registered to the wrong party by accident and are too stuborn to admit they made a mistake.
Neither of which is empirically true at all, @sneakypete .
In my case, I have always thought Tumpy a chooch. And he has done nothing to dissuade me of that. But more than that, What he has done to fiscal conservatism and to libertarianism is more grievous than ANYONE I can think of.
I walked away from Boosh way before his 'Too big to Fail' - But that was certainly his biggest failure of all. Well, that was orders of magnitude beneath Tumpy's cost.
For that ALONE, he deserves no credit, and certainly no second chance.
That is a very legit b*tch and I am certainly not the only one looking at the numbers.
And that alone is NO MISTAKE.
It's a bare fact.
Oh HELL no.
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@sneakypete
So to summarize:
@sneakypete
If there are a "lot of voters" who stick together and vote for someone else, how is that "stealing" another election from Trump versus him just losing to someone else who got more votes?
And your response:
@Maj. Bill Martin
Because they are mindless drones,not conscious,thinking people. They would be Dims,but registered to the wrong party by accident and are too stuborn to admit they made a mistake.
So Republican primary voters who prefer someone other than Trump are not "conscious, thinking people", and if they outvote Trump supporters, then the election has been "stolen" from Trump, and is illegitimate. Glad we got your view of what constitutes a "stolen" election out in the open - It's any election that Trump loses.
Got it!
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For the record, I am not "sold" on anybody at this time. I find the early onset mudflinging very distasteful, and that impacts one candidate today. He and his supporters are driving me away from him. On the other side, Ryan is also driving me somewhere.
Just like 2016...nobody's pulling but rather just pushing me away.
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For the record, I am not "sold" on anybody at this time. I find the early onset mudflinging very distasteful, and that impacts one candidate today. He and his supporters are driving me away from him. On the other side, Ryan is also driving me somewhere.
Just like 2016...nobody's pulling but rather just pushing me away.
That's right. That's REALLY right. It's bad enough to have to put up with in its time. Wading in this early is ridiculous.
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For the record, I am not "sold" on anybody at this time. I find the early onset mudflinging very distasteful, and that impacts one candidate today. He and his supporters are driving me away from him. On the other side, Ryan is also driving me somewhere.
Just like 2016...nobody's pulling but rather just pushing me away.
I think that general sentiment -- just getting tired of all the negativity/mudslinging -- is increasingly common. Best strategy for challengers is just to avoid it for as long as possible.
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I think that general sentiment -- just getting tired of all the negativity/mudslinging -- is increasingly common. Best strategy for challengers is just to avoid it for as long as possible.
Which appears to be DeSantis's strategy.
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That's right. That's REALLY right. It's bad enough to have to put up with in its time. Wading in this early is ridiculous.
And that's right too. Too early in the season for this crap. Can't we have a break here?
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@sneakypete
So to summarize:
And your response:
So Republican primary voters who prefer someone other than Trump are not "conscious, thinking people", and if they outvote Trump supporters, then the election has been "stolen" from Trump, and is illegitimate. Glad we got your view of what constitutes a "stolen" election out in the open - It's any election that Trump loses.
Got it!
@Maj. Bill Martin
Happy to help you get your hissy-fit of the day out of your system.
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For the record, I am not "sold" on anybody at this time.
Same here. I'm leaning towards DeSantis as of now but, should he run, I will hear what he has to say along with his record outside of Trump's 15 year old jilted girl temper tantrums
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For the record, I am not "sold" on anybody at this time. I find the early onset mudflinging very distasteful, and that impacts one candidate today. He and his supporters are driving me away from him. On the other side, Ryan is also driving me somewhere.
Just like 2016...nobody's pulling but rather just pushing me away.
:yowsa: I'm still on the Trump train but barely at this point in time.
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I was at the original Train Station in '15, I knew it would wreck.
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/5f/38/1b/5f381b2ed53fe0b7b349f2d7497da1e3--steam-engine-whistles.jpg)
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Same here. I'm leaning towards DeSantis as of now but, should he run, I will hear what he has to say along with his record outside of Trump's 15 year old jilted girl temper tantrums
Exactly. We are only viewing the Fun House Mirror images of what DeSantis will do.