The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Machiavelli on June 12, 2014, 07:16:27 pm
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David R. Baker
San Francisco Chronicle
June 12, 2014
Texas Gov. Rick Perry, speaking in San Francisco on Wednesday night, said the U.S. would better serve its diverse population by letting the states handle many economic and social policies, a point he perhaps inadvertently drove home when he compared homosexuality to alcoholism.
More (http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/In-S-F-Rick-Perry-compares-homosexuality-to-5546544.php)
Not this crap again. (http://i.imgur.com/KTBRuW0.gif)
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Here's the context:
Perry, a former and potential future GOP presidential candidate, was then asked whether he believed homosexuality was a disorder.
The paper says that the governor responded that “whether or not you feel compelled to follow a particular lifestyle or not, you have the ability to decide not to do that.”
He said: “I may have the genetic coding that I’m inclined to be an alcoholic, but I have the desire not to do that, and I look at the homosexual issue the same way.”
How is that "crap"? He's talking about temptation. An alcoholic who yields to the temptation to drink an alcoholic beverage, or a person with homosexual desires who yields to the temptation to engage in sexual activity with a person of the same sex has decided to do so. Some of us comprehend what he's saying. It is the act, not the inclination, that is the sin.1 Corinthians 6:9-11
New International Version (NIV)
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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Heh-heh! He won't win any friends from that demographic with that comment, but we don't really want them here. They're all liberals.
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I really like Perry and he has a right to say what he wants about gays. I am tired of people wanting to shut down what anyone says about gays as if they are a privileged group. I am tired of political correctness which is just a way to try to control people. I don't care what anyone says but gays are not normal and it is not a normal way of life. I don't hate them I just feel sorry for them and hate their lifestyle.
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I really like Perry and he has a right to say what he wants about gays. I am tired of people wanting to shut down what anyone says about gays as if they are a privileged group. I am tired of political correctness which is just a way to try to control people. I don't care what anyone says but gays are not normal and it is not a normal way of life. I don't hate them I just feel sorry for them and hate their lifestyle.
Amen! :hands:
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I really like Perry and he has a right to say what he wants about gays. I am tired of people wanting to shut down what anyone says about gays as if they are a privileged group. I am tired of political correctness which is just a way to try to control people. I don't care what anyone says but gays are not normal and it is not a normal way of life. I don't hate them I just feel sorry for them and hate their lifestyle.
goopo
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Here's the context:How is that "crap"? He's talking about temptation. An alcoholic who yields to the temptation to drink an alcoholic beverage, or a person with homosexual desires who yields to the temptation to engage in sexual activity with a person of the same sex has decided to do so. Some of us comprehend what he's saying. It is the act, not the inclination, that is the sin.
I read that. I think that if asked, he should decline to comment on such matters.
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I really like Perry and he has a right to say what he wants about gays. I am tired of people wanting to shut down what anyone says about gays as if they are a privileged group. I am tired of political correctness which is just a way to try to control people. I don't care what anyone says but gays are not normal and it is not a normal way of life. I don't hate them I just feel sorry for them and hate their lifestyle.
I don't consider gays to be a privileged group.
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I really like Perry and he has a right to say what he wants about gays. I am tired of people wanting to shut down what anyone says about gays as if they are a privileged group. I am tired of political correctness which is just a way to try to control people. I don't care what anyone says but gays are not normal and it is not a normal way of life. I don't hate them I just feel sorry for them and hate their lifestyle.
It has absolutely nothing to do with anybody trying to shut down what Rick Perry...or anyone wants to say about the GLT issue.
It's that we expect our potential POTUS candidates to use their damned brains that God gave them and deflect 'gotcha' questions.
He should have deflected the question and merely stated that God loves all of his 'children'. Period. Next question.
To call it akin to a drug addiction can mortally wound him...as far as being a viable candidate.
He should limit all discussions to the economy and tax structure they enjoy in Texas today. Screw the social issue...especially the Gay issue(s).
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BTW, if you read the rest of the article you'll see that he makes good points on other topics.
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Boo hoo. The little homos constantly get offended anytime someone doesn't embrace their perversions.
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It has absolutely nothing to do with anybody trying to shut down what Rick Perry...or anyone wants to say about the GLT issue.
It's that we expect our potential POTUS candidates to use their damned brains that God gave them and deflect 'gotcha' questions.
He should have deflected the question and merely stated that God loves all of his 'children'. Period. Next question.
To call it akin to a drug addiction can mortally wound him...as far as being a viable candidate.
He should limit all discussions to the economy and tax structure they enjoy in Texas today. Screw the social issue...especially the Gay issue(s).
Agree on all points. Thank you. You said what I was not articulate enough to say.
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Screw the social issue...especially the Gay issue(s).
Do you really expect so-cons to do that?
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Personally, I don't think Perry's point of view is outside the mainstream. It is outside of what is considered "appropriate" political discourse these days, but I doubt Perry would be able to break through the media clutter unless he did express a controversial point of view now and then. I don't see this as a negative for Perry at all. It is well known that he is an evangelical. I think people would be surprised if he did not think homosexuality was a sin.
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Here are Gallup poll data, over many years.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx
The SoCon position is increasingly at odds, with public opinions.
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Here's the context:How is that "crap"? He's talking about temptation. An alcoholic who yields to the temptation to drink an alcoholic beverage, or a person with homosexual desires who yields to the temptation to engage in sexual activity with a person of the same sex has decided to do so. Some of us comprehend what he's saying. It is the act, not the inclination, that is the sin.
In fact, homosexual activity is nothing like alcoholism. Alcoholism is an addiction, a disease that is, in most cases, out of the control of the addict. "Just stop drinking" is a silly thing to say to an alcoholic.
Homosexual activity is a willful choice that one makes.
GOP politicians have still not learned to steer clear of these controversial topics. Perry believes what he says, no matter how wrong it is.
He's not going to be the GOP nominee anyway, so maybe it doesn't matter.
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I think that if asked, he should decline to comment on such matters.
I agree. It was a no-win question.
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I agree. It was a no-win question.
How could he not know that it was just one of a dozen set up questions that the Left always asks people they do not like? How could he not know that?
When they ask you one of these, it does not matter how you answer. They will edit and distort whatever you say to suit their purpose.
Perry could have said anything, and they would slaughter him. Does he really not know that by now?
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I really like Perry and he has a right to say what he wants about gays. I am tired of people wanting to shut down what anyone says about gays as if they are a privileged group. I am tired of political correctness which is just a way to try to control people. I don't care what anyone says but gays are not normal and it is not a normal way of life. I don't hate them I just feel sorry for them and hate their lifestyle.
goopo
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I really like Perry and he has a right to say what he wants about gays. I am tired of people wanting to shut down what anyone says about gays as if they are a privileged group. I am tired of political correctness which is just a way to try to control people. I don't care what anyone says but gays are not normal and it is not a normal way of life. I don't hate them I just feel sorry for them and hate their lifestyle.
Fair enough, raml....
...but you shouldn't expect or demand that your chosen candidate articulate in agreement...words that would support your personal opinion [above bold text]. Not publicly.
For chrissakes, knowing he's a God-fearing Christian who would turn this country around isn't enough for you?
Why put him in that kind of predicament where he's setting himself up for public ridicule?
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Fair enough, raml....
...but you shouldn't expect or demand that your chosen candidate articulate in agreement...words that would support your personal opinion [above bold text]. Not publicly.
For chrissakes, knowing he's a God-fearing Christian who would turn this country around isn't enough for you?
Why put him in that kind of predicament where he's setting himself up for public ridicule?
I don't know, DC. I think that a big part of why we are in the mess (certainly not the only reason, by far) is that as a society (especially what we used to consider normal, healthy red-blooded Americans) have been too cowed into attempting to "hide" what our true beliefs are. Where has that gotten us??
(After all, we all know that this so called "political correctness" crap is more properly called Cultural Marxism. What say we stop bowing to it, once and for all?)
Screw public ridicule... our side is going to get it no matter what we say, try to "hide" it or not.... there is some segment of the population that will never vote for the beliefs and principles of "normal, healthy red-blooded Americans" any more, there is nothing that we can say, or not say, to change that. Let's get a guy or gal out there front and center (like a Perry) that is willing to just be himself and let the chips fall where they may. Hell, we've gotten nowhere fast trying to run candidates that stand for everything (and hence nothing), or try to "craft a public image" at odds with reality. My bet is there is a decent size percentage of voters out there (well beyond the walls of this, or any other, message forum), just dying to vote for a guy or gal like that!! (And if that is wrong, then we are beyond cooked anyway... lol)
How much can we say that we "believe" in the principles we espouse if we aren't willing to stand up for them publicly??
Just food for thought...
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In truth, a comparison of alcoholism to homosexuality is supported on many levels. And perhaps Gov Perry believes a similarity exists in that each behavior may have a genetic link. After all, everything we are is coded in our genes. Notice I said everything we are, not everything we do.
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How much can we say that we "believe" in the principles we espouse if we aren't willing to stand up for them publicly??
Just food for thought...
Isn't there a huge difference between having principles and insisting that everyone else have the same ones? Wasn't America supposed to be a country of freedom where we each could follow our own beliefs? What makes us different than totalitarian regimes if we can't allow people who disagree with us freedom too?
Doesn't our Constitution mean anything anymore?
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Isn't there a huge difference between having principles and insisting that everyone else have the same ones? Wasn't America supposed to be a country of freedom where we each could follow our own beliefs? What makes us different than totalitarian regimes if we can't allow people who disagree with us freedom too?
Doesn't our Constitution mean anything anymore?
No one (certainly not I) said anything about insisting that everyone else have the same principles or beliefs. Those that don't will vote for someone else, someone that stands up and represents their principles and beliefs, hopefully.
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In truth, a comparison of alcoholism to homosexuality is supported on many levels. And perhaps Gov Perry believes a similarity exists in that each behavior may have a genetic link. After all, everything we are is coded in our genes. Notice I said everything we are, not everything we do.
Only if one believes that homosexuality is an addiction. I'd love to see the research that purports to prove that.
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No one (certainly not I) said anything about insisting that everyone else have the same principles or beliefs. Those that don't will vote for someone else, someone that stands up and represents their principles and beliefs, hopefully.
My point is that any principles or beliefs, beyond the subjects listed in the Constitution, are not appropriate for political discussion. I have my own principles - conservative ones at that - but I'd vote for someone who has totally different beliefs as long as they agreed that personal beliefs are not a matter for fed'l gov't regulation.
Gov't and religion are separate subjects. I vote for politicians who agree with me on gov't and my friends are people who agree with me on religion. They're not always the same people.
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My point is that any principles or beliefs, beyond the subjects listed in the Constitution, are not appropriate for political discussion. I have my own principles - conservative ones at that - but I'd vote for someone who has totally different beliefs as long as they agreed that personal beliefs are not a matter for fed'l gov't regulation.
Gov't and religion are separate subjects. I vote for politicians who agree with me on gov't and my friends are people who agree with me on religion. They're not always the same people.
Oh, I am glad that you clarified, you and I are pretty much in total agreement! I have to admit that I didn't listen/watch to Perry's whole speech/presser, nor read a transcript, so I am only reacting to what has been quoted here, and really bouncing off of DC's post. I have no idea as to whether Perry talked about making any of these topics a government issue (I tend to think that he didn't, nor would he ever). I suspect the only reason it even came up was because he was asked a gotcha question. My point is that he should be free to support his own beliefs and stand by them, not attempt to hide them. And that we need to stop being afraid to support our public figures that do just that. In general, our side has been running scared from what we claim to believe...
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Only if one believes that homosexuality is an addiction. I'd love to see the research that purports to prove that.
Exactly, Sink! it would be a great start.
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Oh, I am glad that you clarified, you and I are pretty much in total agreement! I have to admit that I didn't listen/watch to Perry's whole speech/presser, nor read a transcript, so I am only reacting to what has been quoted here, and really bouncing off of DC's post. I have no idea as to whether Perry talked about making any of these topics a government issue (I tend to think that he didn't, nor would he ever). I suspect the only reason it even came up was because he was asked a gotcha question. My point is that he should be free to support his own beliefs and stand by them, not attempt to hide them. And that we need to stop being afraid to support our public figures that do just that. In general, our side has been running scared from what we claim to believe...
There's a difference between being a proud, practicing God-fearing Christian...who's not afraid to articulate his belief system on homosexuality, and a candidate who's not smart enough to keep his opinions to himself.
Especially one who, last time around couldn't remember "The three (3) agencies we need to eliminate or overhaul.....", and he couldn't for the life of him come up with the 3rd one.
He needs to be the freaking Marlboro Man. Not Rainman.
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Only if one believes that homosexuality is an addiction. I'd love to see the research that purports to prove that.
I don't think Perry said that homosexuality is an addiction. I think he said that there is a genetic predisposition toward the behavior, just as there is toward alcoholism.
If he had mentioned addiction, it would be valid. Sex addiction is fairly common among gays. Not all gay sex is sex addiction, just as not all drinking of alcohol is addiction. Within the gay community, there is great recognition that they have a problem when it comes to sex addiction.
http://prideinstituteflorida.com/mental-health/sexual-health/
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Oh, I am glad that you clarified, you and I are pretty much in total agreement! I have to admit that I didn't listen/watch to Perry's whole speech/presser, nor read a transcript, so I am only reacting to what has been quoted here, and really bouncing off of DC's post. I have no idea as to whether Perry talked about making any of these topics a government issue (I tend to think that he didn't, nor would he ever). I suspect the only reason it even came up was because he was asked a gotcha question. My point is that he should be free to support his own beliefs and stand by them, not attempt to hide them. And that we need to stop being afraid to support our public figures that do just that. In general, our side has been running scared from what we claim to believe...
Oh, OK. We are thinking alike. But I think the reason Perry was asked the question is because the Texas GOP just endorsed gay conversion therapy. That's a controversial topic in any case, but I think there is no place for a discussion about it in politics. Perry was pretty much agreeing with the position that it is an appropriate political topic when he agreed to answer the question. And he certainly did sound like he supported the therapy.
When one group of GOPers makes a political statement about a social issue, then every GOP politician has to assume that questions related to that issue are "gotcha" questions, and be very careful about what he or she says. Perry didn't.
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I really like Perry and he has a right to say what he wants about gays. I am tired of people wanting to shut down what anyone says about gays as if they are a privileged group. I am tired of political correctness which is just a way to try to control people. I don't care what anyone says but gays are not normal and it is not a normal way of life. I don't hate them I just feel sorry for them and hate their lifestyle.
Hear! Hear!
Kudos for a good post.
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I don't think Perry said that homosexuality is an addiction. I think he said that there is a genetic predisposition toward the behavior, just as there is toward alcoholism.
If he had mentioned addiction, it would be valid. Sex addiction is fairly common among gays. Not all gay sex is sex addiction, just as not all drinking of alcohol is addiction. Within the gay community, there is great recognition that they have a problem when it comes to sex addiction.
http://prideinstituteflorida.com/mental-health/sexual-health/
There have always been promiscuous people. In every class and category. Men and women. Rich or poor and everything in between.
Some people just like sex.
It would also follow then, that there would be over-sexed individuals among the gay world.
And it would include the 'dominant' partner vs. the submissive partner.
That's a lot of people. :laugh:
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Please take a look at this: Raw Video: Texas Gov. Perry Addresses Homosexuality In SF Appearance (http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/video/10261035-raw-video-texas-gov-perry-addresses-homosexuality-in-sf-appearance/)
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Katzenjammer wrote above:
[[ I think that a big part of why we are in the mess (certainly not the only reason, by far) is that as a society (especially what we used to consider normal, healthy red-blooded Americans) have been too cowed into attempting to "hide" what our true beliefs are. Where has that gotten us?? ]]
Pat Buchanan was right on about the "kulturkampf" back in 1992 at the Republican convention (it was '92, right?), and his words are more apropro today than they were back then.
It doesn't matter that the left will ridicule conservatives for their beliefs and values. That's their modus operandi.
We believe what we believe.
If the left doesn't like it, too bad.
If conservatives try to modify their beliefs to mollify the left, they will find themselves disappearin' faster than the Cheshire Cat.
And their numbers and influence will be blowin' away faster than a dry sand castle in a hurricane...
Good on Rick Perry for speaking his mind in the devil's den !!
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We believe what we believe.
If the left doesn't like it, too bad.
We also need to live in the real world where winning elections is important.
Macho bravado might make you feel good but it doesn't do any good.
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There have always been promiscuous people. In every class and category. Men and women. Rich or poor and everything in between.
Some people just like sex.
It would also follow then, that there would be over-sexed individuals among the gay world.
And it would include the 'dominant' partner vs. the submissive partner.
That's a lot of people. :laugh:
True. But the absolute truth of the matter is that sex addiction is a much bigger problem among gays than it is among straights:
http://blogs.psychcentral.com/sex/2012/06/sexual-freedom-vs-sexual-addiction-the-gay-male-conundrum/ (http://blogs.psychcentral.com/sex/2012/06/sexual-freedom-vs-sexual-addiction-the-gay-male-conundrum/)
The high correlation between propensity to sex addiction and being a homosexual male supports the hypothesis of linkage between sex addiction and being gay. Thus, homosexuality itself could be an addictive behavior for some people (about 10 percent of all gay men, if the link is to be believed).
What percentage of all drinkers are alcoholics?
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I really like Perry and he has a right to say what he wants about gays. I am tired of people wanting to shut down what anyone says about gays as if they are a privileged group. I am tired of political correctness which is just a way to try to control people. I don't care what anyone says but gays are not normal and it is not a normal way of life. I don't hate them I just feel sorry for them and hate their lifestyle.
just out of curiosity, how many gay people have you actually met?
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Open Mouth. Insert Foot.
If you're a republican: Repeat ad nauseam.
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True. But the absolute truth of the matter is that sex addiction is a much bigger problem among gays than it is among straights:
What do you think of the contention by some that if gays were allowed to marry - or at least have civil unions - that this wouldn't be true?
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What do you think of the contention by some that if gays were allowed to marry - or at least have civil unions - that this wouldn't be true?
I think it's a very fair question
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True. But the absolute truth of the matter is that sex addiction is a much bigger problem among gays than it is among straights:
http://blogs.psychcentral.com/sex/2012/06/sexual-freedom-vs-sexual-addiction-the-gay-male-conundrum/ (http://blogs.psychcentral.com/sex/2012/06/sexual-freedom-vs-sexual-addiction-the-gay-male-conundrum/)
The high correlation between propensity to sex addiction and being a homosexual male supports the hypothesis of linkage between sex addiction and being gay. Thus, homosexuality itself could be an addictive behavior for some people (about 10 percent of all gay men, if the link is to be believed).
What percentage of all drinkers are alcoholics?
Ten percent.
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Open Mouth. Insert Foot.
If you're a republican: Repeat ad nauseam.
It's not that we're being perceived as being anti-religious when you say that.
Of course, 'we' couldn't care less what anyone's person POV is on homosexuality.
Thinking back....there's a great moment in the movie Enemy of the State, where the senior law partners of the Law Firm are getting ready to release Will Smith (Robert Dean).....(a rogue CIA team has framed him with photos, etc.)
They ask him across the conference room table..."Are you having an affair with......?"
He doesn't miss a beat and retorts something like, "Tom...how many times a week do you cheat on your wife? Masturbate??
Not giving an opportunity for an answer, he adds, "That's right! It's none of my DAMNED business!! And neither is my friendship with........."
Perry would NEVER get a question like that again, had he done that.
That's what the Marlboro Man would do.
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I really like Perry and he has a right to say what he wants about gays. I am tired of people wanting to shut down what anyone says about gays as if they are a privileged group. I am tired of political correctness which is just a way to try to control people. I don't care what anyone says but gays are not normal and it is not a normal way of life. I don't hate them I just feel sorry for them and hate their lifestyle.
The point is that as commentary like this mounts up, so does the argument in support of making them a protected group.
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Who decided that "conservatism" had adopted the religious position of certain denominations, as essential political dogma?
Which section of the constitution covers sexual topics?
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What Governor Perry is talking about are traits although he doesn't use the word. Traits account for everything we are and how we do everything. They even determine the most mundane of personal attributes like how you laugh.
Mother Nature is a strange ole gal. She constantly experiments with traits in every product (carbon unit) that she produces, over eons of time. We call it evolution.
When she makes a slip up and assigns too many traits in the wrong proportions, she makes a homosexual male or female OR a genius or an imbecile OR anything else that a combination of traits will produce.
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What Governor Perry is talking about are traits although he doesn't use the word. Traits account for everything we are and how we do everything. They even determine the most mundane of personal attributes like how you laugh.
Mother Nature is a strange ole gal. She constantly experiments with traits in every product (carbon unit) that she produces, over eons of time. We call it evolution.
When she makes a slip up and assigns too many traits in the wrong proportions, she makes a homosexual male or female OR a genius or an imbecile OR anything else that a combination of traits will produce.
That's right... explaining that gays are actually evolutionary errors will make them seem less of a protected class in the eyes of the law.
It's amazing.
With all the crap going on around the world, and all the crap going on in this country, we want to talk about homosexuals.
The debt stands at $14.5 trillion dollars. Let's talk about homosexuals instead.
The real total unemployment rate in America stands at 37.2%. Let's talk about homosexuals.
Al Qaeda is on the rise, bigger and better than before. Let's talk about homosexuals instead.
Benghazi, the VA, the IRS, Fast and Furious, credit downgrades, Rosengate, Solyndra. Let's talk about homosexuals instead.
Unsecured borders. Let's talk about homosexuals instead.
Something very similar to the U.S.S.R. growing to the East. Let's talk about homosexuals instead.
Good idea.
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It might be that Perry is purposefully reaching out to the Christian base of the GOP. The 2016 Republican nominee needs to win primaries first.
I don't really care about homosexuality. It doesn't offend my Christian values because I don't care to judge the gays. That doesn't make me a supporter of to the gay cause.
Perry's comments don't bother me in the least. I don't think it hurts his brand in 2016, and I see no need to condemn him as being inarticulate or ineptly falling into the media trap. I'm not certain Perry was off message.
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That's right... explaining that gays are actually evolutionary errors will make them seem less of a protected class in the eyes of the law.
It's amazing.
With all the crap going on around the world, and all the crap going on in this country, we want to talk about homosexuals.
The debt stands at $14.5 trillion dollars. Let's talk about homosexuals instead.
The real total unemployment rate in America stands at 37.2%. Let's talk about homosexuals.
Al Qaeda is on the rise, bigger and better than before. Let's talk about homosexuals instead.
Benghazi, the VA, the IRS, Fast and Furious, credit downgrades, Rosengate, Solyndra. Let's talk about homosexuals instead.
Unsecured borders. Let's talk about homosexuals instead.
Something very similar to the U.S.S.R. growing to the East. Let's talk about homosexuals instead.
Good idea.
Do you recall when Stephanapolos (sp?) asked the question about birth control to the Republican candidates, out of the blue? Next thing you know, that bimbo Fluke, stops having sex long enough to become a media example? Have no doubt, that's what's coming out!
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Ten percent.
Well, then, there you go. Valid comparison.
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It might be that Perry is purposefully reaching out to the Christian base of the GOP. The 2016 Republican nominee needs to win primaries first.
I don't really care about homosexuality. It doesn't offend my Christian values because I don't care to judge the gays. That doesn't make me a supporter of to the gay cause.
Perry's comments don't bother me in the least. I don't think it hurts his brand in 2016, and I see no need to condemn him as being inarticulate or ineptly falling into the media trap. I'm not certain Perry was off message.
Perry was asked the question by a "member of the audience".
Read the news about the response, the news... not the conservative blogosphere.
If you adhere to the idea of the media as an extension of the progressive movement, questions like these are set ups to create talking points which drive the debate away from the issues I listed in my response, as well as a rallying cry to liberals, progressives and moderates who read that Perry (by extension the TEA Party and by extension all conservatives) thinks that homosexuality is a curable "disease" and paints everyone to the right of Adlai Stevenson as a raging political right-wing Neanderthal.
That the Christian "base" of the GOP would be looking for a political candidate to support based on their views on homosexuality rather than on whether or not this candidate could manage the fiscal needs of the nation, provide clear and strong foreign policies, work on creating an environment that encourages increased manufacturing and employment, enforce our laws and defend our Constitution, is simply baffling.
It would be like this "base" refusing to support a candidate who could do all the things I just mentioned simply based on the fact that he was a Mormon.
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Do you recall when Stephanapolos (sp?) asked the question about birth control to the Republican candidates, out of the blue? Next thing you know, that bimbo Fluke, stops having sex long enough to become a media example? Have no doubt, that's what's coming out!
You're right ONC. These issues don't just fall out of the sky and hit a "journalist" in the head - these are talking points handed down from on high - there is a method to their madness.