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DC Clothesline
By Michael Snyder
December 3, 2019
Why does it seem like virtually everyone wants to attack Christian fundamentalists these days? Two weeks ago, Pope Francis made some extremely controversial remarks, but those remarks really didn’t get much attention from the mainstream media. Of course if the Pope had targeted the LGBTQ community or some other favored group, it would have instantly made headlines all over the globe. But he didn’t. Instead, Pope Francis specifically attacked fundamentalists, and in today’s world that is considered to be perfectly okay.
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https://www.dcclothesline.com/2019/12/03/pope-francis-declares-that-christian-fundamentalists-are-a-scourge/
The Pope says 'Fundamentalists' but I do not believe that is what he really means. What he is condemning are people who are actually religious (which he is obviously not), and truly believe in God and the Word of God. According to the Pope's secular beliefs, the Bible offers beneficial moral guidance, but should not be taken too seriously as it is not real.
Who is this guy? Really? He seems to me to be an anti religion One World Government Communist Activist.
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Last Pope?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
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From http://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2019/november/documents/papa-francesco_20191118_dialogo-interreligioso-argentina.html (http://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2019/november/documents/papa-francesco_20191118_dialogo-interreligioso-argentina.html) , here is the paragraph containing those remarks:
ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS POPE FRANCIS
TO PARTICIPANTS AT THE MEETING PROMOTED BY THE
"INSTITUTO PARA EL DIALOGO INTERRELIGIOSO DE LA ARGENTINA" (IDI)
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It is important to demonstrate that we believers are a factor of peace for human societies, and that we will thus respond to those who unjustly accuse religions of fomenting hatred and being the cause of violence. In today’s precarious world, dialogue among religions is not a sign of weakness. It finds its own raison d'être in God’s dialogue with humanity. It is about changing historical attitudes. A scene from The Song of Roland comes to me as a symbol, when the Christians defeat the Muslims and put them all in line in front of the baptismal font, and one with a sword. And Muslims had to choose between baptism or the sword. That is what we Christians did. It was a mentality that today we cannot accept, nor understand, nor can it work anymore. Beware of the fundamentalist groups: everyone has his own. In Argentina too there is a little fundamentalist corner. And let us try, with fraternity, to go forward. Fundamentalism is a scourge and all religions have some kind of fundamentalist first cousin there, which forms a group.
It's the same context in which he alludes to the "Song of Roland" without noting that its context was a battle against an invading Muslim army. If what he cited actually happened, his comment should have been, "That is what we" Catholics "did."
As for "Fundamentalists" he does not know what that means. He probably regards groups as diverse (and different) as Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses, and Pentecostals as "Fundamentalists".
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If the Pope himself, the leader of the Church and the Vicar of Christ cannot be called a 'fundamentalist', then what is he?
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From http://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2019/november/documents/papa-francesco_20191118_dialogo-interreligioso-argentina.html (http://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2019/november/documents/papa-francesco_20191118_dialogo-interreligioso-argentina.html) , here is the paragraph containing those remarks:
It's the same context in which he alludes to the "Song of Roland" without noting that its context was a battle against an invading Muslim army. If what he cited actually happened, his comment should have been, "That is what we" Catholics "did."
As for "Fundamentalists" he does not know what that means. He probably regards groups as diverse (and different) as Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses, and Pentecostals as "Fundamentalists".
Good point. Pope Gregory IX & Ferdinand II weren't 'fundamentalist' Christians.
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Since we have two Popes, is this going to make people safer? Is Pope Francis going to condemn/investigate the many allegations of abuse in his Church? Doesn't look like it, does it? **nononono*
I am probably an old style Catholic. I believe in following the Pope in matters of religion.... not the hatred and one-sided views we keep hearing about.
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If as the article says, there are no Islamic Fundamentalists in Argentina, how could have Jewish centers have been bombed that wreaked much havoc? Sadly.
In 1992 and 1994, two bombs devastated the Argentinean Jewish community and marked the arrival of Middle Eastern terrorism to South America.
The Israeli Embassy in Argentina's capital of Buenos Aires was the site of the first explosion - a car bomb - on March 17, 1992. The attack killed 29 people and injured more than 250 others. Among the victims were Israeli diplomats, children, clergy from a church located across the street, and other passersby. The investigation of the case was assigned to Argentina's Supreme Court and the Chief Justice Ricardo Levene was given the task of investigating and presenting his findings to the court. For over two years, however, the investigation languished and virtually no action was taken, despite the fact that Islamic Jihad had claimed responsibility for the explosion.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/terrorist-bombings-in-argentina (https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/terrorist-bombings-in-argentina)
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Pope Francis Declares That Christian Fundamentalists Are “A Scourge...â€
...But muslims are ok.
Hey... is the pope Catholic...?
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There is supposed to be something new about this? Every Pope in history has said the same,or worse. Back when I was in the army,you had to report in to the unit Chaplin when transferred to another unit so he could try to sign you up for all his pet projects. In this case,the Chaplin happened to be Catholic,and when he asked me what religion I was,rather than insult him by telling him I wasn't religious,I told him "I guess I am a Protestant because my parents are Protestants." His reply was "No,you are a Heathen."
So I changed my religious preferences on my dog tags from "Protestant" to "Heathen". Never even had to report in to any Chaplin's when reporting in to a new unit after that.
I have heard devout Catholics shout "You are going to burn in hell!" to people just because they weren't Catholics.
There is nothing new about this stuff. It's been going on for thousands of years. There was even a war titled "The Reformation" in Europe that lasted for 131 years that began when people split away from the Catholic Church and started Protestant Religions. Truth to tell,the Catholic Church is working to this very day to subvert nations that are majority Protestant or any religion other than Catholic. Many,MANY priests have been connected to Communist Guerilla organizations in South America. Probably the best known are the Maryknoll sect. Some Maryknoll Priests have even been known to transport bombs for the Communist guerillas.
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Pope Francis Declares That Christian Fundamentalists Are “A Scourge...â€
...But muslims are ok.
Hey... is the pope Catholic...?
@Fishrrman
Yes.
https://www.dictionary.com (https://www.dictionary.com) › browse › catholic
Catholic definition, broad or wide-ranging in tastes, interests, or the like; having sympathies with all; broad-minded; liberal. See more.
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This from the leader of the Church that burned Jan Hus at the stake simply because he dared translate the Bible into a language commoners could read.
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This from the leader of the Church that burned Jan Hus at the stake simply because he dared translate the Bible into a language commoners could read.
@Hoodat
Jan Hus was just one of tens of thousands murdered by Catholic Priests,"in the name of God"
I have no idea how Martin Luther was able to stay free.
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Muslims committing genocide against Christians everywhere are the Pope's friend and brother.
Christian fundamentalists are a 'scourge' against humanity.
Way to go there, Mr. Pope. You are a Great leader of the Christian Church.
Let's see...
There is no Satan...Ok
Muslims are Golden Boys who do no wrong...Ok
Religious Christians suck!...Ok
The New Testament has too much God/Jesus stuff in it, and should be rewritten...Ok
Michael Moore and Pelosi are going to be your co-writers...Ok
The Pope wants a "new" New Testament, which emphasizes Socialism over God and that jew Jesus.
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Muslims committing genocide against Christians everywhere are the Pope's friend and brother.
Christian fundamentalists are a 'scourge' against humanity.
Way to go there, Mr. Pope. You are a Great leader of the Christian Church.
Let's see...
There is no Satan...Ok
Muslims are Golden Boys who do no wrong...Ok
Religious Christians suck!...Ok
The New Testament has too much God/Jesus stuff in it, and should be rewritten...Ok
Michael Moore and Pelosi are going to be your co-writers...Ok
The Pope want a "new" New Testament, which emphasizes Socialism over God and that jew Jesus.
Then, regardless of title, the pope isn't Catholic, at least not by what he says.
He's a Socialist (Marxist).
The two are as compatible as Islam and the US Constitution.
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Sunday, December 01, 2019
Pope Francis, 'The Song of Roland' and Imam Al-Tayeb
Two recent incidents in the same week highlighted Pope Francis's upside-down vision about a religion.
Recalling a scene from the famous 11th-century poem "The Song of Roland", in which Christians in Spain threatened Muslims "to choose between baptism or death", Pope Francis recently said, "We must beware of fundamentalist groups; each (religion) has their own. Fundamentalism is a plague and all religions have some fundamentalist first cousin". A few days before that, Pope Francis receivedthe Grand Imam of Al-Azhar, Ahmed Al-Tayeb.
In the first incident, the head of the Catholic Church criticized Christians for converting Muslims ten centuries ago, and implied that every religion has its own faults. In the second incident, the Pope met a religious leader who still threatens death to Muslims who convert to Christianity. "Apostasy is a crime," Imam Al-Tayeb has explained; "an apostate should be asked to repent, and if he does not he should be killed". At least the Egyptian religious leader was up front about it: in the Middle East and North Africa, 14 of the region's 20 countries criminalize apostasy. In addition, Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen -- all Islamic countries -- recommend the death penalty for "atheism". In Algeria, Muslims who convert to Christianity are being persecuted to this day.
https://searchlight-germany.blogspot.com/2019/12/pope-francis-song-of-roland-and-imam-al.html
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John Paul II was made a saint. He was far from being a saint. He condemned the USA when he first became pope, our capitalist system. I dislike the fool from that point forward.
Then they make a Nazi pope. Get real, who would follow these contemptuous people?
And now, an Argentinian communist is pope. Yeah, I'll follow that fool. No thanks.
Bottomline: the catholic church will continue to decline until such time they address the sexual deviants among the ranks of their priests. When I saw the movie Spotlight, I was shocked at the revelation that over 250,000 children in just the USA have been sodomized by catholic priests. The movie mentions one case in the Boston area where all seven children in one family were sodomized by the parish priest, and the church implored the mother to keep it all under wraps, which she did. She submitted to these corrupt b*st*rds. I would have ended all of them if it had been my kids.
Everyone dances around the problem,but it's the sodomites, the communists, and other deviants who are the problem. Not one bit of either is in keeping with Christ's teachings, nor Old Testament law. In case no one noticed, those same groups have infiltrated other institutions, sacred and secular, and frequently have corrupted them as well, yet no one DARE mention that the problem is with those same now 'protected' groups.
Let the Devil in the door, and he lays waste to all within reach.
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John Paul II was made a saint. He was far from being a saint. He condemned the USA when he first became pope, our capitalist system.
He condemned the USA and our system of government because according to OUR laws,the Catholic Church couldn't be a formal part of our government. Which meant they not only couldn't pass laws making them the formal religion,they also had to pay taxes on income.
Basically,the same things Martin Luther went after them on.
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Is it wrong to pray to God to send this pope home? Eh, probably Satan can't stand him either.
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@jafo2010 Some things are endemic. (Go Lions!), right? THat does not make them right.
The more the sort of behaviour that leads to these incidents is 'normalized' in media and 'entertainment', the more it is excused because someone coaches a team that wins football games, the more of it there will be. It is hardly confined to religious institutions, but will be found in 'target rich' environments like schools, churches, and virtually anywhere that youngsters will be exposed to people where they either have no option to not be there, or where those same authority figures who abuse them are given respect for their position. This is why I found the whole idea of homosexual scoutmasters a grievous choice.
This means those vocations will be attractive to those who will perpetrate the sort of crimes that should carry severe penalties, simply because of the opportunities presented by their positions. Predators hunt where prey are plentiful.
I'm not excusing any behaviour by anyone that is out of line, but consider that the Catholic Church, which remains against Homosexual Marriage and abortion in policy, has been the institution to tear down.
Spotlight was made about the Boston Diocese, and keep in mind that the cover-ups extended beyond the Church there, and into government as well.
The halls of power in the United States (and elsewhere) have been corrupted, with those who have no respect for youth, but no regard for the fundamental morality which set the standard for our (Western, Christian, American) society, even though there have ever been deviates.
If that sort of behaviour is to be eliminated from our institutions, it would only make sense to eliminate those most likely to engage in it from consideration for positions where such opportunities abound. However, that not only has not been the case, but those most likely to engage in such behaviour have been, of late, protected and even 'celebrated', to the extent that failure to hire would be seen as 'discrimination'.
Yes, the Catholic Church needs to clean house, but please keep in mind that that is hardly the only institution where the problem is present. look at the 57 flavors or protestant Churches as well. THe absence of a monolith to attack does not mean that the problem isn't present there as well.
Removal of the Statute of Limitations would be a good start.
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OK, this forum is not meant for Catholic bashing. All such posts will be deleted without further notice. These are long established rules here.
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Darn. I was beginning to get homesick for TOS.
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OK, this forum is not meant for Catholic bashing.
@TomSea
Who deserves it more? I can't think of ANY organization more corrupt and power-mad than the Catholic Church,and it has been like that all through history.
Every heard the expression "Speak truth to power!"?
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@TomSea
Who deserves it more? I can't think of ANY organization more corrupt and power-mad than the Catholic Church,and it has been like that all through history.
Every heard the expression "Speak truth to power!"?
Ever heard that there are dedicated religious forums on the internet? Maybe we don't care to hear all of this vented on Mormons, etc.
We vent on Islam, it's true, FGM, polygamy and so on from time to time. But at least, usually, it is on topic, not just coming into any thread with a general rant.
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Ever heard that there are dedicated religious forums on the internet? Maybe we don't care to hear all of this vented on Mormons, etc.
We vent on Islam, it's true, FGM, polygamy and so on from time to time. But at least, usually, it is on topic, not just coming into any thread with a general rant.
@TomSea
If my post to you was not "on topic",then your post I was responding to was off-topic.
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Nobody was referring to your post at least, as a general rant,
Back to the main article, I've heard people say "All fundamentalists are bad" and lumping in Taliban and so forth. That the Pope said this in Argentina where there have been two bombings by Islamic fundamentalists killing many people does not mean he is exclusively talking of Christian fundamentalists. In fact, so what if he said this in Argentina? That's just reading things into it. Again, he could be talking about more Traditional Catholics as well, Latin Masses and all of that. There might be many more of those in Argentina than "Fundamental Baptists" for example though, I'm sure they are there.
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Some observations:
* the Pope is a Man and as such, created w/Original Sin.
* as Pope, his words are infallible only when he speaks
"Ex-Cathedra", from his Chair in the Vatican on matters involving
Faith and/or Morals, as all other matters are his personal opinion.
* This 82 year old Pope is a Man of the left, being raised in the
Buenos Aires of Juan Peron.
* The core problem is the corruption within the College of Cardinals,
the electors of the Pope and it has been so for the last half-century.
Indeed the Papacy has given the world some fools, incompetents and misfits.
Yet it has also produced far more wise heads who have advanced both the
RC Church and humanity given its long list of world ranking scholars in
Architecture, in Philosophy and Logic as well as Science.
This Pontiff shall pass, likely much sooner than later!!!
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Oddly enough, this "Pope" is the very definition of a 'fundamentalist'
He is by all thoughts and considerations, a Marxists Agitator.
White smoke, Black smoke, I don't care.
Smoke this crazy 'I don't know' Pope while you can.
He is insane.
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Someone ought to tell the pope about Matthew 18:20. Of course, someone ought to tell the fundamentalists about it as well, since they often question the validity of gay churches and whatnot. Christ was pretty clear about all that was necessary for Him to recognize a congregation.
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Last Pope?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
Seems this one wants resurrect the wars around the Reformation that boiled over 500 years ago.
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Someone ought to tell the pope about Matthew 18:20. Of course, someone ought to tell the fundamentalists about it as well, since they often question the validity of gay churches and whatnot. Christ was pretty clear about all that was necessary for Him to recognize a congregation.
So 2 or 3 persons would have given the West the Bible? Alright.
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I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump. I ran over and said: "Stop. Don't do it."
"Why shouldn't I?" he asked.
"Well, there's so much to live for!"
"Like what?"
"Are you religious?"
He said: "Yes."
I said: "Me too. Are you Christian or Buddhist?"
"Christian."
"Me too. Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
"Protestant."
"Me too. Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"
"Baptist."
"Wow. Me too. Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?"
"Baptist Church of God."
"Me too. Are you original Baptist Church of God, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?"
"Reformed Baptist Church of God."
"Me too. Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?"
He said: "Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915."
I said: "Die, heretic scum," and pushed him off.
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@TomSea
Who deserves it more? I can't think of ANY organization more corrupt and power-mad than the Catholic Church,and it has been like that all through history.
Every heard the expression "Speak truth to power!"?
You should spend more time looking at the UN and our own Congress. Sheesh!
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A pox on all houses.
This is just another example of what happens when Torah is subsumed by tradition.
The predictable end is after all, predictable. In fact - It is written.
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Locked.
You are welcome to hold a discussion in another area of the board, going full apologetics is not the place for this. We know we've been told numerous times, this is not a religious forum.
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Pope Francis Compares Trump To Herod, Who Tried To Kill Jesus
(Breitbart) – Pope Francis has compared U.S. President Donald Trump to the murderous King Herod who massacred innocent children in ancient Palestine while trying to kill the baby Jesus, a Jesuit journal revealed Thursday.
Speaking with his brother Jesuits during his recent visit to Thailand, the Argentinian pope minced no words in his thinly veiled condemnation of the U.S. president and his administration, suggesting that like a modern-day Herod, Mr. Trump separates families at the border while allowing drugs to freely flow into the country.
“In other parts there are walls that even separate children from parents. Herod comes to mind,†Francis said. “Yet for drugs, there’s no wall to keep them out.â€
https://rightcountry.com/pope-francis-compares-trump-to-herod-who-tried-to-kill-jesus/
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FU.
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This guy must be eating democrat party Bean Salad every day. :facepalm2:
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Topic merged. If you are going to post anti- Pope Francis articles, they can go here. It would be nice to think about others here, instead of just dumping these anti-Pope articles. This is more about immigration too but I won't move this article. @rangerrebew