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Title: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: mystery-ak on November 15, 2018, 03:29:19 pm
Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
by Sean Higgins
 | November 14, 2018 06:26 PM



Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., will introduce legislation Thursday with Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., intended to force Walmart to pay workers at least $15 an hour. The bill would institute fines for corporations that buy back their own stock unless they set their workers' base pay at that level.

"Last year, 4 members of the Walton family of Walmart made $12.7 billion in 1 day. It would take a full-time Walmart worker making $11/hr over 653,000 years to make that much. Thursday, @RepRoKhanna and I are introducing legislation to make Walmart pay its workers a living wage," Sanders tweeted Tuesday.

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Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Wingnut on November 15, 2018, 03:33:38 pm
Didn't walmart workers reject this scam in other socialist run cities where 15 bucks is mandatory.  The employees lost their bonuses and ended up making less money in the end.

Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: edpc on November 15, 2018, 04:03:24 pm
Two things are likely to happen – products will get more expensive and workers will get less hours.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: austingirl on November 15, 2018, 04:07:52 pm
Another overreach. But Congress had freely ignored the bounds of the Constitution for decades.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: jmyrlefuller on November 15, 2018, 04:21:13 pm
Two things are likely to happen – products will get more expensive and workers will get less hours.
And those hours will get odder and stranger.

In the job listings, I found ads for package handler positions at shipping companies. The pay is $15 an hour—that sounds great, doesn't it? Except, well, they only offer 15 hours a week. You end up making less on that third-shift job than you would making the minimum wage in most states and getting a full-time 40-hour week... and you can bet the management is going to work you harder just to get their money's worth.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: GrouchoTex on November 15, 2018, 04:29:00 pm
Two things are likely to happen – products will get more expensive and workers will get less hours.

Agreed
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Sanguine on November 15, 2018, 04:45:41 pm
Two things are likely to happen – products will get more expensive and workers will get less hours.

And a third thing - unskilled workers, like teenagers, will have less opportunities to find a job.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on November 15, 2018, 04:47:18 pm
We really need to require all legislation to point out where in the Constitution the justification for said legislation exists.

In this case, there is none.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: roamer_1 on November 15, 2018, 04:48:45 pm
We really need to require all legislation to point out where in the Constitution the justification for said legislation exists.

In this case, there is none.

In fact, it will promptly be thrown out by the court, if it ever gets past a bill.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Sanguine on November 15, 2018, 04:50:10 pm
We really need to require all legislation to point out where in the Constitution the justification for said legislation exists.

In this case, there is none.

I like that idea.  Hmmm....
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: XenaLee on November 15, 2018, 05:46:11 pm
Bernie longs for a Castro/Chavez-style government wherein leftist elitists (commies) dictate which business is allowed to thrive and which is slave to the big G government.  And if Bernie and others like him get their way, America will get there.... eventually.  And they have enough stooges (useful idiots) that will go along with that agenda .... thinking that they will be allowed to subject their fellow citizens, whom they hate, to the whims and dictates of the "Government". 
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Emjay on November 15, 2018, 06:02:06 pm
And a third thing - unskilled workers, like teenagers, will have less opportunities to find a job.

And a fourth thing; I don't think the government can force one company to pay a certain amount to their employees.  It cannot be done.

The only possibility would be to pass an across the board minimum wage and that would be a disaster for all the reasons noted above.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: dfwgator on November 15, 2018, 06:14:12 pm
Two things are likely to happen – products will get more expensive and workers will get less hours.

Say hello to more self-service checkouts.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: edpc on November 15, 2018, 07:00:44 pm
And a fourth thing; I don't think the government can force one company to pay a certain amount to their employees.  It cannot be done.


It’s only been going on since 1912, when Massachusetts passed the first minimum wage law.    *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Emjay on November 15, 2018, 07:02:11 pm

It’s only been going on since 1912, when Massachusetts passed the first minimum wage law.    *****rollingeyes*****

I was talking about singling out one company but any minimum wage law should be unconstitutional.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Wingnut on November 15, 2018, 07:14:55 pm
I was talking about singling out one company but any minimum wage law should be unconstitutional.

Bernie 's constitution was written by Marx.  "The Communist Manifesto"
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: DCPatriot on November 15, 2018, 07:23:47 pm
We have a local ice-cream chain named Bruster's.

After you give them your card before you sign, you are given the option to add a 20%, 15% or 10% tip to your purchase.

This is before the cashier becomes the person handpacking your pint/quart or making your sundae.

 :smokin:        :laugh:
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Emjay on November 15, 2018, 07:26:54 pm
We have a local ice-cream chain named Bruster's.

After you give them your card before you sign, you are given the option to add a 20%, 15% or 10% tip to your purchase.

This is before the cashier becomes the person handpacking your pint/quart or making your sundae.

 :smokin:        :laugh:

Annoying but you have the freedom to get your ice cream elsewhere.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: jmyrlefuller on November 15, 2018, 08:12:44 pm
And a fourth thing; I don't think the government can force one company to pay a certain amount to their employees.  It cannot be done.

The only possibility would be to pass an across the board minimum wage and that would be a disaster for all the reasons noted above.
They can try doing what New York is doing with fast-food joints: require certain companies that meet criteria like number of employees and field of commerce pay more than the minimum.

They can't target specific companies (that's unconstitutional), but they can craft legislation in such a way that only a certain company fits the requirements. These are mostly lawyers we're talking about here.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: DCPatriot on November 15, 2018, 08:18:53 pm
Annoying but you have the freedom to get your ice cream elsewhere.

Isn't at all.   Just commenting on the resourcefulness of the tool.

I was going to tip her anyway, but now I know there are no air pockets in my $11 per quart vanilla/orange sherbet creamcycle.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/brusters-real-ice-cream-gaithersburg (http://www.yelp.com/biz/brusters-real-ice-cream-gaithersburg)

Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: goodwithagun on November 15, 2018, 08:22:16 pm
Why not $50/hour? Hell, let’s make $100!
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Wingnut on November 15, 2018, 08:22:43 pm
Isn't at all.   Just commenting on the resourcefulness of the tool.

I was going to tip her anyway, but now I know there are no air pockets in my $11 per quart vanilla/orange sherbet creamcycle.

My 1st real job was as a "Hand Packer/Soda Jerk.  Its not as easy as it looks to get a good tight pack in those containers.  Takes practice.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: DCPatriot on November 15, 2018, 08:23:49 pm
My 1st real job was as a "Hand Packer/Soda Jerk.  Its not as easy as it looks to get a good tight pack in those containers.  Takes practice.

Exactly!

They're all college-aged kids, or high school kids.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 15, 2018, 08:26:33 pm
I don't know which is more funny. This absurd bill being introduced by two back bench clowns or people here have a serious discussion on an item of legislation that is going right into the dumpster the moment the ink is dry on the paper.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: DCPatriot on November 15, 2018, 08:32:45 pm
I don't know which is more funny. This absurd bill being introduced by two back bench clowns or people here have a serious discussion on an item of legislation that is going right into the dumpster the moment the ink is dry on the paper.

I tried computing what the cost of a typical dinner or drinks would become in a typical joint like Red Robin, where there's at least a dozen staff on duty.

The $10 cheesburger either gets smaller, or the price goes up at least 50%.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 15, 2018, 08:43:18 pm
I tried computing what the cost of a typical dinner or drinks would become in a typical joint like Red Robin, where there's at least a dozen staff on duty.

The $10 cheesburger either gets smaller, or the price goes up at least 50%.

Yeah, but the bottom line would be the same.......the meal would suck.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Wingnut on November 15, 2018, 08:45:42 pm
I tried computing what the cost of a typical dinner or drinks would become in a typical joint like Red Robin, where there's at least a dozen staff on duty.

The $10 cheesburger either gets smaller, or the price goes up at least 50%.

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/_pruyW2686QLfOBl3wp9QQ--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NzAwO2g9Mzkz/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/6de7894a1fa0986db53414fc0702cdf6)
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 15, 2018, 09:09:05 pm
Obastard said businesses that get in a pinch because of increasing Minimum Wage can just raise their prices to accommodate.  Easy peasy.  I believe the example he was making was pizza restaurants.  The logic, if you can call it that. is that all pizza places would have to raise prices, so nobody gets a competitive advantage.  I guess he never heard of chain restaurants
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: DCPatriot on November 15, 2018, 09:12:59 pm
Obastard said businesses that get in a pinch because of increasing Minimum Wage can just raise their prices to accommodate.  Easy peasy.  I believe the example he was making was pizza restaurants.  The logic, if you can call it that. is that all pizza places would have to raise prices, so nobody gets a competitive advantage.  I guess he never heard of chain restaurants

My brother owned and operated take-out pizza and submarine shops in Western NY.  Sent three boys to college and owns 3 homes.

He sold everything 2 years ago.   Why? 

Simply the price of cheese.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Sanguine on November 15, 2018, 09:15:54 pm
Yeah, but the bottom line would be the same.......the meal would suck.

What are you talking about, you heathen?  Red Robin is good food.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: DCPatriot on November 15, 2018, 09:18:05 pm
What are you talking about, you heathen?  Red Robin is good food.

Love the Bonzai Burgur with slices of pineapple and lite barbecue sauce.

Also the blue cheese black truffle 'special'
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: goodwithagun on November 15, 2018, 09:29:10 pm
I don't know which is more funny. This absurd bill being introduced by two back bench clowns or people here have a serious discussion on an item of legislation that is going right into the dumpster the moment the ink is dry on the paper.

Yeah, I started giggling at hand packer/soda jerk.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 15, 2018, 09:31:22 pm
My brother owned and operated take-out pizza and submarine shops in Western NY.  Sent three boys to college and owns 3 homes.

He sold everything 2 years ago.   Why? 

Simply the price of cheese.   :shrug:

Speaking of cheese, I found out in the last couple of years that Domino's, Pizza Hut and Papa Johns all started ordering their cheese from the same place years before.  That was about the time I asked myself, "Why do these guys suddenly suck so much?"  Now I know why.  Crappy cheese.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 15, 2018, 09:35:27 pm
Speaking of cheese, I found out in the last couple of years that Domino's, Pizza Hut and Papa Johns all started ordering their cheese from the same place years before.  That was about the time I asked myself, "Why do these guys suddenly suck so much?"  Now I know why.  Crappy cheese.

Speaking of sucking, I should get my septic tanks sucked out. They are not full of crappy cheese. Just regular crap.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: libertybele on November 15, 2018, 09:37:41 pm
Another overreach. But Congress had freely ignored the bounds of the Constitution for decades.

That was my very first thought.  How can Congress constitutionally create a bill to force a company to pay a specific dollar amount?  Walmart has the money.  IF indeed a bill is created, they need to take it all the way to the SCOTUS!  This is getting ridiculous.  Hopefully big $$ will wake up and start fighting back. Hello Bernie:  HINT:  If people don't like the wages being paid at Wally World, they don't have to work there!!!  What a freaking' socialist idiot.  Even more sad, are all the clowns who feel that just because Walmart has been a huge success that they are owed!    9999hair out0000 9999hair out0000 888mouth 888mouth
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Wingnut on November 15, 2018, 09:49:08 pm
Yeah, I started giggling at hand packer/soda jerk.

Get your mind out of the gutter!   :cool: 
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Wingnut on November 15, 2018, 09:52:37 pm
Speaking of sucking, I should get my septic tanks sucked out. They are not full of crappy cheese. Just regular crap.

When you're hit with an aroma that buckles your knees, and your property smells like prehistoric cheese, call us, we'll handle the problem with ease, before your neighbors keel over with each passing breeze."
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: goodwithagun on November 15, 2018, 10:49:00 pm
Get your mind out of the gutter!   :cool:

No  wink777
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: DCPatriot on November 15, 2018, 11:02:09 pm
Speaking of cheese, I found out in the last couple of years that Domino's, Pizza Hut and Papa Johns all started ordering their cheese from the same place years before.  That was about the time I asked myself, "Why do these guys suddenly suck so much?"  Now I know why.  Crappy cheese.

No joke, @Cyber Liberty

Went to visit him last year and he took me to his supplier where I bought grated Romano cheese that appeared as rice kernels.

Ate an entire bag over a week with a spoon.   Never met a teaspoon of sauce.

Did you know that Buffalo, NY is the junk food capital of the Western Hemisphere?   :laugh:

Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Dexter on November 16, 2018, 12:10:28 am
What are you talking about, you heathen?  Red Robin is good food.

Unlimited fries!
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 16, 2018, 12:54:19 am
Speaking of sucking, I should get my septic tanks sucked out. They are not full of crappy cheese. Just regular crap.

The Seller just finished doing that at the castle.  We're taking possession next week, with a nice clean septic tank.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on November 16, 2018, 02:02:32 am
Obastard said businesses that get in a pinch because of increasing Minimum Wage can just raise their prices to accommodate.  Easy peasy.  I believe the example he was making was pizza restaurants.  The logic, if you can call it that. is that all pizza places would have to raise prices, so nobody gets a competitive advantage.  I guess he never heard of chain restaurants

So, if I make enough money to buy a half a pizza per hour working at the pizza place, and then my wage goes up and the price of the pizza goes up, how much pizza will I be able to buy with an hour's wages?

But at least the government will take in more in taxes, and debasing the dollar reduces the debt in real terms, so I've got that going for me.
Title: Re: Sanders to introduce bill to force Walmart to pay $15 minimum wage
Post by: Fishrrman on November 16, 2018, 02:03:07 am
Legislation aimed at coercing action from a specific corporation (or person) is unconstitutional as "Bills of Attainder", is it not?

Article I, Section 9, paragraph 3:
"No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law will be passed."